This Is Why WRC 8 Is Better Than Dirt Rally 2.0!

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  • @TMGaming
    @TMGaming  4 года назад +32

    Oh right cause this video get attentions and views still. I would like to clarify something. I don't dislike or hate DiRT Rally 2.0. I have a lot of videos on DiRT Rally 2.0 and i really enjoy the handling and the cars that the game offers. I hate the DLC policy the game had for sure but that's the only thing. I just feel like overally WRC 8 is a more enjoyable experience than Dirt Rally 2.0. Whenever someone asks me which of the two games to buy, i simply respond with both, because they're both special on their own respective ways. Now I know you codemasters fanboys get triggered but it's my opinion at the end of the day and you should really appreciate the fact that Codemasters finally have some competition in the Rally universe.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +8

      Well this didn't age well 😂 Codemasters will have the WRC licence from 2023 and onwards.

    • @Nobo35
      @Nobo35 4 года назад +4

      TMGaming that’s because WRC 8 is pure crap. The physics are TERRIBLE.

    • @embraerally2208
      @embraerally2208 3 года назад +3

      @@Nobo35 Physics aren't at all that bad, if anything some physics in WRC 8 and 9 are better such as tarmac physics, and in mine and TMGamings I find the game quite enjoyable, the game could definitely improve but so could Dirt Rally 2.0, just like console wars and phone wars it's shouldn't be about what other people think about the product it should be about what you think, stop spreading negativity

    • @tbmdd
      @tbmdd 3 года назад +1

      @@TMGaming lololol

  • @tegworld
    @tegworld 4 года назад +114

    A 9 second penalty for killing spectators seems a bit lenient!!!

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +8

      Have to agree with you mate 😂

    • @GfcgamerOrgon
      @GfcgamerOrgon 4 года назад +4

      They should send pilot to the court lol

    • @enthused1286
      @enthused1286 4 года назад +7

      eh, these spectators got a death wish anyway

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@enthused1286 hahaha sad but true. Rally spectators are brave af

    • @frogboyx1Gaming
      @frogboyx1Gaming 4 года назад

      Not when they start accumulating, it could add minutes to your overall time, my first few attempts were around 20 minutes on this stage, now I am around 13 to 14 minutes. But it is by far my favorite track, next is Turkey, followed by Germany, and Croatia. The tarmac stages are amazing on this game with a wheel setup, gravel stages not so much.

  • @Nobo35
    @Nobo35 4 года назад +58

    Goes across a bridge in Argentina, “See! You don’t have stuff like that in Dirt Rally 2.0!” Dirt rally 2 literally has the exact same bridges😂😂😂

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +3

      Hahaha this is not a biased review 😂 The bridges really do feel different. But Dirt is a very good game

    • @IvanNino
      @IvanNino 4 года назад +2

      It's the same stage you have on DR 😂 And in DR it looks better though

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      @@IvanNino It feels different though it's not exactly the same 😂😂

    • @kapilbusawah7169
      @kapilbusawah7169 4 года назад +2

      TMGaming why is everything disagreeing with cry laughing 😂😂😂😂

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      @@kapilbusawah7169 They love me I guess 😂

  • @hibro2596
    @hibro2596 4 года назад +59

    Sees title:
    It’s not.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +5

      😂😂 Hope you enjoy my DiRT Rally 2 videos then

    • @alexsp7086
      @alexsp7086 3 года назад +2

      Had Dirt 2.0 for so long. Bought this yesterday and sorry WRC8 is sooo much better in terms of Courses and visuals. Dirt 2.0 seems like your always on the same course.

  • @enthused1286
    @enthused1286 4 года назад +18

    love my group B in dr2. the tracks in wrc are much better though. dr2 co-driver is much better, though both games seem to suffer from bad calls. both are good games

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      DiRT Rally 2.0 is better on some aspects and worse on some others. Both enjoyable to be honest with DiRT having the classic rally advantage but WRC 8 giving you that extra immersion.

  • @kapilbusawah7169
    @kapilbusawah7169 4 года назад +5

    I do agree, the stages are more fun on WRC but I really like DiRT Rally 2.0. It does have great Rally Cross racing and handling though. DiRT Rally 2 has more attention to details too but one thing I really want both of these games to have is VR support. DiRT Rally had VR and it was amazing, these two for certain should've launched with it!

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Dirt Rally 2.0 now has VR support!

  • @Thisisaweirdthing2makeusdo
    @Thisisaweirdthing2makeusdo 4 года назад +5

    Pros.
    1.sense of speed is incredible.
    2. Track design is gorgeous.
    3. The ffb is pretty incredible.
    4. Career mode was incredible for a car game.
    Cons
    1.puddles are atrocious in this game. Some stages become unplayable in the wet.
    2. Getting the right tyres to have it rain for half an epic stage again is not fun.
    3. The ai past easy. Means you need to be damn near a pro driver lol.
    Love this game, feels a lot more real to me than dirt.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Finally someone who is objective on the rivalry of the two games! In the end both are great games and you can enjoy parts of them individually!

    • @Stupendous855
      @Stupendous855 4 года назад

      Well put, to be fair the water in dr2 is pretty bad as well, I just take it easy when you g through water on both games. They both have pros and cons and good in their own way.
      Wrc8- better career mode, detailed stages, better tarmac physics, dynamic weather, better visuals
      Dr2- Better ffb, more online competitions, more variety of cars, better gravel physics, better sound

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@Stupendous855 The only I thing I disagree on is the FFB. I feel like WRC 8 is better on that.

    • @Stupendous855
      @Stupendous855 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming might be my settings I'm still tweaking my ffb setup. What wheel do you use?

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@Stupendous855 Logitech G29

  • @morriskochle3854
    @morriskochle3854 4 года назад +5

    So i should buy wrc8 forr narrow bridges?

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Hahaha that's one way to see it. In general i feel like the stage design is top notch on WRC 8, really enjoyable and challenging at the same time!

    • @morriskochle3854
      @morriskochle3854 4 года назад

      TMGaming just joking of course 🙃

    • @ju3743
      @ju3743 4 года назад +2

      Bro dr2 has the same stages

  • @laus7080
    @laus7080 3 года назад +13

    I'm not a scientist but these physics do not feel right.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад

      😂😂 haven't played the game in ages but your comment made me laugh

    • @jmlepunk
      @jmlepunk 3 года назад

      Watch a video or play Dirt, you'll instantly feel like the physics make so much more sense than WRC. To me if you think WRC physics are realistic you simply don't know Rally

  • @GfcgamerOrgon
    @GfcgamerOrgon 4 года назад +1

    Is to be released in september 2020 on PC Steam! Oh god! I would love if they will have Classics Rear drive cars to drift around the corners with rear traction. Last time I found WRC7 to be driving assisted all the time. hope this WRC is really controlling free and better like you say.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      Better go grab it from the Epic Store if in a hurry mate

    • @GfcgamerOrgon
      @GfcgamerOrgon 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming Yeah if IS that good. They deserve, they did not sliced the game into a total demo like ~others~ did.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +2

      @@GfcgamerOrgon Tbh i don't like the classic cars on WRC 8. But i really like the WRC 2 and WRC cars

  • @frogboyx1Gaming
    @frogboyx1Gaming 4 года назад +3

    I love both dirt rally 2.0, and wrc 8. Wrc 8 didn't get good until I bought a racing cockpit, and upgraded my wheel and pedals. Now it is my go to rally game.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Finally someone who appreciates both games

    • @frogboyx1Gaming
      @frogboyx1Gaming 4 года назад +1

      @@TMGaming definitely. It wasn't till recently that I really started enjoying WRC 8 more. My new setup is amazing. I am getting really good at WRC 8 now. I feel like they have tweaked the physics and made the cars feel heavier, they dont seem to bounce off of everything now, or maybe I just have more control and don't hit stuff as often. Wrc 8 is my go to rally game lately, the force feedback is much better and feels more consistent, but dirt rally 2.0 has much better slide physics.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      @@frogboyx1Gaming They're both very good games and it's nice Codemasters have some completion now.

    • @frogboyx1Gaming
      @frogboyx1Gaming 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming definitely it is good that they have strong competition now, my biggest complaint on wrc 8 is no HDR support, and 30 fps on xbox one x. But other than that I am completely satisfied. I am looking forward to the next game, and if TT isle of man 2 visuals are anything to go off of then wrc 9 is going to look amazing.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@frogboyx1Gaming WRC 8 need better graphics, better phyisics when on two wheels (like hitting a small rock), scenario mode, and better compatibility with wheels.

  • @RevRideReason
    @RevRideReason 4 года назад

    You make it look fun. I think I'll give it a shot

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Thanks a lot. Glad my videos made you try the game!

    • @RevRideReason
      @RevRideReason 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming Just brought the game and played this stage first. I agree 100% with you. After playing 3 additional stages it will be hard for me to have as much fun in Dirt Rally as I did in WRX 8. Love this game already. Great video. You have a new subscriber! 👍

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      @@RevRideReason Really appreciate it! Glad you enjoy the game!

    • @messiahshow
      @messiahshow 4 года назад +1

      @@RevRideReason I agree this game is a masterpiece. Bought it yesterday and haven't had this fun in a rally game since Rallisport Challenge.

    • @RevRideReason
      @RevRideReason 3 года назад

      @@messiahshow exactly

  • @chinaminiyumako1415
    @chinaminiyumako1415 4 года назад

    Great Video!

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Thanks mate! Really appreciate you watching!

  • @justinspirational
    @justinspirational 4 года назад +2

    Is WRC 8 supporting VR? Thank you

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +5

      Unfortunately no... It's a big mistake from the developers to not include it in the game yet again

    • @justinspirational
      @justinspirational 4 года назад +1

      @@TMGaming ok thanks.. Think I'll pass for now then and get DR 2.0 since it's much cheaper in the steam winter sale and does support VR..

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      @@justinspirational Have fun mate, hope you enjoy the videos. I have DR2.0 videos as well

    • @justinspirational
      @justinspirational 4 года назад +1

      @@TMGaming thank you.. You too!

    • @drumbri
      @drumbri 3 года назад

      DR2 in VR is AMAZING!!!

  • @rafbru5391
    @rafbru5391 3 года назад +1

    for me the co driver calls are way too late. Even in the earliest settings i find that the co driver has a lot of pauses in between the calls

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад +2

      I think they've fixed that on WRC 9, but yeah it was an issue on WRC 8.

    • @berkecsrocsi
      @berkecsrocsi 2 года назад

      Co-driver call timing can be adjusted in the settings.
      But you probably figured that out by now ✌️😁

  • @Ajiponferret
    @Ajiponferret 4 года назад +18

    You should add on the fact that DR2 forces you to buy DLC if you want to engage in online leaderboard. And DLC that cost half of the game price (as of season pass) adds old materials from DR1, and new DLC contents are mostly rallycross tracks

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      I have talked about that on another video. Thanks for the support mate!

  • @sargonshamoun
    @sargonshamoun 5 месяцев назад

    why it is hard to control the cars in this game?

  • @frogboyx1Gaming
    @frogboyx1Gaming 4 года назад +5

    Imagine if this game was 60fps like Dirt rally 2.0. I like Dirt rally 2.0 physics much better.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      I am on PC so I get more than 60fps. I feel like each game has its ups and downs. Both fun to play.

    • @frogboyx1Gaming
      @frogboyx1Gaming 4 года назад +1

      @@TMGaming I am playing on xbox one x, cant understand why it runs at 30fps should be 60, I do like this game a lot more than I thought I would, it definitely needs HDR support, and 60fps on xbox one x.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      @@frogboyx1Gaming Yeah it's such a shame mate... Hope you enjoy the videos though!

  • @GotuUmraniya
    @GotuUmraniya 3 года назад

    one thing in wrc 8 is that the engine compression ratio is too much, if you shift gear downwards, the car comes to a stop, especially at gear 1, immediately super slowdown, not a bad thing considering the speed at which one is going through these rally stages

    • @GotuUmraniya
      @GotuUmraniya 3 года назад

      I just noticed that wrc8 also has bumpy roads, wrc 8 is right there with dirst 2 in terms of gameplay due to that if not better, wrc 8 offerings are better overall

    • @GotuUmraniya
      @GotuUmraniya 3 года назад

      one more thing, the water puddles are actually well done in stages where there is rainfall, try a rainy stage, water puddles will feel realistic instead of stopping the car down, it seems only certain weather conditions or particularly the snowy stages like monte carlo or certain gravel/tarmac based stages have that water puddle issue which halts the car slightly, otherwise this is well done in a rainy stage in particular

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад

      @@GotuUmraniya Agree mate!

  • @JackInDaBoxx
    @JackInDaBoxx 4 года назад +5

    just some tips, dont brake as much as you are, use your hand brake and use the momentum and dabbing the throttle of the car to get you through corners

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Thanks mate. I'm doing all this recently. That was a video when I was just getting started with this game. Hope you enjoy the videos!

  • @doott.t6706
    @doott.t6706 3 года назад +5

    Dr2 still better for me idk

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад

      Very good game and better than WRC 8 probably, not WRC 9 though

  • @od13166
    @od13166 4 года назад +4

    Several thing disappointed in wrc8
    1.no Car class/weather based Online Leaderboard
    Which means if you like R2 or Classic rally cars in WRC8 you cant compete. Because most top10 is 380hp WRC 1 machine and it cant be seperate
    This is one of issue yeah i know this is licensed game its disappointing
    Also Career perk system also included in leaderboard so some people drove a stage with better traction by perk upgrade.
    It seens doesnt have weather based leaderboard so you cant tell what people droven stages weather.
    This make me never buy any of DLCs in this game. even some of them are free in Dirt rally 1 or 2.0
    R2 R5 basically useless in career when you reaches WRC1 and those classic cars never even worth on Career anyway.
    I love R2 but i barely even remember r2 class on this game no matter you try you cant compete whole world using 380hp machines by using FWD 180HP
    2.ui control
    It sucks basically you have coursor but that coursor goes everywhere except you wanted to go.
    Ive been taken so many time on tunning section on controller coursor goes everywhere but i wanted to set.
    And keyboard and mouse ui control less helpful
    3.watersplash or puddle physics
    Seems Water puddles locks the tire when approach. I actually spined my car by put left tire into puddles this been same issue on previous WRC and it was annoying

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      I didn't know some of the things you said. But you are correct. I feel like both games have their negatives.

    • @De-M-oN
      @De-M-oN 4 года назад

      And being not able to save car setups is an issue. Is that fixed in WRC 8? Because in WRC 7 you couldnt save car setups. It remembers just the current one you have per class. But you cant save any :(
      Also Dirt 4 was bad with having just 4 slots.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@De-M-oN No it's not saved... Plenty of bugs

  • @Cioux
    @Cioux 4 года назад

    i Drove Cantera +~40sec with same weather conditions an hour ago. I had tecnical probs to prove it..

    • @Cioux
      @Cioux 4 года назад

      I was 9. I don´t know the best time now early dec

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@Cioux That's a very good stage time mate! Hope you enjoy my videos by the way.

  • @WesMordine
    @WesMordine 4 года назад +5

    Umm... Dirt Rally 2.0 literally has this same rally stages.
    But I would love to buy this game. If they add Subarus.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      There's still differences in the stages though. They won't add Subarus unfortunately and the historic cars are not as good as in Dirt Rally 2.0

    • @WesMordine
      @WesMordine 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming 😭😭😭😭😭

    • @Stupendous855
      @Stupendous855 4 года назад +2

      As a fan of both games I can honestly say the stages are far better on wrc8. They're both great games in their own way.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      @@Stupendous855 Agreed mate

    • @Stupendous855
      @Stupendous855 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming one thing wrc lacks is the ability to make clubs for online play. It's hard to find a good lobby on wrc8. Maybe a way of setting up a championship?

  • @masterman3178
    @masterman3178 3 года назад

    Why is jimmy listed with the AI RACERS? That’s not a leaderboard.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад

      Hahahaha it was a screenshot from his video, because I wanted to compare our times.

  • @faydulaksono
    @faydulaksono 3 года назад

    is this game good with gamepad?

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад

      not very good, it takes time to learn it but once you do it's nice

  • @Hurleysburley
    @Hurleysburley 4 года назад +4

    But you have assists on by having the tiles. :) I run the same settings less the tiles.. insanely hard.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Excuse me but what are the tiles?

    • @Hurleysburley
      @Hurleysburley 4 года назад +1

      The tiles for turning. It shows you what the corners going to be instead of just listening to him talk.

    • @Hurleysburley
      @Hurleysburley 4 года назад

      Like real life =]

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      @@Hurleysburley I will definitely try this out on a future video. It will be the toughest challenge

    • @MarkChance
      @MarkChance 4 года назад +1

      I’ve never played a rally with the co driver visuals (tiles) turned on. Not because I’m a pro or elite, purely because it seems harder to me having to look up rather than listen to the next call.

  • @farmerjimmy7453
    @farmerjimmy7453 4 года назад

    U like Micky heffernan ?

  • @aber7127
    @aber7127 4 года назад +4

    A lot of respect for the people who died😂 and if you want wrc is wrc 8 indeed much better

  • @Dark33_Qc
    @Dark33_Qc 4 года назад +2

    More user friendly since Dirt Rally 2.0 is a simulation and this is between simulation and arcade, easier to control and better for beginners

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      I can partially agree. But there are moments when WRC 8 is tougher than Dirt Rally 2.0

    • @FOXeye95
      @FOXeye95 4 года назад +4

      except WRC8 feels more like driving an actual rally car than dirt rally 2.
      Source: Someone who actually drove one

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@FOXeye95 Interesting! Which car have you driven?

    • @FOXeye95
      @FOXeye95 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming Subaru Impreza 1st gen, a toyota starlet Gr A and a weird E36 compact modified for it (sucked ass)
      This on a dirt track

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@FOXeye95 Impressive mate. Hope I can do some rallying in the future too, real life obviously

  • @Schub69
    @Schub69 4 года назад +9

    For me the gravel physics feels more realistic than DR2, have more feeling of the weight of the car, it is more intuitiv to drive for me, I Play every Rally Game/sim since 20 years, but no game is so brillant as WRC 8 - Love it!!

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      DiRT Rally 2.0 is better on gravel but still WRC 8 is more enjoyable.

  • @joshtow2544
    @joshtow2544 3 года назад

    This games alright I hated it at first but I can see why you play it. The careers pretty cool. The loud ass potholes that send u flying not so much.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад

      Hahahaha WRC 9 is much better bro

  • @BunkerBlog
    @BunkerBlog 4 года назад

    I like Dirt better simply because of the wider variety of cars. WRC 8 only has 1 RWD car, while Dirt has an entire range of FWD, RWD, and AWD cars from different classes and eras as well as other types of racing (Rally, Rallycross, and in older games you had Stadium racing and Hillclimb).

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Yeah WRC 8 is just a game for the official WRC cars. The historic cars on WRC 8 aren't even that good. Talking about older Rally games you can check out my latest video on SLRE an old gem of the rally gaming universe

  • @Carbon-os9nx
    @Carbon-os9nx 4 года назад +2

    Both games lack good FOV adjusments, though Dirt 2.0 has better One.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      100% agree mate!

  • @GotuUmraniya
    @GotuUmraniya 3 года назад

    Wrc 8 has arcadish feel to it but dirt 2 is also arcadish, but wrc 8 has better stages with more weather options, i would really like driving japanese sports cars like AE 86 or Mazda Rx7 etc. in wrc stages, those mountain pass like tracks with rain adds thrill and depth

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад

      They're both good games with negatives as well.

    • @GotuUmraniya
      @GotuUmraniya 3 года назад

      @@TMGaming particularly as someone else mentioned here earlier, water puddles in wrc8 kinda stops the car, infact the sound it makes feels like your car crashed somewhere in the side of the road, unrealistic but i say that the same puddle and especially snow gathered in the road can make the car realistically slippery at times, while in dirt 2 i have yet to experience water puddles doing anything

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад

      @@GotuUmraniya Yeah water puddles on DiRT Rally 2.0 are harmless whereas on WRC 8 they are way too dangerous at times.

    • @GotuUmraniya
      @GotuUmraniya 3 года назад

      @@TMGaming As i am playing dirt 2.0 right now on ps4, i can confirm that the little water puddle this Poland stage has, made the car slip, i was turning and puddles came into effect, i felt it and car slipped, doing clean stage runs in both games is very hard (note that i have never experienced wheel controllers so my experience is based on ps4 controller and i am not a hardcore race gamer either but i have played enough racing games and mostly simulation games)

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад

      @@GotuUmraniya You should try both games on a wheel. Then you might decide which one's better.

  • @anthonyblackie2533
    @anthonyblackie2533 4 года назад

    Why is this game so difficult to get a hold of for Xbox one. Tried many stores and online. I could get it from Xbox store but preferred physical copy. Also on the Xbox store I can get dirt rally 2.0 with all the dlc for just over 20 quid.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Dirt Rally 2.0 is very worth it currently. But I haven't faced any issues with WRC 8 on PC. Wish I could help you.

    • @anthonyblackie2533
      @anthonyblackie2533 4 года назад

      TMGaming it just seems so hard to get a physical copy. It’s 70 pound on amazon On which is absurd when asking price everywhere else is like 40 even though nobody has it in stock. I can get it on Xbox store and game looks Great but currently without being able to get physical copy dirt rally looks better value for money. It’s just I play rally games casually with controller the first dirt rally was unplayable for me on pad I faired a little better on dirt 2.0 trial but wanted to see wrc 8 was more forgiving and give it a go

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@anthonyblackie2533 You should wait for a discount then for a digital copy on Xbox. I bought the Collector's Edition for 55 Euros only fortunately

  • @BobK5
    @BobK5 4 года назад +1

    Looks very arcades to me, RBR on Pc is a more sim but the best ever rally game is British Rally Championship which kicks all these console tragedies into touch.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Hahaha not so sure about British Rally Championship, though it was very good for its time. RBR is probably the best though, I agree.

  • @SuperSturmvogel
    @SuperSturmvogel 4 года назад +15

    The voice of co/pilot in WRC is so terrible.... in compare to DR 2 and this stop me to enjoy to play WRC. From POV the graphic is in DR2 much better than in WRC. To be honest I cannot understand why is WRC better than DR2

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +2

      I mean it's a matter of opinion. I enjoy both games but mostly WRC 8 due to this video.

    • @Schub69
      @Schub69 4 года назад +2

      DR2 better graphics don’t think so, WRC 8 has much more details, way better track design and in my opinion the better physics. Play DR and DR2 for over 200ours, and that are great Rally sims too, but WRC 8 is the most realistic Rally experience for me, absolut great sim!! Better than RBR, never thought I could say that anytime...

    • @SuperSturmvogel
      @SuperSturmvogel 4 года назад

      Schub69 agreed, but I like in dr 2 the voice of Tanja :😌

    • @BalanceProper
      @BalanceProper 4 года назад

      The physics man . The physics are so much better in wrc8. Especially on tarmac

    • @martineering.evoluzione
      @martineering.evoluzione 4 года назад

      @@Schub69 For people like you, driving a supermarket trolley will be like simulating an ADAC tire test. And thanks to such players we still have fucked up games that dictates drivers of real cars that WRC8 as a simulator of fucked up wheelbarrow physics at the construction site will be a better indicator like RBR or Dirt. Well done dude. How old are you? 10?

  • @MrLitz52
    @MrLitz52 3 года назад +1

    You would pick up a lot of time if you did a scandie around the wider turns. Keep ur momentum and hit the apexes. You over ran a lot of them and that cost u a lot of time as well. Still way better than I could do. Nice run.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад

      Hahaha thanks man, I think I have improved a lot since then, you might want to check the later videos!

  • @recarsion
    @recarsion 2 года назад

    I was initially put off by the price tag on WRC 8 but then realized that in DR2.0, basically all of the rallies I'm most excited to play are paid DLCs that are just reused content from DR1. And if you were to get all of them, they actually cost more than the entire DR1 game, on Steam at least. I can't wrap my head around how cheap and obnoxious that is. And the stages in WRC 8 really do seem so much better but it bothers me that it's exclusive to one season. So what do I want, more cars or better stages... I think stages but I'm really not sure. I may just say fuck it and pick up Richard Burns Rally instead and mod it to hell, that way I get to have it all.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  2 года назад +1

      I mean you just showcased all three options 😅. I have made a video about the DiRT Rally 2.0 DLC policy and all that. I'm planning to make one on RBR as well

    • @d3tach3d
      @d3tach3d 2 года назад

      8 months, but I would have just buy them all if you can. especially now with how cheap they are

  • @CarWavExe
    @CarWavExe 2 года назад

    Argentina is my favorite stage

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  2 года назад

      Great stages indeed

  • @YaaSalty...0_o
    @YaaSalty...0_o 3 года назад

    Dirt rally 2.0 totally has this location Argentina it does look a little bit better and WRC 8 with all the Rocks everywhere

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад

      Yeah they're similar but the bridges are way too narrow in this game 😂

    • @YaaSalty...0_o
      @YaaSalty...0_o 3 года назад

      I just bought this game and is nowhere near as good as dirt the physics are so much more real in dirt it actually feels like you're on dirt it's slippery

    • @YaaSalty...0_o
      @YaaSalty...0_o 3 года назад

      @@TMGaming definitely a arcade experience

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад

      @@YaaSalty...0_o WRC 9 is better than DiRT Rally 2.0. WRC 8 not. But just to be a dickhead I'm gonna say Dirt Rally tarmac physics are like ice

    • @portocaliu3199
      @portocaliu3199 Год назад

      @@TMGaming Thats just facts

  • @victorhalvorsen158
    @victorhalvorsen158 4 года назад

    It seems yoy have pacenotes on early? Try to but them on very late or late. There is a bug in the game. The pacenotes will come much earlyer with the «very late/late» turned on👍 nice video! I prefer wrc over dr2.0. The tarmac feeling in the wrc 8 is much better then dr2.0! The gravel feeling dr2.0 is little better. Not much tough! The career mode in wrc8 makes me feel like iam actually driving for a team😊

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      I enjoy both games but at the end of day I have more fun playing WRC 8. The whole package of the stages and the modern WRC cars is just an incredible experience. I will check my pace notes settings. Thank you a lot for checking me out!

    • @Schub69
      @Schub69 4 года назад

      There is a transmision Menu bug too, if you want to have short gears you have to put it to long and reverse...

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@Schub69 Plenty of bugs lol

    • @Schub69
      @Schub69 4 года назад

      Yes, it is an unpolished diamond :=)...

  • @trickyjw
    @trickyjw 4 года назад +2

    Completely agree. Love WRC 8

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Best racing game for 2019 probably? Since it's better than DiRT Rally

    • @squills1
      @squills1 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming definitely the best of 2019... Great game! I sold DR 2.0 straight away in fact. Just wish it was free from the current season so they could add all legendary cars!

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      @@squills1 Well Dirt Rally got that award but still I enjoyed WRC 8 more

    • @squills1
      @squills1 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming definitely! The career mode is so addictive and rewarding. I like using the test area to configure different set ups. once you get it right it really helps with your course times and winning rallies. Also earning crew members and managing them is a great idea along with the skills tree...adds longevity. I noticed a sharp price drop with DR 2.0 when this game came out also... 🤔

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      @@squills1 It surely had to get a price drop considering how much money you had to pay in order to completely experience the game. I spent around 120 euros for that game

  • @b.c.2281
    @b.c.2281 4 года назад

    I'm still really annoyed that the FIA shafted Codemasters on the rights to WRC content, cars and stages, because of this game. R5s just aren't the same, and I love DR 2.0.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +2

      Group B on DR 2.0 is the closest you can get to this if not better. But I get your point.

    • @b.c.2281
      @b.c.2281 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming Sort of, Group B cars certainly have acceleration closer to the RC1 cars, but group B cars also don't come close to handling like a modern WRC car, it's part of their charm. R5 and RC1 cars at least share enough dna that they handle alike. I've honestly been having the most fun with the F2 Kit Cars lately though.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@b.c.2281 Oh yeah the F2 Kit Cars are amazing mate, these and the Group B cars are my favourites, and 2000s ones. I have made plenty of videos on DR 2.0 including two Kit Car ones: ruclips.net/video/uRV9qlpPjUI/видео.html
      ruclips.net/video/xat-xI7EzEc/видео.html

  • @gamesarelegends3473
    @gamesarelegends3473 4 года назад

    You didnt played DiRT am I right -.- There is a Track like this in DiRT and its so hard.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      I have plenty of times! It's very good probably harder too. That's where I struggled most on my DiRT Career Mode, you could check it out 👌🏾

    • @gamesarelegends3473
      @gamesarelegends3473 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming Thank you for the Video. As a hardcore Codemasters Fanboy I was searching for other racing simulators. And your Video makes me wanna try out WRC Series so hard :D how could I ignore it so many years xD

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@gamesarelegends3473 Hahaha to be honest with you mate WRC 8 is much better than any of the previous games so you haven't really been missing out xD

  • @martineering.evoluzione
    @martineering.evoluzione 4 года назад

    I will only add that SLRE in terms of the appearance of the routes and driving the car is more similar to realism and it is a pity that the game has not come to the next part. Still, SLRE eats the underdeveloped WRC8 for breakfast or the overrated Dirt Rally 2.0

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      You've convinced me to make a video on SLRE! Let's see how good it really is. Hope you enjoy the videos by the way!

    • @martineering.evoluzione
      @martineering.evoluzione 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming This is a very good game. If you look at the routes and their reflection to the real it is really real. Special effects are no longer as refined or texture but driving even on the steering wheel in Wales can be demanding even more like in Dirt or WRC. S.Loeb is a rally King. It is a pity that the game was abandoned in such a shadow by developers but I am happy to play it and I wonder why so many players get frustrated with it ... because it is demanding.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@martineering.evoluzione So you suggest me buying it and make a video on it?

    • @martineering.evoluzione
      @martineering.evoluzione 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming ruclips.net/video/ZXP0WRg_RC8/видео.html
      Nothing similar but he may convince you in his own person.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      @@martineering.evoluzione Just bought it! Get ready for a video!

  • @Schub69
    @Schub69 4 года назад +7

    WRC 8 is the greatest Rally Game/SIm ever!!! I Love the perfect physics, unbelivible good!!! Respct for your driving skill, realy fast and clean! Thanks for that vid. Hope to see more from you and WRC 8!!

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      You will see more videos for sure mate. I also really enjoy the game. Thanks for the support!

    • @beasted6080
      @beasted6080 4 года назад

      TMGaming keep them coming you drive really well

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      @@beasted6080 Thank you my friend. I will try to compete in eSports in 2020 and 2021

  • @Dhern1212
    @Dhern1212 4 года назад +1

    Dude this game looks amazing!! Might get this over rally 2.0!!

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Would suggest both :')

  • @ChipDouglas10
    @ChipDouglas10 4 года назад +2

    Dirt rally 2.0 much better

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Could be but not for me

  • @LightGesture
    @LightGesture 4 года назад

    W RRRRRR C...

  • @MrJBARRON
    @MrJBARRON 4 года назад

    Just get both

  • @gpapag3352
    @gpapag3352 4 года назад

    Γεια σου

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Γεια σου φίλε

  • @Thetalinshow
    @Thetalinshow 4 года назад

    Dirt rally 2.0 Is on game pass on xbox

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Was a free PSN game as well last month. New players coming for sure!

  • @JusTryNc
    @JusTryNc 3 года назад

    I can’t drive worth a Fk on this game 😳, hard isn’t even the word

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад +1

      Hahahaha, just take it easy at first mate. It's always hard at the start.

    • @SoftBreadSoftware
      @SoftBreadSoftware 3 года назад +2

      Start with slower cars at first.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад

      @@SoftBreadSoftware Exactly, just like on career mode

  • @dani_2019
    @dani_2019 4 года назад

    I agree with you. Idk about the game physics that much but WRC 8 has better driving feeling and the tarmac was much better. Tho WRC 8 has poor sound(Engine and Tire skid), and weird movement after bumps and the graphic which makes my eyes get tired too fast but I play WRC 8 instead of DR 2 lol.
    Personally, I think WRC 8 is worth to buy without discount sale but DR 2 isn't.
    But I'm disappointed with WRC 9 trailer. it looks same with WRC 8 and the engine sound was still poor.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      I agree with everything you said. The only reason to not buy DR 2 is it's price. On the WRC 9 they said the sounds are under development.

    • @dani_2019
      @dani_2019 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming Right and I hope the sounds would be great!

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@dani_2019 I would like to see improved sounds, better physics on the historic cars and more features on the career mode!

    • @dani_2019
      @dani_2019 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming Right! I think historic career mode would be great too like Group B or Group A.

  • @jmlepunk
    @jmlepunk 3 года назад

    If you think WRC physics are realistic you simply don't know Rally. Pro Pilots train on Dirt Rally

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад

      Why do you all have to be so hurt when I said WRC 8 was better. DiRT Rally 2.0 was better than WRC 8 because of some stupid physics it had on bumps but WRC 9 for me is supperior. The FIA even chose WRC 9 to give a few drivers the chance to become real Rally3 drivers for two seasons. I never said DiRT Rally 2.0 isn't a great game, I play it a lot and still make videos on it for god's sake... but don't tell me it's the most realistic rally game because it's not and neither is WRC 9 they're just fun games!

  • @MrHack-gl7bd
    @MrHack-gl7bd 4 года назад +1

    Ελλάδα μόνο 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      Έκανα βίντεο και για το Ακρόπολις στο DIRT

    • @MrHack-gl7bd
      @MrHack-gl7bd 4 года назад +1

      Πάω να το δω!

    • @MrHack-gl7bd
      @MrHack-gl7bd 4 года назад +1

      Πιο να πάρω το dirt rally ή το wrc?

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      @@MrHack-gl7bd Και τα δύο 😉

    • @MrHack-gl7bd
      @MrHack-gl7bd 4 года назад +1

      Πιο δύσκολο είναι το sebastien loeb rally evo ,wrc ή dirt rally σε χειρισμό?

  • @andreaskyritsis936
    @andreaskyritsis936 4 года назад

    Νομίζω και εγώ ότι είναι λίγο καλύτερο

  • @piotrekf943
    @piotrekf943 4 года назад

    wrc 8 has better stages and tarmac physics but damages are bearly visible

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +2

      The damage model is terrible on this game for real...

  • @alexandergarciapalanco9205
    @alexandergarciapalanco9205 4 года назад +1

    No VR Support 🤷‍♂️

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      I don't own a VR so I can't really complain but I feel like the game would be even more exciting with VR.

    • @De-M-oN
      @De-M-oN 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming Try Dirt Rally 2 in VR in Finland with the Peogeot 205 T16 or so. That experience was unbelievable in the Valve Index. The big jumps, you was pulled with the hills as if there would be g-forces. its so crazy what VR does with your brain :D That was such a great experience

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@De-M-oN I'm gonna puke 😂. I want the index too but it's very expensive. Might have to go with an Oculus Rift S

  • @taureidon3485
    @taureidon3485 3 года назад

    Cause officielle cars! Graphic bad damage cars bad! Juste officielle cars

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад

      Graphic damage is so much better on WRC 9 probably up to par with DR 2.0. Dirt Rally 2.0 is an amazing game but I still love stage design and like the physics of WRC 8.

  • @isaacsrandomvideos667
    @isaacsrandomvideos667 3 года назад

    Wrc8 feels like you’re riding on a cloud. Awful.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  3 года назад

      Agreed, compared to WRC 9 it feels like shit

  • @BalanceProper
    @BalanceProper 4 года назад +1

    Absolutely, wrc8 is better than dirt rally 2.0 . That being said the rallycross mode on the latter is amazing . In the future the wrc franchise needs to put historic cars as well . If the game introduces the same amount of cars as the dirt franchise there will be no need to buy a dirt game anymore .

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      I think though they should work on the historic car physics cause currently they're not on par with the DR 2.0 historic cars physics

  • @kurookami1066
    @kurookami1066 4 года назад

    Dont worry what everyone is saying. I agree with you my friend. People are clueless man they wont understand. They have been heavily brainwashed 😂😂

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +1

      Hahahaha, the problem is I never said I hated Dirt Rally 2.0 😂

    • @kurookami1066
      @kurookami1066 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming agreed nonetheless dirt 2 is a very fun game

  • @ukemike1
    @ukemike1 4 года назад

    clickbait. this is not a comparison video.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Does it say anywhere that's it is a comparison video?

    • @ukemike1
      @ukemike1 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming "This is why WRC 8 is better than Dirt Rally 2.0" The word "better" is a comparative adjective, the sentence clearly implies that you will do at least some comparison. I'm not sure Dirt2 is mentioned at all so there isn't even an inkling of comparison, and your video does not explain at all why one is better than the other. So the title is misleading. The video also pops up when you do a search for a comparison between the two games. Not a bad video, but misleading in a way that made me click on it.... clickbait.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@ukemike1 Yes but... There's a huge but here my friend. I said "This" so on this video I'm showing off why I believe WRC 8 is better. And the reason it's better is this exact video, stage and car combination. I mentioned DiRT Rally 2.0 plenty of times in the video as well. I disagree that it is a clickbait more like an overstatement I would call it. Thank you for enjoying it though. Hope you enjoy the rest of my series on the channel!

  • @bananers6013
    @bananers6013 4 года назад

    WRC 8 has no VR support. Dirt Rally 2 does.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      There's a win for Dirt 👍🏾

  • @martineering.evoluzione
    @martineering.evoluzione 4 года назад

    Mumble of a farting dog ... WRC8 is a terribly underdeveloped game. Its plus is only a license.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      Well, I disagree.

    • @martineering.evoluzione
      @martineering.evoluzione 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming I'll agree strongly with 2023 WRC from Codemasters then 🤔🍵😅

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      @@martineering.evoluzione I hope it's good. I have my doubts to be honest with you.

    • @martineering.evoluzione
      @martineering.evoluzione 4 года назад

      @@TMGaming Sometimes I like to play in the WRC but it's just that sometimes it can be once a month. In DR2.0 I spend 4 more time like in WRC ... what's why 🤔🍵😅 now I'll be spent more time in Assetto Corsa Competizione because this year WRC season is dead until maybe 2021 or new era hybrid rally cars.

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад

      I am also planning to play a bit more of ACC. Will see you on the servers 😂

  • @joshtow2544
    @joshtow2544 3 года назад

    Laughs in Subaru this game is trash bro. Tarmac is good but yea

  • @Molix1981
    @Molix1981 5 месяцев назад

    Nah, it's not better either than dirt 2.0 nor dirt 1, not even close..my opinion but yeah...

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  5 месяцев назад

      It's been a fucking long time tbh, idek how that video got 50k views lol but i would agree with you, though WRC 9 is probably my overall favourite rally game

  • @user-cs3lh3jh1z
    @user-cs3lh3jh1z 3 года назад

    Even dirt rally 1is better than this

  • @jamesi2018
    @jamesi2018 4 года назад +4

    it looks rubbish

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +2

      DiRT Rally 2.0 has better graphics but trash is a bit of an overstatement.

    • @markrigg6623
      @markrigg6623 4 года назад +1

      Dont be an idiot

  • @martineering.evoluzione
    @martineering.evoluzione 4 года назад

    A message from the Minister of Sport to the enthusiasts of simple WRC8 games or what to call a freak of human nature. If for you WRC8 is a simulator, then for a construction worker, operating a wheelbarrow is an F1 simulator, and for a pensioner in Walmart, driving a cart around the dog crunch department is a real Dakar rally. WRC8 goes ahead but also fucked up a lot of things along the way trying to overtake the Dirt and RBR series. Dirt Rally is not the best simulator, but it reflects the most similar reality as it is watched live or on TV and this is the truth. WRC8 despite the license, there is really nothing ... for me, the rally enthusiast is simply a total error of the FIA ​​WRC which they entrusted the advertising of this sport to such fucked up hands of Kyloton. But this is the trend at FIA WRC to make simple games and pretend that it's the best wheelbarrow simulator on the construction site of all time with the voice of the pilot after anal cleansing measures. Kyloton should start creating board games for patients in psychiatric hospitals with the intention of committing suicide so that they would have good effectiveness then ... Finally. If WRC wants to appear seriously in games, they should think about whether to go to construction and Walmart and ask how to make good games and who to entrust it to. Apparently in version 20 in X years they are to introduce Pacman to a rally that will devour rally cars as they fall off the route, and the effects of suspension transplant from electric scooters for postmen. The pilot's sound will be from Alexa who will notify the player who fucked up another $ 50 ... And she will tell you on the basis of Wikipedia what tree we pass and why this pixel or shadow has been fucked up again. On the subject of car physics, they are supposed to call specialists from the vacuum in the anus of the koala bear, which after eating a bucket of eucalyptus creates a hydrogen bomb as well as additional vibrations and vibrations of the anus with gas pressure ... And on this basis the accelerated phenomenon of the quantum koala bear. Graphs of tire viscosity law of aerodynamic speed gravity will be created, and so on, until an ideal big bang of the exploding anus in real physics gases for future WRC editions is created.

    • @SIM0X93
      @SIM0X93 4 года назад +3

      You forgot your morning medicine or some shit? Or trying to be funny and failing hard? I don't care if WRC8 is simulator or not, i enjoy it much more than arcade rally 2.0. But hey i guess you are one of those guys who like easy stages without bumps and bends and has many straights. Well then dirt rally 2.0 is for you then, because after i played WRC8, dirt rally felt like a flashgame with zero physics and baby level stages not to mention shitty looking/designed stages. WRC8 is miles ahead of dirt rally 2.0 even with it's drawbacks which aren't that many as you imply. But sure keep sucking codemasters cock so they give more shitty DLC.

    • @De-M-oN
      @De-M-oN 4 года назад +1

      Did you drive a WRC Rally car already? Here was someone in the comments who did drive rally cars in reality and he says that WRC is actually good.

    • @martineering.evoluzione
      @martineering.evoluzione 4 года назад

      @@SIM0X93 Prairie Dog ... both games are not any simulators. And when it comes to DR 2.0, check the routes from the game to google maps are identical to reality, it is also better in terms of physics on gravel and the balance of gravity by car. WRC8 has a poorly developed system of feelings of depth and modeling of routes, including the behavior of the car on the roadside. So give me this pleasure and suck the ice cream is a good practice for your gibberish.

    • @martineering.evoluzione
      @martineering.evoluzione 4 года назад

      @@De-M-oN Of course, WRC8 is good because it has a license. Once I had the opportunity to ride as a passenger in the group A Subaru Impreza and on this basis DR 2.0 suits me better.

    • @De-M-oN
      @De-M-oN 4 года назад

      @@martineering.evoluzione Both games have just real short stages though :(

  • @chibwekapalajnr
    @chibwekapalajnr 4 года назад +3

    Dirt rally 2.0 is way better, the sound on WRC is horrible, doesn’t even feel like you’re in control of the car, WRC is a joke, dirty rally 2.0 feels more realistic, WRC feels like I’m playing PlayStation 2

    • @TMGaming
      @TMGaming  4 года назад +2

      I'm sorry but I can't agree. Sound is better on DiRT Rally 2.0 but it's still not that bad on WRC 8 if you watch real life onboards. Physics wise both games have their highs and lows.

    • @daveallen3607
      @daveallen3607 4 года назад +1

      The road feel and ffb on dr2 is shite dr1 pisses all over it lol i pre ordered the ultimate edition and played it twice the ffb is awful compared to dr1 for me and on base xbox graphics are blurred so think im gonna give wrc8 a go!

    • @De-M-oN
      @De-M-oN 4 года назад

      Dont forget that WRC cars in reality have massive Grip too. Its just the older cars which dont have so much grip (and Dirt has all the rally cars from old to new)