Dust Moto Alpha Prototype "IN DEPTH"
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
- Dust Moto is a new American Made Electric Motorcycle brand with a unique design philosophy. In this video we go deep into the Dust Moto Alpha prototype electric motorcycle with Colin (CEO of Dust Moto). This bike was assembled mere days before and we got the opportunity to ride it and, for a very first prototype, we are blown away how well it rode.
Dust utilized the Founders 50 program to source funding towards creating this new mid-sized class bike. It's very exciting to follow the build process of this bike from the ground up. Head over to both ours and their Instagram to see how this bike progresses through the journey!
00:00 Intro
00:45 CEO Interview
02:08 Bike Comparisons
03:50 Target Price
05:25 Alpha
07:15 What's an Alpha?
09:00 Launch Bike
10:07 Smiles Per Mile
12:17 Founders 50
14:55 Alpha Specs
17:38 Brakes
19:50 What's Next 
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This is the bike I need to be matched up with. Let's get this thing in production sooner the better
Proper dirtbike suspension, appropriate power to weight ratio, and a great price point... can't wait! Love my Ultra Bee but I'm ready for some new players in the market.
This concept is an ideal balance of size, weight, power and performance for me and what I like to do. I also love the hand brakes. I had reserved a Varg but it is maybe more bike than I really need or want. I think if you can bring this to market, it will be a nearly ideal combination for many people.
Agreed^^^^
Agreed
I love seeing an American company get into the emoto scene. It will be difficult to compete with pricing coming out of China but we can expect the quality to be on point.
Me too so nice to see
Can't wait for this to be available! Got to see it in person at A2, and was really impressed. Very cool team
Another great video. Thanks guys!
I just did 2 days in Idaho City on my Varg and it was amazing. I rode with buddies on their 450s and 300xc. I took my ktm 250xc to trade off and it never left the trailer. The weight is a big deal and the range is also a concern. The rear brake on the bars is a game changer and I never needed a clutch on even the rockiest rootiest sections. I never went above 42hp and rode most of the time in 22 and 30hp modes and had an absolute blast. I want 180 lbs, 40 miles at 20-40hp, 18 inch gummy on the rear and 29 inch on the front (you read that right because my 29er emtb goes over obstacles way better than any dirt bike), and I want just enough suspension to do some smaller sand woops and larger breaking bumps.
Love the size and power of this bike
Give us 50 true trail miles at a fast Enduro pace
never going to happen until there is a MAJOR advancement in battery technology.
Exactly. One day. When I can do an 8hr day at 13k feet. You have all my money! Make the brakes so we can switch them left or right
@@JoshStreetDesign Not necessarily. The upgraded battery for the Ultra Bee should be able to give you about that now. Check out Electric Cycle Rider stage 3.
@@jimji2774 bro I have an Alta MXR with a battery that's almost the same size as the Stark battery, and I kill that thing in like 10 miles in colder weather with how hard I ride in the sand.
@@yzrider927 You can do that now. Just switch the lines going to the levers.
This is a game changer the way they are trying to cater to every rider is amazing. Like the fact they might have a foot brake if people want it or full hand controls. That says they truly care about the rider and the experience I’m so excited for this bike to come to full production!
The level of systems engineer that this project is being approached with is just phenomenal. I can't imagine anything but success for this company if they nail the production and manufacturing like they seem to be doing with the design.
With that if you ever want feedback from a test engineer who is in the 250 moto class consumer market, reach out. SoCal has plenty of great MX tracks to make that happen.
I love everything about this. And being a hard core rider for over 40 years in the PNW it is so fun to watch. Great marketing and smart Fer's over there. Let's GO!!! :>)
Oh, And I had an AJP PR4 and PR5 which are 5/8th sized bikes and the advantages of that size in tight PNW gnar can't be overlooked. OK, carry on.
this bike is amazing. I Love all the construction process🔥🔥🔥🔥
People love the weight, but don’t realise at this power and small battery, it’s gonna be out of juice super fast. Even the Varg with double the battery only does like 40 miles
I was really excited about the Dust Moto until I realized how small the battery is. Otherwise, it looks like a great product - I hope it sells well.
I wouldn't worry about the battery not being big enough yet as they are building this as a trail bike and this is just an Alpha prototype to test ergonomics ect. They are getting enough feedback in their development to give us what we need at least I sure hope as I put my money down on one of the 1st 150 !
@@jimji2774 more battery will mean more weight. If you view this as a short burst backyard playbike, it looks awesome. Just don’t expect more miles out of it than a free ride-e
@@jimji2774 they did outline in the specs for the 150 that the battery will have 3.5kWh
@@SouthCentral-re9bn This is a bike in development and they are in communication with their investors. I would hope they will be offering options including battery size like Artic Leopard is doing. For me 5 kwh would be the minimum I would want and I will be giving them my 2 cents about that. If it can't get 40 miles I will get the Artic L instead.
I'll take one now ! Always changed my dirt bikes to lhrb and loved them for enduro riding. Also changed to auto clutch so I am a perfect candidate for electric.
Interested to hear more specs on the battery on the controller. With that size battery and peaking 24kw, I can't imagine ride times would be too long. Do you know the continuous kw?
Love what these guys are doing 🤘⚡
Please make a model with a CLUTCH if you want to stand out from the crowd. The hard enduro (and technical singletrack) segment is lacking options (aside from EM.) Without a clutch a lot of people are going to just keep scrolling. Also, with Weight and range at odds with one another, what about some kind of modular battery capability? (If you can add the capability to add a second battery in parallel, you will allow a person to run "a half tank of gas" for shorter rides, and have a lighter bike.)
Finally a American electric bike! Are parts all going to be USA sourced? Built in house?
Love it!
I need one.
I WANT ONE !!!!!
I was crazy enough to put a deposit on this thing to get one of the first 150. Doing some math if they get 150 people giving them $500/mo which is their program then that is $75K/mo and almost $1.5 million by the end of the 15 mo payoff to produce these things. Its not a car so hopefully that will be enough to bring these babies to market. I also think it is the best looking e moto out there which doesn't hurt sales either. Hope it was a good investment and they don't lag in production too much like the car companies.
You made a great choice! They are pushing extremely hard to bring the best possible product to market as soon as they can!
Looking good. It's certainly the appealing size to me. Look at Sur-ron.., Light Bee too small, Storm Bee big pig, and the decent Ultra that needs all the mods. Amazing that Surron hasn't responded to market demands, at least put the right size wheels on it. They did have the advantage of being in the market for a bit already. I'll be waiting for the Dragon and Dust hit the market.
A local dealer has 5 Ultra's and hasn't sold any since last fall. They will be available cheap and saw one used one so far.
Yes, I don't need or want 80 HP, you would think a motor isn't as efficient at low power when it's wound for such a high output?
Good suspension, reasonable range and 21/18" wheels.
Presently ride a Yamy dual sport and a Rocky Powerplay Emtb, plus a pile of regular bikes.
I'm wondering if one of the issues with the Ultra Bee is that they have to be sold through a motorsports dealer, whereas the Light Bee can be sold at a bike shop (at least here in California). The difference being the moto dealer charges a number of additional fees on top of the MSRP, whereas you can get your Light Bee at (or below) MSRP through a place like Luna Cycle with free shipping and all that.
So my guess is that customers coming from a Light Bee experience sticker shock when inquiring at the dealer about purchasing a new Ultra Bee. I can say that this has been the case with me to some degree. I called a local motorcycle dealer about the Ultra and they quoted me a price of well over $8k out the door after taxes and fees. Man, talk about a buzz kill.
Yep agree with all your points. I was hoping Surron would update the Ultra this year with 21/18 but no luck. I was stoked for the Dragon (I currently have a Talaria) but the weight is more than I had hoped. I also expected to have a lot more information on it by now. The Varg is way outta my budget and heavy. The dust looks interesting, but price is everything for me and unfortunately looks to be a next year product (earliest).
that was bad ass !!!
Handbrakes are unbelievable, trust in your intuitive interface with faster real-time reactions.
Any room for more crowd funding from a emoto guy with Alta, sur Ron, Kuberg and EE5 experiences.
Did he just drop the “ Ultra Bee• Bomb” 😂👾
$7999 would be a sweet jumping off point for the Alpha.
Stark Varg is going take some beating
Very tempted to join the first100 program...what kind of range are they expecting on this bike for the back country type riders?
On their website, they say up to around 40 miles for singletrack riding. I just joined the First100. I'm hoping they give us F100's a discount on spare batteries as well, since I plan to take this thing to the MX track from time to time and want to be able to get more than 1 hour of hard riding in.
Put into 4 kwh battery and this is the BEST
I don't think 4Kwh will be enough for a lot of potential buyers (myself included). I've seen Vargs trail ridden @ 40Hp(30Kw) with a 6.5Kwh battery go about 40 miles. I doubt 4Kwh @ 25KW will go much more than 30 miles ridden aggressively. The problem is if you want to ride with 300s, they can go 50+ miles on a tank.
Leaving you the alternative of riding at 50% of your potential making your buddies wait 1 minute for every 5 you ride or ...PUSH back to the truck trying to go 40+ miles at their pace.
Sadly, unti energy density improves 50%, this is just another nice design that you can't ride with dirtbikes.
Heaps cheaper and Heaps lighter than the Stark Varg , you have already got my complete attention. Great job guys , please don't have black frames .
"Heaps cheaper"? Isn't the targeted price of the Dust around $10k? I mean, sure... 3 grand is nothing to scoff at, but I'm not sure how that qualifies as 'heaps cheaper'.
This seems to be the right track. To me, the key issues are weight and range. Get a 200# bike that easily goes 40+ miles, and I'll whip out my credit card. Won't even look at the price. I'm tall; make the bike easily modded for height. The secret footpeg plate switch on the Freeride is to be emulated; modding without $$. A base model that can be adapted for track or trail, sure, But an "XC-W killer" would, again, make me whip out the credit card, no questions asked. All the discussion about the rear brake? Get over it. I seamlessly switch from my RHRB on my Mt Bike, to my LHRB on my 300 to a footbrake on my Tenere. And I'm an idiot. Besides, the wheelie kings really like that hand brake opposite the throttle. Did anyone complain when they took your high beams off the floor?
60hp version
Is plenty I don't see anyone using 80hp much
Going to be Rad for sure!
Rear brake on the foot peg! Would be nice
Have you tried left hand rear brake? As a person who's ridden traditional foot brake and rear hand brake, I think the hand brake is superior.
i hope they can implement adjustable rear suspention
What do you mean by adjustable? If you're talking about quality suspension like the upgraded shocks we sell with adjustable Rebound, Compression, Sag, Spring Rates....yes that is the plan. :)
No like two suspention positions that charges the Geometry
When is this coming to the market?
Good question! Follow Dust Moto on instagram, they update everything as it goes
An Ultra Bee is $6449. I am going for that when I sell my Sur ron.
If you're happy with stock, then it's definitely a great buy. But the Dust Moto is the better value if you're looking for more power (2x of the Ultra), superior suspension, and 21/18(or 19)" wheels. Those upgrades alone to an Ultra Bee would increase the cost well over that of a stock Dust.
This is literally the perfect wife bike. Super minis are too small.
125’s are too tall and require a lot of effort to ride well.
My wife wants to ride but she’s not trying to grind through the learning curve. She just wants to go out and have fun. I wish it was ready now.
Just just both at the same time stunt bikes do
Man if this bike is going for $10k someone could really make a killing doing qs138 builds on 125 rollers. Would be about the same class as this bike, maybe lighter and build costs are under $4k, sell for $7.5k make $3.5k.
Seems like the ultra beat them to the punch
Looks better than the stark
For 10k probably should just get a stark varg
Varg is a totally different experience tho. I personally don't want a bike as big, heavy, and powerful as the Varg. The $9,300 price tag (First100 perk) is worth it to me, as the size/power/weight of the Dust is a lot more appealing to me. Especially considering you'd end up at well over $10k to get an Ultra Bee to the same level of spec as the Dust.
I don’t want maximum performance… I want awesome suspension with fun power and maximum fun for my size 5’10” 190lbs.
My current bike is 2022 Honda CRF250F which has good power but horrible suspension, and is super heavy.
My wife is 5’7” and loves the size of the Kawasaki KLX140RF which is perfect size, and weight for her but needs better suspension and EFI…
We both would love a Dust that fit each of us perfectly… I would definitely lay down the dollars.
perfect electric bike! the stark varg and for other upcoming full size bikes the math doesnt add up. they must be unreliable and problematic, especially bad at low speeds. a mid size bike is logical though, a slightly lower top speed. lighter body weight, built properly to fit its rated specs so the dust motor must be a much more reliable bike, and an American made bike! none of that Chinese trash here, we got good production quality and fair worker wages!
Most Important to me - Real suspension- KYB or WP full size -- pit bike suspension is not good enough
No small batteries please. At least have the option for big batteries for big range.
Ok, I guess I needed to keep watching more before I posted this comment. 🙂
hah! Thanks for the comment, like you saw later in the video they do plan to launch with a larger battery and have multiple options and price points.
What is the height of rider in video?
5'8"
all i care about is range and lightweight like my eride pro SS
why are you being cryptic ? how much does it weigh ? what's is the horse power? what's the price point ? what's the range ? this is like a giant tease !! damn it i got worked !!
We actually cover most of that in the video. This bike is a prototype it's not ready for release and we will have much more specific information available when it gets closer to production.
@@ChargedCycleWorks I like it !
Why cant riders get a hand brake and a foot brake why are we forced to choose? Polaris has had both running one rear disc for 20+ years. So like you said take the things that work and are on the market and use them, its kinda like if you wanted to build the most custom bike ever you would buy each part individually from the manufacturer that specializes in that one part and has spent all the R&D into making it the best part. Its all ready been made just use it.
Have both a hand and foot break on my surron. The foot break is regen. Works well for me.
These bikes r like the banshee with automatic transmission. Much quicker the a 450
Dude.. range range range. That battery is tiny
Why would i not just get a varg at 60hp lol for 13k if u in 10k lol
For motocross racing you should spend more and buy the Varg, nothing compares to it on the MX track.
Dibbs
It's cool. Put a clutch on it so we can ride enduro with it. I know it's not a simple task but it would fill the hole in these things. Without a clutch its just a high end Surron.
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Please make the ergonomics dirt bike correct like Beta did with the X Trainer. KTM even screwed it up with the Freeride.
I’m waiting for my Varg and wanted to get an electric dirt bike for my daughter to cross train on (she’s a pro mountain bike racer)… but every bike we tried feels like Sh*t except the Surron Ultra Bee with 21/18 wheels. The rest of them are stink bug nose low, soft forks and a stiff tall rear end feel, and a horrible rider triangle.
From what I see here you guys are headed down the right path. That said…that’s what Rawrr says about the Mantis and it is by far the worst of the bikes we rode. Total garbage.
If you build a scaled down Varg with correct ergonomics…. I just might be a customer.
Get that battery up around 5 kwh or get dismissed by most riders of gas biles. 2.9 is a joke and even 3.9 will keep it in play bike category. Domt dissappont us usa.
Blah. Just gimme a Surron or a Talaria with a VIN# and a MCO so I can plate it.
Just say no
We need an enduro specific version. The ultra bee's have potential but they come stock with shit suspension, shit brakes, and the wrong wheels. Add at least $5k to the price if you want a legit moto. Surron must sell so many bikes worlwide despite not being a "real" bike. This bike looks to be about the same size as the Beta Xtrainer which is a good size for most people.
How does the ultra have shit brakes…? And curious where is this 5k coming from? Upgraded fork $700, ext rear shock $1400 and 18/21 wheels $900 …
@@surronsd The EXT fork is how much. The EXT shock is how much? You know you want a controller and battery right? What brand brakes are they? There you go.
@@grantbowen5047I literally just listed the prices… 🙄 all together is 3k not 5k, just swapping to Torp tc1000 bumps power from 12.5kw to 17kw…. Still under 5k… battery is the most expensive part in yet not 100% necessary to be an incredible trail bike. Brake rotors are from the front of a crf250… calipers/levers aren’t even bad and have better modulation then the brembos on the ktm free ride-e… who is having issues with Ultrabee brakes..? Easy to assume they are shit when you don’t own one, or even ridden one I guess.
@@surronsd I have ridden all the Surron's, stock and modded. They are fine if you are doing flow trails and light duty riding. The components on the Freeride e are not very good either and that thing is not a good value over all. Honestly, after owning Beta, GasGas, Husky, KTM and Surron, the KTM XCW is the best performance and value out there. You can ride that thing out of the box and not need to do a single thing. I think the Surron guys like to buy parts and tinker more than actually ride.
@@surronsd The EXT fork is $2000 and the shock is $1200. $1000 for the wheels once you get tires and tubliss or whatever you want to run. Shipping and a few guards and you are at $5k easy. Maff
I quit watching when they said 25kw
Why?
This is just a Arctic leopard ext 800 re skin
Haha no it’s not they posted every step of their build. From the frame up being hand welded, to the electrical components, suspension etc nothing is shared with artic leopard lol
Same motor same power. ext have more battery and weighs like 30lbs less and it is cheaper. Suspension is probably way better on this bike tho along with it looking like a dirt bike and and not some trials bike mutation thing
You just said it was a reskin…. I pointed out that it’s not a reskin at all. Hand tig welded chassis, QS motor, real suspension, legit moto brakes, proper plastics. The only two things that are like the xt800 is it has 2 wheels and power output is the same.
They do use the same QS motor but I get ur point
"Assembled in america" with 100% nothing but chinese pieces. Absolutely hilarious the amount of surron and e dirtbike clones that pop up now adays. Just trash copying trash. We wonder why out environments and man kinda itself are so far gone now adays. RIP. ☠️😂☠️
Wow what a monster! Made In USA Baby 🙌🏼🫡