I own a 90 feet boat on the Island and have been talking to my Captain and the Crew who are born local as well and I will tell you what really happened. This is verfied from various sources on the island. The boat was chartered from Ibiza to Formentera which is standard place to go (or Cala Jondal). The clients went to Beso Beach (fancy lunch place with a party vibe) and the captain+crew decided to join them. It went wild (lots of alcohol) all day until the night. The good part of the story was that the clients realized the captain was so drunk they didn't fell safe to go back with him in the darkness to Ibiza. So decided they all took the Ferry back to port in Ibiza. The captain went back with his crew-member in the middle of the night. He went without GPS (not sure if it was broken or he didnt bother to turn it on). Only problem he went the wrong direction so he went right up on the island... This colombian captain had some minor incident before and now he is done for good as a captain.
I think it may appear that way because we are focused on news but I have worked in the industry for many years and have never been involved in any incident like you see here.
These boats are run by idiots! You should have a channel area called the Darwin boat mishap channel. This is much like natures way of thinning the herd. Great Video!
Mate i don't know where you got the info about the boat in Formentera, but i can tell you that the cap was drunk AF, the customers left the island on the ferry and the crew had to return to dock, he was cruising at 40kt and run into the sand dune because it looked like the "passage" that is further up north, nobody but the insurance would believe that you go check the engine room at that speed
btw they had to hire a private company because here on the islands sea rescue only assists if there are lifes in danger, otherwise they relate you to a 7 companies list that charge you 10% of the boat value upfront or more (as in this case)
It’s also a rock not a sand dune that she was perched on. If the rock wasn’t there she might of made it over and back into the water 😂. Everyone in Ibiza knows Peters side to the story.
You are as uninformed as the fire chief. Immersion in water eliminates one side of the fire triangle: it robs it of the heat required to sustain the decomposition reaction. When that is done, the generation of oxygen stops as well. Getting the water to the required location may be hampered by the physical structure of the hull, however. There are lithium battery chemistries that have much higher temperature limits that make them no different than paper or liquid fuel, as well. The lithium is not what is burning, it is the electrolyte material. Cobalt, by the way, actually reduces the volatility of the electrolyte. Lithium Iron Phosphate is quite safe, but it has lower energy density.
Yes, you can put out a small lithium-ion battery fire with water, dry chemical, foam, or CO2. However, lithium reacts explosively with water, producing toxic gases and highly flammable hydrogen. This exothermic reaction can last longer than sodium and water's reaction
@@Markle2k The fire triangle does not apply to lithium battery fires, as the lithium reacts with water to generate it's own heat. As for calling the fire chief uninformed, really says it all about your comment.
@@G-ra-ha-m You're layering the dumb here. The fire triangle is basically a way to shorthand to laymen how chemical reactions work. You need your reactants (fuel and oxidizer) and you need activation energy (heat) to start and sustain the reaction. Lithium is not what burns in a thermal runaway. Lithium is a relatively small part of the battery. They are called Lithium-ion batteries because they are the charge carriers, not because there is a lot of elemental lithium metal in them. The lithium *CAN* start the thermal runaway by having a dendrite create a short circuit bridging the charge separator between the anode and cathode, generating enough heat to degrade the electrolyte. THAT is what provides the oxygen. The "fuel" is the remainder of the organics. That reaction generates heat, sustaining the chain of events. But, water is a fantastic, non-reactive, heat absorber in a fluid form that convects heat away from the source. Individual cells of car lithium batteries have a thermally conductive shell and a relatively high surface area to volume for effective thermal management in everyday use. So you dunk the battery to remove the heat, since you can't take out the fuel or the oxidizer side of the triangle from the sealed cells. This is what they did to that Mercedes that was on the Ro-Ro transport ship that caught fire off Amsterdam. They determined by thermal camera that the battery was warmer than they were comfortable with, so they picked up the car with a forklift and dunked it in a skip filled with water. Mission accomplished. No need for pouring 30,000 gallons over it for hours. If the fire chief knew how a lithium battery fire was fought, he wouldn't have said that. He isn't from a state with a large EV adoption rate so his ignorance is not unexpected. It's that simple. As for me, I have been using lithium batteries in projects in daily use for well over a decade. I know how *and where* to safely charge the far more volatile battery chemistries used in RC vehicles. They are charged with a programmable charger in a fireproof bag, on a fireproof surface, in a largely fire resistant room with plenty of available water, the bathroom. Nothing but tile and gypsum sheetrock to burn. The bag is designed to contain a bursting cell and its fire. All the flammables, the linens, are separated in cabinets, except for those in use.
@@williamlloyd3769 Dry chemical, foam and CO2 will do little to a battery fire. The combustion is happening on the inside of the case and the electrolyte decomposition is the source of the oxygen. Once a cell bursts, there is nothing to contain the hot oxygen near the 'fuel' and shrapnel is the main danger. You have to take away the heat or isolate it and let it burn itself out. For small individual cells, that's a bucket of water or dry sand (wet sand can act as a tamper). For a car alongside the road, that's a continuous flow of water over or through the battery. There is very little elemental lithium in a Lithium-Ion battery. Unlike the non-rechargeable camera batteries that you may have seen, there is no metallic lithium to react with. Also, Lithium is relatively unreactive compared to Sodium. The name Lithium-Ion is a clue. Reactivity in the periodic table is higher as you go down on the left-hand side. Rubidium and Cesium are the nastiest ones that will react in air. The initial source of the heat for a thermal runaway, a reaction that creates the oxygen for the separate combustion reaction, is either an internal fault from misuse, or an external puncture, that causes a short circuit within an individual cell or between cells. The combustion reaction is between the freed oxygen and the remaining organic component of the electrolyte rearranging themselves into a higher entropy state. The heat generated from the decomposition reaction and the combustion reaction can then heat neighboring cells into thermal runaway.
Lithium Batteries can cause fires! Not only the installed Equipment! E- bikes, some toys for water sports are also dangerous! As a yacht owner, I would care, how to get rid of this in case of fire, immediately!
They had just watched the James Bond film Love and let Die with the boat chase / jump scene. Captain said. Hold my beer. And get me a bourbon, make it a double… Full throttle, hold on…
If you search the news, you will find one of the small ferries that runs from Ibiza to Formentera did exactly this, I think near the small passage between the island of formentera an Ibiza town.😅😅
Just saw a video of the Steve Jobs yacht getting rammed another yacht along the coast of Italy by Naples. The other yacht was apparently the yacht of Ricardo Salinas Pliego.
Always heard YT was a week or later, but this is the first I have heard that there is stuff on Patreon that will never be posted here on YT. I am not against it. This is just the first time I have heard about it. Trust me, nobody cares about me or my opinion.
It seems there is ''cowboy captain'' mentality out on the water - nobody on the bridge? no sweat we just keep on at 25 knots, anything we hit is probably insured" - Echoes of that Caribbean "accident" where the private yacht sank the small tanker. Does anyone lose their captains license?
You can extinguish lithium and other burning metals, but it is incredibly difficult to do. In chemistry labs they use a fire extinguisher that covers the fire with salt. There are some decent youtube videos on the subject, 2 that spring to mind are both by Aussie youtubers, one were they show the salt fire extinguisher, and another were the presenter put out burning magnesium with petrol, which obviously sounds insane. The burning petrol uses up the oxygen, so once the petrol has finished burning the metal fire has stopped, the video was more a demonstration, and not something that could be used on a real accidental fire.
I have a small number of AA lithium batteries in my home. Even with the small number of batteries I worry that they may one day go off and start my home on fire. I see most of the RUclips sailors installing many big lithium batteries. I sure hope they at least have the knowledge of how dangerous those batteries can be.
Build a little brick enclave for them, so if they go up they do not ignite anything. I actually keep my RC lipo packs in the garden in a little 'dog kennel' for this reason.
They are installing LifePo4 batteries not lithium ion. Lifepo's are stable and do not cook off like lithiums. What is starting these fires are, laptops, cordless power tool batteries being left on charge unattended.
too many boats are being retro-fitted with offshore power systems thats not correct for the install, the blame is often shifted to the "shore/off-shore power equipment provider" and not the installer/user lack of knowledge.
Setting autopilot and then leaving the bridge is idiotic and usually illegal. The frequency of Lithium battery fires is disconcerting. Are they actually safe to use?
I think some are safe, the iron phosphate ones. But I refuse to buy an escooter or ebike, seen too many catch. I'd only use lithium where weight was a concern, boats I'd use lead-acid.
The captain should have stopped the boat if he, or she needs to see another part of a boat. The boat should not continue to be in motion! Batteries should be kept warm not hot, and not cold! Temperatures can change, and if temperatures change then this can create a fire.
@@Paul-k6w It's an abbreviation for _"as f*ck",_ meaning "to the extreme".... so _"Steady A.F."_ is a slang & very tongue-in-cheek way of saying "steady as hell" or "extremely steady". Hence his joke about being "sunk A.F".... it's certainly extremely well sunk!
Why do they put these exploding batteries in the engine room ? Put them outside up top and if there is a fire you throw them overboard fast . Worth a 1,2,5,million dollar yacht ???Fibreglass and fire don't go well together . duh
I watched a very hot video on here with a man and the fire dept. helping out . The vid shows the man using a hydraulic press to crush small AA size batteries. It sure did not take much pressure at all to cause one battery after another to start a very powerful rocket like fire. So dangerous
Need more evidence before lithium batteries are implicated. Typically a yacht this size gets its Electricity needs from shore power or Diesel generators. As for the fire sustaining itself, common knowledge is once a fiberglass yacht hull is on fire it is near impossible to put out as the resin burns.
I think the fire chief has seen enough fires and is qualified to say that the fire looked like it was caused by lithium batteries. Also just because the boat may have been plugged into shore power doesn’t mean the batteries are not under load or most likely on charge (often the cause of the thermal event with batteries).
Fire chiefs are pretty clued up now about lithium fires, as it's a rapidly growing problem. The risks are low for EVs, but like nuclear power plants, the risk increases with numbers. But I see the most risk with damp conditions, and also ebikes and escooters, some are cheaply constructed and a huge risk as they burn so fast and fiercely. For a boat I see no valid reason to use them at all, weight is not such a big issue in a boat. It would be as crazy as using a lithium 'powerwall' next to a house..
I am willing to bet that it was a lithium ( Li-Ion) battery from a water toy, or ebike etc. that started it and not a ships system battery. Everyone these days doing conversions on boats, RV and autos are using LifePo4 ( lithium iron phosphate or LFP) as the voltages are more closer to a lead acid cell voltages and 12 v charging system characteristics . A 12 v lifepo is a 4s configuration which is happy at 3.55 volts per cell = 14.2 volts right about what most alternators and charger put out A 4s Li-Ion would be around 16 volts = so the alternator charge would be inadequate and batteries never fully charge A 3s Li-ion would only be 12.6 at full charge so it is getting overcharged = def not good. Everybody out of ignorance lumps the term lithium batteries as " lithium" = Lithium Ion. Lifepo's do not catch fire and burn like li ion - they can be dropped, kicked punctured, thrown into a fire and are stable. They will NOT combust from thermal runaway, it will create some heat and there is no cascade effect - there are plenty of lab tests proving this.....Now surrounding structure NEXT to the batteries or cabling can catch fire if there is a short in the cabling and if there is no protection devices ( Class T fuse) placed at the batteries AND proper values used.
Lithium batteries should not get wet, i know, lets start putting huge banks of them on yachts, what could go wrong, duh, i wonder how long it's going to be before people acknowledge Lithium batteries are too dangerous to use in cars or boats.
@@anthonynicholas1165 The Lithium Batteries used on yachts as a replacement for lead batteries are not Lithium Ion which will suffer from thermal runaway. They are Lithium Ion Phosphate LiFePO4. I’ve never seen Lithium Ion used in that way. LiFePO4 is actually very difficult to ignite and are often seen as self extinguishing. LiFePO4 are not as energy dense as Lithium Ion and for that reason not used in automotive/ebike/consumer electronics.
This is as stupid as when they guessed that the freemantle highway was started in a EV. The only thing that didnt burn sas the EV:s. Dont let people speculate.
'The boat is now Sunk AF', lol! That's funny AF! eSysman always bringing his A game!
The Marine fire depts will purposely sink any vessels on fire.
I asked them why and they said because that way we know it's out
😂
I own a 90 feet boat on the Island and have been talking to my Captain and the Crew who are born local as well and I will tell you what really happened. This is verfied from various sources on the island.
The boat was chartered from Ibiza to Formentera which is standard place to go (or Cala Jondal). The clients went to Beso Beach (fancy lunch place with a party vibe) and the captain+crew decided to join them. It went wild (lots of alcohol) all day until the night.
The good part of the story was that the clients realized the captain was so drunk they didn't fell safe to go back with him in the darkness to Ibiza. So decided they all took the Ferry back to port in Ibiza.
The captain went back with his crew-member in the middle of the night. He went without GPS (not sure if it was broken or he didnt bother to turn it on). Only problem he went the wrong direction so he went right up on the island...
This colombian captain had some minor incident before and now he is done for good as a captain.
I am new to your channel and had no idea the yachting world was so chaotic!!
I think it may appear that way because we are focused on news but I have worked in the industry for many years and have never been involved in any incident like you see here.
sunk af!!! couldnt stop laughing on that one sir
These boats are run by idiots! You should have a channel area called the Darwin boat mishap channel. This is much like natures way of thinning the herd. Great Video!
Great job. Thanks for the update. Thanks for continuing to bring us great content. Thanks for sharing.
Mate i don't know where you got the info about the boat in Formentera, but i can tell you that the cap was drunk AF, the customers left the island on the ferry and the crew had to return to dock, he was cruising at 40kt and run into the sand dune because it looked like the "passage" that is further up north, nobody but the insurance would believe that you go check the engine room at that speed
btw they had to hire a private company because here on the islands sea rescue only assists if there are lifes in danger, otherwise they relate you to a 7 companies list that charge you 10% of the boat value upfront or more (as in this case)
If you want to talk to us contact us on news@esysman.co.uk
It’s also a rock not a sand dune that she was perched on. If the rock wasn’t there she might of made it over and back into the water 😂. Everyone in Ibiza knows Peters side to the story.
'sunk af' priceless!
Well, everyone who watched "Hangover 2" knows, how yachts end up on a beach... 🎉
Ahhh you’ve done it again, another great update E !!
Sunk AF / "the name suggests a Russian owner" - here for the news AND humor.
Lithium Batteries fires they don't go out until they run out of energy. Water has no effect.
You are as uninformed as the fire chief. Immersion in water eliminates one side of the fire triangle: it robs it of the heat required to sustain the decomposition reaction. When that is done, the generation of oxygen stops as well. Getting the water to the required location may be hampered by the physical structure of the hull, however. There are lithium battery chemistries that have much higher temperature limits that make them no different than paper or liquid fuel, as well. The lithium is not what is burning, it is the electrolyte material. Cobalt, by the way, actually reduces the volatility of the electrolyte. Lithium Iron Phosphate is quite safe, but it has lower energy density.
Yes, you can put out a small lithium-ion battery fire with water, dry chemical, foam, or CO2. However, lithium reacts explosively with water, producing toxic gases and highly flammable hydrogen. This exothermic reaction can last longer than sodium and water's reaction
@@Markle2k The fire triangle does not apply to lithium battery fires, as the lithium reacts with water to generate it's own heat.
As for calling the fire chief uninformed, really says it all about your comment.
@@G-ra-ha-m You're layering the dumb here.
The fire triangle is basically a way to shorthand to laymen how chemical reactions work. You need your reactants (fuel and oxidizer) and you need activation energy (heat) to start and sustain the reaction.
Lithium is not what burns in a thermal runaway. Lithium is a relatively small part of the battery. They are called Lithium-ion batteries because they are the charge carriers, not because there is a lot of elemental lithium metal in them.
The lithium *CAN* start the thermal runaway by having a dendrite create a short circuit bridging the charge separator between the anode and cathode, generating enough heat to degrade the electrolyte. THAT is what provides the oxygen. The "fuel" is the remainder of the organics. That reaction generates heat, sustaining the chain of events.
But, water is a fantastic, non-reactive, heat absorber in a fluid form that convects heat away from the source. Individual cells of car lithium batteries have a thermally conductive shell and a relatively high surface area to volume for effective thermal management in everyday use.
So you dunk the battery to remove the heat, since you can't take out the fuel or the oxidizer side of the triangle from the sealed cells.
This is what they did to that Mercedes that was on the Ro-Ro transport ship that caught fire off Amsterdam. They determined by thermal camera that the battery was warmer than they were comfortable with, so they picked up the car with a forklift and dunked it in a skip filled with water. Mission accomplished. No need for pouring 30,000 gallons over it for hours.
If the fire chief knew how a lithium battery fire was fought, he wouldn't have said that. He isn't from a state with a large EV adoption rate so his ignorance is not unexpected. It's that simple.
As for me, I have been using lithium batteries in projects in daily use for well over a decade. I know how *and where* to safely charge the far more volatile battery chemistries used in RC vehicles. They are charged with a programmable charger in a fireproof bag, on a fireproof surface, in a largely fire resistant room with plenty of available water, the bathroom. Nothing but tile and gypsum sheetrock to burn. The bag is designed to contain a bursting cell and its fire. All the flammables, the linens, are separated in cabinets, except for those in use.
@@williamlloyd3769 Dry chemical, foam and CO2 will do little to a battery fire. The combustion is happening on the inside of the case and the electrolyte decomposition is the source of the oxygen. Once a cell bursts, there is nothing to contain the hot oxygen near the 'fuel' and shrapnel is the main danger. You have to take away the heat or isolate it and let it burn itself out. For small individual cells, that's a bucket of water or dry sand (wet sand can act as a tamper). For a car alongside the road, that's a continuous flow of water over or through the battery.
There is very little elemental lithium in a Lithium-Ion battery. Unlike the non-rechargeable camera batteries that you may have seen, there is no metallic lithium to react with. Also, Lithium is relatively unreactive compared to Sodium. The name Lithium-Ion is a clue.
Reactivity in the periodic table is higher as you go down on the left-hand side. Rubidium and Cesium are the nastiest ones that will react in air.
The initial source of the heat for a thermal runaway, a reaction that creates the oxygen for the separate combustion reaction, is either an internal fault from misuse, or an external puncture, that causes a short circuit within an individual cell or between cells. The combustion reaction is between the freed oxygen and the remaining organic component of the electrolyte rearranging themselves into a higher entropy state. The heat generated from the decomposition reaction and the combustion reaction can then heat neighboring cells into thermal runaway.
"Now it is sunk A F!"
Lmao...at 0 6 hundred AM 🤣🤣🤣!
Thx for that, my boot guy 🙏👍🍻🕊🇩🇪🌻
Lithium Batteries can cause fires! Not only the installed Equipment! E- bikes, some toys for water sports are also dangerous! As a yacht owner, I would care, how to get rid of this in case of fire, immediately!
In RVs too. I would love to buy an escooter, but I dare not, purely for safety.
So how fast was he going that he left it on autopilot and ran up that far on the beach?
Looks like The Beached boat was traveling pretty fast thank goodness no one on the water or on the beach were killed
They had just watched the James Bond film Love and let Die with the boat chase / jump scene. Captain said. Hold my beer. And get me a bourbon, make it a double… Full throttle, hold on…
Hello! "YaroslAva"!
Isn't that a Beachcraft?
Is that a NO PARKING sign on S'Espalmador? 😄
If you search the news, you will find one of the small ferries that runs from Ibiza to Formentera did exactly this, I think near the small passage between the island of formentera an Ibiza town.😅😅
Going to see an increase in these...
Should have a video about insurance claims...
Just saw a video of the Steve Jobs yacht getting rammed another yacht along the coast of Italy by Naples. The other yacht was apparently the yacht of Ricardo Salinas Pliego.
The other yacht was lady moura
Both were at anchor IIRC.
Sunk af lol!
The things that go on!!
Hey up sysman all that pollution and i have to pay for driving in my town's clean air zone, good reporting mate
I was told never store title and insurance papers to close to each other because they tend to spontaneously combust.
Yacht insurance brokers are licking their lips lately...
Always heard YT was a week or later, but this is the first I have heard that there is stuff on Patreon that will never be posted here on YT.
I am not against it. This is just the first time I have heard about it. Trust me, nobody cares about me or my opinion.
It seems there is ''cowboy captain'' mentality out on the water - nobody on the bridge? no sweat we just keep on at 25 knots, anything we hit is probably insured" - Echoes of that Caribbean "accident" where the private yacht sank the small tanker. Does anyone lose their captains license?
Does anybody know what type of Lithium batteries were involved?
Lithium oxidates with oxygen so I'd try powder or inert gas in the early phases of the fire to put it out.
When I watch yacht reviews ,every time they have a handheld vac on charge in a locker, don’t think that’s something I would do.
You can extinguish lithium and other burning metals, but it is incredibly difficult to do. In chemistry labs they use a fire extinguisher that covers the fire with salt. There are some decent youtube videos on the subject, 2 that spring to mind are both by Aussie youtubers, one were they show the salt fire extinguisher, and another were the presenter put out burning magnesium with petrol, which obviously sounds insane. The burning petrol uses up the oxygen, so once the petrol has finished burning the metal fire has stopped, the video was more a demonstration, and not something that could be used on a real accidental fire.
I have a small number of AA lithium batteries in my home. Even with the small number of batteries I worry that they may one day go off and start my home on fire. I see most of the RUclips sailors installing many big lithium batteries. I sure hope they at least have the knowledge of how dangerous those batteries can be.
There about as safe and effective as the Jew trumpccine.
Build a little brick enclave for them, so if they go up they do not ignite anything. I actually keep my RC lipo packs in the garden in a little 'dog kennel' for this reason.
They are installing LifePo4 batteries not lithium ion. Lifepo's are stable and do not cook off like lithiums. What is starting these fires are, laptops, cordless power tool batteries being left on charge unattended.
Lithium Ion or Lithium Iron Phosphate?? BIG DIFFERENCE
too many boats are being retro-fitted with offshore power systems thats not correct for the install, the blame is often shifted to the "shore/off-shore power equipment provider" and not the installer/user lack of knowledge.
0:55 it is forbidden to park here!
Setting autopilot and then leaving the bridge is idiotic and usually illegal. The frequency of Lithium battery fires is disconcerting. Are they actually safe to use?
I think some are safe, the iron phosphate ones.
But I refuse to buy an escooter or ebike, seen too many catch.
I'd only use lithium where weight was a concern, boats I'd use lead-acid.
As said before Lithium battery fires need powder , not the water that sinks the boat !
Yeah, so how fast does a yacht need to go to propel so far up a sand dune and not near the shoreline. I think alcohol was involved.
It's happening with electric cars too..he aware folks!!!
What is happening?
Hmm, now you made me curious, because as an Austrian I have no glue what "AF" stands for?
As Fuck
Thx!
Silly how ANY Driver leaves the wheel . No excuse , Safety always First . Hard way to learn, sure he is fired now
Is it wright for a fire captain to assume it's a lithium battery so soon.
He was there, and he's the expert.
Love your videos 💘🌺
The captain should have stopped the boat if he, or she needs to see another part of a boat. The boat should not continue to be in motion!
Batteries should be kept warm not hot, and not cold! Temperatures can change, and if temperatures change then this can create a fire.
Bet they were ncm batteries nickel cobalt manganese NCM chemistry.
Another educational video. Never heard of "af" until I looked it up after the video. Still don't get it.
You looked it up but still don't get it?
@@festerofest4374 Is it ass f or as f. if as f, i still don't get it.
@@Paul-k6w It's an abbreviation for _"as f*ck",_ meaning "to the extreme".... so _"Steady A.F."_ is a slang & very tongue-in-cheek way of saying "steady as hell" or "extremely steady". Hence his joke about being "sunk A.F".... it's certainly extremely well sunk!
i wonder if the retardant foam does more environmental damage than the fire 😅
Why do they put these exploding batteries in the engine room ? Put them outside up top and if there is a fire you throw them overboard fast . Worth a 1,2,5,million dollar yacht ???Fibreglass and fire don't go well together . duh
Just because the li-ion batteries are on fire doesn't mean they started the fire...................
Even more fires 🤷♂ what's going on. Auto pilot in the dark with no watchman 🤦♂ Tugged off the beach, sounds fun.
You can't park that there mate!!
Insurance job ?
These boats need to use Lithium iron phosphate battery cause they will not burn....Thanks my friend....
Old F-4 II Shoe🇺🇸
Buy new shoes.. thanks mate
Lead acid is just fine.
I watched a very hot video on here with a man and the fire dept. helping out . The vid shows the man using a hydraulic press to crush small AA size batteries. It sure did not take much pressure at all to cause one battery after another to start a very powerful rocket like fire. So dangerous
Hey you can't park there.
Yeah lithium! Keep buying EV
Need more evidence before lithium batteries are implicated. Typically a yacht this size gets its Electricity needs from shore power or Diesel generators. As for the fire sustaining itself, common knowledge is once a fiberglass yacht hull is on fire it is near impossible to put out as the resin burns.
Loads of yachts have lith-ion batteries onboard. Whether it be for the boat itself of something as simple as an ebike.
I think the fire chief has seen enough fires and is qualified to say that the fire looked like it was caused by lithium batteries. Also just because the boat may have been plugged into shore power doesn’t mean the batteries are not under load or most likely on charge (often the cause of the thermal event with batteries).
Fire chiefs are pretty clued up now about lithium fires, as it's a rapidly growing problem. The risks are low for EVs, but like nuclear power plants, the risk increases with numbers.
But I see the most risk with damp conditions, and also ebikes and escooters, some are cheaply constructed and a huge risk as they burn so fast and fiercely.
For a boat I see no valid reason to use them at all, weight is not such a big issue in a boat. It would be as crazy as using a lithium 'powerwall' next to a house..
I am willing to bet that it was a lithium ( Li-Ion) battery from a water toy, or ebike etc. that started it and not a ships system battery. Everyone these days doing conversions on boats, RV and autos are using LifePo4 ( lithium iron phosphate or LFP) as the voltages are more closer to a lead acid cell voltages and 12 v charging system characteristics .
A 12 v lifepo is a 4s configuration which is happy at 3.55 volts per cell = 14.2 volts right about what most alternators and charger put out
A 4s Li-Ion would be around 16 volts = so the alternator charge would be inadequate and batteries never fully charge
A 3s Li-ion would only be 12.6 at full charge so it is getting overcharged = def not good.
Everybody out of ignorance lumps the term lithium batteries as " lithium" = Lithium Ion.
Lifepo's do not catch fire and burn like li ion - they can be dropped, kicked punctured, thrown into a fire and are stable. They will NOT combust from thermal runaway, it will create some heat and there is no cascade effect - there are plenty of lab tests proving this.....Now surrounding structure NEXT to the batteries or cabling can catch fire if there is a short in the cabling and if there is no protection devices ( Class T fuse) placed at the batteries AND proper values used.
Hmmm. No good news. Good reporting though.
Insurance jobs
Lithium batteries should not get wet, i know, lets start putting huge banks of them on yachts, what could go wrong, duh, i wonder how long it's going to be before people acknowledge Lithium batteries are too dangerous to use in cars or boats.
@@anthonynicholas1165
The Lithium Batteries used on yachts as a replacement for lead batteries are not Lithium Ion which will suffer from thermal runaway. They are Lithium Ion Phosphate LiFePO4. I’ve never seen Lithium Ion used in that way. LiFePO4 is actually very difficult to ignite and are often seen as self extinguishing. LiFePO4 are not as energy dense as Lithium Ion and for that reason not used in automotive/ebike/consumer electronics.
This is as stupid as when they guessed that the freemantle highway was started in a EV. The only thing that didnt burn sas the EV:s. Dont let people speculate.
Global Economic Recession:
Two Words:
Insurance Fraud
When the real-estate investments goes belly up the yacht goes boom .
#8 in the Comments 💙💘❤
BOOZE AND DETERIORATING ECONOMY
And people wonder why smart people don't buy Eevee vehicles
@@fosterkennel649 land sharks!
This is old news?
insurance jobs with stock marker collapsing
How did Mike Lynch's wife survive and her husband and daughter drowned?
Were they not together
God will provide, no need to beg from Satan, provided you’re worthy.
W£ hy do you talk about a Yacht with a crew and an engine room and show a picture of a little motor boat? FALSE NEWS!
?? Time stamp?
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Smaller boats have engine compartments. Most that size are big enough to be considered engine rooms. Not a little motor boat anyway. Why the big deal?
@@TerryKeever Maby envy ??
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