You're right, but solo queue and competitive play are two completely different environments. Just look at Agurin; he hasn’t won any EU titles, but he’s rank 1 and 2. He’s clearly doing something better than players with titles, because solo queue and competitive are not the same.
@@kirantoowo93 i bet a bunch of pro players could outclimb agurin if they really wanted to. But they are probs more focused on scrims, expanding champ pool, and maintaining a healthy schedule, rather than just perma grinding solo q
@@bence3676 Razork for example. Everytime hes on holidays he streams "reaching rank 1" and he just does it like nothing. Hes said it multiple times: Agurin is always rank 1 because pro players dont have the time to climb
@@bitze865 And imagine being in a team with him and having to listen to this multiple times a day during scrims. He probably even starts annoying everyone about something in scrims five hours aftterwards, when he meets someone getting a waterbottle.
I would not mind, I mean, they are professionals, they are paid to play that game, he is giving feedback and analyzing what went wrong. Why other pro would be offended by that? I will never understand people that don't like the way a message is delivered disregarding everything else. What they all are doing there , what is ahead, why he is talking, that is the important part. "Bu hu I don't like how that awful man is talking to me, i don't hear it" is just stupid.
Im ngl if i had bwipo on my team id take it as a blessing man is filling my ears with knowledge. Idk i like how smart he is about the game, jist respectable
Bwipo channeling his best Reginald impression during this "vod" review. He's too pissed to actually listen to the people he's talking to. If he's this emotional, he needs to sort himself out first before trying to coach anybody.
"I don't even know why we are having a conversation about this" *continues to force a conversation that either they agree with or didn't start in the first place* Bwipo just needs to take a breath and realize that these games are not that deep
@@agentcodybanx8909 Well I mean CQ is meant for pros to get better quality games than solo q. So if the games are not being taken serious then I'll see where Bwipo is coming from.
The saddest thing about this whole situation is Hyli confiding in Bwipo when he's frustrated and vulnerable, only for his "friend" to turn around and air it to as many people as humanly possible just to stoke his own ego.
Absolutely. You can see he's played with insufferable teammates before. and if you know Jankos, he's holding back a lot here because he can see the bigger picture.
They where just saying the same thing at the end. Bwipo just kept yapping and got mad because jankos food was more important to him than bwipos yapping. Thats absolutely hilarious
Imagine being the most successful Western Jungler in history, and having to listen to a guy that got autofilled for one split tell you how to do your job
again hes always done this lol. like why do yall just choose what to remember to fit a narrative. league fans always so this its so cringe. yall have alzhimers at very convient times. its impressive
Sadly he is in the top 3-5 toplaner in the west. Name me 3 that are better then him? Its Impact>>>Brokenblade and ??? The important point is he is in there not because he is that good its because the west is crap besides Caps especially in toplane and botlane.
@@thefirstk6331 my honest opinion is that if u can't guarantee that bwipo gets renekton every game, you could swap Jankos to that role with similar results
@@Blastizor he wasnt and u know it. Wunder was shitting on him 24/7. Also he was gettin dogwalked in Na until this year where he played solid and thats it nothing more nothing less. He is going to get booty blasted at worlds and it will be hilarious. Not to mention dude is getting solo killed EVERY SINGLE GAME multiple times and is complaining how everyone is awful at the game. Hilarious actually.
@@GuyPearce217 Wunder used to get shit on by Bwipo wtf are u talking about, Wunder just had the better team. And Wunder has been shit for like 4 years now, pls stop the cap. No he didn't get dog walked in NA, it's a completely different environment he's placed in compared to EU, so he was ramping up, he was still one of the best too, and now he's won the split, even his Renekton is the best.
@@Blastizor bahahahhahaahahhaha “ramping up” BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Bwipo is getting molested 24/7 watch the streams dude is getting solo killed like 3-4 times each game and is saying how bad everyone is. He is going to get molested at worlds by everyone. He isnt even top 3 top laners in west let alone anywhere near in the whole world. Is this Bwipo burner account or sth?
@@Blastizorwhat is going on xD Wunder was way better. Bwipo was a coin flip. He could solo lose a game in 5 minutes. He probably has better highlights but that doesn't mean he was better. Wunder outperformed him many times, I will never forget the reserve sweep in 2019 with Wunder's Kled. Besides that, what made Wunder better was his versatility. He could play Akali, Irelia and Ryze at a very high level. Bwipo pool was predictable and he couldn't play those kind of champs making flex almost impossible for fnatic.
This guy sounds like one of those junior devs in a tech company when they figure out something that the senior devs have been doing for 2 decades and now the junior is explaining to the senior how things work.
He comes across as someone that feels he is always right and wants to establish that by explaining what others do wrong to the point it gets demoralising.
I had a chuckle when DL said: "leaking this stuff to 10k viewers is so immature." This is why I watch DL. He's always so responsible with sensitve information. EDIT: This was a reddit comment DL was reading out. I had the video on audio only, and it just sounded like something DL would say. My mistake. DL occasionally speaks before thinking, but I would say DL's own take was pretty reasonable, and I spoke before thinking here.
@@lelouchdagoat4477 DL has been sued by TSM back in 2021 / 22 for releasing confidential team information on stream iirc, but it's a bit of a rabbit hole so delve at your own risk?
@@lar487win lcs title u get to shit talk the teams in NA. U wanna shit on lck/lpl/lec u gotta win MSI or worlds. Shitting on players u didn’t beat makes no sense.
@@lar487 Winning NA LCS. MDK and KC would most likely win LCS, lol. And he played NA Challenger. NA Challenger is literally worse than EUW Diamond 1. He gets shit on every single game. Without exception. And still has this ego.
@@ObsidiaBeastsaying MDK and KC would win lcs is some MAJOR level coping please let me know why your parents are brother and sister, KC came to EU and became the ugliest and worst team ever in EU
Because he was good, 6 years ago and would say whacky stuff on stream sometimes. I never liked him either, but at least he could back up his ego to some extent back then.
@@bobysmith5662 Mhm intersting comment. Kicked out of teams for what? he's not toxic, does not int, cares about the game (passionate). Surley you know how it is to be a pro player xDDDDD
It feels like Bwipo's concern isnt only about the gameplay improvements. Cuz even when Jankos agreed he didnt move on. It feels like he wanted Jankos and the others to understand and admit that he is a smarter/ superior player than them or something. He is more focused on being right than actual progress in the conversation/ gameplay improvement. Atleast that's what he comes off as. Just feels like hes being defensive when he doesnt need to be, cuz he's making some good points. If he could change his tone and wording and build off of what Jankos is saying instead of clinging onto his own points the conversation would grow instead of being stagnant. These all could be an anxiety related issue, tho, who knows. But i can tell he means well and that he cares a lot about the game. I wish him good luck 👍
@@12mulesandy ye they can take criticism when talking to human beings. not someone that wants to perma insult and flame when he couldve easily said the same thing in a calmer way. ego tripping be hitting hard after winning an Na game thanks to minions xd
Well they didn't have a good argument against him. Its more like bwipo was showing too much "coaching other pro players" which is info he should keep to himself, the others are bad let them keep being bad.
Jankos summed bwipo up really good, instead of him going to scrim he was rambling on his stream about random champions q game. If he truly cared about improvement he would've cared more about scrims no?
"Its not just what you say, its how you say it." Speak directly. When you start every sentence with "I dont know why we are..." you've already failed at communicating your point cuz that just sounds passive aggressive even if ur point is right. I hear a lot about EU being honest, but thats not honest - just say your point instead of the passive aggressive "i dont know why we" crap. You're trying to be nice to your teammate by not being directly blunt, but it just comes off as condescending, elitist, and passive aggressive. Okay bye 👋🏾
Bwipo just salty because he couldn't beat G2. I hope FlyQuest gets bodied at worlds by everyone. I'll cheer for any western team except for Flyquest. Obviously always favoring EU more than NA for me.
? G2 and fly quest or any lcs team are not the same caliber of team. It's not even a debate anywhere else but in na. No one even thinks abt lcs teams in worlds outside of na lol
on the point of reviewing the games on stream, bwipo had said on the dive that he's glad to help anyone that asks, especially western teams about expanding their knowledge of the game because at the end of the day, raising the level of play for everyone pays forward.
Everyone else is just having a casual time doing IN-HOUSES, that aren't even just pro players. It's anyone who is qualified to play in these customs. Bwipo is treating every game like Game 5 Worlds Finals - Others are just chilling. They want to relax, play some league, test some shit, vibe, and Bwipo is making it so difficult.
When i watched pro league more back in the day i hated bwipo for taking spot from Soaz, than i saw how fearlessly and innovatively he played the game i really grew to love him. It is sad to see him become so bitter, did not used to be this bad.
@@marusis4453 its okay being a bit.. spicy or ''flamey'' if its done in a fun way. Wunder does it best imo, he also flames and laughs about himself. And most importantly he would never be like that because thats just straight up unprofessional.
@@FrameWinnerTennis and? All Pro REALLY does not mean much at the end of the day 😭 especially in the LCS. Bwipo is def top 5, but to say he’s one of if not the best is an insane take. great player? yeah. great enough to shit all over other players? nope
When you're talking to a friend you just need to vent out, you don't need to call out in public, if your want to talk with it, talk to it privately. what a jerk. Hyli will be hate by the fans because of Bwipo.
Jankos has always been boosted. We even made a drinking game of him failing the engage and dying. Worlds were the best, we were taking bets on him being the first person to die every game. Especially love one game where he on Lee Sin managed to miss every Q on champs (it was around 15-20 attempts). Guy is a legend. But yeah, Bwipo should try to keep it cool on stream.
How is the worst guy on his team by a long shot even talking about declining skill and boosted lmfao???? Everytime I see bwipoo play he is always feeding every single pro game
"No I agree with you, but you're the biggest clot in all of LEC and its a marvel you are still playing league at your 30 years of age you developmentally challenged infant." "Ok Bwipo it's fine, I agree with you, can we go next?" "Yeah but I'm saying..." continues simmering just under full tilt as he remembers Jensen in his dreams
When listening to them discuss that moment of 'staying too long', it sounds like Jankos respects Bwipo and his opinion but Bwipo comes off sounding like that respect isn't mutual. Bwipo's EGO is what makes this into an issue and as soon as Jankos agreed, the discussion should've ended.
Even if you disagree with his analysis, I think it’s good for English speaking regions to share knowledge like this with the pros and viewers to help everyone get better or think about the game in different ways. Keeping all your info locked inside your own team is another reason why the west has sucked. The Korean teams are known to share info with other teams about the game/opponents especially at international events and it should be the same for us too
Re: vod review question DL asked about 'advantages'. Bwipo has said he wants to improve and fix EU. I also think EU culture is more about brutal honesty. Bwipo also has a huge ego undeniably.
Bwipo is cooked in the brain, He also said he was the reason why wunder was even good xD Bwipo one of the toplaners that has the worst worlds stats in the world xD
@@zSwS And we are talking about the same guy who throws hate on Mad Lions Koi just because they're a spanish team right? That understanding and reasearch you're talking about is here with us? Lmao xd
Bwipo wins a single split and thinks he can start talking down to all Western players. And he didn't even win it in a "legitimate" way. He completely threw the game by diving TL nexus turrets and getting deleted, and then diving into 5 without his team the very next fight and getting one shot. FLY completely threw game 4 against TL. They lost that game. HE lost that game. The minions just bailed him out. And yet he still lets it inflate his ego this much??? Cmon man
I've seen some similar behavior come out it high stress situations. He is likely analysing his own and his teammates play in a similar manner, and it will cause burnout out some point. Hopefully after worlds, or it will be a rough set of games.
All of you are missing the point. Bwipo isn't doing this out of the passion to help the LEC be a better region. Bwipo is playing 4D chess trying to tilt the fuck out of his competition. FLY Winless Swiss lock it in
in my long life i have learnt most peoples passive-aggressive behaviour and condescending tones have little to do with the me/petty situation at hand. More so the stress overload of an overworked, or fatiguesd person. Generally found at this job, case in point-video above. NO real suprises and here, the community is always fishing for workforce drama cos most of them dont work and need gossip to stimualte their boring lives, or took fandom too seriously, its still a game. GL on the rift all.
Bwipo is the reason I haven't watched any LCS content since Flyquest won a few weeks ago. He's so in love with himself and the sound of his own voice. I don't think their game review is meant to be anything other than an opportunity for Bwipo to condescend and talk over other people. Jankos is trying to hard to get him to stop arguing and talking over them but Bwipo is too wrapped up in himself to care.
yea i think bwipo is going through something but like how is he soo passive aggressive all the time. Will go to worlds and lose before playoffs like always
hikaru is very much pro in chess and does go into his thought process in great detail. There are some pros to do that also, see what other people think about what you think etc.
Hot Take; I think LEC/LCS are so far behind Macro, Micro.. everything, to LCK / LPL that when going into these International Tournamentsa they need to be sharing every piece of advise possible and trying to be the best they can be going into these tournaments. Obviously we don't know what the LPL / LCK scrims really look like, but I'm going to guess they are more constructive in team to team gameplay than what we''re seeing from Champions Queue.
i dont really understand why you would do vod review after a pick up "scrim" with players from other teams. like how many games are you going to play with this random assortment of other pro players? so weird
I used to frickin love bwipo, he was the funnies dude in the league (LEC) at the time. Always making funny faces/jokes etc. And he was a good player on top of that aswell. And to see him leave EU for NA was obv very sad cuz that prity much means early retirement. And now this? Thought he was better than this.
I’m surprised more people aren’t connecting this conversation style and general behavior to tarzaned? He’s just picking arbitrary points and digging in on it and insisting he is correct without any attempt to listen. And then he just randomly jumps into another nothing burger tangent.
I watched the whole stream last night honesty shit was right he said a lot of insightful shit about of lot of good people players with great ethic and without
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Imagine to win like 6-7 eu titles, win MSI and couple of MVPs to be coached by Bwipo on how to jungle.
You're right, but solo queue and competitive play are two completely different environments. Just look at Agurin; he hasn’t won any EU titles, but he’s rank 1 and 2. He’s clearly doing something better than players with titles, because solo queue and competitive are not the same.
@@kirantoowo93 i bet a bunch of pro players could outclimb agurin if they really wanted to. But they are probs more focused on scrims, expanding champ pool, and maintaining a healthy schedule, rather than just perma grinding solo q
@@sollly1028yea all g2 members are around 1500 lp chall they probably could so it. Idk about other teams
@@kirantoowo93 Naaah man its Bgurin in 1st and this loser Agurin only 2nd. :P
@@bence3676 Razork for example. Everytime hes on holidays he streams "reaching rank 1" and he just does it like nothing. Hes said it multiple times: Agurin is always rank 1 because pro players dont have the time to climb
jankos won more in 1 year than bwipo in his whole career
Jankos: I already agreed with you
Bwipo: Yeah, but all I'm saying is...*proceeds to ramble on and on...
He’s autistic
Basically the entirety of this. bwipo likes the sound of his own voice too much to ever listen to anyone else.
ngl bwipo sounds insufferable with how he relays advice or viewpoints. his tone consistently sounded condescending, even when they were AGREEING.
imagine how he is if you are actually disagreeing 🤣
@@bitze865 And imagine being in a team with him and having to listen to this multiple times a day during scrims.
He probably even starts annoying everyone about something in scrims five hours aftterwards, when he meets someone getting a waterbottle.
bwipo is going for the reginald transformation 😂
I would not mind, I mean, they are professionals, they are paid to play that game, he is giving feedback and analyzing what went wrong. Why other pro would be offended by that? I will never understand people that don't like the way a message is delivered disregarding everything else. What they all are doing there , what is ahead, why he is talking, that is the important part. "Bu hu I don't like how that awful man is talking to me, i don't hear it" is just stupid.
Im ngl if i had bwipo on my team id take it as a blessing man is filling my ears with knowledge. Idk i like how smart he is about the game, jist respectable
Man won 1 NA split and thinks he's Johnny Big Bollocks
He's a great player imo.
@@6foot8jesuspilledpureblood82just not great enough to unprofessionally shit in other players
@@6foot8jesuspilledpureblood82 how is he a great player with no worlds win? stop hyping these third rates
@bdakingkillua I'm actually a bwipo hater but to say he's not great JUST because he hasn't won worlds is dumb af
He is a good player. Less good communicator. Very bad at pursuing what he truly wants (help the region)
"Why would he hated Wunder and Jankos?"
Because maybe they cockblocked him from LEC titles so many times 😂😂😂
He doesn't hate wunder or jankos, redditors are mentally ill
And talked shit (mostly Wunder and Perkz) constantly and beating him hahaha
@@360DVD well trashtalk is what makes this sport interesting, if everyone was goody two shoes, no one would watch
@@isaac15752 youre preaching to the choir. Read my comment again
@@isaac15752 trashtalking and being a straight up asshole are two different things
Bwipo channeling his best Reginald impression during this "vod" review. He's too pissed to actually listen to the people he's talking to. If he's this emotional, he needs to sort himself out first before trying to coach anybody.
He's a great coach
@@FrameWinnerTennis you mean absolute hot garbage
@@eVill420 I mean he's a great coach. he posts vods on youtube sometimes. insane detail.
When you want to argue so bad, you don’t realize your opponent agrees with you.
"I don't even know why we are having a conversation about this" *continues to force a conversation that either they agree with or didn't start in the first place* Bwipo just needs to take a breath and realize that these games are not that deep
Bwipo wins one LCS title and starts talking out his ass
Well his argument is that these players are being paid millions of dollars to play. So he expects the games to be high quality.
Fr. VOD review a CQ game like it was a team meeting with people who arent even your teammates is kinda weird
@@agentcodybanx8909 Well I mean CQ is meant for pros to get better quality games than solo q. So if the games are not being taken serious then I'll see where Bwipo is coming from.
@@offthehooch4142 Well why is bwipo talking then ? He got gapped every single game, Floops every time they go international?
The saddest thing about this whole situation is Hyli confiding in Bwipo when he's frustrated and vulnerable, only for his "friend" to turn around and air it to as many people as humanly possible just to stoke his own ego.
when does hyli get involved? isn't this "whole situation" jankos vs bwipo? sorry i'm out of the loop
@@jal-kx6tm 2:17 to 3:34 not being able to watch the video for less than 4 minutes is crazy ngl
@@thothrax5621 i didn't watch from the beginning
This person is so insanely unbearable. Respect to the GOAT Jankos for showing true class. The maturity gap is huge.
Absolutely. You can see he's played with insufferable teammates before. and if you know Jankos, he's holding back a lot here because he can see the bigger picture.
Bwipo is the goat
@@chriszak31 jankos kept his mind with forg1ven on his team
Well hes younger, but not by that much:p
Bwipo that is
They where just saying the same thing at the end. Bwipo just kept yapping and got mad because jankos food was more important to him than bwipos yapping. Thats absolutely hilarious
Imagine being the most successful Western Jungler in history, and having to listen to a guy that got autofilled for one split tell you how to do your job
Carried by caps and unforgiven
@@TestingTestTest-zr5jb He didn't even fucking play with Unforgiven... you probably meant Forgiven, yet you're still wrong lol
Bwipo is also one of the best toplaners that west produced. You can hate how much you want
Bwipo proves that some people really just can't handle success without being fucking assholes.
Most people will automatically assume someone striving for greatness is an asshole.
That is not the takeaway from this...
@@goofer131 it is
Bwipo describes himself perfectly. Wins ina NA and thinks he owns the west
Hardest league- Bang and Crown can attest to that.
@@UncensoredJAV True
again hes always done this lol. like why do yall just choose what to remember to fit a narrative. league fans always so this its so cringe. yall have alzhimers at very convient times. its impressive
@@jasonnash4452When?
@@UncensoredJAV their team are sandbags
Brother bwipo is having copium overdose if he thinks he's top 3 top laner on west
Or maybe some other type of overdose…
Sadly he is in the top 3-5 toplaner in the west. Name me 3 that are better then him? Its Impact>>>Brokenblade and ??? The important point is he is in there not because he is that good its because the west is crap besides Caps especially in toplane and botlane.
@@thefirstk6331 I'd say that Myrwin is right there
@@thefirstk6331 my honest opinion is that if u can't guarantee that bwipo gets renekton every game, you could swap Jankos to that role with similar results
@@thefirstk6331 If you think Bwipo will lane against Oscar or Adam, you are just trolling.
You know what comes next:Bwipo getting humiliated by all toplaners he will play against at worlds😂
Nah not gonna happen, Bwipo is insanely good, he was the best top in EU for a long ass time.
@@Blastizor he wasnt and u know it. Wunder was shitting on him 24/7. Also he was gettin dogwalked in Na until this year where he played solid and thats it nothing more nothing less. He is going to get booty blasted at worlds and it will be hilarious. Not to mention dude is getting solo killed EVERY SINGLE GAME multiple times and is complaining how everyone is awful at the game. Hilarious actually.
@@GuyPearce217 Wunder used to get shit on by Bwipo wtf are u talking about, Wunder just had the better team. And Wunder has been shit for like 4 years now, pls stop the cap. No he didn't get dog walked in NA, it's a completely different environment he's placed in compared to EU, so he was ramping up, he was still one of the best too, and now he's won the split, even his Renekton is the best.
@@Blastizor bahahahhahaahahhaha “ramping up” BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Bwipo is getting molested 24/7 watch the streams dude is getting solo killed like 3-4 times each game and is saying how bad everyone is. He is going to get molested at worlds by everyone. He isnt even top 3 top laners in west let alone anywhere near in the whole world. Is this Bwipo burner account or sth?
@@Blastizorwhat is going on xD
Wunder was way better.
Bwipo was a coin flip. He could solo lose a game in 5 minutes. He probably has better highlights but that doesn't mean he was better. Wunder outperformed him many times, I will never forget the reserve sweep in 2019 with Wunder's Kled.
Besides that, what made Wunder better was his versatility. He could play Akali, Irelia and Ryze at a very high level. Bwipo pool was predictable and he couldn't play those kind of champs making flex almost impossible for fnatic.
This guy sounds like one of those junior devs in a tech company when they figure out something that the senior devs have been doing for 2 decades and now the junior is explaining to the senior how things work.
He comes across as someone that feels he is always right and wants to establish that by explaining what others do wrong to the point it gets demoralising.
I had a chuckle when DL said: "leaking this stuff to 10k viewers is so immature."
This is why I watch DL. He's always so responsible with sensitve information.
EDIT: This was a reddit comment DL was reading out. I had the video on audio only, and it just sounded like something DL would say.
My mistake. DL occasionally speaks before thinking, but I would say DL's own take was pretty reasonable, and I spoke before thinking here.
lmaooooooooooooooooooo
underrated comment xdd
yea you deserve a like sir
I don’t get it. I can tell this is sarcasm but what did DL do? 😂
@@lelouchdagoat4477 DL has been sued by TSM back in 2021 / 22 for releasing confidential team information on stream iirc, but it's a bit of a rabbit hole so delve at your own risk?
Bwipo won LCS once and thinks hes the best player in the world. no one would do this after winning LCS for the first time. APA didnt act like this.
imagine outyapping yapa himself
If you can't talk your shit after winning the league, when can you do it?
@@lar487win lcs title u get to shit talk the teams in NA. U wanna shit on lck/lpl/lec u gotta win MSI or worlds. Shitting on players u didn’t beat makes no sense.
@@lar487 Winning NA LCS.
MDK and KC would most likely win LCS, lol.
And he played NA Challenger. NA Challenger is literally worse than EUW Diamond 1.
He gets shit on every single game. Without exception.
And still has this ego.
@@ObsidiaBeastsaying MDK and KC would win lcs is some MAJOR level coping please let me know why your parents are brother and sister, KC came to EU and became the ugliest and worst team ever in EU
Doublelift: "why are we discussing the game in great detail at all? I wouldn't want to be a part of this."
Lmao
The funniest thing about it is that he got carried for the majority of the split by, you guessed it, a European 😭
the funniest thing is that he has lost the vast majority of inhouses by inting. Even teh games that he started by winning lane
Thanks for being another person noticing that. Coms In-game constantly have inspired trying to reign in bwipo
bwipo has always been extremely unlikeable i have no idea why he has fans
There were a lot of chants and fans for him at the lcs finals. Idk how they feel about his behavior after all this stuff lately
@@polyfloralhoneyhe should be kick out of every teams.
I don’t know anyone who want to work/play with someone like that.
Because he was good, 6 years ago and would say whacky stuff on stream sometimes. I never liked him either, but at least he could back up his ego to some extent back then.
A lot of his viewers are just there to laugh at him and make fun of him
@@bobysmith5662 Mhm intersting comment. Kicked out of teams for what? he's not toxic, does not int, cares about the game (passionate). Surley you know how it is to be a pro player xDDDDD
It feels like Bwipo's concern isnt only about the gameplay improvements. Cuz even when Jankos agreed he didnt move on. It feels like he wanted Jankos and the others to understand and admit that he is a smarter/ superior player than them or something. He is more focused on being right than actual progress in the conversation/ gameplay improvement. Atleast that's what he comes off as.
Just feels like hes being defensive when he doesnt need to be, cuz he's making some good points. If he could change his tone and wording and build off of what Jankos is saying instead of clinging onto his own points the conversation would grow instead of being stagnant. These all could be an anxiety related issue, tho, who knows. But i can tell he means well and that he cares a lot about the game. I wish him good luck 👍
its exactly that. hes the embodiment of ego. if he had the chance, he would lecture faker and chovy too xDDD
@@fnc_waveand I'm sure faker and chovy can actually take criticism and that's why they're at the top
@@12mulesandy ye they can take criticism when talking to human beings. not someone that wants to perma insult and flame when he couldve easily said the same thing in a calmer way. ego tripping be hitting hard after winning an Na game thanks to minions xd
Well they didn't have a good argument against him. Its more like bwipo was showing too much "coaching other pro players" which is info he should keep to himself, the others are bad let them keep being bad.
Jankos summed bwipo up really good, instead of him going to scrim he was rambling on his stream about random champions q game. If he truly cared about improvement he would've cared more about scrims no?
Man the fact Hyli speaks after that year he had is hilarious. I don’t think Vetheo was telling him to run it like a bronze dog over and over again
Its funny how bwipo calls other EU players dogshit paycheck stealers when the biggest cash grabber inter pig leech is his own friend hyli
That's what baffled me. How is Hyli saying anything after he's been just running it down for the past 4 splits
@@ZadkeilMercy hyli isn't saying anything.
Typical hyli haters comprehension ability
0/7 Bwipo Renekton against PSG
I'm just stating facts. Interpret it as you will.
Their convos sound so hostile and they're agreeing with each other lol
"Its not just what you say, its how you say it." Speak directly. When you start every sentence with "I dont know why we are..." you've already failed at communicating your point cuz that just sounds passive aggressive even if ur point is right. I hear a lot about EU being honest, but thats not honest - just say your point instead of the passive aggressive "i dont know why we" crap. You're trying to be nice to your teammate by not being directly blunt, but it just comes off as condescending, elitist, and passive aggressive. Okay bye 👋🏾
When Bwipo is blunt everyone complains he's too mean
@@FrameWinnerTennis maybe because he's being too mean with or without "I don't know why" at the start
@@eVill420 that's exactly the opposite of what OP is complaining about lol
Bwipo just salty because he couldn't beat G2. I hope FlyQuest gets bodied at worlds by everyone. I'll cheer for any western team except for Flyquest. Obviously always favoring EU more than NA for me.
Hopefully g2 gets embarrassed again like last year
*when* they get bodied. When has na ever done anything in worlds?
? G2 and fly quest or any lcs team are not the same caliber of team. It's not even a debate anywhere else but in na. No one even thinks abt lcs teams in worlds outside of na lol
hahahaha
on the point of reviewing the games on stream, bwipo had said on the dive that he's glad to help anyone that asks, especially western teams about expanding their knowledge of the game because at the end of the day, raising the level of play for everyone pays forward.
Everyone else is just having a casual time doing IN-HOUSES, that aren't even just pro players. It's anyone who is qualified to play in these customs. Bwipo is treating every game like Game 5 Worlds Finals - Others are just chilling. They want to relax, play some league, test some shit, vibe, and Bwipo is making it so difficult.
lol no, they're not "just chilling" they're practising as whole teams aswell. i think yesterday or the day before that we had fly vs G2
@@fredbrad2036 who is "we" lil bro LMAOOO
@@hahaxdiguess English isn’t your first language is it.
"i dont even know why were having a conversation about it right now"
proceeds to keep yapping about it LIKE CHILL OUT MOVE ON TO NEXT
People that argue for the sake of arguing are a put off to me. I would avoid that person as much as I can.
least condescending egotistical league player
When i watched pro league more back in the day i hated bwipo for taking spot from Soaz, than i saw how fearlessly and innovatively he played the game i really grew to love him. It is sad to see him become so bitter, did not used to be this bad.
He was always low key spicy, but this is much even for him.
@@marusis4453 its okay being a bit.. spicy or ''flamey'' if its done in a fun way. Wunder does it best imo, he also flames and laughs about himself. And most importantly he would never be like that because thats just straight up unprofessional.
I've been a fan of Doublelift for over a decade. So proud of the level-headed, intelligent, confident person he's evolved into.
I used to think DL was the pinnacle of terrible league community. But I am with you. Big maturing. Great content. Here for it
bwipo is 100% not okay mentally right now. Winning lcs tipped him over the edge lol
My bad guys I forgot to ping MIA on Bwipo’s neck
bro came to NA and got dogwalked the entire time he’s been here, take a chill pill 😂
Huh? He's one of the best if not the best toplaner in the league.
@@FrameWinnerTennis WHAT 😭 idk what lcs you’ve been watching but it’s not the same one I have been for the last 2/3 years
@@WHIKKEDDDD he's been an all pro every year he's played
@@FrameWinnerTennis and? All Pro REALLY does not mean much at the end of the day 😭 especially in the LCS. Bwipo is def top 5, but to say he’s one of if not the best is an insane take. great player? yeah. great enough to shit all over other players? nope
@@FrameWinnerTennistop 5 for sure, best noway, impact takes a shit on his chest everyday of the week
Adderall is a helluva drug
why is he trying to speedrun no other team hiring him ever again after flyquest?
jankos is like most liked proplayer no?
and and among other things that showed why ig.
Saying "I dont know why we are having a discussion about that" when hes the only one talking for ages is so fucked up
public perception of bwipo started deteriorating really hard after he went to NA
Bwipo has the potential to become the next reginald
I forgot about Reginald lol
When you're talking to a friend you just need to vent out, you don't need to call out in public, if your want to talk with it, talk to it privately. what a jerk. Hyli will be hate by the fans because of Bwipo.
Jankos has always been boosted. We even made a drinking game of him failing the engage and dying. Worlds were the best, we were taking bets on him being the first person to die every game. Especially love one game where he on Lee Sin managed to miss every Q on champs (it was around 15-20 attempts). Guy is a legend. But yeah, Bwipo should try to keep it cool on stream.
How is the worst guy on his team by a long shot even talking about declining skill and boosted lmfao???? Everytime I see bwipoo play he is always feeding every single pro game
"No I agree with you, but you're the biggest clot in all of LEC and its a marvel you are still playing league at your 30 years of age you developmentally challenged infant."
"Ok Bwipo it's fine, I agree with you, can we go next?"
"Yeah but I'm saying..." continues simmering just under full tilt as he remembers Jensen in his dreams
When listening to them discuss that moment of 'staying too long', it sounds like Jankos respects Bwipo and his opinion but Bwipo comes off sounding like that respect isn't mutual. Bwipo's EGO is what makes this into an issue and as soon as Jankos agreed, the discussion should've ended.
this wasn't even the drama lol it was between Bwipo and Vetheo and calling out Hyli's solo laners. He also called out Jackies and Vladi in vod review.
bwipo cant even lace jankos boots to even discuss jungling with him
jesus christ it must be a nightmare playing with Bwipo
Doublelift seems extremely reasonable one of the reasons I’m subbed.
Bjerg and Santorin were so annoyed they retired and sat on a quiet room for 2 weeks after to de stress lol
"I agree with you but what I'm saying is...." ...... Holy
Even if you disagree with his analysis, I think it’s good for English speaking regions to share knowledge like this with the pros and viewers to help everyone get better or think about the game in different ways. Keeping all your info locked inside your own team is another reason why the west has sucked. The Korean teams are known to share info with other teams about the game/opponents especially at international events and it should be the same for us too
But leena leaking that nobody wants DD was profesional?
Re: vod review question DL asked about 'advantages'. Bwipo has said he wants to improve and fix EU. I also think EU culture is more about brutal honesty. Bwipo also has a huge ego undeniably.
Bwipo is cooked in the brain, He also said he was the reason why wunder was even good xD Bwipo one of the toplaners that has the worst worlds stats in the world xD
@@niklashallden7795 Wunder never lost one laning phase to bwipo and outperformed in team fights, soaz was out performing bwipo at worlds.
@@rockylee943 well yes thats what i mean but BWIPO said HE was the only reason wunder was even good xD
I wanna see him lecturing an lck team, they would just mute that noob
Just 4 days ago I commented a video saying that I never saw Bwipo acting immature lol
Whats funny is, Bwipo was arguably the weakest player on flyquest. Man that guys ego is huge.
can't wait for the IWD video on DLs take because mr lift isn't allowed to have an opinion
Dom's only gripe with DL is his lack of understanding or research behind his opinions. Lol
@@zSwS And we are talking about the same guy who throws hate on Mad Lions Koi just because they're a spanish team right? That understanding and reasearch you're talking about is here with us? Lmao xd
@@zSwS I used to watch all of doms videos but now he sounds like such a bitch all the time. Says the most cringe inducing shit half the time
@@MusicBitMonster Regardless, DL's worlds picks last year were very troll. You could tell he didn't watch anything outside of NA/EU.
@@mellow1732 Doesn't change DL's troll worlds picks last year. Lol
Bwipo wins a single split and thinks he can start talking down to all Western players.
And he didn't even win it in a "legitimate" way.
He completely threw the game by diving TL nexus turrets and getting deleted, and then diving into 5 without his team the very next fight and getting one shot.
FLY completely threw game 4 against TL. They lost that game. HE lost that game.
The minions just bailed him out.
And yet he still lets it inflate his ego this much???
Cmon man
I just find it funny to hear him talk shit because Bwipo likely isn't a Top 50 player of all-time worldwide.
He literally went on pros and said he was the weak link in flight quest
Takes two games off GenG...
I've seen some similar behavior come out it high stress situations. He is likely analysing his own and his teammates play in a similar manner, and it will cause burnout out some point. Hopefully after worlds, or it will be a rough set of games.
tbh I think its good him sharing his thoughts cuz everyone can learn from that and improve even soloq players.
bWIPO was like forsen at worlds
All of you are missing the point. Bwipo isn't doing this out of the passion to help the LEC be a better region.
Bwipo is playing 4D chess trying to tilt the fuck out of his competition.
FLY Winless Swiss lock it in
in my long life i have learnt most peoples passive-aggressive behaviour and condescending tones have little to do with the me/petty situation at hand. More so the stress overload of an overworked, or fatiguesd person. Generally found at this job, case in point-video above. NO real suprises and here, the community is always fishing for workforce drama cos most of them dont work and need gossip to stimualte their boring lives, or took fandom too seriously, its still a game. GL on the rift all.
Man… I used to love Bwipo…. But this is so unbearable. It feels like he was waiting for years to win a title so that he could let it all out….
Bwipo is the reason I haven't watched any LCS content since Flyquest won a few weeks ago. He's so in love with himself and the sound of his own voice. I don't think their game review is meant to be anything other than an opportunity for Bwipo to condescend and talk over other people. Jankos is trying to hard to get him to stop arguing and talking over them but Bwipo is too wrapped up in himself to care.
Bwipo isn’t good enough to be slinging shit like this
yea i think bwipo is going through something but like how is he soo passive aggressive all the time. Will go to worlds and lose before playoffs like always
Comparing yourself to to sOAZ is like comparing yourself to a millionaire but you have 5bucks on your name
hikaru is very much pro in chess and does go into his thought process in great detail.
There are some pros to do that also, see what other people think about what you think etc.
All I wanna say is RIP for anyone who is a relationship with this guy. His oppressive narcissism is insufferable
His gf is even worse than him.
respect to Bwipo for keeping the brand alive
If someone is shivering when offering and advice and talking, that person might not be socially okay.
Hot Take; I think LEC/LCS are so far behind Macro, Micro.. everything, to LCK / LPL that when going into these International Tournamentsa they need to be sharing every piece of advise possible and trying to be the best they can be going into these tournaments. Obviously we don't know what the LPL / LCK scrims really look like, but I'm going to guess they are more constructive in team to team gameplay than what we''re seeing from Champions Queue.
Now Hilly gonna receive more hate from schizo Vetheo fans thanks to him What a "good friend"...
Bwipo is legit autistic AF, he has no idea what the consequences of what he says are he just says shit without filter
I remember when Wunder wiped the floor with Bwipo everytime they match up lmao. 😂
2min in and he already takes reddit commenter's words as granted
It just feels in the last 12 months bwipo turned back into being a huge kid like he was in lec before he went away 😅
i dont really understand why you would do vod review after a pick up "scrim" with players from other teams. like how many games are you going to play with this random assortment of other pro players? so weird
I used to frickin love bwipo, he was the funnies dude in the league (LEC) at the time. Always making funny faces/jokes etc. And he was a good player on top of that aswell. And to see him leave EU for NA was obv very sad cuz that prity much means early retirement. And now this? Thought he was better than this.
If you are infighting this badly , how are you suppose to beat* more unified teams?
I’m surprised more people aren’t connecting this conversation style and general behavior to tarzaned? He’s just picking arbitrary points and digging in on it and insisting he is correct without any attempt to listen. And then he just randomly jumps into another nothing burger tangent.
i think it was not hard to see how vit sololaners were not great and not following on hylissang engages making him look like the inter
Bwipo gotta be the biggest hindsight Harold ever holy
Bwipo wins a championship and becomes 2024 version of TSM Regi lol
All the people that claim mental ilness, ADHD or the like somewhere on the spectrum, whatever. Listen to BWIPO, that's someone with something serious.
bwibo is the nerdy guy at school that tries to lecture everyone about everything but secretly has like a 3.1 gpa and can barely get into college
I watched the whole stream last night honesty shit was right he said a lot of insightful shit about of lot of good people players with great ethic and without
that's why Bwipo is in NA gutters kekw
He literally won NA. Meanwhile EU got smacked around by NA on repeat, so stfu.
this doublelift guy kept it super real ngl
Why am i not surprised Bwipo is good friends with Nemesis and LS, insufferable ego-maniacs like each other i guess