I always give my silver coins an acetone bath before sending off for grading. Mainly to get rid of dirt, grease, pvc, etc. I have never used the more aggressive cleaners like MS70 or EZEST. I need to give those cleaners a try. If PCGS can restore a coin there is no reason a thoughtful and careful collector can't do the same.
I clean coins too, for many years, you're not putting on pounds of pressure only a few ounces. This is a great video, I'm only at 4 minutes, can't wait to see what happens ! THANKS
How you get them in the registry ? I have quite a lot of old Morgan silver dollars I have cc , New Orleans and they are in mint state, I was metal detecting and I found 5 Mason jars full of them still sealed 😮, that was a very great day for me 🎉
Wow! That’s awesome. I found a toolbox full of baseball cards once but they had water damage unfortunately. And I don’t know as much about baseball cards as I do Coins ha ha. PCGS has a PCGS Set Registry app that you can enter Coins into. Hope that helps. If you want to sell any, let me know!
Not just coins ALL grading. They create a fake market to pretend the items are rare & valuable & that the grading protects the value. The auction houses are in on it too & it’s designed to convince people they need to pay money to preserve the value of their item. In reality, as soon as people lose interest, the value will drop. Only rare items are valuable, anything made for the mass market may be collectible, by that doesn’t add value
Have you been paying attention, they keep pulling this scam & moving on to new things. Baseball cards, Comicbooks, stamps, videogames, & now VHS. They find things people forgot about, buy the items up for cheap. Then, once they cleared the market, they get a bunch of guys together to “buy” an auctioned item for a ridiculously inflated price. Then, the story hits the news cycle about how much it sold for & the news asks, “do you have hidden treasure in your basement you didn’t even know was valuable?” But the items aren’t rare, & the auction is a lie. They always hide the auction winner’s name because it would give the grift away. Then, once people are convinced their worthless crap is valuable, they send their shit in, & pay a lot of money to be “graded”. That’s where all the money is being made, from ignorant people who think their un-opened copy of Beauty & the Beast on VHS is worth millions, so they pay $265 to get their worthless tape graded.
I sent coins to NGC to be cleaned and graded. They sent the coin back as an AU58. Broke out of holder and sent back to get better grade and it came back as cleaned.
I started collecting a long time ago. When ngc and pcgs hijacked our hobby making themselves instantly the experts. When ANNACS was around longer but a few guys got together and made these grading companies. But when they started with it was cleaned , but not by us so we're letting everyone know. That's hijacking our hobby.
Yeah I do believe it’s a scam to a degree as well. You can go right on their app and see the pictures of their high graded coins and I have many times had nicer coins then what they’re showing and they give me some low ball grade. The big players get the good grades. Also the subjectivity in the grading is really messed up. With AI now there should be an easier, faster and more uniform way of grading.
@@rockysramblingsI agree 💯💯💯I’ve done the same . I told PCGS I couldn’t find my coin in their grading examples 😂my coins were far superior they offer to let u send back in yet would only improve one grade higher if they improved at all . The example of MS 65 which one of mine graded was a hideous photo mine far superior yet if it went to MS 66 it was worth $5 more . I sent an MS 67 was expecting that maybe a plus + but a 65 😢 scam
the grading companies have done far more good than they have bad. they have taking our hobby to new heights and a wider audience. good for them and us.
It IS a scam that’s been bought into & that legitimized it. It’s all the same people, they go from stamps, to coins, to baseball cards, to video games, & now VHS. They take mass market items, made in the millions, go to trade shows to buy up all the best examples. Then they put the best condition one up for auction & get a group of investors to artificially bid it up. When the item sells for far greater than it should, people think, “I have one of those in my basement” thinking they can also sell theirs for the same cost. In reality, it has no value & the only instances where they do sell big, are from other people tied to the scam. That creates a whole new market of people, digging around for their best copy of Beauty & the Beast on VHS. Then, those suckers will pay the grading company, to grade their worthless item. Eventually, people realize it an artificial market, the hype dies down, & they pivot to something new.
The coin grading market has stuck around for the sole reason that coins are also made of precious metals, and will always have some inherent value, based on the price of gold & silver. That’s why it has stayed & has more legitimacy, compared to the ones that failed, like modern baseball cards, & Beanie Babies. Those are tied more to nostalgia than anything else, where coins will always have material value
I appreciate the information on the adverse effects of using the three different products. That’s quite useful information to be know before cleaning. I’ve also noted that you’re careful with your restoring process; it’s evident as we see with the straight grades. Thanks a lot man. 👍🏽
Recently i had 10 Gold $20 that were in holders from the '80s (PCGS and NGC) . I took note of the grades, broke them out of the holders, and sent them in to PCGS. On return, 2 upgraded by 2 points, 2 upgraded by 1 point, 2 downgraded by 1 point, and 4 were unchanged. I suppose standards have changed since the '80s....🤔
Well this is the problem with the subjectivity of coin grading in my opinion. Sometimes it works to my advantage but most the time it’s not unfortunately
I use Dawn detergent to take off the initial oils and environmental grime before I dip. Amazing soap for cleaning even without scrubbing if you know how to use hydraulic agitation.
Man we appreciate your time, money and effort you've put into this. I've been waiting to see a video like this for a long time. I personally don't clean my coins however you've found a way to beat the system to a degree 😂. You might want to be careful the tpgc might put a hit out on you. Awesome video!
If I remember right my holder was cracked. They gave me the option to holder the entire GSA holder, but I said not to. I didn’t know they did that when I sent it in.
@@rockysramblings oh yeah.NGC just puts a band around them with the grade. ANACS does something similar. PCGS is the only one that encapsulates the GSA capsule lol
@@rockysramblings ANACS, NGC, and PCGS will all grade GSA coins in the holders (soft and hard). NGC will also grade blue and brown Ikes as well as Redfield hoard morgans in their original case
Never use MS70 or EZest on circulated coins. These products predominantly work well only on uncirculated coins. If you see a blast white VF coin, that is an immediate tell to graders that it has been cleaned.
Good looking out. Thank ya -From newbie doing research before attempting to clean and have graded. I acquired an 1831 $2.5 capped head left quarter eagle and id like to take proper care along the way to fetch best price. Any and all pointers are greatly appreciated
They call it MS70 for a reason. It is not intended for circulated coins. Cleaning dirty uncirculated is fine. The trick knowing when to use it to increase the value and when to accept the character that comes with age.
Ok, first I want to say I absolutely love your videos showing that coins absolutely can be "restored " without creating or causing damage to the point itself. I see so many discussions on this and the negativity towards it that it's become at a point to where nearly makes me sick. Then you have those that are trying to clean them with things like ketchup and toothbrushes and toothpaste and so on and so forth that also makes me sick! Anyhow the reason for this comment is because I realized that you are into the high dollar coinage and can obviously afford to do so however for those of us that do coin roll hunting and things of such nature and pennies nickels dimes quarters 50 cent pieces and the modern dollars which are obviously mostly circulated when you're doing wild hunts like that and I would absolutely love love love love love love to see a video of your cleaning excuse me " restoration " to the circulated more modern cornage found in the wild and or circulated as referred to. I believe I've watched all of your videos regarding this subject and have yet to find anything where any type of modern circulated coinage found in the wild... For example '70s pennies '80s nickels '90s quarters you get the idea anyways I would love to see even just a short short video of you doing those type of coins for those of us that can't exactly afford to even purchase a single Morgan let alone several. LOL
Thank you for watching! So for anything post 1964 using metals like zinc or nickel in the composition, basically all the modern stuff, I have used MS-70 to clean them and have no received details graded. I did use eZest on a copper penny in another video and it makes it more pink than red and I was concerned but I also did not receive a details grade from ANACS. I worry about eZest on Pennie’s tho. Just because of the color change. It makes it suspicious to me. I am not really into modern coins but if I ever do a cleaning on one to send in I will definitely do a video for you! Thanks again!
@@rockysramblings wow! I am so impressed with you! 1) I didn't expect ANY reply, let alone so quickly! 2) I love how you show true CARE for your subscribers thoughts and suggestions. Even those of us not so fortunate as yourself! THANK YOU, YOU'VE MADE MY DAY! I too used eZest on a copper and it did the same thing, pinkish and ugly! Oddly, both acetone (pure), nor eZest made any changes to the (clad) state quarter, (clad) National Park quarter, (clad) Kennedy, nor to the Sacagawea! Not a single change...positive or negative. I would love that, IF you ever do any cleaning on anything more modern, such as is in "today's" back rolls, pocket change, ECT. I'm otherwords, cheap. LOL (forget the zinc, they are worthless and fall apart without doing anything with them lol) but like for example I'm trying to put together a state and national Park complete P&D set (clad)
Love vids like this....when a person proves the "doubters" WRONG!! Ironically, the "restoration process" with these grading companies is probably very similar and you just saved yourself a lot of time and money by doing it yourself. Coins turned out beautiful
Hi, what do you mean you were trying to get them in your registry? Did PCGS put them in those plastic cases? Now that they are cleaned, are they worth more? Could you sell them for more? If so, where? What were their values before cleaning them? Sorry for all the questions. I'm just trying to learn. Also, what does MS65 OR MS66 OR MS70 mean? Thank you.
I will never send another coin to PCGS! They replaced a gold coin I had sent that was in at least MS65 condition and returned to me a graded coin of the same year and mint that only graded at VF30. The coin I had sent was always well cared for in a case. When I contacted them they pretty much told me I was lying and there was nothing they were going to do about it. Even though I had documented and took pictures before I sent it to them. In the end I lost about 14k - 20k on this.
@@earlmartin8309 Back when this happened the only way to get them to grade coins was to send it to them, as far as I know you could not watch them grade the coins.
Holy shit no WONDER why they are self grading even in antique stores and selling raw coins online at " you judge the grade " and then the biddings. I have seen plenty of coins other people say are worth lesser than the average sales in FB groups and such. I get it, they rather help out the little guy with higher bids over people pissing away money in grading costs 👀
This sucks because I have a beautiful 1909 VBD wheatie that is can very well be a matter. It has brighter color than the others, sunblast finish and EVEN the cresent shaped marker on the upper reverse side. Some top end hotshot in a FB group keeps knocking me down and says practically everything isnt what I think it is 🙄 because he is supposedly the emperor of wheat cents.
I just got a bunch of coins including Peace & Morgon SD’s from my mother that were my father’s. He passed away 40 years ago and I didn’t even know they existed. Anyway, I’m so confused trying to figure out what to do with them so I started watching videos. I was thinking of starting by going to the library and use the “red coin book” to get an idea of value, and then maybe pursue getting them graded? ANACS has a deal at $14 per coin for 10 coins and they are in the Chicago area in August. This video seems to show that cleaning the coins might not be the best plan because PCGS didn’t grade one of your coins and gave it a cleaned designation?
The coin they graded as cleaned was heavily worn and PCGS will pretty much give a cleaned grade to any coin they see some lines on without considering if it was normal wear or not. The others were in uncirculated condition. The easiest research you can do is to assume a grade and then check eBay for the values. If you think it’s worth it then maybe get them graded. Usually if they aren’t in high grades they won’t be worth paying to grade. Or you could take them into a coin shop and have them look at them but beware if they seem too eager to buy them off of you. Even a worn coin on certain dates can be big money.
I have a 1891 morgan proof cameo ms 64 that has a lot of Haziness on the reverse. Would you recommend sending it to pcgs for restoration, or should I try restoring it myself.
Yes, it's a PR64CAM. After watching your video, I'm considering cleaning my coin myself and sending it to PCGS for raw grading. However, I'm concerned that it might be returned without the cameo designation or be graded lower due to cleaning.
Do it Urself, I've Paid, alot toget them cleaned by A Profesional , An U can Do it just like in this video, Use Distilled Water to Rinse Off An A soft Microfiber Towel, Very Softly. U can Get the SAME RESULTS LIKE IN THIS VIDEO..ESPECIALLY THE EZEST CLEANER AND THE MS70, NOT SURE ABOUT THE ICESATONE STUFF
Thanks for your documentation - similar to my experiences. You may also try ammonia (clear) and experiment on some coins you don't care about. Especially nickel or copper-nickel. My best was an ANACS 66 to PCGS 69PL on a 1980 0.500 gold Panama coin...
Quick question, if there's a scratch on the coin and you do this, would it make the scratch look like a brand new scratch and give it away as recently cleaned?
I gotta tip that works better than buying a microscope. An iPhone 12 and up. The magnifier feature has three component. Super, super zoom, contrast and picture lock. Wanna talk catching all hidden details? Trust me you can’t go wrong
Awesome video. Love the bluegrass. You are a true collector. Nice. Really nice shine on that morgan. Mesmerizing process. Restoration, for sure. Liked and new subbed. TYVM for sharing.
I’ve got a video on their restoration service as well. Honestly they don’t do a very good job. They probably are using the “rolling” q-tip way, where as I actually run the qtip in the surface. Rolling won’t get things that are stuck on even lightly. They don’t say what they use to clean but I doubt they’re using eZest at all. Essentially I’m just showing that it’s possible to clean them without getting a details grade.
The crazy part is in a lot of cases the patina of the coin adds value and cleaning devalues the coin. A shiny cleaned coin does not make it into a shiny proof or uncirculated coin of higher value.
You can pay the grading companies to clean the coin and it’s called “restoration” If we clean it they call it details cleaned. Lowering the value. The point I made here is to clean the coin without getting a details grade.
I didn't listen to all the music, so I fast forwarded it through.....I don't understand, the first Morgan, you said you were using (and you showed it) MS 70. But when you ended the cleaning by drying it off, you said you liked using EZest....which one did you use or did you use both on all coins?
This video is just stating the obvious we have all known this for years now don’t leave it in to long or dip more then once got to be careful a lot times coins have been dipped before then you dip it again and it turns out to be one to many dips but people have been doing this for long time
Nice interesting video. Sorry I didn't catch when released. I myself have found MS70 to be best for "restoring". I have found the eZest to be too harsh, especially on any coins (no copper) that had any kind of wear/circulation. Just seemed it took luster off. MS70 was great on really nice or proof or cameo coins. Thx for the confirmation.
I only use eZest when I think it will give it a little bump in looks. Just a quick 5 second dip. Too long can remove luster and I wouldn’t use it on a circulated coin. I have found that it can help with PL & DMPL to make the fields more reflective.
ultrasonic might not be a bad idea either, suspended in a baggie full of clean solution. that and a blast of steam is used to clean accumulated crud off of jewelry, one just has to know which gemstones can't handle that kind of abuse.
I had a GORGEOUS Franklin half which just had a nasty carbon spot on it. The fields were so slick the coin almost looked proof-like. So I took some coin cleaner and a Q-tip and tried to get the carbon spot off. I did not use much pressure, either, or so I thought. The Q-TIP ALONE scratched the coin surface!!! I have kept this coin as a lesson to myself for my screw-up.
This method works on copper coins as well, but I wouldn’t use eZest. I have been able to get it to pass grading however the copper gets quite bright and looks suspicious in my opinion. I think eZest is risky on copper
I read the no cleaning requirement.. one of my silver half commems had my thumb print on it and I can see it's still there in the slab. I was wondering if they would give it a wipe but nope.. rules are rules apparently.
Hello! Is it just me or did the 1890-O lose a grading? In the beginning of the video there's a paper grading on top of the coin that shows MS64. Then later PCGS gave it a MS 63 grade. Was the MS 64 grade just a projection of what the final grade hopes would be? I ask because i have a few coins i was thinking of sending in to restore and grade. So now finding this video i might try restoring myself in a similar fashion. Thank you!
I noticed that you clean your coins with only 1 end of a Q-tip. That one Q-tip end gets very dirty. It appears that you are spreading that filth/dirt all over the surface of the coin evenly. Is that the idea? Does that help to maintain a look of originality? What would be the result if you used a clean end of the Q-tip and dipped it in MS70 and then went over the surface of the coin with a clean Q-tip?
The rinse gets all that grime off. If it gets really dirty I will swap ends. I’m just trying to make the most of the Q-tip. There’s no strategy behind it. That MS70 is slimy and somewhat thick so when you rinse it off you can feel the slimy stuff on the coin and I keep rinsing it until I don’t feel the slime anymore. Also why I use warm water to help rinse the slime off.
Good morning. Hope you’re doing well. There is a video on this platform named “BU Plus Residue Remover and Brightener Instructional Video” It’s a good one as well. I’ve used this product and works pretty well. However, it can’t remove carbon spots as the its creator or the product says. Thanks, and have a great day!
Hmmmm?😮 What about the ones that look as though they rescued from human; cat and or dog litter boxes, believe or not, they come in bank rolled coins, also!!! Ehhhh.. YES seriously.....disgusting....but true.😂😂..
I experimented with some silver dollars (not valuable ones) I cleaned them and made rainbow colors on them with a butane lighter. They came out looking REALLY impressive. But I ended up selling them for scrap silver price. Tell me what you think.
I would avoid rubbing them with anything. I know I rubbed them with this a tip but it was extremely light and had a liquid solution on it. I worry a polish rag will scratch your surface and potentially remove luster
I like the term "conserve" which really doesn't have a bias to it. BTW, I had one modern gold coin that went from ANACS66 & after conserving with ammonia (not for all coins!) went to PCGS 69PL! I don't understand the bias against ANACS as if they are not perfect certainly represent a viable option.
Because ANACS isnt as " prestigious " and bootlickers swear that NGC and PCGS are better at grading and because they charge more they have the higher price justifying it. Would it be criminal if you sent coins to ANACS and sell them at PCGS prices or somewhat under based on grades 🤔😆
Thanks for the content. It's amazing! Is there a best way to send in 40 Morgan dollars in bulk that are in bu condition at the best price to PCGS? Trying to figure out how to send a coin that's worth $70 ungraded to PCGS in order to see if it grades high without losing money lol
If it’s only worth $70 then it really isn’t worth it when you consider all the costs. If it isn’t worth at least $100 I wouldn’t send it unless you just want to for the heck of it. You might want to talk to a local coin shop and see if they can send them in for you. Sometimes they have bulk deals with pcgs.
Those cleaners are not for copper .. fine on gold and silver .. but apparently when conserving copper coins .. the grading companies use some other stuff ... Copper is a very tricky substance... after using even copper cleaner it turns them a pinkish colour...
I did use it on copper in another video. It passed inspection however I wouldn’t use eZest on copper for the reason you stated. I do use ms70 and it doesn’t seem to change its color.
It is true copper is delicate. Both copper and silver are much more delicate than gold and require an airtight dark environment. Also certain cleaning chemicals and such if too close to stored coins can actually affect them and create unwanted toning. It is why bank vault vendors choosing to keep their coins there want the vault as far away from the janitor as possible on top shelf.
If you’re convinced it’s not cleaned try to send to ANACS. I sent in a bunch to ANACS that PCGS said were cleaned and I got all but one of them with a straight grade
So why do you clean your coins other than they are more pleasing to look at, and it would save you some money from having someone else/grading company clean them? Does it make the coin more valuable?
Does ultrasonic in isopropyl alcohol disqualify the coin? Ultrasonic only remove dirt, greese , oxide , sulfide out of the metal without scratching it. Back in the day when i first got into coin collecting like 13 yrs old i used metal polish got disqualified by the appraiser.
I'm just getting started in collecting Morgans. I don't understand what the problem is with cleaning a coin. It's not like you're going in and electroplating it or something.
It’s a widely held belief that if it’s cleaned it’s damaged. Thats why I did the experiment. To see if I could clean it without any visible signs of damaging it which would give it a details grade
Basically he wants to prove a point about the difference between restoring a coin versus butchering it 😅 Trust me I have seen butchered coins in low grade sold rolls, albums etc. and can definetly tell they are cleaned 🤣
The worse offender is assholes plating the 1943 steel wheaties and destroying them in chrome just to make money off the ignorant. I bought a bit of those to educate others online with demonstrations. The real mint state steel wheaties are encased and protected.
Grading coins by PCGS Europe (is located in Paris) is very expensive where i live (i live in Switzerland). At least 100 swiss francs. That's why i don't do it.
New to Morgan's and bought a few BU's. I had an emergency and thought about selling them . The guy said he would give me spot because they had been cleaned. I understand that no one wants cleaned coins. I don't understand why people clean them. They are beautiful! Why would cleaning them make them worthless?
A couple reasons. It can leave scratches on the surface of the coin and it can damage or remove the luster of a coin. However my method does not. And when a coin has been cleaned it greatly reduces the desirability of that coin. If I were you I’d try to see if you can find any high value VAMS on the coins. If it’s a rare enough VAM even if it’s cleaned it’s worth something.
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What has been evident for 200 years is there is cleaning and there is restoration
Restoration is keeping antiquity in tack, cleaning is removing all evidence of historical fact!
I always give my silver coins an acetone bath before sending off for grading. Mainly to get rid of dirt, grease, pvc, etc. I have never used the more aggressive cleaners like MS70 or EZEST. I need to give those cleaners a try. If PCGS can restore a coin there is no reason a thoughtful and careful collector can't do the same.
Dude why aren't u wearing gloves. Why do they recommend we don't clean our coins, because it devalues it?
@@lenadial4678huh!?😂
Acetone is definitely more aggressive than MS70.
@@flower2289 how long do you leave your coins in solution & how many at one time?
@@lenadial4678gloves for what?
I polish mine on a stone wheel with the bench grinder
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Oh yes, the old cave man method. I like to use an old rock tumbler with steel shot.
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Lmao 😂
Same and I've never had a problem with the grading services labeling them cleaned.😂
I clean coins too, for many years, you're not putting on pounds of pressure only a few ounces.
This is a great video, I'm only at 4 minutes, can't wait to see what happens ! THANKS
How you get them in the registry ? I have quite a lot of old Morgan silver dollars I have cc , New Orleans and they are in mint state, I was metal detecting and I found 5 Mason jars full of them still sealed 😮, that was a very great day for me 🎉
Wow! That’s awesome. I found a toolbox full of baseball cards once but they had water damage unfortunately. And I don’t know as much about baseball cards as I do Coins ha ha. PCGS has a PCGS Set Registry app that you can enter Coins into. Hope that helps. If you want to sell any, let me know!
@@TomMack530 would you be interested in selling any? Message me on Instagram if you are. @Rockysramblings
This just confirms to me that coin grading is generally a scam. Cool video.
Thank you!
It’s all human opinion. When coins start getting graded by robots (precise cameras, microscopes) I bet we will get better and more consistent results.
Not just coins ALL grading. They create a fake market to pretend the items are rare & valuable & that the grading protects the value.
The auction houses are in on it too & it’s designed to convince people they need to pay money to preserve the value of their item. In reality, as soon as people lose interest, the value will drop. Only rare items are valuable, anything made for the mass market may be collectible, by that doesn’t add value
It's subjective for sure.
Overall coin grading is a scam...
I remember when David Hall started PCGS with the heavily advertised assurance that no cleaned coin would ever 'make their grade'.
but hall did not say conserved lol
He took the money and ran didn’t he lol
Have you been paying attention, they keep pulling this scam & moving on to new things.
Baseball cards, Comicbooks, stamps, videogames, & now VHS.
They find things people forgot about, buy the items up for cheap. Then, once they cleared the market, they get a bunch of guys together to “buy” an auctioned item for a ridiculously inflated price. Then, the story hits the news cycle about how much it sold for & the news asks, “do you have hidden treasure in your basement you didn’t even know was valuable?” But the items aren’t rare, & the auction is a lie. They always hide the auction winner’s name because it would give the grift away. Then, once people are convinced their worthless crap is valuable, they send their shit in, & pay a lot of money to be “graded”.
That’s where all the money is being made, from ignorant people who think their un-opened copy of Beauty & the Beast on VHS is worth millions, so they pay $265 to get their worthless tape graded.
@@koobs4549 Ah, yes... the ever mysterious _'they'._
@@-oiiio-3993 the employees of pcgs you eh-fing nonce
Well done on the 1899 getting MS65. Excellent result.
I sent coins to NGC to be cleaned and graded. They sent the coin back as an AU58. Broke out of holder and sent back to get better grade and it came back as cleaned.
🤣🤣 go figure
I started collecting a long time ago. When ngc and pcgs hijacked our hobby making themselves instantly the experts. When ANNACS was around longer but a few guys got together and made these grading companies. But when they started with it was cleaned , but not by us so we're letting everyone know. That's hijacking our hobby.
Yeah I do believe it’s a scam to a degree as well. You can go right on their app and see the pictures of their high graded coins and I have many times had nicer coins then what they’re showing and they give me some low ball grade. The big players get the good grades. Also the subjectivity in the grading is really messed up. With AI now there should be an easier, faster and more uniform way of grading.
@@rockysramblingsI agree 💯💯💯I’ve done the same . I told PCGS I couldn’t find my coin in their grading examples 😂my coins were far superior they offer to let u send back in yet would only improve one grade higher if they improved at all . The example of MS 65 which one of mine graded was a hideous photo mine far superior yet if it went to MS 66 it was worth $5 more . I sent an MS 67 was expecting that maybe a plus + but a 65 😢 scam
the grading companies have done far more good than they have bad. they have taking our hobby to new heights and a wider audience. good for them and us.
It IS a scam that’s been bought into & that legitimized it. It’s all the same people, they go from stamps, to coins, to baseball cards, to video games, & now VHS. They take mass market items, made in the millions, go to trade shows to buy up all the best examples. Then they put the best condition one up for auction & get a group of investors to artificially bid it up. When the item sells for far greater than it should, people think, “I have one of those in my basement” thinking they can also sell theirs for the same cost. In reality, it has no value & the only instances where they do sell big, are from other people tied to the scam. That creates a whole new market of people, digging around for their best copy of Beauty & the Beast on VHS. Then, those suckers will pay the grading company, to grade their worthless item. Eventually, people realize it an artificial market, the hype dies down, & they pivot to something new.
The coin grading market has stuck around for the sole reason that coins are also made of precious metals, and will always have some inherent value, based on the price of gold & silver. That’s why it has stayed & has more legitimacy, compared to the ones that failed, like modern baseball cards, & Beanie Babies. Those are tied more to nostalgia than anything else, where coins will always have material value
I appreciate the information on the adverse effects of using the three different products. That’s quite useful information to be know before cleaning. I’ve also noted that you’re careful with your restoring process; it’s evident as we see with the straight grades.
Thanks a lot man. 👍🏽
Thank you!! Hope it helps
Recently i had 10 Gold $20 that were in holders from the '80s (PCGS and NGC) . I took note of the grades, broke them out of the holders, and sent them in to PCGS. On return, 2 upgraded by 2 points, 2 upgraded by 1 point, 2 downgraded by 1 point, and 4 were unchanged. I suppose standards have changed since the '80s....🤔
Well this is the problem with the subjectivity of coin grading in my opinion. Sometimes it works to my advantage but most the time it’s not unfortunately
I use Dawn detergent to take off the initial oils and environmental grime before I dip. Amazing soap for cleaning even without scrubbing if you know how to use hydraulic agitation.
This is what my LCS told me to do to get the decades of dirt & grime off mine.
Man we appreciate your time, money and effort you've put into this. I've been waiting to see a video like this for a long time. I personally don't clean my coins however you've found a way to beat the system to a degree 😂. You might want to be careful the tpgc might put a hit out on you. Awesome video!
Haha well if they take me out I hope I become a saint to the coin world for becoming a coin martyr 🤣
P.S. I am not suicidal 😆
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Man that sucks that PCGS took the 1880 CC out of the GSA holder. Having the coin in a GSA holder usually makes CCs worth more.
If I remember right my holder was cracked. They gave me the option to holder the entire GSA holder, but I said not to. I didn’t know they did that when I sent it in.
@@rockysramblings oh yeah.NGC just puts a band around them with the grade. ANACS does something similar. PCGS is the only one that encapsulates the GSA capsule lol
@@rockysramblings ANACS, NGC, and PCGS will all grade GSA coins in the holders (soft and hard). NGC will also grade blue and brown Ikes as well as Redfield hoard morgans in their original case
Was hopping you would do this. Thank you for the science
Where did you get your $1,000 price point for the 1899 P MS65. I only ask because i just checked Greysheet and shows $700 🤔
@@justinwhittaker7471 PCGS price guide
Never use MS70 or EZest on circulated coins. These products predominantly work well only on uncirculated coins. If you see a blast white VF coin, that is an immediate tell to graders that it has been cleaned.
True
Cautionary note: The E-Z-Zest will etch your stainless steel sink.
Yeah, I found that out really quick!!
Good looking out. Thank ya
-From newbie doing research before attempting to clean and have graded. I acquired an 1831 $2.5 capped head left quarter eagle and id like to take proper care along the way to fetch best price. Any and all pointers are greatly appreciated
They call it MS70 for a reason. It is not intended for circulated coins. Cleaning dirty uncirculated is fine. The trick knowing when to use it to increase the value and when to accept the character that comes with age.
Yes you are correct. I wish I would have pointed that out in the video
Ok, first I want to say I absolutely love your videos showing that coins absolutely can be "restored " without creating or causing damage to the point itself. I see so many discussions on this and the negativity towards it that it's become at a point to where nearly makes me sick. Then you have those that are trying to clean them with things like ketchup and toothbrushes and toothpaste and so on and so forth that also makes me sick!
Anyhow the reason for this comment is because I realized that you are into the high dollar coinage and can obviously afford to do so however for those of us that do coin roll hunting and things of such nature and pennies nickels dimes quarters 50 cent pieces and the modern dollars which are obviously mostly circulated when you're doing wild hunts like that and I would absolutely love love love love love love to see a video of your cleaning excuse me " restoration " to the circulated more modern cornage found in the wild and or circulated as referred to. I believe I've watched all of your videos regarding this subject and have yet to find anything where any type of modern circulated coinage found in the wild... For example '70s pennies '80s nickels '90s quarters you get the idea anyways I would love to see even just a short short video of you doing those type of coins for those of us that can't exactly afford to even purchase a single Morgan let alone several. LOL
Thank you for watching! So for anything post 1964 using metals like zinc or nickel in the composition, basically all the modern stuff, I have used MS-70 to clean them and have no received details graded. I did use eZest on a copper penny in another video and it makes it more pink than red and I was concerned but I also did not receive a details grade from ANACS. I worry about eZest on Pennie’s tho. Just because of the color change. It makes it suspicious to me. I am not really into modern coins but if I ever do a cleaning on one to send in I will definitely do a video for you! Thanks again!
@@rockysramblings wow! I am so impressed with you! 1) I didn't expect ANY reply, let alone so quickly!
2) I love how you show true CARE for your subscribers thoughts and suggestions. Even those of us not so fortunate as yourself! THANK YOU, YOU'VE MADE MY DAY!
I too used eZest on a copper and it did the same thing, pinkish and ugly! Oddly, both acetone (pure), nor eZest made any changes to the (clad) state quarter, (clad) National Park quarter, (clad) Kennedy, nor to the Sacagawea! Not a single change...positive or negative.
I would love that, IF you ever do any cleaning on anything more modern, such as is in "today's" back rolls, pocket change, ECT. I'm otherwords, cheap. LOL (forget the zinc, they are worthless and fall apart without doing anything with them lol) but like for example I'm trying to put together a state and national Park complete P&D set (clad)
Love vids like this....when a person proves the "doubters" WRONG!! Ironically, the "restoration process" with these grading companies is probably very similar and you just saved yourself a lot of time and money by doing it yourself. Coins turned out beautiful
Thank you!
I did a video on PCGS restoration. In that video I said I can do a better job and had haters come at me for that lol. But this proves it!
Excellent video, you did an awesome job! Thanks for the excellent information!
Thank you!
Wow, I learned something here today. Beautiful coins.
Thank you!
Hi, what do you mean you were trying to get them in your registry? Did PCGS put them in those plastic cases? Now that they are cleaned, are they worth more? Could you sell them for more? If so, where? What were their values before cleaning them? Sorry for all the questions. I'm just trying to learn. Also, what does MS65 OR MS66 OR MS70 mean? Thank you.
I just got a ddo fs-103 kennedy back in 67 I used ms-70. And I use it regularly
Keep the videos rolling bro! HAGD!
I recall that not many years ago the grading services would notate cleaned on the holder and not assign a grade
Yes. They still do. If they can tell if it’s been cleaned
Great video. Your videos on this is why I clean most coins before I send to pcgs. So far never got a cleaned detail grade. Thanks for all your videos.
Glad to hear that! Thanks for watching
What method do you use?
Is it the same process for coins made of copper-nickel or other metals?
Yes but beware of using eZest on copper. It brightens the metal. I have another video on it where I used copper.
I will never send another coin to PCGS! They replaced a gold coin I had sent that was in at least MS65 condition and returned to me a graded coin of the same year and mint that only graded at VF30. The coin I had sent was always well cared for in a case. When I contacted them they pretty much told me I was lying and there was nothing they were going to do about it. Even though I had documented and took pictures before I sent it to them. In the end I lost about 14k - 20k on this.
Should have sued them
I wonder if you can set up an appointment with them (or another grading company) on high value coins and wait for it and or watch them to avoid theft?
@@earlmartin8309 Back when this happened the only way to get them to grade coins was to send it to them, as far as I know you could not watch them grade the coins.
Holy shit no WONDER why they are self grading even in antique stores and selling raw coins online at " you judge the grade " and then the biddings. I have seen plenty of coins other people say are worth lesser than the average sales in FB groups and such. I get it, they rather help out the little guy with higher bids over people pissing away money in grading costs 👀
This sucks because I have a beautiful 1909 VBD wheatie that is can very well be a matter. It has brighter color than the others, sunblast finish and EVEN the cresent shaped marker on the upper reverse side. Some top end hotshot in a FB group keeps knocking me down and says practically everything isnt what I think it is 🙄 because he is supposedly the emperor of wheat cents.
Would you also clean the rim of the coin to have the same color?
Yes I do clean the rims however they don’t usually clean up as nicely as the faces due to the reeding
I just got a bunch of coins including Peace & Morgon SD’s from my mother that were my father’s. He passed away 40 years ago and I didn’t even know they existed. Anyway, I’m so confused trying to figure out what to do with them so I started watching videos. I was thinking of starting by going to the library and use the “red coin book” to get an idea of value, and then maybe pursue getting them graded? ANACS has a deal at $14 per coin for 10 coins and they are in the Chicago area in August. This video seems to show that cleaning the coins might not be the best plan because PCGS didn’t grade one of your coins and gave it a cleaned designation?
The coin they graded as cleaned was heavily worn and PCGS will pretty much give a cleaned grade to any coin they see some lines on without considering if it was normal wear or not. The others were in uncirculated condition. The easiest research you can do is to assume a grade and then check eBay for the values. If you think it’s worth it then maybe get them graded. Usually if they aren’t in high grades they won’t be worth paying to grade. Or you could take them into a coin shop and have them look at them but beware if they seem too eager to buy them off of you. Even a worn coin on certain dates can be big money.
I have a 1891 morgan proof cameo ms 64 that has a lot of Haziness on the reverse. Would you recommend sending it to pcgs for restoration, or should I try restoring it myself.
Are you sure it’s a proof or a DMPL? I’ve used this process on proof coins as well.
Yes, it's a PR64CAM. After watching your video, I'm considering cleaning my coin myself and sending it to PCGS for raw grading. However, I'm concerned that it might be returned without the cameo designation or be graded lower due to cleaning.
Do it Urself, I've Paid, alot toget them cleaned by A Profesional , An U can Do it just like in this video, Use Distilled Water to Rinse Off An A soft Microfiber Towel, Very Softly. U can Get the SAME RESULTS LIKE IN THIS VIDEO..ESPECIALLY THE EZEST CLEANER AND THE MS70, NOT SURE ABOUT THE ICESATONE STUFF
Thanks for your documentation - similar to my experiences. You may also try ammonia (clear) and experiment on some coins you don't care about. Especially nickel or copper-nickel.
My best was an ANACS 66 to PCGS 69PL on a 1980 0.500 gold Panama coin...
Dang! Nice upgrade!
Dang, nice coin!
Did your restoration remove the cartwheel on the Morgans? Is the lack of a cartwheel an obvious telltale sign of cleaning?
On a BU coin, yes. My cleaning does not remove the cartwheel.
How about using a silicone brush?
What about ultrasonic cleaners do they not work ?
I haven’t tried them but my concern would be how it’s placed in the basket if it would damage the coin where it touches the basket
@@rockysramblings there are soft sided baskets
@@rockysramblings Have you tested a denture cleaning tablet briefly without rubbung on any old silver coins?
Quick question, if there's a scratch on the coin and you do this, would it make the scratch look like a brand new scratch and give it away as recently cleaned?
I am not sure. None of these coins are flawless, but If it’s a big enough scratch they’ll call it details/scratched anyway.
most Morgans have "bag scratches" on them - you CAN'T fix it - its just the way it is
many morgans/peace dollars have "bag marks" ... (minor scratches) ... i think they give the coins character !! ... you can't get MS70 with them
Thanks for doing these videos. Everyone else just hints around about it or cuts out the part where they show you how to do it.
Thank you! I just wanted to give it a try and share the results 😁
The key to pcgs is bulk submissions, but do keep in mind some higher grade just get graded with average grade in the lot.
Doesnt sound like they are doing their jobs correctly then 🙄😑
Works well with MS grade coins but not so good with circulated coins.
You don’t want to make a heavily circulated coin look super clean. It’s suspicious.
I gotta tip that works better than buying a microscope. An iPhone 12 and up. The magnifier feature has three component. Super, super zoom, contrast and picture lock. Wanna talk catching all hidden details? Trust me you can’t go wrong
Awesome video.
Love the bluegrass.
You are a true collector. Nice.
Really nice shine on that morgan.
Mesmerizing process.
Restoration, for sure.
Liked and new subbed.
TYVM for sharing.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
Dont they charge an arm and a leg to do the same thing you just did? When they say cleaned do they mean tumbled in corn cob or what? I dont get it.
I’ve got a video on their restoration service as well. Honestly they don’t do a very good job. They probably are using the “rolling” q-tip way, where as I actually run the qtip in the surface. Rolling won’t get things that are stuck on even lightly. They don’t say what they use to clean but I doubt they’re using eZest at all. Essentially I’m just showing that it’s possible to clean them without getting a details grade.
The crazy part is in a lot of cases the patina of the coin adds value and cleaning devalues the coin.
A shiny cleaned coin does not make it into a shiny proof or uncirculated coin of higher value.
You can pay the grading companies to clean the coin and it’s called “restoration” If we clean it they call it details cleaned. Lowering the value. The point I made here is to clean the coin without getting a details grade.
So people don't like the patina on old coins?
Depends how it looks. If it’s just random filth then most don’t. If it’s toning a lot of people love it
Since when dirt and grease have ANY impact on grading???
The overall appearance of the coin is part of the grade. Thats why attractive toning can give you a boost
I didn't listen to all the music, so I fast forwarded it through.....I don't understand, the first Morgan, you said you were using (and you showed it) MS 70. But when you ended the cleaning by drying it off, you said you liked using EZest....which one did you use or did you use both on all coins?
New to coins. What does MS70 mean? Isn't it also a category term?
It’s the highest grade you can get in the grading scale
This video is just stating the obvious we have all known this for years now don’t leave it in to long or dip more then once got to be careful a lot times coins have been dipped before then you dip it again and it turns out to be one to many dips but people have been doing this for long time
Nice interesting video. Sorry I didn't catch when released. I myself have found MS70 to be best for "restoring". I have found the eZest to be too harsh, especially on any coins (no copper) that had any kind of wear/circulation. Just seemed it took luster off. MS70 was great on really nice or proof or cameo coins. Thx for the confirmation.
I only use eZest when I think it will give it a little bump in looks. Just a quick 5 second dip. Too long can remove luster and I wouldn’t use it on a circulated coin. I have found that it can help with PL & DMPL to make the fields more reflective.
@@rockysramblings 👍🏻 I've got a few "proof" coins that aren't significantly valuable that I'll try eZest on. Thx for the response !
Baking soda poured on the coins with aluminum sheet in under and water. What would happen?
ultrasonic might not be a bad idea either, suspended in a baggie full of clean solution. that and a blast of steam is used to clean accumulated crud off of jewelry, one just has to know which gemstones can't handle that kind of abuse.
I usually have a sink of hot water to rinse, I find streaks don’t form later in the slab.
I had a GORGEOUS Franklin half which just had a nasty carbon spot on it. The fields were so slick the coin almost looked proof-like. So I took some coin cleaner and a Q-tip and tried to get the carbon spot off. I did not use much pressure, either, or so I thought. The Q-TIP ALONE scratched the coin surface!!! I have kept this coin as a lesson to myself for my screw-up.
What cleaner did you use?
I cleaned proof coins in another video and it went great 🤔
@@rockysramblings MS70?
@@rockysramblings Long time ago. I just could not believe COTTON could scratch METAL.
@@alankoz5067 'Mint lustre' is an oxide layer only microns thick.
Any way to clean copper coins undetected
This method works on copper coins as well, but I wouldn’t use eZest. I have been able to get it to pass grading however the copper gets quite bright and looks suspicious in my opinion. I think eZest is risky on copper
Good job Rocky.
Thank you!
What are you using to clean them? What solution is that?
MS70 and eZest
I read the no cleaning requirement.. one of my silver half commems had my thumb print on it and I can see it's still there in the slab. I was wondering if they would give it a wipe but nope.. rules are rules apparently.
Hello! Is it just me or did the 1890-O lose a grading? In the beginning of the video there's a paper grading on top of the coin that shows MS64. Then later PCGS gave it a MS 63 grade. Was the MS 64 grade just a projection of what the final grade hopes would be? I ask because i have a few coins i was thinking of sending in to restore and grade. So now finding this video i might try restoring myself in a similar fashion. Thank you!
It was cracked out of a less reliable grading companie’s holder. That’s probably why.
@@rockysramblings OOhh ok i see. Thank you!
Funny thing is, theyll call a better date coin detail even if it isnt just because its a tough date.
Unless of course it's one of thier coins or one of thier top contributors
Sir i cleaned old pennies do u think they lost value ?
Depends if they are visibly cleaned
Wonder how that would do if laser cleaned
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I noticed that you clean your coins with only 1 end of a Q-tip. That one Q-tip end gets very dirty. It appears that you are spreading that filth/dirt all over the surface of the coin evenly. Is that the idea? Does that help to maintain a look of originality? What would be the result if you used a clean end of the Q-tip and dipped it in MS70 and then went over the surface of the coin with a clean Q-tip?
The rinse gets all that grime off. If it gets really dirty I will swap ends. I’m just trying to make the most of the Q-tip. There’s no strategy behind it. That MS70 is slimy and somewhat thick so when you rinse it off you can feel the slimy stuff on the coin and I keep rinsing it until I don’t feel the slime anymore. Also why I use warm water to help rinse the slime off.
Greetings
Great video. Thanks!
Have you ever tried BU PLUS?
Nope. Never heard of it 🤔
Good morning.
Hope you’re doing well.
There is a video on this platform named “BU Plus Residue Remover and Brightener Instructional Video”
It’s a good one as well.
I’ve used this product and works pretty well. However, it can’t remove carbon spots as the its creator or the product says.
Thanks, and have a great day!
I think the coins look better uncleaned. They are old coins. Thats how i like them to look.
Hmmmm?😮 What about the ones that look as though they rescued from human; cat and or dog litter boxes, believe or not, they come in bank rolled coins, also!!! Ehhhh.. YES seriously.....disgusting....but true.😂😂..
Doesn't cleaning them make them less valuable? I have an 1887 with a golden hue, non circulated.
@@jsEMCsquared
Are you less valuable after a bath?
I experimented with some silver dollars (not valuable ones) I cleaned them and made rainbow colors on them with a butane lighter. They came out looking REALLY impressive. But I ended up selling them for scrap silver price. Tell me what you think.
Yeah they look cool but usually they’ll receive a questionable color rating if you sent it in for grading
Sometimes I use a jewelers rag polish n ’nuff to clean or lightly rub the coins so you think this is a bad idea
I would avoid rubbing them with anything. I know I rubbed them with this a tip but it was extremely light and had a liquid solution on it. I worry a polish rag will scratch your surface and potentially remove luster
@@rockysramblings kk
Can the chemical residue be sniffed by humans, dogs or machines? Or would it be easy to wash absolutely every molecules off of the coins?
Did you even watch it? I didn’t get details grades.
I like the term "conserve" which really doesn't have a bias to it. BTW, I had one modern gold coin that went from ANACS66 & after conserving with ammonia (not for all coins!) went to PCGS 69PL! I don't understand the bias against ANACS as if they are not perfect certainly represent a viable option.
FAKE 'grading'!
Because ANACS isnt as " prestigious " and bootlickers swear that NGC and PCGS are better at grading and because they charge more they have the higher price justifying it. Would it be criminal if you sent coins to ANACS and sell them at PCGS prices or somewhat under based on grades 🤔😆
Cool info to know. I'd be afraid to clean them and send them in lol, but seems like you're as long as you do it the right way.
If done it many many times now. So far no details grades
Thanks for the content. It's amazing! Is there a best way to send in 40 Morgan dollars in bulk that are in bu condition at the best price to PCGS? Trying to figure out how to send a coin that's worth $70 ungraded to PCGS in order to see if it grades high without losing money lol
If it’s only worth $70 then it really isn’t worth it when you consider all the costs. If it isn’t worth at least $100 I wouldn’t send it unless you just want to for the heck of it. You might want to talk to a local coin shop and see if they can send them in for you. Sometimes they have bulk deals with pcgs.
congrats. ive been curious on how people restore coins
Couldn’t you use an ultrasonic cleaner?
I haven’t tried it
Ty for the lesson. Appreciate you brother
Ty for watching
Does anyone use a jewelry ultrasonic cleaner? Won't it take the oil and dirt off the coins?
It probably will but there’s a possibility it could damage the coins in other ways. I haven’t tried it myself. Perhaps I should.
8:59 wow that's a huge difference it'll be interesting to see how they score
Why weren’t they graded cleaned if they were cleaned?
That’s the point. They don’t know it. It was an experiment to see if I could clean them without being “caught”.
Those cleaners are not for copper .. fine on gold and silver .. but apparently when conserving copper coins .. the grading companies use some other stuff ... Copper is a very tricky substance... after using even copper cleaner it turns them a pinkish colour...
I did use it on copper in another video. It passed inspection however I wouldn’t use eZest on copper for the reason you stated. I do use ms70 and it doesn’t seem to change its color.
I've used Coin Care & Verdi-Care on cooper and had really good results.
It is true copper is delicate. Both copper and silver are much more delicate than gold and require an airtight dark environment. Also certain cleaning chemicals and such if too close to stored coins can actually affect them and create unwanted toning. It is why bank vault vendors choosing to keep their coins there want the vault as far away from the janitor as possible on top shelf.
I have one coin that had cleaned grade does anyone know how to get the cleaned grade off
If you’re convinced it’s not cleaned try to send to ANACS. I sent in a bunch to ANACS that PCGS said were cleaned and I got all but one of them with a straight grade
So why do you clean your coins other than they are more pleasing to look at, and it would save you some money from having someone else/grading company clean them? Does it make the coin more valuable?
Eye appeal can increase the value of a coin. Besides I just figure if it’s going to get encapsulated it may as well look its best
Did PCGS force you to insert that long disclaimer in the video description?
No. I don’t even know what it says. I use Chat AI to write a long description that has keywords in it 🤣
Does ultrasonic in isopropyl alcohol disqualify the coin? Ultrasonic only remove dirt, greese , oxide , sulfide out of the metal without scratching it.
Back in the day when i first got into coin collecting like 13 yrs old i used metal polish got disqualified by the appraiser.
I’m not sure. I haven’t tried it yet.
Acetone was the only thing that cleaned the black rub rails on my Boston Whaler.
Great job and nice video.
I agree Pcgs just wants you to pay them 300 a hr to do it that’s all it’s about I believe
We need to start a market for cleaned coins which I actually prefer.
@@jessvd1 I’ve got a lot you can buy 😂
I'm just getting started in collecting Morgans. I don't understand what the problem is with cleaning a coin. It's not like you're going in and electroplating it or something.
It’s a widely held belief that if it’s cleaned it’s damaged. Thats why I did the experiment. To see if I could clean it without any visible signs of damaging it which would give it a details grade
Because there is a difference between actually cleaning coins than just restoring them. Cleaned is damaging, the latter is conservation.
Basically he wants to prove a point about the difference between restoring a coin versus butchering it 😅 Trust me I have seen butchered coins in low grade sold rolls, albums etc. and can definetly tell they are cleaned 🤣
The worse offender is assholes plating the 1943 steel wheaties and destroying them in chrome just to make money off the ignorant. I bought a bit of those to educate others online with demonstrations. The real mint state steel wheaties are encased and protected.
I did a science experiment a LONG time ago. I boiled potato's in a pot of water then used the water to clean metals. Worth a shot?
You double dip?? The dirty q-tip back in the MS-70? What!
It’s okay, it’s still using the same chemicals. It loosens debris from the surface. The rinse is what really gets it off.
So is MS100 a perfect coin?
MS70
@@rockysramblings 👍🏻 seems weird for them to stop at 70 to me lol!
@@pittsbirds1656 be an interesting deep dive.
Great video & informative! 😊
Thank you!
They tell you not to clean coins so what you supposed to do.
You “restore” them lol
Great video thanks for sharing.
The Eagle is the Reverse, The Obverse is the Front buddy.😂
So I misspoke
Excellent
Useful information. Thanks
Why dont you clean your coins while using a high powered digital microscope so you can see every crevice and detail so you can get it perfect?
Seems a bit excessive. I already pass without getting details grades
Grading coins by PCGS Europe (is located in Paris) is very expensive where i live (i live in Switzerland). At least 100 swiss francs. That's why i don't do it.
New to Morgan's and bought a few BU's. I had an emergency and thought about selling them . The guy said he would give me spot because they had been cleaned. I understand that no one wants cleaned coins. I don't understand why people clean them. They are beautiful! Why would cleaning them make them worthless?
A couple reasons. It can leave scratches on the surface of the coin and it can damage or remove the luster of a coin. However my method does not. And when a coin has been cleaned it greatly reduces the desirability of that coin. If I were you I’d try to see if you can find any high value VAMS on the coins. If it’s a rare enough VAM even if it’s cleaned it’s worth something.
@@rockysramblings Thank you for your reply and helpful info!