i get behind the top lane and nami lucian thing but the adc part is really bizarre to me "adc's are funnelled the most gold" isn't neglecting control wards part of the funnel? making your adc buy a control ward is basically the same as having your support take 75g worth of farm, except your support is usually going to be the one roaming and in position to place wards better or am i missing something?
His point in bringing up Nami lucian is that supports (or at least enchanters) getting to their first item is way more important than adcs having components (not full item cause enchanter items are way cheaper) so adc should get the control wards. Your point about supports basically stealing 75g of farm from the adc when adc buys a control ward is exactly LSs point with bringing up nami. Supports SHOULD take that farm if theyre gonna stunt their build with control wards. At least thats how i interpret this clip
gold on enchanters is much more valuable to the adc because of the stat multiplication these items provide for them, you would love to run e.g. Sona in Toplane and have her be super farmed for midgame...but u cant cause Riot nerfed the fuck out of solo laning most enchanters, so u want to funnel gold to them optimally, but its hard to do. Enter supports that buy 15 pink wards per game spending 1k gold on that and dont have Redemption/Dawncore etc. Dont rly agree on engage supports unless they rush Locket/Redemption, dunno why a team would want that Warmogs powerspike on a leona earlier, its w/e
@@PlaytheListDude nah Knights Vow and Locket is the early combo for engage supports. knights vow is busted. there's a reason they're wanting to up the cost on it by a lot lol
As someone who has been saying the same thing for a while, the reason you don’t want the support to buy controll wards, is they already have almost no Econ. Legendary items on support still have a lot of power in their completion. Also, this is not about ADCs buying 5 gazilion controll wards, but more like 1 or 2 every 5 minutes. I also think that it doesn’t always have to be the adc either. Sometimes before a teamfight on baron or dragon, having pinks on anyone can be nice. I think ivern bushes become so much more impenetrable, when you have pinkwards in them.
I mean, you generally funnel gold to get to certain item spikes. If you as the adc player notice that you are gonna overshoot your spike for the next important fight, it might make a lot of sense to use that "excess" gold on control wards. And they are probably the class that is most likely to have excess gold. Thats my interpretation at least.
"it's literally 75g" except when pros are buying 2 pinks every recall for 8 recalls. now that 75g turns into 1200g and you are sitting on just components for your redemption at 20 minutes while the enemy support is half way to their second item.
@@biveofhalo yea thats obvious, but a challenger player should know, when to use pinks and when the information is more crucial than 75 or 150 gold you can also argue, ok, if you sweap atleast 2 wards, it should compensate for the information you get You cant always compare quanitity values to each other
@@jubii4516 we dont really need pinks until soul and elder, so the information that can easily be deduced is negative value sweeping is unrelated to intentionally losing gold for item spikes doesnt matter what rank they are, but in your example, pros are above challenger yet pros can be wrong, which means challenger and below can be wrong, HOW ABOUT 2 time world champion Beryl ruclips.net/video/7gJaQX_8BII/видео.html
@@jubii4516 ruclips.net/video/SuaCTLkVE2E/видео.htmlsi=nRmIswPczhcmilZK I don't think it's AS bad as this anymore. But especially in LCK it's still really bad.
@@spamonfire1472 If you're countered and you buy a pink you spend 75g to give your opponent 30g. You should only buy them to deny vision when you're winning, so the enemy is perma worried about ganks. You can't defend your pink if you're countered, so it just dies. I wouldn't even buy Control Wards when winning though, you can get more than enough info on the enemy Jungle through good Jungle tracking and deductive reasoning.
Yeah this one is pretty nonsense to me. Like the difference between Steraks and Steraks components is rediculous. Like I would understand if the argument was top laners tend to be functional on 2 items whereas Mid and ADC really prefer 3 items, but if ADC is the other role he thinks should by control wards then this argument still wouldn't apply. Jungle and Support tend to only need 1 item to be functional and roam around the map the most, so it makes sense to me if they are the ones buying control wards, which seems to be the prevailing theory.
i get behind the top lane and nami lucian thing
but the adc part is really bizarre to me
"adc's are funnelled the most gold" isn't neglecting control wards part of the funnel? making your adc buy a control ward is basically the same as having your support take 75g worth of farm, except your support is usually going to be the one roaming and in position to place wards better or am i missing something?
His point in bringing up Nami lucian is that supports (or at least enchanters) getting to their first item is way more important than adcs having components (not full item cause enchanter items are way cheaper) so adc should get the control wards. Your point about supports basically stealing 75g of farm from the adc when adc buys a control ward is exactly LSs point with bringing up nami. Supports SHOULD take that farm if theyre gonna stunt their build with control wards. At least thats how i interpret this clip
gold on enchanters is much more valuable to the adc because of the stat multiplication these items provide for them, you would love to run e.g. Sona in Toplane and have her be super farmed for midgame...but u cant cause Riot nerfed the fuck out of solo laning most enchanters, so u want to funnel gold to them optimally, but its hard to do. Enter supports that buy 15 pink wards per game spending 1k gold on that and dont have Redemption/Dawncore etc.
Dont rly agree on engage supports unless they rush Locket/Redemption, dunno why a team would want that Warmogs powerspike on a leona earlier, its w/e
@@PlaytheListDude nah Knights Vow and Locket is the early combo for engage supports. knights vow is busted. there's a reason they're wanting to up the cost on it by a lot lol
As someone who has been saying the same thing for a while, the reason you don’t want the support to buy controll wards, is they already have almost no Econ. Legendary items on support still have a lot of power in their completion.
Also, this is not about ADCs buying 5 gazilion controll wards, but more like 1 or 2 every 5 minutes. I also think that it doesn’t always have to be the adc either. Sometimes before a teamfight on baron or dragon, having pinks on anyone can be nice. I think ivern bushes become so much more impenetrable, when you have pinkwards in them.
I mean, you generally funnel gold to get to certain item spikes. If you as the adc player notice that you are gonna overshoot your spike for the next important fight, it might make a lot of sense to use that "excess" gold on control wards. And they are probably the class that is most likely to have excess gold. Thats my interpretation at least.
100% ADC. Its natural for them to place pinks in the mid river brushes, during the mid game.
Hot take but wtf is he talking about - which top lane item is just the sum of it's components - stridebreaker?
Probably tank items. Like Sunfire or thornmail completion is not that big of a deal compared to like a liandries completion.
Name a bruiser whose component is effectively the item? Black Cleaver/Triforce/Sundered Sky/Stridebreaker, are the components effectively the item?
Your constantly roaming as sup and jg though. Bad take
Ls is just a hardstuck diamond yapping
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Everyone should by pinks. Its not a question about income. Its literally 75g😂
c9 winsome almost never got moonstone cuz he bought 150g each base, with no value from the pinks
"it's literally 75g" except when pros are buying 2 pinks every recall for 8 recalls. now that 75g turns into 1200g and you are sitting on just components for your redemption at 20 minutes while the enemy support is half way to their second item.
@@biveofhalo yea thats obvious, but a challenger player should know, when to use pinks and when the information is more crucial than 75 or 150 gold
you can also argue, ok, if you sweap atleast 2 wards, it should compensate for the information you get
You cant always compare quanitity values to each other
@@jubii4516 we dont really need pinks until soul and elder, so the information that can easily be deduced is negative value
sweeping is unrelated to intentionally losing gold for item spikes
doesnt matter what rank they are, but in your example, pros are above challenger yet pros can be wrong, which means challenger and below can be wrong, HOW ABOUT 2 time world champion Beryl ruclips.net/video/7gJaQX_8BII/видео.html
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I don't think it's AS bad as this anymore. But especially in LCK it's still really bad.
AINTNOWAY he said toplane components are their items. Warhammer, Tunneler, and Hearth bound axe are all ABYSMALLY bad.
Toplane is just whoever gets countermatchup anyways, if you're already countered you might as well buy a pink i guess
@@spamonfire1472 If you're countered and you buy a pink you spend 75g to give your opponent 30g. You should only buy them to deny vision when you're winning, so the enemy is perma worried about ganks.
You can't defend your pink if you're countered, so it just dies.
I wouldn't even buy Control Wards when winning though, you can get more than enough info on the enemy Jungle through good Jungle tracking and deductive reasoning.
Yeah this one is pretty nonsense to me. Like the difference between Steraks and Steraks components is rediculous. Like I would understand if the argument was top laners tend to be functional on 2 items whereas Mid and ADC really prefer 3 items, but if ADC is the other role he thinks should by control wards then this argument still wouldn't apply. Jungle and Support tend to only need 1 item to be functional and roam around the map the most, so it makes sense to me if they are the ones buying control wards, which seems to be the prevailing theory.