With such quality brands behind you on this project and you guys' knowledge of electrical and tuning, this is gonna be one of the neatest running RX-7's around!
Looks like property in Queenstown could get a bit cheaper soon...just sayin #peerpressure Miss you too mang! We're well overdue a catch up and will have the old girl up and braping soon all going to plan - Taz.
Yet another great video. This one was particularly strong in its "subtle irony" examples, which Kiwis are total masters at. Oh yes, lots of superb automotive stuff too. Thanks Andre & HPA crew.
@@honkiebikedude haha no I actually have always had a soft spot for rotaries and the FD chassis in particular. The thing that gives rotary engines a bad reputation is that everyone thinks they can build their own engine in the back shed with a hammer, a chisel and a bent spoon, and then they take them to tuners who try and tune them like a piston engine. The results are predictably terrible - Andre
I can’t wait for more rotary content from HPA!! Busy with a rotary project myself so I’ll definitely be following this! Keep up the great content! With every video and lesson I just get more amped to get going again!!💪🏼💪🏼
Yeeeeeeeesssss🙌... Finally some fd goodness.. As a fellow FD owner and masochist, I can't wait for updates and spying some of your trickery and there advantages..
Very nice little car, and the white keeps it even more 'low key' as the best way to interact with the local constabulary is to avoid it in the first place. 2:35 - nice delivery! Better follow up 2:40! 6:45 - that's rather close to the rubber boot and rack - I assume you're going to be using plenty of shielding there for radiant heat?
Yea we haven't got the heat wrap on at this point but will be paying special attention to not melting stuff. It's incredibly tight there so the plumbing is as far away as possible from sensitive bits.
I look forward to future episodes. I already like this series, great mix of the usual top-notch professionalism with a little bit of relaxed humour added. Plus, it's a rotary.🔻🔺💯thanks guys!!
Also hoping you use this to do some videos on rotary specific and maybe adaptronic modular tuning as i have both. I have the turbosource turbo kit also haha. I'd definitely pay for that training. I bought you start package for stand alone. Just finished the efi fundamentals. It did leave me with some rotary specific questions but going to wait till i finish the AFR and tuning courses before i ask incase they get covered in there. :)
As soon as this car is running, we're adding an Adaptronic Worked Example using it to the Practical Standalone Tuning course. If you already have that, it will appear there for free for you 🤓 In the meantime you should watch these: www.hpacademy.com/previous-webinars/062-fuel-tuning-rotary-link-g4-2/ www.hpacademy.com/previous-webinars/043-rotary-ignition-tuning-link-g4-vipec/ Hope that helps, and enjoy - Taz.
@@hpa101 oh yes that should definitely help some. Also ya i have the standalone course so that is good to hear. I plan on going thru that some next week. I'll keep a lookout for when you add the adaptronic portion!
Great overview, Can't wait to get my M6000 ECU tuned on my GTiR. As for the ORC clutch. have one in my CA18DET powered race car. hold the power and wasn't too bad on the streedt before that was no longer appropriate.
Excellent work. The full length gate exhaust looks interesting. it would be cool to see a test on circ that back in, wouldn’t it scavenge at a certain speed similar to a long tube header??
So excited for this! What’s the plan for the tuning content? Webinars? Worked example add on for practical tuning course? Separate rotary specific course? Either way I’m in!
Going to start with an Adaptronic Worked Example in the Standalone tuning course at this stage and some webinars to compliment that. Trying to work out a bit more structure when it comes to the ECUs we feature and some specific functions like cold start and acceleration enrichment etc for webinars too to fill in a few blanks. The to-do list just gets bigger and bigger haha. Hope you're keeping well mate! - Taz 👨🏻
High Performance Academy so glad to hear this plan. I have a stock REW with an 8374 and DBW so André’s tune should be extremely relatable to me. And I’ve been considering Adaptronic for my rx8, as it’s the only PnP option. 🍻
Are those standard industrial Honeywell pressure transducers for the back-pressure sensing? I've built a couple compression testers with them and wondered if they'd be suitable to performing back-pressure testing, but the heat was a worry. Is that the reason for the extensive lines and remote mounting? Do you use the same sensors on the intake side to measure intake and port restrictions?
Yup, just the typical 150 psi Honeywell sensor. The trick is to get the heat out of the sensor which is achieved with the coiled line running to them. The same style of sensor but with a more appropriate range can be used on the intake side.
Wish u guys went with mounting the dbw under the uim. Would love to get one of those and retain my ac. Also, much respect to Andy and Adaptronic and what they've accomplished. I had the Modular on my car and had pretty good results with it, but more recently swapped over to the Haltech Elite 1500 and have to say, I prefer the Elite. It's a more polished solution with better software configurability and their support seems to be better at this point. I'd recommend that you guys produce rotary content with the Haltech as it'll probably reach a wider audience and be more relevant going forward. I'm sure Andy won't mind too much as he's a part of Haltech now ;)
Douglas Jardine you can just use Full Function Engineering’s adapter and run a Chevy LS DBW throttle body. Much easier install and despite being huge, mine isles just fine. I’ve heard that the Adaptronic support and development as suffered greatly from Andy’s move to Haltech. No personal experience though, still the only PnP option for my Rx8 so 🤷🏻♂️
When converting the stock throttle body to DBW, Do you have to adjust or change the spring load on the butterfly's? Also what ign-1a mount are you using?
Yes, we've removed the main return spring from the throttle body otherwise we felt we might be overloading the dbw motor. There is still a secondary return spring for safety. We will know more once we can see what the motor duty cycles look like in operation. The coil mount is by Vinny Fab - facebook.com/vinnyfabnz/
i love the look of the FD RX7, but i don't know if i can tolerate the commitment the rotory engine needs...but if i did build one, it would be a 4 rotor turbo a la 787b💪
Great video. Which material did you use to print the bracket? I moved my 3D printer to the garage as the the PLA fumes were making my throat feel funny .
Yewww🤙🏼I love the detail and expertise you guys put into your builds so looking forward to that! I would like to do a 350, 4 pot build for my next drift car; thinking K20/24 or 3rz. Keen to see how you handle the cooling and everything
How are you guys gonna go with New Zealand ditching Ethanol? Can you get it from a particular places and get a drum, or are you gonna have to make your own blend?
Their engine is unopened. So it would be as Mazda has intended. I've built FD 13b rew bridgeports with 2 thou clearance. In my FD I run pump E85 only though which burns cooler and it's been reliable for 3 years so far with over 500whp, with very little fuel dilution between service intervals. This worked for me, what works for you may differ but off the top of my head I think Mazda specs are between 2-6 thou for the 13b turbo
Billet housing time ? Yes billet is always good Go for a McLeod clutch still the best clutch I have used even on a twin disc the cantilever system makes it feel like a mild single disc on the street
Once you start 3d printing mock parts. You will wonder why you waited so long to start 3d printing. As you get better with CAD you will start printing jigs and fixtures. The more you do it. The easier it gets. The bigger your library of 3d models gets.
I'm already regretting not having access to this technology back when I was building drag cars! It just expands the potential for what we can do in house, and allows us to work to a higher level.
Hi Andre I really love your videos and it is fantastic that you are spotlighting the wonderful things that Kiwi innovation can do for us. You are an awesome guy and I really appreciated the service that you gave me when you owned Speedtech in wellington. I have one small suggestion / request. I watch your videos in the evening when there is nothing much to watch on broadcast tv. Lets face it that is a lot of the time. My partner who is the most awesome person I have ever met and who managed to manage her mental illness to sail over 5000 miles around the the south pacific with me overhears what you say. She has struggled with OCD her whole adult life and when you say you are OCD about you FD it makes her feel belittled. I realize that is not your intention but please understand that this is an awful thing and people struggle with it in a way that we really can't understand or thankfully never will. So please...... Be obsessive, passionate, focused .... or anything but please not OCD that is an aweful disease that you would not inflict on your worst enemy. Best regards Paddy
Hey Paddy! Hope all is well and thanks for the kind words. You're absolutely right, that wasn't my intention at all and I'm definitely not trying to belittle anyone. Perhaps not the ideal terminology there. Apologies to your partner - Andre
@@Popes_Projects We talked to his old tuner a while back, otherwise, sadly we haven't had the chance to chat to him. Maybe with RaceCraft but the dude is pretty always flatout at events and spends a lot of time with his fanbase (which is awesome) - Taz.
2 1300 cc injectors and 2 1700 cc injectors is not enough for e85. I ran out of injectors with that same setup at 380whp on e85 Replace the 2 1700 with the new 2600s
brianawd I was thinking the same thing. But what a great way to teach us all a lesson of what to look for when the fuel system is your limit. Future webinar? lol. It is however the perfect size for pump gas and this turbo which is what they intend to use mainly, so perhaps they don’t intend to go for big power on ethanol. It is a stock engine after all.
Pope's Projects They mentioned that they would be running. E85 down the road. My 380hp was on a 7670 on a stock motor. Had I had bigger injectors or 2 more 1700(do now) hp would have been easily over 400. Boost and timing had to be tapped down from about 6k to keep injector duty cycle happy. With them running the 8474 they may as well plan for the power that turbo can make on e85 now vs having to upgrade again down the road Just my personal opinion
haha, well we won't doing anything about number 1 there as a left hook street car is no fun in a country where you drive on the left hand side of the road, but that Red RX7 will end up with an LS at some stage. The white one is going to forever be OG rotary though in our ownership ;) - Taz.
Understanding that you're not getting too serious yet, but in the future it would be excellent to see you guys develop an electrically actuated semi-PP inlet system. I saw that Carlos Lopez had started developing a vac-actuated system but you boys are more clever than that right!
Interesting idea and not one that I'd considered or seen! I'm still back and forth on exactly what direction we want to go with porting when we get to that level but thanks for making the suggestion - Andre
I thought it was clever also, and with intelligent control, I think you could be on the leading edge of development. Shame that wont be able to catch you lads at Goodwood this year. Congrats on a year of fine content, great stuff.........hope to see some dynamic rotary porting content in the future :D
Stuart Milne isn’t that the same concept as the 6 port Renesis uses? Granted it’s not P-Port, but the same idea. While it does increase power slightly, it’s only marginally down low on a NA motor. Seems like a lot of work to fill in the powerband on a semi-pp, why not just run a little more boost on a large street port and achieve the same result?
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With such quality brands behind you on this project and you guys' knowledge of electrical and tuning, this is gonna be one of the neatest running RX-7's around!
#nopressure 😂 - Taz.
This vlog is soooo bittersweet for two reasons. Miss the car and miss you guys :-). Love what you're doing with it.
Looks like property in Queenstown could get a bit cheaper soon...just sayin #peerpressure
Miss you too mang! We're well overdue a catch up and will have the old girl up and braping soon all going to plan - Taz.
Yet another great video.
This one was particularly strong in its "subtle irony" examples, which Kiwis are total masters at.
Oh yes, lots of superb automotive stuff too.
Thanks Andre & HPA crew.
" At the time, the car wasn't running... like most rotaries."
I smell something burnt.
Besides the usual oil, I mean.
" At the time, the car wasn't running... like most rotaries." …
… What he really wants to say
"I F***ing hate rotaries but we need lockdown content ."
@@honkiebikedude haha no I actually have always had a soft spot for rotaries and the FD chassis in particular. The thing that gives rotary engines a bad reputation is that everyone thinks they can build their own engine in the back shed with a hammer, a chisel and a bent spoon, and then they take them to tuners who try and tune them like a piston engine. The results are predictably terrible - Andre
I can’t wait for more rotary content from HPA!! Busy with a rotary project myself so I’ll definitely be following this! Keep up the great content! With every video and lesson I just get more amped to get going again!!💪🏼💪🏼
The FD is a beauty! Looking forward to seeing more on this project :)
Yes rotary content ! Vlog style videos ftw !!!!!!
This is incredibly exciting! What a great example of a FD RX-7, they look so good in white. Looking forward to the course content 🙌
Yeeeeeeeesssss🙌...
Finally some fd goodness..
As a fellow FD owner and masochist, I can't wait for updates and spying some of your trickery and there advantages..
Very nice little car, and the white keeps it even more 'low key' as the best way to interact with the local constabulary is to avoid it in the first place.
2:35 - nice delivery! Better follow up 2:40!
6:45 - that's rather close to the rubber boot and rack - I assume you're going to be using plenty of shielding there for radiant heat?
Yea we haven't got the heat wrap on at this point but will be paying special attention to not melting stuff. It's incredibly tight there so the plumbing is as far away as possible from sensitive bits.
Cannot wait for more rotary content on HPA
SUPER STOKED YOUR DIPPING YOUR TOES INTO THE ROTARY SCENE, as a gold member i look forward to more on this
Cheers Shaun, it's been a long time coming but getting there for you guys - Taz.
Loving the vlog style!
Just what was needed! The only thing missing from HP was Rotors
That looks just like Zacs old one. What a solid base, that thing was loved!
I love this channel. You’ve definitely earned more of my attention with this build.
Really appreciate the vlogs great content
Maybe it's time for a bit of a shop tour???
Love a fd. I own a montego blue fd 😊 good job 👌
hell yeah! looking forward to seeing updates now!
Kudos for the printed bracket
I love this type of stuff !
their is always something to learn in your videos
This is great, vlog style is awesome
I look forward to future episodes. I already like this series, great mix of the usual top-notch professionalism with a little bit of relaxed humour added. Plus, it's a rotary.🔻🔺💯thanks guys!!
Cheers mate!
great stuff!amazing job!keep educating in High Revs!!!
Definitely looking forward to see more of this car :)
Also hoping you use this to do some videos on rotary specific and maybe adaptronic modular tuning as i have both. I have the turbosource turbo kit also haha. I'd definitely pay for that training. I bought you start package for stand alone. Just finished the efi fundamentals. It did leave me with some rotary specific questions but going to wait till i finish the AFR and tuning courses before i ask incase they get covered in there. :)
As soon as this car is running, we're adding an Adaptronic Worked Example using it to the Practical Standalone Tuning course. If you already have that, it will appear there for free for you 🤓
In the meantime you should watch these:
www.hpacademy.com/previous-webinars/062-fuel-tuning-rotary-link-g4-2/
www.hpacademy.com/previous-webinars/043-rotary-ignition-tuning-link-g4-vipec/
Hope that helps, and enjoy - Taz.
@@hpa101 oh yes that should definitely help some. Also ya i have the standalone course so that is good to hear. I plan on going thru that some next week. I'll keep a lookout for when you add the adaptronic portion!
This is such a great channel. Thank you
That's a nice solution to save swapping out the factory throttle body 👌 only issue I have is I've put my alternator there 😅
Great overview,
Can't wait to get my M6000 ECU tuned on my GTiR.
As for the ORC clutch. have one in my CA18DET powered race car. hold the power and wasn't too bad on the streedt before that was no longer appropriate.
Excellent work. The full length gate exhaust looks interesting. it would be cool to see a test on circ that back in, wouldn’t it scavenge at a certain speed similar to a long tube header??
So excited for this! What’s the plan for the tuning content? Webinars? Worked example add on for practical tuning course? Separate rotary specific course? Either way I’m in!
Going to start with an Adaptronic Worked Example in the Standalone tuning course at this stage and some webinars to compliment that.
Trying to work out a bit more structure when it comes to the ECUs we feature and some specific functions like cold start and acceleration enrichment etc for webinars too to fill in a few blanks.
The to-do list just gets bigger and bigger haha. Hope you're keeping well mate! - Taz 👨🏻
High Performance Academy so glad to hear this plan. I have a stock REW with an 8374 and DBW so André’s tune should be extremely relatable to me. And I’ve been considering Adaptronic for my rx8, as it’s the only PnP option. 🍻
Are those standard industrial Honeywell pressure transducers for the back-pressure sensing?
I've built a couple compression testers with them and wondered if they'd be suitable to performing back-pressure testing, but the heat was a worry. Is that the reason for the extensive lines and remote mounting?
Do you use the same sensors on the intake side to measure intake and port restrictions?
Yup, just the typical 150 psi Honeywell sensor. The trick is to get the heat out of the sensor which is achieved with the coiled line running to them. The same style of sensor but with a more appropriate range can be used on the intake side.
Wish u guys went with mounting the dbw under the uim. Would love to get one of those and retain my ac.
Also, much respect to Andy and Adaptronic and what they've accomplished. I had the Modular on my car and had pretty good results with it, but more recently swapped over to the Haltech Elite 1500 and have to say, I prefer the Elite. It's a more polished solution with better software configurability and their support seems to be better at this point. I'd recommend that you guys produce rotary content with the Haltech as it'll probably reach a wider audience and be more relevant going forward. I'm sure Andy won't mind too much as he's a part of Haltech now ;)
Douglas Jardine you can just use Full Function Engineering’s adapter and run a Chevy LS DBW throttle body. Much easier install and despite being huge, mine isles just fine.
I’ve heard that the Adaptronic support and development as suffered greatly from Andy’s move to Haltech. No personal experience though, still the only PnP option for my Rx8 so 🤷🏻♂️
Nothing more fun than clicking on a video to see a rotary build just to see the host shit on rotaries.
We own two mate, we wouldn't if we didn't really love them 😉- Taz.
That cloesup of the printer when the piece moved made me laugh hahah
Yeah, we've had a few issues with that as its gotten colder. Have a heater on either side of it for now - Taz.
When converting the stock throttle body to DBW, Do you have to adjust or change the spring load on the butterfly's?
Also what ign-1a mount are you using?
Yes, we've removed the main return spring from the throttle body otherwise we felt we might be overloading the dbw motor. There is still a secondary return spring for safety. We will know more once we can see what the motor duty cycles look like in operation. The coil mount is by Vinny Fab - facebook.com/vinnyfabnz/
@@hpa101 thanks for the reply, looking forward to seeing how it turns out
Is there a particular reason why you chose to go EWG instead of IWG? Cheers. Looking to get the same turbo for my 93 FD3S.
i love the look of the FD RX7, but i don't know if i can tolerate the commitment the rotory engine needs...but if i did build one, it would be a 4 rotor turbo a la 787b💪
can you do a tour of the building, it looks so clean and well setup?
Finally! 🙌🙌🙌🙌
Great video. Which material did you use to print the bracket?
I moved my 3D printer to the garage as the the PLA fumes were making my throat feel funny .
Have you considered changing the clutch to push type?
Keen as for these style videos! Are we likely to see anything on your SRVET 350?
Yes sir! - Taz.
Yewww🤙🏼I love the detail and expertise you guys put into your builds so looking forward to that! I would like to do a 350, 4 pot build for my next drift car; thinking K20/24 or 3rz. Keen to see how you handle the cooling and everything
How are you guys gonna go with New Zealand ditching Ethanol? Can you get it from a particular places and get a drum, or are you gonna have to make your own blend?
We already have to buy it by the drum and mix it, but it's only used for racing so not a big deal - Taz.
Easy, swinging in there with the Rotary jibes...
Everything has pros and cons, but it wouldn't be here if there weren't more pros than cons for us to be fair =) - Taz.
1:00 giggidy 😂😂😂 dahm, what a roast
What did you clearance your side seals to?
Their engine is unopened. So it would be as Mazda has intended.
I've built FD 13b rew bridgeports with 2 thou clearance.
In my FD I run pump E85 only though which burns cooler and it's been reliable for 3 years so far with over 500whp, with very little fuel dilution between service intervals.
This worked for me, what works for you may differ but off the top of my head I think Mazda specs are between 2-6 thou for the 13b turbo
how much cc for primary?? sorry i'm little defff
I also have mechanical ocd. It has its ups and down.
Where do you get those pressure dampers and how much$?
They're made by Full Function Engineering. You can find them here: fullfunctioneng.com/product/ffe-emap-canister/
Billet housing time ?
Yes billet is always good
Go for a McLeod clutch still the best clutch I have used even on a twin disc the cantilever system makes it feel like a mild single disc on the street
We really aren't going to be pushing the engine far enough to warrant the need for billet. For now at least ;)
@@hpa101 it's better to have it and not need it that need it and not have it
Step up that printing game! PLA Has no chance in an engine bay, but polycarb should survive well enough for a throttle bracket.
One day. Using more as a template maker at the moment but there is a huge scope for what it can be used for in the future out the gate - Taz.
👍
Once you start 3d printing mock parts. You will wonder why you waited so long to start 3d printing. As you get better with CAD you will start printing jigs and fixtures. The more you do it. The easier it gets. The bigger your library of 3d models gets.
I'm already regretting not having access to this technology back when I was building drag cars! It just expands the potential for what we can do in house, and allows us to work to a higher level.
Hi Andre I really love your videos and it is fantastic that you are spotlighting the wonderful things that Kiwi innovation can do for us. You are an awesome guy and I really appreciated the service that you gave me when you owned Speedtech in wellington. I have one small suggestion / request. I watch your videos in the evening when there is nothing much to watch on broadcast tv. Lets face it that is a lot of the time. My partner who is the most awesome person I have ever met and who managed to manage her mental illness to sail over 5000 miles around the the south pacific with me overhears what you say. She has struggled with OCD her whole adult life and when you say you are OCD about you FD it makes her feel belittled. I realize that is not your intention but please understand that this is an awful thing and people struggle with it in a way that we really can't understand or thankfully never will. So please...... Be obsessive, passionate, focused .... or anything but please not OCD that is an aweful disease that you would not inflict on your worst enemy.
Best regards
Paddy
Hey Paddy! Hope all is well and thanks for the kind words. You're absolutely right, that wasn't my intention at all and I'm definitely not trying to belittle anyone. Perhaps not the ideal terminology there. Apologies to your partner - Andre
"not a rotary guy at heart" - is a kiwi = oxymoron
Brett Johnson that’s a good point! Has there been a MadMike feature I’ve missed?
@@Popes_Projects We talked to his old tuner a while back, otherwise, sadly we haven't had the chance to chat to him. Maybe with RaceCraft but the dude is pretty always flatout at events and spends a lot of time with his fanbase (which is awesome) - Taz.
2 1300 cc injectors and 2 1700 cc injectors is not enough for e85. I ran out of injectors with that same setup at 380whp on e85
Replace the 2 1700 with the new 2600s
brianawd I was thinking the same thing. But what a great way to teach us all a lesson of what to look for when the fuel system is your limit. Future webinar? lol. It is however the perfect size for pump gas and this turbo which is what they intend to use mainly, so perhaps they don’t intend to go for big power on ethanol. It is a stock engine after all.
Pope's Projects
They mentioned that they would be running. E85 down the road.
My 380hp was on a 7670 on a stock motor. Had I had bigger injectors or 2 more 1700(do now) hp would have been easily over 400. Boost and timing had to be tapped down from about 6k to keep injector duty cycle happy.
With them running the 8474 they may as well plan for the power that turbo can make on e85 now vs having to upgrade again down the road
Just my personal opinion
Nice car
Two Problems: 1. The steering wheel is on the wrong side... 2. There's not an LS3 in it.... :)
haha, well we won't doing anything about number 1 there as a left hook street car is no fun in a country where you drive on the left hand side of the road, but that Red RX7 will end up with an LS at some stage. The white one is going to forever be OG rotary though in our ownership ;) - Taz.
My Audi RX7 oil change xD
Fd💯🦾
Understanding that you're not getting too serious yet, but in the future it would be excellent to see you guys develop an electrically actuated semi-PP inlet system. I saw that Carlos Lopez had started developing a vac-actuated system but you boys are more clever than that right!
Interesting idea and not one that I'd considered or seen! I'm still back and forth on exactly what direction we want to go with porting when we get to that level but thanks for making the suggestion - Andre
I thought it was clever also, and with intelligent control, I think you could be on the leading edge of development. Shame that wont be able to catch you lads at Goodwood this year. Congrats on a year of fine content, great stuff.........hope to see some dynamic rotary porting content in the future :D
Stuart Milne isn’t that the same concept as the 6 port Renesis uses? Granted it’s not P-Port, but the same idea. While it does increase power slightly, it’s only marginally down low on a NA motor. Seems like a lot of work to fill in the powerband on a semi-pp, why not just run a little more boost on a large street port and achieve the same result?
Not making sense only less then 10k view..people need to be educated..