As a career firefighter, this is one of the worst fire departments I’ve ever seen. They did so many things wrong it would take me an hour to name them all. I hope the leadership learned something here and they correct all these mistakes.
The owners of that poor house had no chance of saving it with such an inept, untrained, misfit of a fire department. Utter disgrace the lack of motivation! Its embarrassing to watch!
The guy filming this did a better walk around assessment than any officers that arrived. The Charlie exposure needed a line but these guys all stood in the driveway, essentially using the equivalent of a garden hose with no pressure. Being an all volunteer department is no excuse. I'm hoping they all didn't go back to the station and pat themselves on the back for what a great job they did.
Lol man I hate to beat on brothers…. And I realize it’s different all over and even different on opposite sides of towns… but my first impression was all that fine shiny equipment and no firefighters. ;) Training and experience is key.
Larry, Moe, Curly, and Shemp. Every video is a disaster after disaster. Fires require precise training, precise roles. These guys were running around like a Chinese fire drill doing absolutely nothing at all. Was isolated in the attic upon arrival. By the time the garden hose went on, it had engulfed half the home. No doubt safety is first priority. Something I never see is if anyone checked the interior for people or animals. Maybe the sheriff did, no clue.
All that fancy, shinny, expensive apparatus lined up in the street and was a cluster. I feel horrible for the family/home owner and pray no one was hurt. Also hope that they use the experience and video as a learning tool. We can learn something from every incident, even the ones that seem to go by the book.
our initial alarm structure fire assignment aka "general alarm", we get 5 chiefs, 3 engines, 3 medics, 3 trucks and a heavy rescue, talk about cluster lol
@@JosephStAmant-vm1cg Even a couch fire fighter can determine what is a cluster and what is not. This is a cluster! Too many departments worry about having all this pretty equipment. The first arriving unit is a quint! Totally useless! How much water does a quint carry? Not enough! Every one of my department’s 21 stations has an apparatus that carries a minimum of 750 gallons! The pretty equipment does not extinguish the fire. Even in my community that I live the city has a $1.3 million aerial. Two times in the past year they have had to call on a local volunteer fire department to send their $10,000 used aerial! Why? Because the big bad expensive POS was out of service. By the way, the Chief of the volunteer department, who is a retired REAL firefighter, had to take control of the scene because the alleged professionals turned their scene into a cluster. Thank God this guy can stand his ground. He informed the big bad professionals that either he was going to take over and run the scene correctly or he, his apparatus and personnel were packing up and leaving.
@@poppiarlin5612 Does this quint even carry hi-vol to tag a hydrant? If your first due unit (no matter what) can not tag a hydrant, I just pray there is a truck right behind that can then feed the quint. As soon as I seen the quint pull up and the one FF needing help putting his regulator on, I knew this was going south. It is unfortunate, but yep a couch firefighter can definately determine this was a huge cluster. Maybe there is more to the story on this one, or so I hope anyways
I would be so embarrassed if that was my department. It looked like new firefighters on their first fire. Training, training, training looks like that is what is needed.
before everybody goes crapping all over Bay Head, please understand that that is one of the most expensive towns on the Jersey Shore to live in, and a base of people that live there year round willing to train, train & train & get dirty with very few fires each year is pretty limited. At least now they have automatic mutual aid from the surrounding towns and FAST (RIT) team dispatch immediately upon discovering they have a working incident. The call volume can't justify paid EMS (there are career paramedics out of the hospitals) let alone paid suppression crews.
@@brandonseyfried1251 where I volunteer we have very few fires but we train with hose advancements and how to properly flake a line out so it doesn’t get kinked the way that attack line did. Just because you don’t see a fire every day doesn’t mean you can’t train to know what to do.
This is just ridiculous I'm surprised here the lack of response as this house burns. I have nothing but the utmost respect for first responders but this just hits me hard
Reminds me of the apartment building I lived in, that burned two years ago, fire departments seemed like they took forever, and they also had low water pressure at the hydrants. By the time they started fighting the fire, the 3rd floor was engulfed in flames
@@bradmagnuson6963 …Well Brad, hydrant pressure has absolutely nothing to do with the FD, that’s the water Dept issue and did you live in a town with a volunteer FD? If you have anything to say about response time, put down your phone and go pick up an application and join. Ok Mary..! With this shit government more and more of us find very little time to do it with inflation being where it’s at. All of us are working 2-3 jobs…got it Dorthy..?
@@heavy7799 All fir departments should be paid. The days of people being available are over. I live in a very wealthy county, unbelievably still volunteer except EMS
@@bradmagnuson6963 Not to speak hate like the other comments but unfortunately new fire dynamics have fire spread to everywhere under minutes. Regardless of whatever type of department, it’s tough to knock down fires in the incipient phase when you’re a civilian. If you notice this video, the fire started to a vent limited fire to fully developed in 3 minutes lol. And an engine would probably barely arrive and start deploying. Just saying.
One thing I constantly see in these videos is the PASS alarm going off for a VERY extended period of time. We need to understand that when we hear that noise on the fireground, that means someone is in trouble!! Do not be complacent and just let that go off. But that is just one of many things to learn from this incident.
I taught SCBA usage for 19 years at a college fire academy. One of the most important rules I drilled into my students head was not to let the PASS device go into full alert on the fire ground. I told them that this is in a sense crying wolf when there was actually no need to. If firefighters become used to hearing this on the fire ground, they will ignore it when there is an actual emergency! I cannot for the life of me understand why this is not enforced in most of the fire departments I see.
Absolutely, I see it far to often that firefighters just let the PASS go off for way to long. I've ran RIT plenty of times and plenty of those times I've had to remind our crews to shake and not to let them keep going off. God forbid it ever was a true emergency, no one would take it as a real emergency situation. RIT or not, It's EVERYONE's duty to make sure that everyone is safe and accounted for while on the scene. Don't just let PASS to continue going off.
@@jasonwhitlock179 My department had switched from Scott to MSA a while back. I personally like the MSA's better than the Scotts too. Such easy maintenance, a lot more comfortable, and you don't have to dance to stop it from going off.
Fortunately it was a well constructed older house, that limited the fire spread . If this was a new plastic house these guys would have lost it. Great video!!
With the use of this video, the homeowner should be able to file a negligence lawsuit against the town and against each fireman on scene. This lovely home was unfortunately in the hands of a bunch of bumbling idiots. The cameraman told crews 5-6 times there was heavy fire in the rear and was ignored. So much taxpayer funded equipment in the street with no sense of urgency. Disgusting
@ Until it’s your home (assuming you even own one) and you watch all of your belongings go up in smoke because of incompetence. Only then can we see if you stand by your “cowardly” remark.
@@MrScottie68 That's what insurance is for. The whole point of insurance is to cover what you lose. But you jump straight to lawsuit. People today are big and bad behind their lawyers leg and silent face to face, that's the problem.
Omgggg comment of the week. I can't stop laughing. Unreal they did more video taping and watering the bushes rather then fighting the fire quick to save the damn house.
Excellent footage as always. Hopefully bay head reviews this video and addresses glaring basic firefighting issues on simply donning gear and pump operations.
Are you even a firefighter!!! If you aren't you need to be quiet because you obviously have NO clue about fighting fires!!! Or procedures!!! And yes, I'm a firefighter/EMT, and level one trauma tech!!!
@@margief1798 going to go out on a limb here and assume your company responded here. This video can be used as a great training tool to improve what went wrong but instead you defend the people who have no business being firefighters.
@@robstick2792An engine company showed up and every single person needed assistance with their SCBA. the pump operator didn’t even notice he was grossly undercharging the hand line. There is other things we can touch on but these are the absolute basics. 0 reason this is the product that you present to your citizens. Mutual aid saved the day here.
Excellent footage. The firefighters 🚒 need more training, and better water pressure. It almost seemed like they were not listening to what was being said, that the fire was in the back of the house. There should have been more then one firefighter fighting it at the beginning The city needs to check the hydrants to see what the water pressure is at. I hope you have a great day my friend ❤😊.
If you read the text of the video there were seven (7) mutual aid companies called in on the second alarm. Each volunteer fire company has its own chief, but the home department still has a chief who is in charge and asks a mutual aid company to do a specific task.
this is just embarrassing. guys breathing air OUTSIDE the structure away from smoke. flash hoods not on correctly. cant get water to a 1 3/4 line. PASS ALARM GOING OFF THE ENTIRE TIME. just sad.
Embarrassing! Comment from a retired firefighter. “Whoa. Atrocious. No command presence at all. Simple size up/ walk around shows it’s a rear bedroom fire extending to attic Therwould have been damage but that’s ridiculous. Water supply, hose stretching, search all inexcusable. Some old lady coulda been in there. Volunteers can be good or THIS”
@@Summerguy24 28 years in and you’re still ragging on your brothers and sisters in the service. Every FF thinks they know considerably more than the next. Why is that? You don’t see Physicians doing this. I can’t think of many professions regularly eating their own for all to see. What is wrong with you people. Your comment is trite because it is a perfunctory criticism that appears in the majority of fire videos. Your ego needs a few training moments. Arrogance is not an asset.
@@Summerguy24 Girl....that is the big justification we see over and over again. Nobody appointed you to dispense "constructive criticism". Nobody asked you to...either. Nobody necessarily thinks you are qualified to dispense criticism. Therein lies the problem ....girl. You actually think you are better than the next FF. You may be... or may not be. (You want us to assume that you are.) You are your own biggest fan.... there are treatments for that. Give it some consideration.
Helpful hint...listen to the radio chatter while responded if your the first apparatus responding, tie into the nearest hydrant first ! Officer didn't evaluate scene and didn't coordinate incoming apparatus either . Close to 6 minutes before water hit the fire after arrival. Every company I was involved with had a notebook on the dash in front of he Officer seat...notebooks contain a list of all streets and locations of every hydrant.
I don't like when chiefs don't give instructions to the incoming app they were the supply, and other hint they never claimed water on the fire an update of actual fire conditions were the fire was nothing
I really can't find too much fault in this one. When I saw the line going to the back to "attack the fire", completely ignoring the fact that the fire is inside, and the venting flames are just that, I thought "herer we go again" .Luckily the next group went inside and really knocked it out. Good job guys.
Well that's what I learned during my training in 1989 so I have to agree with you to a point. But recently UL/NIST have conducted a Lot of research during real burn tests. The data say put a Limited amount of water on the fire to "reset" the fire and reduce the thermal stress on interior search/extinguishmen crews, And Possible Victims. In contrast we were taught to Never apply water until primary search was over, and only go defensive if it's fully involved. Turns out "hitting it hard from the yard" in the case of a room fire with a straight stream bounced off the ceiling for 5-10 seconds does Not disturb thermal layering and steam everyone inside, but makes the building more tenable for all. Disclaimer: I left the FD in 2000 so I have no direct experience in these new techniques . David RDFPD #30 retired
@David Pacholok you're 100% correct. Old timers still think transitional attacks are no good but they never look at the evidence. This would have been a good job for a transitional because of the lack of man power originally on scene and thier slow pace.
@@davidpacholok8935 That's what we've been doing for at least a couple decades, hit the first fire you see to cool it down and slow its spread, then use the time you just bought yourself to determine what's next. We didn't do that based on NIST research, we did that because we're a rural and mostly volunteer department that often has to control a fire until enough personnel and resources arrive on scene to actually put it out. We're currently trying out a European style hose reel on one of our engines so whoever is driving that engine can put some water on the fire while they're doing their 360, and possibly slow the fire's advance while waiting for other personnel to arrive.
I've never seen something so bad in my 20 plus years in the fire service . I would be ashamed of myself on that subpar performance looked like they just didn't give a shit.Good thing no was trapped whatever happened to making entry and primary search, ventilation and throwing some ground ladders.Shame on who ever is in charge letting his people being that unprepared all you needed was the clowns and dancing bears ...oh sorry they were there with out tools in their hands
So I watched the video and thought as some of you did, that this could have been done a whole lot better. I am comfortable with my thoughts and what I am about to say and I feel so after 20 years as career FF in metro Atlanta. First off "good job" for never quiting the fight. It might have started out bad but you guys kept on fighting and fighting til it started going your way and for that I applaud you all! Second, the structure is still standing and from the looks of it it can be repaired and not torn down, I cannot say that for all the fire I saw in my career and third I wasn't there and trust me, be very careful commenting on fires YOU did not have a part of and throwing other FF's under the bus (arm chair quarterbacking) I learned that within my own department, the hard way. There are 2 types of FF's in these type incidents... Those that have burned a structure to the ground and learned and grew from it and those that are young, haven't seen enough fire yet to witness a true bad fire and burned one to the ground. Hopefully the incident was reviewed and discussed and things were learned by all. Remember you can find something wrong with just about anything.
I cant help but thinking that your comments are summed up to "The ends justify the means" , Sorry, I disagree - if anyone takes these comments as thrown under the bus and not as a hint to look closer and see what you can do better - then they are the ones with the issue. I ask myself my house , my pets and someone sleeping inside or taking a shower - would I be ok with this response. Sorry - it is what it is. I agree that this should be a learning tool and be thankful no one was inside or hurt but just because we come from the Profession does not mean we can not expect higher from our brothers and sisters.
@@Kilrinstinct1 Age has nothing to do with it. I just lost an uncle at 95 who was still driving the fire truck and operating it at active fires. He was a volunteer fireman for 60 years. Something was wrong here. Looks like inadequate pressure. But WHY?
Where I come from the vollys show up and go to work get in get out and go home and the career staff with our mutual aid neighbors have to have some one hold their hand and draw them a picture.They’re to concerned with the life guard sun shades, and looking like hot stuff rather than being a well trained competent Firefighter. When they do go in they flow huge amounts of water on a room and content fire ,knock windows out that can be opened and tear up someone’s home when it’s not necessary and act like they’re holier than thou.we are one of the few 100% volunteer departments in our area and we take pride in that.We move efficiently without panic and everyone knows what they’re job is.The seasoned guys keep the young pups close and pass their demeanor, and their knowledge down.Not all vollys look like this and they’re are a lot of great career firefighters also but most of which started as a volly.It was said one time by the local city and county fire rescue service in our area that anybody that volunteered with this particular department that I’m speaking of could have a job as a career firefighter anytime.😉 VOLLYS
Sorry Bay Head F.D., this was a “C” grade response - far too long to get water on the fire and, an indifferent response to the advise that the fire was big in the rear and should have been a priority. Lots of remedial training required for a full time professional outfit.
If I was a resident of this city, I'd be less than thrilled with the response from this fire department. It was almost comical. I think the neighbors could band together and do a better job with their garden hoses than this crew did. It was incredible. A big, shiny fire truck and a hose that couldn't squirt more than fifteen feet while this homeowner's house burns faster and faster.
First of all, great job with the video! Narration is not necessary! I have been a volunteer firefighter for over 50 years and when you come into a structure fire and see smoke, the first engine in should drop a line from the plug! In almost all of your video's, I do not remember any engine dropping a line. However, if you did not hit the plug, it should not take longer than about 45 seconds that the pump operator should not have at least one of the pre-connected lines charged and water on the fire! Whenever I pulled up to a scene, whether I hit the plug or not, as a driver, the pumper was put into pump gear, and pull the tank to pump lever and at that time the guys are pulling the pre-connect off the bed. In a matter of seconds, they should have water on the fire and then concentrate on hooking up your main feed line. All I see in all of your video's, is kayos and confusion! Training is needed for all! I hate to comment on these, but this is getting bad!
That house would have burned to the ground if it weren't for the mutual aid companies that knew what they were doing. I was laughing my ass off during the arrival of the first truck in. There is nothing more stupid looking than a fire fighter standing in front of a raging fire with an uncharged 1 1/2 line. And then when he gets some pressure, the water flows out like a man with prostate cancer. Plus they parked the aerial right under power lines! The Bay Head gang definitely needs to get off their asses and train, train, train instead of watching TV. What an embarrassment.
These are pretty small and highly seasonal - and insanely wealthy - towns, which is why you see a lot of volunteers and mutual aid response from neighboring municipalities like Mantoloking and Point Pleasant.
Wanna hear something TOTALLY insane? This house was built in 1955 for $25K and the original owners sold it in 1976 for like $65K. It sold again in 1996 for like $330K. It sold again in like 2012 for $975K and TODAY its worth like 1.8 million! Talk about insanely wealthy! You can see how the house appreciated as it should in the beginning and then in the '90's took off like a rocket ship!
Unbelievable, the Videographer has to act as the Command Unit and tell the firefighters where the fire is in the rear of the house and in the attic while you have a firefighter standing there with a weak stream of water coming out of his hose looking most pathetic. OMG! Otherwise it's a good video.
Honestly I'm surprised these departments even let you on these scenes anymore - every single one of these videos I watch are just showcasing how completely hopeless and incompetent most of them are. I understand they're mostly volunteers but it's literally just fuck up after fuck up. Maybe it's a culture thing in this area? I hope to god they see these videos and realise they need to get their act together.
I can confirm that they have already seen this one and many other and have done seminars or training sessions around these videos to help improve their tactics
@@jerseyshorefireresponse did you notice the garden hose on the Delta side? You could have been more effective with that than the responding firefighters were with their gear.
They're just retired FDNY guys who sit around and drink in the volunteer firehouse all day telling stories about sitting in the FDNY firehouse drinking all day.
Career fireman in Dallas and this video definitely has some teachable moments. I hate when guys arm chair qb so here’s to hoping this department can use this as a training video. Stay safe brothers!
True , as a retired NYC firefighter all I can say is train,train,train. In you mind you should be saying this is my house, they all need someone to lite a fire under their butts!
Camera man has more sense than first due crew, jeez. Just standing around, no trouble shooting and moving. Such expensive homes to be poorly protected.
"I've got an idea Chief. We have about 100 guys here -- how about if everyone had brought a five gallon bucket of water with them, could hit the fire really quick?"
This is very simple so pay attention. The first firefighter to arrive does a 360. That person tells the first driver to activate the pump on tank water and then pulls a 1-3/4" line to the rear and soaks the Visible Burning Material. The vast majority of the threat is eliminated within the first minute of arrival. Then they go to the top floor, access the attic to check for extension. If there is some fire, use the least amount of water to extinguish it. There is a lot of editing here, so this took a lot of time.
@@kentcarter835 Normally, I'd agree with you, but this time JB has it right. There WAS a lot done wrong here, and to his credit JB kept his comment direct and on target.
ya, spending 30 years in the Baltimore City Fire Department, we would have had this fire knocked in prob 3 minutes. Its an exterior fire 2nd floor deck, side Charlie that worked it's way to the interior. A line right away in the front door and up to the second floor would have got it quickly.
Yeah the back of that house really took off, hopefully there were no injuries to anyone related to this incident. Thank you to all firefighters everywhere for protecting the citizens of your coverage area.
This is the first RUclips video I have seen where the fire brigades managed to save most of the building from total destruction, so I say congratulations to the teams involved. As I am British, I can not tell the American Government how to run their country, but I strongly believe they should introduce new laws about using less combustible material in new-builds and all properties should have sprinkler systems installed.
That is how we are slowly approaching firefighting, most structure fires now are in older houses, this is because in my experience you need to have jerry rigged heaters to heat a old house that doesn’t have it, when those go wrong a wooden house goes up pretty easily, newer houses are being built with fire codes in mind, so we space them apart, only allow certain materials, out of the 20 structure fires I’ve listened to only 2 were newer homes with a kitchen incident
All of these guys are volunteer fire fighters and I agree there are a lot of things that need to be improved on, but remember as a volunteer these guys are usually not paid and also have other jobs and families that they are responsible for. Most volunteer firemen will tell you they lack training because of their other obligations. Somewhere in that department should be a seasoned fire person that needs to step and take charge and make sure all these guys do what is needed in the correct order. If you do not know how to operate the equipment then leave it to someone that can and stand by and watch and learn while they work. To many firefighters are get hurt and killed because they think they can put on turnout gear and are automatically fire proof and God's gift to fire fighting. The idea is you go protect life, property and do it in a safe manner and then go home.
Being a volunteer is not an excuse. Firefighting is not rocket science and the basics are quick and easy to train on. There are plenty of volunteer fire companies who are squared away unfortunately this wasn’t one of them.
I live in germany our volunteer firefighters get the same training as professional fire brigade. Only in the countryside there is the difference that very small fire brigades do not have compressed air breathing protection.
Agree with you. They come from where they are at. Not a full time firehouse. I still think there was a major issue with the water line from the truck. He was ready for a side/ rear defense attack.
Little boys playing a happy game of "Let's pretend we are firemen". Dutch (especially), Kiwi and Aussie firemen would have had that sucker drowned in short order. Yank firemen one and all should find this most embarrassing. It reminded me of a debacle recorded by Gerald Durrell in pre-WW2 Corfu.
That's right in the Netherlands we have "smart" fire fighters whole listen to each other and delegate hoe to attack the fire, you can look on thuis channel
Sad!!!!!! The first in department needs some serious training! Gladly no one was inside that required rescuing or this would have been a fatal! This company and the display from a few others show the lack of training and understanding of arriving to go to work! Be safe guys!
I just can’t understand what they were doing on the truck if they didn’t know what to do and the apparatus driver was clueless as well. No supply line, insufficient water pressure even if it was tank water, the firefighter wasting water…. I can’t, this is unreal!
That first guy with the hose looked like he had NO clue what he was doing. "You got it Ethel!" LOL. He should have followed the camera man's advice and gone to the back!! Footage was amazingly well done. I'm sure it's a huge help to insurance companies. Perhaps could be used in training those who show up first!
I've been spoiled by the Phoenix AZ fire dept. They put every other dept to shame that I've seen here. Phoenix/valley firefighters are professional, highly trained and realize the importance of getting water on the fire as quickly as possible. Pulling up and running a red line off the side of the truck through the front door getting water on the fire in under a minute goes a long way to slowing down or stopping the fire.
I won't throw them under the bus. Bay Head is a tiny, quaint and affluent town. I wonder if they 've had another fire in the last 20 years. If this occurred on the date it was posted, it was a Monday afternoon; safe bet most of the department was at work. Doesn't seem like the engineer knew how to pump his truck which has to be embarrassing. Great to see the Boro, the Beach and others come help. Let's remember that these guys are volleys and thank God for them. Be glad they finally got a stop on it before the house was lost. Be safe, Brothers.
All I could think while in watching this is when are they going to put water on it. No hustle, no sense of priority, took forever to charge the line. The poor homeowners!
That was ugly… Every structure fire is different but response time is important.. What’s more important is coordination when fire and rescue arrive on scene. When the first truck showed up, that was the most uncoordinated effort I’ve ever seen.. Back in the day we had drills every single day, everyone had a task and everyone from the candidate to lieutenant were backsides and elbows.. Millions of dollars worth of equipment sitting on that street , instead of spending time keeping all of it nice and shiny….. how about running drills , learn precision and coordination.. That was unbelievable and embarrassing to say the least.
Man good job brother I hope that house didn't start over a solar panel equipment because out here in California these homes are going up in smoke cuz of those things and the crazy part is the government wants the owners to install a solar panel equipment for free to their homes can you imagine that's playing with fire man you know but anyways man good captain 1 million thumbs up to your channel brother
I learned about the fire on July 9th, when I stopped by to give the owner the original blueprints from when my parents built the house in 1955. The house is a lot fancier now. My parents bought the land for $5,000 and spent $20,000 building a very basic house. As reported elsewhere, the fire started in the motor for the retractable awning over the deck that is over the porch. The salt air must not have been good for the motor. The porch is original, but the deck on top and circular stairs to get up there was added later. The roof over the front door was also added later. Looking in a window I saw that the first floor had been gutted of gypsum board. No doubt it was all water damaged. One good thing. After the owner called in the fire she moved her car out of the car park, so it would not be in the way.
There is actually a web page with pictures of this house being built in 1955. That house cost $20,000 to build, and appreciated $910,000 between sales in 1976 and 2012. The house really isn't anything special, but it's location, location, location.
Should have made a push through the front door and pushed it back to the second division Charlie side. Should have pulled a 2.5, not a 1 3.4, or at the very least a 2.5 second. You had hydrant access, one was called out on the corner. Pass devices going off. Showing up not fully dressed. Come on!! These are the basics.
Great vidoe, Thank you for sharing. Im surprised as organized as New Jersey Fire is set up on county level and yet they always have tactical and operational issues.
I've watched several of these pre-arrival vids and am still amazed at how these firemen act like they've got all day to start putting water on the houses. All that gear must really be hard to move in. They move like they're knee deep in molasses. I could've put that fire out with a water hose. Yet there they are looking at two kinks in the hose and wondering why the stream isn't reaching the fire.
why does it take so long for firefighters in america to get the first jet of water on the fire. here in the Netherlands almost always within 1 to 2 minutes. and the fire trucks are even smaller . but the American fire trucks look nicer I wish all rescuers a nice day
Perhaps this has already been noted by another, but this looks like a fire that started with a gas grill, parked right up against the house, on the balcony. Best not to use any grill on a wood, or roof deck and by all means keep an eye on it!
Could be someone put a cigarette out in a planter. It happened at my house, someone went outside to smoke and put their cigarette but in my planter pot, I saw the smoke from my window and went to look and the planter was on fire. Potting soil has a lot of compost in it and that’s what started the fire.
I don't think there was anyone IN the house at the time. So how could a cigarette or gas grill start it? Even if the tank for the grill leaked, it would need a spark to ignite it!
"Fight fire. Build with brick" My grandfather was the largest mason contractor in the State of Washington. He had a bumper sticker in his office. Even though building with brick does not fight fire, it's pretty funny. In fact, ask any firefighter and they'll tell you that brick veneer can be quite deadly. If the back up wall fails, the brick comes down and at 40 lbs a sq foot, it doesn't make for a good day at the office-if you know what I mean
I know these guys train for these situations but every video I see on this channel it looks like a clusterfuck. I was in the US Navy so believe me I know what a clusterfuck looks like.
Good lord man… way too many crew and apparatus on that scene. There’s such a thing as overkill which leads to ineffectiveness (as evidenced here). They also need to review pump operations when pressures fail.
Great video! You had the perfect amount of commentary on this one and the video cuts were awesome showing all the various units. Really enjoyed watching
I am not a firefighter!!!! I am an observer and I see all the glaring issues pop out at the start. Even the videographer was telling them to go the back because that was where the fire started. Then Margie F has to pipe up!!! We are not professionals like you guys, but we do understand the basic need at this fire was water, and it took a long time to get water on that. Maybe fire departments who are reviewed in videos by the professionals should be charged for what they could not put out. An early sign of water here could have stopped the damage that did come from this burn.
In Europe and the UK they'd have grabbed a high pressure hose reel as they jumped off the truck. Water would have been on the fire in 30 seconds tops. The US really do seem to be way behind the curve when it comes to fast initial attack.
Is soooooo painful watching ocean county volunteer fire departments !!! They are soooo slow and when they get there there soooo afraid to make an aggressive interior attack !! It’s really sad this fire in a paid city would have been contained to the rear porch . These bayhead firefighters are so incompetent they should be held accountable in court to repay the homeowner for the damages …. I worked in a busy inner city career FD in NJ for 25 years and this fire would have been extinguished in under 5 min and contained to the 2nd floor exterior rear porch … this circus show is painful to watch . These guys are beyond incompetent I can’t say it enough
Speaking as a former firefighter, I don't think you realise how incredibly annoying it is when you get in our way like that. We've already got enough on our plate without having to worry about the safety of some kid with a camera.
Well for one I was first on scene... then when the fd did get there I was able to safety film from a distance that did not infer on any actions they took, actually me being there might have saved the house as there weren't sure were the fire was and nobody was looking for it. As for being a random kid running around with a camera, you wish that was the fact but im actually a professional fire photographer who knows exactly what im doing.
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As a career firefighter, this is one of the worst fire departments I’ve ever seen. They did so many things wrong it would take me an hour to name them all. I hope the leadership learned something here and they correct all these mistakes.
Yeah. Should have had recorder boy climb the wall in his vineyard vines
В таком обмундировании только ходить туда-сюда и руками разводить, а пожар сам потушится.....догорит.
Распространение огня, могли бы сами жители этого здания, но видать не хотят пожарных без работы оставить.
I cant agree enough!!!
The owners of that poor house had no chance of saving it with such an inept, untrained, misfit of a fire department. Utter disgrace the lack of motivation! Its embarrassing to watch!
Stunning to watch, the cop was not even excited like it was a hot dog roast
1st due.....that was embarrassing!
The guy filming this did a better walk around assessment than any officers that arrived. The Charlie exposure needed a line but these guys all stood in the driveway, essentially using the equivalent of a garden hose with no pressure. Being an all volunteer department is no excuse. I'm hoping they all didn't go back to the station and pat themselves on the back for what a great job they did.
Lol man I hate to beat on brothers…. And I realize it’s different all over and even different on opposite sides of towns… but my first impression was all that fine shiny equipment and no firefighters. ;) Training and experience is key.
Larry, Moe, Curly, and Shemp. Every video is a disaster after disaster. Fires require precise training, precise roles. These guys were running around like a Chinese fire drill doing absolutely nothing at all. Was isolated in the attic upon arrival. By the time the garden hose went on, it had engulfed half the home. No doubt safety is first priority. Something I never see is if anyone checked the interior for people or animals. Maybe the sheriff did, no clue.
Well but they did see the bushes over the fence needed watered.
So that's something to be proud of.
All that fancy, shinny, expensive apparatus lined up in the street and was a cluster. I feel horrible for the family/home owner and pray no one was hurt. Also hope that they use the experience and video as a learning tool. We can learn something from every incident, even the ones that seem to go by the book.
our initial alarm structure fire assignment aka "general alarm", we get 5 chiefs, 3 engines, 3 medics, 3 trucks and a heavy rescue, talk about cluster lol
know it all.
Someone is a couch firefighter
@@JosephStAmant-vm1cg
Even a couch fire fighter can determine what is a cluster and what is not. This is a cluster! Too many departments worry about having all this pretty equipment. The first arriving unit is a quint! Totally useless! How much water does a quint carry? Not enough! Every one of my department’s 21 stations has an apparatus that carries a minimum of 750 gallons!
The pretty equipment does not extinguish the fire. Even in my community that I live the city has a $1.3 million aerial. Two times in the past year they have had to call on a local volunteer fire department to send their $10,000 used aerial! Why? Because the big bad expensive POS was out of service. By the way, the Chief of the volunteer department, who is a retired REAL firefighter, had to take control of the scene because the alleged professionals turned their scene into a cluster. Thank God this guy can stand his ground. He informed the big bad professionals that either he was going to take over and run the scene correctly or he, his apparatus and personnel were packing up and leaving.
@@poppiarlin5612 Does this quint even carry hi-vol to tag a hydrant? If your first due unit (no matter what) can not tag a hydrant, I just pray there is a truck right behind that can then feed the quint. As soon as I seen the quint pull up and the one FF needing help putting his regulator on, I knew this was going south. It is unfortunate, but yep a couch firefighter can definately determine this was a huge cluster. Maybe there is more to the story on this one, or so I hope anyways
Yikes. First due engine looked like the firefighter circus clowns running around aimlessly
yeah dont look good doing nothing, but they call them selfs firefighters
Okay Bozo, which one are you? Were you there?
@@dhernandez3172 as a firefighter i can you from experience , they suck🖕🖕😝
I would be so embarrassed if that was my department. It looked like new firefighters on their first fire. Training, training, training looks like that is what is needed.
before everybody goes crapping all over Bay Head, please understand that that is one of the most expensive towns on the Jersey Shore to live in, and a base of people that live there year round willing to train, train & train & get dirty with very few fires each year is pretty limited. At least now they have automatic mutual aid from the surrounding towns and FAST (RIT) team dispatch immediately upon discovering they have a working incident. The call volume can't justify paid EMS (there are career paramedics out of the hospitals) let alone paid suppression crews.
@@brandonseyfried1251 bay head dosent even have their own EMS. They get covered from the beach
@@brandonseyfried1251 where I volunteer we have very few fires but we train with hose advancements and how to properly flake a line out so it doesn’t get kinked the way that attack line did. Just because you don’t see a fire every day doesn’t mean you can’t train to know what to do.
I've seen new recruits do a better job than this. This is embarrassing.
@@brandonseyfried1251 so this expensive town doesn’t even have a full time fire department?
This is just ridiculous I'm surprised here the lack of response as this house burns. I have nothing but the utmost respect for first responders but this just hits me hard
I mean...Why was EMS even wasting time, setting up a tent ⛺️ in a shaded area 🤣.
Reminds me of the apartment building I lived in, that burned two years ago, fire departments seemed like they took forever, and they also had low water pressure at the hydrants. By the time they started fighting the fire, the 3rd floor was engulfed in flames
@@bradmagnuson6963 …Well Brad, hydrant pressure has absolutely nothing to do with the FD, that’s the water Dept issue and did you live in a town with a volunteer FD? If you have anything to say about response time, put down your phone and go pick up an application and join. Ok Mary..! With this shit government more and more of us find very little time to do it with inflation being where it’s at. All of us are working 2-3 jobs…got it Dorthy..?
@@heavy7799 All fir departments should be paid. The days of people being available are over. I live in a very wealthy county, unbelievably still volunteer except EMS
@@bradmagnuson6963 Not to speak hate like the other comments but unfortunately new fire dynamics have fire spread to everywhere under minutes. Regardless of whatever type of department, it’s tough to knock down fires in the incipient phase when you’re a civilian. If you notice this video, the fire started to a vent limited fire to fully developed in 3 minutes lol. And an engine would probably barely arrive and start deploying. Just saying.
What a joke, unbelievable how not to make a fire attack . Mind boggling the incompetence of this so called fire department.
One thing I constantly see in these videos is the PASS alarm going off for a VERY extended period of time. We need to understand that when we hear that noise on the fireground, that means someone is in trouble!! Do not be complacent and just let that go off. But that is just one of many things to learn from this incident.
I taught SCBA usage for 19 years at a college fire academy. One of the most important rules I drilled into my students head was not to let the PASS device go into full alert on the fire ground. I told them that this is in a sense crying wolf when there was actually no need to. If firefighters become used to hearing this on the fire ground, they will ignore it when there is an actual emergency! I cannot for the life of me understand why this is not enforced in most of the fire departments I see.
Absolutely, I see it far to often that firefighters just let the PASS go off for way to long. I've ran RIT plenty of times and plenty of those times I've had to remind our crews to shake and not to let them keep going off. God forbid it ever was a true emergency, no one would take it as a real emergency situation. RIT or not, It's EVERYONE's duty to make sure that everyone is safe and accounted for while on the scene. Don't just let PASS to continue going off.
@@robertmahoney5523 That’s why I like the MSA’s. The Scott’s are a much harder to maintain the pass every 30 seconds.
@@jasonwhitlock179 My department had switched from Scott to MSA a while back. I personally like the MSA's better than the Scotts too. Such easy maintenance, a lot more comfortable, and you don't have to dance to stop it from going off.
Absolutely amazing how long it took to charge a line!
And then the line was limp. He just stood there wasting water.
Yeah he only managed to water the garden,
Line needed Viagra :)
Fortunately it was a well constructed older house, that limited the fire spread . If this was a new plastic house these guys would have lost it. Great video!!
Older homes are built with great material. If this was a newer home it would have been gone. Great defense Firefighters. Thanks for your service
This house was built in 1955. It just underwent a major renovation in like 2014. Maybe its that "new plastic" that caused it!
With the use of this video, the homeowner should be able to file a negligence lawsuit against the town and against each fireman on scene. This lovely home was unfortunately in the hands of a bunch of bumbling idiots. The cameraman told crews 5-6 times there was heavy fire in the rear and was ignored. So much taxpayer funded equipment in the street with no sense of urgency. Disgusting
Everyone's reaction is always to sue sue sue. That's nothing short of cowardly.
@ Until it’s your home (assuming you even own one) and you watch all of your belongings go up in smoke because of incompetence. Only then can we see if you stand by your “cowardly” remark.
@@MrScottie68 That's what insurance is for. The whole point of insurance is to cover what you lose. But you jump straight to lawsuit. People today are big and bad behind their lawyers leg and silent face to face, that's the problem.
Nice to watch a fire from its incipient stage to fully developed while the FD is on scene.
Yes but the bushes got watered.
That's something
I wouldn’t use this as an example. This department is a cluster f@ck.
🤣🤣🤣
Omgggg comment of the week. I can't stop laughing. Unreal they did more video taping and watering the bushes rather then fighting the fire quick to save the damn house.
Excellent footage as always. Hopefully bay head reviews this video and addresses glaring basic firefighting issues on simply donning gear and pump operations.
Are you even a firefighter!!!
If you aren't you need to be quiet because you obviously have NO clue about fighting fires!!!
Or procedures!!!
And yes, I'm a firefighter/EMT, and level one trauma tech!!!
@@margief1798 He's correct, you're wrong. Watch the video again the mistakes are glaring.
@@margief1798 going to go out on a limb here and assume your company responded here. This video can be used as a great training tool to improve what went wrong but instead you defend the people who have no business being firefighters.
@@robstick2792An engine company showed up and every single person needed assistance with their SCBA. the pump operator didn’t even notice he was grossly undercharging the hand line. There is other things we can touch on but these are the absolute basics. 0 reason this is the product that you present to your citizens. Mutual aid saved the day here.
@@margief1798 OOOOOOOOH! Really, Marge? This was sad at best. What was that dribbling dick hose line from the outside?
Excellent footage. The firefighters 🚒 need more training, and better water pressure. It almost seemed like they were not listening to what was being said, that the fire was in the back of the house. There should have been more then one firefighter fighting it at the beginning The city needs to check the hydrants to see what the water pressure is at. I hope you have a great day my friend ❤😊.
Thanks, Donna. Bless your heart with your know it all judgement. This wouldn't be the first time someone called you out as a TWAT, right?
Jersey should get more chiefs. There was only like a hundred walking around clutching their mics.
If you read the text of the video there were seven (7) mutual aid companies called in on the second alarm. Each volunteer fire company has its own chief, but the home department still has a chief who is in charge and asks a mutual aid company to do a specific task.
Too many chiefs, not enough Indians
@@williamtimberman2209 actually each company has there own two chiefs or 3.. aha
this is just embarrassing. guys breathing air OUTSIDE the structure away from smoke. flash hoods not on correctly. cant get water to a 1 3/4 line. PASS ALARM GOING OFF THE ENTIRE TIME. just sad.
Vollies.
Looked like a kink in the hose in the driveway about 5:20
Why would they post this cluster fck
I know nothing about firefighting, but to me those first group of guys looked clueless.
They’ve obviously never done this before!🤦🏻♂️
Embarrassing! Comment from a retired firefighter. “Whoa. Atrocious. No command presence at all. Simple size up/ walk around shows it’s a rear bedroom fire extending to attic
Therwould have been damage but that’s ridiculous. Water supply, hose stretching, search all inexcusable. Some old lady coulda been in there.
Volunteers can be good or THIS”
The delay fighting those flames is amazing. We see smoke at the start of the video but they don't start watering until the fire is way out of control.
Definitely a training moment. I hope Bay Head uses this as a re training video for their dept.
Your comment is trite.
@@RLTtizME Just how is my comment trite? I've got 28 years in and that was not a quality operation in my view.
@@Summerguy24 28 years in and you’re still ragging on your brothers and sisters in the service. Every FF thinks they know considerably more than the next. Why is that? You don’t see Physicians doing this. I can’t think of many professions regularly eating their own for all to see. What is wrong with you people. Your comment is trite because it is a perfunctory criticism that appears in the majority of fire videos. Your ego needs a few training moments. Arrogance is not an asset.
@@RLTtizME Buddy, you obviously don't understand constructive criticism, I'm not commenting any further on this. Enjoy your day.
@@Summerguy24 Girl....that is the big justification we see over and over again. Nobody appointed you to dispense "constructive criticism". Nobody asked you to...either. Nobody necessarily thinks you are qualified to dispense criticism. Therein lies the problem ....girl. You actually think you are better than the next FF. You may be... or may not be. (You want us to assume that you are.) You are your own biggest fan.... there are treatments for that. Give it some consideration.
Helpful hint...listen to the radio chatter while responded if your the first apparatus responding, tie into the nearest hydrant first ! Officer didn't evaluate scene and didn't coordinate incoming apparatus either . Close to 6 minutes before water hit the fire after arrival.
Every company I was involved with had a notebook on the dash in front of he Officer seat...notebooks contain a list of all streets and locations of every hydrant.
I don't like when chiefs don't give instructions to the incoming app they were the supply, and other hint they never claimed water on the fire an update of actual fire conditions were the fire was nothing
Taking the sharp kinks out of the hoses works wonders.
Nice stop. As a great instructor once said, "Get fast water on the fire and all your other problems will go away."
I really can't find too much fault in this one. When I saw the line going to the back to "attack the fire", completely ignoring the fact that the fire is inside, and the venting flames are just that, I thought "herer we go again" .Luckily the next group went inside and really knocked it out. Good job guys.
Well that's what I learned during my training in 1989 so I have to agree with you to a point. But recently UL/NIST have conducted a Lot of research during real burn tests. The data say put a Limited amount of water on the fire to "reset" the fire and reduce the thermal stress on interior search/extinguishmen crews, And Possible Victims. In contrast we were taught to Never apply water until primary search was over, and only go defensive if it's fully involved. Turns out "hitting it hard from the yard" in the case of a room fire with a straight stream bounced off the ceiling for 5-10 seconds does Not disturb thermal layering and steam everyone inside, but makes the building more tenable for all.
Disclaimer: I left the FD in 2000 so I have no direct experience in these new techniques .
David RDFPD #30 retired
@David Pacholok you're 100% correct. Old timers still think transitional attacks are no good but they never look at the evidence. This would have been a good job for a transitional because of the lack of man power originally on scene and thier slow pace.
@@davidpacholok8935 That's what we've been doing for at least a couple decades, hit the first fire you see to cool it down and slow its spread, then use the time you just bought yourself to determine what's next. We didn't do that based on NIST research, we did that because we're a rural and mostly volunteer department that often has to control a fire until enough personnel and resources arrive on scene to actually put it out. We're currently trying out a European style hose reel on one of our engines so whoever is driving that engine can put some water on the fire while they're doing their 360, and possibly slow the fire's advance while waiting for other personnel to arrive.
I've never seen something so bad in my 20 plus years in the fire service . I would be ashamed of myself on that subpar performance looked like they just didn't give a shit.Good thing no was trapped whatever happened to making entry and primary search, ventilation and throwing some ground ladders.Shame on who ever is in charge letting his people being that unprepared all you needed was the clowns and dancing bears ...oh sorry they were there with out tools in their hands
So I watched the video and thought as some of you did, that this could have been done a whole lot better. I am comfortable with my thoughts and what I am about to say and I feel so after 20 years as career FF in metro Atlanta. First off "good job" for never quiting the fight. It might have started out bad but you guys kept on fighting and fighting til it started going your way and for that I applaud you all! Second, the structure is still standing and from the looks of it it can be repaired and not torn down, I cannot say that for all the fire I saw in my career and third I wasn't there and trust me, be very careful commenting on fires YOU did not have a part of and throwing other FF's under the bus (arm chair quarterbacking) I learned that within my own department, the hard way. There are 2 types of FF's in these type incidents... Those that have burned a structure to the ground and learned and grew from it and those that are young, haven't seen enough fire yet to witness a true bad fire and burned one to the ground. Hopefully the incident was reviewed and discussed and things were learned by all. Remember you can find something wrong with just about anything.
I thought these guys were awesome!! Watch some of the videos in California.. Not so great.. I thought these guys did great!! They saved the house.. 🤗
I cant help but thinking that your comments are summed up to "The ends justify the means" , Sorry, I disagree - if anyone takes these comments as thrown under the bus and not as a hint to look closer and see what you can do better - then they are the ones with the issue. I ask myself my house , my pets and someone sleeping inside or taking a shower - would I be ok with this response. Sorry - it is what it is. I agree that this should be a learning tool and be thankful no one was inside or hurt but just because we come from the Profession does not mean we can not expect higher from our brothers and sisters.
Thank you Lonnie. Wise words.
As a up & coming firefighter I can appreciate a message like this... 🔥 🚒
Lonnie I couldn't of said it any better you took the words right out of my mouth. Thank you Sir for being one of us
The length of time it took to apply first water was painful. It looked like the engineer was struggling to get sufficient pressure to that first hose.
That’s what old age will do
Pretty sure they could've flaked that hose much better
@@Kilrinstinct1 Age has nothing to do with it. I just lost an uncle at 95 who was still driving the fire truck and operating it at active fires. He was a volunteer fireman for 60 years.
Something was wrong here. Looks like inadequate pressure. But WHY?
@@retroguy9494 the engine was at idle. We can't see what's going on at the panel, the apparatus was mere yards away.
@@robertborchert932 Which begs ANOTHER question. Why didn't the engineer running the truck throttle up to get more pressure?
Holy cow, how glad I am seeing this to live in Germany. Fancy well polished chrome parts on these fire trucks…
The first fire crew looked like they arrived to water the plants.
haha
Lol vollys... same job.
Where I come from the vollys show up and go to work get in get out and go home and the career staff with our mutual aid neighbors have to have some one hold their hand and draw them a picture.They’re to concerned with the life guard sun shades, and looking like hot stuff rather than being a well trained competent Firefighter.
When they do go in they flow huge amounts of water on a room and content fire ,knock windows out that can be opened and tear up someone’s home when it’s not necessary and act like they’re holier than thou.we are one of the few 100% volunteer departments in our area and we take pride in that.We move efficiently without panic and everyone knows what they’re job is.The seasoned guys keep the young pups close and pass their demeanor, and their knowledge down.Not all vollys look like this and they’re are a lot of great career firefighters also but most of which started as a volly.It was said one time by the local city and county fire rescue service in our area that anybody that volunteered with this particular department that I’m speaking of could have a job as a career firefighter anytime.😉 VOLLYS
Great catch … if only they listened to you. The kinked hose at 5:19 was brutal to watch …
that first crew that arrived looked they were in complete disarray… pump operator had no clue what he was doing
And you do we suppose.
@@RLTtizME it’s not my job!
@@tylernordquist1105 Oh..you work at Dollar General and make tactical commentary on these fire vids...is that correct?
@@RLTtizME ask ur girl where i work, she knows it well
@@tylernordquist1105 Call your Mom.
Sorry Bay Head F.D., this was a “C” grade response - far too long to get water on the fire and, an indifferent response to the advise that the fire was big in the rear and should have been a priority. Lots of remedial training required for a full time professional outfit.
Could be so, looks like major issue with water from truck. That firefighter stood there and was ready to go!!!
If I was a resident of this city, I'd be less than thrilled with the response from this fire department. It was almost comical. I think the neighbors could band together and do a better job with their garden hoses than this crew did. It was incredible. A big, shiny fire truck and a hose that couldn't squirt more than fifteen feet while this homeowner's house burns faster and faster.
Retraining needed. Great video
Does Bay Head know what they are doing? Quint was terrible.
Operator that should not have been driving or operating that equipment.
So is your comment.
@Frank 👈Frank sounds like a bitter fireboy with bad self-esteem and a flaming inferiority complex. It will be OK Frankie.
First of all, great job with the video! Narration is not necessary! I have been a volunteer firefighter for over 50 years and when you come into a structure fire and see smoke, the first engine in should drop a line from the plug! In almost all of your video's, I do not remember any engine dropping a line. However, if you did not hit the plug, it should not take longer than about 45 seconds that the pump operator should not have at least one of the pre-connected lines charged and water on the fire! Whenever I pulled up to a scene, whether I hit the plug or not, as a driver, the pumper was put into pump gear, and pull the tank to pump lever and at that time the guys are pulling the pre-connect off the bed. In a matter of seconds, they should have water on the fire and then concentrate on hooking up your main feed line. All I see in all of your video's, is kayos and confusion! Training is needed for all! I hate to comment on these, but this is getting bad!
Agree with you
What a cluster fuck!
That house would have burned to the ground if it weren't for the mutual aid companies that knew what they were doing. I was laughing my ass off during the arrival of the first truck in. There is nothing more stupid looking than a fire fighter standing in front of a raging fire with an uncharged 1 1/2 line. And then when he gets some pressure, the water flows out like a man with prostate cancer. Plus they parked the aerial right under power lines! The Bay Head gang definitely needs to get off their asses and train, train, train instead of watching TV. What an embarrassment.
These are pretty small and highly seasonal - and insanely wealthy - towns, which is why you see a lot of volunteers and mutual aid response from neighboring municipalities like Mantoloking and Point Pleasant.
Wanna hear something TOTALLY insane? This house was built in 1955 for $25K and the original owners sold it in 1976 for like $65K. It sold again in 1996 for like $330K. It sold again in like 2012 for $975K and TODAY its worth like 1.8 million! Talk about insanely wealthy! You can see how the house appreciated as it should in the beginning and then in the '90's took off like a rocket ship!
Unbelievable, the Videographer has to act as the Command Unit and tell the firefighters where the fire is in the rear of the house and in the attic while you have a firefighter standing there with a weak stream of water coming out of his hose looking most pathetic. OMG! Otherwise it's a good video.
Seems like 360s are going the way of the deck gun and the booster reel........
My house burned similar to this, it seemed like they were putting water on it before the truck stopped. Pennsauken NJ volunteers.
They took a long time to put water on it
Honestly I'm surprised these departments even let you on these scenes anymore - every single one of these videos I watch are just showcasing how completely hopeless and incompetent most of them are. I understand they're mostly volunteers but it's literally just fuck up after fuck up. Maybe it's a culture thing in this area? I hope to god they see these videos and realise they need to get their act together.
I can confirm that they have already seen this one and many other and have done seminars or training sessions around these videos to help improve their tactics
I fully support these fire departments in being the best that they can be
@@jerseyshorefireresponse did you notice the garden hose on the Delta side? You could have been more effective with that than the responding firefighters were with their gear.
They're just retired FDNY guys who sit around and drink in the volunteer firehouse all day telling stories about sitting in the FDNY firehouse drinking all day.
Man you are a smart one. Sounds like something is burning. No shit the house is on fire
This is a great video of exactly what not to do when attacking a fully involved structure fire.
Great video! Hope the FD uses it as a teaching tool to get back to basics.
You have always looked your best with the helmet worn backwards.
Career fireman in Dallas and this video definitely has some teachable moments. I hate when guys arm chair qb so here’s to hoping this department can use this as a training video. Stay safe brothers!
True , as a retired NYC firefighter all I can say is train,train,train. In you mind you should be saying this is my house, they all need someone to lite a fire under their butts!
they know there going to a working job why are not PACKED UP when come off the truck
Camera man has more sense than first due crew, jeez. Just standing around, no trouble shooting and moving. Such expensive homes to be poorly protected.
"I've got an idea Chief. We have about 100 guys here -- how about if everyone had brought a five gallon bucket of water with them, could hit the fire really quick?"
This is very simple so pay attention. The first firefighter to arrive does a 360. That person tells the first driver to activate the pump on tank water and then pulls a 1-3/4" line to the rear and soaks the Visible Burning Material. The vast majority of the threat is eliminated within the first minute of arrival. Then they go to the top floor, access the attic to check for extension. If there is some fire, use the least amount of water to extinguish it. There is a lot of editing here, so this took a lot of time.
JB...The Parrot.
A simple fire extinguisher would have knocked things back pronto.
@@kentcarter835 Normally, I'd agree with you, but this time JB has it right. There WAS a lot done wrong here, and to his credit JB kept his comment direct and on target.
They sure don't seem to be in any hurry to help save anything
That scene made that department look bad JS.
ya, spending 30 years in the Baltimore City Fire Department, we would have had this fire knocked in prob 3 minutes. Its an exterior fire 2nd floor deck, side Charlie that worked it's way to the interior. A line right away in the front door and up to the second floor would have got it quickly.
Nobody does an aggressive
Yeah the back of that house really took off, hopefully there were no injuries to anyone related to this incident.
Thank you to all firefighters everywhere for protecting the citizens of your coverage area.
This is the first RUclips video I have seen where the fire brigades managed to save most of the building from total destruction, so I say congratulations to the teams involved. As I am British, I can not tell the American Government how to run their country, but I strongly believe they should introduce new laws about using less combustible material in new-builds and all properties should have sprinkler systems installed.
That is how we are slowly approaching firefighting, most structure fires now are in older houses, this is because in my experience you need to have jerry rigged heaters to heat a old house that doesn’t have it, when those go wrong a wooden house goes up pretty easily, newer houses are being built with fire codes in mind, so we space them apart, only allow certain materials, out of the 20 structure fires I’ve listened to only 2 were newer homes with a kitchen incident
Great coverage. The fire spread quickly. Thanks for filming.
All of these guys are volunteer fire fighters and I agree there are a lot of things that need to be improved on, but remember as a volunteer these guys are usually not paid and also have other jobs and families that they are responsible for. Most volunteer firemen will tell you they lack training because of their other obligations. Somewhere in that department should be a seasoned fire person that needs to step and take charge and make sure all these guys do what is needed in the correct order. If you do not know how to operate the equipment then leave it to someone that can and stand by and watch and learn while they work. To many firefighters are get hurt and killed because they think they can put on turnout gear and are automatically fire proof and God's gift to fire fighting. The idea is you go protect life, property and do it in a safe manner and then go home.
Being a volunteer is not an excuse. Firefighting is not rocket science and the basics are quick and easy to train on. There are plenty of volunteer fire companies who are squared away unfortunately this wasn’t one of them.
Stop using the volunteer excuse. It's not rocket science. Start going to drill and get a clue!
At least train on the basics one night every 3 months. How to pump, hitting a hydrant, pulling a preconnect, and suiting up.
I live in germany our volunteer firefighters get the same training as professional fire brigade. Only in the countryside there is the difference that very small fire brigades do not have compressed air breathing protection.
Agree with you. They come from where they are at. Not a full time firehouse. I still think there was a major issue with the water line from the truck. He was ready for a side/ rear defense attack.
An abundance of noise,chrome, flashing lights, etc, but really nothing that two hose reel jets couldn't handle.
Little boys playing a happy game of "Let's pretend we are firemen". Dutch (especially), Kiwi and Aussie firemen would have had that sucker drowned in short order. Yank firemen one and all should find this most embarrassing. It reminded me of a debacle recorded by Gerald Durrell in pre-WW2 Corfu.
That's right in the Netherlands we have "smart" fire fighters whole listen to each other and delegate hoe to attack the fire, you can look on thuis channel
Sad!!!!!! The first in department needs some serious training! Gladly no one was inside that required rescuing or this would have been a fatal! This company and the display from a few others show the lack of training and understanding of arriving to go to work! Be safe guys!
I just can’t understand what they were doing on the truck if they didn’t know what to do and the apparatus driver was clueless as well. No supply line, insufficient water pressure even if it was tank water, the firefighter wasting water…. I can’t, this is unreal!
Whether paid or volunteer train train train, this shows a lack of training, hopefully they review this and train some more
That first guy with the hose looked like he had NO clue what he was doing. "You got it Ethel!" LOL. He should have followed the camera man's advice and gone to the back!! Footage was amazingly well done. I'm sure it's a huge help to insurance companies. Perhaps could be used in training those who show up first!
I've been spoiled by the Phoenix AZ fire dept. They put every other dept to shame that I've seen here. Phoenix/valley firefighters are professional, highly trained and realize the importance of getting water on the fire as quickly as possible.
Pulling up and running a red line off the side of the truck through the front door getting water on the fire in under a minute goes a long way to slowing down or stopping the fire.
Yay Phoenix FD!
I won't throw them under the bus. Bay Head is a tiny, quaint and affluent town. I wonder if they 've had another fire in the last 20 years. If this occurred on the date it was posted, it was a Monday afternoon; safe bet most of the department was at work. Doesn't seem like the engineer knew how to pump his truck which has to be embarrassing. Great to see the Boro, the Beach and others come help.
Let's remember that these guys are volleys and thank God for them. Be glad they finally got a stop on it before the house was lost. Be safe, Brothers.
All I could think while in watching this is when are they going to put water on it. No hustle, no sense of priority, took forever to charge the line. The poor homeowners!
That was ugly…
Every structure fire is different but response time is important..
What’s more important is coordination when fire and rescue arrive on scene.
When the first truck showed up, that was the most uncoordinated effort I’ve ever seen..
Back in the day we had drills every single day, everyone had a task and everyone from the candidate to lieutenant were backsides and elbows..
Millions of dollars worth of equipment sitting on that street , instead of spending time keeping all of it nice and shiny….. how about running drills , learn precision and coordination..
That was unbelievable and embarrassing to say the least.
Always remember, Tank to Pump Frank!
Was billy 3 tooth the skipper that day.
Man good job brother I hope that house didn't start over a solar panel equipment because out here in California these homes are going up in smoke cuz of those things and the crazy part is the government wants the owners to install a solar panel equipment for free to their homes can you imagine that's playing with fire man you know but anyways man good captain 1 million thumbs up to your channel brother
I learned about the fire on July 9th, when I stopped by to give the owner the original blueprints from when my parents built the house in 1955. The house is a lot fancier now. My parents bought the land for $5,000 and spent $20,000 building a very basic house.
As reported elsewhere, the fire started in the motor for the retractable awning over the deck that is over the porch. The salt air must not have been good for the motor. The porch is original, but the deck on top and circular stairs to get up there was added later. The roof over the front door was also added later.
Looking in a window I saw that the first floor had been gutted of gypsum board. No doubt it was all water damaged.
One good thing. After the owner called in the fire she moved her car out of the car park, so it would not be in the way.
There is actually a web page with pictures of this house being built in 1955. That house cost $20,000 to build, and appreciated $910,000 between sales in 1976 and 2012. The house really isn't anything special, but it's location, location, location.
Interesting to see you here. When you planning on working on the Olds?
@@jsciarri I get around! Looking for a round to-it.
Should have made a push through the front door and pushed it back to the second division Charlie side. Should have pulled a 2.5, not a 1 3.4, or at the very least a 2.5 second. You had hydrant access, one was called out on the corner. Pass devices going off. Showing up not fully dressed. Come on!! These are the basics.
Great vidoe, Thank you for sharing. Im surprised as organized as New Jersey Fire is set up on county level and yet they always have tactical and operational issues.
Spelling check need on "vidoe"
I've watched several of these pre-arrival vids and am still amazed at how these firemen act like they've got all day to start putting water on the houses. All that gear must really be hard to move in. They move like they're knee deep in molasses. I could've put that fire out with a water hose. Yet there they are looking at two kinks in the hose and wondering why the stream isn't reaching the fire.
Try moving with 80lbs extra weight on.
@@hg-sv5yc done it -in fact back when we had steel bottles -and wool lined bunker coats --we still moved faster --its called moving with a purpose
Look at the hair color of most of the members. That should clue you in
Our fire department is 8 miles from our town. 3 5000 gallon water trucks . 1 1927 studbaker.1975 howe. 7 vollunteers.
Unbelievable, I feel sorry for the home owner/ property owner and that fireman waiting for water.
Yea and that house just got a complete renovation in 2014 too!
Good footage Ryan !!
why does it take so long for firefighters in america to get the first jet of water on the fire. here in the Netherlands almost always within 1 to 2 minutes. and the fire trucks are even smaller . but the American fire trucks look nicer I wish all rescuers a nice day
I hope these FFs don't beat you up for posting this. Great videography.
Ridiculous delay in getting water on fire. These should all be fired and city sued
What looked to be a total cluster F@#k in the beginning turned out to be a well executed stop! They knocked it down pretty quickly! Well done Lad's !!
What kind of fire dept is this???
Horrible Waste of Time,these FireFighters desperately need more training.
Perhaps this has already been noted by another, but this looks like a fire that started with a gas grill, parked right up against the house, on the balcony. Best not to use any grill on a wood, or roof deck and by all means keep an eye on it!
Could be someone put a cigarette out in a planter. It happened at my house, someone went outside to smoke and put their cigarette but in my planter pot, I saw the smoke from my window and went to look and the planter was on fire. Potting soil has a lot of compost in it and that’s what started the fire.
Yes looked like a gas grill left on next ti exterior wall
I don't think there was anyone IN the house at the time. So how could a cigarette or gas grill start it? Even if the tank for the grill leaked, it would need a spark to ignite it!
"Fight fire. Build with brick"
My grandfather was the largest mason contractor in the State of Washington. He had a bumper sticker in his office. Even though building with brick does not fight fire, it's pretty funny. In fact, ask any firefighter and they'll tell you that brick veneer can be quite deadly. If the back up wall fails, the brick comes down and at 40 lbs a sq foot, it doesn't make for a good day at the office-if you know what I mean
I know these guys train for these situations but every video I see on this channel it looks like a clusterfuck. I was in the US Navy so believe me I know what a clusterfuck looks like.
Meanwhile someone’s life is going up in smoke
And you wonder why nobody pays attention to pass alarms because everybody just lets them go off
Seems to be the background music at every fire these days, like the sound of the crackling fire and breaking glass.
@@marianneturner7267 it's pretty sad. When I was a volunteer we were yelled at if we just let them continue to go off.
Where was the heavy smoke you reported at the beginning ? Light grey/white pushing from the attic vent ??
Idk man
Excellent Coverage!!!
Good lord man… way too many crew and apparatus on that scene. There’s such a thing as overkill which leads to ineffectiveness (as evidenced here). They also need to review pump operations when pressures fail.
Great video! You had the perfect amount of commentary on this one and the video cuts were awesome showing all the various units. Really enjoyed watching
I am not a firefighter!!!! I am an observer and I see all the glaring issues pop out at the start. Even the videographer was telling them to go the back because that was where the fire started. Then Margie F has to pipe up!!! We are not professionals like you guys, but we do understand the basic need at this fire was water, and it took a long time to get water on that. Maybe fire departments who are reviewed in videos by the professionals should be charged for what they could not put out. An early sign of water here could have stopped the damage that did come from this burn.
In Europe and the UK they'd have grabbed a high pressure hose reel as they jumped off the truck. Water would have been on the fire in 30 seconds tops. The US really do seem to be way behind the curve when it comes to fast initial attack.
Fire brigades.
Is soooooo painful watching ocean county volunteer fire departments !!! They are soooo slow and when they get there there soooo afraid to make an aggressive interior attack !! It’s really sad this fire in a paid city would have been contained to the rear porch . These bayhead firefighters are so incompetent they should be held accountable in court to repay the homeowner for the damages …. I worked in a busy inner city career FD in NJ for 25 years and this fire would have been extinguished in under 5 min and contained to the 2nd floor exterior rear porch … this circus show is painful to watch . These guys are beyond incompetent I can’t say it enough
Slow start and some pump issues there. I thought for sure they were burning the roof off but it looks like they made a good stop on it.
@@mattiverson4654 Lol, calm down dude, he was giving constructive criticism. He’s a lot nicer than I would’ve been.
Aerials all over the place and nobody thought to raise one and get the wet stuff on the hot stuff from above....
Morals of the story: shake siding: bad.... unattended BBQ on the deck: bad...
What does the bbq on the deck have anything to do with this fire?
@@peterb464 it looked like that fire started by an unattended BBQ...
as a firefighter i would be so pissed having this guys commentary while trying to do my job
Well I mean let’s be honest they were unsure of what to do and went attacking the fire.
Speaking as a former firefighter, I don't think you realise how incredibly annoying it is when you get in our way like that. We've already got enough on our plate without having to worry about the safety of some kid with a camera.
Well for one I was first on scene... then when the fd did get there I was able to safety film from a distance that did not infer on any actions they took, actually me being there might have saved the house as there weren't sure were the fire was and nobody was looking for it. As for being a random kid running around with a camera, you wish that was the fact but im actually a professional fire photographer who knows exactly what im doing.
Wasn’t like they were doing anything anyway. Pathetic
Nice work Ryan!