Here’s an idea for when the fairy type then vs now comes out: Instead of cutting straight to the generation that the fairy type came out, you could cover all the pokemon who previously Weren’t fairy types that became fairy types, like for gen 3 you could talk about gardevoir before it got the fairy type, and then talk about how the fairy type changed it.
Also all the types he's covered are either ones who started off borderline non existent or flat out non existent or had a wild ride of buffs nerfs and overall quality
Note: Future Sight was only 80 base power till Gen 5, where they buffed it to 100 bp, and buffed again in Gen 6, where they buffed it to 120 bp. Also, the damage it dealt was typeless, so it did hit Dark types but did not do super effective damage to things weak to Psychic EDIT: Also did not receive STAB when used by a Psychic type Pokemon till Gen 5. It was inferior to Psychic in every way till it got some buffs
@@jeffreygao3956 fire seems too overused or there are just no major changes other than roster and moves. I'm gonna guess it'll take a long time to take part of this series
You forgot to mention how Amnesia was OP in Gen I before the Special split. It raised users Special by 2 stages, which was absurd considering how many Pokemon had already high Sp. stat.
In case people don't get it - "before the special split" means it raised the special stat. Which was *both* the special attack and special defense, so amnesia in gen 1 was a *4 stat boost* and one of them basically made your pokémon invincible, especially if it was either Esper or it had Recovery. *sigh* god Espers were fucking broken gen 1 lol.
And accidentally made Drapion and Skuntank viable (although Bisharp is really a better option for Psychic/Fairy, in particular, but Bisharp was _already_ good)
"cresselia just... doesn't die" cresselia's signature move would like a word with you... and also more attention. it isn't lunar dance's fault that it is a garbage move that dishonors the label of "signature move"
@@goldenhydreigon4727 it is still a signature move which makes the user faint and only benefits the next pokemon to be sent out. think about it from the perspective of a wild cresselia: what benefit does it gain by knocking itself unconcious like that? given that the effect is to heal just the next pokemon sent out, it wouldn't be the type of thing where it could use it in order to heal a massive number of pokemon that are suffering (this being cresselia, I imagine that would be what it would use it for if it could, more specifically to heal pokemon who are being attacked by darkrai). additionally, one could argue that knocking itself out like that would just leave it vulnerable to darkrai's nightmare powers (as if it wasn't already a bad match for its rival legendary, being a psychic type matched up against a dark type). actually, that matchup is such that i suspect that cresselia is another of those legends that might have been fairy type if it were introduced today (along with celebi and jirachi, among others), but they didn't want to change the types of any legendaries.
Now they are basically overclassed by fairies, because they are only strong vs 2 types, the only useful psychics today have op Stats, have a good secondary type or have nice supp moves. If we quit the overpowered psychic legendaries, psychic is like one of the 3 worst types.
I feel like after the transition from gen 1 to gen 2, the psychic type's effectiveness was primarily altered based on changes to other types. Here are a few notable things: - Bug types overall got better over time, effectively nerfing the psychic type - The physical special split gave a lot more Pokémon access to ghost and dark type moves that used their primary attacking stat, making it easier to deal supereffective damage to psychic types - The introduction of the move Sucker Punch threatened common fast psychic type sweepers such as Alakazam who tended to be frail on the physical defensive side - The buff to the move Knock Off in gen 6 made it a staple in competitive play, and psychic types took more damage from its inevitable use
Exactly. The introduction of pursuit ( a 40 BP DARK move that doubles in power when the Target switches) was Also a big hit 4 ghosts and psychics alike. Being weak to u -turn does not help either
Can I get a RIP Musharna, missed on the Gen 5 Pokemon list, even though it did make two appearances. (Musharna using stored power and on Caitlin's team. I also feel like Musharna is actually fairly cool and was just overshadowed by the fact that there were so many pure psychic types in Gen 5.
Maybe seeing Grass types: Then vs Now. I know that a lot of grass types, though my favorite type, aren’t really that good, with a couple exceptions and most of the starters being pretty good
Oh god... grass. A type I love, but jesus. Before like... gen 4? 5? They just fucking refused to give grass types good type coverage in moves aside from normal, poison and grass moves.
@@masmcv548 Oh yeah... Imo, gen 4 and 5 are the two gens that did the most to actually somewhat level the playing field for the types and the pokémons and give an effort in balancing.... well, aside from lol dragons.
I love the swap of the thumbnail, it really works well considering most people knows how ridiculous the psychic types were in gen 1. Also this is my favourite series please do fairy type but go into more depth over previous pokémon (probably no one wants watch that though) :D
most of the move sounds really cool in japanese, take Aerial Ace for example, it's called "Tsubamegaeshi" which literally means Swallow Counter which is also a Sword Technique in Japanese, Night Slash which was a pretty basic Name is called "Tsujigiri" in japanese means "Crossroads Killing", it's cool.. seriously.
I think it's more because he's been doing the types that have seen the most drastic changes over the different generations since the very beginning of Pokemon and thus they make for more interesting videos. Grass, Fire, and Water (and even Electric) are all essentially just as viable now as they have been since Gen I and so their "Then vs Now" videos would be pretty dull. Virtually nothing has changed regarding any of these types over the years. Hell, even their type matchup charts have barely changed at all. The only changes they've seen are that Fire became super effective against Steel and it resists Fairy. And just like most other types, Steel resists Grass. That's it.
@@DukeDarkshadow well, fire did get a change in gen 2 and 4, in gen 2, it gained a new super effective type, Steel, and gen 4, the Physical Special Split happened, allowing the Fire type to have Physical and Special moves. And in a somewhat long strech, even gen 8 with Gigantamax and Dynamax.
Just a correction: since Galarian Slowbro was introduced after Orbeetle, the regional form was the Pokemon that put Psychic in the list of types having at least 1 combination with every other type.
There some of the most powerful Psychic Types in Gen 5 Stored Power Musharna can be really good and Victini is just… OP P.S When he shows Stored Power, it has Musharna in the picture
I will say: I think that the introduction of Fairy types kind of did impact the Psychic type, at least indirectly. Because since then, Fairy sort of became the “new” Psychic-type, but maybe even better. If you have a Fairy type on your team, you have a reliable check against Fighting types, which was kind of the main type that Psychic countered before Gen 6. And Fairy is also strong against Dark types, the type that is strong against and immune to Psychic types. The only advantage that Psychic has over Fairy is that it’s strong against Poison types, whereas Fairy types are weak to Poison. But, if you have either a Steel type or Ground type (or a Pokemon that at least knows Earthquake), you can easily counter a Poison type. In other words, the Fairy-type kinda made the Psychic-type redundant. If you have a Fairy-type, you don’t really need a Psychic-type on your team.
Also many Psychic mons got Fairy coverage or Fairy added to their typing Stuff like Reuniclus ran Focus Miss as a Dark types counter, now it gets Dazzling Gleam..
@@AlldaylongRock true. Also, it’s funny how he mentions Bede at the end of the video. Bede going from Psychic specialist to Fairy specialist is basically the devs admitting what I’m talking about: Fairy essentially replaced Psychic. Lol
@@rzeitouneh Fairy is a way better type than Psychic, I actually think that it is as OP as Gen1 Psychic or veeery close It completely shifted the way teams are constructed and it has only one real weakness, because who the f*ck is gonna use a Poison type to counter Fairies(Unless you do Toxic stall strats with Toxapex or something) when Steel types are already used for both good offensive and defensive utility? (Not to mention Steel/Fairy types being absolutely broken defensively) Plus with virtually all Fairy types getting Psychic-type coverage (not mentioning the plethora of Psychic/Fairy mons there are) but only a few getting Ground/Fighting/Fire coverage on their best attacking side it just makes sense to use a Steel type.. Fairy was actually another nail in the coffin for Bug types.. Because see: resistance to Fighting and Dark, while being SE to both(the Fighting resistance and SE against Dark were the only selling points of Bugs, because Dark and Ghost took care of Psychics already) and it also resists Bug for some reason.. I think that while surely Dragon was a brutal offensive type, the Fairy type having sooo much offensive power (SE against the 3 best attacking types, also isn't Moonblast the most powerful, 100 accuracy, no drawbacks move that exists while being widespread ? Correct me if I'm wrong) and defensive utility means that it totally is the best type in the game and something that you have to have a way to deal with it
I’d love to see a Dark-type Then vs Now. Only because I want to see your reaction when you realise that apart from getting Umbreon, there was literally NO WAY of getting a Dark-type Pokemon until you get access to Kanto. And I wish I was kidding!
I was basing my joke on Pokemon Gold and Silver. Snaesal is only obtainable in Ice Path in Pokemon Crystal, and I already mentioned that Umbreon is the only Dark-Type Pokemon you can get before beating the League.
For some additional perspective, with Mewtwo's Special stat of 154 in Gen 1, he would effectively have a BST of a whopping 744 if converted directly to later generations! That's over TWENTY (20) points ahead of Arceus and Crowned Zacian/Zamazenta (720), only TEN (10) points behind Ultra Necrozma, and less than 40 points behind the strongest obtainable Pokemon in the series (all of which are temporary forms). When they say "We dreamed of creating the world's strongest Pokemon. . . and we succeeded" they weren't exaggerating!
The fairy type’s introduction definitely made Psychic a bit stronger. Adding a weakness to poison and steel in exchange for making big and dark neutral is a trade off Psychics love. They can obviously handle poison and although steel resists Psychic, a lot of steel types are lacking in special defense… and only really being checked by steel and ghost isn’t exactly a terrible place to be
If you ever play Pokémon Crystal, try to get Shiny Tyrogue from the Odd Egg. Evolving it into Hitmonlee will get you High Jump Kick before the third gym.
Those elemental punches helped but Alakazam was hard countered by Snorlax and really struggled against Mistrivious. Tyrannitar could also prove problamatic but it's lower special defense and HP meant it could be overpowered. Snorlax though was a hard stop to any phychic type Alakazam or otherwise. In Gen 1 they didn't really have a Pokémon that was a hard counter. Tauros was strong but it was an attacker and it was slower than Alakazam and Starmie so it couldn't take 2 phychics back to back. Snorlax however could and would KO them back in one hit. Gen 2 Snorlax really is the single most dominant Pokémon competitive has ever seen.
@@MrMarinus18 Misdreavus was a late game pokemon in GSC. I did not intend to say that Alakazam can handle a whole Johto but most parts of it. I used it on my Crystal playthrough, it helped a lot.
Alakazam can still use the elemental punches in gen 8, I think it peaked back in gen 2 because the elemental punches were all special moves as fire, ice and electric type attacks were all special until gen 4
@@savastojmirovic2450 It is the best pokemon to use in a Gen 2 Johto playthrough and is a solid Psychic type. The other options are underwhelming like Hypno, Jynx, Unown, Natu and Girafarig
"Sabrina was and still the most difficult gym leader on the Kanto region" Me, who got so mad at the Zubat swarm in the Mt Moon that actually leveled it up keeping the leech life as a 7 yo kid: B)
That joke is amazing. Also it's very sad how some of the Pokemon I love like dustox, castform, hail yeah, yanmega (Not weak just no one uses) are incredibly weak. And one of the few Pokemon that I didn't mention that are weak that I love is Unknown
Its actually called unown and also it wouldn't make sense if it happened bc unown was made in gen 2 and wynaut was made in gen 3 but i get its a joke (just wanted to point it out)
No one will probably see this but I kinda want Mikey to make a ground or water type then vs now because it’s the typing of my favorite Pokémon, swampert.
Grunty Boy: I want to team up so we can get the prizes. Manjtv: Then who gets the prizes? Grunty Boy: Me! Manjtv: what do I get? Grunty Boy: A hug Manjtv: no Grunty Boy: You are missing out on a great hug.
12:25 I wholeheartedly agree. While I’m mostly a dragon tamer myself, I do think some other types deserve some time to shine, particularly bug since I’ve also got a little bug catcher in me, but also because Volcarona was cool and I’d absolutely adore another Pokémon like it. Maybe they could even make it a counterpart to Volcarona, representing the moon instead of the sun.
@@randomjeffy9710 Ok so you don't know, but I'll explain it. PMD2 is a shortening of Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2, the sequel to the first Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Game, which is a spinoff. (spoilers, kinda) At the postgame, Cresselia joins your team to fight Darkrai. But while going through the dungeons, Cresselia goes to defeat every Pokèmon in its way, which means it takes a lot of damage before you even reach Darkrai. Because of this, the PMD fandom just says Cresselia is stupid because it either wastes their reviver seeds, or makes them fail their mission altogether. I don't know if you already knew this but I explained it anyway.
Mewtwo was arguably the SINGLE MOST OVERPOWERED Pokemon in gen1, with Alakazam, Jynx (due to ice being actually good in gen1 competition and having lovely kiss), and Exeggutor (one of the best competitive Pokemon that generation) being all close seconds
@@robertlupa8273 Yes, from what I heard, Snorlax was basically the OU metagame, and it could pretty much do just about anything with it's sets it could run
Not exactly; Fire would've been situationally useful then and hot now, Water rules the squall then and now, and Grass is pretty much situational then and now.
I sense strongly a lot of unhealthy irritation from Mikey in the video compared to many other videos, like his recent 100 days in Minecraft. And yeah, this seems to have an effect on Grunty Boi too.
![Stromae, Pomme - “Ma Meilleure Ennemie” (from Arcane Season 2) [Official Visualizer]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1F3OGIFnW1k/mqdefault.jpg)
I don't feel like it's as popular, but I'd like to see "Ice Type: Then vs Now"
YES
I cant wait to see Weavile in action, so I kinda chose Dark Next.
Hail yeah
Yes
Agree
Here’s an idea for when the fairy type then vs now comes out:
Instead of cutting straight to the generation that the fairy type came out, you could cover all the pokemon who previously Weren’t fairy types that became fairy types, like for gen 3 you could talk about gardevoir before it got the fairy type, and then talk about how the fairy type changed it.
PERFECT IDEA!
Ok, that's a genius idea.
Love the idea!
Pretty good idea
You when you came up with this idea:
People describe me as, incredibly talented.
Another Petition for Grunty Boi to host the video: "Dark Type:Then VS Now".
Im pretty sure dark is next. They did ghost, then fighting, then psychic. Obvious that dark is next
dark type went from: non existent to: grunty boi steals your personal information!
Also all the types he's covered are either ones who started off borderline non existent or flat out non existent or had a wild ride of buffs nerfs and overall quality
@@staticflowzz Didn’t grunty boi first appear in Then Vs Now?
pog
Note: Future Sight was only 80 base power till Gen 5, where they buffed it to 100 bp, and buffed again in Gen 6, where they buffed it to 120 bp. Also, the damage it dealt was typeless, so it did hit Dark types but did not do super effective damage to things weak to Psychic
EDIT: Also did not receive STAB when used by a Psychic type Pokemon till Gen 5. It was inferior to Psychic in every way till it got some buffs
so typeless meaning the ??? type that curse had i'm guessing. someone should make a vid on it.
Interesting! Jirachi's Doom Desire was also typeless, right? I wonder why they did that.
The series ends off with a secret final video. “MandJTV then vs now”.
Underrated comment
@@staticflowzz 16 minutes ago, probably going to get more popular
@@staticflowzz You’ve said that on like 3 other comments lol
@@joshbee09 yeah because if I comment random things on everything then at least one will get popular, then I delete the others, strategy
Then: standing in living room with posters behind him
Now: sitting in office with plushie filled shelf behind him
I would also like to see "Ice Type: Then VS Now"
I love the Ice type!
Ice types before:just water types
That would be pretty cool! Get it?
Me to I want the ice type then vs now
@@ethantreadway9478 ooooooooooooooooooo the oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo on ooo9
This is one of my most favorite series. I would love to see Ice types next.
Yesssir same
I want Fire; They're not only beautiful but also great Airbnb hosts and hospitable.
@@jeffreygao3956 fire seems too overused or there are just no major changes other than roster and moves. I'm gonna guess it'll take a long time to take part of this series
"Cresselia just doesn't die."
Cresselia in PMD: *nervous sweating*
Do not invoke it
PMD? Is that short for Pokemon Mystery Dungeon? I've just never seen that abbreviation before.
@@lucifermorningstar8562 yep!
Dont, I am having Dark Crater Ominous Wind flashbacks
My playthrough of legends arceua says otherwise. Took me forever to ko the bastard
You forgot to mention how Amnesia was OP in Gen I before the Special split. It raised users Special by 2 stages, which was absurd considering how many Pokemon had already high Sp. stat.
In case people don't get it - "before the special split" means it raised the special stat. Which was *both* the special attack and special defense, so amnesia in gen 1 was a *4 stat boost* and one of them basically made your pokémon invincible, especially if it was either Esper or it had Recovery.
*sigh* god Espers were fucking broken gen 1 lol.
@@youtube-kit9450 esper???? idiot the title pf the vid mentions psychic type, AND mikey mentions psychic type AS THE MAIN FOCUS OF THE VIDEO
I'd like to see Normal types: Then vs Now. That sounds interesting
I'd say this comment is pretty NORMAL.
@@l0stusb709 lol
Nice
@@l0stusb709 Lol....and now that's enough internet for today
He should
Then: I have literally no counterplay besides myself.
Now: Knock off scawy.
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@@cruzrin0 stop self promoting
@@apocadood2099 i will not stop until i get my Final price
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The addition of the Fairy type brought a lot of Fairy-type coverage moves to Psychics that let them better handle Dark types.
And accidentally made Drapion and Skuntank viable (although Bisharp is really a better option for Psychic/Fairy, in particular, but Bisharp was _already_ good)
15:55, I would just like to point out that you forgot to include Musharna and Victini, both notable psychic types!
Wow, even when Victini loses it wins!
Yes , I wanted to say that
victini is gay so not worthy
@@edwlotiongad922 huh guess u probably are cousins with koolaid man
@@edwlotiongad922 That's a very rude and offensive comment
Other types
Then: bad
Now: good
Psychic types
Then: OVERPOWERED
Now: good
Sounds about right
True
At least they’re still good
I was thinking about the same thing lol
you could say the same for dragon types
"cresselia just... doesn't die"
cresselia's signature move would like a word with you... and also more attention. it isn't lunar dance's fault that it is a garbage move that dishonors the label of "signature move"
I- then who’s fault is it
It's helpful if you don't have any healing items or don't want to use them
Lunar Dance is basically just discount Healing Wish
@@goldenhydreigon4727 it is still a signature move which makes the user faint and only benefits the next pokemon to be sent out. think about it from the perspective of a wild cresselia: what benefit does it gain by knocking itself unconcious like that? given that the effect is to heal just the next pokemon sent out, it wouldn't be the type of thing where it could use it in order to heal a massive number of pokemon that are suffering (this being cresselia, I imagine that would be what it would use it for if it could, more specifically to heal pokemon who are being attacked by darkrai). additionally, one could argue that knocking itself out like that would just leave it vulnerable to darkrai's nightmare powers (as if it wasn't already a bad match for its rival legendary, being a psychic type matched up against a dark type). actually, that matchup is such that i suspect that cresselia is another of those legends that might have been fairy type if it were introduced today (along with celebi and jirachi, among others), but they didn't want to change the types of any legendaries.
Creselia is overrated it’s not that good
How about the coolest type out there. "Ice type: Then vs Now"
🗿 lie.
Ice ain't cool.
But is Weak for sure
My boi kyrem will be there
ice type 5 super effectiveness vs 4 weaknesses
@@grg3840 So you don't see the pun about Ice types being the "coolest"? Then you deserve a Wooosh too.
@@lucifermorningstar8562 I’m deleting my comment
Then: Overpowered monsters
Now: Still overpowered monsters but they're cuter
More like ( I'm judging it in the thumbnail )
Then: Fear Me, Mortal
Now: Hello, I'm a smol
@@etheron1235 "Hello am babi"
Like Chingling
Now they are basically overclassed by fairies, because they are only strong vs 2 types, the only useful psychics today have op Stats, have a good secondary type or have nice supp moves.
If we quit the overpowered psychic legendaries, psychic is like one of the 3 worst types.
Psychic is one of the worst types, what do you mean?
I feel like after the transition from gen 1 to gen 2, the psychic type's effectiveness was primarily altered based on changes to other types. Here are a few notable things:
- Bug types overall got better over time, effectively nerfing the psychic type
- The physical special split gave a lot more Pokémon access to ghost and dark type moves that used their primary attacking stat, making it easier to deal supereffective damage to psychic types
- The introduction of the move Sucker Punch threatened common fast psychic type sweepers such as Alakazam who tended to be frail on the physical defensive side
- The buff to the move Knock Off in gen 6 made it a staple in competitive play, and psychic types took more damage from its inevitable use
Exactly. The introduction of pursuit ( a 40 BP DARK move that doubles in power when the Target switches) was Also a big hit 4 ghosts and psychics alike. Being weak to u -turn does not help either
Also on a side note generation 5 introduced a lot of Dark, Psychic and Bug types almost all being amazing
This comment is as long as a comic book
And a long 1
in conterpart, contrary to what video sayd, fary deepply affected pschic
Can I get a RIP Musharna, missed on the Gen 5 Pokemon list, even though it did make two appearances. (Musharna using stored power and on Caitlin's team. I also feel like Musharna is actually fairly cool and was just overshadowed by the fact that there were so many pure psychic types in Gen 5.
And Victini.
Connor
@@jaretco6423 no deal
Dr
@Yadunandh Abhilash COM
Maybe seeing Grass types: Then vs Now. I know that a lot of grass types, though my favorite type, aren’t really that good, with a couple exceptions and most of the starters being pretty good
Oh god... grass.
A type I love, but jesus.
Before like... gen 4? 5? They just fucking refused to give grass types good type coverage in moves aside from normal, poison and grass moves.
@@youtube-kit9450 Yeah I know man they were just terrible before about Gen 4. Gosh there was just nothing for em really
@@masmcv548 Oh yeah...
Imo, gen 4 and 5 are the two gens that did the most to actually somewhat level the playing field for the types and the pokémons and give an effort in balancing.... well, aside from lol dragons.
I love the swap of the thumbnail, it really works well considering most people knows how ridiculous the psychic types were in gen 1. Also this is my favourite series please do fairy type but go into more depth over previous pokémon (probably no one wants watch that though) :D
I do! But I honestly think he should wait for Gen 9 to come out.
@@musicalsystem927 yeah probably
Like early 2023 lol
4:38 at least in the Japanese version psychic is called “psychokinesis” which honestly sounds way cooler
Japan always gets the good things.
Same in germany, it´s called "Psychokinese"
most of the move sounds really cool in japanese, take Aerial Ace for example, it's called "Tsubamegaeshi" which literally means Swallow Counter which is also a Sword Technique in Japanese, Night Slash which was a pretty basic Name is called "Tsujigiri" in japanese means "Crossroads Killing", it's cool.. seriously.
@@wockytalkie8352 Hiroshima and Nagasaki
@@thewisthersgames i take that back
I really want Electric Types: Then vs Now next
Then: fat Pikachu
Now: T H I C C Pikachu
@@anothergamer112 xD
Fun fact: theres no electric type elite four member
Agreed
Or normal
Grungy boi needs his hug😭
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Ok
@@skid1965 why did you morse code to binary
translates to: who is grungy boy
Yeha
Grungy?
“None of these pokemon would go on to make a massive impact”
Hoopa who got banned from ou in gen 6:
I think he's talking about gamefreak's official formats
@@Blade.5786 understandable
cause hoopa is a mythical pokemon
@@nayangawande6173 blade already said that essentially
“You did it, you crazy son of a vulpix you did it”
here before this gets popular
*female vulpix
@@Starrofheart what?
@Gallant Gallade GALLANT
@Gallant Gallade you carried mikey through that incredibly hard challenge he did, respect
Grass type then: Giant poisonous prehistoric frog
Grass types now: old lady dandelion
What
@@TheRealYuckl3s_9000 the frog was probably venusaur and then sunflorant.
@@livingfastdyingyoung oh thanks
I'm pretty sure that "old lady dandelion" is actually Eldegoss, if I'm not mistaken.
@@livingfastdyingyoung *sunflora
Go Eevee! Use “Normal!”
Isn’t it surprising that Mikey hasn’t done the then vs now for grass, water and fire.
Well........ its the starters
Yeah
I think he's doing a "class" type
Nature: Bug instead of Grass
Destruction: Dragon instead of fire
Untouchable/Non Solid: Ghost instead of water
I think it's more because he's been doing the types that have seen the most drastic changes over the different generations since the very beginning of Pokemon and thus they make for more interesting videos. Grass, Fire, and Water (and even Electric) are all essentially just as viable now as they have been since Gen I and so their "Then vs Now" videos would be pretty dull. Virtually nothing has changed regarding any of these types over the years. Hell, even their type matchup charts have barely changed at all. The only changes they've seen are that Fire became super effective against Steel and it resists Fairy. And just like most other types, Steel resists Grass. That's it.
@@DukeDarkshadow well, fire did get a change in gen 2 and 4, in gen 2, it gained a new super effective type, Steel, and gen 4, the Physical Special Split happened, allowing the Fire type to have Physical and Special moves. And in a somewhat long strech, even gen 8 with Gigantamax and Dynamax.
Ghost: *exists*
Psychic: I am 4 parallel universes
ahead of you
Just a correction: since Galarian Slowbro was introduced after Orbeetle, the regional form was the Pokemon that put Psychic in the list of types having at least 1 combination with every other type.
Thanks for this, I could not figure out what mon was psychic poison type
I love Orbeetle's type. I've wanted a Bug and Psychic type for ages.
F for vicini being forgotten
Dark type then vs now
It would be really cool to see how dark started out nerfing the best type in the game
It's happened: ruclips.net/video/gKX_bKzdWc8/видео.html&ab_channel=MandJTV
@@jeffreygao3956 Thanks
@@carsongulseth8874 Welcome!
Most thumbnails: Cheems to buff doge
Psychic thumbnail: buff doge to cheems
Alternate title: Michael roasts chimeco and chingling for 21 minutes
Good one
@Meese jeez can you take a joke ?
And complitely forgets about victini
@Meese it was literally like a joke
The day that we have been long awaiting is here.
I’m just gonna comment on this because it’s gonna get popular. hi
@@staticflowzz hi
@@staticflowzz hi🤣😂
@@staticflowzz yo
@@staticflowzz Hai
Bring back pokemon talk it was a great series
Petition to have Mikey make a new series called: “Grunty Boi talk”
Y e s
Underrated
Would it just be a bunch of grunts?
!!!YEEESS!!!
pls make this happen
Mikey: Talks about Gen V Psychic types
Musharna and Victini not on the list: Are we jokes to you?
Yeah😠
There some of the most powerful Psychic Types in Gen 5
Stored Power Musharna can be really good and Victini is just… OP
P.S When he shows Stored Power, it has Musharna in the picture
@@beatdrop4829 It was also shown on Caitlin's team
@@foxbread3714 Oh didn’t see that
Musharna is a joke
Just for the hail of it, we should get ice type: then and now and dark type: then and now
HA
I’d say fairy type effected psychic a lot because a lot of psychic types can get dazzling gleam which helps against dark
And they can also learn Focus Blast to counter Steel types
I will say: I think that the introduction of Fairy types kind of did impact the Psychic type, at least indirectly. Because since then, Fairy sort of became the “new” Psychic-type, but maybe even better.
If you have a Fairy type on your team, you have a reliable check against Fighting types, which was kind of the main type that Psychic countered before Gen 6. And Fairy is also strong against Dark types, the type that is strong against and immune to Psychic types. The only advantage that Psychic has over Fairy is that it’s strong against Poison types, whereas Fairy types are weak to Poison. But, if you have either a Steel type or Ground type (or a Pokemon that at least knows Earthquake), you can easily counter a Poison type.
In other words, the Fairy-type kinda made the Psychic-type redundant. If you have a Fairy-type, you don’t really need a Psychic-type on your team.
Except maybe Metagross.
Also many Psychic mons got Fairy coverage or Fairy added to their typing
Stuff like Reuniclus ran Focus Miss as a Dark types counter, now it gets Dazzling Gleam..
@@AlldaylongRock true. Also, it’s funny how he mentions Bede at the end of the video. Bede going from Psychic specialist to Fairy specialist is basically the devs admitting what I’m talking about: Fairy essentially replaced Psychic. Lol
@@rzeitouneh Fairy is a way better type than Psychic, I actually think that it is as OP as Gen1 Psychic or veeery close
It completely shifted the way teams are constructed and it has only one real weakness, because who the f*ck is gonna use a Poison type to counter Fairies(Unless you do Toxic stall strats with Toxapex or something) when Steel types are already used for both good offensive and defensive utility? (Not to mention Steel/Fairy types being absolutely broken defensively) Plus with virtually all Fairy types getting Psychic-type coverage (not mentioning the plethora of Psychic/Fairy mons there are) but only a few getting Ground/Fighting/Fire coverage on their best attacking side it just makes sense to use a Steel type..
Fairy was actually another nail in the coffin for Bug types.. Because see: resistance to Fighting and Dark, while being SE to both(the Fighting resistance and SE against Dark were the only selling points of Bugs, because Dark and Ghost took care of Psychics already) and it also resists Bug for some reason..
I think that while surely Dragon was a brutal offensive type, the Fairy type having sooo much offensive power (SE against the 3 best attacking types, also isn't Moonblast the most powerful, 100 accuracy, no drawbacks move that exists while being widespread ? Correct me if I'm wrong) and defensive utility means that it totally is the best type in the game and something that you have to have a way to deal with it
@@AlldaylongRock HOW DARE YOU INSULT MY PREVIOUS POISON TYPES
12:50
Extrasensory is very useful in single player because of it's high PP.
Especially With Pressure
And it's also useful for a certain pokemon with a certain ability
I swear this is literally my favorite series ever. I yelled when I got the notification and I was binge watching all the other vids yesterday
Why did he stop making the “then vs now” videos ? These were really nice
Its been so long since one of these then vs now types thank god u didn’t forget about the series
Lol.ya
Let’s all be honest, the grunty boi sponsor segments are the only ones we don’t skip.
Indeed
Nah I do
Nah still skip especially when it’s annoyingly in the middle of the video
Nah I also don't skip tomskas
Yap
I’d love to see a Dark-type Then vs Now. Only because I want to see your reaction when you realise that apart from getting Umbreon, there was literally NO WAY of getting a Dark-type Pokemon until you get access to Kanto. And I wish I was kidding!
I was basing my joke on Pokemon Gold and Silver. Snaesal is only obtainable in Ice Path in Pokemon Crystal, and I already mentioned that Umbreon is the only Dark-Type Pokemon you can get before beating the League.
Grunty boi should host a „Evil teams: then vs now“
yes
And have Mikey interrupt for the sponsor, probably complaining about Grunty Boy stealing his setup.
@@robinaraven3943 yea
hello fellow boogie fans
hello
it's boogie woogie time
Yay!
Haha
Sup
hi funny man
YES THE TYPE I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR!!!
Nice! Its great to hear Grunty Boi spitting facts while doing homework!
“A lot of the time it was like; Here’s three bad moves do your best.” THIS KILLED ME ITS SO TRUE.
Victini, that invisibility from the movie has leaked over into the game.
It even made Musharna invisible
Victini: laughs in V-create
I didn’t even notice that Victini and Musharna were missing until I read this
@@Thebetterrobo Musharna is Trash
@@omarmendez0402 I don’t like it, but calling it trash is a bit harsh
For some additional perspective, with Mewtwo's Special stat of 154 in Gen 1, he would effectively have a BST of a whopping 744 if converted directly to later generations!
That's over TWENTY (20) points ahead of Arceus and Crowned Zacian/Zamazenta (720), only TEN (10) points behind Ultra Necrozma, and less than 40 points behind the strongest obtainable Pokemon in the series (all of which are temporary forms).
When they say "We dreamed of creating the world's strongest Pokemon. . . and we succeeded" they weren't exaggerating!
The fairy type’s introduction definitely made Psychic a bit stronger. Adding a weakness to poison and steel in exchange for making big and dark neutral is a trade off Psychics love. They can obviously handle poison and although steel resists Psychic, a lot of steel types are lacking in special defense… and only really being checked by steel and ghost isn’t exactly a terrible place to be
If you ever play Pokémon Crystal, try to get Shiny Tyrogue from the Odd Egg. Evolving it into Hitmonlee will get you High Jump Kick before the third gym.
"Gen 2 was pretty severe for Psychic Pokemon"
It's just a misconception, Alakazam was OP at its peak because it learned the three elemental punches.
Those elemental punches helped but Alakazam was hard countered by Snorlax and really struggled against Mistrivious. Tyrannitar could also prove problamatic but it's lower special defense and HP meant it could be overpowered.
Snorlax though was a hard stop to any phychic type Alakazam or otherwise. In Gen 1 they didn't really have a Pokémon that was a hard counter. Tauros was strong but it was an attacker and it was slower than Alakazam and Starmie so it couldn't take 2 phychics back to back. Snorlax however could and would KO them back in one hit.
Gen 2 Snorlax really is the single most dominant Pokémon competitive has ever seen.
@@MrMarinus18 Misdreavus was a late game pokemon in GSC.
I did not intend to say that Alakazam can handle a whole Johto but most parts of it.
I used it on my Crystal playthrough, it helped a lot.
Alakazam can still use the elemental punches in gen 8, I think it peaked back in gen 2 because the elemental punches were all special moves as fire, ice and electric type attacks were all special until gen 4
JUST ALAKAZAM
@@savastojmirovic2450 It is the best pokemon to use in a Gen 2 Johto playthrough and is a solid Psychic type. The other options are underwhelming like Hypno, Jynx, Unown, Natu and Girafarig
Mewtwo: Who are you?
Hattreme: I'm the same type as you, but weaker
You could say that about any pure psychic type (base stat total)
Lol
"and I'm a waifu"
And a fairy type
@@omarmendez0402 Hattrem is pure psychic, it's Evo is Psychic Fairy
"Sabrina was and still the most difficult gym leader on the Kanto region"
Me, who got so mad at the Zubat swarm in the Mt Moon that actually leveled it up keeping the leech life as a 7 yo kid: B)
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS TYPE
* Gamefreak makes unknown * Michael: "Why?" Gamefreak: Wynaut?
That joke is amazing. Also it's very sad how some of the Pokemon I love like dustox, castform, hail yeah, yanmega (Not weak just no one uses) are incredibly weak. And one of the few Pokemon that I didn't mention that are weak that I love is Unknown
Did someone say Castform? Can I get a Hail Yeah?
Its actually called unown and also it wouldn't make sense if it happened bc unown was made in gen 2 and wynaut was made in gen 3 but i get its a joke (just wanted to point it out)
ur so funny that just brightened up my day thanks i needed that
Yeah those pokemon deserve more love than they get
Psychic type in a nutshell
Gen 1: UNLIMITED POWER!
Gen 2: I’m too weak!
🎩
More like I'm too average.
Grunty boi is the main reason I watch the sponsor sections, its extreme comedic gold
plot twist: all grunty boi wants is to be friends with mikey but he doesn't know how to ask
EDIT: i have never been happier to be right
I like how in the thumbnail it goes from a genetically modified monster god thing to a *s m o l h a t*
I love how it says "hey" every 10 seconds LMAO
Yeah.
Ultra Necrozma’s Z-Move is not only BROKEN but sounds absolutely awesome.
LIGHT THAT BURNS THE SKY
(L Team Sky)
Mandjtv: creselia doesn't die
Pokemon mystery dungeon: are you sure about that
I feel like everyone forgot Pokémon talk only OG remember Pokémon talk
They became Tick Tokers
Press F to pay respects.
Yes
He moved it to tik tok
Yes i know one of the worst mistakes micheal made
I like how Psychic went from kicking someone with steel toed boots to kicking someone with soccer cleats.
😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣😂 oh man I like this comment man
Here before this gets popular
@@staticflowzz when someone says that the comment always gets popular so thanks.
@W1ldfireYT what is that?
@W1ldfireYT a' sub'reddit for whe'n apo'strophe's are u'sed horrendou'sly
16:43 That is such a cool detail that I don't think anyone would notice
No one will probably see this but I kinda want Mikey to make a ground or water type then vs now because it’s the typing of my favorite Pokémon, swampert.
I’ve been waiting for this
Grunty Boy: I want to team up so we can get the prizes.
Manjtv: Then who gets the prizes?
Grunty Boy: Me!
Manjtv: what do I get?
Grunty Boy: A hug
Manjtv: no
Grunty Boy: You are missing out on a great hug.
That thumbnail is legendary
Mickey said cresellia doesn't die
Me remembering when i played showdown: oh god
Mickey? I’m pretty sure his name isn’t Mickey Groth.
Mikey*
Greeting pokefans, Mickey here
Pokemen7 is crying rn
ITS MIKEY! HES COVERED THIS MULTIPLE TIMES.
“The Fairy type didn’t really affect the Psychic type at all” it did give a lot of them reliable coverage against Dark types tho.
I would instead want to see Grass Type: Then vs Now
You forgot to mention Musharna and Victini in Gen 5 for the new Psychic-Type Pokémon.
Me reading the subtitles: GREETINGS BOOGIE FANS!
Aw shucks, he fixed it
thanks for being totally original
RUclips, fix your voice recognition!
AHHHHHHH
@@keithbulan396 that's what the subtitles say though.
Mewtwo: "Who are you? '
Hatterene:" I am you but a waifu"
I’d like to see dark type then vs now
Don't wish for it; Watch it: ruclips.net/video/gKX_bKzdWc8/видео.html&ab_channel=MandJTV
The title lol
Mewtwo: NANI!?!? DIEEEE
Hattena: uhhh what’s happening
Psychic types be like:
"I used to rule the world"
I believe you mean "roll the dice"
I still use at least one every playthrough so I don't think they've fallen off that bad
"Seas would rise when I gave the word
Now in the morning I sleep alone
Sweep the streets I used to own"
This is so underrated lol
@@elijahpadilla5083 I used to roll the dice
Feel the fear in my enemies eyes (feel my d*** in my enemies a**)
"They thought it needed a baby?!" 😂😂
12:25 I wholeheartedly agree. While I’m mostly a dragon tamer myself, I do think some other types deserve some time to shine, particularly bug since I’ve also got a little bug catcher in me, but also because Volcarona was cool and I’d absolutely adore another Pokémon like it. Maybe they could even make it a counterpart to Volcarona, representing the moon instead of the sun.
I just saw a Rise of Kingdoms ad with Micheal, holy wow!
ya know...if you use the rocket radar you wont be getting the grunts anymore.
Shhhh we like grunty boi
Michael : Cresselia just... doesn't die!
Me : ah Cresselia the immortal pokemon
Until it dances.
@Victorious Kuching
Were you referencing PMD2?
@@RandomHans what is PMD2??
@@randomjeffy9710 Ok so you don't know, but I'll explain it.
PMD2 is a shortening of Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2, the sequel to the first Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Game, which is a spinoff.
(spoilers, kinda) At the postgame, Cresselia joins your team to fight Darkrai. But while going through the dungeons, Cresselia goes to defeat every Pokèmon in its way, which means it takes a lot of damage before you even reach Darkrai.
Because of this, the PMD fandom just says Cresselia is stupid because it either wastes their reviver seeds, or makes them fail their mission altogether.
I don't know if you already knew this but I explained it anyway.
I had no idea that the Psychic types went from so f*cking op to average.
He covered it in bug type then vs now
Mewtwo was arguably the SINGLE MOST OVERPOWERED Pokemon in gen1, with Alakazam, Jynx (due to ice being actually good in gen1 competition and having lovely kiss), and Exeggutor (one of the best competitive Pokemon that generation) being all close seconds
@@matthewkuscienko4616 In Gen 2 however, the most overpowered 'mon was probably Snorlax.
@@robertlupa8273 Yes, from what I heard, Snorlax was basically the OU metagame, and it could pretty much do just about anything with it's sets it could run
I knew it was overpowered, but I didn’t know how much it was nerfed. Fairy is basically the Psychic type in gen 1.
Grunty Boi is a great character, I actually enjoy listening to ads with him in them! Lol
Every other type: starts bad ends decent\good
Psychic: starts broken ends decent
And then there is the fairy, which starts good and still is good
I wouldn't even call it decent anymore. :(
Not exactly; Fire would've been situationally useful then and hot now, Water rules the squall then and now, and Grass is pretty much situational then and now.
What if you did an MandJTV then vs now? That would be cool
This is the way
Captions be like: “Greetings Boogie Fans”
L o g the captions
Well maybe it thinks we're all fans of NBA center Demarcus Cousins?
*GRUB HUB BE LIKE:*
yep
yeetus deletus skeleton army
i myself like gen 3 the most and even one of the ressons is that they made two of my most favorite psychic type pokemon metagross and gardevoir
Yoooo Michael it's been a while...glad to see that your lively as ever..
I want to see a normal one next, that would be so sick!
Grunty boy isn’t happy when he says “tha tha” anymore
Mikey missed a great hug
I sense strongly a lot of unhealthy irritation from Mikey in the video compared to many other videos, like his recent 100 days in Minecraft. And yeah, this seems to have an effect on Grunty Boi too.
@@lohchong4862 hope he's ok ihavent noticed it
Mandjtv and Mayapolarbear are the only in video ads I watch because they are either entertaining or have a puppy
Psychic type Pokémon then: busted. Psychic type Pokémon now: known for being busted