Absolutely TOXIC Tournament Team 'Celebrity' Ruins a 40K Game Through Sheer SNARK and Arrogance.
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The older I get the less time and patience I have for these people.
When you work 40 hours a week, cook all your meals, drive around including a 25 minute commute to work each day, have a house a mortgage a husband, a dog and a million other moving parts and cogs that fit together to make your everyday existence then when you're indulging in your free-time-interests then trust me when I say you really are not in the mood to see any of this bullshit.
Hear, hear!
Just a short anekdote from my local gaming club: We were doing a small 1000p Age of Fantasy tournament, 4 rounds in one day. There were a lot of cool games, nothing really salty, but the most bro thing was at the "award ceremony": Since a member of the club won the tournament, the price (a collection of basing materials and tools) went to the last place, giving him a small win after a long day. Good times.
That's a wonderful way to go about it
Back when I was a teenager and we used to do YuGiOh local tournaments our "wooden spoon" prize was a booster pack of the guy who placed bottom's choice.
Kid once pulled a £50 card out of it and fell to his knees in celebration with his hands above his head like he'd just scored the goal that won the FA cup. Was wholesome as hell.
A name tape with "Call Sign: Punisher" on it is the first thing you get in the " Yeah, I almost joined up" starter kit 🤣🤣
Callsign:The Punisher... that is about the most tragic thing I've heard. You're playing a game of toy soldiers. I would be laughing in that guy's face until him mum came to pick him up after the tournament.
9:56 my call sign would be “ultra magnum double extra large condoms and a box of rubber bands”
There is nothing dorkier than an unironic 40k team jersey.
"I'm a massive looser" in a garment.
My friend joined one of these teams.
I can understand people doing it, it gives a sense of belonging, being part of a "dojo".
However, he quited after some time and told me, the coaching often had part where they explained how to skirt around rules.
Certain tactics, which are technically just not cheating yet.
That's very sad, but I can't say it's surprising. I think this is very common in any physical sport as well, how to 'foul' a player without getting penalized for it, how to get away with a nasty slide tackle or an off-sides, etc. Takes away from the spirit of the game.
I don't play 40K but attending many Adepticons and watching the 40K players, specifically in the 4-Man Event, I think the jerseys, team t-shirts, or costumes for some really (at least outwardly) make for a fun event. Maybe it is just the outside view combined with the 4-Man Team tournament format that encourages the team t-shirts. I think the problem that this nightmare calls out is he was playing against an arrogant jerk and the team and shirt just magnified things and gave him a tribe to encourage him. I don't think the team shirts are bad, especially at larger tournaments or cons where your shirts may help you spot your friends easier.
I'm a new player who was introduced to the game by someone in one of those shirts, on one of those teams, and I haven't had any issues what-so-ever. They've all been welcoming, helpful, and incredibly patient with how slow I am as I get used to the rules. They actually organize events, they have pre-game beers with everyone, and they're overall lovely people. I have no doubt that the person in this story is telling the truth but I wanted to add something positive.
I believe the vanguard tactics guy who left the game did so because the other guy was cheating, to be fair, I would do the same.
The Vanguard guy did leave because of non stop cheating and time stalling.
He had to get a judge multiple times.
Eventually he just gave up and left the game.
yea, Northern has spoken on him a couple times. In a more recent vid he kinda slags him off and says it's such a bad look to leave the game.
Northern also consistently tells people to leave games when people behave that way, and says himself he would leave a game over something as benign as someone asking for his rules more than twice
lol.
I think you’re absolutely right North. Games of all kinds should end with both parties having fun. Sometimes I let others beat me- but I don’t let them know I “doctored” (without cheating/throwing rules) a close game. They’re happy- and that makes me happy
Stories like this are why Deathclock is the superior game time format.
If you try to stall, you just lose the game because you can only ran out of your own time.
It’s like MTG tournaments and pros - quite a few of them aren’t pros because of skill, but rather rampant favoritism and cheating. I don’t think I’d ever be able to handle the unfettered cringe this BRO exudes.
This is why all tournaments need a turn time limit.
Chess clock.
Reminds me of the nightmare i had that you read out on stream. My local store is near their club store and the team uses our 30 man rtt for "farming". They show up in 60% of the slots and the TO is a member of the same club.
I went back and listened to the episode that was in and have a bit of an update on it. With the way 9th was going attendance went down until it was pretty much just the team playing each other. Then when 10th hit people came back to try out the game again and see what changed. The first event they held for 10th I was told had 12 players from that team that showed up with eldar armies and smashed everyone off the tables. Now for this month they are again down to just playing themselves as they have run everyone else off.
This tourney story is the exact reason I don't play tournaments. People being dicks so they can win and ruining the game. I've only played a couple of small local tournaments and even that brought in people like this.
Is this about that guy who always wears like a football t shirt for his tournament team who had a shit fit at warhammer fest?
I think if they're gonna dress like they're playing a sport, we should make the hobby a contact one and we'll soon see how fast attitudes change😂
I can't honestly imagine taking yourself so seriously as to believe you're a big shot in a niche competitive scene that even the player base barely cares about that much, that's where it gets truly cringe - wearing team shirts if you're just having a laugh and not taking it that seriously just sounds like a bunch of lads enjoying themselves, nothing like the kinds of "professional Warhammer players" out there.
The fact that this guy not only thought himself a big shot, but also *_felt the need to cheat with his pre-nerfed overpowered army_* and then slow-play in order to prevent OP from getting a turn in the final minutes is just slimy - gamesmanship thrives where sportsmanship means nothing to people, folks will bend and break all the rules they can so long as they can get away with it and earn wins, and there's barely anything you can do to prevent it but just refuse to play with that person again until they play fair and respectfully.
I love it when North gets so irritated and angry just reading these :D Keep up the good work.
His pain is our pleasure, but we can feel that pain ourselves.
dissing Chaos !! arg! need to inform overlord Minwargaming Dave and his chaos
' ... you're playing with toy soldiers ...' - which I have never forgotten, seems others need reminding of that fact.
only meet one team in matching shirts. They were finns. They had the "special lion" from satwcomic as thier mascot. they used tournaments as an excuse to laugh and get drunk. Harmless as long as you weren't in the way to the bar or sauna.
Finnish to a tee then lol
I don't play 40 but I am interested in learning about it, as I have been into wargaming for many years. I looked at course about learning the rules offered by the company you mentioned several times. While I am sure they improve a player's performance on the table, I could see gamesmanship being promoted; "the art or practice of winning games by questionable expedients without actually violating the rules." Which is what this story was all about.
If that is what some people want to pay their money for, then that is up to them, but it is not for me. Team t-shirts and gamesmanship are bad news for everyone.
Keep up the good work and jeep promoting the better aspects of the hobby.
I am a Blood Bowl player and have been going to tournament for 10+ years.
I was in a gaming Club and use to wear a FootballTs to the tournaments, but never see this behavior.
Even with the time I played in other clubs and get other club Ts.
For me was very cool to see all the different gaming clubs and an excellet way to find your opponent during the games (every person has their Nick written)
May be Blood Bowl is different?
*(VANGUARD TACTICS **20:04**)* I find the Head 'Jersey' Guy @ VT to be quite *_Pompous_* & indeed *_Obnoxious_* (esp. when he started Flexing💪about being a "Pro Competitive BodyBuilder+ + = *_Nobody, save for your Mom, Cares Champ)_*
North switching the Demon Hunters because his Boltgun gameplay is to embarrassing.
You could put anything on the channel even like a comments reading video I would watch. Great work as usual! Thanks for the content.
“You’re just some guy who plays with toy soldiers.” …perfect!
Right now i'm playing Kill Team, Orkz (i know they suck but it's super fun).
Alot of gretchins and some rokkit nobs is way more fun then it should be.
I think it might be a cultural thing. Where I play in Texas most people with team shirts are great guys who don't take it too seriously and like wearing uniforms. I've had horrible games against people without uniforms or teams and great games against people with. The shirt doesn't change the person
Team T-shirts only make sense in a team tournament context when everyone in your group is playing toward a shared goal, and individual members are willing to sacrifice their own performance, draw a bad matchup, or otherwise "take one for the team". Team members are supposed to represent their team in the best way possible so as to make sure everyone at the event remembers their team is a good sport and a group you want to play with again. Otherwise, yeah, wearing a jersey comes off as taking the game way too seriously. As much as GW tries, competitive 40K is not an e-sport, nor is it high stakes poker. You can be try your best to win but still a good sport, and try to make sure your opponent has fun and can actually play the game.
The darts team shirts had me literally laughing out loud in hysterics 1st time i saw the video you mention following vanguard around
I 90% agree. I’ve seen a team wearing matching shirts but they were promoting a local homeless charity. Fun fair group
I kept hearing call sign: the polisher 😂
As a warmachine tournament player that went wearing team colours (ours wasn't the nylon ones thankfully and just had the local club we hang out on it SQUIGS.) I totally understand the stereotype though.
I’d love to see an episode of a compilation of little stories!
9:29 'Call sign'... I'm picturing The Inbetweeners Movie as they're on their way to a lads holiday.
I wear my state rep team shirt to events, I don't know if its different here in Australia, but my experiences have been the opposite.
Normally games against other "known players" have been very pleasant, very little rules disputes, playing on a clock so there's no feels bad moments on time.
I find my worst games are against "mid table bandits" regular 3-2 players who think they should be winning events.
Of course this is objective, but honesty so are the nightmares.
Love your work though, just a differing opinion on this,
Cheers.
Start a rival team of people in hoodies with silly little club logo's who have nothing but an individualistic approach and comradery; no team mentality or e-sports competitiveness.
It has potential as an esport with quick games etc BUT these sorts of stories where your opponents are actively cheating or the bending rules because they can get away with it I'd want to have refs or table cams to pick this stuff up so you can call them out on it.
It's the next stage up from the game we've all had when starting out against win at all cost players who want to punch down on newbies for an easy win. They've moved on to cheating to get their fix.
Saying that I'd still happily go to a tournament with a local mob in club shirts or patches and have a laugh with like minded people over a few games and beers afterwards.
My local shop has one of these "teams". They're all pretty cool and laid back though. There's at least 15 of them that I can think of but they'll laugh and joke with you while you play. Again cool group of guys and yes they have team jerseys. Their team is called "faffing about" EDIT: I've never seen a bad or k player. They're hilarious and can put a smile on your face from two tables away
I think there is a somewhat false dichotomy between competitive v. narrative players. And I also think it's perfectly natural for a maturing game system to have some growing pains as competitive play becomes more mainstream. Also shirts are fun. I've made them for things as silly as beer pong and softball so why not Warhammer? I'm sorry to hear stories about folks ruining them by associating a shirt with their bad behaviour.
In short, I think a growing competitive scenes brings more good things than bad things. It forces GW to make the game more balanced which makes for more fun in constructing fluffy lists-- because let's face it--we'd all play good AND fun lists if we can do both at the same time (even if most of us don't aim for perfect optimization like a top tourney players). The biggest thing wargaming needs to do is build a culture of sportsmanship. This will just take time and good TOs to develop, but I think it will happen and will hopefully permeate to better norms in the casual community as well.
North, I'd highly recommend checking out Rob the Honest Wargamer's vids about adding more narrative fun to tourney games and at least a part of his interview titled "5 New Friends: The Road of an LVO Age of Sigmar Champion" which talks a bit about developing a healthy competitive culture.
Why on gods green earth are tournaments not done with chess clocks? And maybe more importantly, why do people keep going to tournaments without chess clocks?
I think what needs to happen is that GW needs to spend the money they make on price hikes to hire better rules writers. These types of players are why you are quickly needing a law degree to play the game even in a casual setting.
if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say it was an American contribution to the hobby. Ofc we'll have them in the UK and EU now as well, but it does seem like the sort of thing that would have started in the States.
TBH I find Tournaments to be very off putting. I almost went to local Blood Bowl Tournie once (the main one for my area in the National scene, so it's a big event. I won't say where, as don't want to call him out) but got serious anxiety about it, and never turned up. Thing is I had been talking to the organizer, and had been to his house for a game before. By not turning up a I ruined my friendship with him, and on the two times I tried to email him to tell him about what happened, he just totally gaslit me, which I found weird to be honest (he never denied knowing me, just as soon as I mentioned who I was and why I was contacting him, he just wouldn't speak about it. was very strange)
Maybe I dodged a bullet, as I would never do that to someone.
It's 100% an NA thing. The much lower density of 40k players meant there was a tradition of driving to a FLGS for games rather than playing with friends. Since you were playing strangers it naturally became competitive and more adult-oriented. All the major tournaments are in NA and always have been. As the major growth of new 40k players is in NA I wonder what the future holds.
It'll never be an esport even players find battle reports boring as fuck
got myself a nice doner kebab and can enjoy the new video. great evening
😂😂 ditto
This episode makes me want to start the "Super Cool -E-Sport Team" and get shirts with C*ockmaster as a call name, my friend could be RuleC*nt....show up on these tournaments just to take the piss out of them...
What was this VT story? I cant find a video or info on what happened.
Sad to hesr about bad experiences... tournaments are probably my favorite way to play 40k.
"How can you tell?" Well, as someone who deals with small measurements (insert dick joke here), I can definitely tell when someone is trying to squeeze an inch on me.
I've been measuring signs and vehicle graphics for over 20 years now. It's easy to tell when you have daily professional practice. Just like I'm sure it's easy to tell for a guy who flies all over the world and plays tournaments.
i had a feeling nylon boy would win but i was so hoping the raven guard guy was goona win but of course it takes a good ol ork player to bring someone’s spirits up hehe
He should've called the TO when he was 5 mins into his obvs stalling tactics, not after the time was up.
The TO couldn't in good conscience really do anything else by the time they were called over
I agree with almost of all of your opinions north, and dont generally comment because i think ‘someone probably already said that’… but when it comes to team t shirts/ colours… I agree 100% now from experience, when 7/8 years ago I would have disagreed… and that is because of another niche hobby : airsoft (when im not painting toy soldiers, im pretending to be one 😂). But the ‘teams’ for airsoft went from being a group of friendly guys with same hobby, to competitive ‘professionals’ 🙄 .. who had to bitch/moan and at worst, cheat to win. They lost the basics and the general enjoyment. Was all about reputation and winning. Got to stage were their ‘patch’ (ID team marker), just drew people’s weariness, rather than respect
You really do represent my views brilliantly
I could make reaction vids but all I'd ever have to say is "totally agree "
Hi North, not a "commenter", but sometimes I go down to write some. I'm a Fantasy "player" (=more painter) with the sqare bases in my heart, but even if you focus on 40K and collateral realities I can relate and really enjoy much of your content. As this issue of "Team shir(/t)ty players came up I already had a clear image in my mind, as such attitude is quite "human" in the worst of ways, talking of the bad ones. I was lucky enough never to be confronted by such, but I get the point. As you said You were going to do a focused video about the thing I thought I might unveil that image in my mind as it portraits it perfectly so to sat "in nerd lore", and I'm talking about the "Legacy Team" in the third movie of "Gamers: Hands of Fate", still here on RUclips, quite worth the watch, even as it deals with a fictive card game some D&D and conventions, the dynamic of such a team speaks books, and may be of further inspiration and maybe a suiting metaphor. I know you might not have the time but nonetheless it might still be an entertaining suggestion for when you have some. Hearing of you through the channel soon, be well, you and your relatives. Thank you.
Sometimes I think games workshop encourages this type of behaviour back when I started. It was all about the spirit of the game now it’s meta watch .
The plural of codex is codices.
I can't stand the team shirts, If I click on a youtube video and see one I click off.
Same. That or "This video is sponsored by Raid: Shadow Legends" and I'm out.
If organizers call The last turn and you have 50 minutes, this 15 minutes per phase bullshit should be dropped and they should be split evenly 25 minutes per player for entire turns. I AM no expert of The game but i dare to assume there aren't many models left at turn 5 in average gamę.
Some of this may be a bit of observation bias. Someone behaving poorly while wearing a team logo stands out more and is easier to remember.
11:46 this reminds me of the arby n the Chief episode where the chief plays against a “mlg” halo player.
For reference:
ruclips.net/video/lh0H_tSpoC4/видео.html
Teams are meant for 5v5 and 8v8s.
Please watch Happy Krumpin Wargaming’s video on actual Team Tournaments.
re slow play: After the guy has taken 25m on a single turn and only halfway through why not call over a TO then? Let them see him time wasting
If you're wearing a team shirt, I'm looking at you as someone who respects the community, is respected by the community and someone who upholds the rules and spirit of the game.
If you don't do these things, I will do what it takes to trash your team until it is disbanded and the entire team scene is heavily regulated. 👌
Honestly if you are making a full time income from competing then these behaviours, while still unpleasant, become at least understandable.
What makes it cringe is acting like this for relatively low stakes. Imagine being this dude. Around you there are tables of people having a laugh and rolling some dice for a top prize that's- say- £100 worth of hobby product while you act like this.
When you see these people you shouldn't feel intimidated, you should laugh at them.
Abaddon rant this Thursday! 😂
I have had more cheats and WAAC players in "Friendly" games than at tournaments.
At tournaments you know what u are going to get . As for team shirts. Good 9n them . Let them enjoy thier hobby thier way
Howdy North, hey did hear about the new DLC, for Chaosgate yet?
Yeah, the tournaments/teams are way off the mark. I’ve played plenty of tournaments and everyone I’ve played with a Jersey on has been great. I can speak at length on this but overall in 9th edition the tournament scene has exploded and the amount of people playing from the beginning to the end of 9th was staggering.
It’s a shame that a team jersey with a fun call name could have been a great addition to make something fun in a tongue in cheek way. This “punisher” was just a bad person
I am team big bollock 😂
The video where Steve picked up his models and left was because his opponent was repeatedly cheating in his game. I woulda scooped too honestly. It’s a waste of time.
I think the issue that happened in the video isn’t that he scooped, it’s that cheating is so prevalent that it came up in the one time he’s being filmed.
Northern would have scooped too, he says it nearly every vid about leaving games when cheaters are that bad. He even said recently he would pick up his models and walk if a person asked him for his army rules more than twice in a game lmao
@@sandycultofthesun Yea North is EXTREMELY hypocritical when it comes to Steve Box.
I would guess the team shirt comes from a place of never having been selected for any team every before. There are a alot of guys in the hobby because the trauma of never belonging to any group. Then all of the sudden they get on a team even if the team is just wearing a shirt. That team would mean alot to that individual.
These team shirt wearers are going to become the new Daves of the channel I just know it.
Though I 100% get your points, I disagree around the whole "its not a sport you're playing with toy soldiers" yeah, it shouldn't be taken as seriously as he did, but you could make the same arguments against football as "you're just kicking a ball around" or boxing as just "practiced punching" but I agree team colours, a little bit cringe
Except boxing and football are athletic sports that combine physical practise within a fixed set of rules not limited by anything other than your own ability. As opposed to 40k being a highly imbalanced game that changes every few months and can come down to a handful of dice rolls... nothing wrong with taking a game seriously but it can't ever be as competitive as an actual sport.
@Grintendo I don't belive random nature gives something less credibility as a "sport" ( I'm using that term not as a specifically physical based activity but as a general term) frankly being able to deal with rng is a strong skill factor in who wins matches, unchanging rules again is something that although taken to an extreme comparably when looking at something like football or boxing but rules change in either over time, just MUCH slower and finally there is a level of imbalance in sport 100% weight and gender categories are there to compensate for that, but even with those counted some people are born with natural advantages that although can't purely take them to the top levels do help in this aspect, do you think someone born 5ft4 and skinny can ever compete with top weightlifter, yeah, sure but not to the top level. Both have skill sets that are important but one isn't inherently less due to different parameters of judgement
@@ImperiumofRat in the case of the 5'4 lifter, they can absolutely compete at weightlifting. That's why it has weight categories which are effectively height categories. Name a top sport with any RNG? There is none. Not to mentioned like e sports it lacks the physical element of sport which makes it both impressive to watch and healthy to play. Maybe you are equally as impressed but do you think tennis would be watched as much if you had to roll a dice to see how many serves you got? I could go on but this is a RUclips comment :)
@Grintendo okay, tbf yeah, the height thing is a fair point, the healthy to play I feel is irrelevant to its legitimacy but its still a good trait to have, and impressive to watch is down to subjective opinion, the rng aspect is not true, it's just MUCH less important, how much rng means it is not valid? Only indoor sports to weather doesn't effect it? What is so great about esports and other similar systems is that everyone could do it, like chess (which has even less rng than most if not all sports).
Finally not an argument but what's your opinion on sports like F1 and the like?
I sometimes HATE aspects of the tournament scene. Like half the players "count points" for future turns they don't have time for, half don't. Never been to a tournament where it's consistent AND rules respected
And while I'm not a fan of the chess clocks, I get it
I think it’s specifically to punish or diminish slow players.
@@ravenRedwake it's a mixed bag. It adds stress and isn't fun if you're actually a slow player. Completely valid. BUT
1. It's not fair to a player who isn't slow to not be able to get a full games worth of points
2. Some people (I've run into them) deliberately play slow to run out the clock when their losing
It's a nessesary evil
I started running a chess clock for this reason. Then all of a sudden the notoriously slow gamers became speed demons by comparison.
The talking it out thing is just cringe when it starts happening on turn 3 with an hour still left on the clock. Especially at large event semi finals and top table for the championship.
Honestly, Ork players are the lifeblood of the hobby.
Next time bring a video camera ! ! !
Tournament players are like means tester to weed out the scummy tactics, I heard a recent 10th tournament people used certain factories to re use abilities 3 times in one turn to give them a massive advantage, To me that just sounds like being a peen for a W but if that is peoples idea of fun all the power to them I guess.
dude what game is this? it looks fun
40k is not league of legends
Ork Waagh iz da best game
Idk, as a tournament player for different games (warhachine/hordes and warcaster, the ACTUAL "sweaty" competitve games) this mainly comes off as North not liking how other people enjoy the hobby and biasing his opinion purely through the negativity of his nightmare submissions.
Speaking of Vanguard Tactics, I think the positive image they've tried to cultivate is a steaming pile of BS. Stephen Box is a colossal douche IMO. When rules were rolling out a few weeks ago, he made some post on a Death Guard facebook group where he admitted he didn't actually PLAY Death Guard, but people were wrong to be so negative. He said if people "really loved" Death Guard, they'd look at the army "like a toolbox" and find ways to win. He bragged about having won with "underdog" armies in the past, but obviously stopped short of offering to prove us all wrong by playing the army in a competitive setting.
Needless to say, we were all really appreciative of him telling us to just git gud, regardless of how bad our rules are. He didn't know why we were upset, but reminded us we shouldn't have been upset. I'm still waiting to see him put his money where his mouth is and take DG to tournaments to prove us all wrong. I imagine I'll be waiting right up until Death Guard get an OP release in a couple of years.
How is the positivity 'BS' when your story confirms him trying to find a positive spin of playing an army even when it's bottom teir?
@@Grintendo Thinly-veiled toxic positivity. The guy admits he doesn’t even know why people are mad and doesn’t even play the army, but quite literally suggests “don’t be mad” and “git gud” as solutions.
@@Josco83I just read his actual post and found it very different to your interpretation. He doesn't even say DG are strong or good, but to move away from constant negativity and gives a few positive perspectives. DG will be buffed soon so I wouldn't worry about it man.
@@Grintendo I can tell you as a DG player, the main complaint people are leveling at the rules are that they don’t FEEL like DG, are not fun, and finally are not competitive. His opening line is, “I’ll admit I don’t actively play Deathguard.” Then he says, “If you love Deathguard like [name] and [name] you will look at the book like a tool box. If you don’t love Deathguard then you’ll probably be looking at every other book and comparing.”
The guy legit jumped into a group for an army he doesn’t play, bragged about how he “makes it [his] ambition to play non-meta armies,” and how he’s “proven fine and again it can be done,” and then straight gave us the “you’re not a real fan”lecture. You’ll notice he never gave an actual piece of constructive advice, he just chastised the community. If that’s not a douchebag move, I don’t know what is.
@@Josco83 we will agree to disagree. You take a few quotes and then go on a tangent with an interpretation that I don't see at all. Just my 2 cents.
itll b a disaster if the game is given over the the nylon boys,it looks like gw will as the head lord of nylon tees is in white dwarf this month and hes doing the yotube rounds now not to b insensitive but indid laugh at his mwg interview yes im avgot hehe,his channels a snore fest that i find patronising ,its his business and not a hobby anymore and that’s the point whete its not fun anymore
A bit rich that you complain about Stephen box for walking g away from a game where someone was always cheating when you yourself always say " I would have packed up my models and left straight away"
I'm in no way shape or form a vanguard tactics fan boy.
Imo North youre just too sensitive, in a TOURNAMENT its pretty acceptable to be competitive, have teams, tactics, etc etc, you seem to really dislike competition and what comes with it, playing in a FLGS, or local GW or friends Basements be as fun and light hearted as you want, BUT in a TOURNAMENT where EVERY INCH is scrutinized and have refs and rules and is a COMPETITION then be as strategic, competitive, and cutthroat as you can.. in any other competitive sport its EXPECTED to act and think this way, be casual in a casual setting and nut the fuck up and be serious and competitive when youre playing in a competitive setting.. its not that hard, ive seen too many snowflakes giving wishy washy rules about "how competitive" ppl can be in a Bolt Action TOURNAMENT, and it just confuses ppl with half thinking they need to be serious and bring their A-Game, and the other half thinking theyll sing "Koombaya"..
Except this story sounds like a chess clock could have fixed the problem altogether.
Ultimately 40K is not a sport. It's an ever-changing game of unbalanced armies and rolling dice...its a very fun game, don't misunderstand me but treating it like you're Christiano ronaldo because you forked out for some broken list you'll no doubt sell on ebay in a few months, is just bizarre.
What is it about Warhammer that produces these people? I’ve never had a problem in the competitive Kings of War scene.