I wouldn't even bother trying to cross an anacs graded coin, to me anacs is just as good as pcgs or ngc if not better. Anacs has strongly become the working man's coin grading company and is just as good as pcgs or ngc at half the price.
@kevykevTPA this is the main point. Doesn't matter what you think about the quality of ANACS, most people want NGC or PCGS or it might as well not be graded. So, if your purpose is to have the most accurate grade of a coin, maybe ANACS is just as good, especially for specific types of coins, but if you care at all about resale, you aren't saving anything.
There are several dealers on RUclips who's videos I enjoy. Ben you by far are the best. I also get a kick out of Daniel from coinhelpu. He is a character just like yourself. You guys do a great job of educating us collectors.
I would love it to see someone send the same raw, unslabbed coins to all the grading companies and compare the results side-by-side-by-side. But it would probably take more than a few to detect any trends, so someone richer than me will have to volunteer!
Those ANA blue labels are getting hotter in the last couple of years. I don't think I'd cross those over unless I was going to send them in their soon-to-be PCGS holders to CAC as well.
Your videos are so great… the way you go through every coin and analyze the grade and the various detail is so helpful for us newer collectors… thank you for sharing!😁👍
I appreciate the customer doing this for the channel first off. Secondly that was a really high cross rate which is impressive. Not all Anacs coins will cross at this rate so clearly he was being selective
This video, and the one I watched the other day about CAC, all conspire to tell me two things. One is that we need more clarity as to what makes a coin a 65 vs. a 63, as just a random example. Two is we need more TRANSPARENCY, so when you try to crossover and it doesn't, they (all of 'em, not just PCGS) need to tell us why. Third, and perhaps most importantly, is that the entire industry need to readdress what grading standards even are, how they apply, and why. I am well aware that grading is subjective and as much art as it is science, but when the Big Three look at the same coin, and come up with 3 divergent values, somebody, or possibly two somebodies are wrong. A coin can't be a 67 in one place, 69 in another, and a 58 in yet another, once again just picking random numbers. People say "Buy the coin, not the holder", but in some cases, that little number on a slab will make the difference between a $50 coin and a $1,000 one, with just one or two "points", that most buyers couldn't even see if it weren't slabbed. It's almost like gambling if you think about it, especially now that two companies are competing for "Hardest Grader", like there's a prize. And I suppose there is, because over time, just as ANACS
For the amount of money and time PCGS takes, they should at least give us more details on why they come to some of their decisions (e.g. "did not cross over").
@@josefigueroa3930 heck yeah!! I'm trying...but it's a lot to learn. Theres so much bad information out there, and learning the good info like how coins are actually minted is daunting in itself lol
@@b12y5e first find out what will your 2-3 favorite coins will be which you like the most you can always like all coins but there will be some coins that you will like more than others choose your favorite and just go from there then learn about them you dont need to know 100% how they were made i dont😂😂 and coin collecting will always be my number 1 hobby
@@josefigueroa3930 great idea! I have to narrow my list down. The only reason I'm interested in how coins are made is to understand true doubled die varieties vs mint errors. I'm into errors and varieties, which dont always have the beautiful look and luster of the coins highlighted in this video.
@@ericwarner3150 When it comes to a coin graded at 70, it should be easy. 70=PERFECT. Not a single nick, scratch, bag mark, or other defect when viewed under 5x magnification. If a "professional" grader can't properly detect a perfect coin, they are in the wrong line of work.
This is a great report! Really enjoy and handle soapbox holders whenever possible. Can honestly say they sell very quickly when they come in and have had good results when selectively crossing over. Really enjoyed seeing the peripheral toning on the soapbox holders, believe some of that is due to the holders. Have also seen, what I believe to be, is some toning in the older, first gen ICG holders as well. Bought a group that had old Teletrade stickers and the Buffalo and Jefferson nickels REALLY had some cool toning and color on them. Curious if anyone else has seen this?
The only way I can see ANACS as worth the money is if you have coins that would only be worth grading at a certain grade. Like, if I had a bunch of coins that could be a BU 58 or an MS 61, and i csnt quite tell, but the value difference is pretty big. It might make sense to send off to ANACS and if you can get a 60 or 61, that either at least makes it to where you can call it MS and ask for the much bigger value, or only send off the 61's to NGC, so instead of sending 100 possibles to NGC you sent 100 possibles to ANACS, and you send the 10 61s to NGC. That could save you 50% on the 90 that came back as not worth, and you wind up having to pay for 10 of them twice, so you saved 50% on 90% and paid an extra 50% on 10% of them. That maths pretty well. For example if you sent 100 coins off to ANACS at $15 per coin, and you get back 10 that would be really valuable at the MS60 level, you send off those 10 to NGC at $30 a pop, and you saved $1200 compared to just sending all 100 to NGC to start. That's how I would use ANACS if I thought they were just as accurate as NGC, but not as resealable
This may be one of the most successful crossover subs I’ve ever seen, especially given how tight PCGS these days (its crossover rate is hovering around 30%)
On the 1925 SLQ, maybe the grader thought the coin had wear on it. It has some strike weakness, so there is some flatness on the shield and breast. It looks BU to me but I've never seen the coin in hand. Look closely and see if the coin is a super-slider.
Dude the "soapbox" reference is based on the traveling plastic bar of soap container that's two pieces (male and female) that slide in one another type thingy 😉
so could I send in a slabbed ngc into pcgs to cross over and they'd not change it should it fail os my 65+ 1921 peace I'd not want to take the risk of cracking it to cross over to pcgs but I feel it could go 66.
Busy Bee - PCGS has several crossover options. Cross to same grade or higher, cross to any straight grade, cross even to a details grade. If your coin does not cross in the first option above, they will send it back in the NGC holder (but still charge you the same as if it crossed).
Not possible, I can't believe it. I get 1 in 10 Anacs coins to cross, when I am lucky. Maybe they finally have found their eye glasses over there at PCGS? Very Nice!
Complicated question. Done correctly-no. Done incorrectly-yes. Highly unlikely to cause a details cleaned grade, but can reduce a coins grade by a point or two if overdipped. I have a solid MS64 Morgan I dipped and messed up on and it went MS62. Dip in and out quick of ezest, then rinse under hot water, dip in pure acetone, and dry with a blow dryer or blowing air source (I use a mattress inflator)
Here's a fun thought: how many graded coins would it take someone to look though in order to learn how to reliability grade coins, with no outside training, help or resources? Pretend that the person knows nothing about coins before starting.
It’s not for old people as if it was no one old enough to remember them would be around anymore I’m an Aussie and we grow up talking slang and using these old sayings a soap box was a way soap was packed 100 years ago I guess and so you took a soap box to stand on to speak in public so you stood high enough to be heard so the saying get off your soap box then you get the soap box derby young kids made them into what Aussies call Billy carts I think that’s a small cart carried behind a Billy goat and the reason they call these plastic holders soap boxes and I’m old enough to remember my Pop with these but then I saw my mum was going to travel and had one it’s just a plastic box you keep soap in.
To answer your question, MS 60 is usually a designation for gold coins that are rare and just above AU 58 unless an anacs grader is puffing a questionable pipe
How much did they charge you for the coins that did not cross or was of questionable color to them? That first nickel was one of the BEST STRUCK modern nickels I have seen...perhaps the lack of blazing luster passed them off?
They pcgs and ngc just trying to corner the market and just merge to form a monopoly to cost people more money to grade there coins it is called greed for the lack of a better word. If you are true coin collector like i consider my self i collect for the beauty and art of the coins I have loved collecting coins since my grandmother gave me a 20$ gold coin here father my great grandfather put up for her when she was born in 1908 and gave to her on her 16th birthday then she gave it to me on my 16th birthday in 1972.❤❤❤
Thank you. You made a comment that (I'd never heard before; nor have I experienced)..."you gotta have something that's really kind of detrimental to the eye to stop a coin from being a 3". Wow! I have submitted many - both to PCGS and NGC that I was sure would be (minimum a 4) and came back a 2. These were coins that are beautiful w/ I blv PL also...and just a simple 62. There was nothing detrimental to the eye; to the contrary...I was hoping for a Star for some to NGC, and a PL and a shot at 65. None of the above. It was all very disheartening. All-the-more when I studied dozens of pages of 62's slabbed for sale on the internet: many others that were 63's and some 64's, that couldn't hold a candle to the ones I'm referring to. Even so...I'm appreciative of your videos, as I learn more here. Thank you for putting these together. (I'm hoping and expecting, that someday soon, a NONPROFIT ENTITY/COIN MINI-INDUSTRY will emerge...and utterly replace the "experts" that are 'FOR PROFIT".)
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Don't break the soapbox!!
Love the math at the end of the video. I see why you are a coin shop owner and not a math professor. Great watch!
That coin made me pause for a moment too. 😊
I alway pick up something different to consider as Ben talks about grading and crossover coins.
Thanks
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I wouldn't even bother trying to cross an anacs graded coin, to me anacs is just as good as pcgs or ngc if not better. Anacs has strongly become the working man's coin grading company and is just as good as pcgs or ngc at half the price.
I agree on your statement..💯
I also swear I thought i read your name as robert watermelon 🍉
I totally disagree. ANACS is subpar. People think they are good for the cost but when they constantly miss the grades, what's the point?
I use anacs often and find them to be tough on some coins, the indian cents are especially undergraded in my experience.
Until you want to sell, at which point an educated buyer is gonna automatically deduct a point or three. Which is what infuriates me about it all!
@kevykevTPA this is the main point. Doesn't matter what you think about the quality of ANACS, most people want NGC or PCGS or it might as well not be graded.
So, if your purpose is to have the most accurate grade of a coin, maybe ANACS is just as good, especially for specific types of coins, but if you care at all about resale, you aren't saving anything.
I’m liking my 60 soapbox holders more and more.
Goals
There are several dealers on RUclips who's videos I enjoy. Ben you by far are the best. I also get a kick out of Daniel from coinhelpu. He is a character just like yourself. You guys do a great job of educating us collectors.
Watch the video of Ben interviewing Daniel Monroe it's CLASSIC 🌵🏄🦘🎨
Awesome crossover! I think the small white ANACS holders are called "soap bar" holders because they look like a small bar of hotel soap. 😊
I love cross over, crack out and open box videos. I watched the entire video. Love it.
I would love it to see someone send the same raw, unslabbed coins to all the grading companies and compare the results side-by-side-by-side. But it would probably take more than a few to detect any trends, so someone richer than me will have to volunteer!
Those ANA blue labels are getting hotter in the last couple of years. I don't think I'd cross those over unless I was going to send them in their soon-to-be PCGS holders to CAC as well.
Your videos are so great… the way you go through every coin and analyze the grade and the various detail is so helpful for us newer collectors… thank you for sharing!😁👍
What a collection!
I appreciate the customer doing this for the channel first off. Secondly that was a really high cross rate which is impressive. Not all Anacs coins will cross at this rate so clearly he was being selective
Dang it Ben! I need that 1926-D Lincoln. It’s the last UNC Lincoln I need for my complete UNC wheat set in PCGS holders.
Your collection would be cool to see...that's some fantastic UNC cents'$ in there!
This video, and the one I watched the other day about CAC, all conspire to tell me two things. One is that we need more clarity as to what makes a coin a 65 vs. a 63, as just a random example. Two is we need more TRANSPARENCY, so when you try to crossover and it doesn't, they (all of 'em, not just PCGS) need to tell us why. Third, and perhaps most importantly, is that the entire industry need to readdress what grading standards even are, how they apply, and why. I am well aware that grading is subjective and as much art as it is science, but when the Big Three look at the same coin, and come up with 3 divergent values, somebody, or possibly two somebodies are wrong. A coin can't be a 67 in one place, 69 in another, and a 58 in yet another, once again just picking random numbers.
People say "Buy the coin, not the holder", but in some cases, that little number on a slab will make the difference between a $50 coin and a $1,000 one, with just one or two "points", that most buyers couldn't even see if it weren't slabbed. It's almost like gambling if you think about it, especially now that two companies are competing for "Hardest Grader", like there's a prize. And I suppose there is, because over time, just as ANACS
That was more than two things, which clearly means I'm not qualified to be a professional grader. Or does it mean the opposite? 😂😂😂
Great video! A "soapbox" ANAC slab is very similar in size to small bars of soap one finds in hotel and motel bathrooms. Be well! Ed
thanks for sharing! I've cleaned those enclosure scuffs with toothpaste and a microfiber cloth.
For the amount of money and time PCGS takes, they should at least give us more details on why they come to some of their decisions (e.g. "did not cross over").
The math at the end did it for me. If we could all be so lucky at a submission like this!
love those peace dollar upgrades...wow
I dont know that much about coins, but I know that all of those coins are beautiful!
Its time for you to learn more and take a long trip into this great hobby 🛸
@@josefigueroa3930 heck yeah!! I'm trying...but it's a lot to learn. Theres so much bad information out there, and learning the good info like how coins are actually minted is daunting in itself lol
@@b12y5e first find out what will your 2-3 favorite coins will be which you like the most you can always like all coins but there will be some coins that you will like more than others choose your favorite and just go from there then learn about them you dont need to know 100% how they were made i dont😂😂 and coin collecting will always be my number 1 hobby
@@josefigueroa3930 great idea! I have to narrow my list down. The only reason I'm interested in how coins are made is to understand true doubled die varieties vs mint errors. I'm into errors and varieties, which dont always have the beautiful look and luster of the coins highlighted in this video.
Wow, those were some beautiful toned coins. Stunning really. Loved your math at the end. lol
Interesting, the 1924 Merc at 16:13 has a bit of rotation obv vs rev
Happy to see so many ANACS crossing
It's old ANACS crossing. Newer, I have my doubts. That's the reason all the infomercial coin seller's have ANACS 70's.
@@ericwarner3150 When it comes to a coin graded at 70, it should be easy. 70=PERFECT. Not a single nick, scratch, bag mark, or other defect when viewed under 5x magnification. If a "professional" grader can't properly detect a perfect coin, they are in the wrong line of work.
This is a great report! Really enjoy and handle soapbox holders whenever possible. Can honestly say they sell very quickly when they come in and have had good results when selectively crossing over. Really enjoyed seeing the peripheral toning on the soapbox holders, believe some of that is due to the holders. Have also seen, what I believe to be, is some toning in the older, first gen ICG holders as well. Bought a group that had old Teletrade stickers and the Buffalo and Jefferson nickels REALLY had some cool toning and color on them. Curious if anyone else has seen this?
The only way I can see ANACS as worth the money is if you have coins that would only be worth grading at a certain grade.
Like, if I had a bunch of coins that could be a BU 58 or an MS 61, and i csnt quite tell, but the value difference is pretty big. It might make sense to send off to ANACS and if you can get a 60 or 61, that either at least makes it to where you can call it MS and ask for the much bigger value, or only send off the 61's to NGC, so instead of sending 100 possibles to NGC you sent 100 possibles to ANACS, and you send the 10 61s to NGC.
That could save you 50% on the 90 that came back as not worth, and you wind up having to pay for 10 of them twice, so you saved 50% on 90% and paid an extra 50% on 10% of them.
That maths pretty well.
For example if you sent 100 coins off to ANACS at $15 per coin, and you get back 10 that would be really valuable at the MS60 level, you send off those 10 to NGC at $30 a pop, and you saved $1200 compared to just sending all 100 to NGC to start.
That's how I would use ANACS if I thought they were just as accurate as NGC, but not as resealable
Very cool video. The 1930 dime was beautiful.
This may be one of the most successful crossover subs I’ve ever seen, especially given how tight PCGS these days (its crossover rate is hovering around 30%)
Beautiful coins!! Thanks for sharing Ben!!
You have the key to share very unique metallic copper patterns.
On the 1925 SLQ, maybe the grader thought the coin had wear on it. It has some strike weakness, so there is some flatness on the shield and breast. It looks BU to me but I've never seen the coin in hand. Look closely and see if the coin is a super-slider.
I love the soap box holders
Hey Ben, ' Great ' video best in a long time.
One might say that last one had some bird poop at the bottom 😂
Appeared to balance out between the under graded and over graded. Nice new holders though.I have been using newer ANACS for years.
Great show Ben 👍
Love the Coin Geek math at the very end 😂
19:10 You know you're a Coin Geek if SLQ is part of your vocabulary.
Pcgs and Ngc never put full steps on proof coins. it should have full steps due to the proof strike.
What does it mean when a coin does not cross asking for a friend
Dude the "soapbox" reference is based on the traveling plastic bar of soap container that's two pieces (male and female) that slide in one another type thingy 😉
that was a generous grade on the 1934 peace with the rim marks!
Hi, Ben. Of all the coins, I like the Walker that you like. The toning is spectacular. Have a great weekend, Everyone!
Why cross those early ANACS? Great grades in great early holders.
Love the math at the end😂 great video
Great show.
so could I send in a slabbed ngc into pcgs to cross over and they'd not change it should it fail os my 65+ 1921 peace I'd not want to take the risk of cracking it to cross over to pcgs but I feel it could go 66.
Busy Bee - PCGS has several crossover options. Cross to same grade or higher, cross to any straight grade, cross even to a details grade. If your coin does not cross in the first option above, they will send it back in the NGC holder (but still charge you the same as if it crossed).
I think "Hotel/Motel bath soap" is more descriptive than "Soapbox". That's kinda what it really looks like.
I need that 1912 S raw to finish one of my two Lincoln sets 5:42
What is did not cross ?
never mind lol
5:45 I have always been a fan of ERICA.
Great video Ben...
as with raw coins, ANACS and ICG purchases can be risky especially when you try to cross them. soap dish holders not soapbox ben.
What I learned from this video is the skepticism and sometimes downright disrespect ANACS gets on their grading is totally unwarranted.
Not possible, I can't believe it. I get 1 in 10 Anacs coins to cross, when I am lucky. Maybe they finally have found their eye glasses over there at PCGS? Very Nice!
I’m 1 for 1 on an 1903-O Morgan in MS63. I should probably quit while I’m batting 1.000
Is dipping a coin in E-Z-Est considered cleaning?
Complicated question. Done correctly-no. Done incorrectly-yes. Highly unlikely to cause a details cleaned grade, but can reduce a coins grade by a point or two if overdipped. I have a solid MS64 Morgan I dipped and messed up on and it went MS62. Dip in and out quick of ezest, then rinse under hot water, dip in pure acetone, and dry with a blow dryer or blowing air source (I use a mattress inflator)
I’m starting to wonder is PCGS worth it? .. looks to be an aloof co. to deal with
Very nice
Here's a fun thought: how many graded coins would it take someone to look though in order to learn how to reliability grade coins, with no outside training, help or resources? Pretend that the person knows nothing about coins before starting.
Ever seen a bar of hotel soap? Hence the name ‘Soap Bar’ holder.
MS coin in old ANACS holder still have good selling price.
One of the reasons I use NGC…
It’s not for old people as if it was no one old enough to remember them would be around anymore I’m an Aussie and we grow up talking slang and using these old sayings a soap box was a way soap was packed 100 years ago I guess and so you took a soap box to stand on to speak in public so you stood high enough to be heard so the saying get off your soap box then you get the soap box derby young kids made them into what Aussies call Billy carts I think that’s a small cart carried behind a Billy goat and the reason they call these plastic holders soap boxes and I’m old enough to remember my Pop with these but then I saw my mum was going to travel and had one it’s just a plastic box you keep soap in.
22nd! Nice🎉
To answer your question, MS 60 is usually a designation for gold coins that are rare and just above AU 58 unless an anacs grader is puffing a questionable pipe
Some sucker pay big money for those toners!!
😮
Man, a few losses in the beginning, but overall it seems that he selected these coins extremely well!
Why didnt you just crack out? Or did you just want crossovers?
Crossover is safer. If they disagree, he still has the original soapbox slabs, which have value.
@@liamaudette9446 Yes. A few in this video have upgraded scores.
1943 is a 5 all day long!
How much did they charge you for the coins that did not cross or was of questionable color to them? That first nickel was one of the BEST STRUCK modern nickels I have seen...perhaps the lack of blazing luster passed them off?
Found ANACS to be excellent in grading . Prefer ANACS .
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1000%!!! 😂
They pcgs and ngc just trying to corner the market and just merge to form a monopoly to cost people more money to grade there coins it is called greed for the lack of a better word. If you are true coin collector like i consider my self i collect for the beauty and art of the coins I have loved collecting coins since my grandmother gave me a 20$ gold coin here father my great grandfather put up for her when she was born in 1908 and gave to her on her 16th birthday then she gave it to me on my 16th birthday in 1972.❤❤❤
Hotel soap box
There are actually 3 sides to every coin.
Thank you. You made a comment that (I'd never heard before; nor have I experienced)..."you gotta have something that's really kind of detrimental to the eye to stop a coin from being a 3". Wow! I have submitted many - both to PCGS and NGC that I was sure would be (minimum a 4) and came back a 2. These were coins that are beautiful w/ I blv PL also...and just a simple 62. There was nothing detrimental to the eye; to the contrary...I was hoping for a Star for some to NGC, and a PL and a shot at 65. None of the above. It was all very disheartening. All-the-more when I studied dozens of pages of 62's slabbed for sale on the internet: many others that were 63's and some 64's, that couldn't hold a candle to the ones I'm referring to. Even so...I'm appreciative of your videos, as I learn more here. Thank you for putting these together. (I'm hoping and expecting, that someday soon, a NONPROFIT ENTITY/COIN MINI-INDUSTRY will emerge...and utterly replace the "experts" that are 'FOR PROFIT".)
*FIRST!*
First what ? First to show grade 2 maturity level. This is for you.
Ben, soap box, from a hotel, they ate not full size bur miniature.
Slq was 63 all day
600th like lol I'm happy when I get 20 likes ha!
Uhm,....its a "motel" soap box.