PCGS is flaky lately IMO. NGC a decent consistent grader. If you wanted to see something that would be of extreme interest, instead of sending to PCGS, make a submission to CACG! Crack a few of them out of ANACS and send them.
Finally! Someone with some sanity around the "Cleaning" designation. When you said that you don't think cleaning should be designated unless it shows, I almost cheered out loud. Nice video, Sir!
Brother, I applaud you for making these videos. I know you spend so much in each video and spend more time. With that being said, you have my 👍🏾 and subscription. Thank you!
I think the most telling comparison would be to break out the contol group including the 1/2 with the milk spot, and break out just the cleaned EZest group. Those should be enough for an accurate realistic comparison. Thank you for your expense and work, you are making a great breakthrough in the understanding of the numismatic hobby!
Rocky 8 years ago I sent in a coin done with acetone, a multiple thousand dollar coin and it came back 1 grade higher putting it in top pop at NGC. Good video and your view on things is excellent.
I went with the proofs because my assumption is that if cleaning will be detected then it’s gonna be most evident on a proof coin. I am going to do some variation of this with PCGS as well. Maybe NGC down the road
I have used acetone to clean coins, and I have dipped coins(quick dipped) that I have had graded by PCGS with no problems. After all, NGC and PCGS call it coin restoration when they do it.
Try soaking a few tarnished pennies for 5 minutes in white vinegar and then, before rinsing, rub lightly with a wet baking soda paste. Works very well and does not scratch the coins.
I think the best way to do this test is to send in a proof set uncleaned and a circulation set uncleaned to PCGS. Another uncleaned proof and circulated set to ANACS and another uncleaned proof and circulated set to GCS. Get them back. Notate the grades. Clean and resubmit all the same sets again. Then analyze your results. This would be a very small sample size. For a proper test you would need a lot more submissions.
I recently cracked a details coin (very, very minor wheel mark) from PCGS and sent it to ANACS. I had it at a 64 details with the wheel mark and ANACS sent it back as a MS62. I'll take the net grade on a market acceptable coin any day. Edit: I dip everything I send in for grading in acetone to make sure there is no PVC residue. I also sent some clad to ANACS after using MS70 recently and they all straight graded as well.
You are allowed to properly conserve coins. An improperly conserved coin is a "Cleaned" coin. Not surprised that the Ezest proof silver coins did so well as that is where that product really does such a great job. Dipping is totally acceptable when done right. Loved the experiment. Cheers!
Thank you for posting the results! If I wasn't poor, I'd offer to donate some $ towards breaking them out and sending to PCGS. Like you said, that is the most valid way to do it. No new control needed as you already have one. Funny though... I don't own a single graded coin.
A couple years ago I saw an article on NGC's website by a person that did restorations for them. They came out and said that they used MS-70 and other chemicals in this process. More recently I've had a friend that also does restorations that has a coin shop. And I believe he does them for NGC but what he told me is that they have a machine which will blow air across the coin and sense whether it has any residue on it. Typically that's the first thing they do and if it does have residue then it will get a details grade. This residue can include even fluoride that's in tap water. So after that they proceed to use whatever chemicals they determine are required for that particular coin but before they ship it back in a new holder they thoroughly wash it in distilled water. So I would suggest using distilled water as the last stage in your process and make sure that a soft cloth is used to dry the coin so it doesn't have any spots.
That’s interesting. I don’t have city water. I actually have a cistern. So maybe that’s why my rinsing hasn’t caused issues. Someone told me a long time ago that they rinsed their coin and received a details grade so that could be why. When I rinse I rinse for quite some time.
I would think that if using ditilled water the final rimnse would create a perfect enviroment for oxidation on any metal surface. i would be wanting more along the line of preservation of the coin superceding as long a there is no damage done to the quality of the coin. Any comments?mabey using a thin light oil or wax petroleum based to prevent corrosion ..any comments?
A clean coin is a clean coin. To me it's all the more impressive if a coin can be circulated, cleaned and be as clean as uncirculated. The history of the coin and the pockets it's passed through is what interests me.
Nickels are tough LOL Man I am super loving this video, it says everything I've been telling people for four years is true. Multiple arguments with coin collectors. You can clean a coin as long as you abide by PGCS rules 92 and 94. To the average person I laugh and wish them luck. Pay a little extra and get REMBRANDT, just so you can't mess up you know.
The way I do it depends on the issue. I’ve learned that acetone removes PVC damage well. Just soak it a little. It then use a Q tip then rinse with distilled water. For 99% of my cleaning I dab it with MS70 and let it soak for a few seconds then VERY LIGHTLY move the Q-tip over the surface. I go back and forth and circles. Do this to both sides and the rim, then rinse with distilled water. I don’t use distilled water but I don’t have city water and I’ve been told PCGS has a tool that can determine something in the water. I would guess it’s fluoride. So better safe than sorry, just use distilled.
Great video my man 😅 Been excited to watch this since the "cleaning" video ! I know guys that have submitted the same morgans a few times to pcgs that came back DETAILS, until it didn't and was finally straight graded 😮 Did it suddenly become uncleaned ?.., of course not ! ANACS now, ANACS tomorrow!
The DID become UNcleaned🤣🤣 lol... Perfectly added comment🤣. Maybe (just maybe 😌) someone 'different' at PCGS looked at it/them the last time🤔... again.... maybe😌
I'm a big fan of ANACS because I'm an error collector, and most errors come in ANACS slabs, but I don't trust them on high-graded coins, like 65 and above. They do a decent job on circulated coins but tend to straight-grade obviously cleaned coins more often than does PCGS or NGC.
I’ve sent in about 50 or more coins so far. I feel their grading is pretty comparative to PCGS. I have gotten some details grades as well, but not on these coins or any coins I have cleaned myself. The details came on other coins I thought were polishing marks. I have 240 coins graded by PCGS and I think it’s really comparable as far as the grading goes. But that’s just my experience. Maybe it’s been different with you.
I watched both of your videos and I want to thank you very much you have proven a lot to me today. Well done I would say tries a couple of coins that are very dirty but I think I’ll try that myself thank you
Thank you for watching! I did clean a very dirty one but it didn’t come completely off. Sent it to ANACS and they graded it. I have damaged some Indian heads by letting them soak in MS70 overnight. Took away all the corrosion and weak metal so it ended up looking worse.
You Sir are giving away the dealer secrets, there are so many "dipped" coins in dealers cases. Put a dealer in cuffs and inspect his or her shop and you will find cleaners.PCGS guards it's collectors' and resellers, with their price guide.
People told me PCGS protects the “big guys” a while back but I kinda took it as conspiratorial, but after my experience with them I don’t doubt it one bit. You can even see their own pictures on the app and compare them. Some lower grades look way better than the high grades and you gotta just scratch your head and ask how?
@@rockysramblingsI think I would call it hypocrisy! That's why I don't trust coin graders! They want to control how much money you make! I'll bet the big moneychanger banks like the Federal Reserve came up with this numismatic 🐂 💩!! I'm so used to seein' gold 🪙 and silver 🥈 dipped and cleaned in TV commercials! It all changed in 1986! I call it numismatic 🐂💩!! Period!
The eZest is the only one where I let it soak. It was 5 seconds. The other two I dabbed the acetone and MS70 on with a Q tip cotton swab and then lightly “rolled” but then started to rub it very lightly when stuff wasn’t coming off. I will say on other coins I experimented with after this experiment I did let them soak in MS70 for a while. I had one PCGS wouldn’t slab because of pvc residue that I soaked for hours and cleaned many times. ANACS graded and sent back, no details. I believe I got a 67 on it. But something I did wrong was on an old Indian head cent, it was a beautiful coin and I soaked it overnight. The ms70 ate out any weak spots in the copper. Ruined the coin. So DO NOT soak old copper coins.
Crack them. I would only send the highest grade of each denomination that were"cleaned". I doubt they'll come back details. Dipping is market acceptable.
Sorry I’m hesitant to give advice as I’m not an expert and I’m not sure what it is you want to do. I’d hate to guide you and then have you lose value on your coins
@@rockysramblings appreciate the answer... well I want to preserve the value and the coins and not sure if they will be safely stored in the original holder?
@@rockysramblings its the proof set pack with the mint plastic coin out of the brown envelopes, so straight from the mint... should I keep them in their original packaging?
@@blueocean7761 that’s the same thing as what I send in. The separate envelope packs. Unless they have a variety or are cameo or are exceptionally good condition they usually aren’t worth sending in for grading. If you want to sell them I’d leave them in the packs. If you don’t care about selling them and want to hold on to them for yourself then it’s totally up to you. I don’t really sell I keep for myself and I love searching for varieties and such so I take most mine out if I think they’re better quality, etc.
Would you consider doing a similar video comparing acetone, MS 70 and eZest on cleaning circulated dark toned silver coins? Coins that look very dark, almost black
I had a nickel that had some darkness on it. But it was more of dirt than toning. At any rate, it cleaned some off but it couldn’t seem to get it all. Some toning I’ve noticed doesn’t come off very easily. Some comes off very easy. I’ve cleaned a lot of coins since the original video. They still pass grading but they don’t always get completely clean. If I have any like that down the road I’ll try it.
Just caught this. Great video, good job. I would use new set, clean cent and nickel with acetone or MS70, as they got best grades. Do silver with Ezest. Send them and see what happens. Good luck, I'm doing this to some Morgans that are in PCGS holders, non graded, just a bulk batch of brilliant uncirculated and I rhink if I use MS 70 on them they'll come back MS 60 or above. I'm learning, a little new to the cleaning/grading game but willing to pay a little to learn. Hope to see your results.
@rockysramblings 👍🏻 I'll send u a couple pics later. The pcgs slabs are non graded, no serial numbers (have never seen that), just say brilliant uncirculated but these Morgans don't look BU to me. MS70 to the rescue. I've also got an AU58 I may crack out and try. I was going to NGC as all I've seen people are not teusting/liking pcgs much lately, but after ur video I may join anacs and go there. Thx !!
I would send in New coins rather than taking a loss on the ANCS ones. I wish we could establish a ruling that ANCS is just as good as PCGS for selling the coins. since the grade and reputation of the grading companies makes a difference.
Hopefully you have already sent your selected coins to PCGS, but I would break out the coins from the ANAC cases to eliminate a variance in the coins. Have PCGS grade the same coin. Thank for the enlightening video.
Yup. If I send them with the case I worry that would just encourage the grader to go with what is stated. I’d rather them think it hasn’t been graded before
I’m beginning to accept what you had to say about the positive aspects of ANACS. However, their slabs need some work. In addition, the value of the slabbed coins are not comparable. What’s a fellow to do?
I hate the yellow color to be honest. The slabs I didn’t like at first but after getting more they actually stack easier than the PCGS slabs. I also like the curved top because you can see what you have if you have them in a container without having to take them out. As far as the pricing. I agree with people that say “buy the coin, not the slab” but it is what it is as far as people thinking PCGS is more “trustworthy.” In my experience that couldn’t be farther from the truth. My plan is to use ANACS as my primary grading company. If I get some that are worth more or if I want to add them to my registry, I’ll crossover to PCGS. Leave them in the slab and mark on the form to only crossover of it matches or exceeds the existing grade. Then you’ll have PCGS reputation without the possible loss of the ANACS holder or a lower grade that could make the PCGS slab not worth it. That’s my view anyway 🤷🏼♂️
I bought a coin the other day from a guy that said “Honestly, I just want it gone cause it’s in an ANACS holder.” I said absolutely I will take that off your hands and he sold the coin to me at an almost 25% discount. I will certainly allow someone to sell me a coin at a discount because of the holder. I don’t sell my coins, I just appreciate them for their condition and level of rarity, which I think is the point of COIN collecting. The bottom line is that if you are in the hobby then you need to learn how to grade for yourself, buy accordingly and submit to the most reliable TPG when it’s time to liquidate. Dealers live by a different set of fiscal rules than collectors like myself.
I used ez est on some BU copper Canadian cents and it totally ruined them. I dipped them for 5 seconds and washed with distilled water and got a artificial tone look when it was dry. I tried an acetone bath after that but it didn’t help, also the color was way off before it dried with the artificial toned look. The ez est worked great on my silver but I will never use it on any thing other than silver or gold.
I was completely shocked that my eZest penny passed the test. It changed the color so drastically I never thought it would pass. I wouldn’t recommend eZest for pennies. My preferred cleaner is MS70
Pennies should be soaked in olive oil for a few months then lightly roll a Q tip over the coin to removed any dirt! The color will not be effected!!!! !!!!!!
I love anacs . They give you a grade no matter what and that's what ur paying for over all is a grade . I've sent cleaned coins to pcgs and got a good grade I used sliver cleaner for jewelry.
Thats seriously awesome stuff. I just assumed that if you put anything on it theyd be able to tell. I heard of a guy getting the restoration from the company (cant remember which) grading it and they graded it details cleaned
I had someone leave a comment that that happened to them too. I tried PCGS restoration service as well and made a video about that. I think it was about a month ago
I saw a video the other day where a guy sent a number of coins into the NGC Restoration Dept. They then slabbed all of his coins, but the designation was "cleaned". I found that video to be BEYOND bizarre? What the H*** is the point of restoration if they come back as "cleaned"???
It helped me make my decision, on what product to use when cleaning a coin. I would like to seeing you actually use coins out of a piggy bank or morality of a store cash register something with a little more dirt and grime and I'm sure you know what I mean but thanks thanks for your editorial
If it helps, I’ve sent in some more circulated coins. I didn’t get details on them either. Just don’t get too aggressive. My personal favorite is the MS70 cleaner.
I would very much savor the data that it would produce for myself and all collector's, although the cost to yourself would be a burden, the result's would be well respected.
The only thing in cloth that will scratch is dirt. Make sure the coin and the cloth have no minerals, no dirt, no salts and you will be fine. Wash and dry cloth very well before using.
What do you think of Thiourea? My grandfather (who passed away in 1990), was a huge collector and I’m catching the bug now. My point is that he used to tell me that many dealers cleaned the coins with the solution and it didn’t damage de coin if done properly, dip, I’m guessing.
Ive never heard of it but you could always try it and send one in. As long as it doesn’t scratch the surface or damage the luster I think it’s worth a try
okay so those are all proofs ... try that with circulated ones. I worked in a coin shop and cleaning uncirculated and proofs are accepted by ALL the grading companies with an ultra sonic and a non abrasive dish soap also your acetone and such that is fine but you do that with a circulated coin that most coin collectors can afford when you get into the harder years and cleaning won't fly they will be caught by the grading companies.
Hi, I enjoy your content. thanks ... proofs are mush easier to do then other coins. all coins are not restored in the same manner. a proof should have a mirrored lustrous pinwheel affect. i always start with warm soapy (dawn dish soap) water. sometimes that's all that is needed. if more is needed for a silver coin. i like a quick dip in E-Zest using a soft tip tool, or small basket. followed by a lite wash in warm soapy water. then rinse with only warm water. sometime i might do this a second time... with E-Zest you have to be careful, you can go to far an remove that pinwheel luster. less is more. MS-70 does a good job for copper & nickel with method you used. not as easy to go to far. works good for silver also. acetone is good if coin has some kind of gunk. i always finish with warm soapy water. then a rinse with warm water... use whatever works best for the coin your dealing with. not all coins are created equal... Thanks again
Great video. I've been waiting to see this one. I say crack them out and send them. I have about 15 coins in ngc holders I'm going to crack out and clean and send to pcgs. Can't wait to see what you do.
subcribed.. I m from Canada. i loved this vid. Thank you for spending your hard earn money you are very brave... I think you your thought with out control group.I thought to retest everything then re thought. They are all so similar do some new ones.. Good luck
I would clean some tarnished/slighty dirty coins that otherwise are in good shape and see how well it gets cleaned and what grade it comes back at! Of course, estimate the grade before cleaning per the grading guidlines. To me ez-est seems the easiest to use. However, someone here mentioned it was not so good on copper. So between ez-est and MS70 which one do you think cleans all the silver, bronze and copper the easiest? I'm new but learning the hobby! Thanks!
I prefer MS70 above all else. If I’m cleaning a silver coin I will do a 5 second dip in eZest if it has cleaned up nicely because it seems to just give it a little bit more shine.
Thank you so much for this video, wow. I agree, no control group... no point. I also would only crack open the ANACS that don't mean that much to you and just send a smaller set of coins to PCGS. Obviously keep the 68s. Maybe pick a 67 you think could get a 68? Getting greedy here :)
Thanks for the input! I’m kind of gauging what everyone thinks of the PCGS submission and I’ll probably do it and make a video afterwards just in case anyone from PCGS is watching my stuff. Unlikely haha
I would send 1- set as crossover, and break 1-set out and see what happens, and possibly one controlled set, just to see if Any of them get detailed? I think that would show if PCGS in more stringent with their grading. Would be nice to know if ms70 or acetone would slide past them. Lol
I have no Ezest, but if I did I would probably apply it with a toothbrush. I did my best to fix a few coins that were Ezest Over Dipped. It's like trying to sweep the surface of the moon with a broom.
Thanks for this. And yes I would love to see NGC in there as well. Also, I would like to see IGC in there to see if they grade the same or higher. And keep using proofs.
Did you ever try it with electric ultrasonic cleaner. If you put a table spoon of GemOR cleaner solution into the water. it will take out the white spots and glue. Use it for only one minute. It does not damage the coin. Or affect the coin color or shine.
I’ve use acetone to soak every raw coin I buy , I’ve dipped ugly toned coins proof and circulating strikes I’ve never had one come back detailed …. I don’t consider dipping or soaking in acetone a form of cleaning …. Only coins that should get detail grade is “harshly cleaned” coin that a bunch of hairlines all over it from someone who was rubbing the coin over a cotton rag very very hard … I’ve rubbed my fingers over coins that were dipped in solution to get it to work in crevices better pulled it out and rinsed it in warm distilled water then acetone … they still straight graded …. I don’t dip copper coins they never come out right
Just my thoughts. If you really want to do a submission to PCGS for the content. I think to save money you could break out the control group, and the Ez Zest group. Here is my reasoning behind my thoughts. You can still be scientific about it as long as you send the control group (for obvious reasons) and the Ez Zest group, since you thought that was the one that you were the hardest with. BUT THAT IS ONLY IF YOU WANT THE CONTENT. Otherwise I think you did what you set out to do and proved what you wanted to prove with these two video's great work and thank you.
I think I set out to do what I wanted as well but I know people are going to (and have) said that PCGS would catch it. So now I want to know if that’s true. Someone suggested to take one of each group out and send it in. I think that makes sense cuz if they can’t catch it on one they shouldn’t catch it on the others. 🤷🏼♂️
Original Submission Video: ruclips.net/video/i1BsySjTekM/видео.htmlsi=JXU-0im47fuk0AUe
PCGS is flaky lately IMO. NGC a decent consistent grader.
If you wanted to see something that would be of extreme interest, instead of sending to PCGS, make a submission to CACG!
Crack a few of them out of ANACS and send them.
Nice coins bro 👍🏻
Finally! Someone with some sanity around the "Cleaning" designation. When you said that you don't think cleaning should be designated unless it shows, I almost cheered out loud. Nice video, Sir!
Haha! Thank you!
Brother, I applaud you for making these videos. I know you spend so much in each video and spend more time. With that being said, you have my 👍🏾 and subscription. Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
I think the most telling comparison would be to break out the contol group including the 1/2 with the milk spot, and break out just the cleaned EZest group.
Those should be enough for an accurate realistic comparison.
Thank you for your expense and work, you are making a great breakthrough in the understanding of the numismatic hobby!
Thank you!
Rocky 8 years ago I sent in a coin done with acetone, a multiple thousand dollar coin and it came back 1 grade higher putting it in top pop at NGC. Good video and your view on things is excellent.
Nice! I love hearing that! Thanks for watching
Awesome experiment!!! I love ANACS Holders and their customer Service is A+. I wish the industry wasn't so hung-up on NGC and PCGS!
I agree 100%!
Love the video! Thanks for taking the time to show us the way!
I would like to see the same experiment on raw coins (not previously packaged) and sent into PCGS and NGC.
I went with the proofs because my assumption is that if cleaning will be detected then it’s gonna be most evident on a proof coin. I am going to do some variation of this with PCGS as well. Maybe NGC down the road
@@rockysramblingsyeah I doubt you could pull this off with NGC
Absolutely... PCGS or NGC will catch it if you clean your coins. It never fails!
@@wulfgar9119I hope we see those results too.
Well, it looks like ANACS is the choice for me to submit for grading if I ever have a coin I believe worth grading.
Thanks for the follow up! It was well worth the wait!
Thanks for watching!
that is encouraging! thank you for making this video!
Thank you for watching
I have used acetone to clean coins, and I have dipped coins(quick dipped) that I have had graded by PCGS with no problems.
After all, NGC and PCGS call it coin restoration when they do it.
The key words there are “when they do it” lol They just want to encourage people to have them do it
Awesome video, clarity to this issue is much appreciated, I'm a novice still just hoarding coins... 😂
MS70 is great and you confirmed that… Thanks. I have not had any luck with copper and any of the products. I just stay away from dipping copper.
Try soaking a few tarnished pennies for 5 minutes in white vinegar and then, before rinsing, rub lightly with a wet baking soda paste. Works very well and does not scratch the coins.
I think your proof of concept is good enough
I think the best way to do this test is to send in a proof set uncleaned and a circulation set uncleaned to PCGS. Another uncleaned proof and circulated set to ANACS and another uncleaned proof and circulated set to GCS. Get them back. Notate the grades. Clean and resubmit all the same sets again. Then analyze your results. This would be a very small sample size. For a proper test you would need a lot more submissions.
Agreed, there could be numerous testing scenarios , to what end? An investment group for such information would make myself a confident participant.
Are the best videos I’ve seen in a long time about cleaning coins. Thanks for posting I’m a new sub!!
Thank you! Glad you enjoy it!
I recently cracked a details coin (very, very minor wheel mark) from PCGS and sent it to ANACS. I had it at a 64 details with the wheel mark and ANACS sent it back as a MS62. I'll take the net grade on a market acceptable coin any day.
Edit: I dip everything I send in for grading in acetone to make sure there is no PVC residue. I also sent some clad to ANACS after using MS70 recently and they all straight graded as well.
I sent in a details cleaned Morgan from PCGS to ANACS and it was sent back to me MS62DMPL. Now I want to double check all my PCGS details coins lol
So ANACS cannot be trusted? Is that the lesson?
I agree send some in, I’d be curious to see any fluctuations in grade.
You are allowed to properly conserve coins. An improperly conserved coin is a "Cleaned" coin. Not surprised that the Ezest proof silver coins did so well as that is where that product really does such a great job. Dipping is totally acceptable when done right. Loved the experiment. Cheers!
I was surprised the EZest copper passed tho. EZest scares me
@@rockysramblings Agree. Great for silver, but copper is risky for sure.
Thank you for posting the results! If I wasn't poor, I'd offer to donate some $ towards breaking them out and sending to PCGS. Like you said, that is the most valid way to do it. No new control needed as you already have one.
Funny though... I don't own a single graded coin.
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A couple years ago I saw an article on NGC's website by a person that did restorations for them. They came out and said that they used MS-70 and other chemicals in this process. More recently I've had a friend that also does restorations that has a coin shop. And I believe he does them for NGC but what he told me is that they have a machine which will blow air across the coin and sense whether it has any residue on it. Typically that's the first thing they do and if it does have residue then it will get a details grade. This residue can include even fluoride that's in tap water. So after that they proceed to use whatever chemicals they determine are required for that particular coin but before they ship it back in a new holder they thoroughly wash it in distilled water. So I would suggest using distilled water as the last stage in your process and make sure that a soft cloth is used to dry the coin so it doesn't have any spots.
That’s interesting. I don’t have city water. I actually have a cistern. So maybe that’s why my rinsing hasn’t caused issues. Someone told me a long time ago that they rinsed their coin and received a details grade so that could be why. When I rinse I rinse for quite some time.
I would think that if using ditilled water the final rimnse would create a perfect enviroment for oxidation on any metal surface. i would be wanting more along the line of preservation of the coin superceding as long a there is no damage done to the quality of the coin. Any comments?mabey using a thin light oil or wax petroleum based to prevent corrosion ..any comments?
New subscriber here I love this type of stuff
Great! Thank you! Trump2024!
A clean coin is a clean coin. To me it's all the more impressive if a coin can be circulated, cleaned and be as clean as uncirculated. The history of the coin and the pockets it's passed through is what interests me.
Nickels are tough LOL
Man I am super loving this video, it says everything I've been telling people for four years is true. Multiple arguments with coin collectors. You can clean a coin as long as you abide by PGCS rules 92 and 94. To the average person I laugh and wish them luck.
Pay a little extra and get REMBRANDT, just so you can't mess up you know.
Could you do this test again with PCGS OR NGC, please?
I don’t have an NGC membership but I intend to do it with PCGS. Stay tuned
@@rockysramblings
If you are an ANA member, you can use that number to submit to NGC as they are the official ANA grading co.
Thank you for this very informative video. And, the money you invested for this test. Good luck in the future.
Thank you for watching!
So which product do you recommend the best
The way I do it depends on the issue. I’ve learned that acetone removes PVC damage well. Just soak it a little. It then use a Q tip then rinse with distilled water. For 99% of my cleaning I dab it with MS70 and let it soak for a few seconds then VERY LIGHTLY move the Q-tip over the surface. I go back and forth and circles. Do this to both sides and the rim, then rinse with distilled water. I don’t use distilled water but I don’t have city water and I’ve been told PCGS has a tool that can determine something in the water. I would guess it’s fluoride. So better safe than sorry, just use distilled.
Great video my man 😅 Been excited to watch this since the "cleaning" video !
I know guys that have submitted the same morgans a few times to pcgs that came back DETAILS, until it didn't and was finally straight graded 😮 Did it suddenly become uncleaned ?.., of course not !
ANACS now, ANACS tomorrow!
I just got a PCGS graded details back from ANACS. ANACS gave me MS62DMPL! Quite the difference. Big difference in price as well!
Would like to see the results on circulated pennies
The DID become UNcleaned🤣🤣 lol... Perfectly added comment🤣. Maybe (just maybe 😌) someone 'different' at PCGS looked at it/them the last time🤔... again.... maybe😌
@@michaelstein4295 😄🤗
Awesome job dude great video.
Thanks!
Great video. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Greetings.
Awesome job! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I'm a big fan of ANACS because I'm an error collector, and most errors come in ANACS slabs, but I don't trust them on high-graded coins, like 65 and above. They do a decent job on circulated coins but tend to straight-grade obviously cleaned coins more often than does PCGS or NGC.
I’ve sent in about 50 or more coins so far. I feel their grading is pretty comparative to PCGS. I have gotten some details grades as well, but not on these coins or any coins I have cleaned myself. The details came on other coins I thought were polishing marks. I have 240 coins graded by PCGS and I think it’s really comparable as far as the grading goes. But that’s just my experience. Maybe it’s been different with you.
Honestly the nickel you cleaned twice i couldn't tell from my view. You did a hell of a job!
Thank you!
What about circulated coins? I clean some coins in Acetone if it's just too dirty or something like tape residue, and I use a shorten bristle brush.
I wouldn’t use a short bristles brush. I’d stick to Qtips and minimal pressure. I’ve cleaned circulated as well. Just haven’t done a video on it yet.
I watched both of your videos and I want to thank you very much you have proven a lot to me today. Well done I would say tries a couple of coins that are very dirty but I think I’ll try that myself thank you
Thank you for watching! I did clean a very dirty one but it didn’t come completely off. Sent it to ANACS and they graded it. I have damaged some Indian heads by letting them soak in MS70 overnight. Took away all the corrosion and weak metal so it ended up looking worse.
Dude, love your videos. That being said...Eee-Zee-Est! Every time you say Eee-zest my eye twitches.
Haha sorry man! I’m sticking with it. Can’t teach an old dog new tricks 🐶
I'M IMPRESSED THANKS
Incredibly interesting
You Sir are giving away the dealer secrets, there are so many "dipped" coins in dealers cases. Put a dealer in cuffs and inspect his or her shop and you will find cleaners.PCGS guards it's collectors' and resellers, with their price guide.
People told me PCGS protects the “big guys” a while back but I kinda took it as conspiratorial, but after my experience with them I don’t doubt it one bit. You can even see their own pictures on the app and compare them. Some lower grades look way better than the high grades and you gotta just scratch your head and ask how?
@@rockysramblingsI think I would call it hypocrisy! That's why I don't trust coin graders! They want to control how much money you make! I'll bet the big moneychanger banks like the Federal Reserve came up with this numismatic 🐂 💩!! I'm so used to seein' gold 🪙 and silver 🥈 dipped and cleaned in TV commercials! It all changed in 1986! I call it numismatic 🐂💩!! Period!
This is awesome!!! Im so glad this worked. I saved it im gonna give it try. How long did you let them soak?
The eZest is the only one where I let it soak. It was 5 seconds. The other two I dabbed the acetone and MS70 on with a Q tip cotton swab and then lightly “rolled” but then started to rub it very lightly when stuff wasn’t coming off. I will say on other coins I experimented with after this experiment I did let them soak in MS70 for a while. I had one PCGS wouldn’t slab because of pvc residue that I soaked for hours and cleaned many times. ANACS graded and sent back, no details. I believe I got a 67 on it. But something I did wrong was on an old Indian head cent, it was a beautiful coin and I soaked it overnight. The ms70 ate out any weak spots in the copper. Ruined the coin. So DO NOT soak old copper coins.
@@rockysramblings thank you
Thanks for sharing
Crack them. I would only send the highest grade of each denomination that were"cleaned". I doubt they'll come back details. Dipping is market acceptable.
Hey I have old mint sets from 1955-1964 ... would you keep them together or have them removed from original set and send them in for grading separate?
Sorry I’m hesitant to give advice as I’m not an expert and I’m not sure what it is you want to do. I’d hate to guide you and then have you lose value on your coins
@@rockysramblings appreciate the answer... well I want to preserve the value and the coins and not sure if they will be safely stored in the original holder?
@@blueocean7761 is this some kind of holder that holds all the sets from 55-64?
@@rockysramblings its the proof set pack with the mint plastic coin out of the brown envelopes, so straight from the mint... should I keep them in their original packaging?
@@blueocean7761 that’s the same thing as what I send in. The separate envelope packs. Unless they have a variety or are cameo or are exceptionally good condition they usually aren’t worth sending in for grading. If you want to sell them I’d leave them in the packs. If you don’t care about selling them and want to hold on to them for yourself then it’s totally up to you. I don’t really sell I keep for myself and I love searching for varieties and such so I take most mine out if I think they’re better quality, etc.
Would you consider doing a similar video comparing acetone, MS 70 and eZest on cleaning circulated dark toned silver coins? Coins that look very dark, almost black
I had a nickel that had some darkness on it. But it was more of dirt than toning. At any rate, it cleaned some off but it couldn’t seem to get it all. Some toning I’ve noticed doesn’t come off very easily. Some comes off very easy. I’ve cleaned a lot of coins since the original video. They still pass grading but they don’t always get completely clean. If I have any like that down the road I’ll try it.
Just caught this. Great video, good job. I would use new set, clean cent and nickel with acetone or MS70, as they got best grades. Do silver with Ezest. Send them and see what happens. Good luck, I'm doing this to some Morgans that are in PCGS holders, non graded, just a bulk batch of brilliant uncirculated and I rhink if I use MS 70 on them they'll come back MS 60 or above. I'm learning, a little new to the cleaning/grading game but willing to pay a little to learn. Hope to see your results.
Since I did this I have sent in several Morgan’s to ANACS and used ms70 on them. They all came back graded without details. Good luck with yours!
@rockysramblings 👍🏻 I'll send u a couple pics later. The pcgs slabs are non graded, no serial numbers (have never seen that), just say brilliant uncirculated but these Morgans don't look BU to me. MS70 to the rescue. I've also got an AU58 I may crack out and try. I was going to NGC as all I've seen people are not teusting/liking pcgs much lately, but after ur video I may join anacs and go there. Thx !!
I would send in New coins rather than taking a loss on the ANCS ones. I wish we could establish a ruling that ANCS is just as good as PCGS for selling the coins. since the grade and reputation of the grading companies makes a difference.
Personally I like ANACS far more than PCGS. I’m gonna make a comparison video at some point.
Awesome experiment!
Thank you
Hopefully you have already sent your selected coins to PCGS, but I would break out the coins from the ANAC cases to eliminate a variance in the coins. Have PCGS grade the same coin. Thank for the enlightening video.
Yup. If I send them with the case I worry that would just encourage the grader to go with what is stated. I’d rather them think it hasn’t been graded before
Trust me, the graders are expecting pretty much every coin to have been already graded at this day and age.
I’m beginning to accept what you had to say about the positive aspects of ANACS. However, their slabs need some work. In addition, the value of the slabbed coins are not comparable. What’s a fellow to do?
I hate the yellow color to be honest. The slabs I didn’t like at first but after getting more they actually stack easier than the PCGS slabs. I also like the curved top because you can see what you have if you have them in a container without having to take them out. As far as the pricing. I agree with people that say “buy the coin, not the slab” but it is what it is as far as people thinking PCGS is more “trustworthy.” In my experience that couldn’t be farther from the truth. My plan is to use ANACS as my primary grading company. If I get some that are worth more or if I want to add them to my registry, I’ll crossover to PCGS. Leave them in the slab and mark on the form to only crossover of it matches or exceeds the existing grade. Then you’ll have PCGS reputation without the possible loss of the ANACS holder or a lower grade that could make the PCGS slab not worth it. That’s my view anyway 🤷🏼♂️
I bought a coin the other day from a guy that said “Honestly, I just want it gone cause it’s in an ANACS holder.” I said absolutely I will take that off your hands and he sold the coin to me at an almost 25% discount. I will certainly allow someone to sell me a coin at a discount because of the holder. I don’t sell my coins, I just appreciate them for their condition and level of rarity, which I think is the point of COIN collecting. The bottom line is that if you are in the hobby then you need to learn how to grade for yourself, buy accordingly and submit to the most reliable TPG when it’s time to liquidate. Dealers live by a different set of fiscal rules than collectors like myself.
Would using a softer material other than a cotton swab make a difference?
You don’t need to. I got them back and they all passed
Very good I totally agree
I used ez est on some BU copper Canadian cents and it totally ruined them. I dipped them for 5 seconds and washed with distilled water and got a artificial tone look when it was dry. I tried an acetone bath after that but it didn’t help, also the color was way off before it dried with the artificial toned look. The ez est worked great on my silver but I will never use it on any thing other than silver or gold.
I was completely shocked that my eZest penny passed the test. It changed the color so drastically I never thought it would pass. I wouldn’t recommend eZest for pennies. My preferred cleaner is MS70
Pennies should be soaked in olive oil for a few months then lightly roll a Q tip over the coin to removed any dirt! The color will not be effected!!!! !!!!!!
4:31 That's an interesting looking 'Kennedy' ya got there xD
Oopsie! 🥴
I love anacs . They give you a grade no matter what and that's what ur paying for over all is a grade . I've sent cleaned coins to pcgs and got a good grade I used sliver cleaner for jewelry.
Thanks for sharing❤❤
Thanks for watching!
Thats seriously awesome stuff. I just assumed that if you put anything on it theyd be able to tell. I heard of a guy getting the restoration from the company (cant remember which) grading it and they graded it details cleaned
I had someone leave a comment that that happened to them too. I tried PCGS restoration service as well and made a video about that. I think it was about a month ago
What kind of fabric softener do you use :-j
Couldn’t tell ya lol
Interesting; would like to see same video with coins cleaned with the different chemicals to ngc & pcgs.
What about having them graded by PCGS? Do you think you would've recieved the same grades ?
I want to try it. But it’s much more expensive with PCGS. I probably won’t send in as many.
I can tell you that he want. They will catch that has been cleaned
As a kid in the 60s , everyone cleaned their coins
Thanks!
You bet!
Did you ever send these coins to pcgs? I would break them out and send the same ones in with out the control group.
It’s still processing
I dipped a 1936 German silver coin in EZ-EST. I sent it in to NGC for grading. It came back AU53.
Thank you for sharing this…. AWESOME
Glad you enjoyed it!
I saw a video the other day where a guy sent a number of coins into the NGC Restoration Dept. They then slabbed all of his coins, but the designation was "cleaned". I found that video to be BEYOND bizarre? What the H*** is the point of restoration if they come back as "cleaned"???
It’s possible that they were cleaned before the restoration. I haven’t heard a lot of bad things about NGC
Watch on 1.75 speed. You're welcome
Thank you! lol
It helped me make my decision, on what product to use when cleaning a coin. I would like to seeing you actually use coins out of a piggy bank or morality of a store cash register something with a little more dirt and grime and I'm sure you know what I mean but thanks thanks for your editorial
If it helps, I’ve sent in some more circulated coins. I didn’t get details on them either. Just don’t get too aggressive. My personal favorite is the MS70 cleaner.
This is all good stuff, you could water the e-zest down a little bit that may help in grading if it`s getting to the bone of the coin.
I would very much savor the data that it would produce for myself and all collector's, although the cost to yourself would be a burden, the result's would be well respected.
The only thing in cloth that will scratch is dirt. Make sure the coin and the cloth have no minerals, no dirt, no salts and you will be fine. Wash and dry cloth very well before using.
What grading company, do U use
Usually ANACS but I use PCGS at times
I just wonder why ANACS didn't put the "CAMEO", "MIRROR" or whatever Anacs use to show the finish of the coin?
These coins weren’t cameo. There needs to be a big contrast between the device and fields to get the cameo
Isn't ezest pronounced "easiest"?
Someone else pointed this out to me but I’m committed to it now and sticking with it lol
I'll allow that.
What do you think of Thiourea? My grandfather (who passed away in 1990), was a huge collector and I’m catching the bug now. My point is that he used to tell me that many dealers cleaned the coins with the solution and it didn’t damage de coin if done properly, dip, I’m guessing.
Ive never heard of it but you could always try it and send one in. As long as it doesn’t scratch the surface or damage the luster I think it’s worth a try
okay so those are all proofs ... try that with circulated ones. I worked in a coin shop and cleaning uncirculated and proofs are accepted by ALL the grading companies with an ultra sonic and a non abrasive dish soap also your acetone and such that is fine but you do that with a circulated coin that most coin collectors can afford when you get into the harder years and cleaning won't fly they will be caught by the grading companies.
I do it with circulated Morgans all the time since this video. Haven’t gotten details yet.
I'm excited for you.
Hi,
I enjoy your content. thanks ...
proofs are mush easier to do then other coins. all coins are not restored in the
same manner. a proof should have a mirrored lustrous pinwheel affect.
i always start with warm soapy (dawn dish soap) water.
sometimes that's all that is needed. if more is needed for a silver coin.
i like a quick dip in E-Zest using a soft tip tool, or small basket. followed by
a lite wash in warm soapy water. then rinse with only warm water. sometime i
might do this a second time... with E-Zest you have to be careful, you can go to
far an remove that pinwheel luster. less is more.
MS-70 does a good job for copper & nickel with method you used. not as easy
to go to far. works good for silver also.
acetone is good if coin has some kind of gunk. i always finish with warm soapy water.
then a rinse with warm water...
use whatever works best for the coin your dealing with. not all coins are created equal...
Thanks again
I did one where I cleaned circulate coins as well. Thanks for the feedback!
Interesting video. I agree if no one can really tell with the naked eye or a loop then what does it really matter
Big thanks 4 your 💰&work..Will use Anacs
Accidentally left a penny in pocket, washed clothes-will this be a strike against me?
I couldn’t tell you. If it made marks or lost the luster it could.
Great video. I've been waiting to see this one. I say crack them out and send them. I have about 15 coins in ngc holders I'm going to crack out and clean and send to pcgs. Can't wait to see what you do.
subcribed.. I m from Canada. i loved this vid. Thank you for spending your hard earn money you are very brave... I think you your thought with out control group.I thought to retest everything then re thought. They are all so similar do some new ones.. Good luck
I’ve currently got something in the works. Stay tuned! Thanks for watching!
How dirty were they beforehand
They were out of mint sets. So not dirty but I wanted to see if the process would damage them.
How dirty were they when you started
Never mind you just posted the video I'll go watch it
What do you think about heritage auctions.
I haven’t used them.
I would clean some tarnished/slighty dirty coins that otherwise are in good shape and see how well it gets cleaned and what grade it comes back at! Of course, estimate the grade before cleaning per the grading guidlines.
To me ez-est seems the easiest to use. However, someone here mentioned it was not so good on copper. So between ez-est and MS70 which one do you think cleans all the silver, bronze and copper the easiest? I'm new but learning the hobby! Thanks!
I prefer MS70 above all else. If I’m cleaning a silver coin I will do a 5 second dip in eZest if it has cleaned up nicely because it seems to just give it a little bit more shine.
@@rockysramblings Thank you! Your opinion I truly appreciate! So I will get both lol! I truly enjoyed your videos on this subject!
MS70 Gun Bore Cleaner, Solvent, Dry Cleaning Fluid, Perchlor
I think
Since there is subjectivity to grading, I would crack them out. Any bias against ANACS might affect their grading even if unintentional.
That’s what I was thinking too. Or send in a completely different cleaned set
Thank you so much for this video, wow.
I agree, no control group... no point. I also would only crack open the ANACS that don't mean that much to you and just send a smaller set of coins to PCGS. Obviously keep the 68s. Maybe pick a 67 you think could get a 68? Getting greedy here :)
Thanks for the input! I’m kind of gauging what everyone thinks of the PCGS submission and I’ll probably do it and make a video afterwards just in case anyone from PCGS is watching my stuff. Unlikely haha
What about Gold & Silver or softer metals.
Haven’t tried gold. Silver works fine. I did a more recent video with silver dollars and pcgs
I would send 1- set as crossover, and break 1-set out and see what happens, and possibly one controlled set, just to see if Any of them get detailed? I think that would show if PCGS in more stringent with their grading. Would be nice to know if ms70 or acetone would slide past them. Lol
I have no Ezest, but if I did I would probably apply it with a toothbrush. I did my best to fix a few coins that were Ezest Over Dipped. It's like trying to sweep the surface of the moon with a broom.
Thanks for this. And yes I would love to see NGC in there as well. Also, I would like to see IGC in there to see if they grade the same or higher. And keep using proofs.
Thank you for watching! I’ll work on those
Got away..but they are proof anyway. How much could it matter??
It’s about being able to get them straight graded as opposed to details cleaned
Use distilled water to rinse them after cleaning, they can detect fluoride from the sink water
I would like to see it sent to pcgs and see what they came back as
Very interesting
Thank you!
Did you ever try it with electric ultrasonic cleaner. If you put a table spoon of GemOR cleaner solution into the water. it will take out the white spots and glue. Use it for only one minute. It does not damage the coin. Or affect the coin color or shine.
Have you had them graded? My dad has one. I considered it but I figured the vibrations would make the basket damage it.
Very nice video. thanks.
Thank you
I’ve use acetone to soak every raw coin I buy , I’ve dipped ugly toned coins proof and circulating strikes I’ve never had one come back detailed …. I don’t consider dipping or soaking in acetone a form of cleaning …. Only coins that should get detail grade is “harshly cleaned” coin that a bunch of hairlines all over it from someone who was rubbing the coin over a cotton rag very very hard … I’ve rubbed my fingers over coins that were dipped in solution to get it to work in crevices better pulled it out and rinsed it in warm distilled water then acetone … they still straight graded …. I don’t dip copper coins they never come out right
Just my thoughts. If you really want to do a submission to PCGS for the content. I think to save money you could break out the control group, and the Ez Zest group. Here is my reasoning behind my thoughts. You can still be scientific about it as long as you send the control group (for obvious reasons) and the Ez Zest group, since you thought that was the one that you were the hardest with. BUT THAT IS ONLY IF YOU WANT THE CONTENT.
Otherwise I think you did what you set out to do and proved what you wanted to prove with these two video's great work and thank you.
I think I set out to do what I wanted as well but I know people are going to (and have) said that PCGS would catch it. So now I want to know if that’s true. Someone suggested to take one of each group out and send it in. I think that makes sense cuz if they can’t catch it on one they shouldn’t catch it on the others. 🤷🏼♂️