So funny how if you go overseas, most European countries, you just go to a shop and purchase. Here its such a lengthy process. My opinion is "the Tax Stamp" is the reason why. I personally think suppressors are awesome. The movie industry has destroyed the conception of suppressors. They are not silencers, as you all know, they suppress. Gret informational video guys.
I got my tax stamp a few weeks ago and finally shot my suppressor last weekend. What a difference. I will be buying another one soon! It took 1 day over 9 months to get my tax stamp!
Im mainly a bolt rifle guy that does a lot of predator hunting. Here in the thick desert ive been leaning on an AR for very fast follow up shots on runners. Some of the areas shotguns work on maybe 1st shot but if there are 2 ur screwed. The AR makes it easier. Just got to try out my can hunting for the first time 2 days ago. LOVE IT. Way different experience.
Here is an idea for Hornady. I saw a podcast where a hand loader was talking about using a different powder for short barrels to get better velocity. With so many going to 16-18” barrels to hunt suppressed they should make a short barrel line. They already have a lite line. For me in the East give me a 308 cx with faster burning powder.
Well if you look at test data, the same powders that produce the highest velocities in 20-24” barrels usually produce the highest velocities in 10-12” barrels. There may be a few niche cases where that isn’t true. But it’s the general rule. The biggest potential gain would be flash mitigation with a faster powder.
That's not how powder burn and velocity works. The powder that produces the best velocity in a long barrel, will produce the best velocity in a short barrel given the same cartridge. Hodgdon powder website has pistol length barrel load data for rifle cartridges. When you compare them to rifle length barrels in the same cartridges, the highest velocity powder is the same.
Have you tested loads with the superlative block in restriction Vs. bleed off mode?? I'm curious if it changes the group size at all for a given load. I have one, but haven't gotten into testing that yet. I'm also curious if there is a noticeable difference in how clean or dirty the rifle gets, based on the mode you use.
What bothers me the most, other than the infringement on rights that "shall not be infringed" is that when you send in the paperwork to ATF you've given them everything they need to process the paperwork. All they do to my knowledge, and perhaps I'm wrong is enter your information into their system, perform a background check... the same check they do in any gun shop in 5 minutes and then they put on a stamp, and mail it back. I'd like to know EXACTLY why it takes so long. My first can was approved in 11 months, the next one took almost 14.
Tell me about it my buddy waited about 14 months maybe 15, my first one was 11 months. Especially since they have so many people working there, that we are also paying for (if I’m not mistaken) paying people to take our money and wait exorbitant amounts of time to exercise our rights is the best example of how redundant and ironic the government is.
@@HorchataFan It's intentional to deter you from applying for infringement stamps. The Deputy AG explicitly stated this during the 1934 NFA hearings. These were criminals in government positions working for the Mafia, not legitimate public servants. He explained to Congress that making the $200 stamp tax was designed to make NFA items effectively unobtainable for the people.
So glad you brought up the SML. I’m at 215+ days into my wait for my ECCO Machine .458 Accipiter that will go on my converted CVA Scout, among various other bolt guns.
After years of shooting pigs from "Buggies" in West Texas we all decided to suppress all our rifles about 7 years ago so no one wound up with ringing ears. We learned the pigs still run after their buddy gets thumped, but they might just run toward us because the bullet impact on the buddy was louder than the muzzle blast and they run from the noise.
After getting a couple of .30cal cans and a rimfire can a few years ago, I would say that I'd sell guns in order to have a suppressor rather than have multiple rifles and no suppressor. Less recoil, rimfire-level noise, less impact on the surrounding game, and the ability to hear the bullet hit. I shot a running feral pig this spring that went out of sight and I knew I'd hit him just by the sound of the impact. No blood trail, but I did find him. Might not have know he was even hit if I'd been shooting unsuppressed. Like thermal/NV, good suppressors are becoming more advanced each year, which allows some "budget" options that offer a ton of bang for the buck, compared to 5 or 10 years ago.
Guys - you really need to index a podcast this long. The anecdotes are fun, but I want to know about the purchasing process and selecting the specific device. IOW construction trade offs.
My experience with the Omega 300 (attached via the brake, as well as the anchor brake) is that it mitigates the recoil significantly more than the Apollo brake that I had on it before. And there’s absolutely no need for ears despite the anchor brake on the end.
Surpressors are most effective with subsonic ammo Shoot supersonic thru the surpressor Then shoot subsonic ,9 mil-115 grain is supersonic .9 mil 147 grain is subsonic Significant difference in the crack when it leaves the barrel
My goal is a can for each weapon. Up to 5 now. Suppressed pistols are kinda lame. Suppressed sub-guns are fire. Oss/hux for gas guns and baffles for bolt guns. And suppressed rim fire is awesome.
I appreciate your topic gentlemen!!! I recently ordered through Silencer Central and search out all information available as I wait. I couldn't hit the play button fast enough, when I saw your topic.
Hey, i love your Podcast! Greetings from Germany. I have a question: A-tec came up with a muzzle Brake end cap. So you got a supressor and after that a Brake. Does this reduce recoil even more? And more important does the gun stay quiet or does the Brake after the supressor increase sound Volume? For example: Supressor only -35dB Same Supressor + Brake Endcap lower recoil but only - 25dB?
Part of the reason you notice that animals have erratic and unpredictable reactions to suppressed fire is because, downrange, it is more difficult to determine where the fire is coming from when the shot is suppressed.
Wish the laws in the US for this ONE issue were more like the UK. The rest of the UK laws are bunk. But this one they have is reasonable and I would love to get the ATF out of the process. It only delays and makes much more expensive the use of suppressors for the average shooter.
@@John50129oh I know we are t near about as free as we like to think. The only country in the world with a “right” to firearms, yet also the only country in the world where barrel length matters… And they make 50 caliber air rifles
Animals definitely act differently when you shoot suppressed. I help a couple of farmers who have problems with deer eating their soybeans when they're just coming up. They put my name on the Depredation Permits that they get from Game and Fish. I use a Ruger Predator in 6mm Creedmoor equipped with a Gemtech Dagger suppressor. The range to the deer typically runs between 250 to 450 yards. If 3-5 deer come into the field at the same time, I can usually kill all of them. They may look up when the first couple of deer hit the ground but will not run off. Some time they may jog off a few yards but will stop, trying to figure out what's going on. On a good afternoon stand I can kill 10-12 deer. In 3-4 days I'll usually kill 25-30 deer, which usually takes care of the depredation problem for that field. The suppressor really helps
Bear Creek Arsenal makes side chargers where the upper is sealed. There is NO charging handle. Zero gas to the face no matter what type of silencer you run.
I shoot a decent amount on my property. Ran the Kraft challenge and the 21 dots drill this morning with my 16” creedmoor running the ELD 123s. I went the suppressor route because of my neighbors. I have never actually had a complaint but I don’t want one. Sometimes I can really burn it down shooting a half case of 556 in a half day and I simply don’t want to offend folks. And my kids handle everything so much better when they are suppressed.
Only two problems with the suppressor is the awkward weight at the front of the rifle, and it just does not look nice. Other than that, it's the best thing ever, My daughter loves shooting
I’d say that depends on your setup. I’ve seen plenty of rifles that look great with a can, but my rifles were built knowing it was going to be suppressed eventually
I had a 50 BMG rifle for a while. Although it had a very effective muzzle brake the muzzle blast was absolutely ferocious. The suppressor would’ve been very helpful in that situation. I would very much like to hunt deer with a suppressor but my area is still shotgun only so that’s not really a viable option. Hopefully sometime in the future.
If I remember correctly I think I saw a legit shotgun suppressor on demolition ranch a few years ago. Probably like 4-5 years ago. Just look up "suppressor for shotgun demolition ranch". Apologies if I haven't remembered correctly.
Had too many concussions in yhe military. Brakes make me get foggy headed after a few shots Planning to get a hybrid 46, 45k, and huxwork filed this year. Not using them is a last resort
april 2020 to may 2021, saw 622,000 suppressor applications. At 15 people and 260 workdays a year that means each worker has to average about 160 applications per day for a year. No wonder that took so long during covid.
A new bill has been proposed in Congress (S.401 - Hearing Protection Act) that would remove suppressors from the NFA and prohibit states such as California from making it a felony to possess a suppressor. Hopefully, you can help that get some traction, and perhaps, this podcast could be shown to members of Congress.
Keep buying them and expose as many people as you can , and they will be in common use as well as common knowledge of the facts they are not Hollywood quite and actually help your hearing health
Only thing I don’t agree with here is “I can’t change the laws” you can effect culture in a huge way through this podcast, and plenty more ways to influence change in laws and repealing anti 2a laws.
What Site has a chart or info with ALL suppressors on the market that shows best to worst for sound deletion. would like to see what is the quietest to loudest chart
It would be nice to have a suppressor on all my rigs, but I can't even thank about paying this useless federal government a tax for something that reduces noise by 30 or 40 db's. Law makers need to get thier heads out of thier hind ends and tell the atf they don't actually have the authority to make laws or rules.
Funny, but I have no time for people who agree to knuckle under to a federal agency that's running around like a drunk prom date eating up extra hard earned cash from citizens.
You must look into it, but you could actually just buy one of the locally made suppressors for less than $200 worth in South Africa. Gun Warrior silencers in South Africa.
I have a question for anyone to answer. Ok i jump through the hoops and cough up 200 bucks and i get approved. For additional suppressers what is the process?
Start all over again, another $200 and another 11 month +/- wait. I have 3 and am getting ready to get a couple more and go around that merry-go-round again.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz It's one hell of a hinderance, and that's the point. They aren't complicated devices. If I wanted to, I could easily make one for every firearm in my collection. I'm not inclined to file paperwork, wait months, and pay thousands in extra taxes on that project. Not to mention all the nonsensical Rules and Law around NFA items, their transport, construction, and maintenance. Given the way the ATF has acted in recent years, I'm wary of doing anything they seem likely to change their mind on. The NFA IS a registry, and this ATF is provably populated by malicious asshats. So yes, technically, the NFA isn't stopping me. At least not any more than my willingness to comply with the law.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz With an attitude like that it would be advisable for you to stop talking. Anything you say will be held against you. If you do not comply, keep your mouth shut about it.
If only we could eliminate the "firearm" ridiculousness related to suppressors. Like you said, it is almost never even close to Hollywood and most other nations even have safety requirements related to hearing safety.
Now that I’m waiting for my suppressor I’m looking to buy a new rifle, cut and have a few milled. Or buy a new barrel all together. Around here it’s $200 for a cut and thread.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz yeah I know. But it’s something that could easily be repealed by today’s politicians if they had any understanding of what these things actually are/do
@@John50129 A South African wouldn't let a minor issue like legality stop him. Just walk confidently through the "nothing to declare" line and don't look back.
And yall got some things wrong. The nfa did add people to process forms. If there is something not correct on a form they are suppose to send it for repairs and you don't lose your place in line. Sws makes a 308 with 14in of rifling with a 8in baffle stack and a 21in can Works so good And the 7rm and 7prc are so wicked And gas guns that are just to cool Blackout with 8in of rifling and 8in baffle stack 16in barrel Only one stamp
You guys talk as if these suppressors are $10-$20, Do you guys think I can build a go fund me account?, so I can buy a suppressor for all my rifles, all 29 of them ? I know for all you ballers that's nothing, but my god, that took some fights with the boss lady to build my inventory. I don't buy suppressors because I don't support the ATF! I'M BOYCOTTING!🤣😂
"We are in a world where, if you don't have a suppressor, it's your own fault". At nearly $1000 or more for a can, many of us cannot justify the expense. I'd rather put that money toward another gun, a scope, or reloading components personally. As long as cans remain ridiculously expensive I will stick to muzzle brakes, or nothing at all.
Inflated prices caused by low demand. In Europe a titanium core suppressor can be had for around 600 Euros. Aluminum Cans, which are mighty fine for hunting, can be had from 300 Euros upwards.
Any machine shop can build a suppressor for about $200. It's not that complicated. There is no magic dust evolved. A diy-er can build one for less than $100.
Unfortunately you more wealthy guys who can afford suppressors are part of the problem. You can afford the money and the time to go through the hoops. I can barely afford so I can't afford ammo let alone a suppressor as well. What I also cannot do is afford to sue the US government for overstepping our constitutional rights. That being said, a group of Rich guys could afford it....
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz I don't have a lot of money to spend. Preachers don't make a lot of money unless they're lying to their congregation. Anyway as a result I probably don't own what you consider a good quality gun.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz in my case, this man Lacks lots of fluid cash. Which is sad because an adequate 22 lr rated suppressor could easily be made in my garage for under ten bucks. Then I would have to somehow find $200 for a tax stamp..... For an item that makes my gun safer to use.
The Europeans have been saying for decades that shooting a gun without a suppressor is like driving a car without a muffler. Just plane rude!
Right, and In Canada they are a prohibited device that can bring you up to 10 years in Jail. Idiot leftist politicians.
Plain?
Absolutely.....too loud.....deafening
I love the fact that your tax stamp pays into the general fund and is used to fight your freedom
Yep while simultaneously paying taxes to fund the people actively working to curtail your rights.
So funny how if you go overseas, most European countries, you just go to a shop and purchase. Here its such a lengthy process. My opinion is "the Tax Stamp" is the reason why. I personally think suppressors are awesome. The movie industry has destroyed the conception of suppressors. They are not silencers, as you all know, they suppress. Gret informational video guys.
True post.
It's just not enough money. Otherwise I'd agree.
@@userJohnSmith What's not enough money? The tax stamp? Do you know how much a suppressor costs? Price of entry is prohibitive for many shooters.
@@chipsawdust5816 Honestly think this was on the wrong thread...I have no idea.
Anytime someone brings that crap up, just ask if a muffler makes their car silent
I got my tax stamp a few weeks ago and finally shot my suppressor last weekend. What a difference. I will be buying another one soon! It took 1 day over 9 months to get my tax stamp!
Waiting on year 3 due to to moving complications. FtheNFA.
That SUCKS!!!@@seanridner1385
I noticed that with a suppressor recoil feels nice. I'm not 100% sure how to explain it 6:20 sums it up well
Im mainly a bolt rifle guy that does a lot of predator hunting. Here in the thick desert ive been leaning on an AR for very fast follow up shots on runners. Some of the areas shotguns work on maybe 1st shot but if there are 2 ur screwed. The AR makes it easier. Just got to try out my can hunting for the first time 2 days ago. LOVE IT. Way different experience.
Adjustable gas blocks help avoid being gassed out.
Here is an idea for Hornady. I saw a podcast where a hand loader was talking about using a different powder for short barrels to get better velocity. With so many going to 16-18” barrels to hunt suppressed they should make a short barrel line. They already have a lite line. For me in the East give me a 308 cx with faster burning powder.
Well if you look at test data, the same powders that produce the highest velocities in 20-24” barrels usually produce the highest velocities in 10-12” barrels.
There may be a few niche cases where that isn’t true. But it’s the general rule.
The biggest potential gain would be flash mitigation with a faster powder.
That's not how powder burn and velocity works. The powder that produces the best velocity in a long barrel, will produce the best velocity in a short barrel given the same cartridge. Hodgdon powder website has pistol length barrel load data for rifle cartridges. When you compare them to rifle length barrels in the same cartridges, the highest velocity powder is the same.
Superlative arms makes a good bleed off gas block, The jp silent capture buffer assembly is a nice addition to a suppressed ar15
Have you tested loads with the superlative block in restriction Vs. bleed off mode?? I'm curious if it changes the group size at all for a given load. I have one, but haven't gotten into testing that yet. I'm also curious if there is a noticeable difference in how clean or dirty the rifle gets, based on the mode you use.
What bothers me the most, other than the infringement on rights that "shall not be infringed" is that when you send in the paperwork to ATF you've given them everything they need to process the paperwork. All they do to my knowledge, and perhaps I'm wrong is enter your information into their system, perform a background check... the same check they do in any gun shop in 5 minutes and then they put on a stamp, and mail it back. I'd like to know EXACTLY why it takes so long. My first can was approved in 11 months, the next one took almost 14.
Tell me about it my buddy waited about 14 months maybe 15, my first one was 11 months. Especially since they have so many people working there, that we are also paying for (if I’m not mistaken) paying people to take our money and wait exorbitant amounts of time to exercise our rights is the best example of how redundant and ironic the government is.
@@HorchataFan It's intentional to deter you from applying for infringement stamps. The Deputy AG explicitly stated this during the 1934 NFA hearings. These were criminals in government positions working for the Mafia, not legitimate public servants.
He explained to Congress that making the $200 stamp tax was designed to make NFA items effectively unobtainable for the people.
My first can was approved in 4 weeks. My SBR and SBS took months and months.
Government efficiency, and they wanted to decide my medical coverage , no thank you
So glad you brought up the SML. I’m at 215+ days into my wait for my ECCO Machine .458 Accipiter that will go on my converted CVA Scout, among various other bolt guns.
After years of shooting pigs from "Buggies" in West Texas we all decided to suppress all our rifles about 7 years ago so no one wound up with ringing ears. We learned the pigs still run after their buddy gets thumped, but they might just run toward us because the bullet impact on the buddy was louder than the muzzle blast and they run from the noise.
Suppressors are freely available here in New Zealand. I have one on my .223 Rem and fast twist Martini .32-20. They have pluses and minuses.
I just got my banish 46 haven't put it on yet, I also have a banish 30 I bought 4 years ago, as you have said I should have ordered 2 right away
After getting a couple of .30cal cans and a rimfire can a few years ago, I would say that I'd sell guns in order to have a suppressor rather than have multiple rifles and no suppressor. Less recoil, rimfire-level noise, less impact on the surrounding game, and the ability to hear the bullet hit. I shot a running feral pig this spring that went out of sight and I knew I'd hit him just by the sound of the impact. No blood trail, but I did find him. Might not have know he was even hit if I'd been shooting unsuppressed. Like thermal/NV, good suppressors are becoming more advanced each year, which allows some "budget" options that offer a ton of bang for the buck, compared to 5 or 10 years ago.
Guys - you really need to index a podcast this long. The anecdotes are fun, but I want to know about the purchasing process and selecting the specific device. IOW construction trade offs.
I hunt/shoot with ear pro, plugs or muffs depending on air temp. A sound forwarder gets rid of the concussion for the shooter.
Thats what I noticed with 223 on the Witt SME, the sonic crack will still give you a ring but it takes care of the muzzle blast that makes you deaf
My Thunder Chicken handles the 7 PRC well.
A suppressed .22 target pistol is a must have.
My experience with the Omega 300 (attached via the brake, as well as the anchor brake) is that it mitigates the recoil significantly more than the Apollo brake that I had on it before. And there’s absolutely no need for ears despite the anchor brake on the end.
If you're shooting supersonic ammunition you should wear ear protection.
Surpressors are most effective with subsonic ammo
Shoot supersonic thru the surpressor
Then shoot subsonic
,9 mil-115 grain is supersonic
.9 mil 147 grain is subsonic
Significant difference in the crack when it leaves the barrel
Thanks a lot for that. That really helped piece together a lot of information that I already had and gave me information that I didn't know
Great to hear!
My goal is a can for each weapon. Up to 5 now. Suppressed pistols are kinda lame. Suppressed sub-guns are fire. Oss/hux for gas guns and baffles for bolt guns. And suppressed rim fire is awesome.
Oss/hux?? Asa (another silly acronym.
I appreciate your topic gentlemen!!! I recently ordered through Silencer Central and search out all information available as I wait. I couldn't hit the play button fast enough, when I saw your topic.
Right on
Hey, i love your Podcast!
Greetings from Germany.
I have a question: A-tec came up with a muzzle Brake end cap. So you got a supressor and after that a Brake. Does this reduce recoil even more?
And more important does the gun stay quiet or does the Brake after the supressor increase sound Volume?
For example:
Supressor only -35dB
Same Supressor + Brake Endcap lower recoil but only - 25dB?
Part of the reason you notice that animals have erratic and unpredictable reactions to suppressed fire is because, downrange, it is more difficult to determine where the fire is coming from when the shot is suppressed.
Animals walk across active shooting ranges all the time with active unsuppressed fire so I would say animals behavior is itself unpredictable.
Agreed, but this is an exacerbating factor. That is why I said, "Part of the reason..." @@SaneAsylum
Q: What do I get immediately from shooting suppressed?
A: Aroused.
I use my Omega 300 on my AR I don't have a problem with gas blow back.
Wish the laws in the US for this ONE issue were more like the UK. The rest of the UK laws are bunk. But this one they have is reasonable and I would love to get the ATF out of the process. It only delays and makes much more expensive the use of suppressors for the average shooter.
In South Africa you can buy supressors over the counter. At least citizens can, yet we are the land of the “free”…
14 cans
4 SBR
2 SBS
Not as free as you think ....
The largest caliber air rifle is .22
@@John50129oh I know we are t near about as free as we like to think. The only country in the world with a “right” to firearms, yet also the only country in the world where barrel length matters…
And they make 50 caliber air rifles
Animals definitely act differently when you shoot suppressed. I help a couple of farmers who have problems with deer eating their soybeans when they're just coming up. They put my name on the Depredation Permits that they get from Game and Fish. I use a Ruger Predator in 6mm Creedmoor equipped with a Gemtech Dagger suppressor. The range to the deer typically runs between 250 to 450 yards. If 3-5 deer come into the field at the same time, I can usually kill all of them. They may look up when the first couple of deer hit the ground but will not run off. Some time they may jog off a few yards but will stop, trying to figure out what's going on. On a good afternoon stand I can kill 10-12 deer. In 3-4 days I'll usually kill 25-30 deer, which usually takes care of the depredation problem for that field. The suppressor really helps
Bear Creek Arsenal makes side chargers where the upper is sealed. There is NO charging handle. Zero gas to the face no matter what type of silencer you run.
I shoot a decent amount on my property. Ran the Kraft challenge and the 21 dots drill this morning with my 16” creedmoor running the ELD 123s. I went the suppressor route because of my neighbors. I have never actually had a complaint but I don’t want one. Sometimes I can really burn it down shooting a half case of 556 in a half day and I simply don’t want to offend folks. And my kids handle everything so much better when they are suppressed.
I have watched many of these videos about suppressors. What is the cost of a suppressor for a 350 Legen?
Only two problems with the suppressor is the awkward weight at the front of the rifle, and it just does not look nice.
Other than that, it's the best thing ever, My daughter loves shooting
I’d say that depends on your setup. I’ve seen plenty of rifles that look great with a can, but my rifles were built knowing it was going to be suppressed eventually
I had a 50 BMG rifle for a while. Although it had a very effective muzzle brake the muzzle blast was absolutely ferocious. The suppressor would’ve been very helpful in that situation. I would very much like to hunt deer with a suppressor but my area is still shotgun only so that’s not really a viable option. Hopefully sometime in the future.
If I remember correctly I think I saw a legit shotgun suppressor on demolition ranch a few years ago. Probably like 4-5 years ago. Just look up "suppressor for shotgun demolition ranch". Apologies if I haven't remembered correctly.
I just had a look, Hickock45 has a video on one
They make shotgun suppressors too 😊
@@nimrodmar10 I have not found any that are rated for sabots. Maybe I’m missing some.
Love them the only thing i dont like is all the carbon build up in barrel and its hard to get it out ..
Where's the Elk bugle at the top! I loved that part...
Had too many concussions in yhe military. Brakes make me get foggy headed after a few shots
Planning to get a hybrid 46, 45k, and huxwork filed this year. Not using them is a last resort
What is the quietest suppressor for .338 ARC, bolt action?
I only shoot suppressed. Have shot at groups of deer and the often run towards me after the first shot. They have no idea where the sound came from.
So what wold
Be a great suppressor for a 6.5 creed bolt gun?
In 1934 the US was on a gold standard. A $200 tax stamp was 5.715 ounces of gold, at current ~$1900 gold price that is ~$10,850 dollars today.
april 2020 to may 2021, saw 622,000 suppressor applications. At 15 people and 260 workdays a year that means each worker has to average about 160 applications per day for a year. No wonder that took so long during covid.
Where are you getting the numbers of workers from? I doubt they only have 15 people working on that.
@@codywithrow7993 it was mentioned in this podcast.
@@caseyl3631 I know I mean where those came from in general, I’m seeing 2019 they mentioned having 29 NFA examiners.
A new bill has been proposed in Congress (S.401 - Hearing Protection Act) that would remove suppressors from the NFA and prohibit states such as California from making it a felony to possess a suppressor. Hopefully, you can help that get some traction, and perhaps, this podcast could be shown to members of Congress.
Oh yeah baby!!!
Keep buying them and expose as many people as you can , and they will be in common use as well as common knowledge of the facts they are not Hollywood quite and actually help your hearing health
Only thing I don’t agree with here is “I can’t change the laws” you can effect culture in a huge way through this podcast, and plenty more ways to influence change in laws and repealing anti 2a laws.
What Site has a chart or info with ALL suppressors on the market that shows best to worst for sound deletion. would like to see what is the quietest to loudest chart
That was on vortexs podcast
It would be nice to have a suppressor on all my rigs, but I can't even thank about paying this useless federal government a tax for something that reduces noise by 30 or 40 db's. Law makers need to get thier heads out of thier hind ends and tell the atf they don't actually have the authority to make laws or rules.
Or there dumb ass interpretations
Funny, but I have no time for people who agree to knuckle under to a federal agency that's running around like a drunk prom date eating up extra hard earned cash from citizens.
I've been wondering what kind of 30 cal suppressor to get for rifles
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz 308 6.5 prc bolt guns. Maybe 300blackout. Was thinking maybe the rugged Alaskan so I could use it on a 9mm
Despite this podcast being completely irrelevant to me because I live in California, I will enjoy it all the same!
Sad how everyone just accepts this and Californians elect the same old fossils year after year.
You must look into it, but you could actually just buy one of the locally made suppressors for less than $200 worth in South Africa. Gun Warrior silencers in South Africa.
ITAR pretty well puts a kibash on that, sadly.
ITAR?? ASA(Another Silly Acronym)
I have a question for anyone to answer. Ok i jump through the hoops and cough up 200 bucks and i get approved. For additional suppressers what is the process?
Start all over again, another $200 and another 11 month +/- wait. I have 3 and am getting ready to get a couple more and go around that merry-go-round again.
IMHO a Suppressor/Silencer/Can is a safety device. If OSHA inspected a range they would require them. 😂🤣
I wish the NFA would get out of the way. I'd have a suppressor on everything. It's a gun muffler.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz It's one hell of a hinderance, and that's the point. They aren't complicated devices. If I wanted to, I could easily make one for every firearm in my collection. I'm not inclined to file paperwork, wait months, and pay thousands in extra taxes on that project. Not to mention all the nonsensical Rules and Law around NFA items, their transport, construction, and maintenance.
Given the way the ATF has acted in recent years, I'm wary of doing anything they seem likely to change their mind on. The NFA IS a registry, and this ATF is provably populated by malicious asshats.
So yes, technically, the NFA isn't stopping me. At least not any more than my willingness to comply with the law.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz With an attitude like that it would be advisable for you to stop talking. Anything you say will be held against you. If you do not comply, keep your mouth shut about it.
If only we could eliminate the "firearm" ridiculousness related to suppressors. Like you said, it is almost never even close to Hollywood and most other nations even have safety requirements related to hearing safety.
Now that I’m waiting for my suppressor I’m looking to buy a new rifle, cut and have a few milled. Or buy a new barrel all together. Around here it’s $200 for a cut and thread.
You failed to mention increase velocity albeit only a small amount and it generally increases accuracy.
I have with & without suppressor targeting data for15 different 308 Win sniper rifles, mostly no effect on group size.
The people who make laws/policy on suppressors watch entirely too many spy movies
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz yeah I know. But it’s something that could easily be repealed by today’s politicians if they had any understanding of what these things actually are/do
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz fair point
Podcast around hunt camp it what I'm hearing 😁. Great podcast once again thank you Red Empire
Thanks Bud!
Seth must not realize lever and pump action rifles exist
So you came to South Africa and needed a suppressor... Why didn't you just buy one? They're about as regulated as candy bars here.
True. But you can't bring it back to the US.
@@John50129 A South African wouldn't let a minor issue like legality stop him. Just walk confidently through the "nothing to declare" line and don't look back.
You can change the rules.
Just because we may not own a suppressor does not mean it is our own fault. Several states do not allow suppressors.
Get some.
And yall got some things wrong.
The nfa did add people to process forms.
If there is something not correct on a form they are suppose to send it for repairs and you don't lose your place in line.
Sws makes a 308 with 14in of rifling with a 8in baffle stack and a 21in can
Works so good
And the 7rm and 7prc are so wicked
And gas guns that are just to cool
Blackout with 8in of rifling and 8in baffle stack
16in barrel
Only one stamp
Why TF are yall shooting coyotes and prarie dogs for no good reason?
They love to take life.
Not paying the government to have one
Is it just me or does Seth always introduce himself as "Sess"?
Best reason to use a silencer while hunting: you still have toilet paper for the nature dump after the hunt.😂
LOL
fad
yeah dont waste your time with a paper form 4, average wait time for the paper page 4 is 67 months
You guys talk as if these suppressors are $10-$20, Do you guys think I can build a go fund me account?, so I can buy a suppressor for all my rifles, all 29 of them ? I know for all you ballers that's nothing, but my god, that took some fights with the boss lady to build my inventory. I don't buy suppressors because I don't support the ATF! I'M BOYCOTTING!🤣😂
"We are in a world where, if you don't have a suppressor, it's your own fault".
At nearly $1000 or more for a can, many of us cannot justify the expense. I'd rather put that money toward another gun, a scope, or reloading components personally. As long as cans remain ridiculously expensive I will stick to muzzle brakes, or nothing at all.
Suppressed is worth it even at 2000 you really dont know until you do it
@@chiefmachining7972 I've shot suppressed rifles, and I disagree personally. To each their own.
@@josephkupper4061 Yeah you shot some but don't own any between being be quiet, lower muzzle blast, more kid friendly, tactical training
Inflated prices caused by low demand. In Europe a titanium core suppressor can be had for around 600 Euros. Aluminum Cans, which are mighty fine for hunting, can be had from 300 Euros upwards.
Any machine shop can build a suppressor for about $200. It's not that complicated. There is no magic dust evolved. A diy-er can build one for less than $100.
Unfortunately you more wealthy guys who can afford suppressors are part of the problem. You can afford the money and the time to go through the hoops. I can barely afford so I can't afford ammo let alone a suppressor as well. What I also cannot do is afford to sue the US government for overstepping our constitutional rights. That being said, a group of Rich guys could afford it....
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz I don't have a lot of money to spend. Preachers don't make a lot of money unless they're lying to their congregation. Anyway as a result I probably don't own what you consider a good quality gun.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz in my case, this man Lacks lots of fluid cash. Which is sad because an adequate 22 lr rated suppressor could easily be made in my garage for under ten bucks. Then I would have to somehow find $200 for a tax stamp..... For an item that makes my gun safer to use.