Discovered this channel only 3 days ago and I've binged every vid, some more than once... easily the best concise fm related content on youtube. I like how you don't spoon-feed complete tactics, but rather give in depth descriptions of roles and that in turn gets my inner Pep juices flowing. Keep the quality content coming bro!
Wow, thanks, that really means a lot!! It's funny, because making these videos makes me want to try out a bunch of stuff too haha. Like "I wonder what kind of things I can do with a complete wingback???"
Sir, your videos are terrific and you deserve all the praise you're getting and a hell of a lot more that will come in the future. No gimmicks, view chasing or pre-packed tactics - just clear genuine demonstrations that provide so much to the community. Hats (endless amounts of it seems!) off!
Man that means a lot, thank you for taking the time to write that out. Really glad the videos are helping and have been an addition to the FM community
Another great video, keep'em coming! Short real life story about the role, Pep Guardiola played his final season as a player for Dorados in Mexico. A Mexican coach, Ricardo La Vople used to ask his DM to drop deep and form a defense 3, especially against sides with 2 strikers. Pep later adopted that same tactical approach with Barcelona and Busquets. However he abandoned this idea later on as Busquets's game was too crucial for Barcelona for him to spend time as a CD.
That's a great anecdote, thanks for sharing! Gonna be honest, I never knew he played for Dorados.. every day's a school day! I always love reading about Pep and how much he was influenced by his playing days
Love this story, comes to show that tactical innovations can come from countries not in your typical best football nations! Just a note, La Volpe is actually Argentinian but he has managed probably every team in mexico including the national team lol
Half back in back 3 setup is amazing because you can use the wide center backs to involve more in the buildup if they are good on the ball In my 3-2-4-1 I use double pivots of half back and DLP so that my wide center backs can move forward in possession
Since I'm not trusting wingers for some reason, I like tactics without them. And halfback is my favourite DM role in these, allowing WBs to provide some rudimentary width in the offense. For me halfback fals into the category of central roles that help secure flanks, although it is less direct than carillero or mezzala.
Just wanted to share the love. There are some great videos out there on roles, but nothing quite with this presentation as well as such focus to specifc roles.
I love to use the Half Back when I have really good wingbacks but still want to maintain a rest defense back 3. That way you can send both of your fullbacks on attack without worrying about getting beaten by counters behind them. The caveat as you mention is that you need someone to hold the midfield when he pulls back. I've found success with CMs and DLPs in the middle strata of the tactic. The central HB also works really well with 2 BPDs behind him, because it allows them to pull forward and even overlap wide. They effectively become WCBs when the HB covers them.
Very cool tactical tips with the BPD!! And I think this is where a role like the CM can shine; let's the wingbacks be more adventurous while still providing that support in the midfield.
I have experimenter with a half back and a segundo volante. The wingback pushes up so HB takes his space. And on the other side the IWB goes to the center. So you have a nice 442 defensive shape with a really attacking offense. On the side of the IWB is a Winger in the CM line to provide an outlet on the wings and on the WB side you have an IF so the WB overlaps. That leaves you free to do interesting striker combinations
4-4-2 with good CWB and CF are quite busted. But the negative part is you'll be in trouble if the opponents won the midfield battle, which is much easier than on the wing-lane.
Just to say, really enjoying this content! The way you break down each role is perfect and the overall style/aesthetic you have going on is really nice.
This is incredible. Great job. I have said for years that the games don't do anywhere near enough to provide you with information about what roles and instructions actually do.
Thank you!! Even with these videos sometimes it can be tricky differentiating between "this is what the role does and applies to everyone who uses it" versus "the role doesn't do this, it was just the player's traits/attributes/randomness/etc..)" that I happened to witness.
I absolutely love your content man!! Keep it going :D Also while explaining how the offset half back interacts with inverted wingback on attack, you've accidentally highlighted the left center back as the inverted wing back.. Maybe edit it out.. But great work mate.. I love the half back and always use it in my formation :D
You know what's funny, is that I was watching the edit yesterday and as that play happened I was like "wait was that the center back?".... only I did nothing and then forgot about it and here we are hahaha But thanks for bringing it up! Gonna see if I can do a stealth edit on it or something
I absolutely adore this role. I love using them with IWBs since are basically two more midfielders which can be used to create the "box midfield" without having to sacrifice defensive shape when off-the-ball.
That freeze frame from in this one where we have the back 3 with the two IWB in the midfield looks so good haha (edit: we turned it over in that one, but looked good doing it at least)
I play Zaire-Emery as a DLP-S in the DM strata. He is amazing at it, but when I am trying to see out a game I swap him to a HB-D, it really helps me see out the game but he still has the attributes to play like the FDJ role in your video.
Another amazing example of why your content is so good. I will try to create something using a complete wing back on the left, and a wing back on the right. With the Half Back in the middle and a deep lying playmaker in the LCM Position.
I also like how the half back moves in those transitional phases; the centerbacks drop back, but the HB moves up to pressure the ball. Helps stop in momentum the opponent can get on a counter
I'm on vacation right now and your videos give me my fix. I'm definitely trying out the playmaking variety as soon as I get home because I have the perfect player for that in my current save. Like always, a terrifically well made Video. Keep it up!! 💪🏽
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I tested it out for a couple days now and I like it very much. He kinda moves like Kroos did during the Euros. I paired him up with an Anchor in a 4-4-1-1 2DM and it's working great! I had a great talent from my youth teams replace my DLP. His Balance wasn't great tho but he had insane stats for a HB, so your suggestion helped me integrate him into my squad, giving him the opportunity to become a local Hero for the club.
Another banger! Love the look at a playmaking half back, especially. A great way to get an elite passer into space and hurt the opposition in unexpected ways!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker it makes a lot of sense. A DM will often be facing his own goal during initial build-up, but having them drop into the defensive line allows them to face forward!!
Are they playing higher up the pitch? I toyed with an idea of playing a Halfback in front of a Libero, for example, but decided it was unnecessarily complicated. Are you using two WCBs? That could be interesting. Still, I need to get rid of Zaniolo and my other elite wingers before I can add halfback to my tactics.
@@anders4442 My back line is WCB BPD WCB and his pivot partner is a SV. In possession he sits back and sprays passes and recycles like a DLP Def without being a ball magnet. If the ball carrier gets to the byline he will drift to the top of the box, but generally he just sits back in the DM. In defense he closes down like a BWM. To get this play type of play you need a BWM with good passing stats or a DLP with good defensive stats.
Great video as usual mate :) the halfback was the key role in my FC Augsburg triple season because he is such a defensive monster. Not just in terms of posession won and successfull tackles but mosty because u become boarderline impossible to press and can always maintain posession. So u are basicly defending by never let the opponent touch the ball and if he does, the Halfback is a great tool for counterpress. Bit like Toni Kroos at Real Madrid. If u instruct ur BPD´s to stay wider and dribble more they gonna act a bit more like wide centerbacks. the only "negative" thing to consider is, as u pointed out, the missing link in the CM for ur build up play so ideally the players in the central midfield (BBM´s, APM etc) have the player trait "drops deep to get the ball" For the algorythm^^
Would it be possible to make a video on the best player traits for each position? Also love your content it’s given me more information about roles in tactics than every before thanks 😊
I've been working on some stuff to show what player traits actually do! A deep dive on how they work, how the change your player, stuff like that. I wouldn't expect it soon, but hopefully in the (somewhat) near future. Thanks for the suggestion!
An extermly underrated role that makes a huge difference in how your team plays, i would like to make a suggestion (Attacking Midfielder) in the central attacking midfield area.
Awesome suggestion! What do you like to use for the winger roles? Inside Forward, Inverted Wingers, etc... And what about the striker? Advanced Forward?
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker to be honest i gave up using wingers, after all these years of playing the game i never understood how to make the wingers affective, inside forwards never get into scoring chances, inverted wingers never create chances or even dribble past anyone, even when i manage a team like tottenham i try to use Son as an Inside forward, still doesnt get in scoring positions, i have been playing for years and have tried so many tactics but i never understood how to use wingers as primary scorers or creators.. Strikers i use poachers more often because of your videos:), advanced forward and complete forward and pressing forward, i try to stay away from the other striker roles because it gets tricky to understand how they move with other roles that play around them.
^THIS! I adjust roles in the offense to fit the players, even when I make a substitution. Weirdly there was a season when the attacking quartet of 2 AFs and 2 AMs (su + at) yielded the best results. Sometimes simplicity works best. But that was after I was able to scout and develop (as much as the league allowed anyway) 6-7 young attacking talents. Funnily enough my by far highest transfers in that save were CB and GK.
Excellent Video 🔝🔝🔝 I have a recommendation about two legendary managers or let's say legendary tactics if you can explain more about them , Valeriy Lobanovskyi with Dynamo Kyiv 🇺🇦 and Otto Rehhagel tactic with Greece 🇬🇷, anyway it's just a suggestion coz I believe you have the ability to make things looks very simple and very easy to understand too .. thanks a lot and keep the good up 👏🏾👏🏾
Now that's a video suggestion!! I can't say I'm familiar with them, but as my friend says, "everyday's a school day". Need to research them and see what's out there. Any good recommendations for starting points?
Thank you for making video about half back, I have been using it lately and need a depth description about this role. Im using it when using 433 againts team with 2 forward so when they counter the 2 forward have to face 3 CB. or when im using 31411 with 1CB 2WCB and no WB because my team lack depth in WB position
You're welcome! That's one of the tough things about FM; when you have a tactic idea or maybe a formation to try out and you just don't have the players/depth.
This channel has been so good to watch. Watched almost every video. Would you do a video on the Raumdeuter / Thomas Muller role? Keep up the really good content!
It's impressive how quickly you make these without losing any quality. I know the sweeper keeper role is quite self explanatory but is it a video you think you'd make? I never know if I should put them on support or attack. Maybe a comparison of the merits of traditional vs sweeper? As ever, loving what you're doing 👍
Definitely, I've started a couple of early ideas on the sweeper keeper. It won't be any time soon(ish), but don't be surprised if it pops up in the future
Depends on how high your lines is. for example: in high press and standard defensive line system, a SK on support is suffice; while in high press and higher/much higher defensive line system, a SK on attack might perform better. as for comparison of the merits of traditional vs sweeper, looks no further than David de Gea vs Ederson comparison.
@@Brazio20Thanks for the tip. I tend to play with a higher line but since I'm not as wedded to playing out from the back as most real life managers I might just stick with the sweeper on support
Superb video, I love the comparisons between similar player roles in the same position. On the scale showing the Halfback in between the Anchor and BWM (3:10), where would the DM role fit in? Would he be more or less aggressive at closing down than the halfback?
I would probably consider the DM straight in the middle, but it's also the role probably the most influenced by player attributes since it's a more "generic" role. For example, a player with an aggression of 20 would behave differently in how they tackle than one with aggression of 7
So as the example of Frenkie shows that player traits have more effect then instructions. Since HB has hard coded dribble less? One of frenkies key strenghts was to dribble out of situations beeing pressed and creating a lot of space and momentum dribbling passed his opponent pressuring him and progressing forward. I think that was one of the key aspects of his role and why barca bought him.
My interpretation is that the player will still exhibit their player traits in a role telling them not to, they just won't do it as much. So de Jong will still dribble (like we saw in the video), but he wouldn't do it as much as if he was in a role telling him to dribble more. Hope that makes sense!
I think more than the anchor this is the one player role I positively will never use 😭😭 As nice as the defensive coverage is, the best he can contribute offensively being a hockey assist is too much of a caveat personally, but great video as always nonetheless!
An issue with HB is that the player often drops too deep, giving up the DM area when defending, which could be problematic when HB is the only DM role in the formation. Sometimes its better to have another DM holding the area, especially when againsting strong IFs.
Very very true; You could see it in some of the highlights in these clips. That's why I liked the two inverted wingbacks holding that midfield area shown in the offset example
Really need help with my 433 tactic it helps me win games however it’s very leaky in defence. Currently using a 433 2 full backs as attacking wing backs 2 centre backs one as a ball playing defender and a central defender. 1 defensive midfielder support a box to box midfielder and mezzala on attack. 2 inverted wingers support and either a pressing or advanced forward.
Hmm; my guess would be it's the two wingbacks on attack combined with your defensive midfielder on support. I think because you only have two players on the defend duty (your central defenders), along with two wingbacks attacking, you're probably being hit on the counter a lot. It's an easy fix; I would switch one of the wingbacks to support (or even a fullback on support if it still doesn't help), and then change the DM to defend. Should give your team a better defensive structure. Thanks for the question and hope that helps!
thanks! Been working on something for the counter attack! I wouldn't expect it here in the immediate future, but I think it'll show up at some point :)
I believe they will try to avoid each other whe n switching if they can, and it's better if they're on opposite sides of each other. If you're feeling especially ambitious, I was messing around and you can use a half back with two liberos and get some really.... interesting poistional play!
@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker oh that would be a big shape-shifting tactic! Would make sense together with two IFBs, if you have a short hb and two very defensive fb. I just got a libero wonderkid with 12 finish and 13 long shots at 18, I will try this out when he grows up
Do you think that pace will help a halfback a lot by essentially allowing them to quickly transition between in and out of possesion position, mitigating structural problems that may come during that period
I would say it couldn't hurt, that's for sure! But if you have a slow Half Back, strong mental attributes can make up for that (anticipation, decisions, etc..)
I may do some type of video for role combos and formations, but probably not like an official "this role/combo is better than that one" type tier list On the other hand, I'll probably delve into some more complex tactical stuff as we continue on with the channel. And thanks for the suggestions!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker that would be dope, your videos are great inspiration, not sure if there is any content creator that made me understand tactics like this
@@ilijaanastasijevic7507 love that the videos are helping! Out of curiosity, what kind of tactic stuff are you interested in? More formational stuff, opposition instructions, player roles, etc... I'm always looking for video ideas!
So I've got a guy playing as a half back. I'm trying to implement the changes you've shown to make him a playmaker half back like you've done with de Jong. Shoot less often and shorter passing are already selected for the role so no need to select them specifically again. Problem is that "takes more risks" is unavailable for the role and it can't be changed. I'm confused as to how you're doing this.
Hmm.. that's a new one! Out of curiosity, what kind of tactical instructions are you using? I wonder if it's some kind of combination instructions that's doing it. And is this a personalized role instruction for that player specifically? (for example: your tactic normally has an Anchor in that position, but when the player you mentioned is playing there, it's the Half Back role)
@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker shorter passing, tiki taka, high press, high possession. Didn't think team tactics would affect individual player instructions but now you mention it I'll do some experimenting (when I wake up. It's 3am here) and see what happens
@@yoogeo1 No worries! I don't think they do either, but you never know! I've had issues where my player was accidentally on another role because of a personalized instruction or there was something with a conflicting instruction. Sometimes it's tough to figure out what it is exactly 😂
I think the idea is that even if the player has that player trait, they may not be great at dribbling out of trouble. So if a half back is playing their way out of trouble, and they have a poor dribbling attribute, then they could turn the ball over in a dangerous area of the field. Plus, the de Jong example not withstanding, you want your half back to make simple passes to move the ball, not to be dribbling with it. It's only my point of view but hope that helps!
Does Half back works well with two wide centre back ? Would the system get him moving to the centre of both of the wide center back? Would he just fill up the right or left back slot only ? 😊
With this movement back to the back line; it’s more important to have two IWB to slot in the midfield to add stability and the actual midfield (volante) would then overload the attack?
In a back-3 system, the HB will be more like a defensivie midfield all the time, rather than dropping deep to take the play of the centerback. So think of it like a tame version of the segundo volante (in a back-3)
You don't necessarily need 2 IWB but the IWB makes sure you have coverage in that midfield area without necessarily needing to use one of your midfielders. I would start out with one IWB and see how you like it. You can always adjust your midfield roles too if you don't like using the IWB
how would it be applied on a 4-man back line. Basically replacing the anchor with hb; pairing it with the volante. Would double IWB with one on support and one on attack balance out the lost of midfield numbers
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker to be fair its the 23 version. I dont know about the 24 version. I hope in the new 25 version all the player roles and player instructions are available
Discovered this channel only 3 days ago and I've binged every vid, some more than once... easily the best concise fm related content on youtube.
I like how you don't spoon-feed complete tactics, but rather give in depth descriptions of roles and that in turn gets my inner Pep juices flowing. Keep the quality content coming bro!
Same here tbh... been playing this game for a good few years now and I have learned so much from this channel in a short space of time
Wow, thanks, that really means a lot!! It's funny, because making these videos makes me want to try out a bunch of stuff too haha. Like "I wonder what kind of things I can do with a complete wingback???"
Really means a lot, thank you!
Welcome to the club boys!
Toni Kroos played a lot like this last season, usually setting up to the left of the cbs
His positioning was that of a halfback but playing style was of deep lying playmaker
Now I need to go back and double check his play again!
I was thinking about Toni too😂
He represents this half back playmaker role really well
In FM24 it's probably like Wing-Back support role.
Sir, your videos are terrific and you deserve all the praise you're getting and a hell of a lot more that will come in the future. No gimmicks, view chasing or pre-packed tactics - just clear genuine demonstrations that provide so much to the community. Hats (endless amounts of it seems!) off!
Man that means a lot, thank you for taking the time to write that out. Really glad the videos are helping and have been an addition to the FM community
Another great video, keep'em coming! Short real life story about the role, Pep Guardiola played his final season as a player for Dorados in Mexico. A Mexican coach, Ricardo La Vople used to ask his DM to drop deep and form a defense 3, especially against sides with 2 strikers. Pep later adopted that same tactical approach with Barcelona and Busquets. However he abandoned this idea later on as Busquets's game was too crucial for Barcelona for him to spend time as a CD.
That's a great anecdote, thanks for sharing! Gonna be honest, I never knew he played for Dorados.. every day's a school day! I always love reading about Pep and how much he was influenced by his playing days
Love this story, comes to show that tactical innovations can come from countries not in your typical best football nations! Just a note, La Volpe is actually Argentinian but he has managed probably every team in mexico including the national team lol
I've just recently fallen in love with that role 😏 3 at the back shape without playing 3 CBs is so satisfying and gives a lot of freedom in front
The movement of the half back is so aesthetically pleasing in those transitional phases
Half back in back 3 setup is amazing because you can use the wide center backs to involve more in the buildup if they are good on the ball
In my 3-2-4-1 I use double pivots of half back and DLP so that my wide center backs can move forward in possession
Sounds so cool bro! WCB on what duty? Support?
@@siiuuu9285 both WCB on support. It's an adaptation of Pep style 3-2-4-1
@@siiuuu9285 both WCB on support
Sounds like a great setup!! Great DM pair with that one
Since I'm not trusting wingers for some reason, I like tactics without them. And halfback is my favourite DM role in these, allowing WBs to provide some rudimentary width in the offense. For me halfback fals into the category of central roles that help secure flanks, although it is less direct than carillero or mezzala.
Just wanted to share the love. There are some great videos out there on roles, but nothing quite with this presentation as well as such focus to specifc roles.
thank you my friend!! Happy the videos have been helpful 🙏
I love to use the Half Back when I have really good wingbacks but still want to maintain a rest defense back 3. That way you can send both of your fullbacks on attack without worrying about getting beaten by counters behind them. The caveat as you mention is that you need someone to hold the midfield when he pulls back. I've found success with CMs and DLPs in the middle strata of the tactic.
The central HB also works really well with 2 BPDs behind him, because it allows them to pull forward and even overlap wide. They effectively become WCBs when the HB covers them.
Very cool tactical tips with the BPD!! And I think this is where a role like the CM can shine; let's the wingbacks be more adventurous while still providing that support in the midfield.
I have experimenter with a half back and a segundo volante. The wingback pushes up so HB takes his space. And on the other side the IWB goes to the center. So you have a nice 442 defensive shape with a really attacking offense. On the side of the IWB is a Winger in the CM line to provide an outlet on the wings and on the WB side you have an IF so the WB overlaps. That leaves you free to do interesting striker combinations
Oooo I'm gonna need to try that haha. Thanks for the tip!!
4-4-2 with good CWB and CF are quite busted.
But the negative part is you'll be in trouble if the opponents won the midfield battle, which is much easier than on the wing-lane.
Just to say, really enjoying this content!
The way you break down each role is perfect and the overall style/aesthetic you have going on is really nice.
Much appreciated! thank you!
You really are putting the FM content creators community on notice. Top quality stuff.
thank you!! glad you enjoyed the video!
This was very informative and I really enjoyed the format, just a joy to watch.
So glad!
This is incredible. Great job. I have said for years that the games don't do anywhere near enough to provide you with information about what roles and instructions actually do.
Thank you!! Even with these videos sometimes it can be tricky differentiating between "this is what the role does and applies to everyone who uses it" versus "the role doesn't do this, it was just the player's traits/attributes/randomness/etc..)" that I happened to witness.
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker you do an amazing job. I could watch these videos all day 😁
I absolutely love your content man!! Keep it going :D
Also while explaining how the offset half back interacts with inverted wingback on attack, you've accidentally highlighted the left center back as the inverted wing back.. Maybe edit it out..
But great work mate.. I love the half back and always use it in my formation :D
You know what's funny, is that I was watching the edit yesterday and as that play happened I was like "wait was that the center back?".... only I did nothing and then forgot about it and here we are hahaha
But thanks for bringing it up! Gonna see if I can do a stealth edit on it or something
I'm impressed by the the amount of work you put into those videos to make them so accessible. I'm also impressed by your collection of caps :)
Honestly I just make these videos to show off my different hats haha
Thanks again for an Amazing role break down. The quick uploads are very much appreciated 👍🏻 always looking forward to them 😊
always appreciate the support!
I absolutely adore this role. I love using them with IWBs since are basically two more midfielders which can be used to create the "box midfield" without having to sacrifice defensive shape when off-the-ball.
That freeze frame from in this one where we have the back 3 with the two IWB in the midfield looks so good haha (edit: we turned it over in that one, but looked good doing it at least)
I play Zaire-Emery as a DLP-S in the DM strata. He is amazing at it, but when I am trying to see out a game I swap him to a HB-D, it really helps me see out the game but he still has the attributes to play like the FDJ role in your video.
I love doing that; once you're seeing the game out, the half back does wonder for stopping counters and allowing you to hold the ball
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Yeah, I find he just sures up the defence and allows me to block basically any attack
I play this role on sundays depending on my team's quality. It's a pivotal role when you dont trust your defense!
I like the thought of your squad looking at the match team sheet, seeing a half back, and going "he doesn't trust us" haha
Another amazing example of why your content is so good. I will try to create something using a complete wing back on the left, and a wing back on the right. With the Half Back in the middle and a deep lying playmaker in the LCM Position.
The Half Back gives you a lot of freedom to expirement with those wingbacks, and a CWB is as good a place as any to start!
Thank you Mr TDLP! We all enjoy the hard effort you put into these videos. Keep up the great work !! I always learn something new from your PR videos!
Absolutely!! Always appreciate your support with these videos!
HBs are great when in a back 4 against 2 strikers. A 3v2 in buildup and 3v2 in defensive transition. You cancel out a lot of the advantage
I also like how the half back moves in those transitional phases; the centerbacks drop back, but the HB moves up to pressure the ball. Helps stop in momentum the opponent can get on a counter
Hello !! Please do an attacking midfielder role guide!! Fully enjoying your great work
The AM!! A great suggestion; I may have forgotten about that one! I'll see if I can get something working on that for a future video; thank you!
I'm on vacation right now and your videos give me my fix. I'm definitely trying out the playmaking variety as soon as I get home because I have the perfect player for that in my current save. Like always, a terrifically well made Video. Keep it up!! 💪🏽
Thank you!! Check back in when you get back, I want to know how your playmaking HB gets on!!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I tested it out for a couple days now and I like it very much. He kinda moves like Kroos did during the Euros. I paired him up with an Anchor in a 4-4-1-1 2DM and it's working great! I had a great talent from my youth teams replace my DLP. His Balance wasn't great tho but he had insane stats for a HB, so your suggestion helped me integrate him into my squad, giving him the opportunity to become a local Hero for the club.
Another banger! Love the look at a playmaking half back, especially. A great way to get an elite passer into space and hurt the opposition in unexpected ways!
thank you my friend!! It feels a little... wrong to put someone like de Jong as a center back if I'm honest haha but it works
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker it makes a lot of sense. A DM will often be facing his own goal during initial build-up, but having them drop into the defensive line allows them to face forward!!
Finally!! My favorite FM position. In a 3-4-3 he acts like a hybrid DLP/BWM. Fabinho, Varela, and Edson Alvarez all work very well in this position.
When I make the video "Half Back: The Sequel" I want to talk about how they do in a back-3 formation
Are they playing higher up the pitch? I toyed with an idea of playing a Halfback in front of a Libero, for example, but decided it was unnecessarily complicated. Are you using two WCBs? That could be interesting.
Still, I need to get rid of Zaniolo and my other elite wingers before I can add halfback to my tactics.
@@anders4442 My back line is WCB BPD WCB and his pivot partner is a SV. In possession he sits back and sprays passes and recycles like a DLP Def without being a ball magnet. If the ball carrier gets to the byline he will drift to the top of the box, but generally he just sits back in the DM. In defense he closes down like a BWM. To get this play type of play you need a BWM with good passing stats or a DLP with good defensive stats.
thank you good sir, that was an awesome video well worth the wait! :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video as usual mate :)
the halfback was the key role in my FC Augsburg triple season because he is such a defensive monster. Not just in terms of posession won and successfull tackles but mosty because u become boarderline impossible to press and can always maintain posession. So u are basicly defending by never let the opponent touch the ball and if he does, the Halfback is a great tool for counterpress. Bit like Toni Kroos at Real Madrid.
If u instruct ur BPD´s to stay wider and dribble more they gonna act a bit more like wide centerbacks. the only "negative" thing to consider is, as u pointed out, the missing link in the CM for ur build up play so ideally the players in the central midfield (BBM´s, APM etc) have the player trait "drops deep to get the ball"
For the algorythm^^
That's a well written reply, love the breakdown!!
How do you like using the BPD's compared with the plain ol Central Defender (with stay wider)?
That role changed everything for my ŁKS, leading ultimately to Champions League ;).
Would it be possible to make a video on the best player traits for each position? Also love your content it’s given me more information about roles in tactics than every before thanks 😊
I've been working on some stuff to show what player traits actually do! A deep dive on how they work, how the change your player, stuff like that. I wouldn't expect it soon, but hopefully in the (somewhat) near future. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I’ll be ready to give it a watch for sure!! Keep up the good work my dude
Another brilliant video! Keep it up man 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks a ton!!
An extermly underrated role that makes a huge difference in how your team plays, i would like to make a suggestion (Attacking Midfielder) in the central attacking midfield area.
Awesome suggestion! What do you like to use for the winger roles? Inside Forward, Inverted Wingers, etc... And what about the striker? Advanced Forward?
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker to be honest i gave up using wingers, after all these years of playing the game i never understood how to make the wingers affective, inside forwards never get into scoring chances, inverted wingers never create chances or even dribble past anyone, even when i manage a team like tottenham i try to use Son as an Inside forward, still doesnt get in scoring positions, i have been playing for years and have tried so many tactics but i never understood how to use wingers as primary scorers or creators..
Strikers i use poachers more often because of your videos:), advanced forward and complete forward and pressing forward, i try to stay away from the other striker roles because it gets tricky to understand how they move with other roles that play around them.
^THIS!
I adjust roles in the offense to fit the players, even when I make a substitution. Weirdly there was a season when the attacking quartet of 2 AFs and 2 AMs (su + at) yielded the best results. Sometimes simplicity works best. But that was after I was able to scout and develop (as much as the league allowed anyway) 6-7 young attacking talents. Funnily enough my by far highest transfers in that save were CB and GK.
Excellent Video 🔝🔝🔝
I have a recommendation about two legendary managers or let's say legendary tactics if you can explain more about them , Valeriy Lobanovskyi with Dynamo Kyiv 🇺🇦 and Otto Rehhagel tactic with Greece 🇬🇷, anyway it's just a suggestion coz I believe you have the ability to make things looks very simple and very easy to understand too .. thanks a lot and keep the good up 👏🏾👏🏾
Now that's a video suggestion!! I can't say I'm familiar with them, but as my friend says, "everyday's a school day". Need to research them and see what's out there. Any good recommendations for starting points?
Thank you for making video about half back, I have been using it lately and need a depth description about this role.
Im using it when using 433 againts team with 2 forward so when they counter the 2 forward have to face 3 CB. or when im using 31411 with 1CB 2WCB and no WB because my team lack depth in WB position
You're welcome! That's one of the tough things about FM; when you have a tactic idea or maybe a formation to try out and you just don't have the players/depth.
This channel has been so good to watch. Watched almost every video. Would you do a video on the Raumdeuter / Thomas Muller role?
Keep up the really good content!
I'll do the Ram role at some point; I don't have it on the immediate schedule, but in the future it'll pop up!
It's impressive how quickly you make these without losing any quality. I know the sweeper keeper role is quite self explanatory but is it a video you think you'd make? I never know if I should put them on support or attack. Maybe a comparison of the merits of traditional vs sweeper? As ever, loving what you're doing 👍
Definitely, I've started a couple of early ideas on the sweeper keeper. It won't be any time soon(ish), but don't be surprised if it pops up in the future
With the quality of these videos it'll be well worth the wait 👍
Depends on how high your lines is. for example: in high press and standard defensive line system, a SK on support is suffice; while in high press and higher/much higher defensive line system, a SK on attack might perform better.
as for comparison of the merits of traditional vs sweeper, looks no further than David de Gea vs Ederson comparison.
@@Brazio20Thanks for the tip. I tend to play with a higher line but since I'm not as wedded to playing out from the back as most real life managers I might just stick with the sweeper on support
Would be great if you make tier list of roles, would be great to hear your opinion.
I've been thinking about doing some kind of role tier for certain styles (so counter attacking try these roles, for possession, these ones, etc...)
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker great idea!
fantastic content this oh my word already commented giving my praise before i love it that much im back here again
You're welcome to comment as much as you'd like!
Superb video, I love the comparisons between similar player roles in the same position.
On the scale showing the Halfback in between the Anchor and BWM (3:10), where would the DM role fit in? Would he be more or less aggressive at closing down than the halfback?
I would probably consider the DM straight in the middle, but it's also the role probably the most influenced by player attributes since it's a more "generic" role. For example, a player with an aggression of 20 would behave differently in how they tackle than one with aggression of 7
It’s a good Monday when The DLP releases a new video 😁
new week, new video!!
So as the example of Frenkie shows that player traits have more effect then instructions. Since HB has hard coded dribble less? One of frenkies key strenghts was to dribble out of situations beeing pressed and creating a lot of space and momentum dribbling passed his opponent pressuring him and progressing forward. I think that was one of the key aspects of his role and why barca bought him.
My interpretation is that the player will still exhibit their player traits in a role telling them not to, they just won't do it as much. So de Jong will still dribble (like we saw in the video), but he wouldn't do it as much as if he was in a role telling him to dribble more. Hope that makes sense!
Idk if you take requests, but if you do I would like to request the CWB! Either way I love the vids dude keep it up!
The CWB isn't in the right immediate future, but it is on the way!
I think more than the anchor this is the one player role I positively will never use 😭😭
As nice as the defensive coverage is, the best he can contribute offensively being a hockey assist is too much of a caveat personally, but great video as always nonetheless!
I thought the phrase hockey assist was nicer then saying "doesn't do much in attack" lol
I like half back. but that position is reserved for DLP D for me
You won't hear any complaints from me about using the DLP haha
Will you also make a video explaining how to make a tactic that fits a certain team best?
I'm planning to make a more videos going over some different tactical ideas!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Something to look forward to !
An issue with HB is that the player often drops too deep, giving up the DM area when defending, which could be problematic when HB is the only DM role in the formation. Sometimes its better to have another DM holding the area, especially when againsting strong IFs.
Very very true; You could see it in some of the highlights in these clips. That's why I liked the two inverted wingbacks holding that midfield area shown in the offset example
love it
Thanks!!
Really need help with my 433 tactic it helps me win games however it’s very leaky in defence. Currently using a 433 2 full backs as attacking wing backs 2 centre backs one as a ball playing defender and a central defender. 1 defensive midfielder support a box to box midfielder and mezzala on attack. 2 inverted wingers support and either a pressing or advanced forward.
Hmm; my guess would be it's the two wingbacks on attack combined with your defensive midfielder on support. I think because you only have two players on the defend duty (your central defenders), along with two wingbacks attacking, you're probably being hit on the counter a lot.
It's an easy fix; I would switch one of the wingbacks to support (or even a fullback on support if it still doesn't help), and then change the DM to defend. Should give your team a better defensive structure. Thanks for the question and hope that helps!
Halfback: stop crosses/ball
Anchor: stop players/dribblers
Hi , can you do a video about counter attacking football/tactic? , love your videos Bro!
thanks! Been working on something for the counter attack! I wouldn't expect it here in the immediate future, but I think it'll show up at some point :)
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Thank Bro , really appreciate!!
Thank you sir 👍🏻🔝
No problem 👍
great video!
thank you!!
Another FM University lesson. I do not use much the hb, do you need to offset him to work together with a libero on defence?
I believe they will try to avoid each other whe n switching if they can, and it's better if they're on opposite sides of each other.
If you're feeling especially ambitious, I was messing around and you can use a half back with two liberos and get some really.... interesting poistional play!
@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker oh that would be a big shape-shifting tactic! Would make sense together with two IFBs, if you have a short hb and two very defensive fb. I just got a libero wonderkid with 12 finish and 13 long shots at 18, I will try this out when he grows up
Do you think that pace will help a halfback a lot by essentially allowing them to quickly transition between in and out of possesion position, mitigating structural problems that may come during that period
I would say it couldn't hurt, that's for sure! But if you have a slow Half Back, strong mental attributes can make up for that (anticipation, decisions, etc..)
been waiting for this one. One of my favorite roles
Thanks man❤
You're welcome 😊
Do u plan making something like tier list of role combinations or how to make more complex tactics?
I may do some type of video for role combos and formations, but probably not like an official "this role/combo is better than that one" type tier list
On the other hand, I'll probably delve into some more complex tactical stuff as we continue on with the channel. And thanks for the suggestions!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker that would be dope, your videos are great inspiration, not sure if there is any content creator that made me understand tactics like this
@@ilijaanastasijevic7507 love that the videos are helping! Out of curiosity, what kind of tactic stuff are you interested in? More formational stuff, opposition instructions, player roles, etc... I'm always looking for video ideas!
A very interesting role in FM 😂
Interesting indeed! The movement is really unique for a defensive midfielder
So I've got a guy playing as a half back. I'm trying to implement the changes you've shown to make him a playmaker half back like you've done with de Jong. Shoot less often and shorter passing are already selected for the role so no need to select them specifically again. Problem is that "takes more risks" is unavailable for the role and it can't be changed. I'm confused as to how you're doing this.
Hmm.. that's a new one! Out of curiosity, what kind of tactical instructions are you using? I wonder if it's some kind of combination instructions that's doing it. And is this a personalized role instruction for that player specifically? (for example: your tactic normally has an Anchor in that position, but when the player you mentioned is playing there, it's the Half Back role)
@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker shorter passing, tiki taka, high press, high possession. Didn't think team tactics would affect individual player instructions but now you mention it I'll do some experimenting (when I wake up. It's 3am here) and see what happens
@@yoogeo1 No worries! I don't think they do either, but you never know! I've had issues where my player was accidentally on another role because of a personalized instruction or there was something with a conflicting instruction. Sometimes it's tough to figure out what it is exactly 😂
why would plays way out of trouble ever be a bad trait?
I think the idea is that even if the player has that player trait, they may not be great at dribbling out of trouble. So if a half back is playing their way out of trouble, and they have a poor dribbling attribute, then they could turn the ball over in a dangerous area of the field. Plus, the de Jong example not withstanding, you want your half back to make simple passes to move the ball, not to be dribbling with it. It's only my point of view but hope that helps!
Do you think a Regista will pair well with a half back?
Hmm I think it could! If I did, I'd probably use an IWB on at least one side to make sure there's someone in the midfield area
Does Half back works well with two wide centre back ? Would the system get him moving to the centre of both of the wide center back? Would he just fill up the right or left back slot only ? 😊
With this movement back to the back line; it’s more important to have two IWB to slot in the midfield to add stability and the actual midfield (volante) would then overload the attack?
In a back-3 system, the HB will be more like a defensivie midfield all the time, rather than dropping deep to take the play of the centerback. So think of it like a tame version of the segundo volante (in a back-3)
You don't necessarily need 2 IWB but the IWB makes sure you have coverage in that midfield area without necessarily needing to use one of your midfielders. I would start out with one IWB and see how you like it. You can always adjust your midfield roles too if you don't like using the IWB
how would it be applied on a 4-man back line. Basically replacing the anchor with hb; pairing it with the volante. Would double IWB with one on support and one on attack balance out the lost of midfield numbers
Amazing fm 23 mobile didn't have this so im curious
Interesting that mobile didn't have this one; figured it would've been a given!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker to be fair its the 23 version. I dont know about the 24 version. I hope in the new 25 version all the player roles and player instructions are available
FINALLY 😊
hope you enjoy!
Great videos. May I ask what skin you use?
Thanks! It's the Rensie Dark FM24 skin. I got it from FMScout
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Thanks mate. I also suggest you can make scouting training or development videos. I would love to learn from you.
@@ozansevimli6683 No problem. Working on some ideas to start making some videos on scouting and training. Thanks for the suggestion!
we need that patreon link!
okay I love this idea!! Thank you for the suggestion!
What skin do you use?
The Rensie Dark FM24 skin. Should be able to find it on FMScout!
Play a Half Back with a Libero for the chaos 😂
When I was messing around with tactics for this video, I did a 433 but had two liberos and a half back. It was a lot of fun hahaha
Half Back :
DMF✅️
CD✅️
CB✅️
Perfect summation!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker But I Like A Combine And A Mix Of The Philosophy
5:12 Man utd midfield defending counters 23/24 season colourized
Ten Hag Ball in motion 😂
That was cold haha (but I can't disagree either)