Why Leica Monochrom?
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2021
- Leica makes two dedicated monochrome cameras - the M10 Monochrom and the Q2 Monochrom. These cameras shoot only in black and white. They have a few specific advantages over native color cameras.
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I told my wife a few years I absolutely would love to get the M10 Monochrome some day. She asked for the price 😬, and never spoke about it again 😂.
Your first mistake was asking.
My worst nightmare is that my partner will sell all my photography gear for what i told her i payed for it... 🤪
What’s the price?
@@marcokalle2452 lol
@@EDHBlvd lol first mistake was marriage
I always feel good when I see other “left eye” photographers. I always appreciate the content Ted thanks
Here's to the left eyed ;-) Thanks man…
Lefty here too. 👍
Same here :)
I didn't think that left eye was exclusive. I'm a lefty as well
My son is left eyed photographer.
For my 60th birthday, I treated myself to my first Leica, a Type 246 Monochrom. Best camera in my toolbox for the type of imagery that I enjoy.
Me too, but add 5 years😊
Thank you for this. I get asked all the time why I shoot with a dedicated B&W camera (M10M)...and instead of trying to explain it to them, I'm just going to send them this video because you've done a way better job at doing it than I ever could.
I picked up the Leica M 10 Monochrom myself a couple of weeks ago and I must admit, I am enjoying the process so much that I gifted my primary "colour" camera to a colleague of mine. I absolutely love how it makes one a better photographer, I just love how it forces one to think twice about the light. Highly recommended.
This is a masterpiece. I've eyed the Leica Q2 Monochrom quite a bit and am planning on renting it alongside the original Q2 to put to the test/make a few videos about. But yeah, love the way this video flowed, beautifully done!
Great vid, Ted. I like when you do these vids where you get into the art and approach. Your series on great photographers was a huge help to me. Thanks for that
Not seeing you talk straight into the camera as usual was a bit surprising, but I like the format nonetheless. And I loved the photos you chose to show us. Cheers! -Rick
I think this has been one of my favorite videos of yours in a long time. Very well thought out, beautiful, and concise. As much as I would love a monochrome camera I really can't justify it. I feel like higher detail and better sensitivity is not enough reason for me to spend that amount of money to have less options creatively - although I guess that is part of the appeal - it is our constraints we impose upon ourselves that inspire creativity. Creatively though... detail and sensitivity are low on my list of things I care about with photography (if a photo is compelling it can be noisy, low in detail and even not entirely in focus). Don't get me wrong though.... I would definitely get one if money was no issue. If you do have a limited budget and want to inspire creativity - or just want to work out whether you like thinking in B&W - I would advise anyone who has a mirrorless camera to change your settings so you can see the viewfinder and back screen in B&W. I am finding I do it more often these days and I think I am ending up with better compositions.
I was nervous dropping the money on a new Q2 Monochrome, but I had loved the original Q and was always curious about Leica’s monochrome cameras. I absolutely love it. I have a Leica orange filter and an b+w red filter that I change depending on my mood or how dark I want the sky in relation to the other parts of the frame. I love that the EVF forces me to see in monochrome and it makes composition easier. It takes some time to adapt to the new way of seeing, plenty of photos I might miss out on because they may only work in color, but that’s a trade off in more than happy to make. If color is necessary I can bring another camera along but I love monochrome.
I hope you will opt for either Leica Monochrome camera, we have had some difficult years and it’s ok to treat yourself.
@Bryan so having 2 Q series cameras, do you find the Q2M more satisfying than shooting on your Q in b/w mode or editing color images in Lightroom? Talk me out of buying another $6k point and shoot.
@@t.breeze8659 Its early and I haven’t had my coffee so allow me to ramble a bit…
If I told you that the Monochrome isn’t worth the money, that would be dishonest of me :) The shooting experience alone is wonderful knowing we are limited to black and white. The additional sharpness (although only slight) really is there. Something about the intentionality of using the filters is nice too. Of course, you can still adjust contrast during your edits but your exposure is essentially different altogether. Red filter for example are making the sky darker, closer to or maybe even darker than the elements in your frame that are not the sky. On a color camera it would be too bright if the dynamic range is too high (say shooting around mid day). The transition between tones is maybe the largest adventure that I none of us can get with a color to black and white conversion in post. ISO is also about a half a stop better than the Q3 color which I just got, and that had a more modern sensor. So a Q3 Monochrome would likely be 1 full stop better ISO than Q2 Monochrome and have slightly better autofocus.
Personally I wouldn’t wait though, just get what you like now because life is so short.
@@Bryan-lu4du I just came across your reply. Thanks for your thoughts. I already own a Q2. If Leica releases a Q3 monochrom, I’ll consider. The Q2 is the camera I reach for most often
The Q2 Monochrom rocks. I had one, sold it, and miss it dearly.
Blown away by how much I love the supermarket shot just after 1 min mark ... I've travelled all over to explore and capture and then something comes along to remind you that great pic opps are all around us
Ted as always nails it with carefully thought out discussion points, examples a plenty and sends us out to try out some of his ideas. Excellent thank you sir.
I have a 246 Monochrom and I'm still in love with it. It's such a stunning camera.
I really enjoyed the straightforward format showing lots of your b&w work. I've also used both the M10M and the Q2M and while the M10M has lower noise in high ISOs, there's something so fun about the Q system.
This is the most illuminating peace about Leica's monochrome cameras I ever came across. Thank you🙏
This is probably my favorite episode of yours so far. I’ve been shooting b&w about 90% of the time during my first 17 odd years in photography. However this calendar year I decided to challenge myself and for the first time dedicate all of my work to colour. This was extremely challenging at first but I eventually fell in love with FujiFilm’s film simulations, especially classic chrome. I’ve actually grown so attached to the X-T4 that is the first camera to curve my appetite for a Leica. However after viewing your video, I’m considering renting a monochrome Leica for a week to experience the image quality and overall performance for myself. Great video and very informative as always. Cheers!
Excellent video, Ted! A huge advantage of a mirrorless monochrome camera is the ability to see the B&W image in real time as one composes the shot. You've really got me thinking now.
When I see a new video from Ted pop up in my subscriptions in box, I feel a big smile come on my face as I know I’m in for a treat.
Beautiful photographs in this one. Amazing video as always Ted!
Hi Ted. I've been one of your many avid followers. I am glad you finally embraced using Leica. Thanks for the sharing all these years!
Man what a great video. The production value is on point here Ted!
I like this new inner monologue approach to the video!! Do it again!!! Lol. Also great content as usual. I’m trying to save enough money to get my hands on the Q2. Still up in the air in regards to if it’ll be the monochrom or color version and after seeing this I’m leaning towards monochrom 😁
I'm roughly a 95+% black and white shooter for over thirty years. I spotted the title on this video and initially avoided it feeling the last thing needed was another promotion of gear I can't afford. I'm glad your emphasis and fine examples had to do with the image making per se. I've been using an Olympus Pen F, set strictly on Monochrome setting with further settings established in camera. . . yellow filter, highlight and shadow 'S' curve setting, grain pattern (which like TriX is unique to each shot), etc. My post processing is at its barest minimum. I've been extremely satisfied with the results.
Thank you for this V.
My heart absolutely fell when I discovered the price. This is a beautiful camera.
@@chilecayenne $9000 USD (+ import, tax, etc...) for a non primary camera is quite unreasonable for me (to be spending). I can see about $2-4k USD, but that's my limit unless I'm getting a GFX 100. Photography is a hobby for me, intensive, but all the same, I'm not making money on it atm.
@@luckeycat_ I didn't pay nearly that much for my M10M, I paid LESS than $8K. NIB.
Where are you looking that they are that expensive? I bought mine almost a year ago, hard to imagine they increased in price that much.
I bought online, so, no sales tax added.
If you hunt and look, you can still get that deal at smaller places.
Hint: Don't look big box stores.
HTH
FYI, I bought a used GFX100 for $7K. From B&H used and I could not tell it had every been used. Maybe floor model.
I just save all the time and don't buy small crap...and drop coin on special things I really want from time to time.
I'm far from wealthy.
@@chilecayenne B&H, I live in Canada.
@@chilecayenne yes, that's the way to do it
It's good to see you back in what you do best!
Ted, just watched this as I travel back to Norfolk from San Francisco on Amtrak. I took the train both ways and the only camera I have with me is the M10M. The choice is a personal one, but for me I’m happy I took the leap.
I just love my M10M. No matter what camera I may want to shoot with on a given day, I take a least two and the M10M is always one of them!!
Im doing a cross-state Amtrak trip soon as well and my only camera will be an M9 with 35mm lens. Wish I had a monochrome, but this will do. Stoked!
Got my Q2M a few weeks ago an MAN is the image quality stunning. nothing I have ever seen before. I am in love :)
I've started a personal photography challenge where I regularly shoot and upload black and white 1:1 images, and what you said about the compositional effects monochrome has on photography rings astoundingly true. Taking black and white images is quite the thoughtful and enjoyable process!
Excellent video, as always.
Shoot Ilford HP5+, that will really teach you "the ropes". 😏
Some great classic photographs here, plus some modern classics from Ted! Great video.
Having purchased my Q2M just before the world turned surreal has been mentally nourishing. Add the easy menu setup, the confidence from the build quality and every picture, mundane or not puts a smile on my brain. I hope every photographer feels or gets to feel the same with their camera.
absolutely, YES! I used to convert most of my digital images to B&W - and always have BW rolls in my M2 - until i bought an M Monochrom (the original CCD sensor) a few years ago. Best decision I ever made when it comes to photography. Then about a year ago I made the worst decision and convinced myself that I "needed" a more versatile body, sold the MM and bought an SL. It is a wonderful piece of equipment and it takes fantastic photos, but i was missing the MM so much that I recently bought one again. It was like seeing an old friend after a long separation. I shoot with it most of the time now and reserve the SL for the rare occasions when I do need color images. I also even got a Sony RX1 converted to monochrome, instead of getting the excellent Q2M - which would have cost me WAY more....
I got the M10 Monochrom for my anniversary and I absolutely love it. I've been shooting a lot of the family events with it
Beautiful. Simply stunning images and design.
The new filming space is coming along /quite/ nicely. Outstanding.
I just recently picked up a used M Monochrom typ 246 for $3500 and it is in perfect condition. After questioning my sanity about buying a camera with a dedicated monochrome sensor I can honestly say it is exceeding my expectations. There really is something magical about seeing those files. Cheers!
😅👍
An artist can express the most with the finest tools. The finest tool cannot create art, it requires symbiosis. This tool, the M10 and Q2, are among the finest and most prolific.
There's a Leica store in my city. Whenever we get out of lockdown, it would be great to try these cameras out. I've long preferred black and white over colour, always shot black and white film and digital with monochrome presets. Didn't know that all cameras are technically monochrome. Very interesting video.
My “monochrome camera” is the Pen-F. With its mono/color dial you can choose ANY color B&W filter, in several intensities. I am currently experimenting with cyan and magenta B&W filters. With Olympus’ live view the EVF/LCD of the Pen-F instantly shows you the monochrome result as you dial in the filter color/intensity of your choice. So many options. With a monochrome-only camera you need to carry around a few pocketfuls of color filters of various intensities.
Greetings from 🇵🇰 Pakistan. i am long time canon and fuji shooter. Occasionally shoot sony a7III and on few occasions with my wife’s nikon too. However Q2 monochrom is my first leica. I really gave it a good thought as it is expensive. However you have exactly hit the nail on the head. The defining features are “higher sensitivity” and “ greater detail” . love it. I wish i could post few samples here. The are mind blowing for the two features you emphasized upon. Thanks for a great episode.
I rented the Leica Q2M for two weeks. It was a fantastic user experience. The sensor is amazing. The overall sharpness and level of detail is out of this world. The sensor has so little noise as well. I can't way that I would ever purchase the camera, but it is an amazing fun rental camera.
I doubt if I will ever afford a Leica but I do convert images to B&W fairly often so was interested in this video. Your comments on the problems introduced by the Bayer filter compared with a straight monochrome setup made me wonder about the use of Foveon sensors. They don't solve the problem of restrictions on ISO performance and limits on dynammic range but they do remove sme of the demosaicing issues.
As it happens I had a Sigma DP1 Merrill sitting in my cupboard that I purchased about 7 years ago, I have not used it much because of its limited dynamic range, but under ideal conditions it captures impressive images. Having wathed your video I dug it out and have tried a few monochrome images - initial results are encouraging so I have a new project to keep me amused: thanks!
By far the best review for the M10M and Q2M. 🙌👏👍
I keep watching these videos. Been eyeing the Leica Q2 monochrome for a while. Maybe some day.
Still shooting my M9Mono and loving it. This camera is fabulous.
Aside from the message this was a visually appealing video. Very inspiring.
I’ve been waiting for this for so long
A very compelling case for monochromatic cameras. As an old guy that shot Leica M in 1990, I also understand the fetish. I was mentally shooting down what I thought you would say before I watched it. Your delivery was well received! Now about the cost… I will have to pretend I have enough with a Nikon D850, Nikon Z6 and some amazing glass that I won’t start looking into Leica again. I also got some Fujifilm X to fill my street shooting gaps. I just cannot bring myself to spend that much money for such a one trick pony. But if I was a richer man, you have sold me.
Your videos are amazing. Thanks!
I have carried my M 246 everyday in the last 2 weeks and really enjoy my B&W just for what you have mentioned in your video with better terms! And yesterday, I went to my friend's place and decided to pick up M10D and I had several moment thinking " Dame that I have a colour camera today"..... and that was really weird reaction for me... and know I probably know why thanks Ted.
As an avid film shooter who sees in hp5 b&w, I support this video.
Great work, Ted. Love the vibe.
I concur. 👍
To include *_"B&W"_* in a conversation about photography you *must* be referring to film. With the exception of Solms/Wetzlar perversions all digital photography was captured in color and then comnverted.
Not too long ago (but then I'm an old geezer) I carried anywhere two cameras, one loaded with color film and the other with b&W, plus lenses and *dozens* of rolls. It was not until early this century that I could "make do" with shooting just color, and then scanning; although the conversion to B&W was hideous.
IMHO, yes, many digital images lend themselves to B&W rendition; the same way some drawings are better than watercolor. It takes, however, a trained brain to create in B&W; you need a Salgado, Erwitt, Winnogrand, Bresson or Maier for it. Most folks don't.
While the topic of this video are specifically about the Leica Monochrom cameras, your three points at the beginning resonate with me. I will sometimes set my in-camera previews to a black and white setting despite shooting raw on a color sensor (Fuji X-Trans in my case). Now I'm thinking about doing it more often, just to see what kind of an effect it has on my photography.
I was born in 1965 in Kuwait, and during my high school years, I was able to shoot a roll of B&W. It wasn’t easy to buy B&W film or have it developed, especially with my allowance. I also remember I had difficulty selecting the correct color filter that made certain colors become more obvious on a B&W film. It was fun, but not easy to control all the variable (for me). So, I stayed with color & now digital color 😊
With an understanding of the whole idea behind the Leica Monochrom cameras, it was amazing to see your example images as even the ISO 100,000 image had grain that was actually somewhat *desirable* rather than unpleasant. Beautiful stuff.
Love my M10M. I’ve never been so excited about a camera. For dynamic range and low light performance, it’s hard to beat. M10M and a 50 1.4 Summilux are a match made in heaven. ❤
I sincerely wish Fuji would release something like these cameras.
Same here, but until then the guy who runs FujiXWeekly gives you some great film recipes and when using that setting you see in B&W in the viewfinder/sensor
Why not just shoot Acros or Mono film simulations?
GFX Mono will arrive soon
@@ronmasters751 Same reasons that Ted mentioned in the video, only in a smaller and more affordable package.
@@MikeKleinsteuber Personally I'd be more interested in an APS-C version of it. The smaller form factor and the price would definitely be more appealing than a GFX medium format camera.
I always defer to Ralph Gibson, when asked if he likes color or black and white, said "I prefer to work in all three." Love the even-keel feel of your narration, and the pared-down minimal feel of your home or studio. Appreciate your comparison of the M-10 in color to the same scene with the Monochrom.
I have a Leica M4 film camera and I have forty + years shooting black and white film. Professionally I mainly shoot with a range of Sony cameras. I converted my Sony A7rII to a monochrome camera and the results are just incredible. I know it’s not the build quality of the Leica Monochromes but I’m incredibly pleased with the results.
Amazing video Ted! Not only because of the Leica review, your thoughts are really valuable and concise. I'll try to stick with B&W during the upcoming days!
I could not agree more. There’s something dreamy and otherworldly about monochrome that grabs my eye more than color. I even love classic black and white movies. I am so tempted to get a Monochrom Q2 or M10.
I own a Q2 monochrome and love it. The price tag is an ouch but I do feel this is a Leica I can justify. Yes it’s very specific but as you mentioned the sensor, low light capabilities and clarity are amazing. Additionally the fixed lens is a superb one and the macro ring floats my boat. I agree there is a bit of a learning curve to get good contrast right out of the camera but that isn’t a hindrance. I strongly recommend if you have a real love for monochrome images.
Great video and great photography, Ted. The monochrome sensor is the only reason I would accept the boundaries of the Leica M system. The prices are ridiculous though, so I wait for other manufacturers (Fuji maybe) to include such a sensor into a modern day camera.
Great, truthful video. Beautiful work.
Kudos for not just extolling their virtues because you owned one/them. I couldn"t help but think as you described them why film cameras are so great for that purpose - the forcing to make you think - is the image is going to be truly how I want it, knowing that the next time you look at the scene again is sometime later, after the film has been developed.
I own the M10 Monochrome and honestly speaking that camera ignited my Love for photography like never before and it by far my favorite camera of all time - it is tough to deal with but once you nail it you will fall in love with it everyday - For anyone reading this if you are a wide angle shooter guy/girl (28mm) Q2M is a beast of camera for what it offers and ISO performance is head to head with the M10M with the fraction of the price.
My love for photography was ignited by a Kodak Brownie Six-20 that I had to wrench from my money conscious father as a Xmas gift in 1958 at age 12.
I'd recommend buying a Holga, or a Leica M2, used Rolleiflex F or Nikon FM2 and shoot some Tri-X with them; then you will really get to *love* photography.
For a fraction of the price (plus some times the *thinking* and effort) you will get a real accomplishment hard-on. Needed gear won't break anyone's piggy (a lightproof bag, developing tank and film scanner) or I will swap you my pro darkroom worth twice the price of an M10M for yours.
Actually, go the Garry Winnogrand way, get yourself a M4 and a 21mm, tons of film and leave them for your heirs to curate. [ROTFL] 🤣
Okay! Let me see where to turn off color in my Z6 😁 Thanks for video mate Really inspires!
Ted, great video. And really nice photos of yours ☺️
I love black an white. Wish I could afford a Leica monochrome
Really interesting take. Intelligent as always. Thank you.
Great video. So informative and engaging. Cheers
Some gorgeous images there Ted! The Leica monochrome cameras have always been out of my reach. I like to think I have the poverty version though, an old Pentax K-01 mirrorless that lives in "B&W mode" and 50mm f1.2. Image "quality" is no where near the Leica setup but I still have a B&W EVF image to get me thinking about light more then I just process the colour RAWs as I see fit. No higher detail and better sensitivity for me but lots of fun haha! :)
Great video as always. There are many of us that highly prefer B&W for the reasons you mention. My love came from an extremely failed attempt with B&W. I photographed a band in a park back in the 70’s. The outdoor stage had back drop of concrete painted very light blue, and the stage itself was just bare concrete. Simply put, there was very very little contrast in the scene anyway. That, along with my very limited knowledge of shooting B&W I was extremely disappointed. So I went on a mission of going to the Library, and camera stores (remember those?) reading everything I could find on the Art of B&W photography. And from that, a life long love of B&W developed. I am hoping for a Fuji monochrome camera in the future, I love the Leica cameras…..but my wallet does not.
Thanks for the great videos.
Oh wow, very interesting Ted Forbes! Who would of thought that after Digital there will be more things to consider. Thanks for all you share in this wonderful Channel!
Some really beautiful images shared
Wow!!!! Thank you for sharing this video I am a fan of the Leica q. I love my QP!
Fantastic video, as always
I'd love to shoot with a monochrom camera one day. I might never actually purchase one, but I believe the experience is going to be great. I sometimes use my A7C with b+w creative style on, and pair it with the zeiss loxia 50 for a simulated 50mm, full manual, b+w range finder experience. It's so much fun to use, especially on the streets.
I have an M10M. This year has pretty much been all monochrome - either film or digital. I've got so used to it that it's now hard to shoot in colour. I love colour, but I just love monochrome more.
Great video as always!
5:17 that is an incredible photo !!
Great, great tutorial video!
Thank you for this video, I really hope one day I can own one!
The price tags on these cameras makes my head spin, they are amazing though.
Very informative and helpful.
Absolutely fantastic.
Good vid again Ted.
As a child, in the sixties, i was only allowed B&W in my plastic box (126 Roll film and 12 exp.)
I did by choice shoot B&W by choice on my first SLR and I often switch the phone to B&W, just for fun.
Shoot B&W or Edit the colour files was something I battled with for a long time.
great photos, and I like B&W for lots of reasons. have no interest in a B&W only camera though
I think you might have just produced a better argument for buying either of these than Leica will. Beautifully done . 👍
Great video as always.
Hi Ted. I really like this format. I love the idea of a monochrome camera. As a Fuji Xpro3 and X100V shooter I would love an XPro M.
You don't need that; how large do you print for your exhibitions? The X-Pro3 and X100V with their 26mp sensors *and* conversion from RAW in ACR will give you better rendition than *_spending_* several thousand $$ in a camera that is only able of B&W. I guess you can get a Fuji medium format G for less and get better image quality.
I'm also into monochrome for the same reasons and it makes up easily more than 3/4 of the pictures I make. Mostly I shoot film, but the l_monochrome_d output of my Panasonic Lumix GX9 (rangefinder) doesn't look too shabby either ;)
The lack of filter is also why astronomical and industrial sensors and cameras also tend to stay B&W-native. I would love to pick up either of those. Glad to hear you can rent them - maybe I'll do just that.
I've shot with the Leica M Monochrome before, and the image is absolutely beautiful.
So much better than the conversions I get from a colored sensor like the Leica SL2 I have
Love this video format from you, but I'm going to have to stick with the XPro3 and Acros for now. 😉
Thanks for sharing this video. Monochrom certainly has its place, I probably shoot more monochrome than color. These digital monochrom cameras do look great, the downside is the cost. I shoot all of my black and white on Tri-X 400 film. There is nothing like pure monochrom images whether taken with film or a monochrom digital camera.
I like the pictures and sound.
I was skeptical until I bought the Q2 Monochrom. It’s a game changer!
I'm on your page when it comes to shooting black and white. I set my Olympus E-PL6 to monochrome for my B&W work.
You nailed it once more! There's nothing like it. People make fun of me because I keep using the original Henri that came out in 2012 but when they look at the output they stop laughing. I had a chance to test out the Q2 Monochrom and it's obviously better but the only downside to it in my opinion is the 28mm. I'd rather have a 35mm or even a 24mm instead. And the M10 Monochrom is too expensive for me and I can't justify it professionally. But once you've tasted it, that's all you want to drink. My hope is that Fuji will come up with a true monochrome later on cause I don't see anybody else going for this in the near future. Thanks for your videos and enjoy it!
I bought a Monochrom around August of 2020 (got my hands on a Leitz Wetzlar version!), I figured it'd be fun and I'd use it about half the time or so. No, it soon absolutely dominated my workflow. Paired with something like their classic lenses, especially the vignetting of the f1.2 Nocti or the f5.6 Summaron the results are gorgeous.
What’s the difference between a normal Leica and a “ Leitz Wetzlar version” ? Leicas are out of my comfort zone price wise so I don’t know the in and outs of the Leica line.
@@nurd45 They were a limited run (650 units) that had the old logo from the early 1930's ish on the top. Other than that, there was no difference, not even in price. I saved/budgeted for one, threw my name on a waitlist and hoped. They've done other such limited paint jobs, and will do again. Some are one offs and unique (such as the Lenny Kravitz cameras) others get revisited under new models (such as Leitz Wetzlar engravings or Safari editions) functionally though, they're always the same as the base camera.
Very good vid, danke. I love The Cameras. Take care.🇩🇪
Got my M10M only 2 weeks ago, just loving it! Its not perfect though, but it suits my style.
I love shooting sony with a bw profile turned on, it changes everything, even if you process in color later. But that... that's another level. Hope to get there some time.