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@@trza49erthere used to be so much good shit to watch as a kid. Sports were amazing. Wrestling was great. Movies, great shows.,now there’s literally nothing I watch
You and me both!! Some of my fondest memories. I got serious about fandom in 90 at 7 yrs old. Those teams were so fun. Should have another ring or 2 but it was still a great run. Especially that first one they lost against the Yankees. They were the better team and up in that series. That one bugs me more than Kirby Puckett and twins
Maddox was getting the outside pitch called a strike the entire game by the home plate umpire Eric Gregg. Watch the call at 11:34. The catcher actually sets up outside the plate by an inch or two, and Maddox throws it about a foot outside the plate (based on the plate being 17 inches and the ball appears to be outside about 2/3 the plate width), and Gregg calls it a strike. I believe that was the most egregious called strike in this game, but there may have been a few more egregious ones.
Yo I love how he wouldn't give Sosa SHIT to hit. The way kept throwing outside to make him reach and neutralize his power as much as possible. One of the greatest pitchers of all time man I freakin miss 90s baseball
Lol Yea he ain't getting those calls these days though. That ump was a big reason why this game went the way it did. And I'm a braves fan who grew up watching maddux.
Dunston is a super nice guy. He autographed half a dozen things when I was a kid and was genuinely happy interacting with his fans. He’s the reason I played BB and SS.
@craigkennedy432 I just thought of how this was a hogging of the superstitions and how as a kid I'd do something like toggle between tbs and wgn just to get different perspectives. Wow, times like this I appreciate God for bringing my parents together to make me and have me live a life where I had these moments as a kid. I give my self crap today for never being the smartest, attractive, greatest, well celebrated, etc.. but to be alive and be able to look back on times like this is awesome. Now TBS has baseball for the whole nation.
*Fun Facts:* Maddux gave up that first hit in this game to Tyler Houston @ 2:35. They both attended the same high school, Valley in Las Vegas. Houston was drafted #2 overall by the Braves in ‘89. Maddux was drafted #31 overall by the Cubs in ‘84. It was interesting to see them face off against each other playing for the team that the other guy was drafted by.
Noticed that the pitch Houston hit was a first pitch 4 seam fastball. Smart hitting. He knew if he got deep in the count, Maddux would grab the advantage. Also, he served that ball into left field instead of trying to pull it. Awesome approach against Maddux. Houston never rec'd another outside fastball after that.
There is a little bit of PITCHf/x data from 2007-2008 on Maddux. Obviously he was not throwing as hard then, but he was basically the same pitcher -- heavy reliance on a sinker, complemented with a cutter and circle change and occasional breaking ball.
@@sawmill035 Sure, though the strike zone has gotten taller as it's shrunk width-wise. More low and high called strikes than 20 years ago. Pitch tracking has actually grown the strike zone overall, rather than shrunk it.
You just don't see the Grace, Boggs, Gwynn types anymore. Gwynn averaged 29 strikeouts a season. Boggs 49, Grace 78. 29 is an average month for some hitters. That's amazing.
Ryne Sandberg averaged 78 in his 16 years and over 8000 AB carreer. Don Mattingly took 3 SO in a game only once, and was in the very end of his carreer and averaged 31 per season.
All of Maddux' pitches had movement which is why he was so effective. His two-seam fast ball was essentially a screw ball which moved from left to right and kept batters off balance.
He was a lot like a knuckleballer. Not much velocity at all... just different speeds all over the strike zone. In, out, up, down, break left, break right, and not enough velocity for anyone to crush anything. The fact that he was an outstanding fielder and a very good hitter for a pitcher probably gave him 30 more wins than he otherwise would have had.
Velocity is sexy, but it doesn't carry much weight in terms of keeping hitters off-balance. Major league hitters will turn around any fastball if they get a steady diet of them. Nolan Ryan had to feature a 12 to 6 curve ball thrown out of the same arm slot as his fastball to be effective. @@bradleyboyer9979
This was back when there was strategy in batting. Mark Grace (the #3 hitter) was up with a man on 2nd and no outs. His task was to advance the runner to third by hitting the ball to the right side which he did successfully by hitting an easy grounder to 2nd base after fouling one to the right initially. The game has changed. Very few 3 hole hitters are doing anything but swinging for the fences in this situation today. It's sad. I also miss strategies surrounding the pitcher batting 9th... Such as walking the 8th batter to get to the pitcher. Or the double switch when removing the pitcher because his spot was early in the lineup the next inning. Or taking a pitcher out early for a pinch hitter in a moment where the team needs a key hit with runners on. Watching these 30-year-old clips reminds me of when baseball used to be a great way to enjoy an afternoon.
Amazing to watch him stretch the strike zone in the first 2 innings, to suddenly in the 3rd inning throwing his 2seamer outside and getting the call or swings from the Cubs trying to protect. Grade A+ pitching
Absolutely loved watching the Braves of the 90s. Their line up was unreal. Tom Glavine and Maddux start the game and watch crazy ass Rocker sprint from the bullpen to close it out lol. Great team to watch.
My takeaways from this: 1) I dunno why, but pitch 27 is my favorite. 2) The guy absolutely launched that bat away on pitch 58 3) Wow, that strike zone goes all the way to the batter's box on Maddux's left hand side and he definitely knew it cuz he kept pitching to that corner of the strike zone.
This is exactly my thing with Maddux too... you can say that pitchers generally got away with a lot in his era, and you can say that he got away with more than most of them due to his reputation, but does anyone REALLY doubt that Maddux is going to hit his spots if the refs force him to adjust his aim by six inches or so?
It is insane how accurate he was. Like a pitching machine. And once he got the outside corner, the ump gave him a few calls. He frustrated the hell out of hitters.
Was that a curveball? Looks more like a slider. Definitely a nasty sequence, especially how both breaking balls were set up by the back door sinker. Servais had no shot at that outside half of the plate.
The strike zone wasn’t as high, and was wider for sure. Its better now. This was just sort of accepted that every pitcher had to adapt to the ump’s zone for the game.
At least ten calls that were not strikes at all. I love Maddux but lets be fair. The outside corner with this umpire was strecthed out about 3 inches. With a smart pitcher that leaves hitters with a huge disadvantage.
@coreystone5370 seriously. Maddux is so overrated, can't even break 90, gets help from umpires, totally pushed by mlb to counter the steroid narrative. You have to wonder how much he really did to earn it.
I so miss the days of Greg Maddux,Tom Glavine,and John Smoltz!!! Three of the best pitchers ever let alone on the same team!! Thank you for that fun fast walk down Braves memory lane⚾❤️🤍💙
The year Maddux pitched this game, there were 266 complete games pitched in the majors. The last time there were 200 complete games pitched in a year was 2003. The last time there were 100 complete games pitched in a year was 2015. This year might end with fewer complete games pitched than in *2020* -- a sixty-game season.
@@playdiscgolf1546 Yeah lmao are people watching the same game? Maddox was given 2in L/R and 1in U/D. Cy Young winners today would be posting 300 strikeouts a season with that zone.
Greg Maddux the greatest pitcher of all time Master of the mount he had unbelievable great stuff perfect locations changing speeds and Maddox had control of the ball almost like he had a string hooked to it they will never ever be another picture that can do what Greg Maddux done
I'd call that more 90's umping on the strike zone. Maddux would succeed in any strike zone orientation because he was godly at not just pinpointing, but then stretching those boundaries so that he'd keep getting generous calls.
Yeah that strike zone on the left side of the plate was about two inches too wide all game long. And that strike one call against Dunston in the ninth grazed the inside chalk of the left handed batter's box.
@@RickPerry-ve1vs Ok so the home plate umpire sucked the whole game then. Look, I love Greg Maddux, so let's just move on past all that. I'm not saying you're making this specific argument, but there's been a narrative among baseball broadcasters/analysts that assumes if an umpire's strike zone, however terrible, is called evenly between the two teams, then no harm done. I hate that. The strike zone is defined, not up for interpretation by douchebags like Angel Hernandez or whoever this idiot is. That is the end of my rant.
its almost like he's throwing it like a wiffle ball, it has so much movement and speed variations that it's really hard to know what he's throwing and where it's going. that 2 seamer is a thing to behold... it starts way outside the zone but just tails back.
That's an Eric Gregg strikezone. The guy was a known gambler. Look at his infamous 1997 NLCS game Braves vs Marlins when Livan Hernandez was on the mound against Maddux. He had the fix on against the Braves. It was obvious and there was nothing the Braves could do... but just take it. I remember watching it and being fumed. ruclips.net/video/mR3eK5gCChM/видео.html
I remember SportsCenter doing this that night, only it was each pitch without the result of each. It ran about one second per pitch for the reel. Impressive stuff. To this day as an official scorer, I refer to any completedd inning of less than 10 pitches as a "Maddux" (Sorry, Red Barrett, only learned of you about a year ago.)
Every one of his pitches complement each other perfectly. Helps when you get those calls for strikes that far off the corner as well. I don't know who the home plate ump was but goddamn man
I know everyone is complaining about the expanded strike zone; but with the camera angle being from Maddux’s right side, anything on the left inside corner of the plate is going to look further inside than it is. We’re not seeing the pitches straight on like the umpire is. I’m not saying all of them were actually strikes, but they were closer than we’re seeing from our angle. Either way, it was a dominant performance.
Remarkable performance, but home plate umpire Eric Gregg should get credit also. His strike zone was wider than he is! I love the look on the face of the reliever the Braves had up in the bullpen in the 9th. I'm sure he's thinking, "What the heck am I doing this for?!!!"
Man, I'm struck by how "clean" and "peaceful" watching a game on television was back then. No tickers, no watermarks, heck there aren't even any advertisements lining the ballfield.
I was at this game with my dad - the first of a doubleheader. We didn't even realize that we had seen this game because, as a young Cubs fan, all I cared about was the fact that the Cubs lost and not that we had just witnessed a pitching masterpiece.
@bailey: why can't MLB provide us with compressed games like this (except with both pitchers?) just adding any action on the field with a ball in play and any pickoff attempts? Can we start a campaign to make better "compressed" games available? Can we call them "abridged?"
This is the most amazing pitching performance in history. Most pitchers throw more than this in 6-7 innings. Goes to show just how his pitches made hitters just look and feel silly. Something about his style makes people swing and make minimal contact.
With Maddux, you get to see only the top half of the ball as a hitter, because everything he throws stays down, and has downward movement. This induces ground balls. He generally gave-up very few fly ball outs as a result.
Pitch 73 @11:33............umm wooooow. You know, it IS Greg Maddux out there. He doesnt need any help. I think Ill start warming up the ol' arm, to see if I can get a contract, with that strike zone!!!!
The players in this game: the HOFers Sandberg and Chipper in addition to Maddux. Add in Sosa and A. Jones and you've got 5 starters with more than 60 fWAR a piece. Edit: Mark Grace was pretty good, too.
Eric "Hamburger" Gregg's strike zone was almost as wide as himself.. But, he called it for both pitchers. Maddux was smart enough to take advantage of it and throw one of the best pitching performances I have ever seen. 78 freaking pitches, lol Unreal.
the 5:00 mark told what i need to know..his accuracy to the same location with a crowded batter hugging the plate legally and still looked foolish in the end..he is on my alltime pitching staff of greatest overall pitchers..control command and defense too..im still in awe of this pitching performance..wow!!!!
My favorite part about watching baseball in retrospect, is waiting for the moment where the people calling the game realize something special might be happening. 9:27
Beautiful pitching to Mark Grace. Hit's outside corner for a strike, the comes inside and his the corner for strike 3. So too, Maddux knew this Cubbie team would try to pull every outside pitch ... the result being a lot of ground ball outs.
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It is amazing how fast games were in the 90s. In just under 13 minutes Maddix was able to pitch a complete game.
😂
And they didn’t have the pitching clock
Lol!!!
Who is maddix
It’s also amazing the strike zone that NL umpires had for Maddux too
As a teen in the 90s, I didn't realize how good I had it watching the Braves play on TBS during summer break.
WCW Saturday Night and a Braves game, that was my happy place on the weekend when I was 12.
Their pitching rotation was incredible back then!
Took it for granted too. Especially the TBS broadcasters. Soundtrack to my summers. RIP Don, Skip and Pete
@@trza49erthere used to be so much good shit to watch as a kid. Sports were amazing. Wrestling was great. Movies, great shows.,now there’s literally nothing I watch
You and me both!! Some of my fondest memories. I got serious about fandom in 90 at 7 yrs old. Those teams were so fun. Should have another ring or 2 but it was still a great run. Especially that first one they lost against the Yankees. They were the better team and up in that series. That one bugs me more than Kirby Puckett and twins
Maddox was getting the outside pitch called a strike the entire game by the home plate umpire Eric Gregg. Watch the call at 11:34. The catcher actually sets up outside the plate by an inch or two, and Maddox throws it about a foot outside the plate (based on the plate being 17 inches and the ball appears to be outside about 2/3 the plate width), and Gregg calls it a strike. I believe that was the most egregious called strike in this game, but there may have been a few more egregious ones.
Gregg was notoriously awful behind the plate.
And don't forget the NLCS later that year against Florida.
He was late to the buffet
Yo I love how he wouldn't give Sosa SHIT to hit. The way kept throwing outside to make him reach and neutralize his power as much as possible. One of the greatest pitchers of all time man I freakin miss 90s baseball
Lol Yea he ain't getting those calls these days though. That ump was a big reason why this game went the way it did. And I'm a braves fan who grew up watching maddux.
@@deucedeuce333 yea that’s the reason he was so dominant 🙄
@@deucedeuce333Eric Gregg baby. Also handed livan Hernandez a win in the ‘97 WS. rip tho Gregg
I miss some, like Greg and the rest of Atlanta rotation was good to see. But all those guys on steroids batting HR like nothing? Nah man, I pass.
@@deucedeuce333but umps today have much higher strike zones. In the 90s it was wider but today it’s a taller zone so it’s no difference
Dunston is a super nice guy. He autographed half a dozen things when I was a kid and was genuinely happy interacting with his fans. He’s the reason I played BB and SS.
Back in the heyday of Braves baseball. The pitching lineup was incredible. The Braves on TBS, thats classic.
And the Cubs on WGN! Evenif you couldn't see your team, you knew you could always watch a game.
@craigkennedy432 I just thought of how this was a hogging of the superstitions and how as a kid I'd do something like toggle between tbs and wgn just to get different perspectives.
Wow, times like this I appreciate God for bringing my parents together to make me and have me live a life where I had these moments as a kid.
I give my self crap today for never being the smartest, attractive, greatest, well celebrated, etc.. but to be alive and be able to look back on times like this is awesome. Now TBS has baseball for the whole nation.
As they say , that was the Good ole Days boys!!!
Here's to you🍻
*Fun Facts:* Maddux gave up that first hit in this game to Tyler Houston @ 2:35. They both attended the same high school, Valley in Las Vegas.
Houston was drafted #2 overall by the Braves in ‘89.
Maddux was drafted #31 overall by the Cubs in ‘84.
It was interesting to see them face off against each other playing for the team that the other guy was drafted by.
Noticed that the pitch Houston hit was a first pitch 4 seam fastball. Smart hitting. He knew if he got deep in the count, Maddux would grab the advantage. Also, he served that ball into left field instead of trying to pull it. Awesome approach against Maddux. Houston never rec'd another outside fastball after that.
Maddux is arguably the greatest fielding pitcher in MLB history
I do not think anyone is even arguing that point. He has the most gold gloves by far.
@@JohnHoulihan-y5mnot by far, the next pitcher is only 2 behind him. Jim Kaat had 16..
Bartolo Colon is up there too
@@patrickeaton9350 That man was a pristine specimen of an athlete.
one of the greatest control pitchers also. Oh, and one of the greatest pitchers, period.
If only we had Statcast data for Maddux. I feel like he'd be the all-time leader in Good Piece of Pitching.
There is a little bit of PITCHf/x data from 2007-2008 on Maddux. Obviously he was not throwing as hard then, but he was basically the same pitcher -- heavy reliance on a sinker, complemented with a cutter and circle change and occasional breaking ball.
@@jprg1966And umpires giving him 3-6 inches off the plate
@@sawmill035 Sure, though the strike zone has gotten taller as it's shrunk width-wise. More low and high called strikes than 20 years ago. Pitch tracking has actually grown the strike zone overall, rather than shrunk it.
THANK YOU BAILEY FOR THIS MASTERPIECE, THE PIXEL HEAD, AND THE COUNTER.
The pixel maddux really captures the small town librarian frumpiness of maddys face
I love his windup and pitching motion, looks so effortless
That’s how he could ramp it up the 88 MOH.
Cubs and Braves - these two teams were always on tv in the 90s.
WGN and TBS made a lot of Cubs and Braves fans back in the day.
You just don't see the Grace, Boggs, Gwynn types anymore. Gwynn averaged 29 strikeouts a season. Boggs 49, Grace 78. 29 is an average month for some hitters. That's amazing.
Ryne Sandberg averaged 78 in his 16 years and over 8000 AB carreer. Don Mattingly took 3 SO in a game only once, and was in the very end of his carreer and averaged 31 per season.
@@ergato06 those figures are nuts.
Arraez had like 34 this year with 600 ABs and a Gwynn-like .354 avg.
@@joshw6449I’m still bummed he is no longer with the Twins. 😢 lol
All of Maddux' pitches had movement which is why he was so effective. His two-seam fast ball was essentially a screw ball which moved from left to right and kept batters off balance.
He was a lot like a knuckleballer.
Not much velocity at all... just different speeds all over the strike zone. In, out, up, down, break left, break right, and not enough velocity for anyone to crush anything.
The fact that he was an outstanding fielder and a very good hitter for a pitcher probably gave him 30 more wins than he otherwise would have had.
Velocity is sexy, but it doesn't carry much weight in terms of keeping hitters off-balance. Major league hitters will turn around any fastball if they get a steady diet of them. Nolan Ryan had to feature a 12 to 6 curve ball thrown out of the same arm slot as his fastball to be effective. @@bradleyboyer9979
Honestly a lot of his pitches move like question marks, it's crazy
You forgot to mention late, late movement down and in and down away.4 seamer was thrown rarely.@@bradleyboyer9979
This was back when there was strategy in batting. Mark Grace (the #3 hitter) was up with a man on 2nd and no outs. His task was to advance the runner to third by hitting the ball to the right side which he did successfully by hitting an easy grounder to 2nd base after fouling one to the right initially. The game has changed. Very few 3 hole hitters are doing anything but swinging for the fences in this situation today. It's sad.
I also miss strategies surrounding the pitcher batting 9th... Such as walking the 8th batter to get to the pitcher. Or the double switch when removing the pitcher because his spot was early in the lineup the next inning. Or taking a pitcher out early for a pinch hitter in a moment where the team needs a key hit with runners on. Watching these 30-year-old clips reminds me of when baseball used to be a great way to enjoy an afternoon.
There is still strategy in batting. That strategy just so happens to be swing for the fences, because that’s the optimal strategy in most cases.
Amazing to watch him stretch the strike zone in the first 2 innings, to suddenly in the 3rd inning throwing his 2seamer outside and getting the call or swings from the Cubs trying to protect.
Grade A+ pitching
Didn’t hurt that Eric Gregg would give him the glove side strike zone all the way to the warm-up circle.
Absolutely loved watching the Braves of the 90s. Their line up was unreal. Tom Glavine and Maddux start the game and watch crazy ass Rocker sprint from the bullpen to close it out lol. Great team to watch.
Man I freakin miss baseball in the 90s ☹️
I find it hilarious that the most iconic Maddux performance doesn’t qualify for a “Maddux”
I respect you king. You comment on like every video
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My takeaways from this:
1) I dunno why, but pitch 27 is my favorite.
2) The guy absolutely launched that bat away on pitch 58
3) Wow, that strike zone goes all the way to the batter's box on Maddux's left hand side and he definitely knew it cuz he kept pitching to that corner of the strike zone.
This is exactly my thing with Maddux too... you can say that pitchers generally got away with a lot in his era, and you can say that he got away with more than most of them due to his reputation, but does anyone REALLY doubt that Maddux is going to hit his spots if the refs force him to adjust his aim by six inches or so?
@@llamalitany did you just call them the refs?
@@zachPlushgaming LMAO, was just watching some soccer before this. mb
Pitch 65, strike. Give me a break. 6 inches off the plate. Pitch 66, 67 largely the same place...ball. You had to swing at anything close.
mine is pitch 28
1- Thanks for this complement to your FB video
2- Thanks for leaving the music for the breaks in between innings 🙏
It is insane how accurate he was. Like a pitching machine. And once he got the outside corner, the ump gave him a few calls. He frustrated the hell out of hitters.
For me he was the greatest pitcher of his time.
44,45,and 46 has to be one of the best sequences ever. That curveball is unreal
Maddox did a prank video where he pretended to be grounds crew and ended up pitching BP to Chris Bryant. “that curve ball is nasty”. Lol.
Was that a curveball? Looks more like a slider. Definitely a nasty sequence, especially how both breaking balls were set up by the back door sinker. Servais had no shot at that outside half of the plate.
44 was a sinker, 45 looked like a slider, 46 looks like a curve
Strike zone was absolutely bonkers. Amazing teams scored any runs at all
Well everyone was taking vitamins - they had to widen the strike zone.
@@VidaBlue317thats what happens when you widen the players
The strike zone wasn’t as high, and was wider for sure. Its better now. This was just sort of accepted that every pitcher had to adapt to the ump’s zone for the game.
At least ten calls that were not strikes at all. I love Maddux but lets be fair. The outside corner with this umpire was strecthed out about 3 inches. With a smart pitcher that leaves hitters with a huge disadvantage.
@coreystone5370 seriously. Maddux is so overrated, can't even break 90, gets help from umpires, totally pushed by mlb to counter the steroid narrative. You have to wonder how much he really did to earn it.
I so miss the days of Greg Maddux,Tom Glavine,and John Smoltz!!! Three of the best pitchers ever let alone on the same team!! Thank you for that fun fast walk down Braves memory lane⚾❤️🤍💙
Theee BEST EVER!!! MADDOG MADDOX!!! Miss those days...awesome to watch him work!!
With the game as it is now, this will never happen again. He had the best movement and control arguably ever.
The year Maddux pitched this game, there were 266 complete games pitched in the majors.
The last time there were 200 complete games pitched in a year was 2003.
The last time there were 100 complete games pitched in a year was 2015.
This year might end with fewer complete games pitched than in *2020* -- a sixty-game season.
It will never happen again also, because the strike zone is half the size.
@@playdiscgolf1546 Yeah lmao are people watching the same game?
Maddox was given 2in L/R and 1in U/D. Cy Young winners today would be posting 300 strikeouts a season with that zone.
Let's see how long MLB lets you keep up this *banger*
Imagine showing up to this game an hour late, and you could barely consume a beer before the game was over.
In 1962 I got to a Mets game 15 minutes late and they had already made 3 errors.
@@soaringvulture oh that’s brutal
Greg Maddux the greatest pitcher of all time Master of the mount he had unbelievable great stuff perfect locations changing speeds and Maddox had control of the ball almost like he had a string hooked to it they will never ever be another picture that can do what Greg Maddux done
78 pitches and a bunch of generous strikes by the home ump. Maddux was fun to watch esp on live tv. It's all about pitch movement and not speed.
Yep. Thank you.
I'd call that more 90's umping on the strike zone. Maddux would succeed in any strike zone orientation because he was godly at not just pinpointing, but then stretching those boundaries so that he'd keep getting generous calls.
Not sure how he did it, but Maddux appears to have expanded the strike zone as the game wore on, esp. on the left side of the plate. Amazing.
just absurd, that called strike in the 9th to dunstan
Yea but look at one down the middle to the right. That ump just shifted that whole zone.
Yeah that strike zone on the left side of the plate was about two inches too wide all game long. And that strike one call against Dunston in the ninth grazed the inside chalk of the left handed batter's box.
It was called the same for both teams
@@RickPerry-ve1vs Ok so the home plate umpire sucked the whole game then. Look, I love Greg Maddux, so let's just move on past all that. I'm not saying you're making this specific argument, but there's been a narrative among baseball broadcasters/analysts that assumes if an umpire's strike zone, however terrible, is called evenly between the two teams, then no harm done. I hate that. The strike zone is defined, not up for interpretation by douchebags like Angel Hernandez or whoever this idiot is. That is the end of my rant.
its almost like he's throwing it like a wiffle ball, it has so much movement and speed variations that it's really hard to know what he's throwing and where it's going. that 2 seamer is a thing to behold... it starts way outside the zone but just tails back.
This is fun to watch. Good idea to accompany the main channel's video with this.
One of my favorite pitchers growing up. The man can do it all.
I remember the HUGE strike zones he and Glavine got
Is that why they’re in the HOF?
@@RickPerry-ve1vs yup
@@nohandle180 all because of the umpire huh? Yea you don’t get a WAR of 107 by help from the umpires. What an idiot
@@nohandle180 Phillies fan or Mets fan?
He created strike zones by pounding one zone over and over again to make the ump think that was the strike zone….he was a master
Grew up loving the Braves and idolising this pitching rotation. Two takeaways: Mark Grace was a great hitter, and holy cow that strike zone was WILD.
Imagine Maddux in today's game? He would carve them up like a fresh steak.
ERA records would fall.
Wow. We were lucky to be around to see him pitch
This kind of thing can happen when the home plate ump calls strikes that are 3 inches off the outside corner of the plate to a right-handed batter.
3 inches? Those 2 seamers are almost an entire foot off the plate
there were a few gimme calls but ump was pretty good most of the game. lets not confuse him with angel hernandez
What crazy is offensive was so out of wack by then that Sammy Sosa had 99OPS+ in 1997 and only 160OPS+ in 1998 with 416 total bases.
ironically 78 was the speed of his fast ball as well.
10:14 THIS IS A CERTIFIED "90S STRIKEZONE" MOMENT
The whole 9th inning too
That's an Eric Gregg strikezone. The guy was a known gambler. Look at his infamous 1997 NLCS game Braves vs Marlins when Livan Hernandez was on the mound against Maddux. He had the fix on against the Braves. It was obvious and there was nothing the Braves could do... but just take it. I remember watching it and being fumed. ruclips.net/video/mR3eK5gCChM/видео.html
Not even the worst one
Batter: "I got a bullshit call on that last strikeout. It was out of the zone!"
Coach: "Did you read the scouting report?"
Baseball World: Can’t throw low and inside to a lefty!
Maddux: Hold my beers!
I remember SportsCenter doing this that night, only it was each pitch without the result of each. It ran about one second per pitch for the reel. Impressive stuff.
To this day as an official scorer, I refer to any completedd inning of less than 10 pitches as a "Maddux" (Sorry, Red Barrett, only learned of you about a year ago.)
Every one of his pitches complement each other perfectly. Helps when you get those calls for strikes that far off the corner as well. I don't know who the home plate ump was but goddamn man
He genuinely looked like he was throwing BP. Incredible how he navigated his way through a game. You don’t see guys pitching to contact anymore
4:43 Pitch 32. The game was already complete. That pitch HITS a lefty. That's some ump love. July 22nd...hot and humid. Oh...gotchta.
Yes it’s all one big conspiracy
He never threw more than 5 pitches at any at bat. Amazing. Thanks for sharing!
The man was a genius on the pitching mound and I have never seen no one who was smarter.
Will never forget watching this particular game. Maddox was incredible
It's so refreshing to watch one of the older games where the players don't look like a bunch of circus freaks.
I'm sure fans who grew up in the 1940's said the same exact thing watching baseball in the 1970's.
I know everyone is complaining about the expanded strike zone; but with the camera angle being from Maddux’s right side, anything on the left inside corner of the plate is going to look further inside than it is. We’re not seeing the pitches straight on like the umpire is. I’m not saying all of them were actually strikes, but they were closer than we’re seeing from our angle. Either way, it was a dominant performance.
The camera angle was the same from 1980s to 2020
That is a massive zone, especially to the outside against the RHBs.
The editing to put this together, damn. Also, nice to see Eric Gregg behind the dish.
how was batting average higher when the strike zone was twice as wide
Players were hitting for contact much more than nowadays. It wasn't as extreme of a three true outcomes game that it is today.
Not every umpire was as shitty as Eric Gregg.
No shift. Ground balls actually got through the infield occasionally
Less pitchers throwing 95+ mph
Remarkable performance, but home plate umpire Eric Gregg should get credit also. His strike zone was wider than he is! I love the look on the face of the reliever the Braves had up in the bullpen in the 9th. I'm sure he's thinking, "What the heck am I doing this for?!!!"
Man, I'm struck by how "clean" and "peaceful" watching a game on television was back then. No tickers, no watermarks, heck there aren't even any advertisements lining the ballfield.
I was at this game with my dad - the first of a doubleheader. We didn't even realize that we had seen this game because, as a young Cubs fan, all I cared about was the fact that the Cubs lost and not that we had just witnessed a pitching masterpiece.
Nice to hear skip carays voice again
Gregg at umpire, wind blowing in, line drives at fielders...more of a weird game rather than a pitching masterpiece.
Oh look its, Ol ump that has a strike zone the size of a small village!!
One of my favorite things about this video is hearing Pete, Joe, Skip, and Don.
A Greg Maddux pitch was like a box of chocolates, you never knew what you were going to get.😂
Maddux pitches to the on deck circle were called strikes, so...
If Jacob degrom had this umpire he would Legit have a 1 era.
yeahjeez what a joke of an umpiring job. like 20 of those werent even remotely close... almost a showcase of how shitty he played in this game...
That's Eric Gregg, his strike zone is always wide as shit
@@johnlindsay4310 No one complained...the camera angle may make it look a foot off the plate, but everything had movement
@@4EyedAnimation- Yeah, right.. moved from a foot off the plate to 18 inches. 🙄
Umpires have always controlled the narrative. I’m a big baseball fan but it’s hilarious to think otherwise
Maddux aided by Eric Gregg's massive strike zone and them wanting to get Game 1 of a doubleheader in, but still impressive.
That strike zone was crazy. I could get guys out with that strike zone and I throw 70 lol
EG strike zone was just his width.
Let's count all the balls that are called strikes, shall we?
I wish there was a baseball channel where you could just watch all the games of any teams you wish for any season you wish.
Masterful performance from one of the all-time greats but he also benefitted from a VERY wide strike zone and some quite nice fielding plays.
I miss 90's baseball
What a giant strikezone from that ump. Gave him a good 8 inches off the plate
Eric Gregg?
@@scotts4726 YEP!!!
Pitch 33
@@brownfloyd4389 pitch 73 too
Slow down pitch 73 and it looks like almost a foot off the plate to me.
@bailey: why can't MLB provide us with compressed games like this (except with both pitchers?) just adding any action on the field with a ball in play and any pickoff attempts? Can we start a campaign to make better "compressed" games available? Can we call them "abridged?"
Prime Greg Maddux doesn’t get talked about as the greatest ever but honestly he should
This is the most amazing pitching performance in history. Most pitchers throw more than this in 6-7 innings. Goes to show just how his pitches made hitters just look and feel silly. Something about his style makes people swing and make minimal contact.
Because they looked like meatballs until you swung at them maybe
With Maddux, you get to see only the top half of the ball as a hitter, because everything he throws stays down, and has downward movement. This induces ground balls. He generally gave-up very few fly ball outs as a result.
His change-up was simply OBSCENE!...Depraved!
Greg Maddux, Chipper Jones, Fred McGriff, Sammy Sosa, Mark Grace, Ryan Sandburg…this game featured a ton of stars!
Pitch 73 @11:33............umm wooooow.
You know, it IS Greg Maddux out there.
He doesnt need any help.
I think Ill start warming up the ol' arm, to see if I can get a contract, with that strike zone!!!!
the batter, shawon dunston, was one of the most notoriously impatient batters of all time, and he didn’t even think about swinging.
The players in this game: the HOFers Sandberg and Chipper in addition to Maddux. Add in Sosa and A. Jones and you've got 5 starters with more than 60 fWAR a piece.
Edit: Mark Grace was pretty good, too.
A. Jones will be getting a next few years.
@@bclautz half the team in those years should be in the HOF. They were so darn good
My favorite part of this is Skip, Pete and Don calling the game. Thank goodness Joe is still around.
Joe sucks as a bordcaster.
Let's be honest. That ump was calling some strikes that were 6" off the plate.
9:30 for the missed pitch
Not taking anything away from Maddux but the ump was the black Angel Hernandez. Especially at 11:33
Holy shit
That's my autozone player of the game right there
Eric "Hamburger" Gregg's strike zone was almost as wide as himself..
But, he called it for both pitchers. Maddux was smart enough to take advantage of it and throw one of the best pitching performances I have ever seen. 78 freaking pitches, lol Unreal.
How I sorely miss Braves on TBS with Skip Caray, Joe Simpson, Pete Van Wieren… those were the days
the 5:00 mark told what i need to know..his accuracy to the same location with a crowded batter hugging the plate legally and still looked foolish in the end..he is on my alltime pitching staff of greatest overall pitchers..control command and defense too..im still in awe of this pitching performance..wow!!!!
Pitch #2 is what I always envision when I think about Maddux.
Phish played an amazing show in Walnut Creek NC on this same day in 97. 🎉
His ball control was unmatched
That home plate ump loved this game. “Honey, I’ll be home by 5.”
Especially considering he was giving Maddux a very generous plate...
My favorite part about watching baseball in retrospect, is waiting for the moment where the people calling the game realize something special might be happening.
9:27
Beautiful pitching to Mark Grace. Hit's outside corner for a strike, the comes inside and his the corner for strike 3. So too, Maddux knew this Cubbie team would try to pull every outside pitch ... the result being a lot of ground ball outs.
You are the hero we don’t deserve Mr. Bailey
Maddux was a magician with a baseball
It's easy with Eric Gregg calling balls & strikes. He had a habit of adding 3" to the outside corner.
78 Pitch complete game. Let that sink in
What a nasty pick by Chipper!
All done in a brisk 2 hours, 7 minutes. Rob Manfred salivates at the mere thought.