Why trans activists are intellectually incoherent - Julie Bindel & Bob Jensen | Action Men

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  • Опубликовано: 11 янв 2024
  • Julie Bindel speaks Bob Jensen who is an academic and writer based in New Mexico. Bob has authored several papers on the damaging and exploitative effects of the porn industry. On the podcast, Julie and Bob's feminist critique of pornography; why they have both become disillusioned by the left and how Bob got cancelled when he weighed into the gender wars.
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Комментарии • 671

  • @mademoiselledusfonctionell1609
    @mademoiselledusfonctionell1609 3 месяца назад +333

    "Men's angry reactions when you don't treat them the way they think they should be treated"
    is just what "trans women" are displaying when women (especially) don't treat them as women.

    • @jennyj0007
      @jennyj0007 3 месяца назад

      They still have that male mentality.

    • @theresas740
      @theresas740 3 месяца назад

      Yeah, they act like the men they are the minute they don't get their way. Congratulations , it's a boy!

    • @ShunyamNiketana
      @ShunyamNiketana 3 месяца назад

      I don't agree past a point. I'm not a man pretending to be a woman and then insisting I be treated as such. But if an angry feminist "treats" me in a prejudicial or antagonistic or simply hostile way, I don't have to accommodate her projections.
      Agreed: biological males don't belong in women's only spaces.

    • @skathwoelya2935
      @skathwoelya2935 3 месяца назад +23

      Hits the nail on the head.

    • @KenishaBarker
      @KenishaBarker 3 месяца назад

      The man posturing and screaming, “IT’S MA’AM!” is quintessential example of the very masculine rage that supposed trans-women display when they are challenged.

  • @MarthaAnthony
    @MarthaAnthony 6 месяцев назад +157

    Nothing says what a misogynistic movement it is more than the threats of violence against women but not men.

    • @lh2435
      @lh2435 3 месяца назад

      I thought the same. It is probably men thinking they are owed sex again.

    • @zadkiel242
      @zadkiel242 3 месяца назад +3

      How else are women going to be put back into their rightful place?

    • @janelliot5643
      @janelliot5643 2 месяца назад +7

      ​​​​@@zadkiel242I think that is the idea; and to make gayness taboo, once again. Isn't it funny how right-wing the achievements have been, anti-woman and anti-gay, for a movement that purports to be leftist?

    • @zadkiel242
      @zadkiel242 2 месяца назад

      @@janelliot5643 Someone has to set things straight right?

    • @ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293
      @ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293 13 дней назад

      Thank you!! I often point out this weird focus on 'defining the word woman' but never pushing these 'non binary college girls' to please 'define the word man'. The disgust and discomfort they all have in being what they are, in being women is so strong that they don't want to BE women. Just think about that for a minute. What on earth is going on? These psychologically troubled, vulnerable kids...this really is the medical scandal of the century. And of course, the greatest scandal in academic institutions I've ever seen. Combined with the normalisation of critical race theory it's just monstrous.

  • @FlamingBasketballClub
    @FlamingBasketballClub 6 месяцев назад +208

    One doesn't have to be a feminist to go against pornography.

    • @lostincredulity5369
      @lostincredulity5369 6 месяцев назад +7

      Agree but I see feminism everywhere these days. I didn’t think identity politics was a right wing play.

    • @morganm4768
      @morganm4768 6 месяцев назад

      @@lostincredulity5369 Feminism is bullshit.

    • @SereneBobcat
      @SereneBobcat 4 месяца назад +25

      Or against rape and violence.

    • @lostincredulity5369
      @lostincredulity5369 4 месяца назад +5

      @@SereneBobcat sadly most rape allegations are false.

    • @Lucie-wb6uz
      @Lucie-wb6uz 4 месяца назад +61

      ​@@lostincredulity5369 no they're not. You have nothing to back that up, it's just a glib, misogynist comment. It is true that most rapes are not reported and that when they are a miniscule amount get to court and very few result in convictions. In the UK it has been irrefutably demonstrated that the number of false reports of rape is in keeping with the number of false reports of other crimes. Around 2%.

  • @MettleHurlant
    @MettleHurlant 3 месяца назад +44

    It’s all about feelings and not facts. You can’t have a rational discussion with an irrational person.

  • @dukecity7688
    @dukecity7688 6 месяцев назад +236

    The refusal to discuss the trans issue is a strategy. Like the way they kicked Bob out of the bookstore. They brag about that. The misogyny behind the trans movement is off the chart.

    • @morganm4768
      @morganm4768 6 месяцев назад +1

      Bullshit.

    • @morganm4768
      @morganm4768 6 месяцев назад

      Gender critical feminists are the ones that block anyone who disagrees with them

    • @unnamed3932
      @unnamed3932 5 месяцев назад

      'Trans' is misogynist and homophobic to its core. LGBw/oTheTQ

    • @SuperKripke
      @SuperKripke 5 месяцев назад

      Yeah the only people discussing this issue is everyone on the internet. So much refusal.

    • @teonactalpizza
      @teonactalpizza 5 месяцев назад

      @@SuperKripkeyet none of the mainstream tv news channels and such will they just gaslight. Nice try tho. Of course the public is discussing it , while the establishment pretends it doesn't exist. Classic leftism. "It's not happening" and "it's a good thing it's happening "

  • @MarthaAnthony
    @MarthaAnthony 6 месяцев назад +114

    What intellectual lightweights the students of today seem to be. I remember really great debates with people with opposing views throughout Uni. It expanded my world view, helped me understand my own position and often changed or broadened that position. In our generations, we did not know where we stood on an issue until we could successfully debate it and either win or make substantive points that well refuted an opposing view. Now days, students have opinions based on what someone told them, do not research it, claim it is backed by science (which they never show), then shout down anyone who they even suspect would disagree. It's not about the truth or the best way forward for everyone, but what serves oneself best and often at the expense of others.

    • @iam1smiley1
      @iam1smiley1 3 месяца назад

      When words end, wars begin. The left can't and won't communicate! Their talking "points" aren't cohesive and make less and less sense the more I try to make any sense of it. I miss the debates of yesteryear and you DIDN'T always get to debate the side you agreed with 😂

    • @hugolindum7728
      @hugolindum7728 3 месяца назад

      This is because many uni professors are in fact Neo Marxist activists rather than researchers.
      This speaker is a perfect example.

    • @TVY2013
      @TVY2013 3 месяца назад +10

      A very good summary of "higher education" then and now.

    • @hugolindum7728
      @hugolindum7728 3 месяца назад

      The problem is guys like this speaker Jensen. A prime example of the Dunning Kruger effect. He writes articles on economics, on biology, psychology - when his only qualifications are in journalism. All his is in reality is a Neo Marxist activist. Can you imagine this guy giving both sides of the story to his classes?

    • @fionawhiteford2128
      @fionawhiteford2128 3 месяца назад +5

      you have nailed it

  • @butch4butch
    @butch4butch 3 месяца назад +146

    Julie Bindel is the OG of gender critical feminism. She took to much backlash from the queer activism faction, and here she is 20 years later being proved right.

    • @gregpresley1466
      @gregpresley1466 3 месяца назад

      Julie is a man hater. That's the reason she has been black balled from society. I agree with her on some issues, such as "Transgenderism". However, she implied in this video, that ALL MEN ARE BAD, but we "are not born this way". That is the most disgusting, man-hating mentality of any feminist I've ever known.

    • @HVS-gk7oo
      @HVS-gk7oo 3 месяца назад +9

      She's a treasure.

    • @b.e.d.e.m.
      @b.e.d.e.m. 3 месяца назад +1

      She's also not "gender critical" as far as I know, she's simply a radical feminist. So-called gender-critical folks are usually randomers from across the political spectrum who don't care about abolishing gender but just want things to go back to good old blue for boys and pink for girls, more or less

    • @urbansetter1
      @urbansetter1 3 месяца назад +1

      That word queer is horrendous too. Im a gay woman queer and the alphabet ruined the gay movement.

    • @TheJollyMisanthrope
      @TheJollyMisanthrope 3 месяца назад +2

      I wish they would just abandon the term feminism altogether. It's synonymous with misandry these days, and I doubt Julie holds that viewpoint.

  • @caro1ns
    @caro1ns 6 месяцев назад +117

    I'm old enough to remember when protesting porn was a normal part of feminism.

    • @morganm4768
      @morganm4768 6 месяцев назад +3

      Who are you to police people looking at porn, Ms Puritan?

    • @caro1ns
      @caro1ns 6 месяцев назад +38

      @@morganm4768 Who said I wanted to police it? I just think everything about it is horrible and soul-destroying, but by all means, you keep at it, hunched over your screen like a little gremlin.

    • @givmi_more_w9251
      @givmi_more_w9251 3 месяца назад +1

      Easy. Back then, women couldn't go on OnlyFans and make 'easy' money 'directly'.

    • @skathwoelya2935
      @skathwoelya2935 3 месяца назад +17

      @@morganm4768 Porn is woman abuse. Personally, I would police it.

    • @abcdeshole
      @abcdeshole 3 месяца назад +1

      You must be pretty old then.

  • @smellybogger
    @smellybogger 6 месяцев назад +98

    This is utterly bananas. And if you ever talk about this to the left they’ll gaslight you and say no one ever gets cancelled?

    • @morganm4768
      @morganm4768 6 месяцев назад +3

      Other people watching porn is none of your business.

    • @joce11
      @joce11 5 месяцев назад

      @@morganm4768 Triggered are you? By any chance do you watch porn?

    • @Famr4evr
      @Famr4evr 4 месяца назад +16

      @@morganm4768until it affects your family.

    • @jenniferlawrence2701
      @jenniferlawrence2701 3 месяца назад +9

      @@morganm4768 No man is an island unto himself.

    • @serpentines6356
      @serpentines6356 3 месяца назад

      ​@@morganm4768 It is when it ruins men having decent relationships towards women, and effects all of society.

  • @skathwoelya2935
    @skathwoelya2935 3 месяца назад +21

    Civilized people discussing current topics is a rare treat. Excellent video.

  • @lh2435
    @lh2435 3 месяца назад +13

    The problem is that there are biological differences between men and women and to pretend they can be educated away completely is dangerous.

  • @iam1smiley1
    @iam1smiley1 3 месяца назад +123

    A man can become a woman but a white person can't be a black person.
    I'm 50 and want to identify as a senior citizen...I feel like one. Can I be a senior citizen and get my old age pension?

    • @mindyourownfuukingbiz6737
      @mindyourownfuukingbiz6737 3 месяца назад +5

      I have too......duuuuuh.......everyone has had bad experiences with agressive abusive men.........BUT I LEARNT THAT IT WAS THE TYPE OF MEN I WAS CHOOSING to be with that was the problem.
      Yes bad people exist and theres little wishing it werent so can change that.
      Not ALL mem( or women) are bad so we NEED to learn THAT AND learn HOW TO DISTINGUISH between bad and good people.
      THAT ....IS....LIFE!!!

    • @serpentines6356
      @serpentines6356 3 месяца назад

      ​@@mindyourownfuukingbiz6737 True.
      The fem movement ruined things for many women too.
      They got all uptight about the bathing suit part in Miss America. Stupid.

    • @chesterdonnelly1212
      @chesterdonnelly1212 3 месяца назад +1

      A man cannot become a woman. Maybe he can become a male without a todger.

    • @formless4541
      @formless4541 3 месяца назад +12

      Ironically race can be fuid unlike sex
      In mixed race

    • @chesterdonnelly1212
      @chesterdonnelly1212 3 месяца назад +8

      A man can become a woman legally, but a man cannot become a woman.

  • @matthewrbetts
    @matthewrbetts 5 месяцев назад +16

    Excellent. I've been looking for a podcast like this for a while without really knowing what to search for - thrilled to find it and delve in. Thanks a million, Julie Bindel et al!

  • @internetfairy1
    @internetfairy1 3 месяца назад +11

    What comes across quite strongly in the stories of being deplatformed without explanation or discussion is where are the grown-ups? It is all so intellectually lightweight and childish.

    • @angelozachos8777
      @angelozachos8777 3 месяца назад +5

      The grown-ups are too distracted with trying to look and feel like a 20 year old 😂

  • @KillerBill1953
    @KillerBill1953 3 месяца назад +38

    I think this applies to all activists, none of them have the best interests of the majority at heart. As the great Thomas Sowell asserts: Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.

    • @Arran1994
      @Arran1994 3 месяца назад +4

      It definitely doesn’t apply to all activists, but I’d agree with the proposition that it’s most. Especially Marxian activists, which pretty much all feminist activists are. It’s all about liberating their respective oppressed identity category, and often, as you said, to the detriment of society-whether said identity category is actually oppressed or not. It always deteriorates to the goal of equal outcomes, which requires the demolishing and subversion of the very societal hierarchies and structures that allow society to function, as well as the active oppression of whoever is perceived as the oppressing identity category. Marxism needs to be viewed in a similar light to Nazism-it’s certainly killed more people, and will again if it’s not stopped.

    • @hoppetosse8
      @hoppetosse8 2 месяца назад

      Nah, that's a populist exaggeration and generalization as well. Doesn't help at all.

  • @roycrosby4941
    @roycrosby4941 6 месяцев назад +31

    The problem with identity politics or the oppression Olympics is that in a race to the bottom a lot of people's feelings get hurt.

    • @bryandaley5738
      @bryandaley5738 3 месяца назад +3

      I am of the opinion that NO ONE can be offended. 'Being offended' is giving POWER to someone you disagree with, who didn't ask for this power, and doesn't deserve it! Don't give it to them. Don't be offended.

  • @miloseveggies8064
    @miloseveggies8064 5 месяцев назад +54

    9:42 well said: "We're trans and we're normal! Now hand over the puberty blockers..."

  • @findmeallways4422
    @findmeallways4422 5 месяцев назад +10

    Please make your knowledge more available by participating on other platforms as well. Thank you for the information.

  • @KH-aug
    @KH-aug 6 месяцев назад +28

    It's wonderful hearing from such thoughtful, really well-spoken gender critics whom I'd never heard of before like Bob Jensen. Very heartening knowing he's fighting the good fight in Austin; he might actually inspire some to think harder and do some learning. Many thanks to him for soldiering on in the face of such mistreatment. Who knew tenure would become so necessary to defend basic ethics and common sense.

    • @morganm4768
      @morganm4768 6 месяцев назад

      Who are you to tell people what to do with their body?

    • @joce11
      @joce11 5 месяцев назад +6

      @@morganm4768 It helps if you understood ethics so perhaps educate yourself on the topic that is of course if you are able to do this.

    • @carolinejohn4537
      @carolinejohn4537 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@morganm4768 Go tell that to the thousands of women and children that are trafficked for porn. Are you REALLY that ignorant!

  • @Larkarran
    @Larkarran 6 месяцев назад +33

    Wonderful conversation, thank you both!

  • @herzl67
    @herzl67 3 месяца назад +32

    There is a major mating crisis and a growing demographic shadow. Its time to support cooperation and long term strategies because without well brought up children there is no future.

    • @moaningpheromones
      @moaningpheromones 3 месяца назад +1

      only in small affluent pockets of the planet - the majority of poor nations are firing out babies like fury.

    • @tashak.4186
      @tashak.4186 3 месяца назад +1

      Leftists generally don’t breed, I guess we can be thankful they aren’t passing on their genes at least.

    • @OrangeAveng3r
      @OrangeAveng3r 2 месяца назад

      Personally I think thats the end game. Its what they want. What ever happened to all the people crying about overpopulation for 20 years? They started supporting trans ideology instead. Bill Gates is a good example.

  • @iamanomas
    @iamanomas 5 месяцев назад +13

    It starts in the family. Parents need to educate themselves so that when raising sons and daughters, humanity, kindness, understanding and etc are the values being imparted.

    • @Famr4evr
      @Famr4evr 4 месяца назад +6

      Yes! This is where it starts! With the family.

    • @hugolindum7728
      @hugolindum7728 3 месяца назад

      Either you’ve never raised kids or you’ve never read any biology.

    • @ingweking8748
      @ingweking8748 3 месяца назад

      ​@@hugolindum7728Nooo

  • @FrancisJacquerye
    @FrancisJacquerye 6 месяцев назад +17

    I think you can get more men on board by showing how it is not a tug of war. At the moment, each side sees it as a zero sum game, where if one side wins, the other one looses.
    If you can present it as a win-win, it will be easier to get everyone to align.

    • @deldarma4509
      @deldarma4509 6 месяцев назад

      There is a big antiporn movement coming from men, but their concerns are not really about the violence against women that it presents and encourages and more about the sexual and social consequences it has for men themselves :
      - the epidemic of erectile dysfunction amongst young men,
      - incapacity to achieve orgasm without pornography or masturbation (a lot of men cannot achieve orgasm inside their partners because of decreased sensitivity or "death grip syndrome"),
      - porn addiction ruining their relationships,
      - the decreased in their drive to seduce women or to have actual sex,
      - decrease in drive to do... anything at all (depression and retreat into the self),
      - needing more and more violence and degradation in the porn they watch to achieve anything and ending up looking at fetishistic content, rape videos, snuff films, content relating to pedophilia,
      - a lot of increase in strange paraphilias from young men due to porn wrapping their tastes from a young age (sissy hypno porn, autogenyphilia etc etc),
      - the hentai guys not even being attracted to "3d women" anymore,
      - decreased capacity to feel romantic love for their partner,
      You can find those communities on reddit communities like r/antiporn or from initiatives like "fight the new drug"

    • @Camille_Anderson
      @Camille_Anderson 3 месяца назад

      We need each other & we are wasting time, money and energy with the man v woman battle. We should unite to improve our species.

    • @blisterfingers8169
      @blisterfingers8169 3 месяца назад

      Excuse me, I'm off to join some TRA group just to be on any other side than Bindel.

    • @hoppetosse8
      @hoppetosse8 2 месяца назад

      I think you are expressing exactly the false concept of feminsm (a tug of war) they both adress in the video. Men are also suffering from patriarchy and patriarchal ways of thinking which are deeply ingrained in our souls.

  • @polymathable
    @polymathable 6 месяцев назад +9

    we are listening to your talks! Keep going!

  • @mar7435
    @mar7435 6 месяцев назад +11

    Great talk I love the points you raise and thank you for sharing with us the responces you've recieved. I feel less alone now as I have shared similiar questions and been bullied by people of the trans movement myself. As a non bianary person I feel that these questions are fair and honest and need to be answered and discussed logically without throwing hate around... I have never experienced such hate as I experienced going to an LGBTQ meeting and being told something was wrong with me because I was ok with my body and that I should want to be trans. Why must everything be sexualized?

    • @carolinejohn4537
      @carolinejohn4537 5 месяцев назад

      Because unfortunately, the lunatics have taken over the asylum so now you can expect nothing but lunacy!

    • @Camille_Anderson
      @Camille_Anderson 3 месяца назад +3

      I agree. They also argue that the sex organs are not how you gender someone.....whilst saying they are in the wrong body and want a sex change.

  • @shombela2
    @shombela2 3 месяца назад +12

    Thought- provoking interview, thanx.
    You ask the important question of how to interest men in the aims of feminism?
    For what its worth, and speaking as a man:
    1) The term itself, 'feminism' , is problematic for many men. Unfortunately, and to the detriment of men and women, the term is widely understood as being hostile and anti man, 2) Is it not time for a radical rebranding? Is it not time to present its principles and values as 'redeeming' and enlightening and beneficial not only to men but the whole of society? 3) Finally, the shift came for me when I grasped that every woman is at some level my 'sister' and I, their 'brother'...We can disagree and become frustrated with each other, but to routinely disrespect or exploit each other, , is not normal - it is a sign of 'family' unwelness and 'maladjustment'.

    • @theresas740
      @theresas740 3 месяца назад

      While I understand your input, no, it is not time for us to water ourselves down and erase ourselves or take "fem" out to be "more inclusive" or less threatening. If calling ourselves feminist, if centering the rights, concerns and needs of women
      "is problematic for many men," I dont see how men hung up on the simple NAME of our movement are ever going to help us. It is not time to "present its principles as 'redeeming'" whatever that means. If it means make it more palatable so the boys will play with us,
      All aboard the OhHellNo Train to F*ThatS*Ville!

    • @shombela2
      @shombela2 3 месяца назад +4

      So as a matter of interest, which part of my input do you actually 'understand'?
      I could provide many examples, but do you have any idea what it feels like to be the 20 year old, new father, who wants to co-parent, but is repeatedly excluded by hostile 'feminist', anti-male, social workers? 'How could the 'perpetrator' possibly care'? (eye roll). Or to be only opposing voice in room full of seething 'feminists' advocating for the virtues of sex work as a legit career path for young women....
      Like any worthwhile cause, the so-called 'feminist' movement has its fair share of skeletons in the cupboard, and strategic cul-de-sacs....methinks it's time for thoughtful reflection on strategic partnerships going forward.....

    • @hoppetosse8
      @hoppetosse8 2 месяца назад

      That's a good point. The term itself stresses the feminine side of it (women) although it's more about overcoming patriarchy which is structurally ingrained in everyone and we all have struggles to overcome those patterns. And thanks for opposing / questioning sex work. :)

  • @marcielynn4886
    @marcielynn4886 5 месяцев назад +35

    Post op 32 years, never an activist. Stayed in my lane.

    • @blah914
      @blah914 4 месяца назад +20

      being a normal person that minds their business and lives their best life is a rarity. All the best to you and yours.

    • @shylinh5939
      @shylinh5939 4 месяца назад +6

      Should you want to, I hope you feel free to openly express that without fear of being attacked for internalised transphobia, etc. Because from what I've observed, that is the experience for people who take the position you do.

    • @Anne_Onymous
      @Anne_Onymous 3 месяца назад +20

      When I used to be supportive of trans people, it was to support people like you. I went from being an "ally" to being revoIted by anything related to the -community- cuIt. Sad.

    • @theresas740
      @theresas740 3 месяца назад +2

      Love you, Sister!

    • @gundawollnick2361
      @gundawollnick2361 3 месяца назад +2

      @@Anne_Onymousyou can still be supportive of normal, sane people, no?! I don’t understand that. Many people in the ‘community’ don’t like how a loud minority really bugger up their peaceful, respectful life. No need for that.

  • @danieltalbot8070
    @danieltalbot8070 6 месяцев назад +47

    Bindel as brilliant as ever!

  • @WonderfulWorldofAwesomeness
    @WonderfulWorldofAwesomeness 3 месяца назад +14

    I don’t see why Rachel Dolezal can’t call herself black when she grew up with black kids, and this is how she feels about herself. After all, it’s a culture, not a race, really. She has more of a claim to her identity than people who claim to “feel” female. What does it mean to feel female? I’ve been female my entire life, and I don’t know what it means. Am I feeling female when I got picked last for softball in high school? Am I feeling female when I had my period? Am I feeling female when I wanted to wear a cute dress and when I was attracted to a cute boy? I suspect it’s these last two things that make people who aren’t female believe they “feel female.”

  • @tchocky71
    @tchocky71 3 месяца назад +16

    I actually disagree with this endearing assertion, 'You can be a real man or you can be a human being'! I think the men who inherently think as Bob Jenson espouses here, and live in the way that honours it, are absolutely, 1000% REAL MEN! A 'real' is secure and doesn't need to prove anything about themself.
    Thank you for this beautiful, encouraging, educational and edifying interview, Julie Bindel and Bob Jenson.

    • @spurge83
      @spurge83 3 месяца назад +2

      Yes but Bob just defers to women for a fee, which is fine if you are an academic in our woke universities. Not so much if you wish to be sexually active or actually have a life purpose beyond a doormat.

    • @MiniHarpist
      @MiniHarpist 3 месяца назад

      Ironically one of those moronic statements that keep men from feminism.

  • @sherylwhite2201
    @sherylwhite2201 3 месяца назад +4

    Loved this! Thanks Julie and thanks Bob ❤

  • @paulaitchison2470
    @paulaitchison2470 5 месяцев назад +24

    Ms Bindel is the charming seductive face of feminism, and because of her charm and intelligence, a great interviewer. I love this series, and applaud The Spectator for affording her this platform 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

    • @spurge83
      @spurge83 3 месяца назад

      Great sarcasm there

  • @doctorfuse007
    @doctorfuse007 3 месяца назад +6

    Thank you for this discussion.

  • @blackeyedturtle
    @blackeyedturtle 3 месяца назад

    Thank you for creating and posting this conversation.

  • @lizzysmith5365
    @lizzysmith5365 5 месяцев назад +4

    Great conversation!!

  • @patricknoble3090
    @patricknoble3090 3 месяца назад +6

    Great interview!

  • @karengarling8035
    @karengarling8035 4 месяца назад +6

    Spot on.

  • @Lycaerix
    @Lycaerix 3 месяца назад +32

    Unfortunately, the people who kept participating in the lie and believed themselves to be kind are the ones who paved the way for the onslaught on the rights, boundaries, and 'identities' of others. A reminder that participating in lies only ever feeds lies.

  • @pluffer241
    @pluffer241 3 месяца назад +3

    You could "talk to him forever". I could listen to him for long periods of time.

  • @missp498
    @missp498 6 месяцев назад +40

    Julie is a heroine of mine. Thank you Julie for your Northern strong woman, thoughtful but no nonsense approach to life and for all the important work you do.

    • @morganm4768
      @morganm4768 6 месяцев назад

      She's an idiot

    • @aclark903
      @aclark903 6 месяцев назад +5

      Yeah, insulting men in the opening seconds is sure gonna build allies..

    • @missp498
      @missp498 6 месяцев назад

      Yet the whole series about honoring male allies. LOL Plus I just watched the first three minutes an there was no insult. So what are you talking about?@@aclark903

  • @sharonhodkinson2011
    @sharonhodkinson2011 3 месяца назад +12

    Thank you, my feminism is reinforced and as strong as ever after listening to this conversation.

  • @ChekhovBla
    @ChekhovBla 6 месяцев назад +4

    Great interview

  • @pluffer241
    @pluffer241 3 месяца назад +4

    Love your lack of ego Bob Jensen. Great clarity.

  • @charlenepomicter5345
    @charlenepomicter5345 3 месяца назад +3

    Lovely interview! Thank you😊❤

  • @loushark6722
    @loushark6722 3 месяца назад +1

    Thanks both of you

  • @fionawhiteford2128
    @fionawhiteford2128 3 месяца назад +2

    brill ,quality discussion ..i will watch this again .thanks

  • @margaretlawrence3385
    @margaretlawrence3385 3 месяца назад +5

    Lovely chap!

  • @brianjones3191
    @brianjones3191 3 месяца назад +4

    Bob touched on the real issue, by advocating nurturing, or being a good role model for boys.
    The real issue is parenting of all children and especially of infants. It is a mess. We see the results all the time, everywhere-good and bad.
    Anything else is shutting the barn doors after the horses have bolted.
    Or herding cats, to be less defeatist.

  • @suedeyvu
    @suedeyvu 6 месяцев назад +17

    Great conversation, could listen to you both all day!

  • @michaelroper4238
    @michaelroper4238 5 месяцев назад +3

    Excellent discussion

  • @eskalaishon
    @eskalaishon 2 месяца назад +1

    I listened to your talk! I have not heard of some of the topics you speak about, but I think you have made me realize that I am a feminist, by the way that I respect my wife and treat her as my equal.
    Thank you to you both, for deep and important information about women and men ( and transgender ideology ).

  • @YellowfinGrouper
    @YellowfinGrouper 3 месяца назад +2

    Very thought provoking discussion.

  • @littlecatfeet9064
    @littlecatfeet9064 3 месяца назад +19

    #TerfsWereRight

  • @janwhite1361
    @janwhite1361 3 месяца назад +3

    SMART & INTERESTING
    (THE BOTH OF YOU )

  • @SarahCrummy
    @SarahCrummy 2 месяца назад

    I love this series, I really wish there were more places I could listen to Julie and Bob

  • @sallymjmj750
    @sallymjmj750 3 месяца назад

    I appreciate hearing from both of you. The trans movement has caused many to realize that many who would not normally think of themselves as allies, absolutely are in this area. Liberals and conservatives. Julie, I’ve seen you with Douglas Murray. The trans movement threatens women, no matter our politics. I’ve noticed the working together is happening more. A couple years ago, it was so depressing mit seemed like we were losing so much. In the last couple of years, there has been a lot more working together and we’ve accomplished a lot more. I know we have many differences, but we’re on the same page on the trans thing. Thank you for your message.

  • @paulmead5832
    @paulmead5832 6 месяцев назад +58

    I'm a 70yo man who thinks porn is utterly pointless. It's like looking at an ad for a plate of spaghetti: it looks attractive but I can never eat it.

    • @luckyjayakody
      @luckyjayakody 6 месяцев назад +12

      Seriously man. 100%.

    • @vira1340
      @vira1340 6 месяцев назад

      There are 3 billion men who can prive you wrong. Porn has more net traffic traffic thank all other sites put together. You are wrong snd your opinions don't matter.

    • @balalaika852
      @balalaika852 5 месяцев назад

      Way to miss the point. It's like saying sweatshops are pointless because people there don't produce quality clothes. Sweatshops are bad not because they don't produce the desired effect, it's because they are synonymous with human rights abuses. Same with porn. You're 70 and still think with your dick.

    • @lovelover4408
      @lovelover4408 5 месяцев назад

      Except imagine the ad for spaghetti was addictive and contributed to s3x trafficking

    • @BarnabyWild13
      @BarnabyWild13 3 месяца назад +4

      “That’s not how this works, that’s not how any of this works!”

  • @m.nonymous5173
    @m.nonymous5173 3 месяца назад +1

    This stuff ive been trying to explain to people for years!

  • @IngeEvenwel
    @IngeEvenwel 6 месяцев назад +17

    😊Love your channel. No bias. Reasoning that makes sense. Take care

  • @nicolasaad2184
    @nicolasaad2184 3 месяца назад +6

    The cancel culture we have today sprang out of the political correctness of the 80's or 90's. It started with not being allowed to use words like "postman" or "busboy" and now we aren't allowed to point out facts.
    Thank you so much, Bob, for the excellent critique of the trans ideology.

  • @megankwisdom
    @megankwisdom 6 месяцев назад +8

    Great conversation thank you

  • @ktwashere5637
    @ktwashere5637 3 месяца назад +3

    I would have always considered myself to be "left" wing but am being pushed to the right. I think that the definitions of right and left have changed to the point where they are not recognisable to older people, ie over 40.

  • @paulmead5832
    @paulmead5832 6 месяцев назад +21

    It's a joy listening to you both. You're so calm and level-headed.
    Paul
    Man
    New Zealand

    • @incurableromantic4006
      @incurableromantic4006 6 месяцев назад +2

      Yes talking about "white supremacy" in a society that hates whites and patriarchy in a society that hates men is just *so* level headed. 🙄

    • @joce11
      @joce11 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@incurableromantic4006 English please? (pun intended).

  • @laluna5548
    @laluna5548 2 месяца назад +1

    As a recently graduated MD who is also extremely left-wing, I have been criticising the trans movement for years and have argues with many (I live in Europe) on gender-affirming surgery. I am blown away by this interview! Please: Which three BOOKS on feminism would you two recommend I read on feminism and the key topics connected to it (feminist critique of pornography, surrogacy and prostitution)?

  • @mikalina1
    @mikalina1 6 месяцев назад +25

    Excellent series, more of the same! JB is a legend, and Bob joins the long list of brave people, who have done absolutely NOTHING WRONG!

    • @morganm4768
      @morganm4768 6 месяцев назад

      No, she's an unhinged radical feminist.

  • @uncleskipsprairiejustice9367
    @uncleskipsprairiejustice9367 3 месяца назад +3

    Nope. I'm fully human and a real man. Not a "real man". A real man. Pretty much agree with everything else.

  • @281992pdr
    @281992pdr 5 месяцев назад +15

    I find the trans movement's arguments and actions to be exasperatingly illogical. There is a glaring distortion of language e.g. a dismissal (maybe it is because of ignorance) of the use of metaphor and simile. The metaphor saying "transwomen" are women - plainly false - is not even acknowledged as a metaphor, let alone an invalid one. The simile "transwomen are (superficially) like women" is plainly true (and yes more nuanced that those few words indicate) and utterly ignored. Transwoman is not a synonym for woman. Transman is not a synonym for man. I think those two examples are illustrative of the intellectual incoherence of trans ideology. A further incoherence, this time in law, is the concept of 'doli incapax' or the principle that children (and yes the legislated ages vary) are incapable of criminal responsibility because their reasoning, and understanding of the consequences of their wants and actions, are not yet fully developed. Notwithstanding that, under the rubric of 'gender affirmation' such momentous processes as taking puberty blockers and undergoing transsexual surgery are taken to be fully informed. One of the most idiotic trans assertions is that someone has been 'born in the wrong body'. We have restrictions for chidren regarding: tobacco, drugs alcohol etc but (mostly) not for transitioning. In 'transworld' contradictions abound.

  • @pseudonamed
    @pseudonamed 8 дней назад

    Thanks for covering this

  • @pluffer241
    @pluffer241 3 месяца назад +2

    Julie you interrupted where Bob was going with his point a few times. It's very annoying, i wanted to hear him finish.

  • @smartiepancake
    @smartiepancake 6 месяцев назад +5

    Getting there but still pretty insufferable.

  • @AlexaOleksa
    @AlexaOleksa 3 месяца назад +2

    In my language sex and gender are same word, and language is gendered, it makes it so much easier to not to let this bulshit in) just because there can't be linguistic and mental gymnastics made to differentiate woman and female

  • @hoppetosse8
    @hoppetosse8 2 месяца назад +2

    I agree with most of the things said, also with the views voiced by Julie Bindel, Helen Joxce and Kathleen Stock etc on other occasions.
    In addition I want to share a few thoughts. I hope I can express them halfway ok, as english isn't my motherlanguage.
    I think the comparison to blackfacing / whites trying to impersonate black or indigenous is partly a good comparison and partly not. It works with men claiming to be women, but less with women claiming to be men. As men like whites are in general structurally priviledged, but women (who claim to be men) are not. On the other hand ftm trans people aren't those who are so much offended and fighting gender critical people so hard. Also they aren't part of the discussion in most cases. Again biological women or ftms aren't often even recognized/mentioned in these discussions in th general public although especially young women are the bigger group wanting to transition (often (not always) due to body disphoria due to mysoginist environments/experiences) .
    Imo this whole development is a sign of the patriarchy in it's late (maybe? hopefully?) endstate.
    I see all these gender affirming operations and medical interventions (at least in it's masses of cases) in comparision to how we as humans treat the earth. Our minds think we can do everything with the earth / our bodies (-> a weaker form is the beauty industry with it's beauty ops) instead of accepting, loving and honoring reality/the material world. And with saying this I don't want to blame individuals who really feel a lot body dyphoria. It's just more the societal level of our minds I want to adress.
    Regarding gender ideology which comes up with a new identy each month, mostly among young people but also older ones joining in - I'm wondering whether this is some sort of mental overkill too (thinking that you can do every with the body/earth is mental overkill for me). People are searching and searching in deep despair to define themselves and trying to find the most individual identities possible. Individualism is especially a western trait of the ego being entagled in your feelings and hurts...
    All this instead of just realizing you are a soul in a male or female body.
    The stressing of ideologies and mind over body are also very patriarchal ways of being/thinking.
    As many have already stated there are other signs of patriarchy involved - the medical industry -> capitalism and also the backlash of gender roles -> you must be trans when you express thoughts, habits and behavior fitting to gender clichees of the opposite sex.
    oh, and Bob's criticism of the left being a liberal movement stressing the individual approach instead of structural criticism and the incoherence between saying you aren't ill, but demanding medical treatment was eyeopening. Thanks for that!

  • @Cladina_Green
    @Cladina_Green 6 месяцев назад +8

    Thank you for mentioning the violins in this movement. YT bans my comments if I use true words.
    I myself was a*s*s*a*u*l*t*e*d by a TPA in Nanaimo

    • @Shimamon27
      @Shimamon27 6 месяцев назад +6

      Yes, I noticed this too, RUclips and Reddit do not allow anyone to question the identity cult.

    • @Famr4evr
      @Famr4evr 4 месяца назад +2

      I’m sorry.

  • @lw1zfog
    @lw1zfog 3 месяца назад +2

    ‘REEEEEEEEEE!’ 😂

  • @acerrubrum5749
    @acerrubrum5749 3 месяца назад +3

    ❤Julie Bindle ❤

  • @JakShadwin
    @JakShadwin 3 месяца назад +2

    I didn't agree with many points of this video, but that final statement of "you can be a man or a human but not both" is absolute garbage.

    • @transwomenaresexistmen
      @transwomenaresexistmen 2 месяца назад +2

      Yeah, it sure is. It could have been stated better. Real men and human beings are synonymous. Colonized men and human beings are not.

  • @egioch
    @egioch 6 месяцев назад +4

    Why don't you all just keep it in your own bedroom?

    • @hoppetosse8
      @hoppetosse8 2 месяца назад

      Why don't you just stop stealing your own time by listening to something you don't like? Stick to your own advice.

  • @charlesbrown1365
    @charlesbrown1365 2 месяца назад +1

    I tell men what’s good for the goose is good for the gander ; if women aren’t happy , men won’t be happy . Treating women well is in men’s self-Interest ; must appeal to self-interest.

  • @jamesc7019
    @jamesc7019 3 месяца назад +3

    Aged 6 I went to a battered wives hostel with my mum and we were rejected because some of the women opposed me and my 4 yr old brother staying there. It was such a shock being told they saw us as a danger.

  • @alemswazzu
    @alemswazzu 3 месяца назад +2

    So MLK's vision shouldn't be upheld?
    This extra focus on race is why we're further divided than before Obama (on race).

  • @ralucadriga8831
    @ralucadriga8831 8 дней назад

    This video had 666 comments and I felt uncomfortable, so here I am. P.S., Julie, I want to write my dissertation based on your work, so hopefully I will be able to get in contact with you. Law student here.

  • @PleaseNThankYou
    @PleaseNThankYou 3 месяца назад +3

    Intellectually incoherent, at least. Low T with the men; high narcissism with the women.

  • @judelee9658
    @judelee9658 6 дней назад

    Oh, I am enjoying this video *so* much! It's wonderful to find like minds with people who are fighting, in the trenches if you will, against ignorance and how some feminists and left-leaning individuals just don't get how illogical the majority of trans movement. This has been true always. I used to "visit" Trans newsgroups over 20 years ago and they bickered constantly on what trans was and, of course, each individual believed their own experience was the only experience. Also, they *almost never* talk about why they are trans. There was a study of 12 brains of f-t-m trans, about 15 or more years old by now, show that there is an abnormality in the hypothalamus in the brain of transsexuals. They seem to just want to believe in trans magic. to explain why they exist.

  • @janebennetto5655
    @janebennetto5655 6 месяцев назад +24

    Julie- the Labour Leader seems to have allowed his daughter to identify as his son. In a recent interview he says he has two ‘boys’ - 13 yrs and 16 yrs old. How can we trust a leader who clearly is lying and captured by gender ideology?

    • @pepegalego
      @pepegalego 6 месяцев назад

      Politicians no longer represent mainstream beliefs or people. They are talking to the minorities who are active on social media because political parties today don't know how to govern, they are election-winning machines.

    • @harrietcanwell2058
      @harrietcanwell2058 6 месяцев назад

      Keir Starmer has pretty much announced that he has a child pretending to be the opposite sex. This is a huge issue for the electorate but there’s no sign of it in mainstream media. Censorship is rife!

    • @morganm4768
      @morganm4768 6 месяцев назад +2

      Who exactly are you to police people's language?

    • @pepegalego
      @pepegalego 6 месяцев назад

      And you?@@morganm4768

    • @joce11
      @joce11 5 месяцев назад +11

      @@morganm4768 Better still, how about answering your own question? Cleary you do not understand irony. LMFAO.

  • @johnjosmith42
    @johnjosmith42 6 месяцев назад +10

    this was excellent, thank you

  • @doyle6000
    @doyle6000 6 месяцев назад +6

    I just scrolled down the comments and the first comment was spam promoting porn!!

  • @laurastevenson9380
    @laurastevenson9380 2 месяца назад +1

    Julie Bindel is my heroine.

  • @bastetowl3258
    @bastetowl3258 Месяц назад

    some of us don’t want anything to do with men but it’s not about seeking protection from other men. it’s just living life with as little interaction with men as possible. men should be helping each other to be better. women shouldn’t have to deal with that emotional labor

  • @DelSimmons
    @DelSimmons 3 месяца назад

    I found this enjoyable on two fronts. First, I’m thrilled to see people recognizing and discussing (as these two have for a long time) that this ridiculous trans ideology is truly intellectually incoherent and also truly damaging to the rights of women that have been hard fought and won, but are now slipping away.
    Secondly, I found it truly amusing to hear this obviously intelligent gentleman make multiple comments about capitalism as if it were some type terrible idea instead of system of voluntarily association and economic interaction that has consistently raised more people out of starvation and deep poverty than any other idea that a human mind developed. And then throw in a few ‘comrades’, etc. and we see that, even though get clearly gets the serious threats posed to women’s rights by trans ideology, he clearly doesn’t have a damn clue about basic economics and the inherent problems with socialism/communism and its refusal to acknowledge basic human nature..
    😂👏👏👏

  • @hifijohn
    @hifijohn 2 месяца назад

    Its an ideology, and ideologies don't have to make any sense.

  • @stacyyoust
    @stacyyoust Месяц назад

    Why am I radical again???

  • @markhodgkinson1737
    @markhodgkinson1737 10 дней назад

    Most of these people I have seen in the media come across as self indulgent narcissists.

  • @OddawallWood
    @OddawallWood 3 месяца назад

    Why do people say, "dirty pictures?" when they mean, "pornography." I have a theory, which I discovered thirty years ago when I attended the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. With one exception, the janitorial staff kept the show immaculately clean. I found the exception at the auditorium dedicated to pornography. It smelled like stale tobacco and whisky, which came from the cigarette butts in the over flowing ashtrays and the used beverage containers that also littered the table. So I figure "dirty smell" equals "dirty pictures."

    • @demonvictim
      @demonvictim 3 месяца назад

      Nope dirty pictures is not from the dusty smell but from when porn was printed the dry splurge that would crumple up the paper and give it a weird feel if it's been used a couple of times

  • @cobbler88
    @cobbler88 2 месяца назад

    I appreciate the identification of how trans "thinking" can not reconcile with itself, but I'm not sure I'm buying into assertions about what is proper behavior in various cases.
    And the repeated assertions regarding how the patriarchy is just woven into things comes off a bit as off-handed excuse making.
    Regarding our biological sex driving us toward this and that, it can be a little complicated. But we can't deny the studies that have shown that the more egalitarian society becomes in the West, the more the sexes freely choose to gravitate toward more "traditional" capacities and interests, in general.
    It was good to hear people were able to see past the guest's bravado and masculinity, though.
    I would put forth that women are not blameless regarding how many men react negatively when treated a certain way. There's a reason they view themselves through the eyes of others. You'd think a group that mistakenly blames the patriarchy for them feeling as though they have to cater to modern beauty standards would be more open minded to that.

  • @count69
    @count69 3 месяца назад +1

    Remember Mylo...

  • @fabritius666
    @fabritius666 3 месяца назад +2

    Real men protect women.

    • @unowen-nh9ov
      @unowen-nh9ov 2 месяца назад

      Real women procreate men, & trans women, in fact ALL of us!

  • @OrangeAveng3r
    @OrangeAveng3r 2 месяца назад

    "Theres nothing wrong with us" I'd love to see the statistics on how many trans people are on SSI or another form of paid disability.

  • @terryperusse8328
    @terryperusse8328 6 месяцев назад +14

    Julie is simply the greatest. My heroine and inspiration. Even with her prejudice against panettone

    • @spurge83
      @spurge83 6 месяцев назад +2

      She is prejudiced against men, which should ring more alarm bells.

    • @gleroyTullySAEHEYKID
      @gleroyTullySAEHEYKID 5 месяцев назад +1

      hero

  • @azul9655
    @azul9655 2 месяца назад

    I don't know what I believe as far as the trans ideology... For me, so long as you're mentally well and an adult (over 25) then it's fine if you're trans. I like to listen to both sides, but I'm really tired of the animosity, lack of debates and "cancellation,". I wish we could just talk, do research and come to an understanding, but each day I feel more and more hopeless in humankind and it's ability to solve problems without tearing each other apart.

  • @georgekaknes
    @georgekaknes 2 месяца назад

    And it has taken stuff from. It's taking our right to be men away.