There's also an attachment with the STG that boosts headshot damage (one of the barrels - it does nerf hits to the body though). I've been running that with vital and incendiary rounds, and it's frankly disgusting.
So, increased crit damage, increased crit area to counter the decrease, and a slight burn effect. Are you sure you're not running a Destiny weapon sir?
@Guy Who Killed U I'd be down for an Insurgency Sandstorm style system with a set point limit (ala pick 10), but not everything is weighted equally. A more powerful perk or weapon would cost more to equip for example.
It baffles me to think that this was considered ok, same with the frangible rounds etc. I'm not a game designer, I'm just a player. I'm sure they see these things very differently to me. All I understand is that CoD devs tend to want to avoid crutch classes, yet they design things like these...
@@ZunDr0nL1kX CoD always had elements of "crutch" even in their "golden era" titles. I think they will purposely include these crutch elements in games now to better include struggling players. With that being said, I think this is jsut an oversight tbh.
I disagree, COD was always about having crutch classes for new players and for good players to abuse to make COD players look like badasses. I mean you have radar this year and why would you use anything else in that class tier
If you consider BO2 in the Golden Era, than you are incorrect because when Toughness perk was in BO2, everyone ran it because the flinch was very noticeable and toughness almost eliminated flinch
This sounds more like the High Caliber attachments from BO4 where it would essentially do the same thing to upper torso and more if high caliber II was an option.
@@alangonzalez9017 HIGH Cal was only for certain weapons. And most guns have a Dedicated class. Rampart. With HC2 is a three shot from any range. The Auger DMR. Also a 2 to 3 shot kill from any range. Why wouldn't you use them (since they have low recoil)
@@oscarfunez3806 not to mention the skill. It's probably just me but if you know how to move you can beat someone that had the auger and the rampart required great recoil control
@@michaelaguilera6946 Well it is an assault rifle and marksman rifle. But you had a better chance of defending yourself with the Rampart. If your good at hipfire. But smgs were dominant in most most. (Except I ran the ballistic knife. It was the most fun I had doing so. )
People don't care. There's players who will run the same gun for an entire year if the devs don't make an effort to balance it. Sledgehammer doesn't have a good track record of weapon balancing, but they're debatable the most responsive to community feedback. Anything could happen honestly.
@@perunahanhi6789 first thing i had flashbacks to lmaooo. atleast in that game we had movement that could let you completely outclass someone using those guns
@@kionera96 I mean they were definitely still controllable just took a little bit of actual effort to control them to balance the higher DPS output. And for the record the game is downloaded for when I'm off work tn so I hope to see you there!
ACE PLEASE READ THIS! This game uses a strange algorithmic stacking method for damage which in un-determinable as the percentages change depending on what's equipped. For example the STG44 has a base damage of 29. With the 3rd barrel (-24.1% damage) and the 2nd Magazine (+41.4% damage) equipped the game shows 28 Damage. No matter how you multiply or stack these percentages you can't arrive at 28 damage, it should be 34. Any insights on this?
They already nerfed it by making so vital doesn’t stack with not only higher caliber rounds, but it doesn’t stack with anything that increases damage, but it does cancel out anything that lowers damage (within the vital area)
yo ace, a little feedback on the production of the video, when you do the facecams you should probably take the big ass headset off, it'd look more clean and professional without that on. otherwise looking forward to you killin that vanguard grind on YT, hope the views are good
@@TheXclusiveAce I want to be a other voice you may or may not listen to you telling you that I actually am cool seeing you with a headset on especially since that's how you'd be streaming the game anyways.
I think a potential fix to this would be to make it where vital only applies at close range and maybe adds recoil too. Or make it lower your mag capacity
The paranoia perk is quite annoying as well. Anytime your screen turns yellow from being seen, you'll get the announcer saying that you're being watched, as if the gold tint on the screen wasn't distracting enough.
Now it makes sense why some people had guns that would MELT me in the lobby. I was certain some people were getting 3 shot kills on me at full health in the kill cam and this confirms it.
I did wonder why sometimes I was clearly shooting first on target and getting melted. Hopefully, since SHG have listened and acted on previous player feedback, they'll fix it.
For now I don’t mind Vital on the ITRA but have to see how’s it gonna be and for the other guns it’s just too powerful to miss out on. I would like them to change the boost only to the Neck region instead of the Upper Torso.
But then some guns can have Gung Ho (to eliminate sprint to fire time) which reduces the time to kill by a similar amount, so perhaps it’s balanced if your play style matches your setup
On the SVT-40, there's a damage increasing barrel, a larger caliber, and the vital perk. When all three are combined, you can get a 1 shot kill from the waist up at most ranges with minimal recoil and a much higher fire rate than the snipers. It is ridiculously easy to use, I noticed it when in custom games... alongside akimbo double barrel shotguns, but that's an entirely different discussion
What should be noted imo is that the headshot multiplier when using the headshot barrels DOES NOT carry over. Vital will still give you a 3-hit kill to the upper chest with a StG using a precision barrel and .30 Russian Short, but it won’t be a full on 2-hit kill to the upper chest. How I think it works is that it straight up uses the headshot damage when it’s using any other barrel. However, when using headshot barrels, Vital “only” gives you the base headshot multiplier to the torso. Doesn’t mean it’s not insane tho.
If they leave it on just the Itra and remove it from the full auto guns I think it'd be fine, convert the vital on stg and type into a barrel that does the same thing but with a downside like slower firerate or lower range
My go to is the Akimbo Shotgun pistols, already have gold and first prestige just started this morning. They are the equivalent of pre nerf shotty pistols in MW lmao, been getting hatemail all day
Wouldn’t this stack even higher with someone of the dmg enhancing mags also? Like the stg has a mag that boost the dmg to like 46 so a 3shot kill base along with vital? Making the ttk that much faster?
@@benb.1789 sadly and there a ammo attachment that increases your upper torso multiplier I think, so combine the 3 and you have a gun that’s just maybe 2-3 shot kills always
@@dillonc7955 super dumb how the more we go back in time setting, the more attachments and perks the guns get lol if anything it should be the complete opposite
Love your content Ace but I believe your mistaken. All guns it seems have an attachment that will take the amount of bullets to kill up or down, the STGs just happens to be Vital. The Volks has .30 Russian short drum mag and we can boost to over 700 RPM with a 3 shot kill that has high accuracy and instant ADS and it seems like all guns can become a murder machine with the right set up and a lot of them outshine the Vital attachment
I think with all the other ways to mess around with the ttk of guns with attachments that increase fire rates and magazines that change the caliber of guns, I don’t think this perk will be too crutch
It´s already a big issue in the lobbies I play in, with like 80-90% of people using only STG with vital, and some with the +dmg attachments as well making it even more broken. Trying to use any other weapon in those lobbies is a waste of time.
As a counterpoint, I don't think this actually does *nearly* as much as you're suggesting. The TTK numbers you've cited appear to be hypothetical/illustrative, and only really apply to the StG when you're using the default 8mm Kurz ammo. You can already make the StG a 3 shot kill weapon with Russian Short at the cost of some modest recoil and going from 600->550 RPM (gaining velocity, pen, etc), as it changes the base damage from 29 to 41. Russian Short makes the StG one of the faster killing AR's in the game, but the theoretical TTK is still only on a par with the best options for the Automaton and BAR, and it remains behind the Volk and AS44 (which both also have secondary options comparable to the best StG/Automaton/BAR ammunition). Now if this made Russian Short a potential 2 shot kill we'd have a problem, but it doesn't - Russian Short retains the same vital damage (43) and consequently gains no real benefit from head/vital shots. So ultimately all this really does is let you run 8mm Kurz competitively with Russian Short - you get lower recoil and a 50 RPM boost, but also need modestly higher accuracy and give up range/speed/pen/limb damage to do so. That's "good attachment" territory, not "ban this sick filth."
However, that said I should caveat that it might actually be outright busted with the Krausnick 620MM precision barrel, which sets vital damage to 78 and allows 2 shot kills (probably best combined with Russian Short since that still keeps your non-vital damage in normal 4-hit-kill territory and gives you more leeway with the 2 shot kill distance).
Imagine vital if it’s the same or useable in WZ. It would be like the same time to kill someone fully plated (or maybe 2 plates) using a vital stg vs someone without plates being killed with a non vital STA
Anyone with any automatic weapon: *exists* Anyone with a marksman rifle: Guess I'll die. Seriously, what's the point of marksman rifles if ARs and SMGs can delete people at any range?
I think it's alright for the burst gun cause your still going to be firing that 4th shot and there's still a burst delay in between, but for the others it's definitely a bit to unbalanced. Hopefully the devs take a look at it and make a change.
If it was available for all guns I wouldn’t mind but it’s available for only a few and 2 of them are already meta so yeah they should either adjust it or put it for everything
ISSUE!! With the reticles to, I unlocked the 1500 kill zombie reflex reticle, the dot was missing from it and it was a different colour, was just a huge circle lol
Even if you made it take 2-3 shots to the upper torso to make it less effective most people still aim there so most of their shots are there. It will still be the best thing to run on your gun entirely for this fact alone.
I think the ITRA is fine to have it because even with it being a little more forgiving since it is a burst it still requires skill. The others mentioned in video on the other hand probably shouldn't have it since they are a little less skill needed thus too powerful.
Yooooo they know what they are doing... the RAT-A-TAT variant for the STG has Vital as the Prof... and that was unlocked for me when I started idk if its because of the pre order bonus. But, it's smart to do that, so people automatically use the variant and MELT PEOPLE. not even realizing it. Then now it can be called out, they can act like they were unaware of what it will do. Then nerf it. I Am vehemently opposed to having variants at the launch of the game. It let's most everyone (who pre ordered or will spend money) to bypass grinding gun levels. And, drops a VAST difference in between those who have a variant and those who don't. And, it discourages the use of different weapons... why would you switch when you have a gun with shit unlocked... now that's the only gun you have used and unlock everything during the process of using the variant. So now the reason to switch is even more slim... Also it let's noobs come in and melt people(thats why o suspect they have them)these are the attachments for the RAT-A-TAT MUZZLE: Chord Muzzle Brake +3.6% horizontal recoil BARREL: VDD 760mm 05B +12.5% damage range +15.6% vertical recoil control +53.4% horizontal recoil control +52% idle sway control ‐8% ADS walking speed -9.7% sprint to fire time (SFT) ‐18.3% hip fire accuracy OPTIC: ZF4 3.5X Rifle Scope +4.8% vertical recoil control +4.8% horizontal recoil control +80% idle sway control -4.3% ADS time STOCK: VDD 27 Precision +3.5% ADS time +10.5% horizontal recoil control -4.1% movement speed -4% hip fire accuracy UNDERBARREL: M1930 Strife Angled +7.1 horizontal recoil control -4.6 STF +1 aiming stability +1 aim walking steadiness MAGAZINE: .30 Russian Short 30 Round Mags +41.4% damage +17.4% effective range +20% bullet velocity +40% vehicle damage +166.7% penetration -8.3% fire rate -2.1% movement speed -6.5% ADS time -30% vertical recoil control -25% horizontal recoil control -3.2% hip fire accuracy REAR GRIP: Stippled Grip +8.7% vertical recoil control +12.9% horizontal recoil control +20% centering speed PROFICIENCY: Vital +1 increased area for critical hits Now take the mag attachment off... almost all positives. Even with the mags on, should this be something tons of people start out with? They have a decked MP-40 called SHREDDER as well. This is why I was getting upset being LITERALLY sniped by STGs across the map when I'm trying to snipe with the Arisaka! It's ridiculous. It ruins the beginning of the games life cycle. Playing my first early access match felt like the game had been out for months already...
I don’t think I’ll play this long enough to unlock it. The full release is slightly better than the beta. I still cant see anything and all I get for directional audio is my own teams feet clunking around.
I’m not upset ofnyou sharing info. As you said, people will find out anyway + exposure tells the devs change is obviously needed to something if it is to high extent. I’m more upset that the starting gameplay was w the MP40. Nah but seriously, I know people would use the STG for a bit because it was usable to rank up early in Wz, but to see it and the MP40 to this extent is annoying and disgusting. This is the time to rank up all the weapons before Wz comes out, not just use the same constant 2.. literally the killfeed is either one of those two weapons my past several matches. Me and some other people try using other guns but because we got to level them up, they won’t be as good & sbmm on top doesn’t help. I went against Biffle in a Dome match meanwhile my stats aren’t even that high. That should highlight something about COD.
Maybe instead of extending the headshot area, it could extend the upper torso area to the lower torso, and shoulders. Also, does it only increase just the headshot area, or does every area get bumped up one.
It's strong but I guess you have to accurate... but yeah I agree with Ace, reduce the multiplier by a bit if you use this. Otherwise it has no downside and increases your damage a lot. It's like high caliber used to be, a crutch because it's too good
They should have just done something similar to high-caliber rounds in bo3 or 4. You benefit from having good accuracy and hitting those shots to the head. And you're really earning them now with how much faster this game plays. These time to kills are even faster than MW 😅. Alot of people thought MW had fast TTK and these guns do it twice as fast 🙃
Well since we have sbmm turned up to 100 then I hope they keep these guns like they are. Might as well. At least then it’s a more even playing field for people who aren’t the best aimers but are good at flanking.
The idea of proficiencies for weapons are great but some are too good compared to others. The only reason people would use the « less good » ones would be because they have not unlocked the others yet. A cool idea with proficiencies would be to add negatives to all the ones that are clearly better than the others.
I think it being on precision weapons like the itra or snipers/Marksman rifles would be more understandable. But on full auto weapons? Not a chance. Hell I could see it on semi auto pistols before automatic rifles
Hey ace would you be able to look into the hardcore mode possibly being broken I don’t think there a gun that can get a 1 shot kill unless you use the mp40 with the high damage rounds but feels like you need to be point blank still .
Put it on when I first saw I had it didnt notice that it was broken just thought it was the gun melting and didn’t know everyone thought it was a issue 🤣
And there’s no need to nerf it just make the other guns better lmao Idk why all these developers focus on like a small handful of broken guns can we just bring back the style of every broken gun from mw2 so there isn’t some bs patch that fucks with you so you have to change the whole gun
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Ace: "It will be hard to miss the upper torso."
Me: "Hold my beer..."
I be shootin em in the dingus and the knees and shit
Those feet looking a lot like heads
@@WokeFatti YOUR HITTING YOUR ENEMIES?
Me: drops beer handoff 😐
@ Dan B 😂😂😂
There's also an attachment with the STG that boosts headshot damage (one of the barrels - it does nerf hits to the body though). I've been running that with vital and incendiary rounds, and it's frankly disgusting.
So, increased crit damage, increased crit area to counter the decrease, and a slight burn effect. Are you sure you're not running a Destiny weapon sir?
That's more broken than my wallet.
@@Briggsian A weapon from serious sam
Incendiary sounds nice. I used the ammo type that removes limb damage dropoff
@Guy Who Killed U I'd be down for an Insurgency Sandstorm style system with a set point limit (ala pick 10), but not everything is weighted equally. A more powerful perk or weapon would cost more to equip for example.
This must be why I have been getting killed in two shots from the STG a lot.
@UC8wr4LA6HJB09i6l7y_JDNg no, 2 lol I have died in 2 shots multiple times. And, yes, I have watched the killcam and counted hit markers lol
@@OddlyKing Yeah with the third barrel and vital you can cheese a lobby.
@@KiryokuYT stg with russian short mag and vital always 2 shots 😂😂
It baffles me to think that this was considered ok, same with the frangible rounds etc.
I'm not a game designer, I'm just a player. I'm sure they see these things very differently to me.
All I understand is that CoD devs tend to want to avoid crutch classes, yet they design things like these...
Ever since they made crutch power spots in MW, I wouldn’t put it past them now
@@ZunDr0nL1kX CoD always had elements of "crutch" even in their "golden era" titles. I think they will purposely include these crutch elements in games now to better include struggling players. With that being said, I think this is jsut an oversight tbh.
they do NOT play thier own game...that is why this BS is in!...the TTK is far to quick as it is!
I disagree, COD was always about having crutch classes for new players and for good players to abuse to make COD players look like badasses. I mean you have radar this year and why would you use anything else in that class tier
If you consider BO2 in the Golden Era, than you are incorrect because when Toughness perk was in BO2, everyone ran it because the flinch was very noticeable and toughness almost eliminated flinch
This sounds more like the High Caliber attachments from BO4 where it would essentially do the same thing to upper torso and more if high caliber II was an option.
At least you had to use the wildcard and then 2 attachment slots, so that High Caliber II costed 3 out of the pick 10 slots
@@alangonzalez9017 HIGH Cal was only for certain weapons. And most guns have a Dedicated class. Rampart. With HC2 is a three shot from any range. The Auger DMR. Also a 2 to 3 shot kill from any range. Why wouldn't you use them (since they have low recoil)
@@oscarfunez3806 not to mention the skill. It's probably just me but if you know how to move you can beat someone that had the auger and the rampart required great recoil control
@@michaelaguilera6946 Well it is an assault rifle and marksman rifle. But you had a better chance of defending yourself with the Rampart. If your good at hipfire. But smgs were dominant in most most. (Except I ran the ballistic knife. It was the most fun I had doing so. )
Isn't there a barrel on the stg that increases hs damage but reduce regular damage?, so it'd be a 2 shot kill to the upper torso?
Actually only 1 shot to the upper torso is needed as it does 78 critical damage and 22 regular damage
@@lucascintra5836 actually? Or just a guess?
thanks for bringing this to my attention
imma abuse this rn
@@kareemezzat607 Have fun!
@@lucascintra5836 wow, so 1 to the upper torso and 1 anywhere else. On a full auto ar. Wow.
Come on, vital could be good on bad weapon to make them viable but COME ON, the stg really??? It was already meta.
People don't care. There's players who will run the same gun for an entire year if the devs don't make an effort to balance it. Sledgehammer doesn't have a good track record of weapon balancing, but they're debatable the most responsive to community feedback. Anything could happen honestly.
The beta also gave out a blueprint with vital on it. Pretty busted.
@@dillonc7955 BAL-27 & ASM1 flashbacks....
@@perunahanhi6789 first thing i had flashbacks to lmaooo. atleast in that game we had movement that could let you completely outclass someone using those guns
How about the devs make every gun viable like BO2 and MW2? Just a thought.
I feel like a recoil increase while using it could help mitigate the massive upside while using it. Would sort of mimic stopping power rounds from MW
I never had trouble controlling most MW guns with stopping power rounds on so..
hope you don't face me in Vanguard?
@@kionera96 I mean they were definitely still controllable just took a little bit of actual effort to control them to balance the higher DPS output. And for the record the game is downloaded for when I'm off work tn so I hope to see you there!
@@shadowguardian321 shive mi timbers
I agree !!
ACE PLEASE READ THIS! This game uses a strange algorithmic stacking method for damage which in un-determinable as the percentages change depending on what's equipped. For example the STG44 has a base damage of 29. With the 3rd barrel (-24.1% damage) and the 2nd Magazine (+41.4% damage) equipped the game shows 28 Damage. No matter how you multiply or stack these percentages you can't arrive at 28 damage, it should be 34. Any insights on this?
Are you telling me there's an SMG and an AR in CoD that are leaps and bounds better than their classmates? 🤯
Imagine my shock
Lol. The fun part is that not only STG is good as is, it's even better with Vital. And you get a blueprint with , if you get to level 20(?) in Beta.
So this is why the STG sometimes feels like its instakill in multiplayer
They already nerfed it by making so vital doesn’t stack with not only higher caliber rounds, but it doesn’t stack with anything that increases damage, but it does cancel out anything that lowers damage (within the vital area)
yo ace, a little feedback on the production of the video, when you do the facecams you should probably take the big ass headset off, it'd look more clean and professional without that on. otherwise looking forward to you killin that vanguard grind on YT, hope the views are good
I appreciate the feedback and may adjust accordingly. The headset is usually glued to my head all day!
@@TheXclusiveAce I want to be a other voice you may or may not listen to you telling you that I actually am cool seeing you with a headset on especially since that's how you'd be streaming the game anyways.
So this is why everyones STG is completely destroying mine...
I think a potential fix to this would be to make it where vital only applies at close range and maybe adds recoil too. Or make it lower your mag capacity
The paranoia perk is quite annoying as well. Anytime your screen turns yellow from being seen, you'll get the announcer saying that you're being watched, as if the gold tint on the screen wasn't distracting enough.
I thought this was paranoia not schizophrenia
@@connorbutters8479 lmao
Don't use it then? like what?
Now it makes sense why some people had guns that would MELT me in the lobby. I was certain some people were getting 3 shot kills on me at full health in the kill cam and this confirms it.
I did wonder why sometimes I was clearly shooting first on target and getting melted.
Hopefully, since SHG have listened and acted on previous player feedback, they'll fix it.
You could just reduce the damage of Vital by a fraction while adding additional recoil.
For now I don’t mind Vital on the ITRA but have to see how’s it gonna be and for the other guns it’s just too powerful to miss out on. I would like them to change the boost only to the Neck region instead of the Upper Torso.
I’ve seen 100 of your vids and I can honestly say that is NOT what I thought you’d look like. Keep up the good work. 👍🏽
It's also available on the double barrel shotgun which makes it a pseudo sniper and that's fun imo
And the combat shotgun! It's op as fuck and nobody's using it
But then some guns can have Gung Ho (to eliminate sprint to fire time) which reduces the time to kill by a similar amount, so perhaps it’s balanced if your play style matches your setup
On the SVT-40, there's a damage increasing barrel, a larger caliber, and the vital perk. When all three are combined, you can get a 1 shot kill from the waist up at most ranges with minimal recoil and a much higher fire rate than the snipers. It is ridiculously easy to use, I noticed it when in custom games... alongside akimbo double barrel shotguns, but that's an entirely different discussion
What should be noted imo is that the headshot multiplier when using the headshot barrels DOES NOT carry over. Vital will still give you a 3-hit kill to the upper chest with a StG using a precision barrel and .30 Russian Short, but it won’t be a full on 2-hit kill to the upper chest.
How I think it works is that it straight up uses the headshot damage when it’s using any other barrel. However, when using headshot barrels, Vital “only” gives you the base headshot multiplier to the torso.
Doesn’t mean it’s not insane tho.
Glad you pointed it out. Your videos travel and I am sure the fact you made this will get the Devs attention
Great video glad it won’t be my problem since I won’t be getting the game until they bring back my minimap
If they leave it on just the Itra and remove it from the full auto guns I think it'd be fine, convert the vital on stg and type into a barrel that does the same thing but with a downside like slower firerate or lower range
More recoil lower fire rate I’m all for it
i’ve been ranting about dying too quick all day, then ace uploads this..
My go to is the Akimbo Shotgun pistols, already have gold and first prestige just started this morning. They are the equivalent of pre nerf shotty pistols in MW lmao, been getting hatemail all day
Wouldn’t this stack even higher with someone of the dmg enhancing mags also? Like the stg has a mag that boost the dmg to like 46 so a 3shot kill base along with vital? Making the ttk that much faster?
Yup
@@benb.1789 sadly and there a ammo attachment that increases your upper torso multiplier I think, so combine the 3 and you have a gun that’s just maybe 2-3 shot kills always
The STG beats me at every single range no matter what it’s out of control
It’s been frustrating tryna level up these other guns while people are running around with that thing lol
That's what happens when game devs 70+ attachments that they have to somehow balance. There's bound of be outliers if rushed especially.
@@dillonc7955 super dumb how the more we go back in time setting, the more attachments and perks the guns get lol if anything it should be the complete opposite
@@Carlisho yeah but cold war's attachments were kinda shit and I think going in the direction of MW2019's gunsmith will make the sandbox better
That's how it was in beta and all cods. First weapon unlocked everyone gonna use it at release
Now if there was only a perk that gave me headshot multipliers when I completely miss everything. That would be useful for me!
I feel it depends on gun types because the 1916 is pretty slow and some guns need that perk to stand up to faster fire rate guns
Type 100 feels super OP especially when using the high caliber ammo from the pre-order blueprint
Thanks for the heads up Ace👊
Love your content Ace but I believe your mistaken. All guns it seems have an attachment that will take the amount of bullets to kill up or down, the STGs just happens to be Vital. The Volks has .30 Russian short drum mag and we can boost to over 700 RPM with a 3 shot kill that has high accuracy and instant ADS and it seems like all guns can become a murder machine with the right set up and a lot of them outshine the Vital attachment
You can make the M1 Garand into a sniper with the headshot dmg inc. barrel and the vital perk
The characters' faces when they get shot, look quite nice
I think with all the other ways to mess around with the ttk of guns with attachments that increase fire rates and magazines that change the caliber of guns, I don’t think this perk will be too crutch
Awesome! Almost got this unlocked for the Type 100.
It´s already a big issue in the lobbies I play in, with like 80-90% of people using only STG with vital, and some with the +dmg attachments as well making it even more broken. Trying to use any other weapon in those lobbies is a waste of time.
I use a shotgun barrel that increases vital damage A LOT and the vital perk which increases the area of vitals.
Is that on the rotary one (not sure what it’s called as not used it yet) but got melted by a guy a few games ago running some nutty snotty setup!
As a counterpoint, I don't think this actually does *nearly* as much as you're suggesting. The TTK numbers you've cited appear to be hypothetical/illustrative, and only really apply to the StG when you're using the default 8mm Kurz ammo. You can already make the StG a 3 shot kill weapon with Russian Short at the cost of some modest recoil and going from 600->550 RPM (gaining velocity, pen, etc), as it changes the base damage from 29 to 41. Russian Short makes the StG one of the faster killing AR's in the game, but the theoretical TTK is still only on a par with the best options for the Automaton and BAR, and it remains behind the Volk and AS44 (which both also have secondary options comparable to the best StG/Automaton/BAR ammunition).
Now if this made Russian Short a potential 2 shot kill we'd have a problem, but it doesn't - Russian Short retains the same vital damage (43) and consequently gains no real benefit from head/vital shots. So ultimately all this really does is let you run 8mm Kurz competitively with Russian Short - you get lower recoil and a 50 RPM boost, but also need modestly higher accuracy and give up range/speed/pen/limb damage to do so. That's "good attachment" territory, not "ban this sick filth."
However, that said I should caveat that it might actually be outright busted with the Krausnick 620MM precision barrel, which sets vital damage to 78 and allows 2 shot kills (probably best combined with Russian Short since that still keeps your non-vital damage in normal 4-hit-kill territory and gives you more leeway with the 2 shot kill distance).
There is an proficensy for automaton called frenzy which heals you for kills, that one is pretty strong aswell
Just to be clear this will not work with the cooper carbine .30 rounds? Correct? I don’t want to waste a proficiency.
“Flonase, when your job is talking to humans, use Flonase!”
Thats why I'm dying so freaking fast. A lot of gun fights I lost or feel like takes forever to kill somebody.
Imagine vital if it’s the same or useable in WZ. It would be like the same time to kill someone fully plated (or maybe 2 plates) using a vital stg vs someone without plates being killed with a non vital STA
Anyone with any automatic weapon: *exists*
Anyone with a marksman rifle: Guess I'll die.
Seriously, what's the point of marksman rifles if ARs and SMGs can delete people at any range?
I think it's alright for the burst gun cause your still going to be firing that 4th shot and there's still a burst delay in between, but for the others it's definitely a bit to unbalanced. Hopefully the devs take a look at it and make a change.
The fact vital is on the blueprint from the start had me using it since launch
this plus the svt-40 makes it a one-shot to the upper torso, nasty
If it was available for all guns I wouldn’t mind but it’s available for only a few and 2 of them are already meta so yeah they should either adjust it or put it for everything
Anyone remember when this was a 2 attachment ordeal back in BO4? I loved Hi Caliber 2 on the Rampart
Difference is Blops4 was a 150 health game.
Can't wait to break out my Mosin in Warzone Lengthened Rounds + Vital is gonna make such a great combo for long distance shots
ISSUE!! With the reticles to, I unlocked the 1500 kill zombie reflex reticle, the dot was missing from it and it was a different colour, was just a huge circle lol
Looking fresh in de facecam. Nice job ace
Even if you made it take 2-3 shots to the upper torso to make it less effective most people still aim there so most of their shots are there.
It will still be the best thing to run on your gun entirely for this fact alone.
You and Jgod be doing the lords work thank yewww Ace!!!
I think the ITRA is fine to have it because even with it being a little more forgiving since it is a burst it still requires skill. The others mentioned in video on the other hand probably shouldn't have it since they are a little less skill needed thus too powerful.
Well, the issue is the is no reason to use ITRA without Vital. It's waaay to unforgiving without it.
Care packages have so much bounce on landing that they bounce out the map! 😂
For the Type 100, I ran vital with the 30 round large caliber ammo (second option) and I noticed no change in TTK.
Yooooo they know what they are doing... the RAT-A-TAT variant for the STG has Vital as the Prof... and that was unlocked for me when I started idk if its because of the pre order bonus. But, it's smart to do that, so people automatically use the variant and MELT PEOPLE. not even realizing it. Then now it can be called out, they can act like they were unaware of what it will do. Then nerf it. I Am vehemently opposed to having variants at the launch of the game. It let's most everyone (who pre ordered or will spend money) to bypass grinding gun levels. And, drops a VAST difference in between those who have a variant and those who don't. And, it discourages the use of different weapons... why would you switch when you have a gun with shit unlocked... now that's the only gun you have used and unlock everything during the process of using the variant. So now the reason to switch is even more slim... Also it let's noobs come in and melt people(thats why o suspect they have them)these are the attachments for the RAT-A-TAT
MUZZLE: Chord Muzzle Brake
+3.6% horizontal recoil
BARREL: VDD 760mm 05B
+12.5% damage range
+15.6% vertical recoil control
+53.4% horizontal recoil control
+52% idle sway control
‐8% ADS walking speed
-9.7% sprint to fire time (SFT)
‐18.3% hip fire accuracy
OPTIC: ZF4 3.5X Rifle Scope
+4.8% vertical recoil control
+4.8% horizontal recoil control
+80% idle sway control
-4.3% ADS time
STOCK: VDD 27 Precision
+3.5% ADS time
+10.5% horizontal recoil control
-4.1% movement speed
-4% hip fire accuracy
UNDERBARREL: M1930 Strife Angled
+7.1 horizontal recoil control
-4.6 STF
+1 aiming stability
+1 aim walking steadiness
MAGAZINE: .30 Russian Short 30 Round Mags
+41.4% damage
+17.4% effective range
+20% bullet velocity
+40% vehicle damage
+166.7% penetration
-8.3% fire rate
-2.1% movement speed
-6.5% ADS time
-30% vertical recoil control
-25% horizontal recoil control
-3.2% hip fire accuracy
REAR GRIP: Stippled Grip
+8.7% vertical recoil control
+12.9% horizontal recoil control
+20% centering speed
PROFICIENCY: Vital
+1 increased area for critical hits
Now take the mag attachment off... almost all positives. Even with the mags on, should this be something tons of people start out with? They have a decked MP-40 called SHREDDER as well. This is why I was getting upset being LITERALLY sniped by STGs across the map when I'm trying to snipe with the Arisaka! It's ridiculous. It ruins the beginning of the games life cycle. Playing my first early access match felt like the game had been out for months already...
I don’t think I’ll play this long enough to unlock it. The full release is slightly better than the beta. I still cant see anything and all I get for directional audio is my own teams feet clunking around.
Great vid! Can you do a vid explaining combat pacing? I tried all three and I can't notice the difference between the three.
It changes the amount of players on each team
@@zakadie9637 that's what I thought but I still get 12 vs 12 in Tactical just like Blitz. Unless if it's bugged out
I can't wait to unlock it then because i haven't had any kills that took less than 7-8 shots and most of them were wounded I'm sure
I’m not upset ofnyou sharing info. As you said, people will find out anyway + exposure tells the devs change is obviously needed to something if it is to high extent. I’m more upset that the starting gameplay was w the MP40.
Nah but seriously, I know people would use the STG for a bit because it was usable to rank up early in Wz, but to see it and the MP40 to this extent is annoying and disgusting. This is the time to rank up all the weapons before Wz comes out, not just use the same constant 2.. literally the killfeed is either one of those two weapons my past several matches.
Me and some other people try using other guns but because we got to level them up, they won’t be as good & sbmm on top doesn’t help. I went against Biffle in a Dome match meanwhile my stats aren’t even that high. That should highlight something about COD.
Maybe instead of extending the headshot area, it could extend the upper torso area to the lower torso, and shoulders. Also, does it only increase just the headshot area, or does every area get bumped up one.
It's strong but I guess you have to accurate... but yeah I agree with Ace, reduce the multiplier by a bit if you use this. Otherwise it has no downside and increases your damage a lot. It's like high caliber used to be, a crutch because it's too good
Does anyone else notice Death Artist Camo for 3-Line Sniper for the Death Artist camo requires Vital Prof... and there is no Vital Prof...????
They should have just done something similar to high-caliber rounds in bo3 or 4. You benefit from having good accuracy and hitting those shots to the head. And you're really earning them now with how much faster this game plays. These time to kills are even faster than MW 😅. Alot of people thought MW had fast TTK and these guns do it twice as fast 🙃
When I used vital on the type 100 when going for gold it felt nice since I always got hitmarkers now a lot more one shot kill
Well since we have sbmm turned up to 100 then I hope they keep these guns like they are. Might as well. At least then it’s a more even playing field for people who aren’t the best aimers but are good at flanking.
I swear sometimes I die in one bullet by the stg but when I use the automaton it’s literally a marshmallow cannon
Core players..."whaaaaaa! Gun kills in two to three hits."
Hardcore players "First time?"
Wtf is SHG thinking??? Thanks for the heads up Ace!!
The idea of proficiencies for weapons are great but some are too good compared to others. The only reason people would use the « less good » ones would be because they have not unlocked the others yet. A cool idea with proficiencies would be to add negatives to all the ones that are clearly better than the others.
Ace do you notice that when you unselect 120hz in the menu it makes the game look better !!
This explains why it seemed like dudes were looking at me and I was dying instantly. It does need to be nerfed
How does this interact with the headshot dmg boosting barrels?
Making the gun even more broken
I die in 2 shots before I can even see where I’m being shot from on these blurry maps
I think its fine for certain guns, its just high caliber pretty much
I think it being on precision weapons like the itra or snipers/Marksman rifles would be more understandable. But on full auto weapons? Not a chance. Hell I could see it on semi auto pistols before automatic rifles
Hey ace would you be able to look into the hardcore mode possibly being broken I don’t think there a gun that can get a 1 shot kill unless you use the mp40 with the high damage rounds but feels like you need to be point blank still .
Remebers me of BO3 Man o War with High Caliber II. This was too good
Does this proficiency affect hardcore game modes
Do you all also have the glitch where you can only play tactical HC?
It's dirty on that combat shotgun too
I wonder if I should use surplus to get more weapon xp rewards or should I use vital to get more kills to get weapon xp rewards ?
Oh boy ace brought out THE CAPS
I think you can also get it on the pump shotgun
You don't have to worry about this much in hard-core.
Brilliant video thank you 😊
Idk how I got it but I have a blueprint for the STG that already has vital on it, wonder if everyone has that.
Ace, how are you getting damage numbers? The hard way?
This is basically High Caliber II on steroids
it's like high cal 2 but instead of pick 10 we've got 10 slots for the entire gun. So little to no downsides I guess
How does it work in a combo with vital and the last barrel on M1. If it works as I think, it would be a 1 hit kill machin
Put it on when I first saw I had it didnt notice that it was broken just thought it was the gun melting and didn’t know everyone thought it was a issue 🤣
And there’s no need to nerf it just make the other guns better lmao Idk why all these developers focus on like a small handful of broken guns can we just bring back the style of every broken gun from mw2 so there isn’t some bs patch that fucks with you so you have to change the whole gun