No, Romanian is not the Dacian Language, it's from Latin
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2024
- Romanian is a Romance Language, built on Latin with a faint substrate of Dacian, a pre-Roman Language, and influence from Slavic, Turkic and Hungarian. Some, however, think this language is what gave birth to Latin and that through it, Romanian which they think is Dacian, gave birth to Rome itself. Which is not true. In this video you will see how this is easy to prove.
00:00 Beginning
00:43 Ages and Chapters
02:22 Stages of Latin
06:44 Oldest Texts
08:40 Imperial Frontier
09:45 10 Words
17:33 Easy to prove
18:06 East & West
20:19 Questions
The Dacian Language video: • The Dacian Language, a...
Join me on Patreon: / benllywelyn Be a member of the channel: / @benllywelyn
Buy Me a Coffee www.buymeacoffee.com/benllywelyA Business enquiries: ben.llywelyn@gmail.com
Equipment: Canon2000D: amzn.to/3ndGZep Rode VideoMic Pro Plus camera microphone amzn.to/3uvkRjq Osmo Ambitful tube lights: amzn.to/3lJkZel amzn.to/3OJgwEs DJI Action 2 amzn.to/3qPP7Y6
Credits / Credydau
Music. uppbeat.io
RUclips CC video
Praenesta Fibula By Pax:Vobiscum - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...
Simeon Netchev, map www.worldhistory.org/image/15...
Imperial Frontier By Cplakidas - Own work based on:Geophysical map taken from DEMIS Mapserver, which are public domain, other wise self-made. CC BY-SA 3.0, commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...
You concentrate on the textbook Romanian, Romanian has formal written and informal spoken (a classic and vulgar of some sorts). My grandmother had only 4 school years made, and in Russian language not Romanian, but she spoke the most beauty full Romanian, closer to Italian than textbook Romanian. She learned form speech generation to generation, they were farmers with no education.
For example r-textbook-"transpirație/perspirație" grandma-"sudoare" italian-"sudorazione", r-textbook-"strecurătoare/sită" grandma-"setcă" in italian-"setaccio", grandma-"flanea" french-"flanelle". And she used words like "tunică".
Glad you had exposure to a rich heritage.
Thanks. You are a great person and I love your content.@@BenLlywelyn
@@Alex-hz2xg I see an adoption of people for the word "sigur" or other frases instead of "da" when possible, this and the fact that in 6th year of university you start to surround yourself with people that talk differently, more polite.
There are also opinions that "da" would come from the late Latin language, from the word "ita": ita>ida>da. (K.A.Massey).
@@Alex-hz2xg You also use .....ora doi , care nu are sens gramatical...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"strecuratoare", "sita" and "setca" are three different things :). also, "strecuratoare" and "sita" are definitely not "textbook" words.
Also "to eat" in Romanian can also be "a păpa". The same is found in Sardinian where "to eat" is "pappare".
In Transylvania we also can say "(i)e" (pronounced "yeah") for "yes", from "este" (pronounced yea-ste) meaning "it is so". The same "ie" can be found in Sardinian for "yes". Another way to say "it is so" is "Aşa e!" or "Aşa-i" again the 'e' and 'i' from 'este' (yes-te)
Interesting link with Sardinian.
@@BenLlywelyn "Ie" might be a borrowing from the once large Transylvanian Saxon community. In Hungarian, we say 'igen' for yes, but 'ja' is often used informally, a German word obviously. Many also say Muter and Fater for Mom and Dad.
The romanian-sardinian link is quite fat.
There are very similar words in both languages that can only be found in sardinian and romanian like 'limba' 'apa/aba' 'pisica/pisicu' 'cap' 'beciu/beci' etc. This words seems to be pre-roman, indo-european probably.
I've never heard in Transylvania "ie" (pronounced "yeah") for "yes". But we sometimes say "e" pronounced as the French "è" (e-grave) to express an affirmation.
@@razvanbarascu4007 1. Latin is an Indo-European language; 2. there is a similar phonetical in some contexts evolution but not in all words, evolution from Latin, not from another language 3. Some Catalan words evolved the same as words from Romanian and have the same spelling, (e.g. cap, ou, bou, foc)but they came from Latin, too 4. Standard Italian has a lot of elements in common with Romanian unlike Sardinian, for instance ce, ci, ge, gi, che, chi, ghe, ghi, where there was no such palatalization. beciu (pronounced bechiu) means old = vecchio in Italian; 5. beci in Romanian measn cave and is from Slavic
Ben, in “Manius me facit Numerio”, facit are not spelled “fasit”. correct are “fakit”. more similar with actual romanian “fãcut”. Cicero is not Sisero, but Kikero. as well correct pronunciation in latin classical or vulgar is Dekebalus, not Desebalus.
Si/se came with eclessiastical latin in 13-14th AD.
also… when Brutus pulled out his dagger, Cesar said ““Kaì sú, téknon” (You too, child). In greek, because roman elite use greek as main language
Well, for English speakers it's hard to adopt the classical pronunciation : )
Enlezii sint niste caraghiosi. Acum ei dau si lectii de istorie a limbii romane. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ionbrad6753 e greu? Păi, să stea acasă dacă doar atit le vine greu. Spun ai nostri prostii destule pe acest subiect, asa ca nu mai avem nevoie si de prostiile englezilor.
@@gheorgheenache7789 1) Unde vezi tu aici englezi? 2) dacă au studiat temeinic subiectul - da, pot ajunge și englezi / francezi / chinezi - să dea lecții despre istoria oricărei limbi.
@@ionbrad6753 Am zis io că văd englezi?? Tipul de aici părea englez. Pe urmă am aflat că el e galez.
Degeaba studiezi dacă nu ai minte! Te umpli de gunoi doar.
I find the diversity of sounds, vowels And consonants as well as the case system, very beautiful, and the cadence, enchanting, like Spanish, Russian, and Irish, all had a party together.
If I were to take on another Romance language, Romanian would definitely be the one.
You touched on something in this video that I have noticed as well, which is the line that can be drawn right down the middle of Europe. Languages on one side tend to be more inflected, more conservative some would say. Languages to the west of this line, tend to have lost some of their inflection, Basque being a notable exception.
This same line follows (very roughly) the division in the Church, And oddly, but not exactly, the Iron Curtain.
I have always thought that was kind of odd,though I can offer no good explanation.
By the way, Happy Thanksgiving.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Happy Thanksgiving to you as well!
ruclips.net/video/FxVtOgyqH2s/видео.html
Bătălia lingvistică pentru adevărata origine a limbii române
@@cernea1mihai Bătălia cu nebunii.🤣🤣🤣
Hi Ben,
Have you heard about Calusarii dance? That looks similar with morris dance and it looks like some dacians took it with them in England as roman legionnaires and so the english people have now morris dance. The word "morris" is similar with romanian "morisca" and might be a derivative of that.
Any chance to look at this, please?
Morris dancers are quite silly. I would need to read up on this.
@@BenLlywelyn Any chance to compare the Morris dances whith Welsh Galic traditions?Its looking as a ritual of the Galic Goddes Epona,in the Calushari are also equestrial symbols used.
Look up the Romanian calusari dance. It is a beautiful dance, but in old times it was full of pagan beliefs, as it was considered to have healing properties, and the dancers had strict behaviour to observe during the period of the year the dance was danced. Makes me think of shamanic rites.
@@mihaelac2472I saw basically the same dance in southern Italy.
15:45 right, "cal" comes from "caballus", BUT the female horse "iapa" (the mare) comes from "equus/equa" ("aqua" turned into "apa" in Romanian by a similar process)
And minz (manz) where is coming from?
"manzo" which is horse meat in Italian...@@d.o.g256
@@d.o.g256 Mânz is comming from caballus + equus/equua. 😁
@@marcelprodan9132 right! :-))))
@@marcelprodan9132 No Minz in modern times is transgender,woke and so on
the derived words for "torna, torna" in modern romanian would be "înturna" ("turn", "return" ) and "răsturna" ("turn over, knock over"). "înturna" is a bit old-fashioned and rarely used these days. "întoarce" is of another root - same as "torque" in english.
Hi Ben. British guy here, living in Romania. I’m new to your channel - I guess the YT algorithm saw my interest in Romanian history and threw me in your direction!
I will probably make further comments as I watch more. But in the meantime, may I ask please if you know where the lakeside location is, in your picture at 08:30 in the video?
I would guess Hoia Forest, but I am not sure - much of the footage is whatever I can find with CC copyright free sources.
@@BenLlywelyn I'm not sure there's a lake there but thanks anyway for the reply 👍
What did Vasile Parvan say? The Romans were interested in the territory of Dacia much more than the one in the south of the Danube because they had two major economic interests: gold and agriculture. In addition, this was the new frontier and the army was concentrated there. This meant a more intense connection with the Empire on all levels. Even in 329 AD, decades after the Aurelian retreat, Constantine the Great built a bridge over the Danube, the largest of those times.
In addition, the Romans colonized the center of the Dacian kingdom of Decebalus, their economic and power centers, so that those left outside had reasons to maintain contact with the former center and adopt similar changes.
The Roman colonists were from all over the empire, they were also from the already Latinized regions around, but they were also Italian.
Very reasonable comment.
You can look at the map of the Roman empire and you will see that the empire stretched all the way to the Crimea with Moldova. Free Dacians! Latin speakers!
Romanians have also the verb "a pălăvrăgi"
and is used when somebody speak to much and without importance. We also use "a flecări" from lat. FLACCUS,". "Palavre" mean lies or words without importance.
I'm sure Romanian has words for nice things too.
palavra din turca, flecari from fleac, from german (cauta pe Wiktionary in engleza)
@@lunadeargint540 , dar de ce sa luam din turca si germana cand eram vorbitori de limba latina si cand semnificatia din limba latina este aceasi? Crezi ca turcii nu au luat cuvinte latinesti din Constantinopol sau germanii pe vremea Holly-Roman Carolingian Empire de la italieni? Nu mai zic ca si ei puteau sa ia de la latini . Wiki nu este cea mai demna sursa de informare.
@@dorneanudoru turcii au luat cuvinte din latina, prin venetiana sau alte surse; cascaval de exemplu vine din turca, care l-a luta din venetiana. Wiktionary in engleza iti recomand este bun ca e bazat pe lucrari stiintifice; e o sursa mult mai buna de informare decat radio-șanț.
@@lunadeargint540, pai wiki chiar este un fel de radio sant din care multi se adapa fara sa dea macar un search pe google sa caute cuvintele similare din limba latina si prefera sa creada ca sunt turcesti, pentru ca romanii cei latinii trebuiau sa ia de la turci cuvinte care seamana cu cele latine. Cred ca bunul simt si cel putin google ne poate spune mai multe decat radio-sant-wiki. Nu cred ca este locul potrivit de balacareala romaneasca fara rost. Sper ca nu trebuie sa vobesc turceste ca sa ma fac inteles asa cum crezi ca o faceau taranii romani dupa cum crezi tu!
As a morden Romanian don't know what to say but all I know is that I can undrestand The Neacsu letter from over 500 years ago. I think Romanian language it's rlly old language
The Neacsu letter was written in the language that we call today Romanian . It is a language fundamentally derived from Latin of course having exposure to many other neighboring languages : Slavonic, Greek, Turkish, while in Transylvania German and Hungarian.
Thank you for your work about my language and country !
So many people in UK think that we are Gypsies because they are called Roma people. It’s just a coincidence. Only 5% are gypsies and their name has nothing to do with Romania
Thank you 🙏
Bun venit!
@@BenLlywelyn bun găsit! 😁👍
The census showed 3%. In general, Gypsies have a high percentage of South Asian (Indian) DNA. According to some statistics made by the companies that do DNA tests, there are 2.7% Indian DNA carriers here, which is in line with many other countries in Europe. It is interesting that in United Kingdom 4.8% have Indian DNA.
@@popacristian2056 They have a INdoeuropean language Dromari is very related whith the spoken Sanskrit.
@@ver_idemwhere can one learn gypsy language (-s) or at least more information and analysis about them ?
'Torna' exists in Romanian, as 'toarnă' which means 'to pour'. The semantic shift is obvious: if you turn a vessel full of liquid, you spill the content (pour). But we also have a derivative of 'torna' that still mean 'to return, to turn around': întoarnă. It's archaic, but still used in participle form (înturnat). Aromanian kept the original meaning of 'torna'. When they say 'toarnă' it may mean both 'to pour' or 'to return'. 'Întoarce' is a later development in Daco-Romanian, it's a derivative of 'toarce' which means 'to spin (wool, cotton, etc. to produce a thread)'.
As one can see, the semantic evolution of the Latin material in Romanian is quite different from Western Romance - another cause for Romanian looking 'different' from the Western sister languages. One of the cause is that Romanian split first from the whole Romance domain (Slavic invasion of the Balkans in the VI-th century) and the Dalmatian bridge to Western Balkans and Western Romance started to give in.
One more proof that Romanian is not pre-Latin, but post-Latin, a remnant of the earliest fragmentation of the Romance realm.
We have the word TORNEIRA in portuguese. Which is a derivation I’m sure from Torna! Torneira is the TAP over the KITCHEN where the comes leaves or POURS out. 😀
You are wrong.
Look at this evidence.
All languages developed individually from one another.
From LaDin and Romeika.
Latin was also created from a Pre-Latin languages.
There is a language in Dolomites called LaDin but this is also not the original LaDin.
Yet. The numbers in Dolomites LaDin are almost identical with Romanian not with Italian.
While Ladin people and Romanians never met. Therefore they came from Asia with a IndoEuropean language of the Dacians that is the nowadays Romanian. There were are romani people including the Gypsies and they called their languages also romani like.
Aromanian, Istroromanians and other Vlachs have developed individually away from Romanian. They have the same Romanian words, nothing like Italian. This is an argument against Latinisation of Greek for Aromanians and of Slavic for Istroromanians.
The only explanation is that there were tribes immigration from Asia of related people speaking the same language that was already a romani language and that spread through the mountains of Thracia and Dacia, developing individually.
Rome occupied Dacia only for 150 years and only 1/4 of the territory. How come all Romania, Moldova, Basarabia and south of UKRAINE speak Romanian?
Ottoman empire occupation was 500 years in Romania, yet nobody speaks Turkish unless they are Turks. The same about the 300 years of Germanic occupation. Nobody speaks Hungarian or German unless they are colonists.
Your theory is wrong.
Pleases read The Serpent's Trail of the lost tribes of Israel.
Read also about the Jewish roots of the Serbes.
Thracians were Sarmatians and both Sarmatians and Dacians are Semitic. The lost tribes of Israel.
Etruscans are Semitic too. They left Egypt by boat to escape slavery their. They are part of the Lost tribes of Israel as well.
Whole Europe is SEMITIC.
Now see the rest of the information.
Aromanian is like archaic Romanian.
The tribe of Dan scattered all through Asia Minor and Europe and formed Romance languages.
Aromanian and Romanian, as well as all the Romance languages including Latin, were not formed from Latin but from ancient-culture LaDin, a Semitic language that formed also the LaDin in the Dolomites.
LaDin the mother of European language including LaTin. Ladin is a Semitic language of the tribe of Dan.
The semitic Ladin language, is the basis of Romanian language
It could be that the original Ladin is not from Latin but the other way around.
Romanians have almost exactly the same numerals and they are formed far away from the Dolomites.
Romanian comes from Ladin, Dacian, not Latin. Wow 😮😮😮😮
Why Romanian Isn't Like Other Languages - because it is the closest to Ladin
Origin of Romanic languages in Ladin, not in Latin. Amazing.
Ladin and Ladino is the Semitic language, mother of all European languages.
It is not that Spanish influenced this language. It is the other way around.
Latin America is in fact Ladino America 🇺🇸.
The continent where Ladinos or Jews emigrated.
I always thought it has something to do with romance languages from Europe, but it is even prior to Americo Vespucci.
Wow.
It all makes sense.
It comes full circle.
Incredible.
Ladino, romance language spoken in Israel 🇮🇱 coming from Europe, but basen on ancient-culture LaDin language. The language of the tribe of Dan.
We found the connection with the language spoken by the tribe of Dan, the Dacian, back to Israel.
Incredible.
Ladin is the language Ladino are the people. In Spain they developed another version. Ladino. A Semitic language. Iberia is the country of the Hebreuws.
Latin America, could be Ladino America.
70% Jewish genes in Latin America. Either Ashkenazi or of the lost tribes of Israel.
A huge revelation for today.
Zal-Moxis Dacia Dan
Look for the Serpent's Trail
If you consider the other Romanian like languages such as Aromanian, istroromanian and others, that developed away from Dacia, you cannot say that the Dacian language was Latinised.
And you cannot say that Aromanian is Latinised Greek.
Because the way the latin words are spoken into these languages is close to Romanian and not Latin.
How can a Latinised Greek develop 2000 km away from Dacia in the exact way as the Latinised Dacian language?
No chance.
It is more like Dacian language was a language that gave birth to Latin.
Important to know!!!!
Dacians and Sarmatians are THE LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL.
Sarmatians are Samaritans.
Dacians are the Dan's. The lost tribe of Dan.
They colonized first what became Thracia and Dacia and move forward up north when the Romans invaded Dacia and colonized Scandinavia known as Province of Dacia and formed also countries like Olan-da, Dan-mark.
The people living in Olanda/Holland/The Netherlands, are called Dutch (pronounced Daci), also Dacians of the tribe of Dan.
Dacians of Dacia were of the same tribe with Samson. That is why they had uncut beards 🧔🏽 and hair.
Dan-mark was called Dacia in the 4th century.
The tribe of Dan, colonized Iberia, France and Wallonia, as well as Irland and Scotland.
Zal-Moxis was Chief Moses, the God of the Dacians. Why? Because Moses brought Israel out of Egypt. The Tribe of Dan was in Exile as well and got Moses worship 🛐 to be their protector.
The Serpent with wolf 🐺 head on a pole, was the war flag of both Dacians and Sarmatians and it was inspired from the Old Testament book of Numbers 21.4-9. The serpent on the pole of Moeses.
Moesia comes from Moses. Is the country of Moses people.
Moesel is the river of Moses.
Dan-ube is the river of Dan.
Samarina is a colony of the Sarmatian, Samaritans.
They were also Dacians
Many rivers in Europe have the name based on Dan derivative in the first place.
Saxons is derived from (I)saac sons. The sons of Isaac.
Europe is therefore Semitic.
România 🇷🇴 was occupied by many other powers over the centuries.
The Ottoman Empire was there for 500 years yet Romanias don't speak Turkish. The Austr-Hungarian Empire was there for 300 years. Yet only the colonized villages in specific regions where Hungarians and Germans emigrated 700 years ago, speak Hungarian and German and are the emigrants. No Românian people ever spoke another language.
The Roman occupation was only 150 years at maximum. It is no way the Dacian peasants were Latinised.
Therefore Latin was not the language that formed Romanian language nor the other Romance languages from Iberic Peninsula, France, Wallonia, Italy. It is most likely that all these languages developed separately from a Semitic language that became Dacian language that got variations according to the region the segmented parts of the Tribe of Dan emigrated to.
It is extraordinary and fascinating at the same time.
Look for the article.
The Serpent's Trail of the lost tribes of Israel.
The tribe of Dan.
Btw. The Gypsies are Semitic too. They are from the lost tribes of Simeon.
Sardinia was also colonized by the Tribe of Dan. Romanian language and Sardinian language are similar. This is another hint.
@@carteunu467 "Rome occupied Dacia only for 150 years and only 1/4 of the territory. How come all Romania, Moldova, Basarabia and south of UKRAINE speak Romanian?
Ottoman empire occupation was 500 years in Romania, yet nobody speaks Turkish unless they are Turks. The same about the 300 years of Germanic occupation. Nobody speaks Hungarian or German unless they are colonists. "
Rome occupied Dacia for 7 generations, enough to plant a stable Latin-speaking population there. The Aurelian Withdrawal was not meant to be permanent, Constantine himself did a partial re-occupation of Dacia 50 years later. It was short, but it indicated that the Romans saw Dacia as their turf, temporarily given to barbarians.
Roman Dacia was not only 1/4 of the territory, and in addition Dacia under Goths was still at the border of the Empire. Moldova speaks Romanian because of the Romance-speaking population expanding from Transylvania there, at a later date. The abandonment of Dacia by the Empire actually opened up the way for those folks to expand eastwards. The Romanians in Southern Ukraine were brought over by the rules in the area, from Tatars to Russians. Those Romanians are not autochtonous there (whatever that may mean).
The Ottomans never occupied Romania, except for very brief periods. The Romanian Principalities were vassal states to the Turks, and the Ottomans promised not to colonise the territory in exchange for obedience and monetary tribute (harach).
You are wrong about the Hungarians and Germans in Transylvania. There were well known communities of Romanians in NW Transylvania that lost their language. They were saying they are Romanians, but in Hungarian. Same with Eastern Transylvania, where many Romanians got assimilated by the Szekely (the proof is the cemeteries that still exist in places where you can't find Romanians any more).
In Transylvania on the countryside people still say 'întoarnă' instead of 'intoarce'. Hence 'torna frate' would be 'întoarnă-te frate'.
La fel si in Muntenia *întoarnă* se foloseste des, in special la tara in locul lui întoarce. Si in Moldova deasemeni.
Multusmec pentru ca
si este foarte logic, pentru ca educatia in transilvania (confoirm izvoarelor istorice) a fost introdusa de ''Scoala Ardeleneasca'' -> catolici ce propovaduiau limba latina si crestinismul in detrimentul limbii de bastina si nu puteau accepta ca oamenii sa stie ca a existat un popor pagan candva aici pentru ca acest lucru contravine crestinismului (Stim foarte bine cat de agresiv era catolicismul pe acea vreme cand femei erau arse pe rug pentru blasfemii sau vrajitorii doar pentru ca nu erau pe placul anumitor cetateni influenti).
Crestinarea fortata si violenta a venit la pachet cu limba latina.
Yep. "Toarce" originally meant "twist". While "Toarna" originally meant "turn". But the meanings have changed in standard Romanian due to semantic drift. There are still some regional dialects that preserves the original meaning.
I think it makes more sense to pour whine. Toarnă, toarnă frate.
Can you explain the reason, why there is no wlach origin name of geographical places in the charpatian basin, but thousends are south of Danube?
Yea, there was a Vlach migration, not suddenly or abruptly, but slowly over time with shepherds into Carpathia. And we must remember Goths were there.
10:52 I was SURE that you will make that mistake Ben.
So, if any romanian has told you this, in Romania the indefinite and definite articles are tricky. So, ,,a bird" will be ,,o pasăre" (feminine) BUT ,,the bird" is ,,pasărea"
I very much like your videos about Romanian history. You're like fresh air and as a Romanian, I thank you for the way you dealt with the idea that Dacia was Rome's precursor which is just crazy and easily verifiable
Appreciated. Multumesc ins.
That is the truth,Dacians spoke an older language ,before latin
What do you think about the name of Danmark, dutch , or deuch.Where these names come from?
The Europe had a much older culture,from Tracians and Dacians.
Traian ,what name is this ?
Traian declared he spoke to Decebal like cousins and he was proud of his Tracian roots.
Check what i say.
The first king of Normandie was Rollo, a trac, not a viking.
Spartacus was a trac warier .
Many kings of Rome had been Dacs.
The Roman poet Ovidiu, exiled to Tomis (today's Constanta) describes the bagpipe used by the locals and called "tsampona". The current Romanian word "Cimpoi" is considered to have unknown etymology, but it is similar to "Tsampona". "Cimpoi" thus comes from the Geto-Dacian ancestors.
ruclips.net/video/kwdkdeuHfco/видео.html
Can you give the exact quote in Latin or in what work? It seems like it's made up.
@@lunadeargint540 Nu am decat informatii de pe aici : ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimpoi si luceafarul.net/povestea-cimpoiului-si-a-muzicii-lui-ancestrale
Yes, the presence of extremely few substrate vocabulary of balkanic origin only strengthens the argument that Romanians are Romans.
...nice linguistic analysis but how would you describe the social contest to sustain this symbiosis...
I would not describe it.
13:33 what is that place called? It looks beautiful
It may be Lake Como, but I may be wrong.
This was very professional (compared to the last one🙃). I guess some people did need to hear this, good job sir.
Thank you.
If I dig deep enough, you may recognize that, in fact, you are an elephant. I swear!
Growing up in modern Wessex I was exposed to the languages of our historic overlords from Italy and France. Knowing both Classical Latin and Modern French, Romanian language is very beautiful on the ear whilst intriguing verb and noun grammar. The agglomerative noun feels like the neighbouring Turkish language. Whilst formal verb construction having Dative and Accusative personal pronouns preceding verbs to mean things that in other languages are expressed more simply, has me perplexed as I approach the language mostly through the textbook. Romanian definitely feels like the living version of Latin from time to time, which surprises me since my formative schooling relied on romance language teaching excluding Romanian language.
Romanian certainly has had a varied and pluralistic influence on it in a way which is unique and enriching. Thank you.
Turkish is not a neighbouring language, and Romanian was already formed when the Turks arrived. Agglomerative is really not an appropriate term. There are enclitic articles, like Scandinavian languages. Constructions with Dativ are inherited from Latin.
@nestingherit7012 I can't say about Sardinians but I haven't heard any Aromanian saying 'ie' for 'da'. I heard 'da' from those in Romania and 'nă' from those in Greece (from ναι).
18:07 So...if "dwyrain" means "east", then Durin means "Apuseanul" in Romanian? (not sorry for confusing you)
No.
@@BenLlywelyn apus-răsărit-miazănoapte-miazăzi?
Great work Ben
Always love watching videos that shows how interconnected European languages are, a big family.
Thank you
Lmao 🤣. Seriously? This guy Ben is a joke …😂
I am a Latinist but I also support the idea that Romanians are descendants of the Dacians.
Language wouldn't be the only proof there is about Dacian ancestry. Culture and tradition also exist, y'know?
Not to mention, I don't think any person well-versed in Romanian history would claim that the Dacians gave birth to Latin. But culturally and ethnically we are not solely and only Italic/Latin. If all Latin countries were like that, we would all be the same country and indistinguishable. However the Latin countries, including Romania, are a mix of multiple elements, because the Romans INTEGRATED other cultures, they didn't forcefully culturally convert entire regions/peoples.
I agree many Romanians would be descendants of the Dacians.
No they are not descendants of Dacians. Look up their genetic tests compared to ancient civilizations.
@@ihatetiktok475 xddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
@@ihatetiktok475 :))))))))))
Great video!
15:21 in fact in Romanian for people or animals you don't use "vechi" (which is rather used for objects), but "batran" (from "vetus" or "veteranus")
My dad is a veteran.
@@BenLlywelyn Romanian is from Dacian language, no Latin. We have basic worlds similar to Albanian.
@@elenabibescu1848 Our language, the Romanian language, comes from Vulgar Latin, after the Romans conquered the Dacians and settled Dacia with Romans.
oh, so dacopathy does exist... 🙂 Hi, there!@@elenabibescu1848
Mostly veterans settled in Dacia, and they weren't even Romans they were from different parts of the empire since the Roman army was made of different ethnic groups (in fact so many that Latin as a language became a minority only to be used in the administrative field and to give official orders).
That's why the Latin component of Romanian isn't born from the 165 years of domination but way before.
good someone finally disproved this claim
My friend, for word SHIRT, in Romanian there are at least two words: CĂMAȘĂ and TUNICĂ. Tunică is an older word that means men's (uniform) coat, usually closed to the neck and worn over the shirt. Tunic-like garment (1), worn by women. 2. A (loose) garment worn by some ancient peoples, knee-length or floor-length.
dear Ben i have a question for you…. wich one came first….the DRACO or the CARNYX ?
They likely arose independently of one another. I would guess carnyx, but It is impossible to say.
Great video as usual!
Kind indeed. Thanks.
I know it's not your main field, but if you can, please continue making more videos like these, they are very informative!
he's brainwashing you, don't know why, but he does...
Marius, te minte, Ben nu e englez... adios marios...
Oh yes,the rest of romanians are educated by Johannes.
"Torna, torna, frate!" .. "Torna" , today, in aromanian, ""tornu" has several meanings depending on the context, including "to return". Romanian " intoarce" ( turn back, twist, etc) .comes from the Latin "intorquere", "to twist". Following the historical developments in the Balkan area and the physical separation (through the occupation of the area by the Slavs) between the "Latins from the north", the Romanians and the "Latins from the south", the Aromanians, "Balcanic Vulgar Latin" sometimes had different evolutions.
Note: Words, "Romanian" and "Aromanian" comes form the same word, latin "Romanus" and means the same thing "romanian". Most of "aromanians" use in their speech letter "a" front of words that starts with consonants. This is where comes " a - romanian".
I wonder how can anyone prove that cognate words come from this and that, when basically we talk about related IE languages, originated in the same cultures, proven to be sharing historical, linguistic and genetic background.
there is a bar in Bucharest called "Torna, fratre!" meaning "turn the bottle upside down and fill my glass, brother!"
@@carron979 lol
There are phonetic laws specific to each language and the shape of the words often shows their route from one population to another, from one language to another. There are specialists (linguists) who study these evolutions of words. Genetics has nothing to do with the evolution of words.@@Sofia-0001
Where is the word vorbum with an o attested anywhere in Classical (or any other) Latin?
Verbum
@@BenLlywelyn right. But linguists explain that Romanian vorba cannot be traced to Latin verbum due to phonetic difficulties.Thus the etymology of vorba is unknown.
can you explain the similarity between albaninan bukurisht and romanian bucuresti? How is it possible?
I will have to look into that.
@@BenLlywelynIn romanian bucurie means joi and esti is to be. So what he says is that Bucuresti means to be joyfully or to be happy. Same in romanian language but this is a name not 2 words.
Theophanus documents actually: Torna, Torna Fratre! Which is likely Proto-Romanian (Balkan-Latin) form of latin Tōrno meaning Come back and Frāter meaning brother. Both being inherited into Romanian as Inturna and întoarce-te, and Aromanian Tornu, as well Frate.
Intoarna in Moldavian idiom too
@@nestingherit7012 *Moldavian dialect, but yes, you are right
There is a bar-pub in Bucharest called "Torna fratre!" (Toarna frate!)
Exactly Ben ! thank you for bringing up that Romania peoples are the smartest and most intelligent people from the fact they learned so easily and so fast a very advanced and educated language and they were able to keep it during all invasions of other peoples with complete different languages , and still speak it today even Latin is very limited spoken only in Vatican! And mostly Latin was and still is the language spoken only by educated people! Than you!
Good point...
Dacă găsiți pe undeva revista lui Gabriel Gheorghe numită " Getica" şi publicată in anii ' 90 veți găsi informații cvasinecunoscute despre acest subiect.
Italian languagfe is ONLY the OFFICIAL LANGUAGE in Italy. The Italians are speaking in their homes dialects. There are 2000 different dialects currently spoken in Italy.
I must add that Romanians are so intelligent that 2/3 of them learned it even if their territory was never under Roman rule (only about 1/3 of Dacia was actually colonized, for no more than 170 years) and even if in that part of the world, Greek was more comune and used as a lingua franca in those times, in an era when books and schools where only available to very few . And this in contrast with other territories ruled by the Romans for hundreds of years, where no latin language is spoken today.... Still Romanians are so stupid as in almost 1000 years of Hungarian control of Transylvania (which is about 1/3 of Dacia) the romanized population didn't learned hungarian, or even got much of that language into Romanian, even if there was constant pressure from the Hungarian authorities in this direction, in an era when schools and books started to become an everyday thing...
@@doizece6002 Foarte frumos spus, mulțumesc !
Great video 👍👍👍
There are a few possibly pre-Roman words in it though, and some of them are shared with Albanian, which in turn is thought to be a descendent of the Illyrian language. Illyrian, Dacian and Thracian languages are thought to have been related, though Dacian and Thracian were probably closer. Albanian can give clues to possible Dacian words in Romanian. There are also suggestions of a link between Dacian and the Baltic language family. Theres even a word in Kartvellian for a town that is shared with the "dava" ending in Dacian towns, though this may be rare.
A few, yes.
Another amazing video which explains what we already know but dacopaths need to hear. By the way, the Romanian word "din" is a contraction of the Latin words "de" + "in".
Multumesc pentru 'de + in'.
@@BenLlywelyn cu placere
Same thing for ”întoarce-te”. The leading ”in” is glued there with the meaning ”turn-in-(direction)”.
„dacopaths” know better than you. You crazy latinopaths!!
@@ionbrad6753 In latin I think is retorna
Mulțumesc!
Scurt și la obiect! Thank you!
Bun venit!
Congrats for your great work in your moovies. We admit you're quiet documented. We learn from your confrontations of words. I do aswell compeare romanian with slavic or latinic or turkic, hungaric or greek. I saw lately 5 of your posts
A very good explanation of the source of Romanian. I wonder how Latin skipped over other areas but wound up in Dacia. Was it through conquest? There must have been significant migration to the area. Maybe Roman soldiers being paid by being given land in Dacia.
There was gold in Dacia, hence why the Romans wanted to civilize the area 😂
Latin didn't skip over areas. This is what survived after centuries of migration from the east. Mainly thanks to geography. Romania and the Balkans were more isolated and had many environments where the locals could thrive but migrating populations could or would not - mountains, forests, swamps. In general, Migrating peoples had plains animals like horses, and cattle. The people used to living in the mountains had mainly sheep, goats, bees and those in forests had pigs. These are not very good migratory animals over long distances. So niches were easily created. And most of the times, even though there were indeed raids and open conflicts, the migrating populations collaborated with the local population, eventually ending up being assimilated. Sedentarism is a good vector of stability and survivorship over longer periods of time. This is the best explanation I know of why the Romanian language survived and continued to develop as a direct continuation of a Daco/Traco-Roman language north and south of the Danube for so many centuries.
You didn't understand it dear, it seems that Latin derives from old Latin in Dacia, so Latin comes from Dacia
All the surrounding regions that were part of the empire spoke Latin. It's just that they were affected by the Slavic migration, which differed from most of the other migrations coming from the East due to the large number of those who migrated. The Slavs passed through the territories of today's Romania, they have language influence, but mostly they crossed the Danube to the south and southwest. South of the Danube, the Romanized Thracian element survived as a language and civilization until after the year 1000, when it began to be more strongly assimilated by the Slavic culture.
Similarly, the Hungarian migration changed the language in the area where they settled. The other migrations, which passed through the territories of today's Romania, did not assume a significant population compared to the locals, because they left no traces in the DNA of the locals, neither here nor around.
@@georgearden7075 That’s absurd. Dacian and Latin have nothing to do with each other, dear. Dacian is an extinct paleo-Balkan languages, while Latin gave birth to Romanian among other Romance languages.
Thanks, I’ll link this to my facebook conspiracy theorist mom, who after a single dacopath video(and clearly no recollection of basic middle school history lessons) imediatelly became enamoured with it.. after all it’s easy to believe yours is the superior folk who everyone else wants to keep down because they don’t wanna admit they’re inferior, it’s what russia’s been going with since ivan the terrible
ruclips.net/video/FxVtOgyqH2s/видео.html
When I was trying to explain this to people, that is just Kremlins propaganda to divide us and depart us from Europe and to wash away our identity I've been called naive and sheep...
I also studied the Faculty of Letters at the Valahia University of Targoviste and did a lot of Etimology and related curriculum. They had no related studies or any Uni at all, but I was the one in the wrong🤦
Later on Russia invaded Ukraine and some understood the russian danger and it's propaganda, but some of them remained there dancing on kremlins music even harder😐
yes indeed, dacopathy is a sign of inferiority complex of uneducated people, unable to understand science
What I love about the Indo-European spread graphic at 2:53 is that it shows the initial spread of the IE speakers all the way out to Ireland and parts of Spain, displacing many languages along the way; which means, even though Celtic languages are historically attested in places like Britain and Iberia, whatever was spoken in those places after the initial spread did not become Celtic. They became something else that was later overridden by Celtic language speakers a thousand or more years later. Irish legend has it that there were 4 "migrations" into Ireland over time. 1st the Hunter-Gatherers; 2nd the First Farmers; 3rd the IE speakers; 4th the Celtic speakers.
Many of the differences in European Language families are due to variations in the pre-Indo-European populations that influenced them
Great educational video. It answered many of my questions regarding the birth of the Romanian language! Thank you!
If I answered your questions then I did my job. Thank you.
Gratias tibi ago. Very interesting as usual. The right fibula's name is FIBVLA PRAENESTINA. My dad's family origin is from that area. PRAENESTE and GABII, two glorious towns belonging to LATIVM VETVS.
È sempre bello conoscere i collegamenti.
@@BenLlywelynSemper bonvm est. You should do a video about the connection between proto-celtic and proto-latin.😊
@@jboss1073 I didn't say there was a connection. I was just asking Ben to make a video on the topic.
@@jboss1073 And how many PIE roots has Latin the written language for thousands of years?Wtf is going here,which Germano celtic branch are you comparing whith German and Latin?
I'm learning more about my country and culture from your videos than I learned in school 😅
I'll do my best for you! Something on Basarab before long, I hope. Thank you for the support.
ruclips.net/video/FxVtOgyqH2s/видео.html
If you analyse the writing language yes! but what abou the one's before, much older an spoken for more 100 years in all N-E Europe?
Do you have a recording from.200 bce?
@@BenLlywelyn don't need one ...but you keep looking... Good luck
what about those words and roots of them
A: abeş, Abrud, abur, acăţa, adămană, ademeni, adia, aghiuţă, aidoma, ală, alac, aldea, ameţi, amurg, anina, aprig, argea, Argeş, arunca, azugă.
B: baci, baier, baligă, baltă, bară, Barbă-cot, barză, bască, batal, băga, băiat, bălan, balaur, beregată, boare, bordei, bortă, brad, brânduşă, brânză, brâu, brusture, bucur, buiestru, bunget, burghiu, burlan, burtă, burtucă, burtuş, butuc, butură, buză.
C: caier, caţă, căciulă, căpuşă, căpută, cătun, cioară, cioban, cioc, ciocârlie, ciomag, cârlan, cârlig, codru, copac, copil, creţ, cruţa, cujbă, culbec, curma, curpăn, cursă, custură,
D: darari, daş, dărâma, deh, deretica, descăţa, descurca, dezbăra, desghina, dezgauc, doină, don, dop, droaie, dulău.
F: fărâmă.
G: gard, gata, gălbează, genune, ghes, ghiară, ghimpe, ghiob, ghionoaie, ghiont, ghiuj, gîde, gîdel, gordin, gorun, grapă, gresie, groapă, grui, grumaz, grunz, gudura, guşă.
H: hojma.
I: iazmă, iele.
Î: încurca, înghina, îngurzi, înseila, întrema.
J: jilţ.
L: leagăn, lepăda, lespede, leşina.
M: mal, maldac, mazăre, măceş, mădări, măgură, mălai, mămăligă, mărcat, mătură, melc, Mehadia, mieru, mire, mistreţ, mişca, mânz, morman, mosoc, moş, moţ, mugure, munună, murg, muşat.
N: năpârcă, năsărâmbă, niţel, noian.
O: ortoman.
P: păstaie, păstra, pânză, pârâu, prunc, pururea.
R: raţă, ravac, răbda, reazem, ridica, râmfă, rânză.
S/Ş: spânz, stăpân, stărnut, sterp, stejar, steregie, stână, străghiată, strepede, strugure, strungă, sugruma, suguşa, şale, şiră, şopârlă, şoric, şut, scăpăra, scrum, scula, scurma, sâmbure, sâmvea, sarbăd, Sarmisegetuza.
T: tare, traistă, tulei,
Ţ: ţap, ţarc, ţarină, ţăruş, ţundră, ţurcă.
U: uita (a se), undrea, urca, urcior, urdă, urdina, urdoare.
V: vatră, vătăma, vătui, viezure, viscol,
Z: zară, zăr, zburda, zestre, zgardă, zgîria, zgârma, zimbru zârnă
I am glad you included brânză, this is my favourite Romanian word so far.
We have both "de la" or "din" for from
In Romanian we have "parabolă" meaning allegory, in Italian "frate" means monk, "fratello" means brother.
dude, parabola is a neologism brought into the Romanian language in the 19th century. frate in Romanian has both the meaning in Italian and more
In Romania, we also have "pălăvrăgi" meaning speaking a lot and without much sense, empty words / to talk a lot. eg: Ce tot pălăvrăgesti acolo
Yes, but a palavragi is also new word, dwrivative from the neologism palavra. Stefan cel Mare wouldn't know it
@@stevesteve8529 the only foreign words brought and adopted in the 19th century were from French, in the late 20th and beginning 21st centuries are from English. Pălăvrăgi sounds more Slavic than Latin whether it's Ancient or Medieval.
@@stevesteve8529 Wikipedia mentions the origin of "palavragi" as being turkish. Now if they took it from latins or vice versa that's another story. So chances are Stefan cel Mare knew about it.
Good work.
De ce primele cuvinte în Greacă sunt Românești?
Prieteni indo-europeni.
I liked it all. The fact that some romanians need to believe that the teritory of today's Romania was somehow the starting point of civilization is not unique. Ataturk also tried to convince himself and his fellows turks that turkish was the root for every other language including greek and latin (that turkish okul gave greek scoleio and latin scola and romanian scoala instead of the other way around :)). No amount of logical explanation will change somebody's belief !
The Turkish one sounds interesting!
Yeah, it's like arguing with a religious fundamentalist. Facts, logic and reason can't overcome beliefs stemming from emotions. Dacopaths are a lost cause.
All Balkanics are the same . The most idiots are the Serbs and the Greeks .But Romanians push hard to beat them .
so that explains the never ending banther between turks and persians!
@@BenLlywelyn Look up "Sun Language Theory". It emerged in the nationalistic fervour of the 1930s in Turkey, and Ataturk (who, at that point, was becoming a bit high on his own success) indeed loved the idea, but it was quickly dropped after his death.
Manducare wow!
The word food in Romanian is Mâncare (mangiare in Italian)
Bucate 😉and many other neologisme but ...........he knows romanian goagle .
Maybe Romanian might keep some substract influence from Darcian, as you suggested that Portuguese has from Celtic.
Indeed so.
I love your videos! I have noticed something though… in classical Latin, the V is pronounced like an English W. Like you said Ventus for old, when it is like Wen-toos. However you got it right in Vulgar Latin.
Thank you for watching.
If only dacians people would have started to write we would have now a live dacian language
Fair comment.
They for sure had writings, especially the visigoths.
But I think when they become normal Christians from Arianism christian, the new Christians destroyed all the books since they contained heresy.
Romanian mal = latvian mala 'shore' 😅
😊
Dacian word.
There's also "mil"( mud) in Romanian
As I know the oldest wlach text is from ca 1512...I say romanian legnuage was born ca 200 years ago when thousends of frrench, italian, etc words were imported to the romanaian lengauge tu reduce the percentage of the slavic origin wordds. and this renewing process did not happened in all walch speaking people. So if you want to study the origin of the romanains lenguage you should take texts that are older then 250 years old. Befiore the XVIIi century we can not speak about romaians legnauge but wlach lenguage. Even the name of romanian is new word. Do you know the document where first time "romanian" appeared?
I would say reforms and nationalist restructuring are different from birth.
My personal opinion, I repeat my personal opinion(I’m not a dacopath) I think Latin and the indo-european language Dacian(And I think mostly Latin) got a huge role in the Romanian language. Well as I read, the Dacian people need to learn that language in order to survive, because Szarmisegetusa was the capital of Dacia back then, and I think the economic point of the country. So I think they teached they’re kids Latin and Dacic language as well, and as the time passed they merged together and made the old Romanian language I think, of course with the other ones like Slavic, etc.
that’s just my opinion, not an istorical fact.
It is very interesting to see how linguists think and discover facts.
How to explain the fact that the Visigoths and Ostrogoths, speakers of the "Germanic" language, who started (approximately) from the territory of present-day Romania, conquered the Western Roman Empire and established some kingdoms that ruled the respective regions for at least 300 years, did not succeed to impose their "Germanic" type language and everyone from Romania, France, Italy, Spain and Portugal use a "Latin" type language? How did the Goth rulers communicate with their Latin subjects for three hundred years, did they use translators? Maybe the "Goths" who came from "Romania" also spoke a kind of "Latin"? Or maybe the Goths were a northern branch of the Geto-Dacians, who had closer contact with the Germanic nations (from which they borrowed words), and whom the Germans, unable to pronounce their names correctly, called them "Goths" ?... And how could the Goths speak "old Latin", if they were a Germanic race, which had its roots in Scandinavia, somewhere too far north to speak a Latin-type language?
Vlachs in the mid Balkans moved north, as well as their being Latins in Constanța and Oltena. The Vlachs took the fertile plain of Wallachia which has the best agricultural land for crops and their population was able to expand and accrue political and socio-economic power over other groups.
Goths ( particularly visigoths) are not germanic but dacian.
Goth historian Iordanes says that.
And they spoke an older type of Latin.
These are the visigoths that sacked Rome and Athens twice and brought the dark ages. Do they dress like dacians? 😂 ruclips.net/video/IazxJLHisyU/видео.htmlsi=NceoAsSeizq3Kvhf
@@BenLlywelyn Where are the goths in your explanation?
@@BenLlywelyn Hey sir, that's Roesler's theory. This theory is a big historical fake elaborated for political reasons. You disappointed me, I thought you were a serious man!!! The Roman historian Florus wrote "The Dacians live bound to the mountains." The ancestors of the Romanians always took shelter there, and then the Romanians when the migratory tribes invaded. These tribes came from the steppes of Asia, unfamiliar with the mountains and were afraid to enter them. That is why the first capitals of Wallachia and Moldavia were in the mountains and moved to the plains when the states gained power.
@@BenLlywelyn There is no evidence for this claim. The fertile plains with agriculture have always had a denser population and could extend their territories.
Romanian language has many variants of saying the same thing. Some you can find in vulgar latin, some you can find in clasical and older forms of latin. But these are unknown for a beginner romanian speakers, or not used in all parts of Romania. For example, lets take the word "petra" today romanians use "piatra" but we also use "lespede" you didn't mention that. These variants that you didnt mention, are harder to access as a non-native speaker. So the discussion should continue on this topic. Imagine the area between the Carpatian muntains and the Danube before the 18-19th century, there was mostly forest, were people lived in scattered, and isolated in extremely hard to access communities, in underground huts (bordeie). There was no lookout point, terrain is flat. Roads were basically along the sides of the main rivers. I personally think is impossible to imprint a linguistic homogeneous tone in this background.
I'm sure that Romanian's many influences have left with a rich girth of synonyms to express very similar ideas in the language with precision and shaded of meaning.
you can translate lespede with stone, it has a specific meaning.
Well, almost all languages in Europe are indo-european (latin and germanic too). Indo tribes, passed through iran/persia and assiriaa, then anatolia and entered Europe through Balkans (the only place not covered in snow). First they settled for a while (centuries), then as climate changed, some of them emigrated to new territories. They took with them the balkanik sprachbund, not the other way around, then it changed as centuries passed. It changed, but is logical that infuence was from balkans , not the other way around. I am not saying they are dacian or thracian, iliran, agatarshi or others they were here, but it is a bit logical that the western languages (as they are people that came from balkan area- first stop in Europe) to have infuenced them, not the other way around, as they lived for a while in balkans then continued their journey west. Also, if you look, vulgar latin is quite a different language to latin like english and french. They have some comonalities, but they have techically other words. As you see with the word horse and others. There are very different words. And in my book, vulgar latin is quite the balkan initial language but latinesed. As english is germanic language, but latinised. Some vulgar latin is in french since they have celtic ancestry and celts stationed in balkans for a while in their route to west. Reserarch should be made on the vulgar latin origin.
No, Romanian is the evolution of Vulgar Latin via Dacian, whereas Latin is a derivation of Vulgar Latin created via the "beautification" changes applied by the Roman elite, since Latins emigrated from the Banat area around 1200-1000 BCE. Check out Micheal Ledwith's youtube entries regarding the Romanian language.
"Romanian is the evolution of Vulgar Latin via Dacian" looool. Next you're gonna tell us that Dacians colonized Mars.
You are a such a joke mate. Who were the Dacians then? Founder's of the world civilizations who came from outer space?😂
Eh, it doesn't hurt anyone and potentially is good for Romanians' nationalism and the way they view themselves. It is a shaky foundation to build an identity on since it's demonstrably not true. Emphasising a connection between Dacian and Italic languages and viewing Dacian as some "sort-of-Latin" language (which means the shift to Latin was like Dacians switching to another fairly different dialect or something) seems more sensible as it's closer to the truth. This would involve maintaining a decent amount of ambiguity about exactly how close Dacian and Latin were.
Lots of nation building origin stories and history aren't quite true, look at how the French romanticise the Gauls and imagine a single Gaulish language and culture when the Gauls of France instead had spoke different Celtic languages and had different cultures.
P.S. It's nice that Ben seems to like Romanian, it's come up a lot in his videos. It seems like a lovely language.
Romanian coming from Vulgar Latin has been clearly demonstrated. It isn't good for Romanian nationalism to build an identity based on the lie that Romanian comes from Dacian. While there are similar "movements" in other countries which try to reinvent their own history (like the French thinking of themselves as Gauls), that isn't a good thing either.
Romanian is a lovely language.
Romanians are Latin by definition and then something else.
But as you astutely highlighted: Dacia is to Romania what Gaul is to France.
A mistake in your video. It's Teofilact of Simocatta not Teophanus thats with the,, torna fratre,, story. Teophanus was 200 years later.
from can also be used as "a" or "al" in romanian. But it has a more strange way... like belong to. My suspicion is that Dacian and Latin where related languages and that's way you find sometimes strange things like this plus the easy adapt of "latin" in romanian. Like two similar languages come together with the power of Rome behind the vulgar latin. Related as in Italian and Romanian now
Proximity between Latin and Celtic languages within Indo-European made Latin assimilation of Celtic languages across the West much easier. And I think something similar happened with Dacian.
Ben, this is a better material than the so called Dacomania but nevertheless Romanian is not a Neo - Latin language nor a dialect of an Italic tongue either, as many Wikipedologists are poised to prove. But no scientist said that Latin comes from Dacian so I don't know why you need to prove something like that. You see most of the words you have chosen as example in your material are to be find in Romanian, predominantly the ones from older Latin or Latina Vulgaris and not from classical Latin for instance the word Passaros=Pasăre. Or here another word: Peulvan in old french = Bolovan in Romanian = rock ( also Roca in Romanian)in English. Another one: Pocal in Romanian = Pocolom in Etruscan = cup in English. Plinius the Elder (23 - 79 AD) reminds of Caseum Coebanum = Caș Ciobănesc = Shepherd Cheese . The so called linguists say that Cioban word comes from Turkish but this word was in use long before the Turks were dreaming to come to Europe. You see, Latina Vulgaris is older than Classical Latin because it was the language of the people while the later one was for the elites which sprang from Latina Vulgaris. Now, before the Latin language from the Romans, it was already a similar language but older, spoken in Dacia, Iberia, Gaul, Italia even Germania and Baltic countries, Libya too and in accordance with the region they had their own dialects. As I previously told you, ancient sources made clear that in Dacia, Iberia, Germania and Baltic countries, people were speaking a Latin like language before these territories were invaded by the Romans or new colonists. As Ovid (43 BC - 17 AD) wrote that language of the Getae (Dacian) was a barbaric language but a kind of Latin. Rome did not invade Dacia at that time! Cassius Dio (165 - 235 AD) said that after first defeat of Decebalus by Trajan, the Dacian king sent a group of ambassadors before the Roman senate where they agreed on the terms op peace in Dacian language and the senators over there understood them. Isidore of Seville (560 -636 AD) wrote that Gaetuli from Libya, migrated there from the territory of the Getae long before existence of Rome. Well the Indo - Europeans migrated from the east towards west and many people who sat in the Carpatho - Danubian region for a while, migrated further in to western Europe so Italy as well and beyond. Paleo genetic studies show a match in the DNA of northern Italic people with Carpatho - Danubian people so you think they did not have the same language back than? I think I wrote enough now....Whoever have eyes to see and ears to hear and brain to think with.
Hungarian migrated through Slavic lands, it does not make Hungarian a Slavic Language.
Ben, you can not compare the number of Hungarian migrators with the number of Indo - Europeans. Hungarians came with their own language just like the Indo Europeans did. Being a tremendous larger population than the Hungarians, their impact on European continent was decisive regarding the language. But another difference is that Indo Europeans did not all leave the places where they went because large populations decided to remain on those areas while others carried on moving westward, where again populations remained there while other split and move on up to Atlantic ocean. Remember! Herodotus (484- 425 BC) wrote that the Thracian folks were even then the second to the Indians regarding the numbers. So it was the largest population in Europe even back then. Hungarians however, they went from one place to another and did not make it as far as the Indo - Europeans did. Speaking of Hungarians and because you said something about Romanian writing too....well, the Hungarians even in XIII century called the so called Cyrillic letters, Literae Blachorum or Romanian letters and even in XVIII and XIX centuries were called Olah Betuk - Litere Românești - Romanian letters. So much for Slavic alphabet theory....They got it from the Romanians. You see Ben, just like the Hippocrates oath, they say is from the Greeks but in fact is being stolen from the Getae-Thracian medics ( Those guys who believed in Zamolxes, you know? ) which were Hippocrates teachers in medicine and I am not saying that but Plato en Socrates did but if you learn from wikipedia like many others do, you will keep coming up with bent theories like that. @@BenLlywelyn
Everything you wrote is Dacomanic propaganda. You even misquoted Pliny the Elder, Ovid, Cassius Dio in attempt to sound more credible. But any person who has studied these sources immediately notices that you are twisting their words and completely fabricating the facts.
Romanian does indeed come from Latin and has nothing to do with Dacian or any pre-Roman language. Next you are going to argue that English comes from Romanian because Romanian borrowed English words like "miting" , "soft" and "instagramabil". Ridiculous.
Do your research first and than come back. Until than you are just another Romanian history denier and with people like you, Romania has no future@@daciaromana2396
@@daciaromana2396 ,, nothing to do with Dacian or any pre-Roman language'' good dealer you found . Its obvious you have nothing but propaganda.. the hungayrians are the dacians , right? and they were of course cathoholics :))
We also have tunică in romanian . It is a coat you take over the cămaşă. 😊
Buna!
I think a neologism imported in the XIX century.
tunică este imprumut din franceza, nu e mostenit din latina
Was kam zu erst:
Die Henne
oder
Das Ei?
Visigoth Romanians, the getae dacian, as Iordanes says himself. We created the Latin world and we Destroyed the Roman empire in 410.
We also civilised the savage germanics and huns with the help of Bulgarian Ulfilas.
language of the goths invented by Ulfillas and his translated Bible but visigoths thracian already spoke a soird of Latin, Romanian.
Only savage germanics and huns didn't knew Latin.
Die Feder.
Dacia is in Ilirian peninsula, try to compare romanian with the other languages in the region. And what it meens the name of the capital of Romania?
Yes, good ideas for videos.
Dacia is the name of the province ruled by the Romans 106-271, north of the Danube, and had nothing to do with Illyrian P. The inhabitants were Northern Thracians also called Geto-Dacians (the main ancestors of Romanians). The Romanian language was formed south and north of the Danube especially, where it suffered some Slavic influences in the first millennium AD.
Yes it is not a evidence there Dacian language give birth to Romanian language and we should be aware of this wiled we speak a Romance language! Alls won’t understand what Italian and Spanish speak without to learn first!
Many words in romanian that don't appear of latin origin ,have somehow a latin origin
The word for garlic is widely known as"usturoi"but i heard people in the country side saying"aliu"it's latin I think
Somehow?
Mujdei, Romania's favorite sauce (it's garlic-based) comes from Latin (must de ai, all Latin words per Wiktionary).
@19:15 could be translated also as this in a street slang or farmer slang:
Intoarna intoarna frate
dacopaths confuse the ancient movement of early european farmers and aryans into europe through what is now romania with latin getting its origins from dacia
You could make thar argument about anywhere between Romania and Egypt too, to burst their bubble.
Yeah, I argued against them many times and proved them wrong. They can't accept the fact.
Those lies comes from the channel _Daniel Roxin,_ of whom is a dacopath himself and makes only bias claims
Then give Transilvania to Hungarians, if we are not Geto/ Dacians.
@@nestingherit7012 We are Romanians, our ancestors were the Roman's who conquered Transylvania before Hungarian's were even in Europe
@@nestingherit7012 How Hungarians and Romanians settle their histories and build a friendship is up to those 2.
Multi, foarte multi oameni, atat din trecut cat si din prezent, au simtit si simt ca acest pamant ascunde „ceva”. Acest „ceva“ pare a fi nedefinit, fara de forma si totusi avand o forma, insa aceasta forma nu poate fi sesizata decat de ochii sufletului. Urma lasata in sufletele noastre a luat apoi forma dorului... un dor inefabil si inexplicabil, iar acel dor de ,,ceva“ nu s-a putut pierde si nici nu se va pierde vreodata. Este dorul unei civilizatii care a ales sa inchida ochii... pentru putina vreme.
Cu totii stim cate ceva despre civilizatia geto-dacilor. Acesti „barbari”, dupa cum erau numiti de catre greci si romani, au avut una dintre cele mai deosebite civilizatii din aceasta lume. Geto-dacii si-au construit aceasta civilizatie avand o baza spirituala deosebit de solida, care isi are radacina in vremuri foarte, foarte indepartate. Ruptura de aceasta radacina a impins civilizatia geto-dacilor aproape de prapastia uitarii, caci simtamintele inimilor urmasilor acestui neam s-au inchis fata de simtamintele propriului pamant, iar fiii sai si-au plecat urechea si chiar inima altor invataturi, straine de glasul sfantului pamant al acestui neam.
S-au scris multe lucrari despre acest maret neam geto‑dac, dar aceste lucrari au disparut subit din analele istoriei. Nu v-ati intrebat de ce? Oare au disparut degeaba? Nu, nu au disparut degeaba. Ceva aparte trebuia protejat. time will tell .
Foarte bine descris!!! omul acesta care a făcut acest video din păcate este rătăcit foarte rătăcit pentru că duhul românului și spiritul acest popor strigă și lăcrimează după adevărul strămoșilor noștri care de fapt nu au fost romanii ci 0:09 geto-dacii!!!
Trăiești pe o altă planetă. Poate îție dor de pământ😂
@@supermarioxs1 Voi sunteți retardați să mor eu de nu😂😂😂
Geto-Dacii au fost urmașii civilizației Cucuteni care datează la 8 mii de ani din ziua de azi! Noi suntem speciali pentru toată lumea și va veni timpul când adevărul va ieși la suprafață. Una e clar că romanii antici știau că dacii sunt strămoșii lor. Nu se fac statui din granit de metri pentru niște barbari. Noi suntem speciali și avem o misiune specială pentru omenire. Ca argument nu există nici un popor pe tera care locuiește pe același pământ de peste 8 mii de ani păstrându-și limba, obiceiurile și teritoriile aproape intacte. Autorul ca să ne înțeleagă pe noi trebuie să înțeleagă mai întâi sensul cuvintelor dor, doină, vatră de la început.
@@andreiusatii923 🦧🦧🦧🦧
You are great, thank you so much for your videos. I am a Romanian who moved to Los Angeles 32 years ago. Finally, somebody explains the Romanian history in a way that makes sense.
Thank you.
Thank you for your interest in Romania
I will follow your channel
Appreciated.
The romans ocupied for a short period of time only 14% from the old Dacia ... how in the world could have suddenly replaced dacian with latin as long as the most of the old dacian territory NEVER SAW not even a foot of roman soldier ??
Soldiers spread death not languages. Trade and other types of interactions spread languages. Where the soldiers did not reach, the merchants reached. Let's not forget that Latin was the lingua franca. Would you have wanted the Romans to learn the dacian language so they could get along with the Dacians?
@@valentinovidiucornea4525 Really? Explain me how the roman merchants reached the teritory of the free dacians (that was for the romans the enemy teritory) and mooved freely across the land to make business with ALL of them? And how the roman merchants reached in person the houses of the dacians and convinced the dacian women to speak that aristocratic latin with their kids ?? That language that we know today as ''latin'' was oficial in the roman administration but on the streets of Rome allready they spoke nobody knows how many languages spoken all over the empire....and again...how could they spread latin in the conquered teritorys as long as the majority of the ''roman'' population including soldiers and merchants barely understood and used latin in the daily life??
Trade. Culture. Religion. Roads. All spead languages.
Your math sucks!!!
Banat, Oltenia, Transylvania, Dobrogea, Muntenia, south Bessarabia is 14% of Dacia?
That's a fat lie from the very begining!
Dacia aia exista doar in capul tau bolnav, bolovane
Ben, Italo-Celtic was thoroughly refuted in 1966 by Calvert Watkins.
"It's just not true, I'm sorry."
Objectively false because Gaulish and Latin were not only similar, but shared a mutual level of intelligibility.
Completely wrong and dated, the R1b haplogroup in Italy, especially in the North, proves the opposite and I want to remind you that in Italy there were the Celts and it's not as if after being conquered by the Romans they went elsewhere or we were all exterminated by them , no lol we are still here where we were more than 2000 years ago... (I’m R1b)
Good job, mate. as a Romanian I find this very interesting
Thank you.
One important source to study the history of Transilvania, the early hungairan tax and other letters. From these letters you can see, the origin of the name of a viilage where the tax was collected.. And you mus explain, why the first letters are from the XIII century, where you can see clearly, that the name of the settlement has wlach origin... Second. Look after what was the so called "Wlach rights" in the hungarian kingdom. And what kind of taxes they had to pay. The first arriving wlach shephers were free to use the highland region, what the hungairan have never used. With the sheeps they were free to go everywhere. The Ispan took the tax 1 sheep in evevry year after 50....And these wlach shephers were going on the Charpatians even to today to the 3 boarder Slovaky, Chekia, Polland. In some villages there today it is in Moravia, 150 years ago they spoke, the wlach lengauge used before 1800... So... the romaian lengauge were "reformed" 200 years ago......
The Romanian Language was indeed reformed, but it is indeed still the same language, though a lot changed.
@@BenLlywelyn If that is the same, watch if an aroman is talking to a romanian, what can they understand... The aroman lenguage does not consist that thousends of imported words.. I have some friends from Transilvania, they speak perfect romanian, they hardly undertand, what a wlach or aromanim macedoroman,,,- they have many names - speak....
Another Horthyst troll.👎
@@l.e.i.4111 your sweet mother, my dear! Science,,, do you know what is that?
Romanian is also unique among the Romance languages in having. borrowed a fair number of words from Slavic languages such as Serbian and. Bulgarian . Instead of Si for yes, it has "Da ". Time is. "vreme " but "timp " is also used . There are quite a few other borrowings from Slavic languages , and until fairly recent linguistic reforms , there were far more . And there are also several words derived from Dacian , such as "brinze ", for cheese .
A very rich language with its diverse roots.
The 'Relatinization' of the Romanian language is not what you think it is, Romanian was already very much Latin even before that point. It was just a bunch of loan words entering Romanian (which was already a Romance language) from French which did push up the % of Latin words of the lexical volume but I challenge you to go read texts before the relatinization such as the 'Scrisoarea lui Neacsu' and see how many Slavic vs Latin words you can find.
I read a theory once that the Romanian da could also come from latin "ita" which was a way of saying yes popular in the Balkans.
Da , ia numara tu cuvintele de origine slavica din scrisoarea lui Neacsu . Eu le-am numarat si sunt aproape jumatate - fara formulele de introducere si incheiere care sunt in limba bulgara. Te tii cu dintii de toate aberatiile . Vezi ca in romana , in ziua de azi sunt mult peste 30% cuvinte provenite din franceza , dintre care 22% sunt cuvinte folosite in vorbirea curenta . Ia vezi tu ce cuvinte au inlocuit cele 22% provenite din franceza ! Iti spun eu ca tu ai idei fixe - pe cele provenite din slava . @@akuleet6029
Da is not only Slavic because it exists in Italy. It's obvious that we have it from Bulgaria, the oldest country with the oldest city and culture of Europe.
Sofia is 6000 years old.
Old bulgarians are the ancestors of Greeks and Romanians are the ancestors of Roman's.
I luv this ! You gave an additional instrument to us, clear minded Romanians, to fight against that bs of the protochronism
Excelent și bun.
every time somebody uses ,,ism''s , do not immediately believe him
Do you know the letter of Neascu from 1521???? So, that is the earliest wlach lengauge document.
Yes.
@@BenLlywelyn If you know this letter, compare the tax to the present romanian language.
BTW toarnă, toarnă, frate is perfectly modern Romanian but a turna in modern Romanian usage would mean to pour (meaning something like to pour (some wine etc) in, my brother) original obviously missing the wine part....😊
Nothing wrong with brothers sharing wine.
Inițial verbul A TURNA se referea la recipientul în care era lichidul de vărsat. Toarnă cana cu vin. Toarnă găleata cu apa.
@@arcadie8155 Absolut
Numai din Latină in Romăna sa schimbat înțelesul măcar partial fie ca vprbim de a turna/tornare sau că votbim de torquere /toarce /a intorce
Toarnă, toarnă frate că nu torni de la mă-ta.
Inseamna a intoarce vasul. Vinul sau raul curg, nu toarna.
Carpathian horn (tulnic or bucium) it's way older than the alpenhorn. Those Romansh shepherds from Switzerland originate from Romania.
"Japanese people breath through their nose and sometimes their mouths, Japanese people originate from Romania"
@@UlpianHeritor Pathetic that you have to invoke such nonsense about Japanese or aliens, to combat something true .
All the Latin languages originate in south east Romania on the Danube. We have the best place on the Danube and it's obvious the Latin world started here.
We also speak the cleanest, most ancient Latin like language which makes even the extinct old Latin look modern.
Check the new romanian etimological dictionary made by Mihai Vinereanu and you will be enlightens.
Also, I'm not hating Roman's at all. My grandfather name is Traian.
I have no reason for supporting that Romanian is older than Latin, other than the truth.
I'm not pushed like Ben or Dan Alexe by politics( communists) into creating fantasy stories.
@@UlpianHeritor
Leave us alone 'would be Italian'
OMG Rumansh in Switzerland comes also from the Dacians?
People living in the mountain areas came to similar conclusions about basic intermediate communication tools.
Romanian comes from Dacian. Romans and Slavs made an impact on the language, but none of them managed to replace it entirely. Modern Romanian can be considered at most a half-latinized language due to the continuous latinization since the 19th century.
Complete and utter nonsense.
Nope. Romanian comes from Vulgar Latin. What you wrote is a fabrication.
No doubt Dacian has influenced Romanian, but Romanian is at its core a Latin based Romance language in every way.
@@BenLlywelynEven the old school lingvists that tryed hard to make us look more Latin, found only 20%Latin words in our dictionary.
Now we have The Romanian etimological dictionary just released which proves 72% of the Romanian words are dacian, 7% Latin, 5% slav, 3,5%Greek, 0.6 germanic, 0.5 hungarian.
Prost de bubui !
"Tunica" and "parabola" also exist today in the dictionary of the Romanian language. "tunică" means men's uniform or clothing worn by people in antiquity, and "parabola" means story with moral or religious rhetoric
About : vulgar latin ”parabola” , this word (parabola) was taken in the romanian language as ”parabolă/parabole”
So, This word exists today in the romanian language with several meanings, one of them is ,,, ”PARABOLĂ2, parabole, s. f. Povestire alegorică cu un cuprins religios sau moral; pildă; p. ext. exprimare alegorică, afirmație care cuprinde un anumit tâlc; fabulă, alegorie. - Din fr. parabole, lat. parabola.” ((means in english: Allegorical story with a religious or moral content; parable; allegorical expression, statement that includes a certain interpretation; fable, allegory. - From Fr. parables, lat. parable));
Other similar meaning is ” Vorbire învăluită, neclară.” (means in english: Muffled, slurred speech).
The most used expression in romanian language is : ”tu vorbești în parabole” (you speak in parables, which means you don't speak clearly)
I like the Romanian expressions. Multumesc pentru câ
...Dacian was a sister language to latin slightly similar but not the same ..we didn't get born out of Latin 😂 There's no way ...dacia got conquered only 33% of it initial size ..let me ask you this what does Arabic and Egypt has to do with Latin? They've been conquered in the entire length for far more decades than us 😂..how do you explain that Egypt has nothing to do with Latin but romania does? Yet we haven't been conquered on our entire length and somehow all 100% of the empire forgot our roots language to learn Latin? 😂lolll ..recent discoveries prove that dacians were very respected by the romans ..in fact we are the only conquered "empire" who eventually ruled Rome 😅 2..more than 80% of the so "called Roman sculptures" are actually dacians 😅 3 that is old dacian language...many of us still speak it mostly in Moldavia region they speak the romanian closet to ancient dacian ..you should look at the manuscript wrote by Michael the Great in 1599 you'll be surprised it is 90% the same ...4 the only reason dacians ruled Rome is because they spoke similar languages not entire the same bcs undoubtedly we do have slavic in our language...you look at the bad words 😂in romanian polish and Russian they are identically the same prononciation too
Celtic languages are also sister languages to the Italic
Sorry to burst your bubble. but Romanian did in fact come from Latin. Quit the daco nonsense and come back to reality. Thanks.
@@UlpianHeritor When did Rome rule Moldavia all the way to the Dniester River? Then, why did they forget their mother tongue “dacian-getae” and adopted the eastern version of the vulgar latin as their own language which then survived centuries and actually thousand plus years of Russian and Ottoman occupation with the Austrian occupation of Bucovina / Buchenland in the northernmost area of Moldova? Moldova wasn’t even under the Constantinople rule to say that they adopted the language of Byzantium which was not latin but greek, especially after the great schism.
I’m not a “dacopath” since allot of that stuff they talk about is nothing but a bunch of ‘Bravo-Sierra’, very whacky stuff, but darn it boys and girls, to claim that an entire nation which never ever lived under Roman occupation just decided some two thousand yers ago to willfully forget their mother tongue and adopt latin it’s just as whacky as the dacopathy crap !
@@UlpianHeritor lol 😆 😂 noob go read more
@@hereintranzit they never did ..rome only conquered wallachia ..@ulpian is Arabic latin tooo? Romans were in Egypt for far more years than us ..and Egyptian has nothing but nothing to do with Italian ..how can you pathetically believe after 169 years under roman rule the entire length of the country forgot their own roots religion and language to simply incorporate Latin..its absurd look at Egypt and any other country take England..nothing in English is latin ..or Egypt after 600 years of being conquered in the entire length they still speak Arabic 🙄 🤔 and somehow us only being conquered 33% of our length we forgot everything lmaoo 😂 noobs
Eu sunt da/ci (pronouncietion is the trick) , de aci , de aici ! 😉Just showed you that you read propaganda nothing else ,you know nothing about our language .
Your fishing for wievs/money .
Khazar propaganda.🥇
Khazar?
"De aici".? You can't be serious lol. These are signs of apophenia. Ben knows more about the foundations of Romanian than you and that is a shame because you are supposedly Romanian. Although clearly a very uneducated Romanian.
''Daci'' comes from '"daos'' and ''daoi'' , ''wolf people'', not ''D'aci'' .You watched too much Daniel Roxin and forgot to care about facts.
@@BenLlywelyn Go fish , Im done with you , I was listening to you , you were interesting until you jumped on Khazar boat of the khazar history dillusion . Dan Alexe,George Hodorogea (small hint ,tiny ) and others
@@cristiangaban960 If you say so , but from what I remember they called us Getae not Daoi ,but your the experts here . And Roxin didn't invent anything is just what it is ,nothing elese, and by the way he is not a guru in dacian history , there are people there more educated in the mater . 😉
"The Dahae, also known as the Daae, Dahas or Dahaeans (Old Persian: 𐎭𐏃𐎠, romanized: Dahā; Ancient Greek: Δαοι, romanized: Daoi; Δααι, Daai; Δαι, Dai; Δασαι, Dasai; Latin: Dahae; Chinese: 大益; pinyin: Dàyì;[1] Persian: داهان Dāhān) were an ancient Eastern Iranian nomadic tribal confederation, who inhabited the steppes of Central Asia"
Wait is that DAOI ?
How is your friend Dan Alexe or George Hodorogea ? Say hy to them from me .
Wish to point a detail. Latin horse is "equs" (which gave us the social class of "equites", Roman knights). But vulgar Latin used the gaulish loanword "caballus" (work horse), which gave all those romanse words: caballo (sp), cavallo (it), cheval (fr), cal (ro). But in Romanian, Latin word "equs" also gave the word "iapa", which is a female horse.
Equestrian.
Thank you.
@@BenLlywelynmare is "yegua" in Spanish from the same etymology, even though horse is "caballo"
Well I know there is a conspiracy theory out there saying that Dacian morphed into Latin and then into current day Romanian and that Dacian is the source of Rome but there is a simple argument for this: some old kings of Romania and historians from the 1600s and even earlier than that actually wrote that "noi ne tragem de la ram" (we came from rome, or our origin is in rome) which means that even back in the past, they knew that Romanians came from Rome and not the other way around.... it wasnt Dacians who moved to Rome and then back to Dacia. This is clear evidence that the official version of the origin of Romanians is also the correct one: Romans moved to Dacia, they intermixed and formed the current day Romania.
Being between far off mountains between Kyiv, Costantinople and Rome would have made the middle Danube seem like the furthest wilderness imagineable for much of Europe.
You are 100% right!!!!