I had an SR22T and bought the DA50 and I love it When touring there are no worries about finding jet fuel and it makes crossing Europe so much easier. It’s a joy to fly
Cirrus SR22T G7 owner here and I appreciate the perspectives in this video. Two amazing planes for sure and a solid list of pros and cons to each, depending upon your mission profile. SR22T fits my needs a little better but the DA50 is one gorgeous, impressive plane!
IMO Cirrus SR22 wins. Let me count the ways 1. Fixed gear, less maintenance and lower insurance cost. 2. Annuals, way less expensive. 3. Service network 100x better for Cirrus. 4. Liquid cooling more maintenance and more expensive (and quite finicky). 5. Geared engines, again $$$ to maintain and overhaul (and quite finicky). 6. DA50 will not fit in standard T hangars. deal killer unless you're in corn country. 7. Data Entry on G6/G7 Cirrus is a generation ahead of the old G1000 in the DA50. That is one weird keypad there Mr. Diamond. 8. G7 Perspective is amazing, 2 generations ahead of Diamond. Touch screen, split screen with approach plates prominently displayed, truly amazing. 9. Finally, if/when your luck runs out CAPS is a proven life saver. Don't care how much of an expert pilot one might be, when it's low IFR and things stop turning, you are not gliding to a safe landing anywhere. Mission specific of course, where avgas is unavailable or super expensive (EU) the DA50 might make sense. For me I sold my DA62 and am very happy with my SR22T that fits in the T hangar, is reliable, and a pleasure to fly!
Thank you! I plan on buying my own airplane and even though I LOVE the flying experience in a Diamond, I am still concerned about what it's like to actually own an airplane ass it would be my first airplane.
Avionics can be upgraded if you want. I say this as an Avionics Technician. 😁 Cirrus is the mindless choice, like iPhones. The Diamond is much sexier in person and not burning expensive leaded fuel is a plus. Service Network? Any A&P or IA can work on it. Like your car, you don't need to go to the dealer. And nobody with the budget for a Cirrus is using a cramped T-hangar or ramp tie downs. Here's a better choice than either of them - Lancair Evolution.
Completely agree! I was intrigued by the DA50 at first, but when you dive in to it, it’s just going to end up costing more than it any sensible person should spend.
I bought a Bristell during the pandemic and totally love it. I’ve flown the DA 40 and it’s a great airplane. My next airplane will probably be the new Bristell with the Rotax 916 engine, Retracts and adjustable prop. It’s cheaper than a new cirrus, DA 40 or DA 50 and probably faster and more economical. Who needs four seats? If you do well, that’s a different story.
Hangar space is an issue for the DA50 and 62. But other than that, Diamond all day long over Cirrus. Burns Jet-A, does auto run-up, more comfortable cabin, looks fantastic. Cirrus does win on pure performance data, and the chute give some folks peace of mind. Two great planes for sure.
I have flown both the SR22 and Diamond DA62. ( 800 hours in the SR22 and 150 in the DA62) As much as I like the handling and fit&finish of all Diamond planes, range & speed of the 50 is too low. Continental CD300 is diesel/fadec but underpowered only 270hp continuous power. Also, the chute is an important safety feature, Diamonds argument that you cannot stall the plane is valid but you still have best case a 60 knot forward speed when you land. At the end it depends on mission and personal preference. Both great choices.
The 62 doesn't have a parachute either. Diamond has the best safety record in the industry. They have the lowest fatalities per 1,000 aircraft out of any other manufacturer. It doesn't matter what Cirrus puts on that plane, you're safer off sitting in a Diamond.
I love them both, they have pros and cons for sure. As a pilot who truly loves to fly, feel the plane, hands on... I find myself leaning Diamond lately. I have more time in Diamonds, looking to buy a 40 or even 42 perhaps, and if the math works out like I think it will then a 50 or 62 will be in my future. That being said, a local flying club has a Cirrus SR22T for a reasonable rate, after taking a few trips in it later this year or early next... this all may change. Either way, thanks for the good content LifeStyle!
If I ever get the money, the perfect solution is 1-DA40NG, 1-DA50, 1-DA62, 1-SR22T, and 1-Cirrus Vision Jet! The only problem I'll have is WHICH plane to fly for a specific trip! Oh, the difficulties in that life!🤣😅
I haven't flown in literally decades. I'm not current, LORAN was the new and upcoming thing the last time I flew! LOL IF I could fly again, neither the Cirrus nor the DA-50, but I WOULD take the DA-42. I'm single, and would be looking for something I could fly alone, or with a friend or two, and have the redundancy of two engines. I realize the AE engines are pretty reliable, but I'd like two. The Continental engine is still relatively new, and I don't think it's TBO is all that high yet. Fuel burn for the larger Continental versus the smaller AE engines works out to almost the same thing. The DA50 might be a tad faster, but I like the concept of two engines.
@@theracer6882 It still looks like it's 1,200 hours or 12 years, and a couple of years ago, the price of a new engine was north of $120,000. I can't imagine what it would be now. I wonder what they will give you in exchange for the core?
I'm not an owner, just an enthusiast and former pilot.....but it would be a tough choice. I would pick the Diamond I believe due to similar reasons, where I used to also fly the DA40 and loved it especially with the center stick and the styling of it with the extra room. But Cirrus' parachute and livery options are amazing.
SR22T owner here. I looked seriously at the Diamond and Cirrus and concluded that the Cirrus has an infinitely better support network. Wait till you're stranded and then tell us how great Diamond is. Let us know when Diamond is going to update the G1000 to include visual approaches! Tell us how easy it was to find a hanger to fit your airplane. No comparison. And when you're out of options, would you prefer to descend with a chute at 15-20 kts down to the ground or try to land at 60 kts keeping in mind that kinetic energy goes at the square of the speed!
If you need your avionics to do visual approaches you need to go back to flight school to learn how to look outside. I fly at a 141 that operates Cirrus sr20s and Sr22 and Cirrus have been terrible with their support when it comes to service bulletins and AD's. The rocket ignitor AD put us out of action for 5 months because Cirrus was putting us at the bottom of the pile. After all, we were an operator and not a single customer. We've had alternator failures almost every 50 to 70 flight hours in the SR20 due to the extreme heat where we are. It’s come to the point where the bonanzas the school also operates are more reliable than the cirrus and are way more fun to fly.
first, I have no flight hours in either plane but I would prefer the DA50. I am totally loving the look of the plane, and all I have read about it so far. I fly 172 currently.
Working on commercial in a DA40 G1000, did instrument in it and have a couple hundred hours. However, with 70hrs in a SR22 G2, I’m definitely taking it on trips - as we did to KOSH in July. I would rather see the performance specs on the DA50 because for a $1 million, it better cruise faster than 178tas or it’s not working for me.
I think i was flying there when this was filmed. I rember taxing to 19 talking with my instructor about how a sr22t at the south ramp when we passed both of thoes planes sitting on the tower ramp was like yeahh thats another reason the DA50 is my new drram plane because it looks so nice. The plane where sitting side by side.
Cirrus pilot here. I was in doubt between DA50 and SR22T. Here in the Rocky Mountains, there is a definite winner, and it’s not a DA50. No matter how good pilot you are and how great your airplane glides, you will not make it to any suitable landing spot. I disagree on the leg room statement. Cirrus is roomy for 4 not a small people. I also disagree with a side stick, cirrus is very enjoyable to fly by hand, however I never flew diamond. I wish that cirrus had a FADEC engine I don’t like ancient engine in such technically advanced aircraft. The interior- cirrus is a clear winner. Exterior- I probably like DA more. If diamond features a BRS system one day and a little bit more powerful engine for higher speed, I would definitely choose DA due to additional 2 doors.
The interior/exterior are personal reperformances. That's not a debate worth having. For me the modern diesel engines and use of Jet A is a HUGE win for Diamond aircraft as a whole. Because I agree with you the the Cirrus SR22 is a very nice and advanced plane held back by outdated engine technology.
@@sweetcheels Ah good eye. I totally missed where he said he'd never flown a Diamond. I definitely agree, if he hasn't flown a DA50. He has nothing but an SR22 owner's bias.
I have 800 hours time, half of it in a Cirrus and the other half in a DA 40. I was very excited for the Da50 initially. That said, it is more expensive than the Cirrus, has a much lower ceiling, much less range, Is not nearly as fast, and has a 44 foot wingspan vs 37 for the Cirrus and therefore will not fit in most hangars. That said, there are some advantages such as using cheaper JetA fuel (appeals to Euro folks especially), a slightly larger cabin, and a better glide ratio.
Hmm...The real next level, pressurizing. As a result, I still prefer a pressurized Centurion /C210 with an updated panel, ....to either the Cirrus or Diamond. The other benefit - While Cirrus has a solid support network, Cessna is superior.
The biggest thing I notice is the flight deck of the 50 looks like a total mess compared to the g6, let alone the G7. I've got a bit over 500 hours in my G6 turbo and I've considered a 62 but the 50 makes very little sense to me. I fly with my family. We live in the PNW. You're over mountains and thick forests often, the chute just makes sense. We go all up and down the west coast and the routes I take in the Cirrus vs the 182 I had before are vastly different due to the chute backup plan. The Cirrus is by far and away the best seller for good reason. Weather capability of the turbo with the TKS and the climb rate you get makes that machine a beast.
Diamonds have options for chutes. Diamond pilots typically don’t get them because despite not having them, they have a good safety rating and they handle well during stalls and failures. Diamonds are made for pilots. And Cirrus are made for people who want to be pilots with a huge emphasis on human factors. Not a dig at Cirrus pilots. It’s just how they pretty much came into play.
@@danielreuter2565 i was talking purchase price, relax, a PT6 is proven common turbine you’ll have more luck getting it worked on than these new diamond diesel engines.
It's super slow, like 182 speeds, limited range, no baggage door, horrible company support, higher insurance, higher purchase price, more maintenance... I can keep going. There's literally nothing that it's better at.
If you live in America choose Cirrus because wings shorter. Diamond 50rg don’t fit inside traditional t-hangars that are in the U.S. also operating cost is lower, and they can fly higher faster further.
The DA50 is for sure the cooler plane but I'm not really sure where it fits in the market exactly other than cool guy appeal. If you are looking for a solid plane for cross country/pleasure flying, an SR22T has better performance, a G3000 avionics suite instead of just G1000 NXI if you get a G7, much better support as far as authorized maintenance facilities go, a parachute for safety and isn't a retract which is way better for insurance purposes. The only reason to have retractable gear is to reduce the drag and get the speed up but the SR22T is faster so all it does on the DA50 RG is make insurance harder to get and more costly while adding systems that can break and need maintenance. As far as I can tell there is no reason to buy a DA50 RG over an SR22T as a plane to own and fly other than like I said the cool factor. If building complex/retract time to move on to bigger and better things is the goal, there are much cheaper options that you can take delivery of way faster than waiting for Diamond to build you a DA50 RG. Besides there is no reason to spend so much on a plane that you are using for time building and are ultimately moving on from in 6 months to a year ideally. So I guess if you think the DA50 RG looks cooler and just have to have the cool kid appeal of a retract, and don't mind giving up the safety of the parachute and the better performance and avionics if you get a G7 to get it, the DA50 RG is the way to go. But cut out the emotional cook kid appeal and the SR22T G6 or G7 is objectively the better plane.
I think the analysis of gliding the DA-50 into a field “under control” versus pulling the parachute is pretty flawed. Even fields that look inviting from the air can have furrows, ruts, rocks, hidden walls, and hard-to-see fences and wires. DA-50 stall speed is 58 knots, or about 65 miles per hour. If you manage a full-stall landing, you still have to bring 65mph to a stop, and the plane weighs over 3,000 pounds *empty*. The Cirrus descends at 12 knots under the parachute, and has structures specifically designed (and proven) to absorb the remaining energy. I would take the Cirrus over the DA-50 in an engine failure scenario almost always. That said, I’d sure like to have a more modern Jet-A engine in the Cirrus.
@@MikeMFnJones1 - When you get Spacial D at the wrong time, have a heart attack or the engine quits in the dark...you (and your ego) will think otherwise.
Having a modern engine does not guarantee a high percentage of reliability. Where I fly, we have several DA40s that run on Jet A1. I have already suffered 2 power losses (power limitation following a fault detected by the calculator) due to lack of maintenance (yes, experienced mechanics are also needed for a technology that is still poorly mastered in aviation). I affirm that it is an unpleasant sensation...
It’s a little amusing at times how much it seems like it takes. I am around 20M and one of those new is about like buying a new combine with heads. A fairly standard purchase, but to spend it on a pure luxury item in the lower 1 million range seems like way too much atm. $400,000 for a Malibu is in the cards. This being said I’m probably 10 or more years younger than that gentleman and I just had a new house built. Take away the new house and it’s not really too much of an issue.
@lifestyleaviation You didn’t really compare and contrast the DA50 to the SR22T. What are the upsides & downsides of the DA50 compared to the SR22T G7? Cirrus owns the GA market, how can this aircraft be a better choice? You didn’t even mention Cirrus’ famed CAPS parachute system, how can the DA50 possibly compare to that? You didn’t compare. 🤷🏾♂️
Don’t forget that 100LL is becoming scarce and more expensive as well as considered not environmentally sustainable. Which is not the case for Jet fuel…
DA 50 would be my choice. Modern engine in comparison to the old tech Cirrus. I also prefer a center stick. The DA is NOT made by a Chinese State owned company.
I don't understand. You don't use rudder on a Cirrus? I've never flown one, but I've flown a Diamond DA42 twin and with both engines operating I wouldn't really call it "rudder intensive".
@@igclapp Well I flew quite a lot in Diamond planes some 15 to 20 years ago (DA-20/40/42) and all require quite a lot of rudder to coordinate turns (without yaw-damper). This is due to their high aspect ratio wings and the lack of rear fuselage surface . A Piper Seminole requires very little rudder while the DA-42 is like a glider and requires constant rudder inputs. At least that is how I remember my dissatisfaction with Diamond planes. I really did not like their need of rudder inputs to fly coordinated turns compared to other light singles and twins. I haven’t flown a prop since 2007 and modern civilian jets are “rudder free” airplanes, so maybe my judgment and memory is clouded.
I would rather buy a good Commander and spend the time/money to improve it than spend 18 months out of the first 24 fixing manufacturing defects and waiting for replacement parts. I think the Super Commander is a more logical choice than the Diamond da50.
Between the two Cirrus is a much better option, fixed gear, air cooled, has parachute and has side yoke. On those long cross country flights center stick will be very uncomfortable. Even for getting in and out center stick is uncomfortable. Personally I went with a Columbia, in my opinion it is best of both worlds, fast, efficient, and fun to fly.
Getting in/out takes 30 seconds and should not be a factor when considering which plane to purchase. A center stick does not really make sitting uncomfortable considering you are not trying to cross your legs. Maybe if you want o use a large kneeboard or ipad on your leg. The Cirrus side stick is a clear winner over a yoke, but not a center stick...they are pretty equal.
@@justsmy5677 If you have older family members or friends and they struggle to get in because of the center stick, they might not fly with you more than once. I think center stick makes a lot of sense on aerobatic planes like Extra-300 or Yak-55, but not on cruise machines.
@@GaryMCurran I have quite a bit of time behind the controls of the DA 42. Most people don’t know the ECU has excite batteries that gives you about 30 minutes when you get an alternator failure. No thanks I’ll take the self producing coil please 👍
@@lukebelvin4900 Two engines, two alternators, two batteries (at least)? Yeah, I guess you could find something that would take out the entire electrical system, but what are the odds? It's an individual thing, and I respect your opinion. For me, it doesn't matter anyway, since my medical is long expired and I probably can't renew it, but in a DA-42 I think a lot of bad things would have to happen to get you to the point of no engines. A DA-50, or a DA-40, maybe not as much.
@@GaryMCurran I've had two alternator failures so far in my flying career.. never say never! One was at night and I can tell you I was very happy to know I had two beautiful magnetos helping me get back on the ground :)
Besides that he thinks he has a carb in his cirrus. Some one should probably give him a lesson so he doesn't have to sit there and constantly fight the trim in a cirrus. It's one of the easiest planes to hand fly.
There is no category (Speed, Range, useful load) where the DA50 beats the SR22T. And the DA50 has so many problems and Diamond has terrible after sales service. The only advantage of the DA50 is that it is the more “docil” aircraft.
Both are massively overpriced and unimpressive. For the price I would choose an Eclipse 500 twin jet. But so so so much better is trivially possible. An actually light aerodynamic 4 seater with two small turbofan jet engines could do double the speed of either and with better fuel economy. So obvious and no one is doing it.
@@MikeMFnJones1 A used Eclipse is similar price. A new one would be more expensive but shouldn't be. Biggest problem is that Prat and Whitney want a million dollars each for the tiny engines. A good 4 seater twin jet should be 100k new. It's just a composite balloon with a couple of space heaters and wheelbarrow wheels.
100%. I paid $1.2m for my Eclipse. I use about 100 gallons to fly 500 miles at 340 Knots at FL380 (can go to FL410). Maintenance looks to average around $30k/year (4 year was $42k, but next 3 years will be $5k, $10k, $5k plus maybe new batteries during that time). Pressurized, super quiet, extremely safe. Centerline thrust so losing an engine even at Vr is a piece of cake and won't kill you (unlike a King Air). I can't imagine paying $1m for an unpressurized single engine piston.
@@rickdc3 very nice. The Eclipse stands out but I've done the math, way way way better should be available. If people saw what was readily possible it would blow their minds. It's not even remotely high tech, just modestly disciplined engineering with known construction techniques.
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I had an SR22T and bought the DA50 and I love it
When touring there are no worries about finding jet fuel and it makes crossing Europe so much easier. It’s a joy to fly
have you had alot of warrenty issues and was it hard getting them fixed?
@@hlwade No, on both of your “concerns.”
Cirrus SR22T G7 owner here and I appreciate the perspectives in this video. Two amazing planes for sure and a solid list of pros and cons to each, depending upon your mission profile. SR22T fits my needs a little better but the DA50 is one gorgeous, impressive plane!
Great to hear from an SR22T G7 owner! Glad the SR22T works well for you. The DA50 is definitely a beaut!
@@LifeStyleAviation I think the owner in this video has the opinion I would share: one of each!
The SR22T miss FADEC and eventually Jet Fuel engine. I was hopping a SR22 or DA50 with the EPS engine
The retract time will be the big benefit for choosing the diamond. Great choices!
Going Diamond all the way Da40, Da62 have convinced me, Da50 looks like it flies the way it looks 👌🏾
We can attest that it sure does fly as beautifully as it looks!
Just wait till you need parts or service, you will only wait a few months to a year. I would absolutely never take one of their planes even for free.
@@nxfedlt1 Ask any Cirrus owner, wait time on parts is always a big issue. The difference in that regard is moot.
@@danblumelI’ve heard that Diamond owners have that same issue, and even worse issues with the warranty.
That instructor did not have an ounce of trust 😂
His hover over that stick was making me nervous just watching it
Very annoying watching the instructor keeping his hands on the controls
Agree the guy was 1000ft over the ground lol
This plane is in my sights, about 2 years out and I'm ready!!
Love to hear it! Reach out to our team when you're ready😊
Will it fit in a T hangar?
IMO Cirrus SR22 wins. Let me count the ways 1. Fixed gear, less maintenance and lower insurance cost. 2. Annuals, way less expensive. 3. Service network 100x better for Cirrus. 4. Liquid cooling more maintenance and more expensive (and quite finicky). 5. Geared engines, again $$$ to maintain and overhaul (and quite finicky). 6. DA50 will not fit in standard T hangars. deal killer unless you're in corn country. 7. Data Entry on G6/G7 Cirrus is a generation ahead of the old G1000 in the DA50. That is one weird keypad there Mr. Diamond. 8. G7 Perspective is amazing, 2 generations ahead of Diamond. Touch screen, split screen with approach plates prominently displayed, truly amazing. 9. Finally, if/when your luck runs out CAPS is a proven life saver. Don't care how much of an expert pilot one might be, when it's low IFR and things stop turning, you are not gliding to a safe landing anywhere. Mission specific of course, where avgas is unavailable or super expensive (EU) the DA50 might make sense. For me I sold my DA62 and am very happy with my SR22T that fits in the T hangar, is reliable, and a pleasure to fly!
I’ve heard warranty on the DA 62 is completely atrocious
Thank you! I plan on buying my own airplane and even though I LOVE the flying experience in a Diamond, I am still concerned about what it's like to actually own an airplane ass it would be my first airplane.
Avionics can be upgraded if you want. I say this as an Avionics Technician. 😁 Cirrus is the mindless choice, like iPhones. The Diamond is much sexier in person and not burning expensive leaded fuel is a plus. Service Network? Any A&P or IA can work on it. Like your car, you don't need to go to the dealer. And nobody with the budget for a Cirrus is using a cramped T-hangar or ramp tie downs.
Here's a better choice than either of them - Lancair Evolution.
@@TecnamTwin I agree with everything you said, except the last part. I loved the Evolution, but I'll pass as it's an experimental.
Completely agree! I was intrigued by the DA50 at first, but when you dive in to it, it’s just going to end up costing more than it any sensible person should spend.
I bought a Bristell during the pandemic and totally love it. I’ve flown the DA 40 and it’s a great airplane. My next airplane will probably be the new Bristell with the Rotax 916 engine, Retracts and adjustable prop. It’s cheaper than a new cirrus, DA 40 or DA 50 and probably faster and more economical. Who needs four seats? If you do well, that’s a different story.
Hangar space is an issue for the DA50 and 62. But other than that, Diamond all day long over Cirrus. Burns Jet-A, does auto run-up, more comfortable cabin, looks fantastic. Cirrus does win on pure performance data, and the chute give some folks peace of mind. Two great planes for sure.
I have flown both the SR22 and Diamond DA62. ( 800 hours in the SR22 and 150 in the DA62) As much as I like the handling and fit&finish of all Diamond planes, range & speed of the 50 is too low. Continental CD300 is diesel/fadec but underpowered only 270hp continuous power. Also, the chute is an important safety feature, Diamonds argument that you cannot stall the plane is valid but you still have best case a 60 knot forward speed when you land.
At the end it depends on mission and personal preference. Both great choices.
If I recall cirrus CAPs decent touchdown is in the neighborhood of 1700fpm+ which def isn't soft
The 62 doesn't have a parachute either. Diamond has the best safety record in the industry. They have the lowest fatalities per 1,000 aircraft out of any other manufacturer. It doesn't matter what Cirrus puts on that plane, you're safer off sitting in a Diamond.
I love them both, they have pros and cons for sure. As a pilot who truly loves to fly, feel the plane, hands on... I find myself leaning Diamond lately. I have more time in Diamonds, looking to buy a 40 or even 42 perhaps, and if the math works out like I think it will then a 50 or 62 will be in my future. That being said, a local flying club has a Cirrus SR22T for a reasonable rate, after taking a few trips in it later this year or early next... this all may change. Either way, thanks for the good content LifeStyle!
If I ever get the money, the perfect solution is 1-DA40NG, 1-DA50, 1-DA62, 1-SR22T, and 1-Cirrus Vision Jet! The only problem I'll have is WHICH plane to fly for a specific trip! Oh, the difficulties in that life!🤣😅
I haven't flown in literally decades. I'm not current, LORAN was the new and upcoming thing the last time I flew! LOL IF I could fly again, neither the Cirrus nor the DA-50, but I WOULD take the DA-42. I'm single, and would be looking for something I could fly alone, or with a friend or two, and have the redundancy of two engines. I realize the AE engines are pretty reliable, but I'd like two. The Continental engine is still relatively new, and I don't think it's TBO is all that high yet. Fuel burn for the larger Continental versus the smaller AE engines works out to almost the same thing. The DA50 might be a tad faster, but I like the concept of two engines.
42 is a mighty nice airplane
Continental cd-300 on da50 doesn't have tbo. It has tbr, time between replacement.
@@theracer6882 It still looks like it's 1,200 hours or 12 years, and a couple of years ago, the price of a new engine was north of $120,000. I can't imagine what it would be now. I wonder what they will give you in exchange for the core?
I'm not an owner, just an enthusiast and former pilot.....but it would be a tough choice. I would pick the Diamond I believe due to similar reasons, where I used to also fly the DA40 and loved it especially with the center stick and the styling of it with the extra room. But Cirrus' parachute and livery options are amazing.
SR22T owner here. I looked seriously at the Diamond and Cirrus and concluded that the Cirrus has an infinitely better support network. Wait till you're stranded and then tell us how great Diamond is. Let us know when Diamond is going to update the G1000 to include visual approaches! Tell us how easy it was to find a hanger to fit your airplane. No comparison. And when you're out of options, would you prefer to descend with a chute at 15-20 kts down to the ground or try to land at 60 kts keeping in mind that kinetic energy goes at the square of the speed!
If you need your avionics to do visual approaches you need to go back to flight school to learn how to look outside. I fly at a 141 that operates Cirrus sr20s and Sr22 and Cirrus have been terrible with their support when it comes to service bulletins and AD's. The rocket ignitor AD put us out of action for 5 months because Cirrus was putting us at the bottom of the pile. After all, we were an operator and not a single customer. We've had alternator failures almost every 50 to 70 flight hours in the SR20 due to the extreme heat where we are. It’s come to the point where the bonanzas the school also operates are more reliable than the cirrus and are way more fun to fly.
No one cares that you fly 141. It doesn’t make you better. You’ve paid into a scam lil buddy.
Who is the assisting flight instructor; of the best I’ve seen, I’ve been flying since 1979
That's Franklin Steele, our training and delivery pilot. He's great!
Brilliant kid. Does he have a RUclips channel? I had the privilege to train many instructors in the UK and he is top class.
DA50 doesn’t fit in a T-hangar. That’s my biggest issue. 😂
That's the reason I bought an SR22T instead of a DA62 a couple of years ago.
@@408windrunner I know! He couldn't think of a gayer reason. 😁
We need folding wingtips 😂
Can't wait to see a turbine swap DA50 🤩
Da-50-jp7 already exists but not certified yet
Does not really make sense without a pressurized cabin.
first, I have no flight hours in either plane but I would prefer the DA50. I am totally loving the look of the plane, and all I have read about it so far. I fly 172 currently.
i've always wondered; can the passenger control stick be easily removed if the passenger there doesn't want it?
Yes
Working on commercial in a DA40 G1000, did instrument in it and have a couple hundred hours. However, with 70hrs in a SR22 G2, I’m definitely taking it on trips - as we did to KOSH in July. I would rather see the performance specs on the DA50 because for a $1 million, it better cruise faster than 178tas or it’s not working for me.
Nice video. Nice to see an area I know and go to often from the sky!
I think i was flying there when this was filmed. I rember taxing to 19 talking with my instructor about how a sr22t at the south ramp when we passed both of thoes planes sitting on the tower ramp was like yeahh thats another reason the DA50 is my new drram plane because it looks so nice. The plane where sitting side by side.
Cirrus pilot here. I was in doubt between DA50 and SR22T. Here in the Rocky Mountains, there is a definite winner, and it’s not a DA50. No matter how good pilot you are and how great your airplane glides, you will not make it to any suitable landing spot. I disagree on the leg room statement. Cirrus is roomy for 4 not a small people. I also disagree with a side stick, cirrus is very enjoyable to fly by hand, however I never flew diamond. I wish that cirrus had a FADEC engine I don’t like ancient engine in such technically advanced aircraft. The interior- cirrus is a clear winner. Exterior- I probably like DA more. If diamond features a BRS system one day and a little bit more powerful engine for higher speed, I would definitely choose DA due to additional 2 doors.
I’ll stick to the Cherokee 140 😁
Cruising at a brisk 95 KIAS 😂😂
The DA50 has parachute as an option.
The interior/exterior are personal reperformances. That's not a debate worth having. For me the modern diesel engines and use of Jet A is a HUGE win for Diamond aircraft as a whole. Because I agree with you the the Cirrus SR22 is a very nice and advanced plane held back by outdated engine technology.
You say all of that just to say you’ve never flown a DA50? So how can you actually disagree?
@@sweetcheels Ah good eye. I totally missed where he said he'd never flown a Diamond. I definitely agree, if he hasn't flown a DA50. He has nothing but an SR22 owner's bias.
No question, the Diamond is the way to go!
I have 800 hours time, half of it in a Cirrus and the other half in a DA 40. I was very excited for the Da50 initially. That said, it is more expensive than the Cirrus, has a much lower ceiling, much less range, Is not nearly as fast, and has a 44 foot wingspan vs 37 for the Cirrus and therefore will not fit in most hangars. That said, there are some advantages such as using cheaper JetA fuel (appeals to Euro folks especially), a slightly larger cabin, and a better glide ratio.
Da50 for me!
Anyone keeping up with the veloce 600?
Hmm...The real next level, pressurizing.
As a result, I still prefer a pressurized Centurion /C210 with an updated panel,
....to either the Cirrus or Diamond.
The other benefit -
While Cirrus has a solid support network, Cessna is superior.
I would definitely choose the DA50
The biggest thing I notice is the flight deck of the 50 looks like a total mess compared to the g6, let alone the G7. I've got a bit over 500 hours in my G6 turbo and I've considered a 62 but the 50 makes very little sense to me. I fly with my family. We live in the PNW. You're over mountains and thick forests often, the chute just makes sense. We go all up and down the west coast and the routes I take in the Cirrus vs the 182 I had before are vastly different due to the chute backup plan.
The Cirrus is by far and away the best seller for good reason. Weather capability of the turbo with the TKS and the climb rate you get makes that machine a beast.
Diamonds have options for chutes. Diamond pilots typically don’t get them because despite not having them, they have a good safety rating and they handle well during stalls and failures.
Diamonds are made for pilots. And Cirrus are made for people who want to be pilots with a huge emphasis on human factors. Not a dig at Cirrus pilots. It’s just how they pretty much came into play.
I'd probably choose the Pipistrel Panthera.
Probably the Diamond, mainly due to the exorbitant cost of the recurring parachute replacement.
No question. Da50!
Very impressive plane. Yea I’d like one 😁
If it’s not a matter of money, then it’s diamond without hesitation
I’d choose a used Kodiak or PC-12 same money more range, power, altitude, capability while lading at the same size strips
And 10x the operations cost? Wtf are you talking about
I am not a pilot but your comparison is ... not really a valid one :-)))
@@danielreuter2565 i was talking purchase price, relax, a PT6 is proven common turbine you’ll have more luck getting it worked on than these new diamond diesel engines.
@@MGA19a “not a pilot” then why comment
@@pushingporsche4830 he seems to know more than you. I don't like Porsches. I'd rather buy a dump truck for the same money.
Def take the Diamond.
DA50 100%
It's super slow, like 182 speeds, limited range, no baggage door, horrible company support, higher insurance, higher purchase price, more maintenance... I can keep going. There's literally nothing that it's better at.
@@nxfedlt1 You’re completely wrong on every point sir.
If you live in America choose Cirrus because wings shorter. Diamond 50rg don’t fit inside traditional t-hangars that are in the U.S. also operating cost is lower, and they can fly higher faster further.
The DA50 is for sure the cooler plane but I'm not really sure where it fits in the market exactly other than cool guy appeal. If you are looking for a solid plane for cross country/pleasure flying, an SR22T has better performance, a G3000 avionics suite instead of just G1000 NXI if you get a G7, much better support as far as authorized maintenance facilities go, a parachute for safety and isn't a retract which is way better for insurance purposes. The only reason to have retractable gear is to reduce the drag and get the speed up but the SR22T is faster so all it does on the DA50 RG is make insurance harder to get and more costly while adding systems that can break and need maintenance. As far as I can tell there is no reason to buy a DA50 RG over an SR22T as a plane to own and fly other than like I said the cool factor. If building complex/retract time to move on to bigger and better things is the goal, there are much cheaper options that you can take delivery of way faster than waiting for Diamond to build you a DA50 RG. Besides there is no reason to spend so much on a plane that you are using for time building and are ultimately moving on from in 6 months to a year ideally. So I guess if you think the DA50 RG looks cooler and just have to have the cool kid appeal of a retract, and don't mind giving up the safety of the parachute and the better performance and avionics if you get a G7 to get it, the DA50 RG is the way to go. But cut out the emotional cook kid appeal and the SR22T G6 or G7 is objectively the better plane.
I think the DA50 is going to do better outside the US where Jet-A is much more common than 100LL.
I think the analysis of gliding the DA-50 into a field “under control” versus pulling the parachute is pretty flawed. Even fields that look inviting from the air can have furrows, ruts, rocks, hidden walls, and hard-to-see fences and wires. DA-50 stall speed is 58 knots, or about 65 miles per hour. If you manage a full-stall landing, you still have to bring 65mph to a stop, and the plane weighs over 3,000 pounds *empty*. The Cirrus descends at 12 knots under the parachute, and has structures specifically designed (and proven) to absorb the remaining energy. I would take the Cirrus over the DA-50 in an engine failure scenario almost always.
That said, I’d sure like to have a more modern Jet-A engine in the Cirrus.
Pilots aren't what they used to be. Real pilots don't need a parachute on a GA plane
@@MikeMFnJones1 - When you get Spacial D at the wrong time, have a heart attack or the engine quits in the dark...you (and your ego) will think otherwise.
Having a modern engine does not guarantee a high percentage of reliability.
Where I fly, we have several DA40s that run on Jet A1.
I have already suffered 2 power losses (power limitation following a fault detected by the calculator) due to lack of maintenance (yes, experienced mechanics are also needed for a technology that is still poorly mastered in aviation).
I affirm that it is an unpleasant sensation...
What's the net worth of a owner of one of these gorgeous planes? I feel really poor when I look at these!
It’s a little amusing at times how much it seems like it takes. I am around 20M and one of those new is about like buying a new combine with heads. A fairly standard purchase, but to spend it on a pure luxury item in the lower 1 million range seems like way too much atm. $400,000 for a Malibu is in the cards. This being said I’m probably 10 or more years younger than that gentleman and I just had a new house built. Take away the new house and it’s not really too much of an issue.
@@thumpin250 Wow friend, you are leagues above me! I'm only at 5M, no wonder such a gorgeous machine is out of my reach.
@logicae4096 congrats, that's no small number you're working with. Let's hope you keep it rolling. Best of luck.
It's only a matter of time before Cirrus moves to the Continental CD300 engine.
@lifestyleaviation You didn’t really compare and contrast the DA50 to the SR22T. What are the upsides & downsides of the DA50 compared to the SR22T G7? Cirrus owns the GA market, how can this aircraft be a better choice? You didn’t even mention Cirrus’ famed CAPS parachute system, how can the DA50 possibly compare to that? You didn’t compare. 🤷🏾♂️
I think both aircraft is very nice. But DA50 float a bit much during landing.
DA42 would be my choice. No large A pillar. Dual engine redundancy… good useful load.
If I won the lottery tomorrow I would have the diamond
The Diamond DA50 RG
Mine would be the DA50 all day long
Don’t forget that 100LL is becoming scarce and more expensive as well as considered not environmentally sustainable.
Which is not the case for Jet fuel…
However, it is still the case at the moment that there are many small airfields in the US that have 100LL available but not Jet-A.
Mooney Ovation or Ultra. Yep.
DA 50 would be my choice. Modern engine in comparison to the old tech Cirrus. I also prefer a center stick. The DA is NOT made by a Chinese State owned company.
Didn't the Chinese buy Cirrus also?
For the price I want a chute as an extra option if something happens
What do aircraft manufacturers have against airplane colors you can actually see in the sky? Because blue, white, and grey isn't gonna get it done.
Good luck finding a hangar for a Da50, that alone has me out (def was not the price)
If you can afford the price of a new DA50 then you can afford to build a new hangar to put it in!
@@PhilipFly11 nobody building a hangar for a Da50 haha, maybe a jet or a turboprop. Guys will just get a Cirrus.
To say you would rather have a forcedlanding in any plane over a BRS pull is very short sighted.
I don’t like Diamond that much, because they are “rudder intensive planes” because of their high aspect ratio (long glider like wings)
I don't understand. You don't use rudder on a Cirrus? I've never flown one, but I've flown a Diamond DA42 twin and with both engines operating I wouldn't really call it "rudder intensive".
@@igclapp Well I flew quite a lot in Diamond planes some 15 to 20 years ago (DA-20/40/42) and all require quite a lot of rudder to coordinate turns (without yaw-damper). This is due to their high aspect ratio wings and the lack of rear fuselage surface . A Piper Seminole requires very little rudder while the DA-42 is like a glider and requires constant rudder inputs. At least that is how I remember my dissatisfaction with Diamond planes. I really did not like their need of rudder inputs to fly coordinated turns compared to other light singles and twins. I haven’t flown a prop since 2007 and modern civilian jets are “rudder free” airplanes, so maybe my judgment and memory is clouded.
I would rather buy a good Commander and spend the time/money to improve it than spend 18 months out of the first 24 fixing manufacturing defects and waiting for replacement parts. I think the Super Commander is a more logical choice than the Diamond da50.
i would choose a PC-12....
Between the two Cirrus is a much better option, fixed gear, air cooled, has parachute and has side yoke. On those long cross country flights center stick will be very uncomfortable. Even for getting in and out center stick is uncomfortable. Personally I went with a Columbia, in my opinion it is best of both worlds, fast, efficient, and fun to fly.
Getting in/out takes 30 seconds and should not be a factor when considering which plane to purchase. A center stick does not really make sitting uncomfortable considering you are not trying to cross your legs. Maybe if you want o use a large kneeboard or ipad on your leg.
The Cirrus side stick is a clear winner over a yoke, but not a center stick...they are pretty equal.
@@justsmy5677 If you have older family members or friends and they struggle to get in because of the center stick, they might not fly with you more than once. I think center stick makes a lot of sense on aerobatic planes like Extra-300 or Yak-55, but not on cruise machines.
@@aviatorel32 😂 It’s not in the way at all! If you “think” that it is, it unclips in 5 seconds! 😂😂😂
Diamond
This guy is in the puppy love stage of the DA. The things that ruins diamond aircraft for me is that they don’t have mags.
Why would you want mags? Are you that much in love with ancient technology?
@@GaryMCurran I have quite a bit of time behind the controls of the DA 42. Most people don’t know the ECU has excite batteries that gives you about 30 minutes when you get an alternator failure. No thanks I’ll take the self producing coil please 👍
@@lukebelvin4900 Two engines, two alternators, two batteries (at least)? Yeah, I guess you could find something that would take out the entire electrical system, but what are the odds?
It's an individual thing, and I respect your opinion. For me, it doesn't matter anyway, since my medical is long expired and I probably can't renew it, but in a DA-42 I think a lot of bad things would have to happen to get you to the point of no engines. A DA-50, or a DA-40, maybe not as much.
@@GaryMCurran I've had two alternator failures so far in my flying career.. never say never! One was at night and I can tell you I was very happy to know I had two beautiful magnetos helping me get back on the ground :)
@@GaryMCurran If memory serves me correctly the Diamond aircraft has 12 or so batteries. One hell of a bill when time for annual.
You should compare it to a Bonanza.
No specs differences , no personal feelings about the differences between the two , don’t see how this video taught us anything.
Besides that he thinks he has a carb in his cirrus. Some one should probably give him a lesson so he doesn't have to sit there and constantly fight the trim in a cirrus. It's one of the easiest planes to hand fly.
Diamond for certain.
Not a fan of the floor stick
There is no category (Speed, Range, useful load) where the DA50 beats the SR22T. And the DA50 has so many problems and Diamond has terrible after sales service. The only advantage of the DA50 is that it is the more “docil” aircraft.
I think the big appeal is that it burns Jet-A, but that is mostly a factor outside the US.
To be fair, lifestyle aviation has been favorable towards Dimaond 😂
Why keep your hand near the stick with an experienced pilot.
Most likely force of habit from time as an experienced CFI
It’s not a question. Diamond.
DA50 wins 10-1.
Two totally different birds.
Buy a diamond and you will quickly find out why Cirrus is better
Dude you're a cfi. Your job is slow down and let him do it. It's not helping anyone for you to do it quickly.
Aesthetically its an easy choice ....the DA50...
Beechcraft Bonanza A36
The DA50 would be my choice.
Congrats on being rich.
100% DA50
Both are massively overpriced and unimpressive. For the price I would choose an Eclipse 500 twin jet. But so so so much better is trivially possible. An actually light aerodynamic 4 seater with two small turbofan jet engines could do double the speed of either and with better fuel economy. So obvious and no one is doing it.
Maybe consider that the fact that nobody is doing it implies that it’s not as easy as you think.
What do you mean for the price? A jet is way more money
@@MikeMFnJones1 A used Eclipse is similar price. A new one would be more expensive but shouldn't be. Biggest problem is that Prat and Whitney want a million dollars each for the tiny engines. A good 4 seater twin jet should be 100k new. It's just a composite balloon with a couple of space heaters and wheelbarrow wheels.
100%. I paid $1.2m for my Eclipse. I use about 100 gallons to fly 500 miles at 340 Knots at FL380 (can go to FL410). Maintenance looks to average around $30k/year (4 year was $42k, but next 3 years will be $5k, $10k, $5k plus maybe new batteries during that time). Pressurized, super quiet, extremely safe. Centerline thrust so losing an engine even at Vr is a piece of cake and won't kill you (unlike a King Air). I can't imagine paying $1m for an unpressurized single engine piston.
@@rickdc3 very nice. The Eclipse stands out but I've done the math, way way way better should be available. If people saw what was readily possible it would blow their minds. It's not even remotely high tech, just modestly disciplined engineering with known construction techniques.
Diamond is awesome, their merch sucks !