A bunch of people commenting are talking about how it's "apples and oranges" or something. In reality, it's not. I saw some comments about a multi-engine rating costing $10,000. Sure, but when you're torn between a $1 million and a $1.4 million airplane, is a 1% difference going to sway your decision? I saw a comment about the engines being less serviceable. It's a brand new airplane and the point is to have it serviced at the factory-approved service centers. It's not like people buying Stinson 108s with Franklin engines; service still exists and the Austro engines are far more common than one might think. I also saw a comment talking about how a comparison between a DA-50 and SR22T and the Baron and the DA62 is more apt. I disagree. First of all, the DA-50 isn't even in public use yet, so there's no way of knowing how it would perform in the real world. While the DA-50RG (by the first look, anyways) seems to compete more with the SR22T, I don't think the Baron and DA62 fit the same customer. The Baron customer is looking for a more tried-and-true airframe, and the DA62 customer is concerned about efficiency, safety, and performance- the same things the Cirrus customer is looking for. Notice that the fuel burn on these two airplanes are very similar, the speed below 14k is very similar, and in the DA62 you get twin-engine safety with the options that liquid cooling provides (no shock cooling danger on descent, for one.) Ultimately, I think I'd have the DA62 - I prefer to fly away from my engine failures buying a new engine from Austria than falling into school parking lots, $1 million down the gutter, and climbing out all bruised up.
Excellent analysis, Luc! Yes, we created this video because clients are coming to us to compare these two modern planes more than any others. While a typical twin-engine wouldn't be an obvious comparison, seeing as the DA62 is FADEC controlled (and has just two levers for engine management, as opposed to having 6 with prop and mixture) our clients tell us the DA62 is as easy to fly as any single-engine airplane. We hope this video helps potential owners to evaluate both choices. Thanks for your thoughtful response!
@@luczipkin Every single Diamond is a maintenance nightmare. That 400k difference is far more than just the 400k. The maintenance costs will be through the roof. Not only that, it's a new airplane so the problems are gonna compile. Cirrus is the only airplane on the market that the prices of used planes have increased since the pandemic. That speaks volumes.
@@luczipkin You cant compare two airplanes that are that far apart in terms of pricing and fall in two completely different categories (single vs. multi engine piston). Calling a 40% price difference "insignificant" or saying that "it doesnt matter that much" is ludicrous, the DA62 will be much more expensive to buy, whether youre getting it outright or through financing doesnt matter, 40% is 40%. Now you have the airplane, as pointed out in the Video the DA62 doesnt fit in your standard hangar so you have to figure that out, due to its higher MTOW and the fact its twin engined landing/hangar fees are going to be much more expensive in many countries, two engines also means maintenance for two engines, etc. The depreciation question cant really be answered, but i have seen that big, complex and capable twins are dirt cheap over here because they are maintenance nightmares, lets just hope that the DA62 doesnt fall into that category in some years. So as a big Diamond fan myself, the DA50RG is the competitor here, this is literally like comparing a Mercedes C-class with a BMW X5.
Great thought, Ramez! However, the DA50 is not currently a buying option and won't be in the US for some time. When it is, expect plenty of great content that will feature that airframe. :)
No I think the DA 62 is closer. Because of safety aspects. Twin Engine vs. Parachute. The DA 50 is single engine and got no Parachute. The range is also less on the DA 50. So I think the better choice will be the DA 62.
Excellent video! I went through the same analysis 3 years ago and picked the Diamond DA62, because the advantages you highlighted were important to me. The modern engines were at the top of my list, followed by the useful load, efficiency, excellent handling and quality. 900 hours later, I know I made the right choice.
Nice comparison! If I had the money to spare, I'd go with the Diamond. - Two Engines (so there's some redundancy there) - FADEC controlled engines greatly reduce pilot workload - More fuel efficient below 14k - Jet A1 is cheaper than AVGAS - Greater payload capacity - Longer range
The only problem with both of these airplane is that i can't afford one.... It is a great analogy that you did with engines, exactly no one would go to a dealership and order a new car and then request the dealer to put a WW2 era engine in it, that is what most GA airplanes are. Even worse most GA airplanes were designed in last century when none of the modern safety standards and requirements that these modern airplanes had to pass to get certified existed. One important thing you missed is how many passengers you can carry on these, the da62 would beat the cirrus in that as well. Overall both are great airplanes and i wish more manufacturers would move towards diesel engines like the diamond... Cheers guys.
You're failing to account for the airplanes' useful load. Just because you have 6 seats doesn't mean you can fill them and meet book performance. You won't. That's what makes the Cirrus the better airplane for MOST missions. I can take 3 passengers plus bags and full fuel, and be right at max gross with a midrange CG. Solo, I can go FMY-BUF nonstop in a touch over 5 hours. Fill the seats, and I can still take full fuel, but I split the flight into two legs for my passengers bladders. Plus, it takes too long at max gross to get to FL200 or higher.
What safety standards where added to aircraft after the 60's except ADS-B? The cirrus only has the CAPS system because it had an unstable wing at low speeds
When we were buying an airplane, we were torn between both planes. They are pretty comparable besides the single vs multi engine. But at the end of the day we went with the DA62. Very easy to fly, FADEC is awesome.
Well, the takeoff/landing distance (ft) for the Cirrus is 1517/1178, whereas the Diamond is 2897/2556...so, you can get in and out of much smaller airfields with the Cirrus, which I could see being a big factor for some.
This is a pretty good video, nice information, it would be been so much more useful if you had showing the numbers side by side instead of many minutes of awkwardly not looking at the camera? The music will drive many people crazy. You missed out information that people really want to know like cabin noise and seating moment, comfort, entry etc. Over all pretty good.
A great evaluation of both aircraft - well done ! For me, I am very pleased I chose the Diamond DA62, which I consider the safest general aviation aircraft in the world today for so many reasons.
I would be happy with either Aircraft. However, to me the Diamond DA 62 would be my choice of Aircraft! Latest Technology, liquid cooled engines, larger, and I believe the “biggest Bang for the Buck!” I love everything about the Diamond DA 62!! Thank You for an Outstanding Comparison!!
I just did this comparison & bought a used SR-22T. For me, the service was more readily available, it fit in many of the hangars on the field & I could almost buy 2 2014 Cirrus for the price of the least expensive used DA-62s. Parts seem less expensive & more readily available & there is a Cirrus service center on my field. The insurance was less expensive on the Cirrus for me as well. I really like the DA-62, but will wait while they become more of a player. The DA-62 flew fantastic & is a great plane.
Great video. Would rather have two engines than a chute. That being said, I’m curious what obstacles Diamond faced that kept a chute system from being installed. I wonder if G3000 will become available
The Da62 is such a beautiful aircraft! Inspite of what many purists would say, I would go for the fadec managed engines. Also bigger cabin with possibility ro have up to 7 occupants and more readily available fuel.
Dave, exactly. With the FADEC controlled engines (and just two levers for engine management, as opposed to having 6 with prop and mixture) our clients tell us the DA62 is as easy to fly as any single-engine airplane. We created this video because Diamond and Cirrus are the leaders in modern aviation and potential owners were comparing these two planes more than any other. Hope it is helpful!
@@LifeStyleAviation With those Austro engines it wouldn't surprise me if the fuel burn was pretty close to the Cirrus. Part of my preference for the Diamond is less practical, however: the smell of Jet-A reminds me of flying on airliners as a kid.
One item I wish they would address was the TBO for the Cirrus and the TBR for the Diamond. Personally I think the Diamond is hands down my favorite but I cant afford to replace the engines every 1400 hours.
I’m really glad you pointed out the power plant disaster caused by FAA. They froze GA into the 50/60’s and they’ve been making excuses all this time on why there hasn’t a day of progress. They are still doing it with all this PAFI nonsense. Swift had to go out on their own and develop an unleaded aviation fuel. It’s beyond frustrating
I do love my DA62. My wife and I chose it over a Cirrus. Useful load was a significant factor in our choice as we (uncommonly) fly our plane often near gross. Both airplanes have a modern safety envelop that many older GA airplanes would be jealous of. Comparing these two airplanes is a bit difficult as the true mission profile of the two airplanes are different. I’m pretty confident most pilots would smile and say yes to any offer to fly either airplane. Thanks for the video.
This is a pretty common style in modern RUclips videos. Often the host is often looking at another camera talking but they play the video of them talking to that camera from another camera's perspective. It's just a style choice. I like it.
@@user8ZAKC1X6KC But there does seem to be a second camera, so it's just artifice. I find it distracting, as if the speaker is talking not to me but to some mysterious other 3 metres to my left or right.
Thanks for the video. Two things, though... 1. You forgot to mention the advantage of onboard weather radar for the DA62. 2. The length for the DA62 was quoted as 109 in, while that of the Cirrus was 110 in. For the DA, was that for a 5 seater or 7 seater? That seems to be a really tight fit for a 7 seater. Again, nice video.
I was a CFI at a major Flight School in Florida… We had a Diamond DA-62 in our fleet… What I remember most about it was… that it was constantly in the maintenance hanger with something broken and being repaired… I was told also that parts were more expensive, and they took longer to get shipped in… Our other twins were Piper Seminoles, and they were flying every day…
Good summary...might I suggest that the DA42 is a better comparison to the Cirrus. Or better yet the new DA50 so we see single engine to single engine.
I would forgo the chute for the extra room and engine of the Diamond if the computer offers backup emergency management. I can't buy one but window shopping with you was fun and your presentation very very thorough and informative.
Love the Land Rover! Restoring a 1964 Series IIA 88" right now in that exact same color... Bronze Green. While I love my truck, I can't help but admit that some serious changes have occurred since then in engineering and technology.
I’ve flown Both Cirrus and Diamond 40 and disagree about the statement you made about the Cirrus control yoke! I find it a very relaxing flying without AutoPilot. Also, the doors don’t need to be slammed anymore. The huge negative with Diamond is hard seats, unless, they have softened them up.
Ok, sold on the Diamond 💎. Cirrus has better marketing and pilot support. Can you make some flight videos of the Diamond including the avionics overview and the autopilot?
Great request! We'll look at creating something more in depth. In the meantime, we have a number of other videos on the DA62 on this channel as well as the Diamond Aircraft channel. Check out this one for more: ruclips.net/video/m_g76ex4qNo/видео.html
Great video. This is a comparison I was waiting to see. Thanks. One thing missing from your comparison is service availability. I suspect the Austro engines have a lot more proprietary parts and service requirements as you would expect from the new tech. How does access to service, time to service (AOG) compare?
Austro engines are basically Mercedes engines. Parts will not be a problem, but maybe finding the qualified people needed to fit them will depending on your location. Selling under a thousand engines a year doesn't bode well for access to service.
The "Lamborghini Style" doors really don't need to be slammed on the Cirrus G6 or the 2016 G5, which have the lever-style door handles on the exterior. From inside, just pull them gently into place and push the handle down. From the outside, they either latch when gently closed, or if you give them a gentle press. The pre-2016 planes with the pushbutton latch on the exterior did need to be closed more forcefully to make them engage.
The. D? A 62. If I'm not mistaken just had an issue? Where the pilot lost both engines because of one wire? It's supposed to be Redundant. but the bus system was common.
The fact that I, someone who knows very few people, know someone who was killed in a cirrus due to mechanical failure, is exactly why I will never own one
Car wizard you always amaze me when i saw you standing next to the aeroplane i you said that you use to work on citation i am also a retired d haviland dash 8 areoplane mechanic that is why you are an excellent auto mechanic .
Well the Da42 would be a better comparison, while my personal preference is for the twin Diamonds, all three are lovely aircraft. Would love to be able to get my PPL and buy something like this.
A 400k delta plus 2 engines to maintain at half the TBO each.. Parachute versus a second engine is also a never-ending philosophical-style hangar conversation... I would have gone for Diamond only if it were far less expensive..
I wouldn't choose either one of these for that price range...the true choice is the Piper M350. Six passenger, pressurized cabin, latest tech and safety options, and easily cruises over 200kts in the low 20s to range of over 1,300 nm.
Not really a “nose-to nose” comparison when you are comparing a Single-Engine that uses AVGAS, with a Multi-Engine aircraft that uses FADEC-controlled Jet-A engines.
Excellent and relevant comparison of the two most top of the line currently manufactured General Aviation piston aircraft. Helps explain why the DA62 is worth the price premium. A closer comparison would be the Cirrus SR22T vs. the Diamond DA42-VI. Nearly identical cost, interior dimensions, useful load, and performance, but the DA42-VI has much better engine out climb performance.
the only thing that worries me is the ground personnel accidiently filling the DA62 with 100LL avgas since they are used to only filling jets or turboporops with JetA
For all people complaining that one is SEP and the other MEP, you have to realise that in terms of performance the Cirrus has the edge. Those two engines on the Diamond are quite small
Fun video. Ummm, you didn't mention the MEL requirement. Would have also liked much more about the avionics and FMS. Also oxygen, AC, and harness are major comfort items. What about ice? I guess both are nice fixed gear. Rough fields? Want to see pax interiors. What is boarding like.
Get your MEL in 5-10 hours for about $1,000 if you only need an instructor - do it in your own DA62. Lots of folks do it that way. The DA62 is significantly easier to fly than the Cirrus - and more fun. Avionics/FMS are basically the same G1000 units, although Cirrus calls it something different. Both have FIKI (Flight Into Known Icing), oxygen, and AC as available options. The DA62 also has an excellent onboard radar as an option, the Cirrus does not. Harnesses are about the same. DA62 has a far more spacious and comfortable interior. The DA62 has much larger tires than its predecessor (the DA42-VI) and was designed for the European market, where a bulk of the airfields are grass. Unbelievably cushy trailing link suspension on the mains make a hard landing almost impossible. Front seat access is easier than pretty much any small aircraft out there. No twisting or contorting. Flip up the hinged thigh support, stand straight up, grab the hand holds in the top frame, and (here's the trick even a lot of DA62 owners don't know) step in with your outside leg first, slide over and sit straight down. I'm old and feeble and have no problem with it. Middle row entry is even easier.
Good video but two other things would have been nice. Given these will most likely be owner flown, with wife, kids, dog, and bags, what is the full fuel load and what is full fuel zero wind range? I am a Diamond fan. I learned in them and have ~ 160 to 175 hours if you count Super Dimona time. I suppose given the price of the aircraft , and after private, instrument and maybe commercial ratings some might not consider multi and multi instrument ratings to be that big of a deal but it would be a potential add on in time and cost to getting the DA-62 that would not figure into the Cirrus as I would have to do. Either way, you cannot go wrong. They are both damn fine aircraft. Thank you and be safe.
Fantastic presentation well done..You pointed out a very valid concern for the aviation community.. The Cirrus is unbelievably beautiful plane. The design, interior, avionics are second to none... But the engine is fifty plus years old.. They say the TBO on these engines are around 2000 hours but how many really make it past 600 hours before they need a top over haul.. The Diamond on the other hand has the AE 330 engine made by Mercedes and probably manufactured in the hundreds of thousand a year and the cost is a fraction of either the two traditional aircraft engine manufactures. One has to wonder why in this modern day and age with such a perfect aircraft as the Cirrus is, they would want to use such an old engine...
The NAs do pretty well in terms of engine longevity. The turbos do tend to need cylinders. You can avoid this if you're really scrupulous about managing temperatures, but it's a challenge.
@@MikeKobb that's where the FADEC comes in to play. Never flown a Cirrus but have a good amount of time on a DA42. Based on what you said about managing the temperatures, having the FADEC and trusting it to keep your engine parameters where they need to be would be a great peace of mind to have.
@@vitorgamba4736 Yeah, assuming that the FADEC is doing the right thing. One thing that some folks have observed is that Continental's guidance for operating the TSIO-550 recommends an operating temperature range that is frankly too hot on the high end. No problem if you're managing your own engine, because you can just run it cooler. But, if you had a FADEC version of the 550 and Continental chose to program the FADEC to those limits, there may not be much you can do to avoid long term problems. Don't get me wrong. I want a FADEC engine, but you are giving up some control to whoever programs that controller.
@@MikeKobb that's interesting to hear. But I guess even on a FADEC engine you could dial power back a little if that would be the case on one. Like on the regular engine, you would be losing some power to run it cooler and I don't see any way the FADEC could forcefully drive the temps up but I'm no expert.
How reliable is the Avgas engine ,compared to the de jet fuel engine (diesel) of these two aircrafts? I Understand that the diesel engine has proportionally less parts than the avgas engine. Are there statistics about reliability comparisons? Thanks.
If I had to choose between the two I'd go with the DA-62. If I can choose a plane for any plane for a $1M I'd get a used Piper M500. Turbine reliability, pressurized cabin and not climbing up a wing would be the selling points for me.
A multi-enigne rating in the aircraft, in this case a Diamond DA62, would take for a competent pilot, about 10 hours. The rating is not a factor. However, currency is a factor. High performance singles require more than 3 takeoffs and landings every 90 days, but a twin needs even more recency of experience. For a pilot that flies very regularly, the twin is no problem. For a pilot that flies every few weeks, the single would be a better option and in that case, get the DA50. I really don't like flying with old air-cooled engines. This young man was very kind talking about the big Continental... they are maintenance hogs. The Diamond had a batch of engines with bad pistons, but that has been rectified. I would trust my life with the Austro's. I'd love a DA62!
Also mention, as a pilot, you have to spend the extra $10+ thousand to get a multi-engine rating to fly the DA-62 and maintenance on two engines verse maintenance on one
Lol how is anyone spending 10k for a multi rating? Only takes 5-6hrs, maybe 10hrs if you’re having issues in training. SR22 will require a similar amount of flight time by a Cirrus instructor to qualify for insurance coverage, and the insurance is much more expensive due to the CAPS.
@@benghazi4216 of course they need to pay on a fatal accident. The insurance is higher due to people pulling the caps for minor issues, and writing off the hull. Can usually get a single down with minor damage or no damage on a forced approach, and giving up and going caps when accidentally VFR into IMC is not an option. From what I’ve seen though insurance is much higher. I own and fly a PA30 which is insured for $2500 per year, and my friend has a SR22 paying $13k per year. Apparently even the SR20 has elevated rates compared to a similar value 172 (don’t know anyone with an SR20 through)
Perfect amount of info. and the comments are mostly well thought out. --- You make some good points, everyone. --- Would it be possible to compare the DA40 turbo diesel? That plane is available now while the DA50 is some time out.
A bunch of people commenting are talking about how it's "apples and oranges" or something. In reality, it's not. I saw some comments about a multi-engine rating costing $10,000. Sure, but when you're torn between a $1 million and a $1.4 million airplane, is a 1% difference going to sway your decision? I saw a comment about the engines being less serviceable. It's a brand new airplane and the point is to have it serviced at the factory-approved service centers. It's not like people buying Stinson 108s with Franklin engines; service still exists and the Austro engines are far more common than one might think. I also saw a comment talking about how a comparison between a DA-50 and SR22T and the Baron and the DA62 is more apt. I disagree. First of all, the DA-50 isn't even in public use yet, so there's no way of knowing how it would perform in the real world. While the DA-50RG (by the first look, anyways) seems to compete more with the SR22T, I don't think the Baron and DA62 fit the same customer. The Baron customer is looking for a more tried-and-true airframe, and the DA62 customer is concerned about efficiency, safety, and performance- the same things the Cirrus customer is looking for. Notice that the fuel burn on these two airplanes are very similar, the speed below 14k is very similar, and in the DA62 you get twin-engine safety with the options that liquid cooling provides (no shock cooling danger on descent, for one.) Ultimately, I think I'd have the DA62 - I prefer to fly away from my engine failures buying a new engine from Austria than falling into school parking lots, $1 million down the gutter, and climbing out all bruised up.
Excellent analysis, Luc! Yes, we created this video because clients are coming to us to compare these two modern planes more than any others. While a typical twin-engine wouldn't be an obvious comparison, seeing as the DA62 is FADEC controlled (and has just two levers for engine management, as opposed to having 6 with prop and mixture) our clients tell us the DA62 is as easy to fly as any single-engine airplane. We hope this video helps potential owners to evaluate both choices. Thanks for your thoughtful response!
The difference between $1 million and 1.4 million is 1%? Not on my calculator.
@@MegaGuitarpicker The difference in training costs is 1% of the Cirrus' purchase price. Obviously the DA62 is far more expensive.
@@luczipkin Every single Diamond is a maintenance nightmare. That 400k difference is far more than just the 400k. The maintenance costs will be through the roof. Not only that, it's a new airplane so the problems are gonna compile. Cirrus is the only airplane on the market that the prices of used planes have increased since the pandemic. That speaks volumes.
@@luczipkin You cant compare two airplanes that are that far apart in terms of pricing and fall in two completely different categories (single vs. multi engine piston).
Calling a 40% price difference "insignificant" or saying that "it doesnt matter that much" is ludicrous, the DA62 will be much more expensive to buy, whether youre getting it outright or through financing doesnt matter, 40% is 40%.
Now you have the airplane, as pointed out in the Video the DA62 doesnt fit in your standard hangar so you have to figure that out, due to its higher MTOW and the fact its twin engined landing/hangar fees are going to be much more expensive in many countries, two engines also means maintenance for two engines, etc.
The depreciation question cant really be answered, but i have seen that big, complex and capable twins are dirt cheap over here because they are maintenance nightmares, lets just hope that the DA62 doesnt fall into that category in some years.
So as a big Diamond fan myself, the DA50RG is the competitor here, this is literally like comparing a Mercedes C-class with a BMW X5.
Great unique selling points for the da62, however The new da50 might be the more suitable model to compare to the sr22
Indeed.
Great thought, Ramez! However, the DA50 is not currently a buying option and won't be in the US for some time. When it is, expect plenty of great content that will feature that airframe. :)
No I think the DA 62 is closer. Because of safety aspects. Twin Engine vs. Parachute. The DA 50 is single engine and got no Parachute. The range is also less on the DA 50. So I think the better choice will be the DA 62.
@@mr.ginnationfunlifestyle3891 Thank God no parachute on the DA- 50.
@@ictpilot It's optional, certainly on the DA50 RG
Excellent video! I went through the same analysis 3 years ago and picked the Diamond DA62, because the advantages you highlighted were important to me. The modern engines were at the top of my list, followed by the useful load, efficiency, excellent handling and quality. 900 hours later, I know I made the right choice.
Nice comparison!
If I had the money to spare, I'd go with the Diamond.
- Two Engines (so there's some redundancy there)
- FADEC controlled engines greatly reduce pilot workload
- More fuel efficient below 14k
- Jet A1 is cheaper than AVGAS
- Greater payload capacity
- Longer range
The only problem with both of these airplane is that i can't afford one....
It is a great analogy that you did with engines, exactly no one would go to a dealership and order a new car and then request the dealer to put a WW2 era engine in it, that is what most GA airplanes are. Even worse most GA airplanes were designed in last century when none of the modern safety standards and requirements that these modern airplanes had to pass to get certified existed.
One important thing you missed is how many passengers you can carry on these, the da62 would beat the cirrus in that as well.
Overall both are great airplanes and i wish more manufacturers would move towards diesel engines like the diamond...
Cheers guys.
You're failing to account for the airplanes' useful load. Just because you have 6 seats doesn't mean you can fill them and meet book performance. You won't. That's what makes the Cirrus the better airplane for MOST missions. I can take 3 passengers plus bags and full fuel, and be right at max gross with a midrange CG. Solo, I can go FMY-BUF nonstop in a touch over 5 hours. Fill the seats, and I can still take full fuel, but I split the flight into two legs for my passengers bladders. Plus, it takes too long at max gross to get to FL200 or higher.
What safety standards where added to aircraft after the 60's except ADS-B? The cirrus only has the CAPS system because it had an unstable wing at low speeds
I'd certainly lean toward the Diamond; burning Jet-A is a huge plus in some places.
Yes, but maintenance and fixing it might a problem in the us
When we were buying an airplane, we were torn between both planes. They are pretty comparable besides the single vs multi engine. But at the end of the day we went with the DA62. Very easy to fly, FADEC is awesome.
It really makes you appreciate the work that Diamond has put into their aircraft
Well, the takeoff/landing distance (ft) for the Cirrus is 1517/1178, whereas the Diamond is 2897/2556...so, you can get in and out of much smaller airfields with the Cirrus, which I could see being a big factor for some.
This is a pretty good video, nice information, it would be been so much more useful if you had showing the numbers side by side instead of many minutes of awkwardly not looking at the camera? The music will drive many people crazy. You missed out information that people really want to know like cabin noise and seating moment, comfort, entry etc. Over all pretty good.
Funny to see you on here commenting. Hope you are doing good. I miss Becky
Was thinking the exact same thing.
Ironically, these are the 2 planes that I want the most.
Choose one of them don't be greedy.
A great evaluation of both aircraft - well done ! For me, I am very pleased I chose the Diamond DA62, which I consider the safest general aviation aircraft in the world today for so many reasons.
I would be happy with either Aircraft. However, to me the Diamond DA 62 would be my choice of Aircraft! Latest Technology, liquid cooled engines, larger, and I believe the “biggest Bang for the Buck!” I love everything about the Diamond DA 62!! Thank You for an Outstanding Comparison!!
I just did this comparison & bought a used SR-22T. For me, the service was more readily available, it fit in many of the hangars on the field & I could almost buy 2 2014 Cirrus for the price of the least expensive used DA-62s. Parts seem less expensive & more readily available & there is a Cirrus service center on my field. The insurance was less expensive on the Cirrus for me as well. I really like the DA-62, but will wait while they become more of a player. The DA-62 flew fantastic & is a great plane.
Congratulations! That was a lovely conundrum to have and no wrong choice. Clear skies and safe flying.
This. And congratulations. I also just purchased a 2014 SR22T, today in fact. I will soon be welcoming N520CT to my hangar.
Great video. Would rather have two engines than a chute. That being said, I’m curious what obstacles Diamond faced that kept a chute system from being installed. I wonder if G3000 will become available
One thing I didn't hear mentioned... You'll need to get your dual engine rating with the Diamond. Obviously.
The Da62 is such a beautiful aircraft! Inspite of what many purists would say, I would go for the fadec managed engines. Also bigger cabin with possibility ro have up to 7 occupants and more readily available fuel.
how can you compare single engine vs twin engine?
The DA62 is definitely on my radar but it would have been great to compare the STOL/off-airfield performance too.
If you're serious about STOL look at the Kodiak 100.
Is this a typical comparison your customers make: a single versus a twin, or are they choosing between, let's say, the Cirrus and a DA-40 or -50?
Dave, exactly. With the FADEC controlled engines (and just two levers for engine management, as opposed to having 6 with prop and mixture) our clients tell us the DA62 is as easy to fly as any single-engine airplane. We created this video because Diamond and Cirrus are the leaders in modern aviation and potential owners were comparing these two planes more than any other. Hope it is helpful!
@@LifeStyleAviation With those Austro engines it wouldn't surprise me if the fuel burn was pretty close to the Cirrus. Part of my preference for the Diamond is less practical, however: the smell of Jet-A reminds me of flying on airliners as a kid.
I'm not a pilot and I can't afford either of these planes but they are both super cool. Loved the video.
One item I wish they would address was the TBO for the Cirrus and the TBR for the Diamond. Personally I think the Diamond is hands down my favorite but I cant afford to replace the engines every 1400 hours.
These kind of comparisons is the reason why people love adblock... keep it coming. thanks for the free contents while i'm on the can
I’m really glad you pointed out the power plant disaster caused by FAA. They froze GA into the 50/60’s and they’ve been making excuses all this time on why there hasn’t a day of progress. They are still doing it with all this PAFI nonsense. Swift had to go out on their own and develop an unleaded aviation fuel. It’s beyond frustrating
How does the relative sales volumes compare? The 40% premium on the DA62 seems to be a big premium
I do love my DA62. My wife and I chose it over a Cirrus. Useful load was a significant factor in our choice as we (uncommonly) fly our plane often near gross. Both airplanes have a modern safety envelop that many older GA airplanes would be jealous of. Comparing these two airplanes is a bit difficult as the true mission profile of the two airplanes are different. I’m pretty confident most pilots would smile and say yes to any offer to fly either airplane. Thanks for the video.
This is no comparison... y’all are definitely selling the DA62 😉
They are heavily biased towards the DA-62, but I thought they were fair.
DA62 cost a lot more then SR22T
@@sfkim44 cuz it’s a twin engine why would a twin engine be the same price as the single engine
@Plane crash nation I know.
Good info! But This was the weirdest "who's he talking to" video I've ever seen.
Thanks for the feedback! We will take this into account when filming our next video!
This is a pretty common style in modern RUclips videos. Often the host is often looking at another camera talking but they play the video of them talking to that camera from another camera's perspective. It's just a style choice. I like it.
i know right
@@user8ZAKC1X6KC But there does seem to be a second camera, so it's just artifice. I find it distracting, as if the speaker is talking not to me but to some mysterious other 3 metres to my left or right.
Not enough hand movements
That's all fine and dandy, but what's this at 2:38?
LifeStyle: Could you do a comparison between the DA62 and the Cessna TTx?
Next week can you compare a A380 with a PC 12 NG..I can't decide!
Neither are as good as the C150.
A 380 diesel?
Thanks for the video. Two things, though...
1. You forgot to mention the advantage of onboard weather radar for the DA62.
2. The length for the DA62 was quoted as 109 in, while that of the Cirrus was 110 in. For the DA, was that for a 5 seater or 7 seater? That seems to be a really tight fit for a 7 seater.
Again, nice video.
FYI, in 2016, Cirrus redesigned the door latches that no longer require slamming to close.
I was a CFI at a major Flight School in Florida… We had a Diamond DA-62 in our fleet… What I remember most about it was… that it was constantly in the maintenance hanger with something broken and being repaired… I was told also that parts were more expensive, and they took longer to get shipped in… Our other twins were Piper Seminoles, and they were flying every day…
Thanku for taking the time and Thanku for your video production, very informative…
Good summary...might I suggest that the DA42 is a better comparison to the Cirrus. Or better yet the new DA50 so we see single engine to single engine.
A better perspective will be between DA50RG and the SRT 22. Love your Landi!
The diamond is a beauty. Wish I was rich
I would forgo the chute for the extra room and engine of the Diamond if the computer offers backup emergency management. I can't buy one but window shopping with you was fun and your presentation very very thorough and informative.
Love the Land Rover! Restoring a 1964 Series IIA 88" right now in that exact same color... Bronze Green. While I love my truck, I can't help but admit that some serious changes have occurred since then in engineering and technology.
I’ve flown Both Cirrus and Diamond 40 and disagree about the statement you made about the Cirrus control yoke! I find it a very relaxing flying without AutoPilot. Also, the doors don’t need to be slammed anymore. The huge negative with Diamond is hard seats, unless, they have softened them up.
Great video, down to the points, no fuss and unnecessary stories or personal crab that no one wants to know!! Thanks so much!
Outstanding comparison . Thank you
Love how you pulled out the range rover :D
how much is the prices between two...??
Absolutely excellent. Thank you guys, for leading GA , into the modern Era.
Thank you for watching!
Man, you sold me. I'll take the Diamond 1,000 to one over the single. Thanks for all the positive information and your honest opinion.
Lifestyle! Nice video, you're stepping up your youtube game. And keeping the fohawk alive!
Ok, sold on the Diamond 💎. Cirrus has better marketing and pilot support. Can you make some flight videos of the Diamond including the avionics overview and the autopilot?
Great request! We'll look at creating something more in depth. In the meantime, we have a number of other videos on the DA62 on this channel as well as the Diamond Aircraft channel. Check out this one for more: ruclips.net/video/m_g76ex4qNo/видео.html
Great video pity the camera he was looking at wasn't working?
Inaccurate max cruise speed shown for the Cirrus @ 3:55 . The figure shown is the speed for an SR22 (~182kts), not an SR22T (213kts).
At which altitude?
Very simple and well done. Thanks, Sam
Great video. This is a comparison I was waiting to see. Thanks. One thing missing from your comparison is service availability. I suspect the Austro engines have a lot more proprietary parts and service requirements as you would expect from the new tech. How does access to service, time to service (AOG) compare?
Austro engines are basically Mercedes engines.
Parts will not be a problem, but maybe finding the qualified people needed to fit them will depending on your location.
Selling under a thousand engines a year doesn't bode well for access to service.
The "Lamborghini Style" doors really don't need to be slammed on the Cirrus G6 or the 2016 G5, which have the lever-style door handles on the exterior. From inside, just pull them gently into place and push the handle down. From the outside, they either latch when gently closed, or if you give them a gentle press.
The pre-2016 planes with the pushbutton latch on the exterior did need to be closed more forcefully to make them engage.
On the Diamond, does the computer automatically feather the prop of the good engine in a failure?
Very nice video, thank you. Two beautiful modern aircraft.
The. D? A 62. If I'm not mistaken just had an issue? Where the pilot lost both engines because of one wire? It's supposed to be Redundant. but the bus system was common.
Good job. 👍
Your pace and explanations easy to follow and listen to. Keep it up.
The fact that I, someone who knows very few people, know someone who was killed in a cirrus due to mechanical failure, is exactly why I will never own one
What takeoff distance Diamond DA62 4 persons full fuel on grass field?
Car wizard you always amaze me when i saw you standing next to the aeroplane i you said that you use to work on citation i am also a retired d haviland dash 8 areoplane mechanic that is why you are an excellent auto mechanic .
This different airplanes, it would be fair to compare SR22 to something like Pipistrel Panthera
Well the Da42 would be a better comparison, while my personal preference is for the twin Diamonds, all three are lovely aircraft. Would love to be able to get my PPL and buy something like this.
A 400k delta plus 2 engines to maintain at half the TBO each.. Parachute versus a second engine is also a never-ending philosophical-style hangar conversation... I would have gone for Diamond only if it were far less expensive..
I'd take the parachute any day
Lovely comparison and interesting video.
Wouldn’t the DA-42 be a more accurate comparison?
8:53 the upper left corner of that console panel is popping out of the dash, that's not good.
In non-pressurized aircraft, one might have to descend rapidly. No "shock" cooling in da62 due to liquid cool temp reg.
Excellent video, very clear and concise!
I wouldn't choose either one of these for that price range...the true choice is the Piper M350. Six passenger, pressurized cabin, latest tech and safety options, and easily cruises over 200kts in the low 20s to range of over 1,300 nm.
Great video Sam! Do you have any data you can share about the depreciation of the Cirrus vs the Diamond?
Not really a “nose-to nose” comparison when you are comparing a Single-Engine that uses AVGAS, with a Multi-Engine aircraft that uses FADEC-controlled Jet-A engines.
It is a perfect comparison when you realize nearly everyone in the market for either plane will likely consider both...
Excellent and relevant comparison of the two most top of the line currently manufactured General Aviation piston aircraft. Helps explain why the DA62 is worth the price premium. A closer comparison would be the Cirrus SR22T vs. the Diamond DA42-VI. Nearly identical cost, interior dimensions, useful load, and performance, but the DA42-VI has much better engine out climb performance.
the only thing that worries me is the ground personnel accidiently filling the DA62 with 100LL avgas since they are used to only filling jets or turboporops with JetA
Awesome and informative video, thank you.
I wonder if the d62 will ever be equipped with a parachute.
For all people complaining that one is SEP and the other MEP, you have to realise that in terms of performance the Cirrus has the edge. Those two engines on the Diamond are quite small
Thank you for this! Well done!
DA62: Can the passenger side control stick be removed [and returned] for non pilot passengers?
Yes.
Can DA62 place a parachute from SR22?
Or
Can SR22 place 2 engines like DA62?
Fun video. Ummm, you didn't mention the MEL requirement. Would have also liked much more about the avionics and FMS. Also oxygen, AC, and harness are major comfort items. What about ice? I guess both are nice fixed gear. Rough fields? Want to see pax interiors. What is boarding like.
Diamond looked like it had retractable gear.
Chris Stacy The 62 is retractable.
Get your MEL in 5-10 hours for about $1,000 if you only need an instructor - do it in your own DA62. Lots of folks do it that way. The DA62 is significantly easier to fly than the Cirrus - and more fun. Avionics/FMS are basically the same G1000 units, although Cirrus calls it something different. Both have FIKI (Flight Into Known Icing), oxygen, and AC as available options. The DA62 also has an excellent onboard radar as an option, the Cirrus does not. Harnesses are about the same. DA62 has a far more spacious and comfortable interior. The DA62 has much larger tires than its predecessor (the DA42-VI) and was designed for the European market, where a bulk of the airfields are grass. Unbelievably cushy trailing link suspension on the mains make a hard landing almost impossible. Front seat access is easier than pretty much any small aircraft out there. No twisting or contorting. Flip up the hinged thigh support, stand straight up, grab the hand holds in the top frame, and (here's the trick even a lot of DA62 owners don't know) step in with your outside leg first, slide over and sit straight down. I'm old and feeble and have no problem with it. Middle row entry is even easier.
wouldnt it be more fair to compare the sr22 to a da42 ?
How can you compare a twin and single?
Good video but two other things would have been nice. Given these will most likely be owner flown, with wife, kids, dog, and bags, what is the full fuel load and what is full fuel zero wind range? I am a Diamond fan. I learned in them and have ~ 160 to 175 hours if you count Super Dimona time. I suppose given the price of the aircraft , and after private, instrument and maybe commercial ratings some might not consider multi and multi instrument ratings to be that big of a deal but it would be a potential add on in time and cost to getting the DA-62 that would not figure into the Cirrus as I would have to do. Either way, you cannot go wrong. They are both damn fine aircraft. Thank you and be safe.
Fantastic presentation well done..You pointed out a very valid concern for the aviation community.. The Cirrus is unbelievably beautiful plane. The design, interior, avionics are second to none... But the engine is fifty plus years old.. They say the TBO on these engines are around 2000 hours but how many really make it past 600 hours before they need a top over haul.. The Diamond on the other hand has the AE 330 engine made by Mercedes and probably manufactured in the hundreds of thousand a year and the cost is a fraction of either the two traditional aircraft engine manufactures. One has to wonder why in this modern day and age with such a perfect aircraft as the Cirrus is, they would want to use such an old engine...
The NAs do pretty well in terms of engine longevity. The turbos do tend to need cylinders. You can avoid this if you're really scrupulous about managing temperatures, but it's a challenge.
@@MikeKobb that's where the FADEC comes in to play. Never flown a Cirrus but have a good amount of time on a DA42. Based on what you said about managing the temperatures, having the FADEC and trusting it to keep your engine parameters where they need to be would be a great peace of mind to have.
@@vitorgamba4736 Yeah, assuming that the FADEC is doing the right thing. One thing that some folks have observed is that Continental's guidance for operating the TSIO-550 recommends an operating temperature range that is frankly too hot on the high end. No problem if you're managing your own engine, because you can just run it cooler. But, if you had a FADEC version of the 550 and Continental chose to program the FADEC to those limits, there may not be much you can do to avoid long term problems. Don't get me wrong. I want a FADEC engine, but you are giving up some control to whoever programs that controller.
@@MikeKobb that's interesting to hear. But I guess even on a FADEC engine you could dial power back a little if that would be the case on one. Like on the regular engine, you would be losing some power to run it cooler and I don't see any way the FADEC could forcefully drive the temps up but I'm no expert.
Hopefully SR-22 & Bonanza will get one of the new Continental TDIs up front in the near future
How reliable is the Avgas engine ,compared to the de jet fuel engine (diesel) of these two aircrafts? I Understand that the diesel engine has proportionally less parts than the avgas engine. Are there statistics about reliability comparisons? Thanks.
Much less reliable. Modern car engines just don't quit out of the blue like designs from the 1960's
I’m sure someone has asked to compare the sr22t vs diamond da 52 rg
Up next, a groundbreaking comparison between the venerable C172 skyhawk and the formidable F35 lightening!
comparing a twin engine and single engine might as well compare the a62 and the cirrus G2+ vison jet
If I had to choose between the two I'd go with the DA-62. If I can choose a plane for any plane for a $1M I'd get a used Piper M500. Turbine reliability, pressurized cabin and not climbing up a wing would be the selling points for me.
or just a matrix for 500 grand less. speed, larger, and a near infinite fuel supply to buy with your 500k savings
Love this video. Question for you, how tall are you?
Thanks for this video very informative.
Is insuring either airplane a consideration? I heard, not sure if true, if parachute is deployed in Cirrus, the plane is totaled.....
I'd tend to think it would be totaled...that's gotta be a rough landing with the chute.
The comparison should be between this cirrus to the diamond DA50 RG..
I clicked LIKE in the first 5 seconds of this video. Both these planes are my favourite......😍
A multi-enigne rating in the aircraft, in this case a Diamond DA62, would take for a competent pilot, about 10 hours. The rating is not a factor. However, currency is a factor. High performance singles require more than 3 takeoffs and landings every 90 days, but a twin needs even more recency of experience. For a pilot that flies very regularly, the twin is no problem. For a pilot that flies every few weeks, the single would be a better option and in that case, get the DA50. I really don't like flying with old air-cooled engines. This young man was very kind talking about the big Continental... they are maintenance hogs. The Diamond had a batch of engines with bad pistons, but that has been rectified. I would trust my life with the Austro's. I'd love a DA62!
Also mention, as a pilot, you have to spend the extra $10+ thousand to get a multi-engine rating to fly the DA-62 and maintenance on two engines verse maintenance on one
I'm sure when you are buying a $1.4 million airplane it doesn't quite factor in.
Lol how is anyone spending 10k for a multi rating? Only takes 5-6hrs, maybe 10hrs if you’re having issues in training. SR22 will require a similar amount of flight time by a Cirrus instructor to qualify for insurance coverage, and the insurance is much more expensive due to the CAPS.
@@Alex-us2vw What? Do insurance companies punish people for having CAPS?
Let me guess, they don't have to pay out if the accident is fatal?....
@@benghazi4216 of course they need to pay on a fatal accident.
The insurance is higher due to people pulling the caps for minor issues, and writing off the hull. Can usually get a single down with minor damage or no damage on a forced approach, and giving up and going caps when accidentally VFR into IMC is not an option.
From what I’ve seen though insurance is much higher. I own and fly a PA30 which is insured for $2500 per year, and my friend has a SR22 paying $13k per year. Apparently even the SR20 has elevated rates compared to a similar value 172 (don’t know anyone with an SR20 through)
which one has higher load capacity
Perfect amount of info. and the comments are mostly well thought out. --- You make some good points, everyone. ---
Would it be possible to compare the DA40 turbo diesel? That plane is available now while the DA50 is some time out.
Designed and built in this Century. Love it!