I think more people would buy them if they could test them and test them with their own guns. For most gun owners were either watching videos like this or other reviews to try and get an idea, or maybe got to use a friend's, but we never get to see which one actually sounds better. That combined with price is the one of the biggest problems in my opinion
The inter-compatibility of Dead Air Keymount ("KEY-MO") with Dead Air & Silencerco cans is an absolute *game changer*!! One mount now accommodates the two most popular brands... which in my book makes it a _must_ . And much love for the OSS Helix HX-QDs -- the benefits of these zero back-pressure cans *CANNOT* be overstated!
I have 3 of the SilencerCo ASR .308 muzzle brakes. And I was planning to buy one suppressor I could move from rifle to rifle but I may need to re-think the usage. One of them is a rifle purely for hunting. I think I like the convenience of the ASR, because you just screw the mated suppressor on over it.
@@ronws2007 I have _nothing_ bad to say about the SiCo ASR muzzle breaks -- I consider the quality of ASR to be right on top with the KEYMO break. I own SiCo cans too but what tipped my opinion in favor of DA KEYMO instead is that *any* suppressor that can accommodate a 1.375x24 mounting solution (including SiCo, and is quickly becoming an industry standard) can be fitted with a KEYMO adapter to the can. As more manufacturers adopt this emerging standard, KEYMO becomes a universal mounting solution for various cans attaching to various rifles without constraints! Also an added benefit is pistol/hybrid cans like the Wolfman are inter-compatible with KEYMO as well; though only with the KEYMO Micro Brake and Flash Hider [not the full-size KEYMO Break, which kinda disappoints me, but that is entirely limited by the internal dimensions of the can being attached]. Any mounting solution that crosses manufacturer name-brand lines, and aides in the advancement of new development of industry standards for mounting solution, gets an enthusiastic "+1" in my book! Here's a link to Dead Air's website with a diagram of existing inter-compatibilities, but I hope more brands currently exist and/or will emerge with the 1.375x24 mount compatibility beyond what Dead Air currently 'officially' supports. deadairsilencers.com/press-releases/keymount-fitment-guide/
@@sfcampbell19 Cool beans, thanks for the info. Normally, I have not bothered with brakes or suppressors, even though I have 4 threaded rifles. One is a 5.56. But I have an MVP LR-308 with a threaded 20 inch medium bull barrel that likes 180 gr to the tune of 1/3 MOA. I have a Windham Weaponry R16-SFST308 that takes a cheap (armscor) 168 gr HPBT and put is through the exact center of the crosshairs. And I just got a TC Compass II in .308 Win that is to now be my drag through the bushes deer hunting rifle. I have a brake on there now and the rifle is still less than 11 pounds, which I like. A suppressor that fits on the ASR will have some weight. So, I have to consider that.
@@ronws2007 I think you've got great setups! If you're not struggling with multi-brand suppressors and inter-compatibility constraints between can brands & rifles, and you're just seeking optimum performance for your unsuppressed rifles, it's hard to ask for better than 1/3 MOA while reducing your recoil. Personally I don't think 'all' rifles need an aggressive muzzle brake (vs. a flash hider, bird cage, or light brake) to improve performance, for example your 5.56. In cases of low-recoiling cartridges [or anything you're going to shoot indoors or in near proximity with friends haha] an aggressive brake may contradict your best interests. My earnest hopes for yourself, like many others who have been likely drawn to this video, is that if you haven't experienced the benefits of suppressors personally that you can utilize some excellent resources out there to 'take the plunge'. I credit silencershop.com for example for making it as streamlined and simplified as possible to break through the obstacles of the NFA experience -- specifically using their "Single Shot Trust" program, and local kiosks in your geographic vicinity, to get started. If you're like me their "Single Shot Unlimited" program pays for itself after five trusts lol. Referring to your TC Compass II and concerns about the added weight of a suppressor: you're not wrong that additional front-heavy weight is a concern, but there are ways to mitigate that weight (which in turn comes with inherent limitations). For example stainless steel & nickel-cobalt materials are very popular for endurance and high-round count resilience... but a titanium suppressor [while somewhat costly] can reduce weight, though it's not as resilient to wear as the aforementioned materials with high-round counts. Titanium also transfers heat more rapidly which means you may start to experience more mirage through a scope with less shots than comparable steel or nickel-cobalt alternatives... but with a hunting rifle, and not more than 1-2 rounds at a time -- likely not an issue for the reduction in front-end weight benefits! Until such time as you're inclined to delve into the world of suppressors I say you're on a great track... but if you do decide to 'take the plunge' I hope this advice for flexible mounting solutions serves a benefit!
What I've learned from my first buy, a sandman s, is that everything I buy now has to be no more than 15 ounces (lighter the better), have a left hand thread plus taper muzzle device, and have better than decent sound numbers at the shooters ear.
Complex issue. There are now linear compensators. No ATF approval. Decrease blast. The primary original outcome was to reduce hearing damage while maintaining situational awareness. Now folks are talking about reducing combustion blowback health effects. Add-in weapon affects re balance, weight, etc. Cheers.
I use my sandman K on an x-bolt 300 win. mag. with a 26" barrel, and it sounds good in that application. Also I like the sturdy construction for a hunting rifle application. It adds weight but the rifle spends a lot of time riding around in pickup seats/sidexsides, etc. and the beefed up construction can handle getting bumped around a bit.
I would look at Thunder Beast(any .30cal), Sig Sauer SRD772TI(direct thread), Q Full or Half Nelson for direct thread options. If I did quick attach, I would look at the Dead Air Sandman S, Rugged Surge, Q Thunder Chicken, or one of the Sig Sauer QD Ti cans. All in .30 cal for hunting. Some are heavier than others, some are quieter. I don’t worry about first round pop. On a bolt gun, you will have it with just about every shot fired, unless you have the opportunity to shoot multiple animals in short order and then, they will be running because of the chaos of the other animals running. SOCOM has 4 requirements for a silencer/suppressor 1- First round ignition(big flash or fireball giving away position), 2- Second round ignition(another fireball), and 3- POA/POI shift, 4- sound reduction. I would look at what a can does in this order, 1- POA/POI shift, 2- sound reduction(including tone), 3- weight(barrel attachment type can fall under this), cost. Just my suggestions based on what I own and have shot.
I was looking at the Dead Air Wolfman because apparently you can use it for 9mm, 300 blk and 5.56 (yeah, im the guy that just wants one or two lol), is this a smart choice?
You talked me out of even considering a pistol suppressor. I wasn’t thinking about one anyway but probably would’ve ended up there anyway. Lots of other very practical advice and information too. The potential for accuracy loss vs. POI shift is something I hadn’t thought about. Thanks!
I started with one heavy rifle suppressor, then I got an ultra light titanium rifle can, now I have 2 more rifle cans that are very light flow through, 2 titanium "pistol" cans that I can use on certain rifles, and a couple 22 cans.
You mentioned Witt Machine. I have a “Naughty Nine” suppressor I bought for my .350 Legend and assorted other AR’s (including one .308). I have fired it with an AR-15 chambered in 7.62x39. You’re right that suppression is modest. I wouldn’t intentionally fire more than one or two shots without hearing protection. It would be fine for a truck gun in any caliber than .040”. Metal thickness is definitely not inadequate; if anything it’s over built a little bit. I recommend with machine to anyone who has limited funds or just wants a cheap suppressor for a “buddy gun.” It’s my first suppressor and won’t be my last, and will probably get relegated to the 350 legend and a possible future 9mm PCC.
Back in the 80s I had a Ruger 7722 built with a non-removable intrical suppressor. The suppressor and receiver are all one peace and has a stack of removable baffles made of magnesium. This sounds made-up but the sound the rifle makes can be masked by rustling leaves of a large tree 50 yards away. Over and over people have shot the rifle 12 to 15 times thinking it was actually firing, it only has a ten-round mag. I only clean it every 500 to 1000 rounds and it's not hard at all. I just remove the baffles and soke them in a glass bottle with Shooters Choice bore cleaner for weeks or months until the next time I go shooting. Being that the suppressor is so long and it's a bolt action it's ultra-quiet.
It's interesting the differing use cases over the pond there in the US. Here in the UK it's not uncommon to see very large moderators (suppressors) on bolt action rifles specifically for the best noise suppression. I myself use a 340mm long moderator on a 6.5 PRC. I'd much rather lug the weight around for the best suppression. Fun fact there is only one moderator manufacturer in the UK, Wildcat Moderators.
Got a Wildcat Evolution on my .308. Does a very good job. The may only be one manufacturer but you can buy lots of other brands. The thing I like about Wildcat is you can dismantle them to clean. I wouldn't go back to a muzzle brake.
@@BabyMachine Actually there are two manufacturers, my initial post was wrong. Wildcat and Barton Gunworks, all other moderators on the market in the UK are imported. We have a large selection available but few domestic manufacturers.
Very informative video. Thanks. I bought my first suppressor, a Hybrid 46M through the Silencer Shop kiosk. It was such a smooth and painless process. Purchased at a dealer with a range so I can use it while I await the ATF final okay. On a 10.5 inch 300 Blackout it's very quiet even indoors, with a tone that I like.
You will love it. It sounds great with 308 6.5 creed, 300 winmag and 300 ultra mag too. Its also a blast with 45 acp and 9mm subs. 40 sounds great in it too
I fell into suppressors hard. I ordered my first one, and had two more in jail before I ever got the first one. They’re addictive, and I never shoot without a suppressor now, expect for prs sometimes
I'm debating if I need a rimfire and a centerfire one, since I always use ear pro and it's just to make things more pleasant. Might skip the rimfire for a while
Awesome podcast! 😃👍🏻 silencer co and silencer shop are 5 ⭐️. This podcast was spot on for the process. Just wish I hadn’t lost any in that boating accident. Merry Christmas!🎄🎁
It's still a compromise can, just like the Hybrid 46 is. In long the 36M is heavier and longer than an Omega 300, in short it's slightly shorter, and lighter, but makes huge compromises in sound suppression.
My first can is a hybrid 46, Great can but if I was gonna start fresh again I would have got a 223 suppressor first as for the first 3 years that’s all I shot with it because the price of all the adapter pieces was a lot. Now that I’m financially better off I’m throwing the 46 on a lot of things and getting into a dedicated 223 can and probably a modular pistol can next. Will also add if you throw the 223 end cap on the 46 it does suppress it a lot more from my experience
I don’t remember, but did you guys mention Silencer Central’s line of suppressors? They market their Banish line of suppressors. If you guys have any experience with them, I’d really like your input. Thanks and a great, informative video!
I'm 35 and at night the ring-buzz sounds like a mix of cicadas and a sports whistle. An ice pick in my ear seems like a great way to get rid of that on paper but internet research says this is a bad plan.
Good video! One small correction, most if not all Inconel alloys are heavier than tool steel, some about the same weight as brass. It's not considered a light weight alloy
32:00 ish rim fire suppressor cleaning. Or cheaper than 2x 30 rd mag dump Sounds like a dedicated toster oven turned up to 11 is the golden ticket( use a dedicated toster for all shop associated tasks ,dont poison your family.) Toast it business end down so that the lead fouling drips out the tip and burns off the carbon. Carbon can ignite between 300 and 450 degrees Celsius (572 and 842 F). Cu foulung will have to be dealt with chemically. Due to high melting point 1084.62 °C, 1984.32 °F of copper leda melts at 621 °F / 327 °C
Dead air nomad 30 or sandman. They're good for anything from 556 to 300norma/prc and they sound good, shoot well on all of the calibers. Personally I went with the nomad but either one will get it done. Buy once, cry once
Looking to get my first can. Very interesting information. I know now , there is a lot more to consider than I thought. I'm a bit can dumb really I guess. Or so I learned for this lol. Thanks for all the information !
What is your thoughts on the silencerco switchback for 22? And do yall think going thru a kiosk is the fastest way to get a suppressor or its all the same no matter how you get one
my 2 cents:Check out a tec from Norway..I Got a H2 w/ a mussel on the end.its modular so change till youre happy.The aloc "NUTS" gets you whatever treads u need
I was looking at one of those. What barrel length is your AR and is hearing safe without muffs? I was thinking about getting it since I also have uppers in 350 legend and 6.5 grendel. It would be nice to have one can that can cover all 3 calibers and is actually safe to shoot without hearing protection.
@@richardcontinijr9661 they make a 36 M, I started out wanting a 46 but with the end of the year sale they did with but one get one free. I'm going to wait and get a 36m and the 45 pistol suppressor
I keep a suppressed Glock 21 with a light for things that go bump in the night, bc I don't want to wake the Mrs. if I have to do some trash removal. It's also easier to move around with in my small house or use to get to something bigger in the safe if need be. Specific use case but it's valid.
Everyone needs 3 cans. All user serviceable and swappable end caps. A .30 cal magnum can. A .45 pistol can capable of rifle also. And a 22. Those 3 works for 99.9% of everything out there. Shotguns excluded.
Could talk about shooting a wet vs dry pistol suppressor. Also more on 30 cal magnum suppressors. AAC, Advanced Armament Corp is still in business, they came out with a new light weight hunting can, its adaper is titanium direct thread and sleeve is aluminum and its costs around $500 or less. I have the AAC SDN on my 308 bolt gun and move to my AR-10, and to my 300 blackout pistol, and use on my 223 pistol. Very versatile can, cant do 300 win mag unfortunately, nor pistol. My next can will be for 22 rimfire. The downfall of the AAC SDN is the expensive muzzle break with 52 tooth ratchet mount. Lots of people have had endcap baffle strikes from the can comimg loose or used on a Ruger Scout rifle that did not mount up true to the bore. They should do a suppressor commercial to the song of Mr Sandman 🤣 bring me a dream, 55grs of fmj, that Ive never seen 🤣🤣
the kiosk (finger prints) /phone app (photos) system is amazing now….supposedly 90-day approval times it takes 15 minutes to do a background check….so the wait seems wasteful
So if you shoot that much that it's damaging you're hearing are you really planning on shooting only suppressed for now on? If that's the main selling point
Can y’all redo the beginning podcast y’all did? I cannot watch a blank screen for an hour. More importantly I need to see the seriousness in Jim’s eyes when he asks normal questions to the great Ryan Muckenhirn like if a vegetable wad is broccoli. Keep up the awesomeness! 💪🇺🇸
I don't think tone is as mysterious as they make it out to be. It's a matter of lowering the frequency or "tone" of the sound. Our ears are not as good at picking up lower frequency sounds, and tolerate louder lower frequency sounds better than higher frequency sounds. Think of a high pitch screech of nails on a chalk board vs the thrum of an engine going down the highway. One aggravates, the other soothes. A suppressor that lowers that tone (larger capacity) will sound better, even if it's absolute db rating is identical to another suppressor.
These are invaluable videos because theres no store I kno of that sells anything like this stuff. The local store had 1 cheapo $100 lpvo. They don't have anything good at all 😢😢😢😢😢😢
I know I'm late to this video, but is there something I missed? The guy on the right keeps saying one can't get rid of a suppressor unless they give it to the ATF. The Form 1 or Form 4 transfer isn't until death, a suppressor can be Form 4'ed right to someone else, with no issues. Granted, there's very little value in a used suppressor for obvious reasons, but it isn't actually a permanent acquisition.
The first factor to me is multi-caliber compatibility. These things are super expensive and I need something that I can use across the board. Like a Griffin Armament Optimus.
End caps make a huge difference. Spend the money on one with the most modularity. It will be a small compromise. I've got 9 separate cans and seeing what friends and family do with the more modular setups they have makes way more sense
I like my Acadian Armament lynx and defender they are serviceable mono core both can handle 22lr to 5.56 full auto The Lynx is 16 inch barrel length restricted, I use it on my coyote rig , the Defender is little longer and little bigger diameter and full auto 10 inch barrel restricted, I use it on my sbr ,being serviceable I also use my cmmg 22lr converter and also screw the Lynx on my Ruger mk ll then also have a 30 cal can for every thing else , now need a pistol can to cover all my needs , very seldom shoot unsuppressed
I don't care the weight, length, I just want the quite one. Cause I bought two for my 22 lr. Still make no different with or with out. I like to know which is best for 22 lr?
The way that they make the most permanent and most rigid portion of the can the serialized portion, really shows that ingenuity is winning over these idiotic laws.
One aspect I think you missed in making rifle suppressors sound so simple is the over gas issue with semi-auto. There's A LOT to figure out there. Such as a scar 17. Do you put in smaller gas jets, can you only use an OSS can, etc. If you get it wrong you permanently damage the reciever by canting the back bolts of the aluminum housing. Also, AR's changing buffers, recoil springs, etc. There is much much more to semi auto suppression in either pistol or rifle then your addressing. Your screwing with the design of gas systems of gas operated guns.
I bought an omega 36m for that purpose, lives on my .300 blk but can be swapped to my 556 AR or 7.62 AK easily with the ASR mounts, but it’s a little pricier at around $1000. I will say, they’re getting better at flow through designs so in a few years there may be better options, but I’m satisfied with my purchase and I like that I can run it in short or long config. On the .300 it stays short. On .556 or 7.62 I’d run it long.
Look at Diligent defense. Best value out there. Their titanium cans are $750 and they’re stainless $550. Will work for 30 cal down. In addition if money was no object look at the Rugged Alaskan or omega 36m.
Would love to hear discussion around clamp-on brakes and suppressors. My hunting rifle has a lightweight sporter barrel and I've read there's a minimum diameter to get it threaded. What are the pro/cons of at a clamp on? and what do I look for when purchasing?
I don’t know of a clamp on brake that takes a can. There may be one, but I wouldn’t trust it. Everything has to be inline and centered. Poking a hole in the side of your can isn’t that great of an idea and doesn’t help at all with sound.
@@Sam_Holladay I agree with all of this. Also, you can get the barrel threaded, but it usually takes some sort of adapter or a way to add more meat to the end of the barrel and thread that. Skilled machinists are expensive but worth it.
That's a horrible option. A new barrel is way cheaper than destroying a can over being lazy. Buy new barrels or new guns. If the muzzle isn't threaded I don't buy it
I bought a clamp on brake from Witt Machine since my original post and so far it has worked really well. They also make a clamp on thread adapter for a can which I've often considered but @N M makes a good point about barrels being cheaper than cans.
OK, I must have missed something when listening to this podcast; what are the "boating accident" references related to? It is the inside joke that is going over my head
Inside joke in the 2A community with all this registration garbage, The joke is that when the powers that be come looking to confiscate your stuff "Sorry i lost all my guns in a terrible boating accident"
Boy... I've watched and listened to probably 3 hours of suppressor talk now and I'm still feeling woefully inept in my ability to make the best decisions as far as characteristics make model etc go.
Question to the peanut gallery on this..... Can you transfer a suppressor if you put them in a trust for your kids once they are old enough? where would I look to find out more if this is so?
The easiest way is to add your children to your trust when they are of age. There are 3 ways to register a suppressor, or any NFA item really. 1. As an individual. Downside is you have to be wherever the suppressor is. 2. As a trust. Anyone who is on the trust may possess the suppressor. Possible downside can get everyone on the trust to do their part when adding new items to the trust. 3. As a corporation. Not many people go this route. Definitely talk to a lawyer if you are interested in this method. Silencer Shop has a lot of resources to explain the registration process and the advantages of the different methods.
Not only was my first suppressor a pistol suppressor, it's actually a suppressed pistol. The Maxim9 :) Of course I'm still waiting for the transfer to go through, but I got it transferred through a shop that has a range so i at least get to visit.
I disagree with a fair portion of what is said, only because my experience is different. Also, a lot of what is said seems to be based on old information and thinking. No offense, I just don't think the most recent data was used. One example is the idea of buying a can because you see it everywhere. I got an osprey for this reason and I do not like it at all. Huge regret. Also, there was some information about decibels and how cans function that is not correct. You might consider doing an updated video with current information (I know this video is 2 years old) and maybe even feature Jay from PEW Science.
@@paulharveu526 yeah I was interested last year, almost bought one and then was going to give in and do it... but no longer available 😢 I'm mostly bench so I'd be OK with the weight (I think)
@@redrock425 there was such a public outcry that they have parked the ideas for now, but among other things suppressors would have been banned completely, as would firearms for personal/private/self defence and private collecting.
One more thing silencers sales men NEED to learn. Sorry but this is HAMMERED into a land surveyors all 4 years of college. Accuracy and precision are not the same. Know how I know? Their spelled dif. Accuracy = ability to hit bullseye or zero shift Precision = repeatability You can have a highly accurate gun but terrible precision. Such as a 4 moa gun. You can hit the 4" circle @ 100yds every time but the group is sh!t. Sorry but 4 yrs of tests asking the dif in terms, I cringe when I hear "it doesn't shift your zero but the accuracy is off." No, your accuracy is on bc the zero didn't shift but your grouping or precision is off. Thank you, class dismissed.
The key thing to remember is that these are suppressors, not silencers. Silencers are not available on the civilian market. At least one of these guys calls is a silencer. A suppressor reduces the sound level and recoil of a firearm to protect hearing and improve the accuracy of follow up shots.
Please interview Jay @ Pew Science! This episode would benefit GREATLY from it.
Great suggestion. Pew Science would totally revolutionize this conversation.
@@TheGreatDaneR who is that?
I think more people would buy them if they could test them and test them with their own guns. For most gun owners were either watching videos like this or other reviews to try and get an idea, or maybe got to use a friend's, but we never get to see which one actually sounds better. That combined with price is the one of the biggest problems in my opinion
Yea and u cant just trade it in after the paperwork. For what it is, a can full of baffles 😂😂its so dumb
The inter-compatibility of Dead Air Keymount ("KEY-MO") with Dead Air & Silencerco cans is an absolute *game changer*!! One mount now accommodates the two most popular brands... which in my book makes it a _must_ .
And much love for the OSS Helix HX-QDs -- the benefits of these zero back-pressure cans *CANNOT* be overstated!
I have 3 of the SilencerCo ASR .308 muzzle brakes. And I was planning to buy one suppressor I could move from rifle to rifle but I may need to re-think the usage. One of them is a rifle purely for hunting. I think I like the convenience of the ASR, because you just screw the mated suppressor on over it.
@@ronws2007 I have _nothing_ bad to say about the SiCo ASR muzzle breaks -- I consider the quality of ASR to be right on top with the KEYMO break. I own SiCo cans too but what tipped my opinion in favor of DA KEYMO instead is that *any* suppressor that can accommodate a 1.375x24 mounting solution (including SiCo, and is quickly becoming an industry standard) can be fitted with a KEYMO adapter to the can. As more manufacturers adopt this emerging standard, KEYMO becomes a universal mounting solution for various cans attaching to various rifles without constraints! Also an added benefit is pistol/hybrid cans like the Wolfman are inter-compatible with KEYMO as well; though only with the KEYMO Micro Brake and Flash Hider [not the full-size KEYMO Break, which kinda disappoints me, but that is entirely limited by the internal dimensions of the can being attached].
Any mounting solution that crosses manufacturer name-brand lines, and aides in the advancement of new development of industry standards for mounting solution, gets an enthusiastic "+1" in my book! Here's a link to Dead Air's website with a diagram of existing inter-compatibilities, but I hope more brands currently exist and/or will emerge with the 1.375x24 mount compatibility beyond what Dead Air currently 'officially' supports.
deadairsilencers.com/press-releases/keymount-fitment-guide/
@@sfcampbell19 Cool beans, thanks for the info. Normally, I have not bothered with brakes or suppressors, even though I have 4 threaded rifles. One is a 5.56. But I have an MVP LR-308 with a threaded 20 inch medium bull barrel that likes 180 gr to the tune of 1/3 MOA. I have a Windham Weaponry R16-SFST308 that takes a cheap (armscor) 168 gr HPBT and put is through the exact center of the crosshairs.
And I just got a TC Compass II in .308 Win that is to now be my drag through the bushes deer hunting rifle. I have a brake on there now and the rifle is still less than 11 pounds, which I like. A suppressor that fits on the ASR will have some weight. So, I have to consider that.
@@ronws2007 I think you've got great setups! If you're not struggling with multi-brand suppressors and inter-compatibility constraints between can brands & rifles, and you're just seeking optimum performance for your unsuppressed rifles, it's hard to ask for better than 1/3 MOA while reducing your recoil.
Personally I don't think 'all' rifles need an aggressive muzzle brake (vs. a flash hider, bird cage, or light brake) to improve performance, for example your 5.56. In cases of low-recoiling cartridges [or anything you're going to shoot indoors or in near proximity with friends haha] an aggressive brake may contradict your best interests.
My earnest hopes for yourself, like many others who have been likely drawn to this video, is that if you haven't experienced the benefits of suppressors personally that you can utilize some excellent resources out there to 'take the plunge'. I credit silencershop.com for example for making it as streamlined and simplified as possible to break through the obstacles of the NFA experience -- specifically using their "Single Shot Trust" program, and local kiosks in your geographic vicinity, to get started. If you're like me their "Single Shot Unlimited" program pays for itself after five trusts lol.
Referring to your TC Compass II and concerns about the added weight of a suppressor: you're not wrong that additional front-heavy weight is a concern, but there are ways to mitigate that weight (which in turn comes with inherent limitations). For example stainless steel & nickel-cobalt materials are very popular for endurance and high-round count resilience... but a titanium suppressor [while somewhat costly] can reduce weight, though it's not as resilient to wear as the aforementioned materials with high-round counts. Titanium also transfers heat more rapidly which means you may start to experience more mirage through a scope with less shots than comparable steel or nickel-cobalt alternatives... but with a hunting rifle, and not more than 1-2 rounds at a time -- likely not an issue for the reduction in front-end weight benefits!
Until such time as you're inclined to delve into the world of suppressors I say you're on a great track... but if you do decide to 'take the plunge' I hope this advice for flexible mounting solutions serves a benefit!
What I've learned from my first buy, a sandman s, is that everything I buy now has to be no more than 15 ounces (lighter the better), have a left hand thread plus taper muzzle device, and have better than decent sound numbers at the shooters ear.
Complex issue.
There are now linear compensators. No ATF approval. Decrease blast.
The primary original outcome was to reduce hearing damage while maintaining situational awareness.
Now folks are talking about reducing combustion blowback health effects.
Add-in weapon affects re balance, weight, etc.
Cheers.
As someone who has been considering silencers for many years, this was very informative. Thanks.
Did you buy one? Wait times are down. Buddy got one in 5.5 months
Wait times are even less if you have a lathe
I use my sandman K on an x-bolt 300 win. mag. with a 26" barrel, and it sounds good in that application. Also I like the sturdy construction for a hunting rifle application. It adds weight but the rifle spends a lot of time riding around in pickup seats/sidexsides, etc. and the beefed up construction can handle getting bumped around a bit.
I would look at Thunder Beast(any .30cal), Sig Sauer SRD772TI(direct thread), Q Full or Half Nelson for direct thread options. If I did quick attach, I would look at the Dead Air Sandman S, Rugged Surge, Q Thunder Chicken, or one of the Sig Sauer QD Ti cans. All in .30 cal for hunting. Some are heavier than others, some are quieter. I don’t worry about first round pop. On a bolt gun, you will have it with just about every shot fired, unless you have the opportunity to shoot multiple animals in short order and then, they will be running because of the chaos of the other animals running. SOCOM has 4 requirements for a silencer/suppressor 1- First round ignition(big flash or fireball giving away position), 2- Second round ignition(another fireball), and 3- POA/POI shift, 4- sound reduction. I would look at what a can does in this order, 1- POA/POI shift, 2- sound reduction(including tone), 3- weight(barrel attachment type can fall under this), cost. Just my suggestions based on what I own and have shot.
I was looking at the Dead Air Wolfman because apparently you can use it for 9mm, 300 blk and 5.56 (yeah, im the guy that just wants one or two lol), is this a smart choice?
You talked me out of even considering a pistol suppressor. I wasn’t thinking about one anyway but probably would’ve ended up there anyway. Lots of other very practical advice and information too. The potential for accuracy loss vs. POI shift is something I hadn’t thought about. Thanks!
I started with one heavy rifle suppressor, then I got an ultra light titanium rifle can, now I have 2 more rifle cans that are very light flow through, 2 titanium "pistol" cans that I can use on certain rifles, and a couple 22 cans.
No bullshit I've learned more watching this vid then i have in years of shop talk and other videos combined. Great content guys.
You mentioned Witt Machine. I have a “Naughty Nine” suppressor I bought for my .350 Legend and assorted other AR’s (including one .308).
I have fired it with an AR-15 chambered in 7.62x39. You’re right that suppression is modest. I wouldn’t intentionally fire more than one or two shots without hearing protection. It would be fine for a truck gun in any caliber than .040”.
Metal thickness is definitely not inadequate; if anything it’s over built a little bit.
I recommend with machine to anyone who has limited funds or just wants a cheap suppressor for a “buddy gun.”
It’s my first suppressor and won’t be my last, and will probably get relegated to the 350 legend and a possible future 9mm PCC.
Thank you for talking about tone. That's an important consideration that I think is possibly unknown to the first-time suppressor owner.
Back in the 80s I had a Ruger 7722 built with a non-removable intrical suppressor. The suppressor and receiver are all one peace and has a stack of removable baffles made of magnesium. This sounds made-up but the sound the rifle makes can be masked by rustling leaves of a large tree 50 yards away. Over and over people have shot the rifle 12 to 15 times thinking it was actually firing, it only has a ten-round mag. I only clean it every 500 to 1000 rounds and it's not hard at all. I just remove the baffles and soke them in a glass bottle with Shooters Choice bore cleaner for weeks or months until the next time I go shooting. Being that the suppressor is so long and it's a bolt action it's ultra-quiet.
I have one set up just like this I screw my barrel off and on
It's Winchester Short Magnum. Big win for Texas.
It's interesting the differing use cases over the pond there in the US. Here in the UK it's not uncommon to see very large moderators (suppressors) on bolt action rifles specifically for the best noise suppression. I myself use a 340mm long moderator on a 6.5 PRC. I'd much rather lug the weight around for the best suppression. Fun fact there is only one moderator manufacturer in the UK, Wildcat Moderators.
Got a Wildcat Evolution on my .308. Does a very good job. The may only be one manufacturer but you can buy lots of other brands. The thing I like about Wildcat is you can dismantle them to clean. I wouldn't go back to a muzzle brake.
Is there only one manufacturer because there are way less guns there? That's sounds crazy! lol
@@BabyMachine Actually there are two manufacturers, my initial post was wrong. Wildcat and Barton Gunworks, all other moderators on the market in the UK are imported. We have a large selection available but few domestic manufacturers.
@@VulpesGBR OH ok, that makes sense!
The only thing illegal I heard, was thinking that you needed a stamp to have a suppressor… You guys are seriously part of the problem 😢
Very informative video. Thanks.
I bought my first suppressor, a Hybrid 46M through the Silencer Shop kiosk. It was such a smooth and painless process. Purchased at a dealer with a range so I can use it while I await the ATF final okay. On a 10.5 inch 300 Blackout it's very quiet even indoors, with a tone that I like.
You will love it. It sounds great with 308 6.5 creed, 300 winmag and 300 ultra mag too.
Its also a blast with 45 acp and 9mm subs. 40 sounds great in it too
I fell into suppressors hard.
I ordered my first one, and had two more in jail before I ever got the first one.
They’re addictive, and I never shoot without a suppressor now, expect for prs sometimes
I'm debating if I need a rimfire and a centerfire one, since I always use ear pro and it's just to make things more pleasant. Might skip the rimfire for a while
@@nk-dw2hm I don’t have a rimfire can, 2 30 cal and a 9mm
I have the same problem. First world problems are the best
@@nk-dw2hm rimfire with subs is the best. You're really missing out if you don't have at least 1.
@@kielruiz5133 if I had done the paperwork when I posted that comment, I'd be getting it soon lol
I went with the omega 36m from silencerco after watching this suited my needs best!
Jay at Pew Science has a way to objectively test suppressors, he'd be an awesome podcast guest!
Awesome podcast! 😃👍🏻 silencer co and silencer shop are 5 ⭐️. This podcast was spot on for the process. Just wish I hadn’t lost any in that boating accident. Merry Christmas!🎄🎁
That's a strange coincidence, I lost all of my guns and suppressors in a boating accident! 😂
I can't help but think something like the an Omega 36M checks 80% of the boxes for everyone.
It's still a compromise can, just like the Hybrid 46 is. In long the 36M is heavier and longer than an Omega 300, in short it's slightly shorter, and lighter, but makes huge compromises in sound suppression.
We will see. Allegedly i have one in jail
@@maxstueven1965 the little known secret is how fantastic “compromise” cans are
Listened to this numerous times before purchasing my first suppressor. Thank you for the informative video!
My first can is a hybrid 46, Great can but if I was gonna start fresh again I would have got a 223 suppressor first as for the first 3 years that’s all I shot with it because the price of all the adapter pieces was a lot. Now that I’m financially better off I’m throwing the 46 on a lot of things and getting into a dedicated 223 can and probably a modular pistol can next. Will also add if you throw the 223 end cap on the 46 it does suppress it a lot more from my experience
I don’t remember, but did you guys mention Silencer Central’s line of suppressors? They market their Banish line of suppressors. If you guys have any experience with them, I’d really like your input.
Thanks and a great, informative video!
I'm 35 and at night the ring-buzz sounds like a mix of cicadas and a sports whistle. An ice pick in my ear seems like a great way to get rid of that on paper but internet research says this is a bad plan.
5.7x28 are center fired but some can listed as rim fire to add to the mix
MP5's along with my Glock pistols, and an UZI built coming up, the Dead Air Wolfman made my decision for me.
Good video! One small correction, most if not all Inconel alloys are heavier than tool steel, some about the same weight as brass. It's not considered a light weight alloy
I enjoyed your video. Listen for the entire thing. As long as a movie.
32:00 ish rim fire suppressor cleaning. Or cheaper than 2x 30 rd mag dump
Sounds like a dedicated toster oven turned up to 11 is the golden ticket( use a dedicated toster for all shop associated tasks ,dont poison your family.) Toast it business end down so that the lead fouling drips out the tip and burns off the carbon. Carbon can ignite between 300 and 450 degrees Celsius (572 and 842 F). Cu foulung will have to be dealt with chemically. Due to high melting point 1084.62 °C, 1984.32 °F of copper leda melts at 621 °F / 327 °C
Dead air nomad 30 or sandman. They're good for anything from 556 to 300norma/prc and they sound good, shoot well on all of the calibers. Personally I went with the nomad but either one will get it done. Buy once, cry once
Looking to get my first can. Very interesting information. I know now , there is a lot more to consider than I thought. I'm a bit can dumb really I guess. Or so I learned for this lol. Thanks for all the information !
I bought a silencer Co omega 300 last August, still currently waiting for ATF approval but I can't wait to have it in my hands
Did you ever get it ?
@@derreckokdwell oh yeah finally! 14 month wait
I am thinking about a Ruger Charger with 10" barrel and a red dot to clean up squirrels. What would make it quieter than an air rifle?
What is your thoughts on the silencerco switchback for 22? And do yall think going thru a kiosk is the fastest way to get a suppressor or its all the same no matter how you get one
my 2 cents:Check out a tec from Norway..I Got a H2 w/ a mussel on the end.its modular
so change till youre happy.The aloc "NUTS" gets you whatever treads u need
I have a silencerco hybrid .46 and I use it on an ar15 sounds great, don't need a 556 end cap
I was looking at one of those. What barrel length is your AR and is hearing safe without muffs? I was thinking about getting it since I also have uppers in 350 legend and 6.5 grendel. It would be nice to have one can that can cover all 3 calibers and is actually safe to shoot without hearing protection.
@@richardcontinijr9661 they make a 36 M, I started out wanting a 46 but with the end of the year sale they did with but one get one free. I'm going to wait and get a 36m and the 45 pistol suppressor
What about all the thread sizes!?
Pistol suppressors are awesome on PCCs and that’s about it!
I keep a suppressed Glock 21 with a light for things that go bump in the night, bc I don't want to wake the Mrs. if I have to do some trash removal. It's also easier to move around with in my small house or use to get to something bigger in the safe if need be. Specific use case but it's valid.
Have you ever seen the movie Ghost Dog, way of the samurai? He has that suppressed mini-14, that was nice.
What direct thread suppressor would you recommend for a 10.5 300 BLK?
Everyone needs 3 cans. All user serviceable and swappable end caps. A .30 cal magnum can. A .45 pistol can capable of rifle also. And a 22. Those 3 works for 99.9% of everything out there. Shotguns excluded.
The ringing in the ears does come in handy when your wife is trying to get you to do things though. I guess that is a Pro for non-supressed lol
Could talk about shooting a wet vs dry pistol suppressor. Also more on 30 cal magnum suppressors.
AAC, Advanced Armament Corp is still in business, they came out with a new light weight hunting can, its adaper is titanium direct thread and sleeve is aluminum and its costs around $500 or less. I have the AAC SDN on my 308 bolt gun and move to my AR-10, and to my 300 blackout pistol, and use on my 223 pistol. Very versatile can, cant do 300 win mag unfortunately, nor pistol. My next can will be for 22 rimfire. The downfall of the AAC SDN is the expensive muzzle break with 52 tooth ratchet mount. Lots of people have had endcap baffle strikes from the can comimg loose or used on a Ruger Scout rifle that did not mount up true to the bore. They should do a suppressor commercial to the song of Mr Sandman 🤣 bring me a dream, 55grs of fmj, that Ive never seen 🤣🤣
How to you test them to actually see which is best for you? Regardless of cost
the kiosk (finger prints) /phone app (photos) system is amazing
now….supposedly 90-day approval times
it takes 15 minutes to do a background check….so the wait seems wasteful
Advice on the AAC Jaeger 30?
Great video. Is there a good sight to help with selections?
Pew science
I own a sig srd762qd I run it on 308 556 17hmr and [22 with electrical tape over the front for 22 ] works great
FNX-45 Tactical is sweet suppressed.
The requirement to have to buy a tax stamp and any other restrictions that have to do with guns or gun parts is completely unconstitutional.
Is another point on a long list of reasons the tree has to be refreshed before it gets worse.
I have a dead air sandman L for my scar 17s full auto rated and a silencer co hybrid for my hand guns and .338 Lapua pressure rated
So if you shoot that much that it's damaging you're hearing are you really planning on shooting only suppressed for now on? If that's the main selling point
Can y’all redo the beginning podcast y’all did? I cannot watch a blank screen for an hour. More importantly I need to see the seriousness in Jim’s eyes when he asks normal questions to the great Ryan Muckenhirn like if a vegetable wad is broccoli. Keep up the awesomeness! 💪🇺🇸
I don't think tone is as mysterious as they make it out to be. It's a matter of lowering the frequency or "tone" of the sound. Our ears are not as good at picking up lower frequency sounds, and tolerate louder lower frequency sounds better than higher frequency sounds. Think of a high pitch screech of nails on a chalk board vs the thrum of an engine going down the highway. One aggravates, the other soothes. A suppressor that lowers that tone (larger capacity) will sound better, even if it's absolute db rating is identical to another suppressor.
These are invaluable videos because theres no store I kno of that sells anything like this stuff. The local store had 1 cheapo $100 lpvo. They don't have anything good at all 😢😢😢😢😢😢
Mark get a Dead Air Nomad TI it's a 9oz 30cal can that is stupid quiet...
Can you clean a center-fire suppressor with a sonic cleaner?
They went over that in the video- you can, but then you're left with lead acetate, and that can't be disposed of anywhere except a hazmat dump
Mark, if you are undecided on suppressors, check out Lane. I love mine
I know I'm late to this video, but is there something I missed? The guy on the right keeps saying one can't get rid of a suppressor unless they give it to the ATF. The Form 1 or Form 4 transfer isn't until death, a suppressor can be Form 4'ed right to someone else, with no issues. Granted, there's very little value in a used suppressor for obvious reasons, but it isn't actually a permanent acquisition.
It's not special but my yhm resonator was real nice for $670 after tax and stamp has satisfied me
The first factor to me is multi-caliber compatibility. These things are super expensive and I need something that I can use across the board. Like a Griffin Armament Optimus.
I understand the sentiment, but universal cans suck at a lot, are mediocre at some, and are excellent at none.
End caps make a huge difference. Spend the money on one with the most modularity. It will be a small compromise. I've got 9 separate cans and seeing what friends and family do with the more modular setups they have makes way more sense
I like my Acadian Armament lynx and defender they are serviceable mono core both can handle 22lr to 5.56 full auto
The Lynx is 16 inch barrel length restricted, I use it on my coyote rig , the Defender is little longer and little bigger diameter and full auto 10 inch barrel restricted, I use it on my sbr ,being serviceable I also use my cmmg 22lr converter and also screw the Lynx on my Ruger mk ll then also have a 30 cal can for every thing else , now need a pistol can to cover all my needs , very seldom shoot unsuppressed
I don't care the weight, length, I just want the quite one. Cause I bought two for my 22 lr. Still make no different with or with out. I like to know which is best for 22 lr?
A muzzle adapter with a used (oily) oil filter is much quieter than any production suppressor. $25
Move to the sub ammo on the market. The noise is incredibly quiet
Suppressor Jail is real. U gotta go visit ur baby every now and then to give them encouragement n let them know u still care 🤣🤣
The way that they make the most permanent and most rigid portion of the can the serialized portion, really shows that ingenuity is winning over these idiotic laws.
Anybody have the silencerco harvester evo? How do you like it?
One aspect I think you missed in making rifle suppressors sound so simple is the over gas issue with semi-auto. There's A LOT to figure out there. Such as a scar 17. Do you put in smaller gas jets, can you only use an OSS can, etc. If you get it wrong you permanently damage the reciever by canting the back bolts of the aluminum housing. Also, AR's changing buffers, recoil springs, etc. There is much much more to semi auto suppression in either pistol or rifle then your addressing. Your screwing with the design of gas systems of gas operated guns.
I now know much more about suppressors, but I now have many more questions, that only I can answer..... lol
I was thinking of buying my first suppressor I want to get one I can use on my 300blackout and my 5.56. 800$ and under what would you guys recommend?
I bought an omega 36m for that purpose, lives on my .300 blk but can be swapped to my 556 AR or 7.62 AK easily with the ASR mounts, but it’s a little pricier at around $1000.
I will say, they’re getting better at flow through designs so in a few years there may be better options, but I’m satisfied with my purchase and I like that I can run it in short or long config. On the .300 it stays short. On .556 or 7.62 I’d run it long.
Look at Diligent defense. Best value out there. Their titanium cans are $750 and they’re stainless $550. Will work for 30 cal down. In addition if money was no object look at the Rugged Alaskan or omega 36m.
Thanks I really appreciate you
Would love to hear discussion around clamp-on brakes and suppressors. My hunting rifle has a lightweight sporter barrel and I've read there's a minimum diameter to get it threaded. What are the pro/cons of at a clamp on? and what do I look for when purchasing?
I don’t know of a clamp on brake that takes a can. There may be one, but I wouldn’t trust it. Everything has to be inline and centered. Poking a hole in the side of your can isn’t that great of an idea and doesn’t help at all with sound.
@@Sam_Holladay I agree with all of this. Also, you can get the barrel threaded, but it usually takes some sort of adapter or a way to add more meat to the end of the barrel and thread that. Skilled machinists are expensive but worth it.
That's what I need for any gun that I have , a clamp on , and we should be able to periodically check alignment with a lazer bore sighter .
That's a horrible option. A new barrel is way cheaper than destroying a can over being lazy. Buy new barrels or new guns. If the muzzle isn't threaded I don't buy it
I bought a clamp on brake from Witt Machine since my original post and so far it has worked really well. They also make a clamp on thread adapter for a can which I've often considered but @N M makes a good point about barrels being cheaper than cans.
Griffin armament Optimus 9... Everything from .22lr all the way to .300 winmag. And 9mm.
What is the percentile of citizens required to make them not a stamped item?
Act of congress to remove them from the NFA.
3%
Regardless...
Don't cheap out, and buy a dedicated 22lr suppressor in addition to whatever you get.
They are the most fun.
OK, I must have missed something when listening to this podcast; what are the "boating accident" references related to? It is the inside joke that is going over my head
Inside joke in the 2A community with all this registration garbage,
The joke is that when the powers that be come looking to confiscate your stuff
"Sorry i lost all my guns in a terrible boating accident"
Boy... I've watched and listened to probably 3 hours of suppressor talk now and I'm still feeling woefully inept in my ability to make the best decisions as far as characteristics make model etc go.
Question to the peanut gallery on this..... Can you transfer a suppressor if you put them in a trust for your kids once they are old enough? where would I look to find out more if this is so?
Find a local NFA lawyer to discuss with. Since 1041P rule change pushed through by obama the Trust issue has changed dramatically
The easiest way is to add your children to your trust when they are of age. There are 3 ways to register a suppressor, or any NFA item really.
1. As an individual. Downside is you have to be wherever the suppressor is.
2. As a trust. Anyone who is on the trust may possess the suppressor. Possible downside can get everyone on the trust to do their part when adding new items to the trust.
3. As a corporation. Not many people go this route. Definitely talk to a lawyer if you are interested in this method.
Silencer Shop has a lot of resources to explain the registration process and the advantages of the different methods.
Wish tall talked about how to get one
Save money, go to a shop that sells them, spend saved money on a can
I have 12 AK'S and all are suppressed. Same suppressor goes on all of them. OSS....
What are the rules if you purchase a suppressor overseas for a fraction of the cost and bring it back to the US?
You go to jail
@@forkthepork Wrong!!
@@jimmoseley2983if you know, then why did you ask?
@@forkthepork I just spoke to TSA and he said it can be done.
@@jimmoseley2983 Lol TSA doesn't trump ATF. You should probably call them next.
This was an hour and a half that I cant get back. This could have taken 7 minutes.
Thankfully on youtube you can fast forward 🤣
Shooting a suppressor is great, then the guy next to you ends up using a muzzle brake.
🤦♂🤣
Not only was my first suppressor a pistol suppressor, it's actually a suppressed pistol. The Maxim9 :)
Of course I'm still waiting for the transfer to go through, but I got it transferred through a shop that has a range so i at least get to visit.
Use a barrel vise on the suppressor
K is indeed for “kurz” which means “short” in German.
Ja, ich verstehe.
I have 7 cans in jail right now.... Been addicted since my first one in 2009
I disagree with a fair portion of what is said, only because my experience is different. Also, a lot of what is said seems to be based on old information and thinking. No offense, I just don't think the most recent data was used. One example is the idea of buying a can because you see it everywhere. I got an osprey for this reason and I do not like it at all. Huge regret. Also, there was some information about decibels and how cans function that is not correct. You might consider doing an updated video with current information (I know this video is 2 years old) and maybe even feature Jay from PEW Science.
RIP Po Boys suppressors, I missed out before they stopped making them
I was looking for one in-stock, but none. I knew they where heavy but 28 oz compared to around 12 oz for other full-sized rifle cans...
@@paulharveu526 yeah I was interested last year, almost bought one and then was going to give in and do it... but no longer available 😢
I'm mostly bench so I'd be OK with the weight (I think)
they are so hard to get in australia would love not to wear ear plugs while hunting
Let's all hope Chipman doesn't get to head the AFT.
If the proposed new legislation here in South Africa comes to fruition, I might also need a leaky boat...
"I am the captain, now..."
What are they proposing?
@@redrock425 there was such a public outcry that they have parked the ideas for now, but among other things suppressors would have been banned completely, as would firearms for personal/private/self defence and private collecting.
Wrong in America you can transfer on form four to anybody, taxed again to buyer , same as buying new
Please mention ,price of each one ok
The best suppressor to get is none 👍
One more thing silencers sales men NEED to learn. Sorry but this is HAMMERED into a land surveyors all 4 years of college. Accuracy and precision are not the same. Know how I know? Their spelled dif.
Accuracy = ability to hit bullseye or zero shift
Precision = repeatability
You can have a highly accurate gun but terrible precision. Such as a 4 moa gun. You can hit the 4" circle @ 100yds every time but the group is sh!t. Sorry but 4 yrs of tests asking the dif in terms, I cringe when I hear "it doesn't shift your zero but the accuracy is off." No, your accuracy is on bc the zero didn't shift but your grouping or precision is off. Thank you, class dismissed.
Mark, do you even supress bro?
Small
Quiet
Cheap
You get two.
The key thing to remember is that these are suppressors, not silencers. Silencers are not available on the civilian market. At least one of these guys calls is a silencer. A suppressor reduces the sound level and recoil of a firearm to protect hearing and improve the accuracy of follow up shots.
You sound unbearable as a person