Glad they're focusing on a great single player experience, that's where I spend most of my time in! As for the types of vehicle I'd like to see: 1990's Super Tourers! And the legendary V8 Supercars (from the 70's, 80's, 90's 00's)
Project Cars 2 had top-notch physics and was best in class, by far. However, it's reputation was being ruined by people who didn't understand cars, knew nothing about vehicle simulation, and thought FFB = physics. These are the people who would play garbage like iRacing, and then run around talking about how that unrealistic pile of crap was a "true sim", because it was 10x harder than real life. Right now, the best simulation in terms of realism, is Assetto Corsa Competizione. The first Assetto Corsa is trash, with nothing but fans of it's FFB to speak highly of the game. But Competizione, is a big step forward, and even more realistic than Project Cars 2.
@@thatfirstone I have tried PC2 but I could never understand why just braking 'in a straight line' resulted in the car spinning , thats why I dropped the game, I really wanted to like the game because the VR was amazing but the handling was one of the worst things I have ever tried the car was the gt86 cup
@@EvilNando That's due to the car's rear diff setup, and whether or not you've enabled ABS . That's all it is. You should have stuck to the OEM setup, and had electronic assists set to factory, since you didn't quite have a grasp on the mechanics of vehicles.
I'm glad a former Stig finally addressed my biggest gripe with a lot of racing sims and sim games in general: Artificial difficulty. Many sims try and distinguish themselves by making controlling whatever vehicle it may be harder than it is in real life. You hear this a lot from real world pilots how if planes were as difficult to fly and land as they're portrayed in sims, we'd all be dead. Similar to what the Stig said about driving in the rain. There can be challenge, but it should be organic and as obvious as it sounds, realistic. Not forced just to have the title of simulation vs. game.
Kazanori Yamauchi said something similar re Gran Turismo. The act of driving isn't so devilishly difficult that it's impossible, as hundreds of millions of people do it every day. Even pushing those vehicles at speed around a race track can be done without those same cars suddenly becoming impossible to drive. But hearing that said by someone like Ben Collins with his clear driving and racing pedigree is very welcome.
I think there is a degree of designed difficulty However I think the difficulty in flight and driving sims comes largely if not mostly from the technical difficulty of making things behave naturally , lack of data, lack of development time and overly complex physics models that are then hard to design or get a specific result from. You will notice across most sims , it's a compromise between responsive input and snappy movement and balanced stability/smooth movement but then delayed response. Ben Collins comments are things people have been saying for 20+ years with sims. Ben and Nicolas Hamilton both gave the exact same feedback when project cars was being developed , all sims have real drivers basically saying the same things as feedback but driver feedback is effectively irrelevant to weather or not the physics engine will end up driving naturally. GTR2 , AMS1 , NKP , specific mod cars for RF1 work by people like neils husinkveld largely addressed many of the issues. ( Even if those sims are less complex than lots of the newer sims)
@@ajrichar0 This is correct. Unfortunately KY and PD never grasped that tracks are not snooker tables and race cars are loud, monstrous, visceral places to be. Sound has as much to do with immersion as dynamic movement. Fir this reason PD games will always be bland
It's always a "believe it when I see it" with Ian Bell titles. I really appreciate his perspective that you can't just focus on Multiplayer or Single Player, but it needs both. And really looking forward to possibly adding another game in my collection that brings some unique content (like AMS2 as example), instead of only focusing on the most popular with the masses content.
It's very encouraging that someone like Ben Collins is involved because not only does he know real life race cars inside out, he is also an avid sim racer, so he understands the crossover.
Sounds promising, I'm glad they are doing the physics engine from scratch so lets hope they get it right and if they allow mods this could end up being the sim of choice. So good luck to the Ian Bell and the team and please take your time and only release it when it's ready.
With Project Motor Racing and Assetto Corsa Evo both having iRacing in their sights as well as Rennsport kind of out in the wild it's an exciting time for sim racing. Very interested to see what they will do on console as that could define the minimum shared capability for things like online multiplayer if console/PC multiplayer is enabled.
iRacing is already behind many other titles regarding graphics and probably only on par with others regarding physics. However what they offer what others don't is an extensive and well managed racing calendar/schedule that always guarantees you one race or another at any given time. And I don't see another Developer overtaking them with this.
@@TonysRacing600 kings can always fall. Chances are many who play iRacing regularly have other sim installed so not 100% committed to iRacing. If another game with better physics and graphics can get enough traction to crack the online racing then many will at least try it. The cost of switching is so low others can make a major dent into the market. To me, iRacing real strength is the sunk cost. People don’t like switching where they believe they’ll lose what they already spent. It’s why gambling is so bad. I’m down a £1,000 but one more bet and I’ll win it back. I’ve spent £1,000 on iRacing. If I switch now that money is wasted. Looking at the numbers still playing Assetto Corsa a new entry could win over the non iRacing market initially. Build its user base to a point where the match racing is as good as iRacing but with better graphics and physics making it worthwhile for iRacers to at least trying it. If it scratches their itch they some of them may stay. Then, more may come.
It's a pity that the name GT Revival won't be there, but I hope that the essence of their roots will be the same as GTR 2 and Project Cars until part 2
I've kept up with the progress of this game via twitter/X and am really excited by the thoughts that are going into this game. Hopefully it's executed well but all the right things are being said. VR is a bit thing for me too, so happy to hear of this. I also saw a feature on AI commentary, I believe for this game. I love that idea. It's something new, I'm sure you could disable it if it wasn't for you but I absolutely love the idea. It'll make your race much more interesting and you'll get a feel for what's going on. Also when watching your own replays back, it'll be more authentic and immersive if done right!
Im pumped for this. PC2 is still one of my favorite racers despite its issues. Im hoping for more real road sections and alot of real world cars, not just race cars.
Ian Bell is an incredible wonderful game developer who has never let anyone down and absolutely listens to customer feedback or at least that is what RUclips insists I say about him.
WOOOOw !!! Going back to a Project cars style game ?! 🤩🤩 I LOVED PC2 !! Did lots of endurance races on that game like the 24h of le mans, would be very cool to do it with the modern cars !!! Bring it on baby !!
This is all music to my ears, tho im used to keeping my expectations grounded over the years since Assetto corsa, we desperately need another landmark racing simulator. Looking forward to trying this out.
Ben is right about how tyre models in sims are so often too peaky IMO. It's rubber on tarmac and in a lot of sims I feel like it changes suddenly to hard plastic on tarmac when breaking traction. But I guess for most people this feels more realistic so I've learned to live with it. Still I'm glad Ben worked on PC2 because it really still feels like a breath of fresh air to hoon around in that game. In the end it's a matter of taste really. It'll always be an approximation of some really complex stuff. And most modern sims get close enough.
I agree with "often". But it is more often IMO that tires are on the opposite in simulations. I haven't played iRacing for years, but when I did it definitely had tires that lost way too much grip when sliding immediately after peak slip angles. In AC tires are little bit lacking grip drop when sliding IMO, but that also depends on a car, comes close though. I think rF2 is best at it, although it also has a lot of cars that does come to that a little differently, early rF2 ISI cars were pretty good IMO, although also I think each car is to be discussed individually, some years ago before they updated their tire parameters logic S397 (later developer of rF2) had their cars too much biased for sliding, thus to achieve best possible times they needed to be driven a bit too far past peak slip, later IMO they improved tires greatly and now they are much closer and tires were actually made to loose more grip with greater slips.... so I would say that actually in simulations tires have too little change of grip level when transitioning from peak angles to full slip. IMO it is pretty easy to observe IRL how much cars can take on turns before starting slipping, and then AFTER that before slipping very hard. There are a lot of variables to that that makes it not that straight forward topic. Tire compounds, the velocities of sliding, the temperatures impact, the way tire rubber shear works, the conditions of road surface, the structure of tire. Besides tire aerodynamics plays quite a big role. The setup of car, the way chassis works and how masses are distributed.... Coming back to tire. The plain simple ratio of static vs sliding friction does a lot for how progressive and controllable car is at transients of limits. Thats in physical tire models. The problem about giving cars too much high slip friendly physics is that normal good grip needs to be curbed, made worse - so the total grip and thus car pace would remain realistic enough. Some people confuses that with tires sliding too much. No - then tires slides too little, but they slide too early and too easily. Devs might often be inclined to set tires this way, because otherwise, as you say, tires might seem if they are made of hard plastic as soon as they slip, because some tires actually should be this way - developing insane amounts of static friction, and once past peak slip angle the moment whole tire contact patch is sliding no more static contact remains, lots of tire friction goes away within few degrees of slip + if aero stalls and it is high speed, it will be unlikely to recover this car without impressive reaction and evasive action on point. Have to look IRL driving footage, usually it is simply visible how fast these tires speak at over the limit. Unfortunately sometimes simracers want a tire that performs like most modern wide super soft racing radial slick, that at the same time would be as porgressive and controllable as narrowish 60s bias ply hard compound tires. Not to mention also that modern cars also are heavy on downforce, and downforce has a tendency to stall too on high yaw angles, resulting in even crazier grip losses.
What Ben Collins said should end all discussions about about hard means real. For me, Raceroom does at best, but sadly has no rain effects or day/night cycle.
What would draw me over from iRacing or would make it the best Single/Multiplayer sim would be the following: 1) Improvements in VR without the need for top of the line hardware 2) Improved and accurate incident assessments. i.e. another driver contacting you should not result in you having an incident point assessed. This happens in iRacing a lot. 3)A true AI Steward. One that can accurately evaluated an incident and determine who's at fault realtime and then perhaps assess penalties for the at fault driver such as: drive through, next race grid penalty, financial/safety rating penalty, etc based on the rule that was violated. 5)Accurate and realistic FFB model. Ideally the ability to load the correct FFB setting/profile for the specific vehicle that accurately replicates the feeling of the real car. Today us sim racers still have to guess what the appropriate FFB strength and FFB characteristics by tuning certain wheel base parameters. I want to load a profile based on my wheel base and get a realistic idea what the real wheel forces feel like when driving. But if the user does want to tune they can. 6) And of course all of the features like iRacing already has i.e. accurate weather physics. Speaking of weather the ability to get realtime weather from perhaps nearby weather stations.
I am glad they change the name to Project Motor Racing, it sounds more appealing than GTRevival lol. I can't wait for what they're cooking up. One of the greatest features is the AI commentary, if it's still in the game, that'll be amazing. PC1 and PC2 are the reason I am into sim racing. Now, only enjoying AMS2.
At least it's confirmed that there's no terrible Unreal Engine. Now let's hope for forward rendering + MSAA + quad views support in VR. Then it's going to be insane! Gl with the development Ian+team.
I just learned that this game is being worked on by a studio led by Ian Bell. He called me something similar to bollocks in his forum back when PCars were still on "Early Access" just because I need a guidance on why some things don't work certain ways for its confusing UI (not even reporting a bug). He's also known to hopping from project to project despite knowing the game isn't fully polished and could do some improvements. Because of him, it's all about seeing is believing for this one
I want to see next gen VR graphics that are on par with current flat screen graphics. I know it's hard to accomplish but this is what I am waiting for in a sim. I have high hopes for AC EVO because it's a different graphics engine.
@@der60er I see that you have actually sat down and calculated this. I like that. Really what I'm hoping for is a good step up from AMS2 VR that runs smoothly with a 5090 and a 35ppd hmd with eye tracking and a dfr option in the game or even better quad rendering.
I may be one of the few that would like to see this as a console port. The 'plug and play' ease that I got from PC2 and get from GT7 and EA WRC is critical for time-poor players like myself. Sure, I have a PC with modded Assetto Corsa, but that's a game I have to schedule to boot up and invest in. A great single player experience, on cars that are *not* GT3s, on console, is my fervent hope. More racing games that aim for the simulation market are good. We are surely entering a golden age for driving sims right now.
it sounds good and he speaks with a lot of confidence and conviction. I hope it's on all platforms because it's annoying not having something like iracing on console, and PC2 was a great game
Chuck in some Nascar :)I am overall very exited about the sound of this project and enjoy a variety of different series. Mainly solo but when I do dip my toes in the online arena it's very hard to beat iRacing other than the costs involved. Good video thank you!
I live near by the Bells stakehouse, went to the place a couple of times already...it's probably the best dry aged meat you can find in Munich area. Now I know what is behind the name :)
I sometimes fantasize for way too long about a game that would be a mix of simracing and world of warcraft World of racecraft haha You’d have a massive open world with hundreds of tracks A big capital for people to show off their achievements League events You could make such a variety of events like a targa florio or a touge competition or a hillclimb or rally, ovals or anything the open world can take and keep the game alive Obviously it will be super pvp oriented but it would be fun to start with a lvl 1 slow car like a mazda mx5 or and fictional slow car and built it through quests crafting and genrally pve stuff, being able to sell and exchange parts or livery through an auction system Pretty much as many Word of warcraft mechanics you can have and replace the fighting with driving Am i the only one?
I'm glad they changed game engines. I hope it's something bespoke to the needs of VR sim racing. I would like more historic tracks and cars. TF would be a dream come true. Enjoy the steaks, guys.
My only advice to PMR is to focus on making a good physics engine. Also to dare to not tick boxes, for example, I'm totally fine if there are no setups, no AI/ multiplayer, or no pit stops AS LONG AS the sim is good at one/ a few things above all the sim feeling realistic when driving. Honestly, this has activated zones in my nervous system. I'm so excited I'm drooling right now. If this turns out to be as good as pC2 was in its year of release I would be happy.
Super excited about this hopefully it will be the spiritual successor to PC2. I was really put of by PC3 with it's mass market appeal SIMcade approach.
Ian Bell, I'll buy it if PS5 PSVR2 support! and I will definitely stop considering buying Asseto Corsa Evo. I am totally with your vision, VR, good multi and good single modes, all I heard from this video is what Im a looking for a very long time. Do it ! I want even be your PS5 VR pro tester !
Is their weather system good? From what I know about iRacing, the guys at iRacing aren't very good at anything besides marketing, and inspiring fanboys. Their simulation has been garbage for the longest, and still isn't that great. I mean, iRacing still doesn't even have tyre flex, and their aero simulation needs a lot of work, judging by their GT cars. Project Cars 2 had a very good and highly advanced weather system, and I doubt iRacing's implementation comes close to that.
Saving mid race feature, to accomplish 24-hour race without staying for whole day in front of pc ;) Goals are matching my expectations, we'll see how end results in future. Currently the best game for me is AMS2, because its improvement from PC2.
Would be good to see a sim that focuses on retro cars and series. Outside of Assetto Corsa mods and Automobilista 2 there is very little and in those I'm not sure how accurate the handling and quality control is. I've got an AC mod of the entire grid of the JGTC 2000 season, it would be amazing to see something like that but with the resources of a whole studio behind it and a better idea of what the cars actually handle like. Might seem niche but those cars and liveries are iconic in Gran Turismo so could get some serious interest.
Every game I've played that has Ian bells fingerprints on it has been great. GTR2 was the first sim i owned that for me properly into sim racing, and project cars 2 definitely pulled me further into soon racing, i know i shouldn't get my hopes up yet, but i can't help but be excited and have high expectations for this title
I played GTR, GTR2 and GTLegends from release. If they can port well to PS5 and PSVR2 they can have my money now. They don’t have space for a proper gaming pc set up now with kiddies etc so that is what I’d really like.
Ok. So far, it seems Ian Bell is someplace where EA can't buy him... Hopefully. Fingers crossed and I wish Straight4 and Giants much success. I gave GTR-2 a go, and it definitely comes across as the original PCARS, in presentation and visuals. It was an intresting little bit of time I spent with the game.
It's actually quite simple what it takes: Hardware: VR support Full motion support Muti Screen Support PvP: Fair ranking and ranking for AI Realistic license (focus on NO crashes) Racing based on license than ranking not vice versa Group league where at least once a year wipe is made for the ranking within the group ( See real soccer league in Germany ) Multiplayer: Easy to set up multiplayer server Fill up races with AI for missing drivers Software: very good AI Several car classes, open wheel and sports cars All known tracks Own liveries Good graphics Mandatory that you can only drive from the cockpit view NO addons allowed (all same condition) different setups only from the manufacturer for all (same conditions for all drivers) NO custom setups Physics: Laser scan tracks Realistic physics Realistic sound realistic force feedback It can be that simple and all others would be history ....
Instead of everyone working on their own title in their own corners, how about consolidating simracing for once and working on becoming a great modding team for upcoming AC Evo instead for example
Assetto Corsa somehow makes every car feel at least twice less powerful than it should be. For example, some random 400hp car barely spin tyres in a straight line on 2nd gear, this just drives me nuts as this still the best sim out there...
@@viktorianas that's funny I find that some cars have too little grip. For example I used to own an e90 m3. In game the e92 m3 spins more than mine ever did. And I only ever ran regular tires on it (pss and ps4s)
@@memememine1 you are probably talking about lateral grip, but I am talking about longitudinal, 200hp cars in real life destroy tyres in 2nd gear with brutal clutch release, in AC is just a short spin and that's it... UNLESS you go drifting or sideways, this physics issue is mostly irrelevant in racing though. Here like in this video is IMPOSSIBLE for me do in AC... ruclips.net/video/0GYey8rjtko/видео.html
What Ben Colling said is the biggest issue with iRacing tires since the very beggining and they refuse to fix it. At this point I could even go as far as to say they cant even fix it, its been broken for 15 years. He said its a problem with sim racing but no, thats a very specific iRacing problem, AC is not like that, rF1-2 isnt either, AMS1-2 isnt. What pisses me off even more are the clown fanboys who defend this shit like they are iRacing shareholders or something, its a literal cult, especially on their forums. Meanwhile everyone with more than a single braincell aggrees that it is a massive issue, you literally cant go over the limit, if you do you will be sent into an uncontrollable slide and then spin with zero chance of recovery, thats not how cars and tires work, there is no defending that shit... Any game that has realistic on limit behaviour already clears the driving part of iRacing by a long shot. Its fucking baffling to me how the hell is it even possible that there is still no competition for the online part of iRacing, I would honestly drop it immedately, it pisses me off how expensive it is, how they refuse to fix 10+ year old ongoing issues, their garbage netcode, their randomized damage model and on and on. AC Evo, these guys, at this point anyone, I don't care, just please get it right and force some competition that moves things forward.
I never played the OG GTR games but GTR Revival was potentially a much more iconic name than 'project motor racing' which is about as boring as it can be imo. Everything about the game sounds good. Let's hope it can live up to the expectations they're setting
Thanknyou guys.... Fantastic interview. I participated in the Project series funding. I believe it will be a great title..... As there is a carrot to be the best! 😊
I dont trust Ian Bell at all, he liked to silence people who question why PCars 1 was never finished. Both on the PCars and at the PCgamer show many years ago, he did his best to silence anyone he question him on things he didnt like, and also, look at the BS PCars3 was.
I don't believe a single thing Ian Bell says. He promised a bunch of stuff for Project Cars 3, kept bragging how it was ten times better than PC 2 in every way etc. In the end, we got one of the most disappointing racing titles ever. I'll wait until I play this one and see for myself. I suggest you sim racing fellas do the same.
I don't care if it's hyper realistic or simcade . I just wanna have a great driving experience with a good single player. Besides Forza Motorsport there is not much on PC. Even on GT7 on PS dissapointed a bit in that. Just give me my dopamin in progression.
I'll believe when it's out
Agreed.
Fair.. very fair. But Im happy Ian Bell is back to his roots.
and complete with bugs squashded.
Glad they're focusing on a great single player experience, that's where I spend most of my time in!
As for the types of vehicle I'd like to see: 1990's Super Tourers! And the legendary V8 Supercars (from the 70's, 80's, 90's 00's)
Project Cars 2 was and still is my favourite sim racer and play it daily today. Really looking forward to this!
Project Cars 2 had top-notch physics and was best in class, by far. However, it's reputation was being ruined by people who didn't understand cars, knew nothing about vehicle simulation, and thought FFB = physics. These are the people who would play garbage like iRacing, and then run around talking about how that unrealistic pile of crap was a "true sim", because it was 10x harder than real life. Right now, the best simulation in terms of realism, is Assetto Corsa Competizione. The first Assetto Corsa is trash, with nothing but fans of it's FFB to speak highly of the game. But Competizione, is a big step forward, and even more realistic than Project Cars 2.
@@tarqs101 I’d still play PC2 but it’s getting long in the tooth and on console, ps5, it doesn’t look that great.
@@thatfirstone I have tried PC2 but I could never understand why just braking 'in a straight line' resulted in the car spinning , thats why I dropped the game, I really wanted to like the game because the VR was amazing but the handling was one of the worst things I have ever tried
the car was the gt86 cup
@@EvilNando That's due to the car's rear diff setup, and whether or not you've enabled ABS . That's all it is. You should have stuck to the OEM setup, and had electronic assists set to factory, since you didn't quite have a grasp on the mechanics of vehicles.
I'm still having fun with PCars1
I'm glad a former Stig finally addressed my biggest gripe with a lot of racing sims and sim games in general: Artificial difficulty. Many sims try and distinguish themselves by making controlling whatever vehicle it may be harder than it is in real life. You hear this a lot from real world pilots how if planes were as difficult to fly and land as they're portrayed in sims, we'd all be dead. Similar to what the Stig said about driving in the rain. There can be challenge, but it should be organic and as obvious as it sounds, realistic. Not forced just to have the title of simulation vs. game.
Kazanori Yamauchi said something similar re Gran Turismo. The act of driving isn't so devilishly difficult that it's impossible, as hundreds of millions of people do it every day. Even pushing those vehicles at speed around a race track can be done without those same cars suddenly becoming impossible to drive. But hearing that said by someone like Ben Collins with his clear driving and racing pedigree is very welcome.
I think there is a degree of designed difficulty
However I think the difficulty in flight and driving sims comes largely if not mostly from the technical difficulty of making things behave naturally , lack of data, lack of development time and overly complex physics models that are then hard to design or get a specific result from.
You will notice across most sims , it's a compromise between responsive input and snappy movement and balanced stability/smooth movement but then delayed response.
Ben Collins comments are things people have been saying for 20+ years with sims.
Ben and Nicolas Hamilton both gave the exact same feedback when project cars was being developed , all sims have real drivers basically saying the same things as feedback but driver feedback is effectively irrelevant to weather or not the physics engine will end up driving naturally.
GTR2 , AMS1 , NKP , specific mod cars for RF1 work by people like neils husinkveld largely addressed many of the issues. ( Even if those sims are less complex than lots of the newer sims)
The Farming Simulator developers are trustworthy. Thats a good sign for Project Motorsports.
@@ajrichar0 This is correct. Unfortunately KY and PD never grasped that tracks are not snooker tables and race cars are loud, monstrous, visceral places to be. Sound has as much to do with immersion as dynamic movement.
Fir this reason PD games will always be bland
you know what, thats a really good point
Really looking forward to this, the original Project Cars got me into Sim racing - can’t wait to see how this title turns out
Sounds too good to be true. I'm very excited! 👀
You know what your mama said?
"Sounds too good to be true" is exactly the correct reaction to anything Ian Bell has said about his games during the last 10 years.
It's always a "believe it when I see it" with Ian Bell titles. I really appreciate his perspective that you can't just focus on Multiplayer or Single Player, but it needs both. And really looking forward to possibly adding another game in my collection that brings some unique content (like AMS2 as example), instead of only focusing on the most popular with the masses content.
Championships from GTR era would be great as well as the 2009-2011 FIA GT1 series. Sumo GTR’s etc. absolutely epic machines
It's very encouraging that someone like Ben Collins is involved because not only does he know real life race cars inside out, he is also an avid sim racer, so he understands the crossover.
I love Ian Bell's passion since SHIFT 2. We are looking forward for more updates!
Sounds promising, I'm glad they are doing the physics engine from scratch so lets hope they get it right and if they allow mods this could end up being the sim of choice. So good luck to the Ian Bell and the team and please take your time and only release it when it's ready.
You can enjoy more than one sim at a time👍
With Project Motor Racing and Assetto Corsa Evo both having iRacing in their sights as well as Rennsport kind of out in the wild it's an exciting time for sim racing.
Very interested to see what they will do on console as that could define the minimum shared capability for things like online multiplayer if console/PC multiplayer is enabled.
iRacing is already behind many other titles regarding graphics and probably only on par with others regarding physics. However what they offer what others don't is an extensive and well managed racing calendar/schedule that always guarantees you one race or another at any given time. And I don't see another Developer overtaking them with this.
@@TonysRacing600 kings can always fall.
Chances are many who play iRacing regularly have other sim installed so not 100% committed to iRacing.
If another game with better physics and graphics can get enough traction to crack the online racing then many will at least try it.
The cost of switching is so low others can make a major dent into the market.
To me, iRacing real strength is the sunk cost. People don’t like switching where they believe they’ll lose what they already spent.
It’s why gambling is so bad. I’m down a £1,000 but one more bet and I’ll win it back.
I’ve spent £1,000 on iRacing. If I switch now that money is wasted.
Looking at the numbers still playing Assetto Corsa a new entry could win over the non iRacing market initially. Build its user base to a point where the match racing is as good as iRacing but with better graphics and physics making it worthwhile for iRacers to at least trying it.
If it scratches their itch they some of them may stay. Then, more may come.
It's always good when a developer promotes VR.
It's a pity that the name GT Revival won't be there, but I hope that the essence of their roots will be the same as GTR 2 and Project Cars until part 2
"You need a great single player career mode". Fucking YES!
I'm worried that this'll end up in development hell
Unlikely as Giant software have a very good reputation unlike Codemasters/EA and they are unlikely to interfere.
its indeed better to have low expectations...
@@somecallmetim42 The problem isn't the publisher, but the massive Bellend called Ian. I suppose you're not familiar with his antics?
@@Law0fRevenge Please, do explain
@@Law0fRevenge You mean Codemasters' antics.
I've kept up with the progress of this game via twitter/X and am really excited by the thoughts that are going into this game. Hopefully it's executed well but all the right things are being said. VR is a bit thing for me too, so happy to hear of this. I also saw a feature on AI commentary, I believe for this game. I love that idea. It's something new, I'm sure you could disable it if it wasn't for you but I absolutely love the idea. It'll make your race much more interesting and you'll get a feel for what's going on. Also when watching your own replays back, it'll be more authentic and immersive if done right!
I am Ian Bell team, he brought me to VR and sim racing with Shift 1 and 2 and PC1 and 2!!!!
Same, just on top of that PC1 earned me cash 💰! Later I was baptised by Assetto Corsa which is currently by far the best sim when heavily modded.
Im pumped for this. PC2 is still one of my favorite racers despite its issues. Im hoping for more real road sections and alot of real world cars, not just race cars.
Ian Bell is an incredible wonderful game developer who has never let anyone down and absolutely listens to customer feedback or at least that is what RUclips insists I say about him.
He sold me a nice bridge in brooklyn and some magic beans
WOOOOw !!! Going back to a Project cars style game ?! 🤩🤩 I LOVED PC2 !! Did lots of endurance races on that game like the 24h of le mans, would be very cool to do it with the modern cars !!! Bring it on baby !!
This will be directly competing with ACE. I know which way I'll be going. Good luck to both of them.
I know which way I'll be going. Getting both.
This is all music to my ears, tho im used to keeping my expectations grounded over the years since Assetto corsa, we desperately need another landmark racing simulator. Looking forward to trying this out.
Good news.
GTR2 is still my favorite racing game :)
Oh wow it sounds like the perfect game that everyone should 100% pre order right now
Ben is right about how tyre models in sims are so often too peaky IMO. It's rubber on tarmac and in a lot of sims I feel like it changes suddenly to hard plastic on tarmac when breaking traction. But I guess for most people this feels more realistic so I've learned to live with it. Still I'm glad Ben worked on PC2 because it really still feels like a breath of fresh air to hoon around in that game. In the end it's a matter of taste really. It'll always be an approximation of some really complex stuff. And most modern sims get close enough.
I agree with "often". But it is more often IMO that tires are on the opposite in simulations. I haven't played iRacing for years, but when I did it definitely had tires that lost way too much grip when sliding immediately after peak slip angles. In AC tires are little bit lacking grip drop when sliding IMO, but that also depends on a car, comes close though. I think rF2 is best at it, although it also has a lot of cars that does come to that a little differently, early rF2 ISI cars were pretty good IMO, although also I think each car is to be discussed individually, some years ago before they updated their tire parameters logic S397 (later developer of rF2) had their cars too much biased for sliding, thus to achieve best possible times they needed to be driven a bit too far past peak slip, later IMO they improved tires greatly and now they are much closer and tires were actually made to loose more grip with greater slips.... so I would say that actually in simulations tires have too little change of grip level when transitioning from peak angles to full slip.
IMO it is pretty easy to observe IRL how much cars can take on turns before starting slipping, and then AFTER that before slipping very hard. There are a lot of variables to that that makes it not that straight forward topic. Tire compounds, the velocities of sliding, the temperatures impact, the way tire rubber shear works, the conditions of road surface, the structure of tire. Besides tire aerodynamics plays quite a big role. The setup of car, the way chassis works and how masses are distributed....
Coming back to tire. The plain simple ratio of static vs sliding friction does a lot for how progressive and controllable car is at transients of limits. Thats in physical tire models. The problem about giving cars too much high slip friendly physics is that normal good grip needs to be curbed, made worse - so the total grip and thus car pace would remain realistic enough. Some people confuses that with tires sliding too much. No - then tires slides too little, but they slide too early and too easily. Devs might often be inclined to set tires this way, because otherwise, as you say, tires might seem if they are made of hard plastic as soon as they slip, because some tires actually should be this way - developing insane amounts of static friction, and once past peak slip angle the moment whole tire contact patch is sliding no more static contact remains, lots of tire friction goes away within few degrees of slip + if aero stalls and it is high speed, it will be unlikely to recover this car without impressive reaction and evasive action on point.
Have to look IRL driving footage, usually it is simply visible how fast these tires speak at over the limit. Unfortunately sometimes simracers want a tire that performs like most modern wide super soft racing radial slick, that at the same time would be as porgressive and controllable as narrowish 60s bias ply hard compound tires. Not to mention also that modern cars also are heavy on downforce, and downforce has a tendency to stall too on high yaw angles, resulting in even crazier grip losses.
What Ben Collins said should end all discussions about about hard means real. For me, Raceroom does at best, but sadly has no rain effects or day/night cycle.
I hope they deliver on what Ben was saying, a realistic tyre model at and beyond the limit. I don't ask for an abundance of content.
"A great single player career mode" Yup - sold - loved GTR/GTR2/GT Legends/PC1/PC2 so bring it on Wookie man !
Exciting… Project cars 2 started my journey into SIM racing. Looking forward to this next project!
What would draw me over from iRacing or would make it the best Single/Multiplayer sim would be the following:
1) Improvements in VR without the need for top of the line hardware
2) Improved and accurate incident assessments. i.e. another driver contacting you should not result in you having an incident point assessed. This happens in iRacing a lot.
3)A true AI Steward. One that can accurately evaluated an incident and determine who's at fault realtime and then perhaps assess penalties for the at fault driver such as: drive through, next race grid penalty, financial/safety rating penalty, etc based on the rule that was violated.
5)Accurate and realistic FFB model. Ideally the ability to load the correct FFB setting/profile for the specific vehicle that accurately replicates the feeling of the real car. Today us sim racers still have to guess what the appropriate FFB strength and FFB characteristics by tuning certain wheel base parameters. I want to load a profile based on my wheel base and get a realistic idea what the real wheel forces feel like when driving. But if the user does want to tune they can.
6) And of course all of the features like iRacing already has i.e. accurate weather physics. Speaking of weather the ability to get realtime weather from perhaps nearby weather stations.
I hope they bring back the Driving School from GTR2. That was where I really learned the mechanics behind driving in a sim.
Talking points sound good, but I'm not getting exited untill I learn how good is the physics model and what business model are they planning to do.
I am glad they change the name to Project Motor Racing, it sounds more appealing than GTRevival lol. I can't wait for what they're cooking up. One of the greatest features is the AI commentary, if it's still in the game, that'll be amazing. PC1 and PC2 are the reason I am into sim racing. Now, only enjoying AMS2.
Sim racing is my favorite pastime. Any news that we can get on new games that look to push the envelope of technology and innovation is a welcome.
At least it's confirmed that there's no terrible Unreal Engine. Now let's hope for forward rendering + MSAA + quad views support in VR. Then it's going to be insane! Gl with the development Ian+team.
5:06 THANK YOU for addressing single player !
I just learned that this game is being worked on by a studio led by Ian Bell. He called me something similar to bollocks in his forum back when PCars were still on "Early Access" just because I need a guidance on why some things don't work certain ways for its confusing UI (not even reporting a bug). He's also known to hopping from project to project despite knowing the game isn't fully polished and could do some improvements. Because of him, it's all about seeing is believing for this one
We need special license for racers who run the sim on 100% simulation.
Hello sounds like ams 3 or what pc 3 should have been.
I want to see next gen VR graphics that are on par with current flat screen graphics. I know it's hard to accomplish but this is what I am waiting for in a sim. I have high hopes for AC EVO because it's a different graphics engine.
first you need a 50-60ppd headset.
then quad view rendering.
and a rtx 6090-8090
@@der60er I see that you have actually sat down and calculated this. I like that. Really what I'm hoping for is a good step up from AMS2 VR that runs smoothly with a 5090 and a 35ppd hmd with eye tracking and a dfr option in the game or even better quad rendering.
I may be one of the few that would like to see this as a console port. The 'plug and play' ease that I got from PC2 and get from GT7 and EA WRC is critical for time-poor players like myself. Sure, I have a PC with modded Assetto Corsa, but that's a game I have to schedule to boot up and invest in.
A great single player experience, on cars that are *not* GT3s, on console, is my fervent hope.
More racing games that aim for the simulation market are good. We are surely entering a golden age for driving sims right now.
It sounds like a lot of "this would be nice if we do this" but I'm sure I'm not alone when I say "I'll believe it when we see it"
Looking forward to it...
Hopefully, with an OST as good as PC2's.
VR-supported racing game from the creators of Project Cars - automatic buy!
Ian Bell is iconic 😁
e un gradito ritorno ho giocato molto su gtr2 speriamo bene..
Happy to hear an update. I would like to see one or feel one next.
I really like the plan and this would probably be my favorite sim if all goes to plan.
it sounds good and he speaks with a lot of confidence and conviction. I hope it's on all platforms because it's annoying not having something like iracing on console, and PC2 was a great game
Chuck in some Nascar :)I am overall very exited about the sound of this project and enjoy a variety of different series. Mainly solo but when I do dip my toes in the online arena it's very hard to beat iRacing other than the costs involved. Good video thank you!
I live near by the Bells stakehouse, went to the place a couple of times already...it's probably the best dry aged meat you can find in Munich area. Now I know what is behind the name :)
I sometimes fantasize for way too long about a game that would be a mix of simracing and world of warcraft
World of racecraft haha
You’d have a massive open world with hundreds of tracks
A big capital for people to show off their achievements
League events
You could make such a variety of events like a targa florio or a touge competition or a hillclimb or rally, ovals or anything the open world can take and keep the game alive
Obviously it will be super pvp
oriented but it would be fun to start with a lvl 1 slow car like a mazda mx5 or and fictional slow car and built it through quests crafting and genrally pve stuff, being able to sell and exchange parts or livery through an auction system
Pretty much as many Word of warcraft mechanics you can have and replace the fighting with driving
Am i the only one?
I'm glad they changed game engines. I hope it's something bespoke to the needs of VR sim racing.
I would like more historic tracks and cars. TF would be a dream come true.
Enjoy the steaks, guys.
Focus on a simple and intuitive UI that gets you racing quickly with solid physics and go from there.
Great news that you have vr in mind from the start. Can't wait.
Is that the same Ian Bell who co-wrote Elite with David Braben way back on the BBC?
My only advice to PMR is to focus on making a good physics engine. Also to dare to not tick boxes, for example, I'm totally fine if there are no setups, no AI/ multiplayer, or no pit stops AS LONG AS the sim is good at one/ a few things above all the sim feeling realistic when driving.
Honestly, this has activated zones in my nervous system. I'm so excited I'm drooling right now. If this turns out to be as good as pC2 was in its year of release I would be happy.
Super excited about this hopefully it will be the spiritual successor to PC2. I was really put of by PC3 with it's mass market appeal SIMcade approach.
At this point it's just a list of promises that it will be the best thing ever. Impossible to judge until there is a real, existing game.
Ian Bell, I'll buy it if PS5 PSVR2 support! and I will definitely stop considering buying Asseto Corsa Evo. I am totally with your vision, VR, good multi and good single modes, all I heard from this video is what Im a looking for a very long time. Do it ! I want even be your PS5 VR pro tester !
I-Racing weather system is a must have!
Is their weather system good? From what I know about iRacing, the guys at iRacing aren't very good at anything besides marketing, and inspiring fanboys. Their simulation has been garbage for the longest, and still isn't that great. I mean, iRacing still doesn't even have tyre flex, and their aero simulation needs a lot of work, judging by their GT cars. Project Cars 2 had a very good and highly advanced weather system, and I doubt iRacing's implementation comes close to that.
Saving mid race feature, to accomplish 24-hour race without staying for whole day in front of pc ;)
Goals are matching my expectations, we'll see how end results in future.
Currently the best game for me is AMS2, because its improvement from PC2.
Would be good to see a sim that focuses on retro cars and series. Outside of Assetto Corsa mods and Automobilista 2 there is very little and in those I'm not sure how accurate the handling and quality control is. I've got an AC mod of the entire grid of the JGTC 2000 season, it would be amazing to see something like that but with the resources of a whole studio behind it and a better idea of what the cars actually handle like. Might seem niche but those cars and liveries are iconic in Gran Turismo so could get some serious interest.
Thank god he did not call it Project Motor Simracing.
Then again, knowing his character, it would be more fitting.
Every game I've played that has Ian bells fingerprints on it has been great. GTR2 was the first sim i owned that for me properly into sim racing, and project cars 2 definitely pulled me further into soon racing, i know i shouldn't get my hopes up yet, but i can't help but be excited and have high expectations for this title
Good luck guys I hope your game will be the best and hope the bmw M3 gtr lm in the game.
This is Huge HELL YEAH
I played GTR, GTR2 and GTLegends from release.
If they can port well to PS5 and PSVR2 they can have my money now.
They don’t have space for a proper gaming pc set up now with kiddies etc so that is what I’d really like.
What can go wrong ? fingers crossed.
I want the De Tomaso Pantera in this
its the orginal team who did gtr2 and that was good but times its diffrent but if it be good fysik game type gtr2 it will have populery....
This was actually a very engaging video.
It'll be two years before we see it
Oh wow. They're building it from the ground up. Just like Le Mans Ultimate and Rensport......
Ok. So far, it seems Ian Bell is someplace where EA can't buy him... Hopefully.
Fingers crossed and I wish Straight4 and Giants much success.
I gave GTR-2 a go, and it definitely comes across as the original PCARS, in presentation and visuals. It was an intresting little bit of time I spent with the game.
Loved this! Looking forward to this 🫶
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i really hope the physics will be more realistic then PC2,its same team so i'm hopping they are capable to learn from thier previous mistakes.
It's actually quite simple what it takes:
Hardware:
VR support
Full motion support
Muti Screen Support
PvP:
Fair ranking and ranking for AI
Realistic license (focus on NO crashes)
Racing based on license than ranking not vice versa
Group league where at least once a year wipe is made for the ranking within the group ( See real soccer league in Germany )
Multiplayer:
Easy to set up multiplayer server
Fill up races with AI for missing drivers
Software:
very good AI
Several car classes, open wheel and sports cars
All known tracks
Own liveries
Good graphics
Mandatory that you can only drive from the cockpit view
NO addons allowed (all same condition)
different setups only from the manufacturer for all (same conditions for all drivers) NO custom setups
Physics:
Laser scan tracks
Realistic physics
Realistic sound
realistic force feedback
It can be that simple and all others would be history ....
Just not simple is it
I think you just proved it's not simple at all.
Also, you forgot driver swaps for multiplayer enduro.
7:29 No the biggest problem with racing sims is there's a lot of hype for years then the game vanishes into the nether.
If Duke Nukem was a racing game...
Isn’t it running on unreal engine 5? Based on his earlier twitter screenshots?
Instead of everyone working on their own title in their own corners, how about consolidating simracing for once and working on becoming a great modding team for upcoming AC Evo instead for example
Seems like Lamborghini history
Hardcore and also casual, single player career and multi-player on the highest level?
So exactly like pcars 3?? Wow
Assetto Corsa somehow makes every car feel at least twice less powerful than it should be. For example, some random 400hp car barely spin tyres in a straight line on 2nd gear, this just drives me nuts as this still the best sim out there...
@@viktorianas that's funny I find that some cars have too little grip. For example I used to own an e90 m3. In game the e92 m3 spins more than mine ever did. And I only ever ran regular tires on it (pss and ps4s)
@@memememine1 you are probably talking about lateral grip, but I am talking about longitudinal, 200hp cars in real life destroy tyres in 2nd gear with brutal clutch release, in AC is just a short spin and that's it... UNLESS you go drifting or sideways, this physics issue is mostly irrelevant in racing though. Here like in this video is IMPOSSIBLE for me do in AC... ruclips.net/video/0GYey8rjtko/видео.html
It sounds like still in relatively early stages
What Ben Colling said is the biggest issue with iRacing tires since the very beggining and they refuse to fix it. At this point I could even go as far as to say they cant even fix it, its been broken for 15 years. He said its a problem with sim racing but no, thats a very specific iRacing problem, AC is not like that, rF1-2 isnt either, AMS1-2 isnt. What pisses me off even more are the clown fanboys who defend this shit like they are iRacing shareholders or something, its a literal cult, especially on their forums. Meanwhile everyone with more than a single braincell aggrees that it is a massive issue, you literally cant go over the limit, if you do you will be sent into an uncontrollable slide and then spin with zero chance of recovery, thats not how cars and tires work, there is no defending that shit...
Any game that has realistic on limit behaviour already clears the driving part of iRacing by a long shot. Its fucking baffling to me how the hell is it even possible that there is still no competition for the online part of iRacing, I would honestly drop it immedately, it pisses me off how expensive it is, how they refuse to fix 10+ year old ongoing issues, their garbage netcode, their randomized damage model and on and on. AC Evo, these guys, at this point anyone, I don't care, just please get it right and force some competition that moves things forward.
SMS had something special and they threw it all away with PC3.
Looking forward to PMR but Ian Bell made a lot of huge claims in this interview - hard not to be skeptical.
I never played the OG GTR games but GTR Revival was potentially a much more iconic name than 'project motor racing' which is about as boring as it can be imo.
Everything about the game sounds good. Let's hope it can live up to the expectations they're setting
Do we know what engine is being used? I hope it is not Unreal Engine
It was already published earlier that they dropped Unreal. We will soo have more news about that topic! -Michel
Being on console, I just want a decent frame rate.
What will it be next month?
Project GT Legends
we for sure need another half backed production on the market, eh
Thanknyou guys.... Fantastic interview.
I participated in the Project series funding.
I believe it will be a great title..... As there is a carrot to be the best! 😊
I dont trust Ian Bell at all, he liked to silence people who question why PCars 1 was never finished. Both on the PCars and at the PCgamer show many years ago, he did his best to silence anyone he question him on things he didnt like, and also, look at the BS PCars3 was.
I don't believe a single thing Ian Bell says. He promised a bunch of stuff for Project Cars 3, kept bragging how it was ten times better than PC 2 in every way etc. In the end, we got one of the most disappointing racing titles ever. I'll wait until I play this one and see for myself. I suggest you sim racing fellas do the same.
I don't care if it's hyper realistic or simcade . I just wanna have a great driving experience with a good single player. Besides Forza Motorsport there is not much on PC. Even on GT7 on PS dissapointed a bit in that. Just give me my dopamin in progression.
Besides Forza there is not much on PC? You should try some grown-ups games. There's several.