Michael Jordan has no case to be the number 1 NBA player of all time. He has no case to be the number 1 NBA shooting guard of all time. He never had a case to be the number 1 NBA player when he was in the NBA. If you are going to rank players, lots of players are better than him. Lots of players could beat him in a one on one game. He doesn't have the best NBA statistics of all time. He is not the best scorer of all time. He is the most overrated sports star in the history of mankind. And I could give you more examples, but you get the point.............Also, Michael Jordan fans have lots of takes where they are wrong, or where they make things up, or where they contradict themselves, or where they move the goal post, or where they don't do enough research, or where they cherry pick things, or where they are not consistent, or where they react in a negative way if someone has a take that they think is taking away from Michael Jordan..........Also, Michael Jordan fans are the worst sports fans of all time, and they are the flat Earthers of the NBA world then.....................Now, if you disagree, you can go on my program and show me why you are right. If you want to go on email TheTelephoneUniverse@Gmail.Com...........And now watch how most Michael Jordan fans will ignore all this, and they won't go on my podcast to show me how they're right on whatever they disagree on, and they will get annoyed, and they will write something negative online...........and you know why they are like this?.............Because they know that they have no proof that will prove that I am wrong on whatever they disagree on, and they are in love with Michael Jordan, and they have too much pride to admit that they are wrong in anything, and they are not educated on the NBA.
I think everyone has a right to have a favorite players and to call that player "the greatest of all time" (in their minds) But I think people also need to be aware that different fans have different favorite players and therefore a different "greatest of all time" Fans loved players like Magic, Bird, Isiah, Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, and Lebron too. Let's call them all the greatest and not get into arguments over which was better than the other
@@DanielSong39And none of them are beating prime Jordan 1 on 1. His athletic fluency and his work ethic were second to none. LeBron shouldn't even be mentioned with this guy's. If you wanna call it anyone's generation it's most certainly Steph Curry's. LeBron is too busy taking 4 steps after concluding his dribble or sadly faking fouls so poorly that his 6'8 285 frame looks like an imaginery 5 mph wind gust would take him off his feet. Sorry, but you can't be considered goat material and improv fake fouls while pouting to the officials. No one likes a winey team hopping little biaatttttxhhhhh who never had the confidence to truly take control of the game solely on his own.
I felt the same way. Any other answer would have surprised me. And when I lived on the west coast, a San Diego fan I talked with and expressed my Gwynn-anxiety to thought Dale Murphy had been the tougher out and would have gladly traded. You seldom appreciate your hometown guy as much as the other team's fans, the guys who want to get him out. When Gwynn was coming to the plate, good luck with your coping mechanism.
@@charliecrowley1070 When I lived in Los Angeles I used to take pride in how much Dodger fans, whom I respect, hated Jones. Seeing him homer from both sides of the plate there in about '99 was golden.
Greg Maddux my favorite pitcher of all time I spent hours growing up trying to master that damn 2 seam fast ball of his, it was like magic the only fastball I know of that moved like screwball it was so cool, so many batters would watch his 2 seam fast ball go DEFINITIVELY towards the outside of the plate 87 mph, nothing special an obvious BALL 1 a little high but nope right at the last moment it would tail right back in over the plate catching sooooooo many batters looking for strike 1, he was the only pitcher i never grew bored of watching , he threw literally the prettiest pitches in baseball it was like watching an artist just paint the strike zone :)
If they had the superimposed box back then you would see that nearly all of those pitches were balls. He pitched in an era where pitching inside simply was not done and the umpires gave a whole bunch of latitude on the outside pitch to begin with . Strike zone height was tiny however. He used what they gave him and even if someone took a swing at that pitch they’d catch nothing but air.
@@StepheMauro-kh1px The pitch was a cutter…or a one finger screwball, if you want. I think most of them were strikes…..they tailed back in a caught the inside of the plate for lefties. Glavine’s change up, however, was two to four inches off the plate, and they called it a strike all the time!
I heard a quote about Greg "He had the 3rd best curveball on his team, 3rd best fastball on his team 3rd best slider on his team and he was the greatest pitcher of hi time."
He also got an extra 6 inches on this strike zone I was one of the few who felt joy in the Eric Gregg game, it was payback for years and years of frustration
Yeah 18 isn't unbreakable at all. Ichiro had 17 considering NPB. He could've easily won more, they just stopped voting for him after his offense declined.
Why I watched the game that night as a Twins fan I'll never know, but I watched Maddux throw that 78-pitch complete game against the Cubs from start to finish. As a pitcher, it was unlike anything I had ever seen before. His command was so pinpoint it was unreal. There were more physically imposing pitchers, and there were more strait overpowering pitchers, but he may have been the smartest best control pitcher to ever take the mound.
As a Padre/Gwynn fan from that era I am so proud that he was OURS. Ok, so we never won a series but Tony Gwynn just makes us PROUD anyway. And we love him so much for that. Oh and it's SO good to hear Tony Jr's voice calling the game. It's uncanny and you'd think it's Tony himself! God bless you brother.
Braves fan all my life. braves were in the west Div for these years lol would stay up late to watch Maddog pitch against Tony Gwynn great battles only time you could hear a cuss word on live TV .
Yeah I think Maddux has the record for consecutive seasons with 15+ wins in a season. What I find even more impressive is he pitched 23 years and 5000 innings in MLB and never once had surgery on his arm.
Im so glad I got a chance to watch Maddux live when he joined the Dodgers towards the end of his career. I remember being in a box behind 1st base and had a great view. Even though his prime was behind him at that point, he still had great command. It was a pleasure watching him.
@@RickPerry-ve1vs what does Ted Williams have to do with Greg Maddox & Tony Gwynn being the hardest out? Brett was around same time as Gwynn & was a superior talent in every aspect of the game including batting average. Ted’s Williams & Maddox were from completely different eras. Yes Ted Williams did many things well & that includes being more legendary than George Brett. However back to MY point George Brett > Tony Gwynn in every aspect of the game it’s undeniable. TW is immortal.
Lifelong Braves fan. Saw them play at Fulton County Stadium several times in the early 1990's. Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, and Avery are my all time favorite pitchers. Tony Gwynn hit like .400 off those guys. Dude was superhuman. Fastballer Smoltz reportedly resorted to throwing knuckleballs against Gwynn to get him out. Crazy.
As a baseball fan, and as a Yankee fan. I have so much respect for Maddux. Such a professional. A true tactician, competitor without overwhelming power. He dominated.
I lived in San Diego through most of Tony's career, and yes, the best pure hitter I've seen. Always amazed me during steal or hit & run situations how Tony was so adept at finding the hole. When the SS covered 2nd, Tony could slap the ball through the SS hole into LF, and when the 2nd baseman covered, he'd pull the ball into RF. Amazing bat control, but not just a singles hitter. He often drilled line drive doubles into the gaps and down the lines, and occasionally muscled up for HRs. RIP
I loved it when the playoffs were on, and I got to watch Greg Maddux pitch. It was like watching Michaelangelo paint the SIstine Chapel. The man was a pure artist.
Greg was a pitcher who truly knew baseball was a game of inches. He was so good at placement. He was a master corner painter and putting the ball where the hitter just couldn't do much with it. He could consistently let long ball hitters have just enough of the ball to get it to the warning track.
Life long Yankee fan here starting with Game 7 of the 1960 World Series. I saw Maddox pitch a regular season game at the Stadium. I never saw a more effortless motion than Greg's. Great , great pitcher. I put him right there with Gibson, Seaver, Palmer, and Pedro. And for the record, Koufax stands alone😉
On and off the field Tony Gwynn was pure class, Maddux seems to be the same way. Without missing a beat his WS trophy his favorite award - true team player.
easily one of the smartest pitchers who ever lived.. sneaky athletic too.. Loved watching him pitch even though I was an A's/Giants fan (100+ wins and couldn't make the postseason because of ATL... who was in the NL West back then, lololol)
Only pitcher I saw in my lifetime that was the equal of Greg Maddux was Warren Spahn. He pitched over three decades and won 363 games, remarkable considering he lost three prime years early in his career (1943-1945) due to military service during WW II. Had he pitched those three years he probably would have won over 400 games!!
Considering Maddox’s fastball was around 90 mph(that’s being generous) it’s amazing he so successful.Pin point control was his best asset. Tony Gwynn spent hours studying pitchers.In one season he had more homers than strikeouts:15 homers,13 strikeouts.
This was a gimme. There was no other possible answer. I go back to the 60s with Mays, Aaron, Clemente, and so many other great hitters, but the best hitter I ever saw was Barry Bonds 2002-2004. If he was lucky, he would get one pitch, ONE pitch to hit per at bat. But if he got that pitch, he would nail it. In those three years he was walked intentionally 249 times. 249! But don't say I have a man-crush on the guy. I'm from Pittsburgh, and Bonds' name might as well be mud here. And don't hand me the steroids argument. Steroids don't make you a great hitter.
Love how solid and consistent he was. Never flashy, always showed up and did the right thing. Never the most interesting guy, but definitely one of the smartest. Go Braves!
Saw him pitch in person twice. Named one of my cats after him (Maddux). Later, we named our grand nephew after him (Maddux). throw strikes, work quick, change speeds. sounds so easy!
If we are talking batters Mr Maddox faced I won't argue his respect and appreciation for the almost other-worldly Tony Gwynn. If all time great players are to be considered, let me cast my vote for Ted Williams and let you try to win that debate. If someone said they were tied for the honor I'd applaud that, too.
@@davemr6193 Poor hitting isn't bad luck, it's poor hitting. When they needed Clutch Cargo, such a batter was nowhere to be found in a stacked lineup. I recall Smoltz against the Twins in a Game 7 in Minneapolis, but perhaps memory fails me.
Maddux, Pedro, & Bartolo are the only 3 righties I saw of that era, that were able to throw that FB that looked, to a lefty, that it was coming right at their jersey, but tailed over the inside corner.... a nasty pitch that they would all 3 also change speeds on when they felt it necessary... also 3 nasty competitors that I wish I had a second lifetime to enjoy watching again.
I don't know if Maddux ever faced Carew or Ichiro them being in the American League. I'm old enough to remember Carew. He was incredible to watch. You gotta wonder what Ichiros final numbers would have been if he played his entire career in MLB. Those two and Tony for sure were the three best hitters I saw. My late father would give me hell for saying that. His favorite player was Ted Williams!
Barry Bonds was the GREATEST BASEBALL PLAYER of all time. Give this man his just due. Who else was ever walked intentonally with the bases loaded, multiple times?? Excellent fielder, great arm, fast on the bases, hit for average. Give this man his due place in the Hall Of Fame!!!!
I've been a life long Braves fan. Man, what a run they had in the 90's! Greg Maddux is my second favorite Brave of all time, behind only Hank Aaron. No doubt, Tony Gwynn was the best pure hitter of that era, if not of all time! He could hit anything! My personal favorite hitter (and overall ball player) was Ken Griffey Jr., but he was more of a slugger, and could not hit like Gwynn. I wish he could have played for Atlanta! The power he had with that perfect technique though, what a sweet swing!
Yankee fan here. Maddux is what I want a pitcher to be. Give me 5 of them. Cashman... you're fired. I don't care about spin rate or whatever. Pin point control with 91 on the corner. That will win you 102 games a year and 5 rings. I GUARANTEE it. People say... well.. the Braves had THREE guys doing that but didn't. Sure. You're right. But they didn't have the Yankee's lineup.
@@tacotom3492 I had to laugh at your comment. Actually I've watched a LOT of baseball. Maddux was a magician on the mound, and Gwynn could hit any pitch thrown to him. I'm not sure why you chose to post a negative assumption about my knowledge of baseball unless you're looking for an argument. But, hey, to each his own. So who are the greatest pitcher and hitter that you've watched?
@@mikehouston9455 I was in the ballpark when Maddux got his 300th win. Only time I ever wanted the Giants to lose. I think he will be the last pitcher to get to 300+ wins. Bonds was the greatest hitter ever. 2nd would be Griffey Jr.
@@gregrizzo8054 We would probably need to define what we each mean by greatest. As far as bat-to-ball skill, if i needed someone to put the ball in play and get a base hit with the game on the line (not necessarily hit a HR), I'd take Tony Gwynn every time.
@@gregrizzo8054 Bonds was not the greatest hitter, a lot of it has to do with how bad he was in the playoffs. That's what separates some of the hitters in his ballpark, like Ruth, Gehrig, Gwynn, Griffey, etc. Ted Williams is the only other great that was as bad as Barry in the postseason but he legit only had one playoff series in his entire career. I'd still say Ted was a better regular season hitter than Bonds before Barry gained like 60 lbs of muscle in his neck.
Because Greg was an expert lip reader, all players nowadays put their glove over half their face when meeting on the mound. He also one time spent 3 years setting up Vlad Guerrero Sr. (!) for a specific pitch in a specific situation. When that moment arrived, he threw a back door fastball to the outside. It was borderline and he didn’t get the call. I saw his reaction on TV, and read about it much later when he revealed the situation. Other than that, he was a decent pitcher (sarc).
Tony Gwynn introduced real devotion to the video. He studied every pitcher, and knew what was coming everytime. Thing is though, he swung level through the strike zone, lots, and lots of line drives, very rarely a dinger, seldom a ground ball in the infield. So, as chunky as Tony looked, he played the outfield and had to run the pads more than anyone.
I remember I SO wanted him to play ONE more season, and when he announced his retirement it so saddened me. Simply because, if he played just that One more season he almost surely would have moved from 8th All-Time Winningest Pitcher to 5th. Think about that 5TH ALL-TIME...in our Lifetime. And then it would have been So much easier for Everyone to give this guy his Earned Respect. When you get time, check out that list, you will be amazed.
He faced Ichiro only 6 times. Ichiro deserves to be mentioned in any conversation about greatest hitters. If his entire career was in the MLB he'd be in the 4000 hits club.
Meanwhile soccer is rising here in USA. In 1994, Maddux best peak year, Soccer wasn't a top 12 sport in USA, boy have things changed in the 2020's decade so far.
I remember S.I. did an article during the 1990's about Maddux, Clemens and Pedro . . . And they compared that group to the AL in the 1930's when Greenberg, Gehrig, Foxx were awesome 1B's and there were periods and leagues when some great SS's or CF's (Mays, Mantle, Snider, etc). Anyway the point was that Maddux, Clemens, Pedro during the period when HR's were, uhhm, encouraged, were arguably one of the greatest triads of RH-SP's ever. And it was hard to argue hands-down who was better, for a game, for a season, for a career, when a series was on the line . . . Together as a group, they were among the best of all time. And in 2007, Clemens final year, he retired with 354 Wins. So at the age of 42, Maddux decided to pitch one more (part of a) year . . . with the Dodgers in 2008, Running on fumes, he made 7 Starts, and won 2 of them. And Maddux retired with 355 Wins. 'nuff said.
In a game filled with specialists, and pitching the most specialized position, Maddux considered himself a BASEBALL PLAYER first and foremost. I just wish more players in today’s game had that attitude. Too many players today are just hitters or “throwers” (I really don’t consider many of them pitchers because very few of them understand pitching the way a Maddux, Pedro, or guys from a previous generation, such as Seaver, Gibson, Jenkins, Koufax, Carlton, Palmer and Drysdale understood pitching). Pitchers should be in the batting lineup. “Hitters” should have to play defense. How long before you have offense and defense in baseball, just like football? No thanks. Old school - yes. Absolutely!
@@RickPerry-ve1vs A baseball player is a baseball player. If they can't do both, they really shouldn't be out there. Football is the only team sport that divides the team into offensive nd defensive squads. Hockey doesn't. Basketball doesn't. Soccer doesn't. Baseball never used to. And it was a helluva lot better game before the DH...
@@myronlarimer1943 DH has been around since 1973. No, baseball was not better before then. It’s objectively much better. I know you geezers hate analytics but facts aren’t on your side. Shouldn’t be out there huh? Yea Edgar Martinez had no business being out there. What a bum.
I grew up idolizing Rod Carew another pure hitter but then When I attended San Diego St 78-80 In Comes Tony Gwynn a transfer from Long Beach City College To A Full Ride Basketball Scholarship To Play Point Guard for the Aztecs Yep ! Supporting a Julius Irving Fro Tony was solid on the Hard Courts then he said Iam going out for Baseball in 79 The Rest Is History Tony was in two of my Classes We even double dated Super Nice Guy That Darn Habit of Chewing Tobacco Cost him in the end I tried out for The Aztecs same time Tony did I was not on the Final Cut Spring Roster That Team was loaded Bud Black Bobby Meacham & Tony were stars In The Making Besides Ichiro The Great Mariner Carew Tony was the best hitter I ever saw Period ⚾💪
He, Pedro and Clemens were contemporaries. 3 of the best RH-SPs all at the same time. Maddux stuck around to get 2 more Wins than Clemens. Competitive? You betcha.
On stolen bases, at the tail end of his career Maddux pitched for the Padres in 2008. The Padres were so bad at stealing bases that year that in a certain month they only stole one base. Guess who got it? Maddux, who was in his forties.
Just if you are interested. Williams hit .406 in 1941. Who came the closest to hitting .400 after him. It depends how you lookat it. Williams hit .389 late in his career. But in reality, although there were a few higher averages, Williams actually was the closest. He missed by 5 hits, and couldn't run a lick. All the others missed by 6 hits or more.
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Michael Jordan has no case to be the number 1 NBA player of all time. He has no case to be the number 1 NBA shooting guard of all time. He never had a case to be the number 1 NBA player when he was in the NBA. If you are going to rank players, lots of players are better than him. Lots of players could beat him in a one on one game. He doesn't have the best NBA statistics of all time. He is not the best scorer of all time. He is the most overrated sports star in the history of mankind. And I could give you more examples, but you get the point.............Also, Michael Jordan fans have lots of takes where they are wrong, or where they make things up, or where they contradict themselves, or where they move the goal post, or where they don't do enough research, or where they cherry pick things, or where they are not consistent, or where they react in a negative way if someone has a take that they think is taking away from Michael Jordan..........Also, Michael Jordan fans are the worst sports fans of all time, and they are the flat Earthers of the NBA world then.....................Now, if you disagree, you can go on my program and show me why you are right. If you want to go on email TheTelephoneUniverse@Gmail.Com...........And now watch how most Michael Jordan fans will ignore all this, and they won't go on my podcast to show me how they're right on whatever they disagree on, and they will get annoyed, and they will write something negative online...........and you know why they are like this?.............Because they know that they have no proof that will prove that I am wrong on whatever they disagree on, and they are in love with Michael Jordan, and they have too much pride to admit that they are wrong in anything, and they are not educated on the NBA.
I think everyone has a right to have a favorite players and to call that player "the greatest of all time" (in their minds)
But I think people also need to be aware that different fans have different favorite players and therefore a different "greatest of all time"
Fans loved players like Magic, Bird, Isiah, Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, and Lebron too. Let's call them all the greatest and not get into arguments over which was better than the other
@@DanielSong39 Oh ok
Who tf is stopping Jordan in make-it take-it 1 on 1? Good luck on your quest.
@@lyricismlover8345 Read carefully what I wrote, bfore you get emotional then.
@@DanielSong39And none of them are beating prime Jordan 1 on 1. His athletic fluency and his work ethic were second to none. LeBron shouldn't even be mentioned with this guy's. If you wanna call it anyone's generation it's most certainly Steph Curry's. LeBron is too busy taking 4 steps after concluding his dribble or sadly faking fouls so poorly that his 6'8 285 frame looks like an imaginery 5 mph wind gust would take him off his feet. Sorry, but you can't be considered goat material and improv fake fouls while pouting to the officials. No one likes a winey team hopping little biaatttttxhhhhh who never had the confidence to truly take control of the game solely on his own.
Tony Gwynn is the only correct answer to that question.
I felt the same way. Any other answer would have surprised me. And when I lived on the west coast, a San Diego fan I talked with and expressed my Gwynn-anxiety to thought Dale Murphy had been the tougher out and would have gladly traded. You seldom appreciate your hometown guy as much as the other team's fans, the guys who want to get him out. When Gwynn was coming to the plate, good luck with your coping mechanism.
Will Clark hands down
Chipper was not far behind him, when Chipper wasn't focusing on trying to hit for power his average would spike. Pudge wasn't to bad either!
@@charliecrowley1070 When I lived in Los Angeles I used to take pride in how much Dodger fans, whom I respect, hated Jones. Seeing him homer from both sides of the plate there in about '99 was golden.
Agreed, but Boggs and Frank Thomas were pretty damn hard to face in crunch time.
Greg Maddux my favorite pitcher of all time I spent hours growing up trying to master that damn 2 seam fast ball of his, it was like magic the only fastball I know of that moved like screwball it was so cool, so many batters would watch his 2 seam fast ball go DEFINITIVELY towards the outside of the plate 87 mph, nothing special an obvious BALL 1 a little high but nope right at the last moment it would tail right back in over the plate catching sooooooo many batters looking for strike 1, he was the only pitcher i never grew bored of watching , he threw literally the prettiest pitches in baseball it was like watching an artist just paint the strike zone :)
If they had the superimposed box back then you would see that nearly all of those pitches were balls. He pitched in an era where pitching inside simply was not done and the umpires gave a whole bunch of latitude on the outside pitch to begin with . Strike zone height was tiny however. He used what they gave him and even if someone took a swing at that pitch they’d catch nothing but air.
@@StepheMauro-kh1px lol haters everywhere you turn.
so true. An artist without equal
@@StepheMauro-kh1px The pitch was a cutter…or a one finger screwball, if you want. I think most of them were strikes…..they tailed back in a caught the inside of the plate for lefties. Glavine’s change up, however, was two to four inches off the plate, and they called it a strike all the time!
Even at the tail end of his career it was a joy watching him pitch for my Padres.
I heard a quote about Greg "He had the 3rd best curveball on his team, 3rd best fastball on his team 3rd best slider on his team and he was the greatest pitcher of hi time."
But he had the best cutter, the best sinking fastball, and the best control of anybody.
He also got an extra 6 inches on this strike zone
I was one of the few who felt joy in the Eric Gregg game, it was payback for years and years of frustration
I’m from the DR and for me this man is the best right handed pitcher ever… the scientist of baseball pitching!!!
Pedro Martinez
Greg had the best control and best fielding that ever graced the mound!
Gwynn vs Maddux: .429 avg with zero strikeouts!
Seriously amazing!
"That F@#K Tony Gwynn!!!" - Greg Maddux...
That’s insane!!!
So? Gwynn never won a World Series.
@@TylerD288 You never had a brain.
18 Gold Gloves will never be matched. Greg's control and baseball smarts won't be matched either
Records are made to be broken
Yeah 18 isn't unbreakable at all. Ichiro had 17 considering NPB. He could've easily won more, they just stopped voting for him after his offense declined.
Let’s not forget his base running smarts: 11 for 14 in stolen bases.
He was a good hitter too
@@waynewells3297 who cares? Because it's such a low number they never paid him any attention. He couldn't steal if the game was on the line.
Why I watched the game that night as a Twins fan I'll never know, but I watched Maddux throw that 78-pitch complete game against the Cubs from start to finish. As a pitcher, it was unlike anything I had ever seen before. His command was so pinpoint it was unreal. There were more physically imposing pitchers, and there were more strait overpowering pitchers, but he may have been the smartest best control pitcher to ever take the mound.
As a Padre/Gwynn fan from that era I am so proud that he was OURS. Ok, so we never won a series but Tony Gwynn just makes us PROUD anyway. And we love him so much for that. Oh and it's SO good to hear Tony Jr's voice calling the game. It's uncanny and you'd think it's Tony himself! God bless you brother.
Braves fan all my life. braves were in the west Div for these years lol would stay up late to watch Maddog pitch against Tony Gwynn great battles only time you could hear a cuss word on live TV .
Tony Gwynn fan here as well. May he rest in peace, as he left us too soon.
Of all the pitchers in the history of the game it's amazing to see Maddux is 8th all time in wins.
Yeah I think Maddux has the record for consecutive seasons with 15+ wins in a season.
What I find even more impressive is he pitched 23 years and 5000 innings in MLB and never once had surgery on his arm.
Their memories are so precise!
Im so glad I got a chance to watch Maddux live when he joined the Dodgers towards the end of his career. I remember being in a box behind 1st base and had a great view. Even though his prime was behind him at that point, he still had great command. It was a pleasure watching him.
A pure joy to watch his career.. yankee fan. But saw a ton of Cubs and Braves games.... what a old school talent!!
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I was lucky to be a Padres fan and see Tony Gwynn play for many years. What a treat.
Terrible interview. Maddox and Gwynn were arguably the two best at their positions. They faced each other for 15 years.
Too bad you’re still looking for that first WS title.
Pedro is my man (even as a Yankee fan), but i won’t argue Maddux. Best purest hitter for sure Gwynn. Just amazing talent.
Ted William agrees
@@johnwhite2576 That's interesting because Williams put so much stress on power.
I guess you never watched George Brett play. Pure hitter< Pure baseball player.
@@johnblaze5252Ted Williams smashes Brett in every offensive category.
@@RickPerry-ve1vs what does Ted Williams have to do with Greg Maddox & Tony Gwynn being the hardest out? Brett was around same time as Gwynn & was a superior talent in every aspect of the game including batting average. Ted’s Williams & Maddox were from completely different eras. Yes Ted Williams did many things well & that includes being more legendary than George Brett. However back to MY point George Brett > Tony Gwynn in every aspect of the game it’s undeniable. TW is immortal.
Greg Maddux was a great pitcher and a quality all-around athlete. 1
As a pitcher he was also a decent hitter. Great athlete absolutely.
Greg Maddux is one of the best pitchers ever 😊
Easily top 5
@@andrewclover1462 He's certainly in the discussion.
Greatest pitcher of the generation, with all due respect to Pedro and the Unit.
Huh ? No. Id take Clemens over Maddux .
@@tacotom3492whatever. Clemens would have been retired by 97 if it wasn't for PEDs.
Three of the best ever too close to call there man.
Not Randy, he was a freak, but they are definitely 1 and 2
I definitely appreciate you not placing Roidin’ Roger over Johnson lol
Best pure pitcher I’ve ever seen talking about the best pure hitter I’ve ever seen. Both good guys too.
Lifelong Braves fan. Saw them play at Fulton County Stadium several times in the early 1990's. Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, and Avery are my all time favorite pitchers. Tony Gwynn hit like .400 off those guys. Dude was superhuman. Fastballer Smoltz reportedly resorted to throwing knuckleballs against Gwynn to get him out. Crazy.
Tony was a student of the master. Ted Williams.
@@VitalityMassage amen i agree ,
As a baseball fan, and as a Yankee fan. I have so much respect for Maddux. Such a professional. A true tactician, competitor without overwhelming power. He dominated.
I lived in San Diego through most of Tony's career, and yes, the best pure hitter I've seen. Always amazed me during steal or hit & run situations how Tony was so adept at finding the hole. When the SS covered 2nd, Tony could slap the ball through the SS hole into LF, and when the 2nd baseman covered, he'd pull the ball into RF. Amazing bat control, but not just a singles hitter. He often drilled line drive doubles into the gaps and down the lines, and occasionally muscled up for HRs. RIP
I loved it when the playoffs were on, and I got to watch Greg Maddux pitch. It was like watching Michaelangelo paint the SIstine Chapel. The man was a pure artist.
18 time Gold Glove winner. Mr. Maddux was the definite complete professional.
I remember when he was a Cubbie. But i always rooted for him after that. He was a master of his craft. Truly a great pitcher.
Saw the title of the video and knew he was going to say Gwynn.
Greg was a pitcher who truly knew baseball was a game of inches. He was so good at placement. He was a master corner painter and putting the ball where the hitter just couldn't do much with it. He could consistently let long ball hitters have just enough of the ball to get it to the warning track.
Bro Greg showing respect for Ken Cam. Greg’s a real one
Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez are the two greatest RHP's of that generation.
Clemens?
Hard to argue with that
@@jamesanthony5681 with Boston yes but you can't count the steroid years
@@merleshand2442 who was on steroids and who wasn't? So sick of that dumb ass argument.
@@jamesanthony5681 if he didn't shoot up. yeah.
My favorite pitche rof all time. Thanks Mr. Maddux. Greetings from Venezuela.
love Greg Maddux, my favorite pitcher no one could paint the corners better
Life long Yankee fan here starting with Game 7 of the 1960 World Series. I saw Maddox pitch a regular season game at the Stadium. I never saw a more effortless motion than Greg's. Great , great pitcher. I put him right there with Gibson, Seaver, Palmer, and Pedro. And for the record, Koufax stands alone😉
Greg's my ALL TIME favorite player, he was the reason i watched the cubs and braves
On and off the field Tony Gwynn was pure class, Maddux seems to be the same way. Without missing a beat his WS trophy his favorite award - true team player.
easily one of the smartest pitchers who ever lived.. sneaky athletic too.. Loved watching him pitch even though I was an A's/Giants fan (100+ wins and couldn't make the postseason because of ATL... who was in the NL West back then, lololol)
Only pitcher I saw in my lifetime that was the equal of Greg Maddux was Warren Spahn. He pitched over three decades and won 363 games, remarkable considering he lost three prime years early in his career (1943-1945) due to military service during WW II. Had he pitched those three years he probably would have won over 400 games!!
Best movement on FB ive ever seen.Never saw him in person,darn.
Considering Maddox’s fastball was around 90 mph(that’s being generous) it’s amazing he so successful.Pin point control was his best asset.
Tony Gwynn spent hours studying pitchers.In one season he had more homers than strikeouts:15 homers,13 strikeouts.
Before watching: Tony Gwynn. I’ll edit if I’m wrong.
Greg hated Tony because he could never fool him. LOL
Same here.
Of course it was.
Good call
This was a gimme. There was no other possible answer.
I go back to the 60s with Mays, Aaron, Clemente, and so many other great hitters, but the best hitter I ever saw was Barry Bonds 2002-2004. If he was lucky, he would get one pitch, ONE pitch to hit per at bat. But if he got that pitch, he would nail it. In those three years he was walked intentionally 249 times. 249! But don't say I have a man-crush on the guy. I'm from Pittsburgh, and Bonds' name might as well be mud here. And don't hand me the steroids argument. Steroids don't make you a great hitter.
Love how solid and consistent he was. Never flashy, always showed up and did the right thing. Never the most interesting guy, but definitely one of the smartest. Go Braves!
Saw him pitch in person twice. Named one of my cats after him (Maddux). Later, we named our grand nephew after him (Maddux).
throw strikes, work quick, change speeds. sounds so easy!
Chick's dig the long ball commercials rocked.
If we are talking batters Mr Maddox faced I won't argue his respect and appreciation for the almost other-worldly Tony Gwynn. If all time great players are to be considered, let me cast my vote for Ted Williams and let you try to win that debate. If someone said they were tied for the honor I'd applaud that, too.
Those Braves teams in the 90's were so talented, hard to believe they only won 1 World Series.
Had some bad luck in some big post season games, game 6 WS loss against Yanks in '96; also following year against the Marlins in losses
@@davemr6193 Poor hitting isn't bad luck, it's poor hitting. When they needed Clutch Cargo, such a batter was nowhere to be found in a stacked lineup. I recall Smoltz against the Twins in a Game 7 in Minneapolis, but perhaps memory fails me.
If I had to build a team from a stable of every player who has ever played. Without question Maddox would be my 1st pick!
For me I'd take Schilling
John Smoltz said he, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, and Pedro Martinez combined struck out Tony Gwynn three times. 🤯
Incredible.
Maddux, Pedro, & Bartolo are the only 3 righties I saw of that era, that were able to throw that FB that looked, to a lefty, that it was coming right at their jersey, but tailed over the inside corner.... a nasty pitch that they would all 3 also change speeds on when they felt it necessary... also 3 nasty competitors that I wish I had a second lifetime to enjoy watching again.
Bartolo? Of all the great righties, you list him? ERA+ barely over 100 and 46 WAR. Ohhhhhh k then
I used to love watching Greg pitch.
And he was a kick ass ice hockey player as well! 🏒🥅
I don't know if Maddux ever faced Carew or Ichiro them being in the American League. I'm old enough to remember Carew. He was incredible to watch. You gotta wonder what Ichiros final numbers would have been if he played his entire career in MLB. Those two and Tony for sure were the three best hitters I saw. My late father would give me hell for saying that. His favorite player was Ted Williams!
Barry Bonds was the GREATEST BASEBALL PLAYER of all time. Give this man his just due. Who else was ever walked intentonally with the bases loaded, multiple times?? Excellent fielder, great arm, fast on the bases, hit for average. Give this man his due place in the Hall Of Fame!!!!
I've been a life long Braves fan. Man, what a run they had in the 90's! Greg Maddux is my second favorite Brave of all time, behind only Hank Aaron. No doubt, Tony Gwynn was the best pure hitter of that era, if not of all time! He could hit anything! My personal favorite hitter (and overall ball player) was Ken Griffey Jr., but he was more of a slugger, and could not hit like Gwynn. I wish he could have played for Atlanta! The power he had with that perfect technique though, what a sweet swing!
Yankee fan here. Maddux is what I want a pitcher to be. Give me 5 of them. Cashman... you're fired. I don't care about spin rate or whatever. Pin point control with 91 on the corner. That will win you 102 games a year and 5 rings. I GUARANTEE it. People say... well.. the Braves had THREE guys doing that but didn't. Sure. You're right. But they didn't have the Yankee's lineup.
They didn’t win more because they didn’t have that killer instinct. They lost to inferior teams often.
Madduex was the greatest pitcher that I've ever watched pitch, and Gwynn was the greatest hitter that I've ever watched hit.
You didn't watch much baseball .. with all due respect
@@tacotom3492 I had to laugh at your comment. Actually I've watched a LOT of baseball. Maddux was a magician on the mound, and Gwynn could hit any pitch thrown to him. I'm not sure why you chose to post a negative assumption about my knowledge of baseball unless you're looking for an argument. But, hey, to each his own. So who are the greatest pitcher and hitter that you've watched?
@@mikehouston9455 I was in the ballpark when Maddux got his 300th win. Only time I ever wanted the Giants to lose. I think he will be the last pitcher to get to 300+ wins. Bonds was the greatest hitter ever. 2nd would be Griffey Jr.
@@gregrizzo8054 We would probably need to define what we each mean by greatest. As far as bat-to-ball skill, if i needed someone to put the ball in play and get a base hit with the game on the line (not necessarily hit a HR), I'd take Tony Gwynn every time.
@@gregrizzo8054 Bonds was not the greatest hitter, a lot of it has to do with how bad he was in the playoffs. That's what separates some of the hitters in his ballpark, like Ruth, Gehrig, Gwynn, Griffey, etc.
Ted Williams is the only other great that was as bad as Barry in the postseason but he legit only had one playoff series in his entire career. I'd still say Ted was a better regular season hitter than Bonds before Barry gained like 60 lbs of muscle in his neck.
Because Greg was an expert lip reader, all players nowadays put their glove over half their face when meeting on the mound.
He also one time spent 3 years setting up Vlad Guerrero Sr. (!) for a specific pitch in a specific situation. When that moment arrived, he threw a back door fastball to the outside. It was borderline and he didn’t get the call. I saw his reaction on TV, and read about it much later when he revealed the situation.
Other than that, he was a decent pitcher (sarc).
The best pitcher I have ever seen never struck out Tony Gwyn. That's right. Zero!
HE IS A LEGEND ....AND A BRAVE !
Tony Gwynn introduced real devotion to the video. He studied every pitcher, and knew what was coming everytime. Thing is though, he swung level through the strike zone, lots, and lots of line drives, very rarely a dinger, seldom a ground ball in the infield. So, as chunky as Tony looked, he played the outfield and had to run the pads more than anyone.
Before the video even started I knew it would be Gwynn. That guy is always the answer from NL pitchers in those days.
A true class act
Largest strike zone in MLB history. No question about it.
Maddux showed what the secret to pitching is: Hit your spots and change speeds. Keep the hitter off balance.
Greg Maddox was one of the best Athletes ive ever seen
😂
Incredible pitcher.
Great all around player
When I saw the headline I said "gotta be Tony Gwynn." He was the best hitter I ever saw. I would be surprised when he would swing and miss.
I would love to call a game with Greg on the mound.
I remember I SO wanted him to play ONE more season, and when he announced his retirement it so saddened me. Simply because, if he played just that One more season he almost surely would have moved from 8th All-Time Winningest Pitcher to 5th. Think about that 5TH ALL-TIME...in our Lifetime. And then it would have been So much easier for Everyone to give this guy his Earned Respect. When you get time, check out that list, you will be amazed.
Tony Gwynn was the purest hitter, but Maddux once said Bond's was the easiest hitter to pitch to. Just throw four balls.
Will Clark and Lance Berkman were tough outs.
He faced Ichiro only 6 times. Ichiro deserves to be mentioned in any conversation about greatest hitters. If his entire career was in the MLB he'd be in the 4000 hits club.
Maddux... was a NASTY pitcher. Loved watching him, Glavine and Smoltz play.
Major League Baseball is dying. Thankfully I will always have memories of watching greats like Maddux.
Meanwhile soccer is rising here in USA. In 1994, Maddux best peak year, Soccer wasn't a top 12 sport in USA, boy have things changed in the 2020's decade so far.
I remember S.I. did an article during the 1990's about Maddux, Clemens and Pedro . . . And they compared that group to the AL in the 1930's when Greenberg, Gehrig, Foxx were awesome 1B's and there were periods and leagues when some great SS's or CF's (Mays, Mantle, Snider, etc).
Anyway the point was that Maddux, Clemens, Pedro during the period when HR's were, uhhm, encouraged, were arguably one of the greatest triads of RH-SP's ever. And it was hard to argue hands-down who was better, for a game, for a season, for a career, when a series was on the line . . . Together as a group, they were among the best of all time.
And in 2007, Clemens final year, he retired with 354 Wins.
So at the age of 42, Maddux decided to pitch one more (part of a) year . . . with the Dodgers in 2008,
Running on fumes, he made 7 Starts, and won 2 of them.
And Maddux retired with 355 Wins. 'nuff said.
Just... taking the hardest possible path with no attack power up... it is astonishing.
I knew it was Tony Gwynn the second i read the title.
Rafael Palmeiro had the sweetest swing
Give Ted Williams credit for publishing a book on the fundamentals of hitting a baseball, which Tony studied religiously, during his youth.
In a game filled with specialists, and pitching the most specialized position, Maddux considered himself a BASEBALL PLAYER first and foremost. I just wish more players in today’s game had that attitude. Too many players today are just hitters or “throwers” (I really don’t consider many of them pitchers because very few of them understand pitching the way a Maddux, Pedro, or guys from a previous generation, such as Seaver, Gibson, Jenkins, Koufax, Carlton, Palmer and Drysdale understood pitching). Pitchers should be in the batting lineup. “Hitters” should have to play defense. How long before you have offense and defense in baseball, just like football? No thanks. Old school - yes. Absolutely!
Hitters should have to play defense? A hitter is just that.
Pitchers should be in the lineup? Ok boomer. 😂
@@RickPerry-ve1vs A baseball player is a baseball player. If they can't do both, they really shouldn't be out there. Football is the only team sport that divides the team into offensive nd defensive squads. Hockey doesn't. Basketball doesn't. Soccer doesn't. Baseball never used to. And it was a helluva lot better game before the DH...
@@myronlarimer1943 ok old timer. Thanks for your very dated opinion. Go back to the 70s.
@@myronlarimer1943 DH has been around since 1973. No, baseball was not better before then. It’s objectively much better. I know you geezers hate analytics but facts aren’t on your side.
Shouldn’t be out there huh? Yea Edgar Martinez had no business being out there. What a bum.
If there’s any pitcher/catcher batter I would’ve paid good money to see it would’ve been Maddux and Yadi. They’d have been unstoppable.
Great comment. Both Maddux and Yadi were very cerebral, very analytical with regard to pitch selection versus the opposing batters.
Smartest pitcher I ever saw
Edgar Martinez is top 5... I'd love to hear Greg's top 5 hitters he faced.
'92 season, 20-11, 2.18era. Led the NL in innings pitched. Oh, by the way, Gold glove.
I was not happy, as a Cubs fan, he left.
Not the same era but many would say Bob Gibson was the best....some of his ERA seasons were insane.
18!! That’s unreal.
I grew up idolizing Rod Carew another pure hitter but then When I attended San Diego St 78-80 In Comes Tony Gwynn a transfer from Long Beach City College To A Full Ride Basketball Scholarship To Play Point Guard for the Aztecs Yep ! Supporting a Julius Irving Fro Tony was solid on the Hard Courts then he said Iam going out for Baseball in 79 The Rest Is History Tony was in two of my Classes We even double dated Super Nice Guy That Darn Habit of Chewing Tobacco Cost him in the end I tried out for The Aztecs same time Tony did I was not on the Final Cut Spring Roster That Team was loaded Bud Black Bobby Meacham & Tony were stars In The Making Besides Ichiro The Great Mariner Carew Tony was the best hitter I ever saw Period ⚾💪
Thank You
He, Pedro and Clemens were contemporaries. 3 of the best RH-SPs all at the same time.
Maddux stuck around to get 2 more Wins than Clemens. Competitive? You betcha.
On stolen bases, at the tail end of his career Maddux pitched for the Padres in 2008. The Padres were so bad at stealing bases that year that in a certain month they only stole one base. Guess who got it? Maddux, who was in his forties.
I have a sheet or more of Gwynn rookies. He was my favorite player along with Ripkin and Carew. The day people respect him I will let go of a few
Greg Maddox awesome!
It always seemed to me that MLB umpires had two strike zones. One for Greg Maddux and another for the rest of the pitchers in the league.
That is correct! Tony Gwynn is the only answer.
"Be a baseball player and not just a pitcher." - Unfortunately baseball-hating Manfred and many fair-weather baseball fans disagree.
I wonder if Maddux could say " you know" a few more times
He didn't need to sell the game when he was playing, baseball was number one at that time.
Barry Bonds or Baby Ruth would be my answer
Just if you are interested. Williams hit .406 in 1941. Who came the closest to hitting .400 after him. It depends how you lookat it. Williams hit .389 late in his career. But in reality, although there were a few higher averages, Williams actually was the closest. He missed by 5 hits, and couldn't run a lick. All the others missed by 6 hits or more.