I Played Every Pokemon Game To Find The WORST One...
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- Опубликовано: 12 янв 2024
- I Played Every Pokemon Game in this video to find the worst one! There are so many Pokemon games from Red and Blue, to Diamond and Pearl, to X and Y, and now Scarlet and Violet! Lets see what I think the best Pokemon game is and what the worst Pokemon game is!
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Papa sea the type of guy to like gen 3 cus he’s papa sea
this made me laugh more than it should have
true
5/7 not enough water
-PaPaSea
7.8/10 comment
A/10 the sea is dad
“Pokémon diamond and pearl released almost 20 years ago”
Oh you can’t do this to me
Damn
I was 6 and remember when the games were in commercials and in stores everywhere. Boy, did I want a DS so badly.
They released in September 2006. So it hasn't even been 18 years. Still though.
@@staringatthesun861and for Americans April 2007, so 17.
Kills me though because I was 13 then, and now I’m just about old enough to have had a kid and them be turning 13 in a year
I know it's only 17 years, but hot damn can people stop making me feel old?
Correction on the gen 6 part: The EXP share could be turned off. It wasn't until later gens that it was always on no matter what.
It doesn't really matter though since X&Ys base game is already unbalanced af
Adding to this, the same thing applies to ORAS and the Generation 7 games. This is great for ORAS because it theoretically allows you to do a more or less faithful run if you pass on exp share and using megas.
@@obits3 Exactly. Speaking of which jesus christ people hate the Gen 7 games way too much. They have a lot of problems but have you seen how much content is there? There's arguably more than what B2W2 has to offer.
@@obits3yeah only real difference is you can use a few fairy types in ORAS
@@Sacred_SwordGen 6 was hated a lot more. Seems you’re forgetting the praise USUM got which imo was unwarranted. They were solid despite changing up the gym formula but X and Y were amazing games.
Aint now way you actually think that gen8's story and lore is better than gen 7's . Did we play the same games?
Especially post game USUM. Gen 7 had too much dialogue but other than that there was a modest difficulty to the trials and the post was game was way better than SwSh. In SwSh other than the Pokémon League you had nothing going on
The two key problem that Sun and Moon have are also present in Sword and Shield.
Being extremely linear and constantly being stopped for dialogue. It somehow became worse in Sword and Shield.
@azunkor422 besides having to much dialog was also an issue in swsh too ngl.
Nah bro, putting Sun Moon in F tier and BDSP in B tier!? You are smoking some bad weed
Sun and Moon, and Ultra Sun and Moon are some of the most fun Pokemon games out there. And probably the best region so far.
@@sparky3801Nah, way too simplistic and linear maps, I agree that sun/moon and ultra sun/moon are at least okay, they are at least the best of the post gen 5 era.
I think different type of people have different feelings on sun moon. I personally can not get through all the dialog and all that. I'm gonna try again soon, tho. but I think other people don't have issues reading everything and all that. I think I have adhd or something. and us type of people hate that crap. no other games dialog bothered me
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@@sparky3801and also the best villainous team.
I will always remember how in Pokemon Diamond this person with all Japanese letters in their name traded me a shiny Mewtwo and a shiny Palkia for my level 2 Bidoof and Starly near the beginning of the game(I had no idea cheating was a thing at that time so I was in absolute awe) What a legend that person was.
kek
That kept happening to me! I would always leave Pokémon up for trade overnight and occasionally get random surprises like that
What do you mean leaving Pokémon overnight to trade??
@rizot0ny1996 I never got to do it cause I didn't have internet at the time, but I remember you can put your pokemon available to trade in a separate room if you were away from your game and if someone accepted it, they would trade it for one of theirs. When you got back to the game,you'd have a new pokemon if someone accepted your trade request. Was a new way to trade if you weren't playing the game or were away from your DS
@@rizot0ny1996 the GTS which was a feature in gen 4
i really liked the vibes of sun n moon. The environments and music were great and pokemon designs were dope and regional variants were a game changer. It felt like a vacation in hawaii
Yeah, same 😊
I don’t get the hate for sun&Moon either. They remain ones of my favourite entries and I still find myself more likely to go back to them than SwSh or SV.
When they were the newest entry I sure more people referred to them as a return to form after XY were seen as disappointing but that opinion seems to have flipped since.
@@BlueAversion Personal opinion, but I didn't play either until about 2019. I had a lot more fun with XY than SuMo, mainly because I felt generally annoyed at the continued stop-and-go of SuMo from cutscenes. I also disliked the idea that you used ride pokemon like a random Tauros, which took away from the personal experience of using your own pokemon to navigate paths and such.
@@BlueAversionhonestly out of the three you mentioned, I think the only one I’m never replaying is SWSH, because while SV is buggy as shit, in terms of story, it really feels like a successor to both BW and SuMo. SWSH just feels like it provided almost nothing of value outside of its Pokémon, and even then, it introduced my least favorite Pokémon of all time in Coalossal.
@@BlueAversion The issue with X & Y i had is that it lacked side activities that wasn't battling and your friends they could have done a lot more with. Sun and Moon i liked the pokemon and trials and characters but the map interface and routing were bad, as well as the 'side activities' were more like forgettable occurances that happened
My biggest issue with Sw/Sh is that it's just so shallow. Like, beyond the gyms, there's just nothing there. There's no exploration what so ever. Aside from the first town, I'm pretty sure every other town after it has a gym in it. There's no side paths or side dungeons, no alternative paths between towns. Even the Wild Area, this big open expanse of land and.... There's nothing really there except pokemon and raid dens. No cute/interesting story interactions, barely any trainer battles.
I'm not one to hate on the games, I dont even care they didnt have the full dex in (Neither did Sun/Moon/Ulta for that matter), it's the fact it's an entirely shallow experience.
that game lacks a soul
Even more so after s/v as the official competitive scene moved on
I love how he says ultra beasts aren't explained. And yet they literally are they literally say in the game that they're from alternate dimensions. What more is there to explain??? Are you expecting them to of gone to the alternate dimensions and study them of something?? Also the fact that somehow each person who used a zmove suprised you on which type itd be is crazy considering most of the time it's just their type they battle with not that hard in single player to battle around
They never really explained how many of them there are, why only some came to alola, and what else is in ultra space. As for the z-moves, if it wasn't obvious, I was talking about battling online not against NPCs
@@PaPaSea Because that would be super boring, like nobody cares. They are just Aliens.
@@PaPaSeaI mean they kind are, cosmog kinda just made some wormholes and they were from the specific UB worlds. And they’re prob are more.
agreed lol. UB are supposedly alien an alternate dimension so having lesser lore on it kinda is the point, count that with the technology on the in game lore, Sun and Moon being placed on F tier but BP on B tier 💀💀💀
lmao that ratio
Most of the hate for BDSP (which is valid imo) comes from the fact that the last remakes we got were ORAS, and we wanted Sinnoh to get revamped in a similar way. Instead they decided to port Diamond and Pearl with different graphics and some relatively minor alterations. Ironically the only ORAS-like thing they did was getting rid of the Battle Frontier for the second remake in a row, which only pissed people off more.
Also how pokémon following you sucked, some pokémons evolution mechanics were stuck to the post game, they kinda removed secret bases which could've been so fun with online, no platinum content and pokémon league being a bit too difficult compared to a fairly easy game
and the music got annihilated in the process
it's still kinda wild to me how game freak though decided to take one of their most anticipated games in the franchise and completely hand the entire development of the game over to ILCA, a company that primarily serves to assist mainly with graphics and video/trailer production for other game companies. and of course to add to that there are a bunch of returning bugs that were fixed in platinum and half the game's file size was stuffed into a "day one patch" to place that burden on the consumers storage space, just so they could save money by shipping the game on the 8gb cartridges instead of the 16gb ones
I’ll take bdsp over scarlet, violet, sword and shield any day
The games were incredibly, broken at launch, and with simplified models, they should’ve been able to put more Pokémon than the original 493 from Gen 4.
We went from firered leafgreen, having 386, heartgold soulsilver with 493, Omega Ruby Aplha Sapphire sporting 721, to Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl with… the same 493 from Gen 4…
You’re telling me a 3DS can fit 800+ Pokémon, also regional forms, and mega Pokémon models on one cartridge, but this Nintendo switch cartridge, which we’ve seen them hold massive games like Xenoblade and Skyrim, can’t handle the generation eight nat dex? That’s a load of Bouffalant manure.
BDSP had the potential to be the competitive game for generation eight Nat dex. Instead, it was a barely functional inferior remake.
The only thing it had going for it over ORAS was not shiny locking the starters and legendaries.
Getting lost in the Distortion World sounds like a "git gud" situation since it seemed straightforward to me even as a kid lmao
Yeah that was a pretty silly point ngl.
It’s confusing playing through it for the first time
@@MustacheDLuffy Sure, but getting lost? It's like only one path forward and back. It's basically a super fancy corridor.
I wanna say that I didn't get lost, although I was using the strategy guide, so I guess that's not really fair.
As a kid I just kept moving around hoping for the best lol
Me when I am in a worst tier list competition and my opponent is PaPaSea
No way he put gen 7 in F 💀💀
His opinion is now invalid
I think HGSS are S tier games. They added so much more that wasnt mentioned but definitly were game changer. We had the battle frontier from Platinum ( imo the 2nd best battle frontier ) , the Pokéthlon, which i personally loved, a new safari zone with an additional area, a lot of legendaries to catch, amazing events and mystery gifts, 16 gym leaders that can be rematched, the pokéwalker and so much more. They are my 2nd favourite Pokémon games after B2W2 followed by Platinum.
level scaling is still too shit.
@@goobingtons game wouldve been perfect if not for the level 30 trainers before the league :(
I feel the DS was the best years for Pokemon and honestly it's peak. With the move to 3DS things got either dumbed down or tried to rely on some form of gimmick. I enjoyed Diamond, Black was like a breath of fresh air in the series with the sequels expanding on it's story and then Heart Gold is just the best game in the series. If the only downside of it is some level scaling then it's about as perfect as could be.
"the second best battle frontier"
out of two.
Still technically correct@@blissfulstatic2563
US/UM have so many improvements over Sun and Moon, it's crazy people don't notice. It has a whole new incredible boss rush postgame, it cuts down on cutscenes, adds more sidequests, and makes the whole game harder overall. It's just a straight up improvement in every way except ARGUABLY the story, and honestly I think the US/UM story is good anyway.
The Boss Rush postgame, to me, was a boring slogfest after a story with way too much dialogue and being rather handholdy.
@@BryanRainey I guess your experience is your experience
I had a similar experience. Its the only mainline game I've never finished.
@@Victini0510 Well, I LOVED the new post game, so I'm not sure what to say.
"Cuts down on cut scenes" isn't good enough when there are still SO many unskippable cut scenes. I don't know why Gamefreak hasn't figured out how to let players press start to skip...
Sun and moon aren’t bad games but having them lower than SWSH is wild
Huge agree. Sw/Sh was the by far least-ambitious entry, and the first objective downgrade the main series has ever had (not counting Let’s Go’s 153 dex count)
Ageed, how come Brilliant Pearl is ranked higher than SM is beyond me, the game didnt even include Mega's or any new gimmicks that separates it from its original counterpart meaning its a copy and pasted game
Having them less than X and Y
what i dont get is how he could put them below the let's go games. which are genuinely an atrocious experience.
@@wrestlingenjoyer so, this is what pokemon has become now? games are being jugded by their expected amount of useless gimmicks?
jesus fucking christ, we need to go back
I can't agree with sun/moon's and usum placements on the list, especially if you put vanilla dp and bdsp in A and B tier.
For BDSP what I don’t understand is why give us platinum dex mons when you can’t get their evolutions until the postgame. You can catch Gligar in the underground but because it’s an almost identical remake you can’t evolve it into gliscor during the main story without outside help because in DP the item to evolve Gligar was locked in the postgame because the DP dex doesn’t have most of the new Sinnoh evolutions in it.
I know the main reason for me wanting the Platinum Dex was more for an improvement in available Pokemon. The BDSP dex only really has 2 fire types. (The chimcar and the ponyta lines). Which makes an elite 5 member using fire types a bit... Off to say the least. I know more (e.g. houndoom) were available in the underground. But it still felt off since they weren't in the dex until post game with the nat dex. Honestly outside of that I'm mostly fine with BDSP's dex.
Yea that pissed me off so much I got lucky and my cousin beat the game before me and he let me have the razor claw to evolve my gligar
DP was pretty bad on its own,but BDSP is just an uglier rehash but not as slow.Still its supposed to BE a remake not a remaster so i'd give it a -2/10
Right now Legends Arceus is my favorite Pokémon game. By far even. I absolutely love that it's basically a purely story driven Pokémon game. Making it more an RPG than other Pokémon games. And the whole idea was "Catch all Pokémon" in the end (to meet Arceus) so I focused more on catching Pokémon while exploring than battling. Which also helps with completion of the Pokédex.
The mechanics feel great, too. It was the first Pokemon game I ever actually wanted to complete the dex!
Love this gamr
I couldn't agree more, I love this game so much, the lore is so great too even stuff like the old verses that no one ever talks about, I really hope we get another legends game with better graphics and I don't care if it's hisui, unova, johto or any other region even a new one
Same, I played it for the 1st time recently and was having so much fun just running around catching that I decided to make it a "Professor Laventon Challenge" (catch every pokemon in an area before the Noble)
I’m one if the few who didn’t love LA ,more siding with the Pokédex interrupting the story story so much I didn’t complete the game. I’m not really a Pokédex completionist anyway, so the fact that I was walled from being able to move the story on robbed the joy from the game for me and I stopped playing it.
I did love the look, and the sneaking mechanism, and a lot of the game, but locking story behind the Pokédex ruined this game for me.
Actually X and Y were really more ground breaking than what you want to give them credit for. It's the gen that brought a lot of balance in the game with the introduction of the brand new fairy type. We didn't have new types since the OG gold and silver. Also the steel type was nerfed, not resisting dark and ghost anymore. That really changed the balance of the game alongside other changes like for the grass and electric types and they really didn't do anything like that before. The safari friend was really a neat feature to get hidden abilities and the breeding section was really overhauled making it way more accessible. That was the first gen I bread a lot of the pokedex and I know it was the same for a lot of ppl. Tier lists are personnal yes, but I think you could've talked a bit more of what the game brought at the time besides the awesome 3D and Mega evolutions features. That said, not sure if I would've ranked them much higher than you lol
Unfortunately, when it comes to Pokemon games, 90% of the player base will rank the game only from the start to Hall of Fame, and that's it.
Also, many of the balance and combat changes go unnoticed because once again, the average player never noticed/understood it to start with.
@@knowing1399 because pokémon was never a competitive game to begin with people will play it to chill and have fun without caring too much. The only reason competitive pokemon exists is internet. If youre into competitive gaming go into mobas or shooters
@@nirvanacobain001 Pokemon is by design a competitive game, internet just made it more accessible lol
X and Y actually got me back into Pokémon. I just wasn’t a popular fan of gen 4 or 5 and even to this day I’m so tired of Game Freak relating everything to the Sinnoh region somehow. Like the Sinnoh starters feel like they are in every Pokémon game right now.
I picked up X and Y and was impressed with what was offered. Like it introduced new Pokémon while also giving the chance to play with old favorites. I think the surprise I felt when I got to pick the second starter was one of the best moments I felt playing Pokémon in a long time. Think there’s like a cafe that I spent a lot of time in as well which beating trainers would give rewards like points and getting to eventually fight stronger opponents. It was exciting.
@@blakemayo2898 it was the same for me. Gen 4 and 5 really weren't it for me. At the time I found X and Y really amazing, just everything about it. I played consistently every gen since then. And yeah the café was indeed a good place to grind iirc, a lot of xp and I think big nuggets or something as a reward as well. The additional starter was really nice and the you had the OG legendary bird as a roaming encounter. Anyways, it was really really great back in the day
Bro put Sun and Moon below Sword and Shield thats when you know hes wrong😭
opinions can be wrong? okay twitter.
Diamond and Pearl have some huge highs but huge lows as well. Most notably for me is the dex prior to post game, aka having ice and fire type specialists with only two ice and two fire type lines available before the post game. Also, locking awesome new evolutions in the post game felt kinda bad. Platinum really fixed so many of those flaws though.
I agree. If they had followed more along the lines of Platinum, BDSP could have been great. Instead, they were just okay. Two fire types? Really? I never understood the dev's decision to make it that way.
I remember seeing a RUclips poll that was like
"You're in sinnoh and want to use a fire type. Who do you choose?"
Infernape
Rapidash
Lopunny
Drifblim
Steelix
Just as bad with Grass and Electric Types, Grass you've pretty much only got Torterra, Roserade, or Abomasnow, and electric you get Luxray or Raichu, loads of not very good water types though lol
@@lunayoshiI gave up BD, sold it to GameStop it was so disappointing
@@lunayoshi I appreciate that they at least put some platinum pokemon in the underground, but I do wish the could have update the gym/elite 4 teams (not necessarily the puzzles or anything). Also, giving a way to buy some of the evolution items that are post-game locked (ex: for Weavile and Gliscor) would be fantastic as well. I feel like those would just be relatively small changes that would significantly improve the games.
Oop, just so you know, PaPaSea... Pokemon Let's Go: Pikachu and Eevee were actually supposed to be based on Pokemon Yellow because they came out on the 20 year anniversary of that game. If things were different from Red/Blue, that's probably why.
Nah the story still didnt make sense.
In yellow you were still Red and your rival was Blue. You are defeating Team Rocket for the first time.
In the Let's Go games, you are a new character and both Blue and Red exist in this world (You can battle both of them). So if Red is around that means Team Rocket has already been defeated yet this new character is also defeating them and Giovanni for the first time.
It's not a huge deal but definitely messes with the timeline.
@@markroy8342 well that’s because it’s in the Mega timeline dude lmao. It’s an alternate storyline to Yellow which it is still based around.
The Sun and Moon games being so low is the least based thing I’ve ever seen
They really deserve a lot more love. The whole vibe is great, save for the boring dialog you can't skip
@@GrabEmByTheJoystick Even that it's kinda of an ass complain, because bro, your are playing a jrpg at the end, not expecting to read a ton of dialogue it's something that only pokemon fans really complain
@@willfern1096 You're not playing a JRPG you're playing Pokemon, when a new game in a series has something way more tedious than all the previous games in the series people have a right to be annoyed. If it was a GOOD story it would be fine but it's Saturday morning child cartoon trash which hurts for the teens and young adults who like to play these but have no interest in the show.
@@BryanPopeProductions I completely agree with the statement that the story in it self doesn't help in this aspect and I should've been more clear about my point. But yes, pokémon is a jrpg, it's core mechanic is commonly seen alongside games such as the Megami Tensei games, for example, but of course this doesn't mean the series isn't original and have it's unique aspects that differentiate it from other games from a similar genre. Although, this culture of not carrying about pokemon story were built by itself and I can't blame you for thinking such thing, but pokemon fans complains about it as if it is the worst thing in the world to fucking read. Pokémon BW, 1 and 2, Legends and SM has, for pokémon patterns, a interesting story, but yeah, it's still very childish and it needs to improve.
@@willfern1096honestly the biggest gripe was usum coming out and saying 'fuck you' to sumo and people did NOT like that a finished game came out in comparison to what looked like some rushed coding.
I'm sorry, but someone who puts sun and moon in F tier can't be playing the same game as me 💀 these games are almost perfect in every aspect, incredible story and mechanics, amazing starters and pokedex and not to mention the lovely atmosphere, bruh if you use too much dialogue as an argument, you should play anything else but pokémon, because how do you have patience to play a turn battle game if you don't have patience to just read
@windrose5988Pokemon IS a jrpg what are you on about blud
If sun and moon are ranked low because dialog, I think gen 8 belongs there too. The stopping you in your tracks to spit dialog and drag you around your nose is just as bad if not worse. I actually quit Sword because I came out of the wild area, saw Sonia waiting to derail the gameplay, and just couldn't go through with it. Took me a year to get back to finish the game.
I love all Pokémon games and I never really understood the hate for new games/Pokémon until now, scarlet and violet have got to be the worst Pokémon game by a significant margin even if the framerate and graphics were perfect it’s till a boring story, with the most awful Pokémon designs and names 😭
I quit Sword after the 8th badge but before the champion tournament because I just wasn't having fun; that was the first Pokemon game that's ever bored me, and SV were even worse
@@shadowrose8907 I found sword and shield decent I managed top put in 70 hours, but it boads zero replayibility the only reason I played that much was because it was the first open world and it felt new but once the novelty wore off all that was left was an empty shell of a game, scarlet and violet are 10x worse though I agree
@@B1GOW3N with everything happening since 2017 (arguably since 2013 but ORAS and SM were decent enough) yeah I can confidently say I am no longer a Pokémon fan
@B1GOW3N You probably like gen 5's pokemon anarchy themes, scarlet and violet easily had the most immersive stories if you weren't headbutting through them like an idiot.
Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon were such huge improvements over the base Sun and Moon. They’re some of my favorite games ever. Also X/Y aren’t nearly as bad as everyone makes them out to be. B2/W2 are my favorites but I think gens 6 and 7 are criminally under appreciated.
Gen 7 is very under appreciated, Gen 6 is meh
X7Y are my favourites. I think it's probably because I started to get into pokemon when they were just announced/released & I had to wait half a decade to get myself a 3DS to play them (my parents were very 'if you just look at games you'll go from straight As to failing all your classes')
USUM was one of the biggest cash grabs of all time. Gamefreak took 60 bucks for slight changes in the story and gameplay in a game, which was one of the worst in the whole series and still makes two games out of it to make more money. So mad people accept this and buy these games
XY really wasn't that good tbh. ORAS was solid though.
I personally love Sun/Moon, but USUM is far superior but after having spent so much time with S/M, USUM just felt underwhelming when it came out. Those two games alone are the number 1 reason for me to never have 'second' games again, even though Emerald and Platinum are IMO two of the best games ever made. DLCs are just better for a sequel.
@@unrokkbar i've been boycotting pokemon games since usum; we're the only ones left lmao
No shot SWSH got ranked higher than any Gen 7 game
Edit: and SV under SWSH? What a list
Scarlet and violet Is terrible,i would have put it at even lower then F,
“If you ignore the flaws of Gen 3 it’s really good”
@@SlitheringStevePhilipsI don’t think he ignored them, he just didn’t think they were that important.
Scarlet and Violet are genuinely just bad games, even the dlcs are bad, at least swsh had crown tundra for the dynamax adventures and new legendaries, swsh just kept going with the past and future trend and kind of butchered a lot of the designs
Scarlet and Violet are pretty great games held down by the bugs and terrible performance whenever a single water droplet is on screen.
The gen 7 hate is wild lmao
Gen 7 sucks that’s why lol
@@bassmasta93 calling it outright the worst is a stretch when you look at what came out directly after it
@@gugg2216 the fact it doesn’t have gyms is a good enough reason for it to be the worst imo
@@bassmasta93 I didn't really see the lack of gyms that big of an issue as the entire game structure was built around being different. Trials made sense enough to me because tradition and allat. I can see where you're coming from but I don't think the lack of gyms would be just enough. I'll say that dialogue is indeed a big part in making the game annoying, but then there's those who moan about the lack of hms and instead helping pokemon. Those people are nostalgia blind and the lack of hms actually just made it better if anything. Then there's the fact sumo was a year before usum, the game that was just the original but better in every single way. Gen 7 DEFINITELY had flaws but I personally don't believe it warrants being the worst in the face of the Let's Go games of all things.
@@gugg2216 I HATE the ‘helping Pokémon’ instead of HM’s
Find it so childish that a random Pokémon just uses a move for you.
And Pokémon gyms are the bread and butter of Pokémon, having no gyms is like removing the Pokédex or the elite 4.
I personally think sun and moon is the worst, but I also think anything after black and white is poor, except legends arceus.
I know you hate the gen 7 games, but I will die on the hill that they are actually really good.
Gen 7 are indeed good games, but the early "tutorial" in Sun/Moon is just way too long and goes very slow. They did actually fix that issue with the UltraSun / UltraMoon games.
@@SanderEvers i doubt that would completely obliterate the enjoyment, atleast not for me.
Right!! It gets too much hate! Just cause of some cut scenes.
Yeah, us/um are really good imo too. It was nice to take a break from the gym battles and the region felt very unique while playing for the first time
they are really good, the only problem i have with them is the handholding. but future pokemon games (SwSh) have them(to some degrees even worse) and still ranked higher. SwSh were more linear in the map and have arguably the worst story. This tier list is objectively and subjectively heavily biased XD
While I get Sun/Moon aren't for everyone, I think the Ultra games get a bad wrap. This is the first generation to remove HMs. The Exp share can be turned off so the player can choose when to level the whole party. Zygarde cells are a fun, casual side quest throughout the game. Ultra wormholes add a ton of legendaries and ultra beast battles like the wormholes in ORAS and random mon to encounter. While I think it's a little random, the Ultra Necrozma fight is a good challenge. Repeating the elite four has several alternate fights for you to defend your title. Team Rainbow Rocket is a fun boss gauntlet. SOS chaining is one of the most satisfying shiny hunting methods once you put in time to get a team for it. The Pokemon Archipelago is a fun side thing for growing berries, geting treasures or training. There's also optional areas and caves that can be revisited in the post game. I think the unskippable cutscenes give the game a bad reputation, but I've been going through to 100% the game and even just getting all of the TMs makes you see all of the side content I missed my first time. But it's personal preference in the end.
“Bad wrap”
Lol, zoomer moment.
I agree with all of that. If the cutscenes were slightly less invasive and Ultra didn't come only a year after Sun/Moon, I know folks would have those games as some of their favorites.
I think Ultra being 'third editions' but split pissed people off the most (I know it did for me). Because X/Y were games that needed a third edition but has not received one, yet Sun and Moon can be entirely skipped for the Ultra games.
@@crowqueenamps "yet Sun and Moon can be entirely skipped for the Ultra games." this here is the biggest thing wrong with them Sun and Moon shouldn't exist as they are and USUM should have been Sun and Moon.
The cut scenes in sun and moon weren't as bad as cheren and the girl not leaving me in peace (B&W) is my take😅...Sun and moon was something different and I enjoyed it more then PLA
UltraSun and UltraMoon got what they deserved after making so the Rotomdex literally never shuts up ever with no way to shut it off or drown it in the ocean and just spouts off the same useless information all the time on the bottom screen when you just want to go and look at the map. 🤬
I personally like the Alola games the most
simply for it having my favorite region, human characters and starter (Popplio)
ORAS def should be S tier! In my opinion their only flaw is that you get Latias/Latios to early and that we didn't get the Emerald battle frontier but the mechanics of the game is the best in the series with everything from flying around on one of the Eon pokemon, the delta episode and the dexnav and interface overall
I can forgive almost everything else that I disagree with, but to slam Sun and Moon for their story, among the best stories in the main series, is unforgivable.
He praises SWSH story that is enough to call him out as a UK fanny
@windrose5988 I mean, if you think more words is automatically better story, or that there is even any real correlation between the two, I dunno what to tell you
You can turn off EXP Share in Pokemon X & Y; seems like a big oversight to think you couldn't
7:31 That is the sound of someone with HEAVY nostalgia blinders. Here's a few off the top of my head: Lacking physical/special split, many Pokemon have unusable movesets (this was the standard from gens 1-3) and some Pokemon don't learn any moves of their attacking type, stone evolution Pokemon almost never learn any new moves (they just deleted the learnset they had in their pre-evo form), there are hardly any useful held items in the game, and in Emerald version, the E4 Champion is a mostly Water type trainer who can be easily swept, compared to the E4 Champions in Ruby/Sapphire or their remakes.
There's probably many more I don't remember, as it's been a couple years since I last replayed them, but compared to the games that came after, the RSE trilogy was not that good. DP are probably the only ones that could rank below it, due to the slowdown on the original hardware, but I think I would rather play any other game from gens 3-6, than play through RSE again
It is his personal tier list. I say Emerald still holds up (I'd actually put it in S myself). I can overlook the flaws. I never had much trouble with movesets in Hoenn either.
You can battle Steven in Emerald too, his Pokémon are on the 70s.
@@lazyhippie6139 I think there's a difference between having a personal favorite, and basically saying that the game is "flawless", or nearly so.
My favorite part of Pokemon is the replayability, and since I prefer to use different teams each time, I've looked at the movesets of most of the available gen 3 Pokemon, and too many of them are painfully lacking, either requiring limited-use TM's to have a decent attacking move, or holding back until the 30-40s for stone evolutions (since stone evo learnsets are practically non-existent). Just look at Pokemon like Scyther, Electrode, Shiftry, Manectric, Sandlash, etc.
It's also really rough to go back to gen 3, from any newer Pokemon game with physical/special split moves, and being limited to these type restrictions. It makes Pokemon like Sneasel and Absol severely underpowered (unable to make use of their STAB), while Pokemon like Alakazam and its elemental punches are way overpowered.
They aren't *unplayably* bad or anything, and I still enjoy replaying Emerald myself, but that is in SPITE of all these flaws. It's important to at least acknowledge them, because no game is perfect, and these games... I would say, are far from it.
@windrose5988 I did begin my reply by stating what was important to me in a Pokemon game: the replayability. So the fact that so many Pokemon of the ones available are simply unusable during the story mode is a significant deterrent for me. It might not be the case for others, but I still think it's important to note that this game is not as 'flawless' as they would say.
SV lacking in Pokemon is a pretty crazy complaint, considering just how many Pokemon you have access to with just the base game itself (a whopping 400 in the regional dex). I would think the only other game that even remotely compares is X and Y, having like 450 Pokemon spread across its 3 regional dexes.
The lack of Mega-evolution IS a valid complaint though imo; I also wish they continued to include it, instead of replacing it with alternative gimmicks. But it can also be used as a positive point, as I enjoyed its inclusion in Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee.
You can't look at games in a bubble, because they don't exist in a bubble. You could say that they were great games "for the time", but that doesn't mean that they are still good games now, and right now is when we are playing them.
As for your comment on SV vs Emerald, that is highly subjective. I'm not sure how many would agree with me, but personally, I think I would enjoy replaying SV over Emerald any day, considering the amount of Pokemon and different exploration routes available to me (especially with the dlc included). Emerald just doesn't have what I'm looking for in that regard. I still think it's a good game (probably the best of the gen 3 games), but it's certainly now flawless (which was the point I was trying to make with my initial comment on the video)
I really liked sun and Moon. The final battle in that game was really challenging for me.
I played sun and moon so many times.
Same I really liked that game
im an adamant disliker of the “new” pokémon games, but seriously sun and moon are my second favs😭
@@OstentatiousGraceagreed
Moon is my second favorite, right behind Platinum. Gen 7 did a lot right IMO.
There is NO way Scarlet/Violet should rank lower than Sword/Shield! Jank aside, Scarlet/Violet leaned into the open world, had banger music, and captured that childhood sense of adventure. Plus, Larry. Sword/Shield had such cringy writing and wouldn't let you go one route without holding your hand. Its music was forgettable, the dynamax/gigantimax mechanic was as stupid as its name, and so many of the new Pokémon designs were trash.
There, got that out of my system. I know, so much is opinion-based, but Sword/Shield almost made me quit the franchise I'd been playing since Red/Blue. Scarlet/Violet put new life into the series for me. There. Said my bit.
As a fan of the franchise day 1 (got Pokemon Blue for Christmas in 1998). Couldn’t agree more. I played Shield and Let’s Go Pikachu and was pretty underwhelmed by both. Sure I enjoyed them for what they were, but they had zero replay value and I thought they were just ok. So I was standoffish when Arceus and Scarlet/Violet came out. I have never played any of the games after leaf green before I played Let’s Go Pikachu. So I was pretty much done with the franchise after not being impressed with Shield. Me and my girlfriend happened to go to GameStop a couple weeks ago and I overheard someone who worked there talking about how much he liked the game and he considered himself a fan of the old games. So I decided I would try it and I bought Scarlet. And I have not been disappointed. The open world to me is so cool and I’m having a lot of fun just going around and catching ‘mons. And a lot of people complain about the graphics being disappointing which I get, but to me i don’t mind. I’m used to pixelated 2d games when it comes to Pokémon. I have been enjoying the game a lot and yeah I’m happy I picked it up. I thought a D-rank was ridiculous but I don’t think I played any of the games he ranked higher than b-tier so there is that
@windrose5988 I’m still playing and I do see what you mean. The game is still a little buggy even after they have patched it. And it lags pretty badly. I’m still having fun with it and still think D-Rank was too low of a score. But I understand your frustration. If the game developers cared more and really put their best effort in to it this would’ve been an all time great game. Definitely frustrating that they came close but couldn’t execute
True I do not remember any music of sword and shield expect the dynamax music and funfact I played this game 3 years ago. While I played Pokémon black 2 10 years ago I can still remember so many songs
Ranking BDSP over SV is actually the silliest thing I have seen all day lmao
BDsP actually has difficulty and EV training to all the trainers. Has the more traditional feel to the game with routes ect though would of preferred that with over world pokemon
Seriously though. BDSP is straight up dog-water. I agreed with most of this list, thought SM/USUM was a little low and SwSh was a little high, but then boom. He hit us with the most unpopular take at the end lol
As a remake, BDSP is absolute trash. But as a game, I would always rather play it than S/V or SW/SH
@@SirQuadrat 100%
Have you seen the glitches,graphics,lag I can go like this all day bdsp was pretty shit ngl but cmon sv wasn't great either and ut was gen 9 which should be way bigger
Unpopular opinion, but I actually love X and Y! Do I wish it were a bit less easy? Absolutely. Am I biased by mega evolution being present in the game? Quite possibly. But overall I think they’re solid games, and I have some good fun every time I replay them :))
The gen 7 Alola games are my favorite because I really love the story. Really feels more like a Lillie story and that made me really love her as a character. I remember when I first played these games and I cried when she left at the end. I didn’t want her to go! She felt like a real life friend to me despite being a fictional character in a video game.
bro same i was in as terrible spot in life when sun n moon came out and was so devastated that she left
Lilly VS Necrozma is by far the best animated pokemon battle in history. Its called pokemon evolutions: the eclipse.
That's kinda why I hated them ngl.
Deducting points because they dont explain everything about a mechanic thats deliberately meant to be unexplained is a little silly imo. The appeal of Paradox Pokemon and Ultra Beasts is that the player is meant to infer what they are, ESPECIALLY with paradox pokemon. IDK man maybe its different for other folks but I find that stories get cheapened when everything is explained and sometimes having some loose threads for the player/reader to piece together can give that piece of fiction an extra kick.
Spoilers for SM/USUM and SV + DLC
What we can infer about Ultra Beasts is that they come from alternate realities and are meant to be the Pokemon equivalent to alien invasion and invasive species that wreck havoc on ecosystems. We know that Ultra Space (the space between dimensions) is filled with Ultra Energy and the Gen 7 box legendaries are naturally atuned to it and can freely travel through ultra space. Necrozma can also travel through ultraspace but it feeds on that ultra energy. Ultra energy is also what causes Z-moves, and Beast Boost, and is essentially a form a light, and that are very important for the health of universes. We don't get more information on Ultra Beasts because they're a natural phenomenon in another world, meaning research opportunities are sparse, but they're just alt-reality pokemon, there's obviously infinite potential to explore there because any ultra beast is going to be just a piece of its natural ecosystem..
What we can infer from Paradox Pokemon is even less because they're brand-new discoveries and are deliberately kept secret from the general public due to where they're found and why they were brought to Paldea; literally almost no research has been done on them, the dex entries pull from dubious sources and paranormal journals -- they technically don't even have names in the traditional sense.They're the Pokemon answer to cryptids, and unearthly creatures from out of time you would see in pulp science fiction: dinosaurs in the center of the earth or robots from an apocalyptic future. We know that they were supposedly pulled out of time into the present, but due to the straight up contradictions in their existence, players started to speculate that they were infact figments of imagination brought to life by the Tera Phenomenon, which already seems to have some reality-bending abilities. However with the DLC the implication is that Paradox Pokemon come from alternate timelines, likely from the past or future, but from timelines that are likely disconnected from the timeline of the present-day story of SV. I think the Terastal phenonmenon is honestly as well-explained as Mega evolution and Dynamaxing (arguably better than Mega Evolution since there's technically two origins of mega evolution, kinda? The ultimate weapon and the ancient meteor?): they originate from an ancient legendary pokemon with that has a ridiculous power that has limited reality-warping abilities that allow Pokemon to change type, can allow for time travel and is weirdly corrosive? Pretty similar in concept to Dynamaxing, but with different applications; they just don't focus on the legendary compared to previous games until the DLC, and for once it's not portrayed as a villain, but just an animal with a over-powered defense mechanism. The fact that Terapagos arrived on Earth 2 million years ago makes it almost impossible to infer its origins or why its Terastal power exists, and that's the point. I think moreso than any other game in the series (except Red and Blue) SV's story deliberately leaves things to the imagination because of the atmosphere it's trying to create which hinges on its mystery. It answers things to an extent but leaves things to the imagination. Now I think it mostly pulls it off, but even I'll admit that I thought the DLC might have left a few too many things unanswered (HOW DID KIERAN REVIVE THE LOYAL THREE THO)
Perfectly put
Cope
my god im not reading that manifesto.
@@aa-tx7thMe when my dumbass little brain can't handle text:
Sun and moon in F yet red and blue in C is actually insane
@@Ra18To Thats just biased bro
@@Ra18To go back and play gen 1 and they are some of the worst aged games of all time they are Genuinely unplayable at times. Just bc they are the first in the series and the nolstalgia does not make them good also 75% of gen 1 mons have horrible designs
@@sfishsticks1650 no idea how you can think gen 1 is unplayable. unless you are talking purely on graphics. if you are talking about glitches, dont even bother, since the later gens have some of the worst glitches in the entire franchise. genuine game breaking stuff.
not only that, but gen 1 has the best flow of all the games in the entire franchise, allowing the players to pick who to face next. with the only mandatory gyms to progress being brock, misty and koga, with giovanni being mandatory last.
the only thing bad about those games is the missables on the boat. with some amazing stuff like the body slam tm being gone if you complete it without getting them. also the puzzle in surge's is really bad. but compared to some of the crap in later gens, i dont even think its anywhere near as bad.
Bro gen 7 being F and D is cap as hell
Ain’t no way you out bdsp above usum :(
Red was the first pokemon game I played way back in 98, but when I got Silver, it was the game the made me love the franchise.
Same exact story. Red first then Silver and I was hooked for life
Same here. And they just had such a great feel back then. It’s hard for these younger guys to come from gen 7 for example and try and enjoy red or silver like we did. At the time, they were amazing games.
I can't actually believe I NEVER knew that Crystal had a battle tower!
It's in the same place the HGSS battle frontier is!
I am actually so shocked!
yeah HGSS are pretty much a remake of crystal instead of OG gold and silver - the only difference in the plot is how ho-oh is catched (obviously, being gold's box pokemon they had to stick with that). in Crystal you had to catch the beasts first in order to meet ho-oh and it's basically post game as suicune and the golden bell are in kanto. i think you can still catch lugia pre league though
like eugene's whole character and suicune being more important is a crystal plot, in the OG he roamed with the others as soon as you encounter them
I thought the Let's Go games were remakes of Yellow, not FireRed and LeafGreen. 🤔
SV in D tier is honestly wild to me
I know I probably like it more than most people but it's a blast. The characters are fun, the new Pokemon are great, tera is a fun gimmick, paradox Pokemon are awesome, the DLC is a blast
I'm sure it probably helps that I didn't have any HUGE glitches in my time at all, just janky fps which didn't really get too much in the way of my enjoyment
My Pokemon hot take is gen 5 is massively overrated and I know that is definitely not something many people online seem to consider. A lot of the Pokemon seem so forgettable to me because it felt like GF had to make a bunch of filler because the first games were all new Pokemon for the main story, so it feels like you get a lot of "here's a [Kanto Pokemon] but slightly different". The story never did it for me when I played through them, unova was meh to me, and I honestly don't like the animated sprites. Something about how they move and bend and stretch the pixels looks so bleh to me.
I think most people actually really like it; it's just that the people who don't like it are much louder than usual (since there's been a string of "bad" Pokemon games that have caused a lot of tension in the community)
That being said, I love SV as well, it's pretty high up there as some of my favorite games in the series so far. I especially love the characters who join you on your journey, they are full of personality, with some very interesting interactions between you and the other characters you meet, which I've always enjoyed
For real, the glitches and performance issues have been heavily exaggerated by a salty community that likes to hate everything about new Pokémon games. The Pokémon designs are absolutely amazing and some of my new favorites came from this generation, even considering nostalgia for some older ones. I’ve put more hours into this game compared to my playtime of older games combined when playing as a kid. I remember when everyone hated BW and now everyone is overhyping them. I think they’re great, but people are now claiming they’re the absolute best in the series and think that’s kind of funny since they used to be the most hated. Give it 20 years when SV remakes are rumored to be coming out and people will start claiming them to be the best. I feel like this cycle occurs every time we’re expecting remakes and the generation expected to be remade becomes the most beloved and the newest at the time becomes the most hated.
I honestly didn't enjoy them. It's OK to have different opinions. I WANTED to enjoy them, but I felt that they were open world for the sake of being open world instead of having a really good reason to be so. I didn't encounter too many glitches myself, but did find the frame rates irritating, and found myself frustrated all the time when playing it.
Of the 3 paths, I only liked Arven's story. The team bases were kind of boring to me and the gym puzzles were generally silly. Yeah, not the games for me. If others enjoy it, that's great! I just didn't, and I'm not trying to just echo others' opinions. I played all the way through the Elite Four and Nemona battle (so gave it an honest try), but didn't like most things about it. We keep forgetting that people are allowed to have opinions.
I've accepted that newer Pokémon games might not be my thing, which makes me sad (except for Arceus, I LOVED Arceus. Solid A tier), but I still have all the older games.
I've been considering giving SV another try, but I can't bring myself to do so.
@@lazyhippie6139 I think it's perfectly fine that you didn't enjoy the game as a whole, but at least you played through it all.
There are so many people who took one look at the framerate and the minor visual bugs at launch and immediately hated it, without even giving it a proper chance.
I much prefer to hear opinions like yours, that are more meaningful than just "poor framerate" or "bad graphics".
Also, I loved Arceus as well! It's near the top of my list, alongside Scarlet and Violet, honestly :D
I think most of SV glitches come from Multi player and if you bought digital, at least from what I’ve heard.
Legends arceus is my favorite pokemon game. The mechanics is just so unique and fun
I appreciate what they were trying to do, and I'd probably like it more if it weren't on the heels of SM (never played USUM *because* of SM) and SwSh, but the 'dex completion mechanic just seemed needlessly grindy to me; I ended up dropping it pretty early on, unfortunately
For 12 years or so, I didn't play any Pokémon games and the first one after this time was Ultra Sun. I had a blast with the game, everything was fresh and new, different from before, I could choose clothes.
So when I see Gen 7 is basically universally hated, I find it really funny. I guess it all goes from the moment in your life you play the game.
I loved the Sun/Moon games as they were a breath of fresh air for the series at the time. It also does have my favorite starter of all time which is Rowlet. I would definitely rank it a little higher than F tier and maybe put it in the B tier for the Ultra games and C tier for the regular games. For Legends Arceus it was a good game that got rather repetitive and I would rank that closer to the C tier.
Gen 7 slander is insane 😭
Diamond/Pearl being that high is absolutely criminal
sure it brought important mechanics and whatnot, but the flaws massively outweight the goods
and having Sword/Shield anywhere that isnt in F or lower is also absolutely criminal, god damn
Not really, DP have a LOT more qualities than flaws. The only first games of a gen that are better than DP are BW. They only seem bad because you compare them to Platinum which is even better
My favourite pokemon games are actually sun and moon, especially for the fact that gamefreak finally tried something new. Also they were the only games with a story and characters that managed to actually spark my interest. Oh and the evil team was - by far - the best ever.
The platinum and pearl remakes on the other hand are by far my most hated games. They are the only main line games I didn't even finished because I was annoyed and bored out of my mind. The horrible balancing and ansurdly stupid story were my main reasons is guess...
Was with you for like 75%, but that last quarter? Phew, I got some disagreements.
I feel like judging Scarlet and Violet for its lost potential is a bit unfair if you aren't also gonna do that for BDSP. When you put those next to every other remake it's the epitome of lost potential in the franchise.
I also would have rather Sword and Shield gotten judged a bit more harshly given that the positives of the DLC like the Dynamax Adventures and Crown Tundra would mean you're spending $90 on the game.
I'd also disagree with the SM/USUM ranking. Lusamine was an unabashedly vile woman, with her denying Lillie as her daughter being one of my favorite moments in the series. Seeing Lillie still push past the abuse to become her own person and stop her mother was such a thrill to watch. I'd argue the art direction of Sun and Moon is one of the best, second only to the Let's Go games. And then for USUM I'd rank it as worse because it came out directly after Sun and Moon, nerfed Lusamine as a villain, and was completely unecessarily split into 2 games to squeeze out some more money.
Bro did Alola dirty
Damn, I don't agree at all with your placement of Sun / Moon and Sword / Shield, haha. I acknowledge their flaws but still really, really like them ❤
Fun video, dude 👍
i dont think anyone in the comments agree with him on that. felt like he had a bad experience due to something else, and decided it was the games fault or something. for example, he complains about the amount of text. but never talks about the ungodly amount of backtracking of the games including ruby, saphire and emerald. which to me are far worse offenders.
i have no problem being able to go back to deal with something, but those games were really taking the piss.
It's always kind of sweet to see people having their own relationship with certain games. Like, I've got fond specific memories of certain games - playing Diamond alongside my brother playing Pearl during summer vacation at my grandparents' house, fighting doubles at the battle tree in USUM with my partner, and watching one of my favourite streamers play Nuzlockes of BW and BW2 and feeling the rush of his Pokémon journey.
Whelp, now I remember why these videos lost credibility with me.
just because someone doesn’t have the same opinion as you doesn’t mean you have to hate it
in gen 6 and 7 you can turn off the exp share
We should all have dismissed this list as soon as he put diamond and pearl above heartgold and soulsilver. I understand we all have nostalgic biases but my lord man, did you even play past the first hour in some of these games?
Sun and Moon definitely aren't the worst games in the series? That feels like such a hot take
I plan on replaying it soon, but Generation 7 is still my favorite generation.
I really like the Alola Region and I really like that it took a different approach for how the story went compared to just getting all the gym badges.
I'm in the middle of a Gen 8 replay at the moment but playing through it just makes me enjoy it a lot more, especially after playing through Gen 9.
Gen 8's hate never really made much sense to me outside of them removing the National Dex, which while it may not matter for a casual playthrough, I really prefer having all Pokémon in the game for team building.
Plus, I feel like SwSh had the better art direction than SV. Since it looked like a better Gen 7 and that's exactly what I was wanting.
Also great to see someone who doesn't rank BDSP super low since they're not really terrible games.
I agree with most of this list my only couple of gripes would be that bdsp should be c tier at best, as with some of their 'improvements' some fun features got removed or deminished like with secret bases, also the fact they came out and stayed buggy for so long that there are still restrictions regarding these games blocking some legit Pokémon from being transferred out.
And then I feel you are doing SV a bit dirty while sure there is a number of issues I still feel the openness and the slight increase in replayability help it a bit, but especially i think it is helped by the blueberry cafe having actual challenging battles, which have really been missing since X and Y, as such i think it should at least be placed ahead of SWSH
USUM in D with BDSP in B is the biggest wild take I find with this video 😭 Otherwise this matches FAIRLY well with my thoughts.
"Yo-kai Watch was a series"
That "was" hurts me.
Putting Diamond and Pearl in A-tier is sheer nostalgia goggles. It's low C at best. It'd argue the performance is equal to or worse than SV.
personally sun/moon get a solid C for me with ultra sun/moon eeking out a B due to side quests and other improvements
Ouch, I dont know about Ultra Sun/Moon being so low. Especially compared to Lets Go series. USM had the ultra beast, a unique approach to the gym system, an incredible region with a great culture aesthetic, the manta surfing mini game, the HM use for ride Pokémon was cool, it introduced regional forms like Alolan Vulpix which is REALLY cool, a good post game with the team Rocket axis of evil style time travel, the warp dimension of being able to capture old legendries, the island system of Barry farms and training courses to raise EVs while you were not playing, The SOS mechanic for chaining good IVs and Shiny hunting at the same time. There is a lot of good there. Yea a lot of cut scenes and its linier, but once everything is open there is a lot of fun to be had.
But Lets Go! was a big disappointment. It had no abilities, no held items, and I hated the catching mechanic. It doesn't even have pro controller support which I will hold against it as it didnt utilize the whole Switch systems capabilities. The chain mechanic was a slog compared to the SOS system. No game corner and no safari zone either. The could have added something new like the GO park without removing an iconic location from the original game, and since I do not play Pokémon Go it was a bummer. And it was made easier. So overall I feel like its less of a package that the original Red and Blue.
pretty much how i felt as well. hated the let's go games. only thing it did right was look the best on the switch(which is less merit of it, and more a detriment of the games that in that console) and the pokemon outside the pokeball being the best done in the entire franchise.
everything else was complete trash for me.
I’m sorry but that gen 7 take is rough
scarlet and violet over sun and moon is actually crazy
Yeah both should be A tier
Tbh i think both can be tied. Both had great story lines, interesting gimmicks, great variety of pokemon and had good conclusions. A tier atleast
@@OmEn2. yes true
Gen 7 will always be my favorite
This clown somehow put BDSP in B, while somehow putting SM in F.
one is a broken, unfinished mess made by a team with no prior experience developing an entire game that fails to innovate in any way and whose success is solely based on milking nostalgia
the other has a lot of words
Lost me at sun and moon. They are great games even better than sw/sh
Gen 9 at D hurts, my experience with it was a blast with the open world and fun new pokemon and characters. I would say a B personally. I've been a fan since Generation 3 and have played every mainline title. I agree with everything else on the list tho, good video
They’re trash should’ve been F
Gen 9 initial playthrough is like.. high A low S tier but.. playing after that is misery..
Bro Scarlet and Violet are S tier games story wise, the pokémon models look amazing with the size differences and textures
The only real issues the games have is the poor performance and to some degree DLC's being a controversial addition to pokémon games (I personally enjoy them tho)
yeah ppl focus too much on the poor performance but man that was by far the best pokemon experience I ever got and I've played this franchise since the very beginning of it (red version).
Still for a game in 2022 and having a high price tag, it's horrible. S tier means masterpiece, but this game was so clearly rushed
Game is trash holy crap
IDK, it's not only the performance issues. There are a few missed potentials as well. The lack of level scaling means that although it's an open world, there's a very clearly defined "correct" linear path to take through it. A few things like that make it feel like it was on its way to being truly great, and then they released it instead of polishing it up and finishing it off.
Honestly I really like S/V, but the performance issues aren't my main complaint about them
Lets see...For the best, I'd kind of put it in a tie between three different games. They can kind of shift depending on my mood.
Platinum: I spent so many hours doing all that I could and raising so many Pokemon for the Battle Frontier. I do wish it was a bit faster, but I love this game so much.
B2W2: Definitely can see why this is considered the best by a lot of people. So much to do, a great Pokedex, overall fun.
USUM: Rather underrated in my opinion. I can get some of the story being a bit of a downgrade to the original, at least with Lillie (I actually didn't mind Lusamine in the Ultra games) it expanded the Pokedex well, and actually gave me a bit of a challenge.
For the worst:
Probably BDSP: Sure, I will appaude it for not bringing back HMs and running faster, but that's honestly it. I've always perferred Platnuim over Diamond and Pearl and everything in BDSP just feels so...lame.
And for some runner ups so I can have three for each:
XY: Going to be honest, I wasn't the biggest Gen 6 fan. But when I went back to play them recently, I did enjoy ORAS. I didn't enjoy XY that much sadly.
Let's Go: I don't really hate this game if I'm being honest, it was a fun little relaxing time to play it, but I don't see myself going back for another playthrough again.
I have nothing against these games I hate and if you guys like them, that's fine. I can see some charm for them.
15:06 NO BUD! The EXP Share can be turned off on Gen 6 and 7... was on Gen 8 where it was always on
Also even when I love Sun and Moon and are good games in my eyes
I can't but agree with the fact they are not the best game by a long shot...
when you replay this game many parts of it are just TEXT AFTER TEXT... which is boring, but the Battle Facility is really nice
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but I disagree with you on Tera being less busted than Z-moves...
think for a second... which is more unfair? Heatran having a one-time nuke on Gastrodon (that can be scouted with a switch or direction)... or Heatran suddenly becoming a Gastrodon Check if it goes Tera Grass?
I like Teratypes! BUT I don't like the fact it just adds another RNG layer to the online battles
Even if it’s only for 25% of the damage, z moves go through protect (not that good of an argument, but important for vgc)
@@urunoobinho and what's the deal? Something like smart switching can get around that
Also if Gastrodon switchs out into Mandibuzz for example it takes the hit extremely well and Heatran lost his nuke on Gastrodon
Running Solar Beam on Heatran isn't effective if it doesn't becomes Bloom Doom...
If you Tera Grass on Gastrodon of a Sun Team (Who is meant to beat Heatran using Earthquake or Earth power
well Heatran now is unbreakable
Resists Ground, inmune to fire thanks to Flash Fire, takes scald, Hidropump no problem, neutral to fighting
Your only chance is using a Water or Ice Type to slam it but no water wants to switch into Tera Grass Tera Blast or Heatran Fire Moves...
So you're in a pretty bad position compared to Heatran using Bloom Doom
Also once Heatran uses Bloom Doom, the item goes useless...
And has no Assault Vest, Choice item, Leftovers...
Think about it again, were Z Moves really that much worst than Tera?...
I love the complexity it brings to the game but I don't like it on the online ladder
You can always get into a match that's practically a win until they use a Tera you didn't count for and now you loose
Hidden Power 70 BP max was part of the balance for the move
Now every Tera Pokémon can loose a ton of resistances and win basically a 120 Base power (With Stab) Hidden Power really easy to spam
the story of Scarlet and Violet is unmatched, deserves at LEAST an A tier imo, i've never felt more attached to pokémon games characters and the soundtracks are outstanding
Oh god my tier list looks very different in a lot of regards, mainly due to the fact that I rank the Alola games in S tier. Despite their lower difficulty, Sun and Moon have probably the best story in any Pokémon game (sorry B&W, you would be more in the running if you were better paced). Lillie is a character who's development you get really invested in, Gladion manages to do the edgy rival trope right, and Lusamine makes for an appropriately disturbing villain. Then we got Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon. I may not have appreciated these games at the time but now I love the upgraded trial challenges, broader variety of things to do, and especially that Ultra Necrozma fight. I'd even argue that the story remains strong, even if it does get a little derailed towards the end. Also, I really don't mind there not being an in-depth explanation of the Ultra Beasts. They're Pokémon from another dimension. Does the game really need to explain further?
HG/SS on the tailend of A list is pure madness 😭
I’d have HGSS S tier if not the best games oat
I dont know why he couldnt see the massive improvement of hg/ss over g/s/c tbh but it is what it is@@reddannyo3863
Idk why I expected reviews based on full playthroughs and proper coverage/proper research of gimmicks and differences...
Fr. Very few actual important things, mostly personal opinion.
Gen 5 for me was the worst most disconnected games I played it struggled to feel like a pokemon game to me.
You made some great points! I'd really like to see how you would rank Spin-Off games in this style, and maybe how you would rank them along with the mainline games. Most of the mainline games follow the same basis, so seeing how you would formulate a large variety of genres would be fascinating to watch!
Scarlet and Violet in D tier is absolutely RIDICULOUS BRO HOLY
Broski barely touched on anything that Scarlet/Violet brought. I thought he was going to go more in depth and then give his rating😭
You ain't joking. While it does have a fair bit of pure blasphemy.. such as the shiny-locking... 😮💨.. It's also got amazing potential once they finally release all the restrictions. And it's just fun with all the events, shiny hunting, and trading with the community in discord servers and such.
This dude goes straight to hell with this list.
For real don't disrespect D tier like that it belongs lower.
no bc literally. scarlet was the most fun ive had in a pokemon game since gen 5. FIVE. FOUR GENS AGO!!!!
They are trash
graphics and performance aside SV are great games, I think a lot of what it has to offer go a long way to make up for the technical shortcomings which is why personally I don't think it should be ranked so low because of the technical issues imo.
If so the broken mess that is gen 1 would have ti be rated lower, cause I can't as someone who grew up on periphery material until high school when I got my first ds to play pokemon black and white 2, i cant go back to gen 1 and 2
@@bigkirbyhj666 gen 1 and 2 bugs need to be hunted down. SV performance and its lack of good NPCs are very easy to see. Still BDSP and SWSH are F tier games at absolute BEST.
@@snintendog The lack of a run button *alone* makes the gen 1 and 2 games a slog to replay (unless you have speed up on emulation, or a romhack that adds the feature). I agree on the BDSP and SwSh front, though I disagree on SV performance. I've actually recently found out that it plays infinitely better in handheld mode, (both through personal experience and anecdotal evidence online) since it caps at 720p (instead of the 1080p default docked mode)
It won't make the game look any prettier, but it will have a much more playable framerate. The gameplay (which I value the most) is top-notch in these games, compared to any other game before it, my favorite being the Blueberry Academy double battles
Also, I love all of the friends you get in SV, especially during the dlc and epilogue, where you get to see so many interactions between them all, from rivals to gym leaders, and elite four members alike. They all have so much personality that was utterly lacking back in the Gameboy era
@@kryzethx Nah your comparing modern standards to a GB game this is a stupid modern mindset. also i can 100% bet you haven't been back to gen 1 or 2 much less ever played them because your complaining on its lifelessness. They are regarded as GB and GBC wonders of programming for a reason.
@@snintendog You say that, and yet that is the mindset that most people nowadays will be using when going back to those older games. You can't just look at the games as they were when they were released; that's called having nostalgia blinders for a reason. You have to look at the games objectively to see if they are *still* worth playing in the 2020s, because that's when you will be playing them, not in the 1990s.
And yes, I have actually gone back to play both gens 1 and 2 with my brother, within the past 3 years, along with gens 3 and 4 (still working through gen 5, juggling between LPA and SV), and the original games just don't hold up. Most level-up learnsets are awful, the move variety is horrendous especially for Bugs, Ghosts, and Dragons, and unavoidable glitches, like the 1/256 miss glitch, badge boost glitch, critical hits based on speed, "smart AI" that spams agility against poison types, special being a singular typing (in gen 1), and the level curve being awful (in gen 2), psychics being overpowered, effects like Sleep and Wrap being overpowered; the list goes on and on.
They just aren't that good anymore, when there are much better versions of those games. Even the most simplistic vanilla+ romhacks make the game infinitely more playable than the originals.
Emerald is easily S tier, the most fun pokemon game.
If Alpha Sapphire, Omega Ruby, Heart Gold and Soul Silver could combine into one game with three campaign mode, including Kanto, that would be the ultimate game for me.
Picking where to start, you could have the Hoenn experience. You could choose to go through the whole Johto experience with Kanto slapped on the end to solidify your team before Red. An option I would like to see would be starting in Kanto, then going through a buffed Johto before fighting Red (or a re-imagined Gold)
You forget to mention that Pokemon X&Y introduced the new fairy type
I just don’t understand why Peale hate on scarlet and violet so much I’ve seen a lot and i mean a lot of lists that say they are the worst games
Framerate and shitty NPCs. The new DLCs arent helping either of those. Meanwhile the SWSH stans shit on SV for things that SWSH does worse like "story" and characters.
Because the minor issues have been extremely exaggerated by the community. People complaining about simplicity and generic graphics (still improved from previous games though) in a game made primarily for kids and beginners is absurd to me. They are easily my favorite games in the series, and I have tons of nostalgia for Gens 1-5 having played them with family a lot since they released. Sure, they could have been better, but there’s no way they’re worse than all of the previous games. Quality of life improvements alone make them leagues better than older games.
@@Themacattack1209 Agreed. They're not my favorites but they're pretty high up and I'm and old school guy that started with Red when I was 9. The two things you can consistently see in most lists is hating new things somehow makes you cool regardless of what reasoning you give and criticism of Emerald is not allowed.
@@clarkX100 exactly. like for instance i remember nearly the entire community HATED gen 5 when it was newer and all of a sudden now it's everybody's favorite (its mine too, but like, my ass was getting shit on for it years ago!). the newest games always get the most backlash, and then a few more years down the line everyone goes crazy for them. i've played every entry multiple times (except usum, never got around to getting a copy but from what i've seen it doesn't look bad) and honest to god i had so much more fun on my scarlet playthough than probably every time i've played dpp and gens 6-8 combined. they're not that bad, they're just new.
The map is pretty boring to explore. Same pokemon spawning in a large biome. No subtle differencies in the same biome like in PLA. No interesting hidden spots on the map like in open world Zelda games.
Also the lack of level scaling forces linearity on the player (which is ironic for an open world game). The exp share removes the necessity for grinding: three battles/encounters and you're now overleveled. The in-battle dialogue and events are slow-paced compared to BW/XY. No shiny overworld sounds/markers. Most of the shinies introduced are barely distinguishable from the originals, which makes them boring.
THERES NO WAY THIS DUDE JUST PUT POKEMON SUN AND MOON IN F TEAR WITH NO HESITATION
had no idea it was an unpopular opinion to hate legends of arceus... it was the only game i couldnt finish
Spoiler warning, this comment is being made around the end of the video.
You stopped mentioning pros in let’s go like overworld Pokémon, and overworld shiny Pokémon, and Pokémon Legends Arceus being an open zone (not exactly world) game with improved movement mechanics, exploration and it being the 1st/sole mainline Pokémon game where you can actually complete the Pokédex within the game itself.
let's go is also a bore with the catch mechanic. i would even argue that the fact you need to grind by catching multiples feel very off, as it pretty much kills the individuality of your team, when you got 100+ of that one pokemon. it makes "gotta catch em all" into a joke.
its not 100% bad, as it has, hands down, the best pokemon outside the pokeball experience, specially compared to the newer games, somehow.
its also something i really dont like in arceus.
less than two minutes in and already been hit with a classic joke 10/10 video
Diamond and Pearl released almost 20 years ago
You just had to go there
The thumbnail says a lot. Swsh is not nearly as bad as BDSP.
Playing Ultra Moon right now again, and yeah the dialogue is a slog but it’s really fun and vibrant to play through again
I replayed Sun recently for a Nuzlock. While I hated the game the first time through, I enjoyed it a lot more the second. It actually has a bit if the same charm as B2W2, with lots of side content.
Unfortunately it's pacing and story are still a little weird. I'd give them A teir somehow.
As someone who was around from the start, here's about how I would work the generational duo entries based on quality of the system they're on and what came before:
#9: Sword/Shield. Just plain bad. Almost no redeeming qualities and the postgame is paygated. The dex and megas were cut, and they lied about the reasons why. Outclassed as an RPG by DQ11. Maybe it's unfair because I skipped, but what I've seen really hasn't changed my mind.
#8: Ruby/Sapphire. Very regressive from Gen 2. No content outside a bad playthrough story. Sacrificed freedom for a linear narrative that got copy/pasted over and over for most future games: 8 Badges in predetermined order, pointless friendly rival, and an evil team trying to catch an apocalyptic hellbeast to destroy the world for stupid reasons. Having opposing teams to try to add variety between the two versions was a neat idea, but they bungled that by barely having them use their elemental types. Music was too screechy to be enjoyable. Outclassed as an RPG by Golden Sun.
#7: Black/White. Would these characters please SHUT UP?! It's frustratingly linear and story focused, but the story isn't interesting until the finale (which I admit was really cool), so it feels like I'm spending all my time mashing A through dialogue or biking back and forth until Audino spawns. The entire region is a straight line where you're literally handheld onto the first route. Recently did a Nuzlocke to try to make things more interesting, and it still felt like a slog. At least the postgame is decent. Good city/route themes, but underwhelming battle themes. I guess the biggest issue is how inconsequential they were in terms of new features, making them feel like filler. If you were to remove one generation and it's contributions, Gen 5 would be the least impactful. Way too many features were locked behind streetpass or a defunct online service that sounded like it was barely useable when it was running. Forcing you to play the main game with only new mons was a neat idea, but they compromised by probably having the worst designs in the franchise. Too many of them felt like 'we have gen 1 Pokemon at home.' Why couldn't you even farm berries without the dream world? The flaws aren't aggressively bad, but there are a lot of them and there isn't a whole lot positive to say here either. Definition of mid.
#6: X/Y: Story was boring and way too easy, but this was pretty much the best time for the competitive scene. They finally corrected Gen 3's sin of the effort value system by making it transparent and giving you an easily accessible method of EV grinding without needing to consult the internet. Breeding for perfect Pokemon is reasonably doable for the first time with proper time investment. Also, Mega Evolutions were a great feature that gave specific old Pokemon a time to shine. Also some that really didn't need a buff. Fairy types were added, but I'm not sure if that really helped or hurt balance. Online access was peak in Gen 6. I have to dock them badly for the group xp share though.
#5: Sun/Moon. Probably the second most story heavy games behind Black and White, but the story is finally original this time, and it revolves around some of the best characters in the series. The repeated story of Gen 3-6 had gotten really stale, so they finally came and shook things up. The boxart legend isn't going to destroy the world. Instead it's a friend that you watch grow who helps you out when you need it. The gym system is gone to take a crack at the more creative Totem boss fights. The evil team are just a goofy group of local drop outs who are kind of hard not to like. It's still a linear game, but at least it feels fresh. Oh, and HM's are gone. Z-Moves were kind of a flop compared to Megas, but that didn't stop me from causing havoc with Porygon-Z. Also I absolutely love Alola as a region. Being based on Hawaii with fitting music gives it fantastic atmosphere, and the whole place has a wonderful sense of family and community. I also really dig that they gave something for your boxed mons to do.
#4: Scarlet/Violet. I kind of think about these games as the antithesis of Black and White. While those games were little high/little low, but overall skippable, Scarlet and Violet go to both extreme ends of quality. They are an embarrassingly glitchy and buggy mess that clearly needed more time in the oven. But if it weren't for that, I would probably put them at #1. They finally bucked the linear formula entirely and let you do whatever you want whenever you want. Granted proper level scaling would have made things much better here. It didn't come at the cost of story either. In fact the theme of adventure and finding what you value plays into the openness wonderfully. Paldea's worldbuilding is fantastic, and I cared more about Arven's dog than any of the world ending legendary nonsense of the earlier games. The final battle against the AI professor in Area Zero is a highlight of the series. Terastelization is probably the most balanced generational gimmick, since it's equally available to everyone, and you can only do it once before recharging. There still isn't a complete natdex, but the Pokemon's models are actually really well textured, and the animations have soul again. Looking at you, Blastoise's hydro pump and Typhlosion's neck flame. Overall, it's like they had an incredibly delicious recipe to cook, but were forced to pull it out of the oven way too early.
#3: Red/Blue. Let's face it. These are the main reason to buy a Gameboy. The hard part here is knowing what to write, since they've already been discussed so thoroughly. It's a story of childhood rivalry and adventure. You start as a kid heading out alone into the world, bonding with these colorful critters, always one step behind Butts, but you progress as a team until you're the best there ever was. Legendaries aren't part of some over dramatic story, but powerful beasts to reward you for exploration. They're glitchy games, but in the best way possible. Being able to break reality if you choose to spawn hundreds of items, or skip story segments, or spawn whatever Pokemon you like makes them an even better experience than their technically superior remakes. Of course that N64 Stadium compatibility gave them a heck of a final challenge if you were hard core enough for it.
#2: Diamond/Pearl: I remember when these games were first advertised one of my friends looked at me and said 'Pokemon is trying to resurrect.' I'd say they did a pretty solid job (granted Platinum's excellence might be influencing my opinion here). The story isn't worth talking about, but I think this was when they finally perfected the battle formula. The physical/special split was the last really major change, and not much aside from the fairy type has changed since. Also significantly, this was when they finally added wifi. You no longer needed friends in the same room, because you could trade, battle, and watch other peoples' battles across the planet. There's also plenty of side content to do here, with the Underground being one of my favorite features to date. The Poketch made excellent use out of that bottom screen, featuring the best version of the item finder. I also think this is the generation where they finally became generous with movepools and almost all species had appropriate options available.
#1: Gold/Silver. I absolutely stand by the claim that these are the Super Metroid or Mario 3 of the Pokemon franchise. They took what worked with Gen 1, ironed out all of the kinks, and went absolutely ham with innovation to the point where it could barely fit the cartridge. The story and themes were about the old and new, letting you straight up revisit areas and characters of the first game while fully embracing the passage of time. The games are true sequels and make full use of that fact. The day/night cycle and different events based on days of the week make the world feel way more alive than a GBC game has any business being. Your character from the first game being the secret final boss was a surprise well remembered to this day. Steel and dark types were huge contributions, and steel being a newly discovered type was integrated into the lore at the time. All of the old mons were basically reinvented with the special split, with a lot of old guys also getting deserved evolutions. New moves are more tactical, so experienced battling isn't just clicking super effective moves all the time. Breeding, shinies, held items, Pokerus, and so much more all originated here. They even had sense to make Ditto breedable with anything, and stick it on the route by the day care. The music always hits its mark, whether it's trying to be chill, adventurous, or intense. The overall difficulty leans toward the easy side, and I see a lot of people run the games down for that. I think they're missing the point. GSC weren't meant to be games you just sit down and push your way through. They're meant to be an experience where you slow down and take the world one step at a time as a day-to-day adventure. Go headbutt trees until you get Heracross, or maybe take on the lucky egg hunt. Pairing up with the old games and using all of your resources to prime your team to take on Stadium 2 in its entirety still feels like the ultimate non pvp battle experience in the franchise.
Heart Gold and Soul Silver at the bottom of A tier is criminal.