Website Article: christitus.com/atlasos-review/ Referenced LTT Video: ruclips.net/video/dc7CIkZcWYE/видео.html Please note: I do NOT review Custom Windows ISOs. If it requires you to download an ISO from a shady file sharing site or torrent... IT SHOULD NEVER BE USED!
Am I sounds correct? If it's lite weight custom windows, can we strip down unwanted things further and make it as container for linux, since it's open source can't it good way to run windows binary in linux, for example consider vanilla os it's immutable os and have container for every possible linux, share your thoughts, I hope you will note this comment...
Hi Chris Titus Tech. I have very important questions.(For me is important your answers.) 1. When is new CTT Windows toolbox release? 2. Is it offline? 3. Is it will have Windows Update and Windows Defender delet or shut down permanently options? 4. It will support Windows 10 : a. iot enterprise ltsc 2021 ? b. enterprise ltsc 2021 ? c. pro 2004 and 2009 pro ? Thank you very much for your time and response.Have a good day.
Tried to buy your Rasberry Pi OS today & thought you should know the discount code no longer works- after logging in & filling out my Credit card info when I put in the code (ALL CAPS as per your vid TITUS50) It tells me that it's an invalid discount. I detest bait & switch tactics so I won't be buying it unless you fix the issue before the aforementioned May 2nd deadline.
Any chance at a W11 based version? Definitely a few features (HDR calibration and proper/great dx10/11 boarderless window's integration to name the big ones) would like to see. And as mentioned in the video, definitely think UAC needs to be opt-in-able, same with smart screen and defender. More transparency is always a good thing as well. I realize documentation is a pain, but it a great thing to have (even for yourself as a developer).
I understand your concerns with AtlasOS, but your concerns are actually the reason why Atlas is attractive to me. You said it perfectly when you said that it can be used as a temporary system just for certain tasks you might want to accomplish. I'm going to go ahead and pick it up and check it out for an offline device.
I only listen to Anthony from LTT. They need to allow him to do more Linux videos. But, since that channel is more for windows users, specifically gamers, that won't happen.
Exactly, I rarely take them seriously these days, as their Twitter account even tried the other day to spread the fudd to idiots that Linus Torvalds got bit by a Penguin has to how Tux became the mascot, and in the same post that Linus Torvalds created "Linux OS" 🤦♂️ I pointed the falsehoods out, and lord, and did I get an earful from the idiots who follow him.
I like their hardware challenge videos (e.g. "can you run this PC in a chamber with -40c temperature") but seeing their video about Atlas is like one of their biggest fault, as not all of their subscriber are aware of security issues
AtlasOS is for people who use Linux as daily driver but still need a windows virtual machine for some proprietary apps and gaming. This is the best use case for AtlasOS in my opinion. And I think Chris did a great job of explaining why people can't use AtlasOS as main operating system the main reason being some of Windows security features are disabled by the AtlasOS team. and i guess everyone knows how good is the relationship between windows and viruses. :)
You're actually right. As a fellow GNU/Linux user my virtual machines were running Windows 7 Pro but now I might finally switch to Atlas for modern feel and this might be it.
So glad to see you did a video on this. Just learned about it because of the LTT video and was wondering how safe it is. Writing this comment before I actually watch the video admittedly, I installed it on a spare laptop I have and the only complaint I have about it is it seems like they really stripped the OS down to the point where you can't even add stuff like group policy editor into windows home like you normally would. I'm sure your video will shed some more light on everything for me though.
@D Reaper Stop the hate train, noone really needs to do anything to get their Windows running on their system, these stripped down system are for .. whoever .. people that apparently think they need it like that to get the system working for them. But then they have like a PC or Laptop from 2013, that was even 2013 already outdated by like 5 years. People really having 4GB RAM Systems in 2023 is not Windows fault, people still not wanting to change that 32GB SSD to a 500GB SSD for like 20 Bucks isn't Windows fault either. We all know the good ol' "The Main issue to any Problem, usually sits in front of the PC" is the classic case here. But I'm happy for you, that you enjoy your Linux.
@@Electric_Doodie you are exactly the problem my guy. You're definitely the type to just throw away a perfectly good PC based on this reply. The entire purpose of atlas OS is to repurpose old and out of date hardware that would otherwise be e-waste. If this is truly how you feel it really sucks knowing that you're definitely not the only one who feels this way. But it also makes it really apparent why the planet is literally dying from waste.
@D Reaper and anyone that buys a PC / Laptop with like 4GB of RAM or a 750 GPU or whatever, nowadays, NEW, kind of deserves that the system doesn't work. Don't get me wrong, I know that people use old, like really old hardware, but Windows 10 easily works, non modified on any 10 Year old System, even nowadays. What some of these people don't have is a SSD, their 10 Year+ old HDD is dieing, etc and yet they refuse to go the easiest route in theory and rather think a "Debloated" Windows will save it all, which it doesn't.
@@thisismelsemail1217 I don't tho, I gave away my perfectly functional system from like 2017 (with a 1070) to a friend when I didn't needed it anymore. Yet there is no reason to use a Debloated Windows for it. And people who still are on a System even older, might have completely different issues if their system is completely slowing down then just old hardware (No SSD for some, bloated over the years and never did a fresh install, etc). There's so many things that just makes these Debloated Versions obsolete in many cases, because the gains are so marginal / non existent at all.
@@Electric_Doodie well my laptop fro. 2011 disagrees with your statement. Running an old AF pentium CPU and 4 gigs of ram, it just simply can't run windows 10. I've been stuck running windows 7 on it despite the security risks. Now I can at least run windows 10 and have slightly less security risks and the creature comforts of win 10. It's all to each their own, I just strongly disagree
I'm a software developer and I use Atlas OS as a VM image for testing. So far, I have not come across any problems with things either working or not working that don't also behave the same way when deployed on our own desktop images within the org. Basically, I use it as a sanity check. Once it works on my VM, I give it to IT for deployment testing, with a fair amount of confidence that I'm not wasting their time. For me, the lack of security, small size, and tiny resource footprint are kind of the point. My hope is that the scripts will ultimately be flexible enough to include or exclude security features for those of us who either like to live dangerously or who sandbox it as a testing environment.
@Fancy Tophat Indeed. I also develop for Linux and try to stay in that OS as much as I can. I personally jumped ship a couple of years ago, but, for better or for worse, I was a Windows desktop dev for a long time, and my org has lots of those still in use.
yer a bullshitter AtlosOS marketer. If you are in the industry you CLAIM you are in, youve been using DISM, SCCM, InTUNE, NTLite and GPO for a DECADE(S). The only thing this project does that ISNT ALREADY standard practice- is ripping out defender and SPECTRE mitigations. Typical virtualization platforms are so CPU rich, that disabling SPECTRE mitigations in the VM image, or NOT -- is mostly inconsequential. Its generally considered a waste of time. I distrust this Project because of the validation they seek
I'm a CG artist and looking at installing it to see if it improves render times, but mainly latency. I can't stand how slow W10 even with all the registry optimizations and bloatware removed. As far as security, I don't care if Defender or whatever Pedosoft installed isn't there. I have better tools for that. I just want speed. If people stopped watching sites they shouldn't be at, their computers wouldn't be infected as often, it's common sense. There was an article a while back the author showed how unnecessary antivirus are nowadays with modern software. I mainly go to a few safe sites, and that's it. If anybody is worried about security, they can install it on a separate drive or something.
I'm really happy with the choices the Atlas devs made, also the security ones. My usecase is I am a musician, I play vst's on my dedicated laptop in Cantabile, and I don't want any random virus scan starting when I am in a pianosolo. Also, it is always offline. My OS needs a fileexplorer, a startbutton, and that's it.
It's insane to me that Atlas (and ReviOS) has gotten so much attention recently (mainly due to LTT). It's been around for years, being a custom ISO at first only recently using the playbook / post install method.
However, all these tweaks etc while the desktop might feel snappier (due to animations disabled), it doesn't actually have a performance or latency impact. If anything it's worse. People have tested these tweaks with LDAT tools and other various benchmarking tools and nobody has been able to prove them wrong.
Might be kind of silly but MSPaint being removed would be a real bummer for me. I don't use it for anything major but I use it for a lot of quick tasks because it's easy to use to accomplish some simple tasks.
This is my thoughts on this Chris and yes I watched the LTT video, I can see myself maybe using this in a duel boot situation possibly running this as a Gaming only OS and then duel booting a more secure OS for anything else. I definitely think Atlas has hit a homerun with this in terms of creating a better suited OS for gaming, but I'm in agreence with you on the holes this leaves in security. I wouldn't do my banking on it lets just put it that way and leave it there. I think I'd duel boot this and use some type of more secure Linux Distro for those sorts of tasks. Cheers
Hi! I've been using Atlas for a year, and I had 0 problems. I ran into no virus, nothing malfunctioned, and the installation was a piece of cake. I was able to run all games with no problems and a huge FPS boost, and I could even run some games in higher settings with the same FPS I had in normal windows using low settings. I don't recommend it to people who are bad with tech and follow instructions, though.
@@robineftw I like to hook my computer up to my TV and play games with the wireless controller sometimes. My point was about Atlas not about you personally.
Here is my take on it. The update system of Windows 10 and 11 is extremely aggressive. It downloads updates without your permission and installs them without your permission. Even if you specifically tell Windows 10/11 to stop updating (*turn off automatic updates*), it will STILL update. If you stop the service for automatic updates, another service will start that service again. If you disable ALL services that have anything to do with automatic updates AND you edit the registry to disable it, Windows 10/11 will still find a way to update. I, for example, followed a very complicated RUclips tutorial on how to disable automatic updates on Windows 10/11 once and for all, which included turning it off, persistently disabling four services, going into the registry and changing many lines there... and I thought it worked... until Windows 10 started updating again... The only way to stop automatic updates on Windows 10/11 without shutting off Internet, is to completely break Windows 10/11. Not disabling some things, but actually destroying it. Cripple it. Cutting off its arms and legs. Make it such that Windows 10/11 simply *cannot* update any more, because all body parts responsible for that are cut off, at the very base. That is the only way to stop automatic updates. So, I hail AtlasOS for doing that! 😀 It's like a robot that keeps walking, despite you having pressed the button 100000 times to stop walking. Then you use the physical switch to remove the connection to its legs, but the robot - somehow - still manages to use those mechanical legs. Then you cut off the wires leading to those legs. The robot now stops walking, but after a while, it starts moving its legs again. Then you physically remove the robot's mechanical legs, so that no matter what, the robot just *can't* walk any more, because the legs are missing. That is the only way to disable automatic updates with Windows 10/11. Not trying to disable things, but remove them. Remove them completely. Completely cut off part of the system. Remove the robot's mechanical legs. Only then, the system stops updating.
@@kiwd-dynamic. I don't know what YOU are talking about. Windows 10 and 11 don't give a "Download updates" button. They just download and install those updates. Your desire does not matter; Windows 10/11 decide for you. The only way to stop this, is to either disconnect from the Internet, either demolish a large number of services and registry entries in Windows 10/11 to make Windows 10/11 incapable of updating. I did the latter. It took some effort, but now Windows 10 has finally stopped updating. 🙂
Thanks for this video. I saw LTTs video yesterday and I went to your page looking for a review, lol. I am no gamer so I wouldn't use this, I have been strictly Linux since last year June. But, I always appreciate your honest and unbiased input. Thanks again.
Thanks for the PSA! As it's kind of touted as a gaming OS and most games have to be run online now, not having security features is just asking for trouble.
I was fully expecting this video to just be you dogging on Atlas for 16 minutes, but you brought up a lot of good points and were very constructive about it, nice video.
Hopefully they add a way to customize the optimization process. Thanks for giving it a spin and sharing your thoughts. I'll keep on eye on Altus since I like the idea but you're right to much is removed to be put on a daily driver.
@@radnotred since you guys apparently name your self tech enthusiasts, how come, that you guys by default made Atlas the way it is (aka actually bad, by removing even the most important features, like Trim/Defrag, etc)? I really wish to know how you guys decided on what to disable and what to keep enabled.
@@rFey I still wouldn't disable Trim for a SSD. And since Atlas is supposed to be for weak systems, which might not even have SSD, Defrag is still a valuable feature for these HDDs.
its a dedicated task OS, so theres that, as far my experience, IT KICKS ASS !!!! ITS GOOOD if you only want to use 1 apliction, like music making, or video editing, or graphics design, WITHOUT all the BS in the background, soooo good !!!!! i like it a lot !!! I DO RECOMMEND FOR DEDICATED TASKS
I think installing ReviOS through the ISO is much better than using playbook by an infinite amount of times, because playbook isn't the most stable and it's better to install the drivers you want, not the ones that are automatically installed. ReviOS also has a playbook as well.
We are forgetting what are the operating systems for. They're for: 1. Managing processes, memory, threads, mutexes / semaphores, etc. 2. Managing files and filesystems. 3. To support network (protocols stack, certificates, etc). 4. Managing devices. Current Windows is a huge bloatware. My corporate laptop Windows directory is 43 GB! And it was freshly installed less than a year ago. With time it grows even larger! I'm nostalgic about Windows NT 4.0, which needed a couple of hundreds of megabytes. Yes, now there're cooler filesystems, different hardware, different network protocols. But it shouldn't consume so much disk space! And we do have examples - there're a lot of modern tiny Linux distrtos, consuming less than 1GB of disk space. And they're on a modern kernels, they're secure. I do not need Windows Defender (It never catched any virus in my history), I hate meltdown mitigations. I never used restore points (I always disable them). They rarely helped me in case of problems with Windows and it's pretty easy to re-intall Windows and my set of tools. I'm using Atlas in KVM, it saves a ton of disk space and it's much more responsible.
It's likely negligible unless you're using very low-end hardware. Many extreme steps or tweaks don't really affect performance like amount input latency or fps,
@@skittles.abuser Some tweaks are but many tweaks have none when actual testing is done. My point is 90 percent of the tweaks out there don't really help performance. Much of it is more to get rid of annoying things Microsoft has put in or if you are running on very low end system.
@@bradmiles1984 okay show me your test with default windows and new atlas, for most it wont affect fps but i think latency it can help a decent bit. for me it loads a lot faster thats for sure and my fps is a lot more stable
@@skittles.abuser Your asking me for test data but not providing your own. Have you played the same game for extended periods recording the fps on stock and atlas? Channels like Freethy have used actual testing software to test various tweaks and see effects on fps and input latency. There are very few things that actually give an appreciable effect on fps and latency. 1) Enable XMP/DCCP in bios 2) Tune the timings on your ram 3) undervolt/overclock your cpu 4) Make sure your GPU is in MSI mode 5) Set the min gpu frequency with 100mz of the max in your overclock to keep it running at a consistent mhz which helps with hitching/jittering 6) Make sure you have adequate thermals and not being thermal throttled. This isn't to say Atlas won't help older hardware which is barely passing the minimum hardware needed for games. In those cases lightening the load of the OS will have an impact on fps because the game has more resources to use which was shown in Linus video but they were using old hardware not a modern gaming rig.
I'm copying a comment i left on another atlas video but i really liked your take on it you expanded on some things i was curious about. In my experience so far the performance gains are almost too hard to ignore. It's made a little gateway folding netbook/tablet with a Celeron an 4gb of ram and 60gb of storage a completely usable computer again. it is actually faster to start and run basic stuff than my gaming laptop. I rarely used the computer prior to atlas because it was very slow and then ran out of storage during a windows update. Now the pc is very responsive and performing far beyond what i ever expected from the hardware. Between the responsiveness of the system and the battery life and convenience of folding it to tablet mode I've found it to be my go to pc for anything simple and quick. That all being said i may look into the uac stuff and maybe antivirus but im not logged into anything on it so whatever if it dies i'll wipe it again
Just for fun, I decided to install it on an old 4 core/4 thread CPU / DDR2 'puter and with just it and an SSD instead of a spinner, it is VERY snappy! It feels just as fast or faster than my I9 9900K rig, on which I have as stripped down as possible version of Winders' 11. I have more playing with it to go to finish checking it out, but so far, other than the security concerns, it's great.
So for a completely isolated machine, out of the network, say, not to do any kind of social stuff, browsing the internet etc, this would be great, to use exclusively as a CADD workstation for renderings and dedicated solely to work. sounds too good to be true. Thanks for sharing Chris. (BTW, I find somewhat confusing downloading the OS from their site at least to try it in a VM)
They don't post ISOs, which is good. Just grab an official W10/11 ISO and throw it on your VM, then download the tool to apply all the tweaks. It's really nothing special, just some general services disabled, an "Atlas" folder in you windows directory with extra tweak options, and some security components removed (if you select to remove them, btw don't do that lol). It's more of an optimization tool than a customized windows install in my opinion, but it works well if all you want is a quick way to barebones your install.
And right after i asked brodie Robertson on whether he'd go for atlas or your script, you made a video. Glad to know your opinion on this, i did cringe when i saw the list of removed stuff on the ltt video
After your video on Tiny11 I was waiting for this one. Glad to hear there are good parts about it. If I was to install it, it would be for an older gaming only PC or my old Surface Pro 2, but I won't bother until they stop removing the security focused applications like Defender. As always Chris, love your content. I've been in the computer industry for around 25 years, but you're never too professional to keep learning new things and I always learn something new from you.
I run this on my gaming PC although I literally only use it for gaming. So I've installed geforce experience, logitech ghub, steam, and a handful of other game launchers. And that's all I plan to ever install. For me, it's a great experience.
Hey man this is pure GOLD imagine how many vm's running bots u can do with all this crap stiped out like windows updates uac defender this is pure gold, ty for showcasing it.
I enjoy your Videos Chris, Atlas sounds exactly like what I want lol. Been doing this for 40 years so I'm no noob here. And frankly, I don't want any of Window's so-called security. I've been running 7 bare metal for a number of years now and I see no reason to re-add any now. But I get where you're coming from for those who don't have a clue what they are doing it's risky. I stopped all Windows updates and neutered Defender when they started putting Windows 10 updates in critical updates. That really pissed me off! But now I'm at the point where most major browsers have stopped updating and I guess I'm forced to move on kicking and screaming :) This should be an interesting experiment.
Chris, you said you get red flags from downloading an ISO, but you're all cool with tools that inject code into the ISO you're about to install. I mean I do understand what you're saying on the red flag for some modded OS ISO. Make your statement(s) make sense in their comparative please. I know I think too much, that's why I started learning COBOL in 1976 on a Burroughs. I enjoy your channel, thank you. Had to throw you and old school smile of course.
When it comes to custom Windows isos I would just use one of the ones from Windows X lite because they have option in the installer to have Windows defender or not and I bet all the security features are there and even Windows updates work you just have to resume them. The only negative thing about the isos from Windows x lite is page file/virtual memory is disabled but enabling it is easy to do by clicking on their custom enabler to enable virtual memory.
I'm glad this exists. Not everyone wants security features forced down their throats. If you want to make security nerds happy you'd end up with stock Windows anyways...
Exactly. Security features basically become bloat at some point, especially on older/weaker hardware. Of course Chris probably sees no performance loss from "VBS" for example, but he's probably using a pretty recent and high end machine.... not some lower end 10 year old machine that may have issues.
I'm actually using Atlas Os and my old secondary computer just for simple and not very powerfull game or coding exercice (as I'm a student in IT) So I'm very happy with Atlas and yup don't use it as your primary and personnal and privacy computer ! Just be aware of that ! Great video !
11:28 I 100% disagree. Taking what they've done and completely deleting it is exactly what Atlas should do. It's up to the user to implement their own security features and software, and enable/disable them when needed. Atlas is the blank paper and you've got the pen. That's the whole point. Whether it's being mismarketed is an entirely different thing.
I always I'm searching in the net for that "slim", "tiny", "ultra", "lite", Windoze stripped, cannibalized, unsecure and light Windows 1x... and I have to say, AtlasOS break the magic barrier not only achieving a less of 50 process Windows, also, is functional, no gimmicks, no tricks, and it takes to a new standard, a very thin and powerful Windows, that can be used in the real world... well, in our daily life, and it feels always snappier, fast and beautiful to use. I'm amazed.
Still running Windows 7 in 2023. Virus free. Issue free. For the last 10 years. The first thing I do is disable Windows Defender, Superfetch, Windows Aero, Windows Search Indexer, WIndows Update. So how could I and can I run virus free for that long, with zero worries. Simple. I don't download and try random crrp from anywhere and everywhere. I did all that back in the 90's. Now I know exactly what I need and use, and who the publisher it is it comes from. If you never download install software from a sketchy third party site, from pirate bay (cracked and loaded with viruses), etc... if you never install anything with a virus... you never get a virus. It's... just... that... simple. You don't need to nor do you want to run Antivirus software on your PC all the time. That's like running snow tires on your car year around in the Southern United States. And if I were, for whatever reason to get a virus, this is what I do. You can't "clean" a PC any more Viruses are now payloaded to install a plethora of multiple attacks. There is no cleaning. There is only reformatting. Get your files off the drive, then reformat and reinstall a fresh copy of windows. I haven't had to do that though in 10 years. Back in the 1990's when I was trying to get my hands on expensive cracked software off of Piratebay or Limewire... OMG... yeah. Don't. There is no honor amoung crackers like in the 90's. Hard for me to say, but sad but true... you're better off paying for a lite version of the software you want just to be virus free. A lot of the things you are fraking out in this video... don't matter. Microsoft telemetry harvesting though.. yeah that does matter. If I can't get Windows 7 with USB drivers rolled into it to run on my new Ryzen 7950x, I'm going to at least be evaluating Atlas (uggh, ha8t3 10/11) as a last ditch effort before installing Arch and trying to botch my way around running windows apps under linux, which has never ever worked for me. Mainly, I need Sony Vegas.
How cool, it just so happens I had been thinking of making my own 10 clean. Which I will still do, I slipstreamed XP with the service packs years ago because the updates were so long, I will look at Atlas mistakes and have my own 10 gamer, I run Linux Mint, I have since 2011, but I have an SSD with 10 on it, for a few of my games, and some updates for hardware. Thanks Chris, the timing for me on this was perfect ~Ramburner
Hi Titus, great video! Would you mind looking at new MSMG Toolkit 13.3 for creating custom Windows 10 ISO? I have watched your previous videos but with newer version seems lot of options have been added.
Thanks for this video. I was looking at Win 10 Enterprise LTSC before AtlasOS crossed my path. I'm also now aware of debloat options but know next to nothing about them, so I'll be doing research on what's out there. Sadly I'll need to upgrade my OS next year so crunch time is getting close.
Great video. I think you're right, this isn't for the average user. I don't like AUC, but it is better than nothing. I do run Windows without Edge and any virus controls, but my go to is to reinstall. I also only use it for non-secure things like games. No email, shopping, banking or anything else that is personal goes on anything Microsoft. Thanks for a great video. I might try this on bare metal with only one drive to see how it compares to a bolted Windows install, which is inspired by you video.
In my opinion, AtlasOS is just fine for everyday use if you are aware of the security issues, and have the ability to navigate them (like me for example). Also, if you are a normal user, I do not recommend using it. Atlas devs need to improve a lot more to make AtlasOS suitable for everyone. May 24, 2023 3:15AM
This might be what I need for a specific use case... Input USB 3.0 PTZ camera and run NDI tools to convert the video to NDI. I have a little J4105 computer doing this now with your scripts, but I'm up at 95% CPU and bumping up near 99% too often for comfort. At 99% or 100% the stream glitches which I want to avoid. Your tools got me closer from the default Win10 it shipped with, there might be a few other things I can safely strip out. If they make a security feature version that might give me back that 5% I need to be more stable.
I thought this was a very good review. I too had been lured in by the recent AtlasOS hype but became wary about installing after reading some of what was removed, or more specifically by what I didn't see in the summary. I didn't have time to deep dive so what you have done is a great summary and very useful. It seems prudent to me, that many such stripped back installs are likely to be attractive to people getting into coding or IoT on a budget. From a naive perspective they will see a performant OS that flies on their low cost or old hardware, but they will be laid bare to the internet in the process. It's not good, so if a group wants to offer his type of OS well and good, but make the warnings overt so that newbies don't find out the harm way!
This should prob be updated, this is a very old version. I've played around with a lot of operating systems and tweaks , this OS was so easy to install and gave me a solid improvement on global performance. I'm a bit of a gamer and it gave me very solid increases in FPS. It gives you security options when installing. Their website has also been updated. I've never left a review before for a OS but I did it on trustpilot just for this OS.
It's not "brand new" at all, Atlas has been around for a while. Custom ISOs have always been the norm, the reason that norm has broken now, is because the AME team finally released their Ameliorator Wizard, which currently recognizes both Atlas and ReviOS Playbooks as "verified", in addition to AME's own AME 10 and the most recently released AME 11.
if atlas is going through having a custom program to make the ISO, I could say it wouldn't be too much less effort to add a checklist that keeps or deletes part of the script so you aren't left with an insecure system at the end of the day.
Using the TRIM command reduces the amount of data an SSD needs to move during the garbage collection process and reduces the amount of erase cycles, enabling the drive to last longer. By avoiding unnecessary copying of invalid data, the write performance of the drive speeds up.
The more I look into this thing, the more it makes me think of what Windows would look like if everything was stripped out of it to turn the clock back to the "good old days" where Windows didn't have tons and tons of bloat running that the end user never knows about. The problem with that, is the "good old days" were a time before an always on connected world. It was normal to be offline most of the day while on the computer and when were you were online, the connection was far slower than it was today. Even today's average connection speeds that are on the slow side are lightning fast compared to what the "good old days" had in many cases. Back then online attacks against the PC were an issue, and I'm sure we all have many stories of how things went wrong back then, but it still wasn't as bad as the malware landscape we have today. Unfortunately, the "good old days" are gone and no matter how much people want them back with Windows, Microsoft is going out of their way to ensure they don't come back. If you need to rely on a project like AtlasOS to have a usable computer to your specifications...it's time to ditch Windows IMO. I DO think projects like these are fun for messing around with the system and seeing what extremes you can push it to and people have been doing stuff like this to Windows decades and that's fine. But today's cyber landscape with all the cyber security issues from being in an always on connected world changes where these fun projects fit in. I think they'd fine for an offline toy, but unless you are 100% confident you can secure it on a network with Internet access and stay on top of all the ways someone can find their way onto the system, it's not for the majority of people out there.
Yeah I was remembering when the "fastest" internet speed in 2007 was about 512Kbit/s to 1Mbit/s (64-128KBytes/s). Can't even play RUclips videos at 240p without constant buffering back in the day
Chris, why are you now saying we should have windows security features, when a couple months ago you explained how useless those security features are, and even showed how to make a custom windows ISO that doesn't have any security stuff in it?
Nice vid Chris. here is an idea ...how about create a video about PC Recovery tools? I was thinking about using Hirens but then came across MediCat? which would be the best option to go with?
I use AtlasOS in a VM under VanillaOS (Linux). I don't give that VM internet connection access. It just runs Adobe apps that I need for work daily, any internet related things and gaming I do in the host (VanillaOS). So far running great for months now.
I immediately thought of you and your debloat script when i watched that LTT video. The longer linus went on the more i thought exactly what you said in this video. I don't think Linus cautioned people enough of how dangerous AtlasOS can be.
Chris why did you not say that they removed defender but that you can install any antivirus yourself if you want to have one, most people who need to have an antivirus install third party ones themsleves... feels a bit disingenuous to highlight so much on security when it can be handled by third party software, the point of this was to remove windows bloatware and make it a snappy windows experience and they did achieve that by removing most of windows background stuff which includes the windows security.
I will have to say, the smaller the codebase, the smaller attack vector that a program will have, not always true, but when you're talking about the scale of windows, it's very much true. I've heard rumors that microsoft is trying to reduce the codebase for windows 12 and I hope they do.
If they are smart they will do everything they can to optimize it for gaming, because they are dangerously close to losing that control due to the success of the Steamdeck, and since Apple has control of the creative PC market, and Linux has control of the server market, Windows will become obsolete fairly quickly if they lose control of the gaming market.
@@WARnTEA You forget Microsoft office products plus a lot of proprietary apps that work only on windows, so no Microsoft doesn't have to worry about anything. Their main customers are enterprise users, then consumer.
@@dipanjanpalchowdhury6012 No I didn't forget about that. Linux already has a huge foothold on the server market, and if consumers get used to daily driving linux, then its really not a large leap for enterprises to transition to linux permanently as it is cheaper. The main reason Windows is preferred so much in these markets is because the people making the decision to use windows grew up with Windows. Obviously Windows won't just disappear over night, but it will hit a tipping point eventually where it is un-savable. This transition will be made even easier by the increased use of smart phones and tablets in the enterprise space. Computers aren't used nearly as much anymore by the new generations, now that they've grown up with smartphones and tablets. Consumer interest in switching from windows to linux can not be underestimated. It might seem like its just the gaming market, but a lot of those gamers will become programmers and they will likely end up developing for linux, and more linux development only speeds up their ability to make linux more user friendly and robust, as well as building better programs that can replace proprietary windows programs. The better linux gets the easier it is for companies to justify migrating.
@@ogstringer that was back when microsoft's stocks were in a general downfall. now that they pivoted to cloud services they've gone up and are ready to put some money into improving windows. apparently windows 12 is gonna be another windows 10x, meant for low power devices and tablets. I hear it's not gonna look much different than windows 11, but only time will tell. maybe in a year or two it will look completely different
Thanks! From Average Joe Tired of my wife complaining about Windows Slow-down and your warning on Atlas! Instead I'm installing other tools you recommended
Hi Chris Titus Tech. I have very important questions.(For me is important your answers.) 1. When is new CTT Windows toolbox release? 2. Is it offline? 3. Is it will have Windows Update and Windows Defender delet or shut down permanently options? 4. It will support Windows 10 : a. iot enterprise ltsc 2021 ? b. enterprise ltsc 2021 ? c. pro 2004 and 2009 ? Thank you very much for your time and response.Have a good day.
Chris, if you have an Atlas box and only used something like Steam for games and nothing much else, are there any security concerns? You’re not checking mail or surfing - where is the risk?
I see this being great to repurpose an old pc to use for offline gaming. Keep it disconnected from the network and the internet. Use a separate machine to download any software and games you want to install on it.
@@samyt681 Windows IoT Enterprise is exactly the same as Windows Enterprise just with an LTSC license. That's completely different than using Atlas OS.
Hopefully can run my 2013 year laptop with this in the future with quiet fans. But definitely need Windows updates and ability to do serious hardening.
I discovered atlasOs about a year ago, I usually use it when I need a quick clean vm to test random stuff, afterwards that vm gets deleted. Until I discovered in this channel that ltsc existed, then i just snapshot it back and that's it
Some friends of mine were jumping through various "gaming ISO's" around 2-3 years ago. Atlas was still relatively new then but it was generally the favourite of all the guys. They tried Revi, ggOS, FoxOS, Tiny10, Fr33thy, Ghost Spectre, Tech Yes City, etc. Actually insane to me that somebody would install a custom ISO from random people. Meanwhile I just ran a barely tweaked old faithful LTSC.
@@griffin1366 The best Windows custom ISO is the one you mount yourself with tools like NTLite. Never trust "Gaming ISO" and other Custom ISO made by random glowie guys on the internet, whatever it is Windows or Linux. Custom ISO has to be run exclusively on virtual machine. For baremetal installation, i just use NTLite because it's easier to update.
Removing Internet Explorer / Edge fully is impossible without breaking many apps. There are so many apps that depend on WinForms BrowserView (Internet Explorer) or WebView2 (Edge).
Well, if you're following Muta (SomeOrdinaryGamer) and virtualize tons of VMs to run games with built-in rootkits (DRM and Anti-Cheat) it wouldn't be THAT bad to have seriously stripped down Windows for that purpose.
This OS is good if you want to have just an installation that doesn't access the internet, just like a embedded install and forget "server". For a normal gaming and normal usage i would recommend ReviOS with Defender activated.
ah cmon with ur windows security update you know like me that computer security is a myth there are no security at all you talk like if all windows update are good for your machine i had to unistall many updates cause it was creating troubles on my pc... the real security is yourself you are the only one that can monitor you processor and network usages...
good coverage, I wonder if you'd make a video on topic of how much debloating (removal of features) actually helps (apart from seeing lower disk space usage or ram usage, which isn't even a "problem" nowadays with cheap RAM and SSDs) instead of just disabling services people don't need, and another topic - how much security mechanisms and concerns should be leveraged from OS to other components (external backups, firewall in home network, VPNs, behavioral firewall like NetLimiter running on user's PC etc...) because in theory an "almost-offline" machine is much less vulnerable already?
I don't want to be seen as advertising but there's a guy on RUclips that spent 2 weeks testing every single tweak, doing fresh installs etc. with LDAT tools and other benchmark tools. A relatively stock install is far better for both performance, compatibility and stability.
Website Article: christitus.com/atlasos-review/
Referenced LTT Video: ruclips.net/video/dc7CIkZcWYE/видео.html
Please note: I do NOT review Custom Windows ISOs. If it requires you to download an ISO from a shady file sharing site or torrent... IT SHOULD NEVER BE USED!
Am I sounds correct? If it's lite weight custom windows, can we strip down unwanted things further and make it as container for linux, since it's open source can't it good way to run windows binary in linux, for example consider vanilla os it's immutable os and have container for every possible linux, share your thoughts, I hope you will note this comment...
Hi Chris Titus Tech. I have very important questions.(For me is important your answers.)
1. When is new CTT Windows toolbox release?
2. Is it offline?
3. Is it will have Windows Update and Windows Defender delet or shut down permanently options?
4. It will support Windows 10 : a. iot enterprise ltsc 2021 ?
b. enterprise ltsc 2021 ?
c. pro 2004 and 2009 pro ?
Thank you very much for your time and response.Have a good day.
Yes
Tried to buy your Rasberry Pi OS today & thought you should know the discount code no longer works- after logging in & filling out my Credit card info when I put in the code (ALL CAPS as per your vid TITUS50) It tells me that it's an invalid discount. I detest bait & switch tactics so I won't be buying it unless you fix the issue before the aforementioned May 2nd deadline.
would AtlasOS work well as Parallels on MacOS?
Hey, main atlas dev here :). Thanks for all suggestions, and we are happy to be featured here.
Any chance at a W11 based version? Definitely a few features (HDR calibration and proper/great dx10/11 boarderless window's integration to name the big ones) would like to see.
And as mentioned in the video, definitely think UAC needs to be opt-in-able, same with smart screen and defender.
More transparency is always a good thing as well. I realize documentation is a pain, but it a great thing to have (even for yourself as a developer).
Any way we can send crash data to you see what's going on outa 3 tests rigs a 10900K seems to be super unstable almost windows 98 levels of bad.
@he3als they've been saying windows 11 coming soon for months now.. almost a year..
@@shadowarez1337 my boy what did u do lmao
@@skittles.abuser installed it used the tool restarted and it sharted on itself after reboot 🤦♂️
I understand your concerns with AtlasOS, but your concerns are actually the reason why Atlas is attractive to me. You said it perfectly when you said that it can be used as a temporary system just for certain tasks you might want to accomplish. I'm going to go ahead and pick it up and check it out for an offline device.
This is why i look at LTT as an entertainment channel, not a HOWTO channel.
I like seeing what they do, but i dont ever take any advice from them.
I only listen to Anthony from LTT. They need to allow him to do more Linux videos. But, since that channel is more for windows users, specifically gamers, that won't happen.
But LTT is more informal then Markass
@@burhanbudak6041 Watch Gamers Nexus if you want real details.
Exactly, I rarely take them seriously these days, as their Twitter account even tried the other day to spread the fudd to idiots that Linus Torvalds got bit by a Penguin has to how Tux became the mascot, and in the same post that Linus Torvalds created "Linux OS" 🤦♂️ I pointed the falsehoods out, and lord, and did I get an earful from the idiots who follow him.
I like their hardware challenge videos (e.g. "can you run this PC in a chamber with -40c temperature") but seeing their video about Atlas is like one of their biggest fault, as not all of their subscriber are aware of security issues
AtlasOS is for people who use Linux as daily driver but still need a windows virtual machine for some proprietary apps and gaming. This is the best use case for AtlasOS in my opinion. And I think Chris did a great job of explaining why people can't use AtlasOS as main operating system the main reason being some of Windows security features are disabled by the AtlasOS team. and i guess everyone knows how good is the relationship between windows and viruses. :)
@dreaper5813 Then why are you posting here? Everyone on earth knows that some folks don't need any version of Windows on their machines.
Very good opinion
@@jesse7631 this guy just wants attention replying to all comments saying he uses linux as if anyone cares
@dreaper5813 You haven't "proved a point". Do you really think stating a personal opinion is proving something?
You're actually right. As a fellow GNU/Linux user my virtual machines were running Windows 7 Pro but now I might finally switch to Atlas for modern feel and this might be it.
Thank you so much for making this video!
So glad to see you did a video on this. Just learned about it because of the LTT video and was wondering how safe it is. Writing this comment before I actually watch the video admittedly, I installed it on a spare laptop I have and the only complaint I have about it is it seems like they really stripped the OS down to the point where you can't even add stuff like group policy editor into windows home like you normally would. I'm sure your video will shed some more light on everything for me though.
@D Reaper Stop the hate train, noone really needs to do anything to get their Windows running on their system, these stripped down system are for .. whoever .. people that apparently think they need it like that to get the system working for them.
But then they have like a PC or Laptop from 2013, that was even 2013 already outdated by like 5 years.
People really having 4GB RAM Systems in 2023 is not Windows fault, people still not wanting to change that 32GB SSD to a 500GB SSD for like 20 Bucks isn't Windows fault either.
We all know the good ol' "The Main issue to any Problem, usually sits in front of the PC" is the classic case here.
But I'm happy for you, that you enjoy your Linux.
@@Electric_Doodie you are exactly the problem my guy. You're definitely the type to just throw away a perfectly good PC based on this reply. The entire purpose of atlas OS is to repurpose old and out of date hardware that would otherwise be e-waste. If this is truly how you feel it really sucks knowing that you're definitely not the only one who feels this way. But it also makes it really apparent why the planet is literally dying from waste.
@D Reaper and anyone that buys a PC / Laptop with like 4GB of RAM or a 750 GPU or whatever, nowadays, NEW, kind of deserves that the system doesn't work.
Don't get me wrong, I know that people use old, like really old hardware, but Windows 10 easily works, non modified on any 10 Year old System, even nowadays. What some of these people don't have is a SSD, their 10 Year+ old HDD is dieing, etc and yet they refuse to go the easiest route in theory and rather think a "Debloated" Windows will save it all, which it doesn't.
@@thisismelsemail1217 I don't tho, I gave away my perfectly functional system from like 2017 (with a 1070) to a friend when I didn't needed it anymore.
Yet there is no reason to use a Debloated Windows for it. And people who still are on a System even older, might have completely different issues if their system is completely slowing down then just old hardware (No SSD for some, bloated over the years and never did a fresh install, etc).
There's so many things that just makes these Debloated Versions obsolete in many cases, because the gains are so marginal / non existent at all.
@@Electric_Doodie well my laptop fro. 2011 disagrees with your statement. Running an old AF pentium CPU and 4 gigs of ram, it just simply can't run windows 10. I've been stuck running windows 7 on it despite the security risks. Now I can at least run windows 10 and have slightly less security risks and the creature comforts of win 10. It's all to each their own, I just strongly disagree
I'm a software developer and I use Atlas OS as a VM image for testing. So far, I have not come across any problems with things either working or not working that don't also behave the same way when deployed on our own desktop images within the org. Basically, I use it as a sanity check. Once it works on my VM, I give it to IT for deployment testing, with a fair amount of confidence that I'm not wasting their time. For me, the lack of security, small size, and tiny resource footprint are kind of the point. My hope is that the scripts will ultimately be flexible enough to include or exclude security features for those of us who either like to live dangerously or who sandbox it as a testing environment.
@Fancy Tophat Indeed. I also develop for Linux and try to stay in that OS as much as I can. I personally jumped ship a couple of years ago, but, for better or for worse, I was a Windows desktop dev for a long time, and my org has lots of those still in use.
yer a bullshitter AtlosOS marketer. If you are in the industry you CLAIM you are in, youve been using DISM, SCCM, InTUNE, NTLite and GPO for a DECADE(S). The only thing this project does that ISNT ALREADY standard practice- is ripping out defender and SPECTRE mitigations. Typical virtualization platforms are so CPU rich, that disabling SPECTRE mitigations in the VM image, or NOT -- is mostly inconsequential. Its generally considered a waste of time. I distrust this Project because of the validation they seek
I'm a CG artist and looking at installing it to see if it improves render times, but mainly latency. I can't stand how slow W10 even with all the registry optimizations and bloatware removed. As far as security, I don't care if Defender or whatever Pedosoft installed isn't there. I have better tools for that. I just want speed. If people stopped watching sites they shouldn't be at, their computers wouldn't be infected as often, it's common sense. There was an article a while back the author showed how unnecessary antivirus are nowadays with modern software. I mainly go to a few safe sites, and that's it.
If anybody is worried about security, they can install it on a separate drive or something.
I'm really happy with the choices the Atlas devs made, also the security ones. My usecase is I am a musician, I play vst's on my dedicated laptop in Cantabile, and I don't want any random virus scan starting when I am in a pianosolo. Also, it is always offline. My OS needs a fileexplorer, a startbutton, and that's it.
Also, it's a cool laptop and i have now multibooted it with Atlas and normal Win11 for everything else, which is nothing really.
It's insane to me that Atlas (and ReviOS) has gotten so much attention recently (mainly due to LTT). It's been around for years, being a custom ISO at first only recently using the playbook / post install method.
However, all these tweaks etc while the desktop might feel snappier (due to animations disabled), it doesn't actually have a performance or latency impact. If anything it's worse. People have tested these tweaks with LDAT tools and other various benchmarking tools and nobody has been able to prove them wrong.
it being snappier is not because of disabled animations lmao, it simply loads things faster and has a looot less going on at once
It gives around 3-7% fps improvement in heavy games. For other games competitive games barely any improvement.
@@skittles.abuser I've used Atlas and compared to my (mostly) stock install, it's the same.
@@griffin1366 Yeah...So if you want any performance difference just use the Ghost Spectre Compact
Might be kind of silly but MSPaint being removed would be a real bummer for me. I don't use it for anything major but I use it for a lot of quick tasks because it's easy to use to accomplish some simple tasks.
It should be noted that this is specifically for gaming....
just reinstall it
Krita is a pretty good paint program, and it's FOSS.
i run atlas but paint is there for me
This is my thoughts on this Chris and yes I watched the LTT video, I can see myself maybe using this in a duel boot situation possibly running this as a Gaming only OS and then duel booting a more secure OS for anything else. I definitely think Atlas has hit a homerun with this in terms of creating a better suited OS for gaming, but I'm in agreence with you on the holes this leaves in security. I wouldn't do my banking on it lets just put it that way and leave it there. I think I'd duel boot this and use some type of more secure Linux Distro for those sorts of tasks. Cheers
Hi! I've been using Atlas for a year, and I had 0 problems. I ran into no virus, nothing malfunctioned, and the installation was a piece of cake. I was able to run all games with no problems and a huge FPS boost, and I could even run some games in higher settings with the same FPS I had in normal windows using low settings. I don't recommend it to people who are bad with tech and follow instructions, though.
Bluetooth doesn't work
@@liamconverse8950 All my things are wired, so I have no problem with that.
@@robineftw That's something that should work with a Windows 10 install
@@liamconverse8950 Not an inconvenience for me. I don't use bluetooth, and if I do, it's only going to be me connecting airpods to my phone.
@@robineftw I like to hook my computer up to my TV and play games with the wireless controller sometimes. My point was about Atlas not about you personally.
Here is my take on it.
The update system of Windows 10 and 11 is extremely aggressive. It downloads updates without your permission and installs them without your permission. Even if you specifically tell Windows 10/11 to stop updating (*turn off automatic updates*), it will STILL update.
If you stop the service for automatic updates, another service will start that service again. If you disable ALL services that have anything to do with automatic updates AND you edit the registry to disable it, Windows 10/11 will still find a way to update.
I, for example, followed a very complicated RUclips tutorial on how to disable automatic updates on Windows 10/11 once and for all, which included turning it off, persistently disabling four services, going into the registry and changing many lines there... and I thought it worked... until Windows 10 started updating again...
The only way to stop automatic updates on Windows 10/11 without shutting off Internet, is to completely break Windows 10/11. Not disabling some things, but actually destroying it. Cripple it. Cutting off its arms and legs. Make it such that Windows 10/11 simply *cannot* update any more, because all body parts responsible for that are cut off, at the very base.
That is the only way to stop automatic updates. So, I hail AtlasOS for doing that! 😀
It's like a robot that keeps walking, despite you having pressed the button 100000 times to stop walking. Then you use the physical switch to remove the connection to its legs, but the robot - somehow - still manages to use those mechanical legs. Then you cut off the wires leading to those legs. The robot now stops walking, but after a while, it starts moving its legs again.
Then you physically remove the robot's mechanical legs, so that no matter what, the robot just *can't* walk any more, because the legs are missing.
That is the only way to disable automatic updates with Windows 10/11. Not trying to disable things, but remove them. Remove them completely. Completely cut off part of the system. Remove the robot's mechanical legs. Only then, the system stops updating.
I think you hate robots
@@araiso8672.
Not really. I love robots! 😀
I just gave an example of something physical (robots) to visualise what I was trying to say! 🙂
I have never had Windows 10 nor 11 download and install updates unless I manually click the Download button. I dont know what you are talking about.
@@kiwd-dynamic.
I don't know what YOU are talking about. Windows 10 and 11 don't give a "Download updates" button. They just download and install those updates. Your desire does not matter; Windows 10/11 decide for you.
The only way to stop this, is to either disconnect from the Internet, either demolish a large number of services and registry entries in Windows 10/11 to make Windows 10/11 incapable of updating.
I did the latter. It took some effort, but now Windows 10 has finally stopped updating. 🙂
Thanks for this video. I saw LTTs video yesterday and I went to your page looking for a review, lol.
I am no gamer so I wouldn't use this, I have been strictly Linux since last year June. But, I always appreciate your honest and unbiased input.
Thanks again.
Thanks for the PSA! As it's kind of touted as a gaming OS and most games have to be run online now, not having security features is just asking for trouble.
I was fully expecting this video to just be you dogging on Atlas for 16 minutes, but you brought up a lot of good points and were very constructive about it, nice video.
Chris is usually pretty fair on this stuff.
Hopefully they add a way to customize the optimization process. Thanks for giving it a spin and sharing your thoughts. I'll keep on eye on Altus since I like the idea but you're right to much is removed to be put on a daily driver.
Atlas manager here, there are indeed plans for that in the near future, we're focusing the suggestions we were given in this video to improve
@@radnotred since you guys apparently name your self tech enthusiasts, how come, that you guys by default made Atlas the way it is (aka actually bad, by removing even the most important features, like Trim/Defrag, etc)?
I really wish to know how you guys decided on what to disable and what to keep enabled.
@@radnotred Thank you chiming in. I'm really interested in your project and look forward to where it goes in the future.
@@Electric_Doodie Not affiliated with Atlas, but trim/defrag is useless on SSDs.
@@rFey I still wouldn't disable Trim for a SSD. And since Atlas is supposed to be for weak systems, which might not even have SSD, Defrag is still a valuable feature for these HDDs.
This is exactly what I have been wanting! I'm going to install this!
how it went?
its a dedicated task OS, so theres that, as far my experience, IT KICKS ASS !!!! ITS GOOOD if you only want to use 1 apliction, like music making, or video editing, or graphics design, WITHOUT all the BS in the background, soooo good !!!!! i like it a lot !!! I DO RECOMMEND FOR DEDICATED TASKS
I think installing ReviOS through the ISO is much better than using playbook by an infinite amount of times, because playbook isn't the most stable and it's better to install the drivers you want, not the ones that are automatically installed. ReviOS also has a playbook as well.
We are forgetting what are the operating systems for.
They're for:
1. Managing processes, memory, threads, mutexes / semaphores, etc.
2. Managing files and filesystems.
3. To support network (protocols stack, certificates, etc).
4. Managing devices.
Current Windows is a huge bloatware. My corporate laptop Windows directory is 43 GB! And it was freshly installed less than a year ago. With time it grows even larger!
I'm nostalgic about Windows NT 4.0, which needed a couple of hundreds of megabytes.
Yes, now there're cooler filesystems, different hardware, different network protocols. But it shouldn't consume so much disk space! And we do have examples - there're a lot of modern tiny Linux distrtos, consuming less than 1GB of disk space. And they're on a modern kernels, they're secure.
I do not need Windows Defender (It never catched any virus in my history), I hate meltdown mitigations. I never used restore points (I always disable them). They rarely helped me in case of problems with Windows and it's pretty easy to re-intall Windows and my set of tools.
I'm using Atlas in KVM, it saves a ton of disk space and it's much more responsible.
I would be curious to see performance difference between something extreme like this, and something more gentler like your decrapify script.
It's likely negligible unless you're using very low-end hardware. Many extreme steps or tweaks don't really affect performance like amount input latency or fps,
@@bradmiles1984 well input latency is where tweaks actually are worth it, not much about fps unless low end rig
@@skittles.abuser Some tweaks are but many tweaks have none when actual testing is done. My point is 90 percent of the tweaks out there don't really help performance. Much of it is more to get rid of annoying things Microsoft has put in or if you are running on very low end system.
@@bradmiles1984 okay show me your test with default windows and new atlas, for most it wont affect fps but i think latency it can help a decent bit. for me it loads a lot faster thats for sure and my fps is a lot more stable
@@skittles.abuser Your asking me for test data but not providing your own. Have you played the same game for extended periods recording the fps on stock and atlas? Channels like Freethy have used actual testing software to test various tweaks and see effects on fps and input latency. There are very few things that actually give an appreciable effect on fps and latency.
1) Enable XMP/DCCP in bios
2) Tune the timings on your ram
3) undervolt/overclock your cpu
4) Make sure your GPU is in MSI mode
5) Set the min gpu frequency with 100mz of the max in your overclock to keep it running at a consistent mhz which helps with hitching/jittering
6) Make sure you have adequate thermals and not being thermal throttled.
This isn't to say Atlas won't help older hardware which is barely passing the minimum hardware needed for games. In those cases lightening the load of the OS will have an impact on fps because the game has more resources to use which was shown in Linus video but they were using old hardware not a modern gaming rig.
I'm copying a comment i left on another atlas video but i really liked your take on it you expanded on some things i was curious about.
In my experience so far the performance gains are almost too hard to ignore. It's made a little gateway folding netbook/tablet with a Celeron an 4gb of ram and 60gb of storage a completely usable computer again. it is actually faster to start and run basic stuff than my gaming laptop.
I rarely used the computer prior to atlas because it was very slow and then ran out of storage during a windows update. Now the pc is very responsive and performing far beyond what i ever expected from the hardware. Between the responsiveness of the system and the battery life and convenience of folding it to tablet mode I've found it to be my go to pc for anything simple and quick.
That all being said i may look into the uac stuff and maybe antivirus but im not logged into anything on it so whatever if it dies i'll wipe it again
Just for fun, I decided to install it on an old 4 core/4 thread CPU / DDR2 'puter and with just it and an SSD instead of a spinner, it is VERY snappy! It feels just as fast or faster than my I9 9900K rig, on which I have as stripped down as possible version of Winders' 11. I have more playing with it to go to finish checking it out, but so far, other than the security concerns, it's great.
So for a completely isolated machine, out of the network, say, not to do any kind of social stuff, browsing the internet etc, this would be great, to use exclusively as a CADD workstation for renderings and dedicated solely to work. sounds too good to be true. Thanks for sharing Chris. (BTW, I find somewhat confusing downloading the OS from their site at least to try it in a VM)
They don't post ISOs, which is good. Just grab an official W10/11 ISO and throw it on your VM, then download the tool to apply all the tweaks.
It's really nothing special, just some general services disabled, an "Atlas" folder in you windows directory with extra tweak options, and some security components removed (if you select to remove them, btw don't do that lol). It's more of an optimization tool than a customized windows install in my opinion, but it works well if all you want is a quick way to barebones your install.
And right after i asked brodie Robertson on whether he'd go for atlas or your script, you made a video. Glad to know your opinion on this, i did cringe when i saw the list of removed stuff on the ltt video
Thank you Chris! Your videos are truly helpful.
Im using AtlasOS + deepfreeze in my internet coffe stations, works like charm.
Thanks. After I've seen that LTT video, I wanted to know your opinion. I'm glad that I didn't wait long.
After your video on Tiny11 I was waiting for this one. Glad to hear there are good parts about it. If I was to install it, it would be for an older gaming only PC or my old Surface Pro 2, but I won't bother until they stop removing the security focused applications like Defender. As always Chris, love your content. I've been in the computer industry for around 25 years, but you're never too professional to keep learning new things and I always learn something new from you.
I was waiting for this video after the LTT one. :) thank you Chris!
Dont support LTT. That is one toxic bunch of dicks. Look into it before you think LTT is a normal company.
I run this on my gaming PC although I literally only use it for gaming. So I've installed geforce experience, logitech ghub, steam, and a handful of other game launchers. And that's all I plan to ever install. For me, it's a great experience.
Hey man this is pure GOLD imagine how many vm's running bots u can do with all this crap stiped out like windows updates uac defender this is pure gold, ty for showcasing it.
Something I'm thinking aswell, gotta put the ryzen 9 to use. What kind of bots are you into?
I enjoy your Videos Chris, Atlas sounds exactly like what I want lol. Been doing this for 40 years so I'm no noob here. And frankly, I don't want any of Window's so-called security. I've been running 7 bare metal for a number of years now and I see no reason to re-add any now. But I get where you're coming from for those who don't have a clue what they are doing it's risky. I stopped all Windows updates and neutered Defender when they started putting Windows 10 updates in critical updates. That really pissed me off! But now I'm at the point where most major browsers have stopped updating and I guess I'm forced to move on kicking and screaming :) This should be an interesting experiment.
Chris, you said you get red flags from downloading an ISO, but you're all cool with tools that inject code into the ISO you're about to install. I mean I do understand what you're saying on the red flag for some modded OS ISO. Make your statement(s) make sense in their comparative please. I know I think too much, that's why I started learning COBOL in 1976 on a Burroughs. I enjoy your channel, thank you. Had to throw you and old school smile of course.
When it comes to custom Windows isos I would just use one of the ones from Windows X lite because they have option in the installer to have Windows defender or not and I bet all the security features are there and even Windows updates work you just have to resume them. The only negative thing about the isos from Windows x lite is page file/virtual memory is disabled but enabling it is easy to do by clicking on their custom enabler to enable virtual memory.
I'm glad this exists. Not everyone wants security features forced down their throats. If you want to make security nerds happy you'd end up with stock Windows anyways...
Exactly.
Security features basically become bloat at some point, especially on older/weaker hardware.
Of course Chris probably sees no performance loss from "VBS" for example, but he's probably using a pretty recent and high end machine.... not some lower end 10 year old machine that may have issues.
Thanks for the video Chris. I was interested to know about the security of this.
I'm actually using Atlas Os and my old secondary computer just for simple and not very powerfull game or coding exercice (as I'm a student in IT) So I'm very happy with Atlas and yup don't use it as your primary and personnal and privacy computer ! Just be aware of that ! Great video !
11:28 I 100% disagree. Taking what they've done and completely deleting it is exactly what Atlas should do. It's up to the user to implement their own security features and software, and enable/disable them when needed. Atlas is the blank paper and you've got the pen. That's the whole point.
Whether it's being mismarketed is an entirely different thing.
I always I'm searching in the net for that "slim", "tiny", "ultra", "lite", Windoze stripped, cannibalized, unsecure and light Windows 1x... and I have to say, AtlasOS break the magic barrier not only achieving a less of 50 process Windows, also, is functional, no gimmicks, no tricks, and it takes to a new standard, a very thin and powerful Windows, that can be used in the real world... well, in our daily life, and it feels always snappier, fast and beautiful to use. I'm amazed.
Exited to hear about this on the wan show! Hopefully...
Still running Windows 7 in 2023. Virus free. Issue free. For the last 10 years.
The first thing I do is disable Windows Defender, Superfetch, Windows Aero, Windows Search Indexer, WIndows Update.
So how could I and can I run virus free for that long, with zero worries. Simple. I don't download and try random crrp from anywhere and everywhere. I did all that back in the 90's. Now I know exactly what I need and use, and who the publisher it is it comes from. If you never download install software from a sketchy third party site, from pirate bay (cracked and loaded with viruses), etc... if you never install anything with a virus... you never get a virus. It's... just... that... simple. You don't need to nor do you want to run Antivirus software on your PC all the time. That's like running snow tires on your car year around in the Southern United States.
And if I were, for whatever reason to get a virus, this is what I do. You can't "clean" a PC any more Viruses are now payloaded to install a plethora of multiple attacks. There is no cleaning. There is only reformatting. Get your files off the drive, then reformat and reinstall a fresh copy of windows. I haven't had to do that though in 10 years.
Back in the 1990's when I was trying to get my hands on expensive cracked software off of Piratebay or Limewire... OMG... yeah. Don't. There is no honor amoung crackers like in the 90's. Hard for me to say, but sad but true... you're better off paying for a lite version of the software you want just to be virus free.
A lot of the things you are fraking out in this video... don't matter.
Microsoft telemetry harvesting though.. yeah that does matter.
If I can't get Windows 7 with USB drivers rolled into it to run on my new Ryzen 7950x, I'm going to at least be evaluating Atlas (uggh, ha8t3 10/11) as a last ditch effort before installing Arch and trying to botch my way around running windows apps under linux, which has never ever worked for me. Mainly, I need Sony Vegas.
Very informative. I'll keep it off my main system, but it could be super neat for fiddling with old systems.
How cool, it just so happens I had been thinking of making my own 10 clean. Which I will still do, I slipstreamed XP with the service packs years ago because the updates were so long, I will look at Atlas mistakes and have my own 10 gamer, I run Linux Mint, I have since 2011, but I have an SSD with 10 on it, for a few of my games, and some updates for hardware. Thanks Chris, the timing for me on this was perfect ~Ramburner
I will still have security on the 10, that's one of the reasons I use Linux primarily.
Hi Titus, great video! Would you mind looking at new MSMG Toolkit 13.3 for creating custom Windows 10 ISO? I have watched your previous videos but with newer version seems lot of options have been added.
Hey I just saw Linus's new video and see that you're going to ltx! That's awesome!
Thanks for this video. I was looking at Win 10 Enterprise LTSC before AtlasOS crossed my path.
I'm also now aware of debloat options but know next to nothing about them, so I'll be doing research on what's out there.
Sadly I'll need to upgrade my OS next year so crunch time is getting close.
Tiny 11 actually works amazingly well. Been using it for 3 months on a laptop from 2012 and its worked flawlessly.
Great video. I think you're right, this isn't for the average user. I don't like AUC, but it is better than nothing. I do run Windows without Edge and any virus controls, but my go to is to reinstall. I also only use it for non-secure things like games. No email, shopping, banking or anything else that is personal goes on anything Microsoft.
Thanks for a great video. I might try this on bare metal with only one drive to see how it compares to a bolted Windows install, which is inspired by you video.
This might be worth a try for an offline Audio Workstation PC to help decrease DPC latency. Latency spikes suck!
Good thing we don't agree, otherwise we would both be wrong. atlas os stay like you are !
In my opinion, AtlasOS is just fine for everyday use if you are aware of the security issues, and have the ability to navigate them (like me for example). Also, if you are a normal user, I do not recommend using it. Atlas devs need to improve a lot more to make AtlasOS suitable for everyone.
May 24, 2023 3:15AM
Duuudee, are you reading my mind?, I was just looking for a review for this OS, and I know your style.
Thank you for your in depth review!
This might be what I need for a specific use case... Input USB 3.0 PTZ camera and run NDI tools to convert the video to NDI. I have a little J4105 computer doing this now with your scripts, but I'm up at 95% CPU and bumping up near 99% too often for comfort. At 99% or 100% the stream glitches which I want to avoid. Your tools got me closer from the default Win10 it shipped with, there might be a few other things I can safely strip out. If they make a security feature version that might give me back that 5% I need to be more stable.
I thought this was a very good review. I too had been lured in by the recent AtlasOS hype but became wary about installing after reading some of what was removed, or more specifically by what I didn't see in the summary. I didn't have time to deep dive so what you have done is a great summary and very useful.
It seems prudent to me, that many such stripped back installs are likely to be attractive to people getting into coding or IoT on a budget. From a naive perspective they will see a performant OS that flies on their low cost or old hardware, but they will be laid bare to the internet in the process. It's not good, so if a group wants to offer his type of OS well and good, but make the warnings overt so that newbies don't find out the harm way!
This should prob be updated, this is a very old version. I've played around with a lot of operating systems and tweaks , this OS was so easy to install and gave me a solid improvement on global performance. I'm a bit of a gamer and it gave me very solid increases in FPS. It gives you security options when installing. Their website has also been updated. I've never left a review before for a OS but I did it on trustpilot just for this OS.
so glad i found this legit channel
Pretty sure WinAero Tweaker can do most if not all of this, but does it piecemeal and explains everything rather nicely.
thank you When I saw you had a review I stoped the one I was watching
I am a fan of having more resources for my VMs to do what I intend them for.
It's not "brand new" at all, Atlas has been around for a while. Custom ISOs have always been the norm, the reason that norm has broken now, is because the AME team finally released their Ameliorator Wizard, which currently recognizes both Atlas and ReviOS Playbooks as "verified", in addition to AME's own AME 10 and the most recently released AME 11.
if atlas is going through having a custom program to make the ISO, I could say it wouldn't be too much less effort to add a checklist that keeps or deletes part of the script so you aren't left with an insecure system at the end of the day.
Love the vids Chris! still don't understand why I need Trim feature on SSDs. Any help there? cheers
Using the TRIM command reduces the amount of data an SSD needs to move during the garbage collection process and reduces the amount of erase cycles, enabling the drive to last longer. By avoiding unnecessary copying of invalid data, the write performance of the drive speeds up.
@@ChrisTitusTech Thank you friend! see you at LTX2023!
The more I look into this thing, the more it makes me think of what Windows would look like if everything was stripped out of it to turn the clock back to the "good old days" where Windows didn't have tons and tons of bloat running that the end user never knows about. The problem with that, is the "good old days" were a time before an always on connected world. It was normal to be offline most of the day while on the computer and when were you were online, the connection was far slower than it was today. Even today's average connection speeds that are on the slow side are lightning fast compared to what the "good old days" had in many cases. Back then online attacks against the PC were an issue, and I'm sure we all have many stories of how things went wrong back then, but it still wasn't as bad as the malware landscape we have today.
Unfortunately, the "good old days" are gone and no matter how much people want them back with Windows, Microsoft is going out of their way to ensure they don't come back. If you need to rely on a project like AtlasOS to have a usable computer to your specifications...it's time to ditch Windows IMO. I DO think projects like these are fun for messing around with the system and seeing what extremes you can push it to and people have been doing stuff like this to Windows decades and that's fine. But today's cyber landscape with all the cyber security issues from being in an always on connected world changes where these fun projects fit in. I think they'd fine for an offline toy, but unless you are 100% confident you can secure it on a network with Internet access and stay on top of all the ways someone can find their way onto the system, it's not for the majority of people out there.
Yeah I was remembering when the "fastest" internet speed in 2007 was about 512Kbit/s to 1Mbit/s (64-128KBytes/s).
Can't even play RUclips videos at 240p without constant buffering back in the day
I am happy with the PowerShell script that you made...
i used atlas so far so good it updates everything
Loving the content Chris
Chris, why are you now saying we should have windows security features, when a couple months ago you explained how useless those security features are, and even showed how to make a custom windows ISO that doesn't have any security stuff in it?
So what you're telling me is it's absolutely perfect for a retro gaming system which never goes online 👍
Nice vid Chris. here is an idea ...how about create a video about PC Recovery tools? I was thinking about using Hirens but then came across MediCat? which would be the best option to go with?
I use AtlasOS in a VM under VanillaOS (Linux). I don't give that VM internet connection access. It just runs Adobe apps that I need for work daily, any internet related things and gaming I do in the host (VanillaOS). So far running great for months now.
i installed this on my old laptop and had no gain over a normal windows version.
This is the second video I've seen about the problems with AtlasOS. I wonder if Linus is going to do an update video about this.
Probably not. Linus loves these things. He used to main a custom ISO called "Windows 9" which was 8.1 with a 7 skin... Lol.
he literally runs custom ISO he downloaded lol
I use comodo antivirus, brave thanks to you Chris, your scripts are fantastic. Thank you for all your resources.
I immediately thought of you and your debloat script when i watched that LTT video. The longer linus went on the more i thought exactly what you said in this video. I don't think Linus cautioned people enough of how dangerous AtlasOS can be.
Chris why did you not say that they removed defender but that you can install any antivirus yourself if you want to have one, most people who need to have an antivirus install third party ones themsleves...
feels a bit disingenuous to highlight so much on security when it can be handled by third party software, the point of this was to remove windows bloatware and make it a snappy windows experience and they did achieve that by removing most of windows background stuff which includes the windows security.
Who will actually do that? Someone who is going through the process of installing Atlas probably won't say "this is probably insecure"
I will have to say, the smaller the codebase, the smaller attack vector that a program will have, not always true, but when you're talking about the scale of windows, it's very much true.
I've heard rumors that microsoft is trying to reduce the codebase for windows 12 and I hope they do.
If they are smart they will do everything they can to optimize it for gaming, because they are dangerously close to losing that control due to the success of the Steamdeck, and since Apple has control of the creative PC market, and Linux has control of the server market, Windows will become obsolete fairly quickly if they lose control of the gaming market.
@@WARnTEA You forget Microsoft office products plus a lot of proprietary apps that work only on windows, so no Microsoft doesn't have to worry about anything. Their main customers are enterprise users, then consumer.
@@WARnTEA that is the plan, they're planning on making a version of windows or a suite of programs designed for steam deck-like machines
@@dipanjanpalchowdhury6012 No I didn't forget about that. Linux already has a huge foothold on the server market, and if consumers get used to daily driving linux, then its really not a large leap for enterprises to transition to linux permanently as it is cheaper. The main reason Windows is preferred so much in these markets is because the people making the decision to use windows grew up with Windows. Obviously Windows won't just disappear over night, but it will hit a tipping point eventually where it is un-savable. This transition will be made even easier by the increased use of smart phones and tablets in the enterprise space. Computers aren't used nearly as much anymore by the new generations, now that they've grown up with smartphones and tablets. Consumer interest in switching from windows to linux can not be underestimated. It might seem like its just the gaming market, but a lot of those gamers will become programmers and they will likely end up developing for linux, and more linux development only speeds up their ability to make linux more user friendly and robust, as well as building better programs that can replace proprietary windows programs. The better linux gets the easier it is for companies to justify migrating.
@@ogstringer that was back when microsoft's stocks were in a general downfall. now that they pivoted to cloud services they've gone up and are ready to put some money into improving windows.
apparently windows 12 is gonna be another windows 10x, meant for low power devices and tablets.
I hear it's not gonna look much different than windows 11, but only time will tell. maybe in a year or two it will look completely different
Hey Chris, why does removing spectre and meltdown mitigation LOWER performance on more modern CPUs?
Search:
With AMD Zen 4, It's Surprisingly Not Worthwhile Disabling CPU Security Mitigations
Thanks! From Average Joe Tired of my wife complaining about Windows Slow-down and your warning on Atlas! Instead I'm installing other tools you recommended
Hi Chris Titus Tech. I have very important questions.(For me is important your answers.)
1. When is new CTT Windows toolbox release?
2. Is it offline?
3. Is it will have Windows Update and Windows Defender delet or shut down permanently options?
4. It will support Windows 10 : a. iot enterprise ltsc 2021 ?
b. enterprise ltsc 2021 ?
c. pro 2004 and 2009 ?
Thank you very much for your time and response.Have a good day.
Chris, if you have an Atlas box and only used something like Steam for games and nothing much else, are there any security concerns? You’re not checking mail or surfing - where is the risk?
I see this being great to repurpose an old pc to use for offline gaming. Keep it disconnected from the network and the internet. Use a separate machine to download any software and games you want to install on it.
IoT LTSC already exist
@@samyt681 Windows IoT Enterprise is exactly the same as Windows Enterprise just with an LTSC license. That's completely different than using Atlas OS.
@@samyt681 plus you can’t buy IoT LTSC. You have to have a volume license agreement for an appliance.
Some feature's like UAC and Bluetooth you can enable the strip down includes Atlas folder for enable/disable feature's
Hopefully can run my 2013 year laptop with this in the future with quiet fans. But definitely need Windows updates and ability to do serious hardening.
Thank you for your honest opinion
NO TELEMETRY, the best security update ever.
I discovered atlasOs about a year ago, I usually use it when I need a quick clean vm to test random stuff, afterwards that vm gets deleted.
Until I discovered in this channel that ltsc existed, then i just snapshot it back and that's it
Some friends of mine were jumping through various "gaming ISO's" around 2-3 years ago. Atlas was still relatively new then but it was generally the favourite of all the guys. They tried Revi, ggOS, FoxOS, Tiny10, Fr33thy, Ghost Spectre, Tech Yes City, etc.
Actually insane to me that somebody would install a custom ISO from random people.
Meanwhile I just ran a barely tweaked old faithful LTSC.
@@griffin1366 The best Windows custom ISO is the one you mount yourself with tools like NTLite. Never trust "Gaming ISO" and other Custom ISO made by random glowie guys on the internet, whatever it is Windows or Linux. Custom ISO has to be run exclusively on virtual machine. For baremetal installation, i just use NTLite because it's easier to update.
Chris what you think of ReviOS, it seems pretty legit, and it keeps Updates and Defender through a toggle tool, give it a check
Removing Internet Explorer / Edge fully is impossible without breaking many apps.
There are so many apps that depend on WinForms BrowserView (Internet Explorer) or WebView2 (Edge).
Well, if you're following Muta (SomeOrdinaryGamer) and virtualize tons of VMs to run games with built-in rootkits (DRM and Anti-Cheat) it wouldn't be THAT bad to have seriously stripped down Windows for that purpose.
glad to see you put something out on it, the ltt video was more or less a puff piece and felt really irresponsible for them to release it in that form
This OS is good if you want to have just an installation that doesn't access the internet, just like a embedded install and forget "server".
For a normal gaming and normal usage i would recommend ReviOS with Defender activated.
ah cmon with ur windows security update you know like me that computer security is a myth there are no security at all you talk like if all windows update are good for your machine i had to unistall many updates cause it was creating troubles on my pc... the real security is yourself you are the only one that can monitor you processor and network usages...
DISM Slipstreaming?!? Oh baby I'm there! 🤣
You're so fast, i wanted to ask you about it!!
I was surprised when I saw Linus suggesting people to use it. Linus understands a lot about hardware but obviously he's not that good with software.
good coverage,
I wonder if you'd make a video on topic of how much debloating (removal of features) actually helps (apart from seeing lower disk space usage or ram usage, which isn't even a "problem" nowadays with cheap RAM and SSDs) instead of just disabling services people don't need,
and another topic - how much security mechanisms and concerns should be leveraged from OS to other components (external backups, firewall in home network, VPNs, behavioral firewall like NetLimiter running on user's PC etc...) because in theory an "almost-offline" machine is much less vulnerable already?
I don't want to be seen as advertising but there's a guy on RUclips that spent 2 weeks testing every single tweak, doing fresh installs etc. with LDAT tools and other benchmark tools. A relatively stock install is far better for both performance, compatibility and stability.
@@griffin1366 what's the name of the channel?