Imagine my shock tuning into this and five hours in suddenly hearing myself be mentioned???? Thanks lol! That was surreal. ……That said I can’t believe the way y’all did my boy Dimitri SMH😤‼️‼️ He abandons revenge and craziness because it was never what he wanted-he says it was an obligation he felt he inherited from the dead! It’s born of empathy! And he returns from it! Because he! Was always! Himself! And just needed Rodrigue (the dead) to tell him they *don’t* want him to take revenge🫵 😭! Also Choops is based and 3H should be at the PEAK of S 3H maddening is the most fun gameplay experience ever smh 🗣‼️ that is all thank you goodnight
@@ninjakirby777 How so? 3h's maddening starts off overwhelmingly hard in the first 4 chapters, gets easier by the latter half of white clouds, before going off the rails in post-time skip and paralogues. A good, fair higherst difficulty, like engage or Cq, stays consistently hard but manageable throughout, and 3h did not do that.
@@Danitron904 what difficulty are you referring to for conq and engage? I’m assuming the highest one. As for why I think three houses is the most fair, because it has consistency. Between divine pulse and combat arts which increase accuracy it’s really unlikely you lose a map because you a map to randomly missing an attack you needed to hit at like 80% hitrate cause you can just use a combat art to boost that accuracy. I have however lost a map in conquest because Camilla missed an 80% hit and then after I reset she missed that same 80% hit on the same enemy causing me to have to reset the map again.
For anyone wondering what the average ratings out of 5 for each game were: Path of Radiance - 4.66 Radiant Dawn - 4.5 Blazing Blade - 4.33 Sacred Stones - 4 Genealogy of the Holy War - 3.83 Echoes: Shadows of Valentia - 3.83 Binding Blade - 3.66 Fates Conquest - 3.5 Thracia 776 - 3.33 Three Houses - 3.16 Awakening - 3 Engage - 2.83 Mystery of the Emblem - 2.66 New Mystery of the Emblem - 2.66 Shadow Dragon - 2.33 Gaiden - 2.2 Fates Birthright - 2 Shadow Dragon & The Blade of Light - 1.8 Fates Revelation - 1.6
This entire video really shocked me, excluding PoR being the top pick. But the 2-4 spots were a surprise. And the fact that Echoes scored higher than 3 Houses is also kinda crazy.
Haven't watched yet, but the original version of this tier list back in 2019 was one of the big inspirations and motivators in me creating my own FE content. Love that there is a new version, and love that you didn't hold back on the length. Can't wait to watch this.
Im just wondering why Choops wierd expertise graph has 1/5 Presentation when in every stream he DOESNT SHUT UP about game music, for like 2 hours a night. That Yamaha XG Midi is half his personality.
I think Awakening did have good supports past the C convo for most characters and there were a few good C conversations for some characters, like when Panne talks to Olivia or when Tharja is paired with Libra. Even Robin becomes a much more interesting person the more supports you unlock with them and some of them are actually different depending on Robin's gender and the other character.
Chrom and Sully is one of my favorites. The tomboy and the royal who have known each other since childhood, the tomboy working so hard to keep up puts her at odds of wanting to be seen as equal to the men but still wanting to be seen as a lady, and Chrom loving her for exactly who she is. They don't produce the best children in terms of gameplay, but their supports are fantastic too. Lucina and Kjelle both trying to build bonds with their parents is great. I'm just a sucker for opposites attracting. Like having meathead Vaike and genius Miriel finding love and listening to them talk about their same feelings in such different ways is great.
2:20:18 the reason to not grind every unit to max level in the tower of valni is because it's uninteresting over a large span of time. Take dark souls for example, literally ubiquitous for difficulty and challenge in games and you can literally grind as much exp as you want. Nobody does it because it is a gross waste of time. I think the tower of valni works in the same way; players can balance the mode by simply deciding that its not fun or interesting and is just there to get people through the game in a pinch or for super dedicated players.
As far as I’m concerned all Tower of Valni does is let you get characters like Amelia or Ewan to a usable state without having to burden yourself across multiple maps finding spare kills for them. In every other game they would be insta-benched without a second thought - Tower of Valni just means you have a few more options at the cost of only a little time.
Engage's gameplay is fun. The artstyle is trash, the characters are trash, the story is possibly the worst in the series in terms of how little I cared about it. Outside of the Faraway Holyland theme which is amazing, the rest of the music isn't all that good.
A lot of Engage's original OST is middle-ish of the road regrettably, but I'm gonna just drop a short list of my fave tracks which I do consider bangers: - Tear Streaked (Ice) - Unshaken Royal Confidence (Might) - Bloom in the Breeze (Blossom) - Bright, Bold Sandstorm (Fiery) [basically the version without the HEY HEY]
Engage's OST goes hard in my opinion. In fact, I like it more than the OST of three houses for a variety of reasons. The opening theme is undeniably terrible though. Final map theme isn’t great either. At least both these tracks only play once.
No one hates fire emblem games as much as fire emblem fans lol, don’t get me wrong I enjoyed the video but ouch this got brutal at some points. For someone just coming into the series it almost sounds like you just shouldn’t bother lol
Fun video! Enjoyed the watch. Surprised to see everyone liked Tellius so much. Ive played all the games and those were my least favorite (outside of playing fe1-3 over their remakes)
HOLY CRAP THE LONG AWAITED SEQUEL. I listened to the ultimate tier list like multiple times. Even fell asleep to it once. Looking forward to what changes in this list.
I'm so happy we got another one. I watched the original so many times despite being so long. It's a shame bismix isn't here this time, but I'll live with it.
Withholding like for Radiant Dawn, that shite. What almost salvages the effort is the universal placid face for FE13. It's different, alright, but people who play a lot of Fire Emblem besides definitely notice what's missing.
Conquest was not that funny, as they pointed out, the script was insufferable with only 3 or so funny moments. That's not enough, Engage just has slightly higher lows than Fates.
@@マリー-v4p Nah, the story and characters suck too bad. It drags it down to B tier. It's really not as funny as you're hyping it up to be. It's a mediocre story with a few funny moments scattered thoroughout. Camilla really isn't funny either.
FE1 is WAY better balanced than Shadow Dragon, thank you for bringing it up. I like iron manning it because late joiners like Samson and Arran are actually really good - they may not be the best but they pull their weight.
Who could have guessed that BylethsBoba with a Byleth Pfp would love 3H?!?! Really depends what you value in a Fe game. Fe6 has a better gameplay flow imo.
@@BylethsBoba776 I can get behind that take. I only played Golden deer and couldn't click with the game. Man I've been recently rereplaying Fe4 and it's so Goated.
Glad to listen to 5 idiots and (you decide 😈) discuss Fire Emblem. At the very least, I can wholeheartedly agree with S-tier. In regards to Engage's story, one thing I think that may have helped is if they had made each of the Four Hounds a rival to one of the four crown lords. Ivy and Zephia is the obvious choice, with Ivy running away from the kingdom worshipping Zephia's master, providing the latter opportunities to pester her about it. Alfred vs Mauvier has the two "knightly" characters pitted against each other, Timerra vs Marni has the two more jovial characters fighting, and I could see Griss viewing Diamant as a strong opponent (I'd also rewrite Griss to have his masochism come from the shounen trope of characters who just enjoy fighting, and make him a Martial Monk with a personal skill boosting his damage with gauntlets). It also matches up pretty well with the unit types--flying women, cavalry guys, and the foot-based girls and guys.
I tried giving Echoes a chance, but just like Engage, I couldn't beat it. I just eventually reached a wall where I got bored/disinterested and I set it down and... I never found myself completing it. I tried 3 times I believe, so I did give it a shot. With my backlog of games, I can't justify playing a game that I'm just not enjoying.
I think moving forward, there should be a highlight indicator on who is speaking. I get lost with who is speaking. I don't listen to ALL these creators, but showcasing each one's opinion is great. I just think it's hard to follow who is speaking without being familiar with all their content. Thanks for the video. Very entertaining.
This has some really funny commentary, I loved watching and listening to both lists! Looking at both, it seems just like this list was a bit more positive than the last, which was neat to see. HEY! HEY!
I was instructed to leave a comment saying Choops is "based" which I'm assuming it's what the zoomers mean when you're really really adept at bass clarinet
Just 1 thing about Three Houses: I don't know wtf you all been doing, but fishing is absolutely not necessary in any way lol. Havent touched the thing since my first playthrough aside from the flayn tournament thing.
It's still present in the game which we all played and are reviewing. It undermines an otherwise really well-thought-out and fun mechanic, that being professor points. I think there's merit to discussing how these choices realistically affect player decision-making and mechanical relevance as opposed to dismissing them because you, specifically, chose to actively avoid them. This is why, "it's optional" is such a nothingburger argument. It can be applied to legitimately any aspect of a game. "i dont like ranged hit penalties." ok well you dont have to use bows. "i dont like divine pulse." ok well you dont have to push that button on your controller. "i dont like the story." ok you can skip the cutscenes. "i dont like the music in the game." ok well you can mute your tv.
@@pepeelghetto1231 Managing professor points is legitiamtely half of the the strategy of this game. It's system that is constantly encouraging and rewarding the player for managing this finite resource, and youre trying to tell me that an infinitate, farmable supply present within that economy isn't a flaw? That is what I would call "literal" nonsense.
@@pepeelghetto1231 perhaps... but what's wrong with saying, "i wish this minuscule thing could be improved, because it's the one flaw in an otherwise awesome system is NEARLY perfect for people such as myself who love working within concrete rulesets?" and tbf i get the positives of having the option to tap into an infinite amount of prof points, like if youre just about to level your it can top you off. I'm just saying you can do that and still have a system that doesn't undermine integrity the concept. it just requires a little more consideration then, "if you dont like it, just ignore it."
I mean this so seriously, I could listen to you 6 talk about the FE games for like 15 more hours. You should absolutely make this a tradition every tike a new FE game comes out, and I wouldn't mind if you did an FE spinoff tier list either.
Its funny that if genealogy and echoes move up one tier its a perfect balance on the chart. As long as both tellius games are s tier I'm a happy camper bc the other games I can feel different about on different days. Also it was extremely funny seeing the reveal for the smileys on awakening. Just all straight mids (aside from choops abstaining)
That "Oh if I have the option to grind why wouldn't I do it" argument for Sacred Stones is so god awful. What about all of the other games that have options for grinding? What about the games with arenas (Most of them) or games where you can just buy a bunch of stat boosters from secret shops, throw them onto the strongest character, and just steamroll the game with them? And solely for this one reason, the game is bad apparently, just ignoring everything else. Wouldn't wanna see this guy play a game that has the ability to grind
I think three houses could have been path of radiance level if they took the base system from that game and implemented it like that(at least for part 2)
Okay i made it to the end. Seems like you guys had a great time making this video and that's what matters the most *Every generic support ever* 2 things to add: 1.) EY EY EY EY! 2.) I agree
There's no ranking system in Sacred Stones, when you clear the Tower or Ruins there's a Combat Record, turns taken, exp gained, etc but it doesn't assign a rank.
YOOO LETS GOO I am honestly a very casual Fire Emblem fan and haven't played a majority of the titles, but I really enjoyed listening to everyone's opinions and passion for the franchise! Ty for the video and for all the hard work
I feel like you guys hate or stress a bit doing these long format videos but I’d love more where like 3+ of you just talk about shit for like an hour or two
Really fun tier list to watch, loved how you guys rated them with the emotes!. However there was one point that was brought up that i heavily disagree with. While i think FE7 is a pretty good game, I do not think it is a good "Introductory game" to the series, in fact i'd say it is probably one of the worst introductory/beginner games. it probably was a great introduction at the time it came out, however, i just don't think this is the case anymore. The main goal of an introductory game isn't to teach the player how to play. Rather the main goal should be to hook them, and make them interrested in trying out more games in the series. New players, especially if they are fans of other JRPGs, do not care about Map design, Side objectives, Varied map objectives, Economy, replay value ect. These things will NOT hook or impress a new player, who have no idea what a "good" map even means. What these people actually care about is that the game has a Memorable story, Interresting characters, good world building, and have fun mechanics to play and experiment with. These people are not comparing it to other Fire Emblem games, what they are comparing it to are stuff like Chrono Trigger, Xenoblade, Persona 5 or Final Fantasy 7. When you look at FE7 from this perspective, i don't think it succeeds at all. FE7's story and characters are just painfully average, especially when you consider that so much of it is locked behind Hector mode and supports, which most new players will never experience. Having so much lore and story content locked behind second playtroughs and hard to get optional content is not very beginner friendly at all. In the gameplay aspect, FE7 is also a bit basic and boring. No skills, no promotion trees, and there aren't a lot of items or weapons with interresting effects. This leads to a ton of units just feeling the exact same, only really destinguished by their stats. Without a lot of fun or cool stuff to do with them. Don't get me wrong, FE7 is still a good game, some of its biggest strengths being in its good maps and great replay value. These are just strengths that doesn't lend itself to getting more beginners interrested to try the rest of the series. Games like FE4, FE9, Echoes, or even Three Houses are imo way better introduction games. They have stronger stories and characters, and a lot more fun stuff to play around with in their gameplay. For myself, the first two games i played was Awakening and FE7, which was two of the most reccommended games for beginners at the time. I had already played a decent chunk of RPGs before this, like Bravely Default, Golden Sun, Xenoblade, SMT3 and 4, Persona 2, 3 and 4, and most importantly Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. Both Awakening and FE7 left me quite dissapointed. Awakening had a mess of a story, while FE7 was just average all around, especially when i compared it to FFTA. I couldn't see what people saw in Fire Emblem, and was content that the series in general just wasn't for me. A couple of years after i decided that i wanted to give the series one final chance, so i searched up which game was considered to have the best story, and decided to try out FE4. I fell in love with FE4, its grand and epic story, fun skill system and broken legendary weapons sucked me right in, and is the reason why i am a Fire Emblem fan today.
The gameplay was extremely bad and had some of the worst mechanics and maps. It is also one of the ugliest games ever released which most three houses fans even admit. The story and characters are mid but that's more subjective. I'll give you music and voice acting tho.
Three house already have perfect story If three house don't have time limit like Persona give us more freedom and have good gameplay It could have been perfect
4.27.30 what bopper says here was so true for me, only i didnt finish the game out of obligation, I stopped playing for a few months and then started a new file. Played on that file until eventually the same thing happened again. Both times on the lumera map, literally just before the finish line. Then only about two months ago I made a new file and actually beat the game this time. Cant say I love engage but it has one of the best mid-game sections of all the fire emblems
The point during the Awakening section, where the debate was as to if FE13's success was from advertising or from relative game selection, here's what I'll add. I'd been an Ike main in Smash for a while, was interested in FE, but not enough to seek it out. One day I was messing around on my 3DS, and I saw the demo for Awakening. Played it, had fun, but sadly never bought the game (No $). I don't remember if I knew of Awakening, and if so, how much, but the Awakening demo was my first FE. At this point, I've played Birthright + Conquest, Shadows, 3H, and Engage, I desperately need to go back and finish the series as a whole. At one point I had all the ROMs saved and ready for when I homebrewed my Switch too...
Any list spawned from 5 hours of discussion is inherently going to be over discussed to the point where nobody should take it seriously, but it will be interesting to see other people's opinions of each game. I will probably make my own list on the side as I chip away at this vid over the next two months.
Imagine my shock tuning into this and five hours in suddenly hearing myself be mentioned???? Thanks lol! That was surreal.
……That said I can’t believe the way y’all did my boy Dimitri SMH😤‼️‼️ He abandons revenge and craziness because it was never what he wanted-he says it was an obligation he felt he inherited from the dead! It’s born of empathy! And he returns from it! Because he! Was always! Himself! And just needed Rodrigue (the dead) to tell him they *don’t* want him to take revenge🫵 😭! Also Choops is based and 3H should be at the PEAK of S 3H maddening is the most fun gameplay experience ever smh 🗣‼️ that is all thank you goodnight
With all due respect, what do you find in Maddening 3h to be so fun?
I am finding the gameplay abysmal.
@@Danitron904it feels more fair compared to other hardest difficulties in other games imo.
@@ninjakirby777
How so?
3h's maddening starts off overwhelmingly hard in the first 4 chapters, gets easier by the latter half of white clouds, before going off the rails in post-time skip and paralogues.
A good, fair higherst difficulty, like engage or Cq, stays consistently hard but manageable throughout, and 3h did not do that.
Pinning this so people can check out your Engage Critique! Going to ignore everything you said below that and just smile :)
@@Danitron904 what difficulty are you referring to for conq and engage? I’m assuming the highest one.
As for why I think three houses is the most fair, because it has consistency. Between divine pulse and combat arts which increase accuracy it’s really unlikely you lose a map because you a map to randomly missing an attack you needed to hit at like 80% hitrate cause you can just use a combat art to boost that accuracy. I have however lost a map in conquest because Camilla missed an 80% hit and then after I reset she missed that same 80% hit on the same enemy causing me to have to reset the map again.
This tier list
This F is for you bismix
Man did not recieve an invitation in his mail box 😞
F
Definitely is list of Tiers tho.
@@lspuria8440He 100% received an invitation, he told me to take a hike.
Its ok biz. They put tellius in S tier where it belongs. Our job is done.
@@SpeedyHawk so you played Genealogy to simulate the hike got it.
@@SpeedyHawk in a polite way I hope 😂
For anyone wondering what the average ratings out of 5 for each game were:
Path of Radiance - 4.66
Radiant Dawn - 4.5
Blazing Blade - 4.33
Sacred Stones - 4
Genealogy of the Holy War - 3.83
Echoes: Shadows of Valentia - 3.83
Binding Blade - 3.66
Fates Conquest - 3.5
Thracia 776 - 3.33
Three Houses - 3.16
Awakening - 3
Engage - 2.83
Mystery of the Emblem - 2.66
New Mystery of the Emblem - 2.66
Shadow Dragon - 2.33
Gaiden - 2.2
Fates Birthright - 2
Shadow Dragon & The Blade of Light - 1.8
Fates Revelation - 1.6
This entire video really shocked me, excluding PoR being the top pick. But the 2-4 spots were a surprise. And the fact that Echoes scored higher than 3 Houses is also kinda crazy.
I adore the little smileys. It such a nice way to portrait how everyone is feeling about a certain game before the discussion starts.
Thank you, I'm glad you like them!
This tier list sucks
This video has made me realise a 5 man co-op with this group would be crazy
I am unfathomably hyped for Bopper v. Choops on Sacred Stones. I’ve been waiting years for this.
Edit: Did not expect the "9/11" of Fire Emblem
Tellius continues to win 😎
This has been in the making for so long that it starts with 'Engage came out this year'
Haven't watched yet, but the original version of this tier list back in 2019 was one of the big inspirations and motivators in me creating my own FE content. Love that there is a new version, and love that you didn't hold back on the length. Can't wait to watch this.
I'm glad the original could inspire you to make FE videos :)
Im just wondering why Choops wierd expertise graph has 1/5 Presentation when in every stream he DOESNT SHUT UP about game music, for like 2 hours a night.
That Yamaha XG Midi is half his personality.
We filled out the "Value Charts" ourselves, his words not mine hahaha
"thats mid-tier story analysis" SO TRUE.... we need literary criticism
this tierlist is a kindof whorish, no?
I agree
i am not joking, this is the sickest fire emblem crossover ever
Doesn't matter Uncle Speedy, Pokemon Conquest is S tier
i agree
If you think im just gonna sit down and watch a 5 hour tier list video about fire emblem you're absolutely right
The coping about fe6 was hardcore. Everyone mentioned and agreed upon all the terrible things about it and the rankings were neutral lol
So you're never gonna complain about Hbomberguy's 4 hour long videos again, right?
Correct.
Tellius supremacy
I think Awakening did have good supports past the C convo for most characters and there were a few good C conversations for some characters, like when Panne talks to Olivia or when Tharja is paired with Libra. Even Robin becomes a much more interesting person the more supports you unlock with them and some of them are actually different depending on Robin's gender and the other character.
Chrom and Sully is one of my favorites. The tomboy and the royal who have known each other since childhood, the tomboy working so hard to keep up puts her at odds of wanting to be seen as equal to the men but still wanting to be seen as a lady, and Chrom loving her for exactly who she is. They don't produce the best children in terms of gameplay, but their supports are fantastic too. Lucina and Kjelle both trying to build bonds with their parents is great.
I'm just a sucker for opposites attracting. Like having meathead Vaike and genius Miriel finding love and listening to them talk about their same feelings in such different ways is great.
Most of my favorites are in B tier, Echoes, Conquest, and Engage lol. PoR deserves S, but idk about Radiant Dawn.
wow bad tier list
edit: tellius and jugdral at the top 👌great tier list
no it isnt
@@Choops6969 this was my first impressions of the first 5 seconds of the tier list i will watch it soon and edit my comment after 😎
@@Choops6969 im excited to hear your thoughts on Sacred Stones 🙂
Super happy to see another fire emblem tier list!!💪 loved the last one
2:20:18 the reason to not grind every unit to max level in the tower of valni is because it's uninteresting over a large span of time. Take dark souls for example, literally ubiquitous for difficulty and challenge in games and you can literally grind as much exp as you want. Nobody does it because it is a gross waste of time. I think the tower of valni works in the same way; players can balance the mode by simply deciding that its not fun or interesting and is just there to get people through the game in a pinch or for super dedicated players.
As far as I’m concerned all Tower of Valni does is let you get characters like Amelia or Ewan to a usable state without having to burden yourself across multiple maps finding spare kills for them. In every other game they would be insta-benched without a second thought - Tower of Valni just means you have a few more options at the cost of only a little time.
Engage's gameplay is fun. The artstyle is trash, the characters are trash, the story is possibly the worst in the series in terms of how little I cared about it. Outside of the Faraway Holyland theme which is amazing, the rest of the music isn't all that good.
A lot of Engage's original OST is middle-ish of the road regrettably, but I'm gonna just drop a short list of my fave tracks which I do consider bangers:
- Tear Streaked (Ice)
- Unshaken Royal Confidence (Might)
- Bloom in the Breeze (Blossom)
- Bright, Bold Sandstorm (Fiery) [basically the version without the HEY HEY]
Engage's OST goes hard in my opinion. In fact, I like it more than the OST of three houses for a variety of reasons. The opening theme is undeniably terrible though. Final map theme isn’t great either. At least both these tracks only play once.
Thank you someone else that loves Bloom in the Breeze that theme is so underrated
Good to listen to while fishing in three houses 🎣
No one hates fire emblem games as much as fire emblem fans lol, don’t get me wrong I enjoyed the video but ouch this got brutal at some points. For someone just coming into the series it almost sounds like you just shouldn’t bother lol
Fun video! Enjoyed the watch.
Surprised to see everyone liked Tellius so much. Ive played all the games and those were my least favorite (outside of playing fe1-3 over their remakes)
HOLY CRAP THE LONG AWAITED SEQUEL. I listened to the ultimate tier list like multiple times. Even fell asleep to it once. Looking forward to what changes in this list.
4 and a 1/2 hours of bad takes 🥹. ITS PEAK FE CONTENT YOUR HONOR. NO ONE COULD DO IT BETTER THAN THESE 6. Thank you for the video speedy!
I'm so happy we got another one. I watched the original so many times despite being so long. It's a shame bismix isn't here this time, but I'll live with it.
Wish he was here!
Withholding like for Radiant Dawn, that shite.
What almost salvages the effort is the universal placid face for FE13. It's different, alright, but people who play a lot of Fire Emblem besides definitely notice what's missing.
What an amazing video, love to listen all these opinions, specially live for Bopper and Choops
And now... What do I have to look forward to?
I agree
Good video.
I think Engage’s story is worse because conquest’s is at least funny.
Conquest was not that funny, as they pointed out, the script was insufferable with only 3 or so funny moments. That's not enough, Engage just has slightly higher lows than Fates.
@@nuibaba280 nah conquest is funny. The mysterious dancer scene, rainbow sage, Camilla…
As an aside conquest also has great music and art direction, I think. That with the game play/maps pushes it to A imo.
@@マリー-v4p Nah, the story and characters suck too bad. It drags it down to B tier. It's really not as funny as you're hyping it up to be. It's a mediocre story with a few funny moments scattered thoroughout. Camilla really isn't funny either.
@@nuibaba280lmao ok
Congrats on finishing the video! I know you worked super super hard on it. It turned out great!
🙏
FE1 is WAY better balanced than Shadow Dragon, thank you for bringing it up. I like iron manning it because late joiners like Samson and Arran are actually really good - they may not be the best but they pull their weight.
I agree
Every FE game except Path of Radiance is B. I will not be taking questions at this time.
I'm glad we can all agree that the Tellius games are GOATed
Three houses being under Binding Blade is a joke, choops is a real one
Who could have guessed that BylethsBoba with a Byleth Pfp would love 3H?!?!
Really depends what you value in a Fe game. Fe6 has a better gameplay flow imo.
@@lspuria8440 tbh I don’t like the actual gameplay of 3H compared to Fe4, por, etc. Blue Lions hard carries 3H and without it, it’s a mid game
@@BylethsBoba776 I can get behind that take. I only played Golden deer and couldn't click with the game. Man I've been recently rereplaying Fe4 and it's so Goated.
@@lspuria8440 so true 🙏
Three houses was so enjoyable. I loved the different routes, it broke my heart fighting the friends from before, the story was very nice done.
I never thought I would agree with Choops
How the tables have turned
Arvis did nothing wroooooong
3:45:52 oop called out. Link what did we do. who hurt you? I though we were friends...
Glad to listen to 5 idiots and (you decide 😈) discuss Fire Emblem. At the very least, I can wholeheartedly agree with S-tier.
In regards to Engage's story, one thing I think that may have helped is if they had made each of the Four Hounds a rival to one of the four crown lords. Ivy and Zephia is the obvious choice, with Ivy running away from the kingdom worshipping Zephia's master, providing the latter opportunities to pester her about it. Alfred vs Mauvier has the two "knightly" characters pitted against each other, Timerra vs Marni has the two more jovial characters fighting, and I could see Griss viewing Diamant as a strong opponent (I'd also rewrite Griss to have his masochism come from the shounen trope of characters who just enjoy fighting, and make him a Martial Monk with a personal skill boosting his damage with gauntlets). It also matches up pretty well with the unit types--flying women, cavalry guys, and the foot-based girls and guys.
Crazy how radiant dawn got rated so high. It’s usually lower on most lists.
8:05 Linking7 says it's 2023 was this video made last year and uploaded now?
Yeah it was recorded in summer 2023 I think
@@clintwaki6936Yup! July 2023... I took my sweet time with this one.
I tried giving Echoes a chance, but just like Engage, I couldn't beat it. I just eventually reached a wall where I got bored/disinterested and I set it down and... I never found myself completing it. I tried 3 times I believe, so I did give it a shot. With my backlog of games, I can't justify playing a game that I'm just not enjoying.
I think moving forward, there should be a highlight indicator on who is speaking. I get lost with who is speaking. I don't listen to ALL these creators, but showcasing each one's opinion is great. I just think it's hard to follow who is speaking without being familiar with all their content. Thanks for the video. Very entertaining.
What ice cream?!
I NEED TO KNOW!!!!!
Conquest in the same tier as awakening
Wow
Tell me about it :(
IT'S HERE \o/
I agree
Really fun video, I just wish there was some indication on who was talking,
I agree
This has some really funny commentary, I loved watching and listening to both lists! Looking at both, it seems just like this list was a bit more positive than the last, which was neat to see.
HEY! HEY!
3 Houses S tier, absolutely unique and amazing.
3 houses isn't good man sorry
I was instructed to leave a comment saying Choops is "based" which I'm assuming it's what the zoomers mean when you're really really adept at bass clarinet
I have been waiting for this 🙏🙏
Thank you very much Moo, I hope you liked it!
Very nice, this is the best tier list ever
Just 1 thing about Three Houses: I don't know wtf you all been doing, but fishing is absolutely not necessary in any way lol. Havent touched the thing since my first playthrough aside from the flayn tournament thing.
It's still present in the game which we all played and are reviewing. It undermines an otherwise really well-thought-out and fun mechanic, that being professor points. I think there's merit to discussing how these choices realistically affect player decision-making and mechanical relevance as opposed to dismissing them because you, specifically, chose to actively avoid them. This is why, "it's optional" is such a nothingburger argument. It can be applied to legitimately any aspect of a game. "i dont like ranged hit penalties." ok well you dont have to use bows. "i dont like divine pulse." ok well you dont have to push that button on your controller. "i dont like the story." ok you can skip the cutscenes. "i dont like the music in the game." ok well you can mute your tv.
@@Choops6969 Literal nonsense, those are key mechanics and elements of the game, fishing is a minuscule thing in comparison and you know It.
@@pepeelghetto1231 Managing professor points is legitiamtely half of the the strategy of this game. It's system that is constantly encouraging and rewarding the player for managing this finite resource, and youre trying to tell me that an infinitate, farmable supply present within that economy isn't a flaw? That is what I would call "literal" nonsense.
@@Choops6969 About as miniscule a flaw as the n64 looking apples in the marketplace.
@@pepeelghetto1231 perhaps... but what's wrong with saying, "i wish this minuscule thing could be improved, because it's the one flaw in an otherwise awesome system is NEARLY perfect for people such as myself who love working within concrete rulesets?" and tbf i get the positives of having the option to tap into an infinite amount of prof points, like if youre just about to level your it can top you off. I'm just saying you can do that and still have a system that doesn't undermine integrity the concept. it just requires a little more consideration then, "if you dont like it, just ignore it."
I mean this so seriously, I could listen to you 6 talk about the FE games for like 15 more hours. You should absolutely make this a tradition every tike a new FE game comes out, and I wouldn't mind if you did an FE spinoff tier list either.
Mekkah's deadpan "WTF" at 1:50:43 made me burst out laughing so hard
Bright Sandstorm is great, are you guys crazy!?
Thank you for putting all the hours into this, Speedy! It was a great listen all the way through.
i really like this podcast cant wait for episode 2
Its funny that if genealogy and echoes move up one tier its a perfect balance on the chart. As long as both tellius games are s tier I'm a happy camper bc the other games I can feel different about on different days.
Also it was extremely funny seeing the reveal for the smileys on awakening. Just all straight mids (aside from choops abstaining)
choopi is based and deerpilled
I agree
Choops has the best opinions on FE 1
Too much FE1 erasure here. That game is fire and choops/bopper will always have the best opinions (except FE4, which is obviously top of S)
Feels bad that I haven't played the Telius games... I'm waiting for a remake. Not really wanting to emulate.
Respectable, hoping it does get that remake over FE4!
@@SpeedyHawk Fe 4 is my second favorite game in the franchise though 😅
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I just bought a copy of PoR 2 weeks ago for nearly $200. Should've gotten it for less than half before Covid.
Banger video! Although the comment about you and booper playing through the rev ironman dated the recording back between 7-8 months
I wish I knew which person is talking at each given time.
I love how astonished mekkah was with choops’ statement on the fe3 vs fe12 economy, it was so funny
I like shoveling snow irl and I tolerate it in revelation
Three houses should be higher
TELLIUS IS THE FCKIN GOAT LESSGOOOO
That "Oh if I have the option to grind why wouldn't I do it" argument for Sacred Stones is so god awful. What about all of the other games that have options for grinding? What about the games with arenas (Most of them) or games where you can just buy a bunch of stat boosters from secret shops, throw them onto the strongest character, and just steamroll the game with them? And solely for this one reason, the game is bad apparently, just ignoring everything else. Wouldn't wanna see this guy play a game that has the ability to grind
AgileFalcon would've put Geneology in S tier
I finally finished this and didn't know how accurate this comment would be with Choops saying put it in S and Speedy saying no.
2:55:46 well in theory fe3 was the first game to do this with the star shards, if someone holding them die they go to the convoy
I think three houses could have been path of radiance level if they took the base system from that game and implemented it like that(at least for part 2)
5 Based youtubers and Choops
5 chooplings and choops
choops is the most based one here
The guys sucks at analysing characters tho. He also acts like a 5 year old, which is why people like him I guess.
I, agree.@@mihaimercenarul7467
Okay i made it to the end. Seems like you guys had a great time making this video and that's what matters the most *Every generic support ever*
2 things to add:
1.) EY EY EY EY!
2.) I agree
Oh! It is actually real?!
Sandstorm sucks and Choops is right.
They should actually include Tear Ring and Berwick in these vids
Why did you not mention sommie during the engage portion? Very integral to the entire game, probably the best part of engage
Sommie was 100% mentioned as "a dog who shits gems"
Sommie completely clashes with the other animals in the game.
I firmly believe most people enjoy him ironically.
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He's not an animal though, he's the guardian spirit of the Somniel
And he's amazing and wonderful, very much unironically
There's no ranking system in Sacred Stones, when you clear the Tower or Ruins there's a Combat Record, turns taken, exp gained, etc but it doesn't assign a rank.
YOOO LETS GOO
I am honestly a very casual Fire Emblem fan and haven't played a majority of the titles, but I really enjoyed listening to everyone's opinions and passion for the franchise! Ty for the video and for all the hard work
"The cover sucks would you buy that?"
Yea, I sure did in middle school :S
I feel like you guys hate or stress a bit doing these long format videos but I’d love more where like 3+ of you just talk about shit for like an hour or two
Fantastic rankings. Radiant Dawn and Sacred Stones are my favorites for a reason. (Also enjoyed Shadows of Valentia more than I expected).
Really fun tier list to watch, loved how you guys rated them with the emotes!. However there was one point that was brought up that i heavily disagree with.
While i think FE7 is a pretty good game, I do not think it is a good "Introductory game" to the series, in fact i'd say it is probably one of the worst introductory/beginner games. it probably was a great introduction at the time it came out, however, i just don't think this is the case anymore.
The main goal of an introductory game isn't to teach the player how to play. Rather the main goal should be to hook them, and make them interrested in trying out more games in the series.
New players, especially if they are fans of other JRPGs, do not care about Map design, Side objectives, Varied map objectives, Economy, replay value ect. These things will NOT hook or impress a new player, who have no idea what a "good" map even means. What these people actually care about is that the game has a Memorable story, Interresting characters, good world building, and have fun mechanics to play and experiment with. These people are not comparing it to other Fire Emblem games, what they are comparing it to are stuff like Chrono Trigger, Xenoblade, Persona 5 or Final Fantasy 7.
When you look at FE7 from this perspective, i don't think it succeeds at all.
FE7's story and characters are just painfully average, especially when you consider that so much of it is locked behind Hector mode and supports, which most new players will never experience. Having so much lore and story content locked behind second playtroughs and hard to get optional content is not very beginner friendly at all.
In the gameplay aspect, FE7 is also a bit basic and boring. No skills, no promotion trees, and there aren't a lot of items or weapons with interresting effects. This leads to a ton of units just feeling the exact same, only really destinguished by their stats. Without a lot of fun or cool stuff to do with them.
Don't get me wrong, FE7 is still a good game, some of its biggest strengths being in its good maps and great replay value. These are just strengths that doesn't lend itself to getting more beginners interrested to try the rest of the series.
Games like FE4, FE9, Echoes, or even Three Houses are imo way better introduction games. They have stronger stories and characters, and a lot more fun stuff to play around with in their gameplay.
For myself, the first two games i played was Awakening and FE7, which was two of the most reccommended games for beginners at the time. I had already played a decent chunk of RPGs before this, like Bravely Default, Golden Sun, Xenoblade, SMT3 and 4, Persona 2, 3 and 4, and most importantly Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.
Both Awakening and FE7 left me quite dissapointed. Awakening had a mess of a story, while FE7 was just average all around, especially when i compared it to FFTA. I couldn't see what people saw in Fire Emblem, and was content that the series in general just wasn't for me.
A couple of years after i decided that i wanted to give the series one final chance, so i searched up which game was considered to have the best story, and decided to try out FE4. I fell in love with FE4, its grand and epic story, fun skill system and broken legendary weapons sucked me right in, and is the reason why i am a Fire Emblem fan today.
This is such a fantastic comment, thank you for this! You've honestly changed my mind
3 houses slander is astounding it has THE BEST CAST OF CHARACTERS BY FAR AND THE STORY AND MUSIC IS PEAK
Not the best, bit definetly top tier, loved three houses
The gameplay was extremely bad and had some of the worst mechanics and maps. It is also one of the ugliest games ever released which most three houses fans even admit. The story and characters are mid but that's more subjective. I'll give you music and voice acting tho.
@@SeveNStarSeveN stop the cap
Three house already have perfect story
If three house don't have time limit like Persona give us more freedom and have good gameplay
It could have been perfect
@@SeveNStarSeveN Thanks for the great description of Fire Emblem Engage
4.27.30 what bopper says here was so true for me, only i didnt finish the game out of obligation, I stopped playing for a few months and then started a new file. Played on that file until eventually the same thing happened again. Both times on the lumera map, literally just before the finish line. Then only about two months ago I made a new file and actually beat the game this time. Cant say I love engage but it has one of the best mid-game sections of all the fire emblems
I’m mostly fine with everything yall said about SoV, tho I still put it as my fav, tho I’m fine with the top of B
The point during the Awakening section, where the debate was as to if FE13's success was from advertising or from relative game selection, here's what I'll add. I'd been an Ike main in Smash for a while, was interested in FE, but not enough to seek it out. One day I was messing around on my 3DS, and I saw the demo for Awakening. Played it, had fun, but sadly never bought the game (No $). I don't remember if I knew of Awakening, and if so, how much, but the Awakening demo was my first FE. At this point, I've played Birthright + Conquest, Shadows, 3H, and Engage, I desperately need to go back and finish the series as a whole. At one point I had all the ROMs saved and ready for when I homebrewed my Switch too...
Any list spawned from 5 hours of discussion is inherently going to be over discussed to the point where nobody should take it seriously, but it will be interesting to see other people's opinions of each game. I will probably make my own list on the side as I chip away at this vid over the next two months.