Its good to know that the owner who uses his helicopter to get from his estate to the airport to fly his Gulfstream to the Med to catch another helicopter to this ship, then sailing with his support yacht, carrying his Sub, speedboats, jet ski's and spare helicopter is doing his bit for the environment!
I live on a 35’ sailboat, I have 850W of solar and a 400W wind generator, it supplies all of my electrical needs and every system is electric except a 42hp diesel and a diesel heater. All cooking, 2 induction tops and a convection oven, 2 freezers and a fridge (150qt total) all electrics, pumps, fans and hot water heater is electric. I installed a 1000Ah LiFePO4 battery bank and the entire system works very well for my needs. Obviously a mega yacht has a lot more electrical requirements/systems but solar and wind power can be very valuable to smaller vessels. I love not paying for power, I spend 9mos a year “off grid” at anchor. Solar is not a boogeyman.
There's nothing wrong with solar, but solar isn't doing anything on this yacht. And as soon as you take off heat and propulsion obviously requirements go way down.
@@andrewpease3688 There are sailboats with electric motors but I do not have enough solar or a large enough battery bank to support that set up. Heat also takes a ton of electricity and diesel is readily available, I can keep the boat at 80F (when it's below freezing outside) for around 1/3gal per day. Most of the power comes from solar but the wind generator has saved me a few times when there was prolonged cloud cover.
@@sailing_el_jaleo with all that water as a sink/source of heat around you, you might look to see what a heat pump might do for you. Heat pumps are quite inexpensive in Sweden if you could adapt a household unit for marine use.
Hey up sysman really well done video and well said, like that first yacht has a good look and to be doing something towards cutting fuel has to be heading in the right direction
It’s a start. I doubt solar can ever power a superyacht, but if people with the big bucks boost its development, it could well power my cat in my lifetime. So far, I’ve installed panels everywhere I can, but it barely covers my AC and galley needs on a good day.
um - 30 panels at 540 watts (the new standard) is 17kw. thats 4 or 5 standard homes worth. Even if we assume a 12 hour day and batteries thats 8kw available all the time. thats enough to run the lights and maybe the galley (but not the laundry or the hot water)
Motor yacht B looks to be an interesting design. Very clean look so far. PS - Construction phase of any business is always hazardous as the firefighting systems are not fully commissioned nor is it crewed and so unable to report fire in a timely manner
Yes, the construction phase of the shipyard is the most vulnerable period for both yachts as well as major ships. We need to look no further than the USS BONHOMME RICHARD to see that. Her primary automated fire fighting system were all inactive during her shipyard period. Additionally, all of her fire boundaries were open to facilitate the running of the shipyard’s cables and ducting required to complete the work. And these ships were built from the ground up with minimal flammable materials, whereas the majority of the materials found on super yachts would never be allowed on board Navy vessels because they’re much too vulnerable to a fire.
Thanks eSysman. Great YotSpot pics, especially Amadea. The brand newly launched Motor Yacht B is attractive but in a different way. Personally I'm partial to old fashioned clipper ship style bows. But they do not look good on the crisp and 'straighter' lines of modern-day builds. The esthetics of Amadea and similar vessels appeal to me more than MY B. But B does have a very classy and sophistaced look. I wonder how the inside looks.
I do have a generator onboard, but it only runs once a month just for maintenance sake. For the rest the whole boat runs on solar. I have 3.2 Kwp in solar panels and 1400 Ah in LiFePO4. When we are on anchor the solar provides all the required energy during the day to run the stabilizers (electric fins), fridges, freezers, all other boat systems, washing machine, dish washer, water maker and on top of that it can bring the batteries back to 100 % again. That means we go into the non solar hours with full batteries. We cook via induction, we have airco, we have an electric grill, oven, all runs via the inverter. We can run the boat for 3 days on cloudy days, but as soon as we move from one location to another the alternators (2 x 200 A) will charge the batteries in no time. When we pull into a port (only if necessary) we don't need water or electricity, we are 100 % self supporting. But that is us on a 50' motor yacht. The yacht in the video is 60 meters and they need a bit more energy, however you can program the inverters in such a way that solar gets used first and the generators are the back up. With our 3.2 Kwp we produce between 15 and 20 Kw per day during the summer months. This yacht may have 18 - 20 Kwp in solar panels, which means they could perhaps produce around 80 - 90 Kw per day. I did see they have a lot of shading, which is not really good for solar panels, so that is why I don't calculate with more than 80 - 90 Kw. Still, 90 Kw can run quite a bit of equipment, especially if you run it in combination with batteries and inverters. Add a modern airco system and you may be able to run most of the day time hours with one generator less.
boat building of super yacht caliber is defined as industrial/commercial and fires of consist of chemicals and fuels that require other sources of suppressants to extinguish the fires and water sometimes is a hazard to use to extinguish fires.. they can be nasty to deal with..
IN MY OPINION YOU GAVE AN EXCELLENT COMMENT ON A YACHT AN HOW GREEN IT ACTUALLY CAN BE ! AND I FOR ONE CAN APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION AND EFFORTS, AND FOR THAT I THANK YOU!
The biggest issue I have with solar panels (and I'm a guy who has solar panels on my home) is what happens during a hail storm. Once the glass/acrylic panel has been smashed, the chemicals that can leak from the solar panels can potentially give someone cancer. So yeah, I had to put a second set of acrylic above my solar panels for safety reasons.
i think if I had a yacht I would go crazy with fireproofing , all the fabrics would be fireproof Nomex , the hull would be steel , sprinkler systems would be double or triple the required amount , fuel tanks would be filed with nitrogen above the fuel level , even the paint would be intumescent . From a environmental standpoint I cannot think of anything worse than when a yacht burns to the water and sinks contaminating the air and the water.
1: Sapotage can be a reason why so many ship jacht companys burn. As a german facility manager I can tell many storys about sapotage made by "angry workers" sub contractors that where NOT payed by the companys. All big companys hire extra workers for special jobs. Often new buildings where set on fire in Germany- when much styropoor and easy burn materials is still in the buidling and NO cam is there to watch. Even ne IT building watch cam companys offer there service to protect but not IN the buidling as long as they are not ready. Some angry workers open the water pipes and set garages or new houses under water. No cam no witness. Nor crime. 2: Technical speaking: There are mobil fire detectors high end cam integrated that you put in every place where is "work in action with fire" or gasoline or other stuff that can start a fire also smoking workers...The fire protection laws in Germany are the most highest on planet but not allways be accepted. Mobil foam fire extinguisher with 500 Liter foam are a "must have when" working. Also a law thing: A company onwend led fire protection team allways there ready to reacted. What is wrong with Lürrsen? Its not a fire that can run from one building to another. That is not possible. 3: Dust or flammable solvents can create an explosions. Wood dust also. All kind of dust can create an explosion and fire! Safty first work laws are the to protect the workers and the building place. My conclusion is that Lürrsen is not working after the law. I belive that they dont tell the truth. A fire starts and no warning no fire team no watch team is ready to react? Thats a sign for "we save our many to make more money" And if the fire was SET on beoard- and the intern fire alarm system was not running why Lürrsen does not work with mobil fire detectors? They cost not much! Some 100.000 extra Euros into securiity and protection of the projects. 4: Also a possible chance: Sapotage by a professionell how hates Lürrsen. Lürrsen is a bog player. It could be that a mafia men was send to burn down Lürrsen. Its topic is a special part in protection against spionage sapotage and terror attacs. Many Intel former police companys cover this topic. Bakround checks and fire protection skills and so on. Frank facility manager
on the numbers being published. you can count the panels... 30 panels at 540 watts (the new standard) is 17kw. thats 4 or 5 standard homes worth. Even if we assume a 12 hour day and batteries thats 8kw available all the time. thats enough to run the lights and maybe the galley (but not the laundry or the hot water). it's significant, but it's not "enough" to run all of hospitality. Hey! How about an episode where you talk about the power draws onboard a superyacht!!!!! (Please?)
Agree. As someone who has been living off-grid with solar for over 20 years, only a tiny fraction of the energy needed for a yacht this size could be provided by the PV visible in the photos. Maybe the navigation system and radios?
A worker wants to complete a task as quickly as possible, so you have to have a independent person to access the risks and precautions required before work starts.Takes time and money but takes away the likely hood of fire.Clean areas of rags, oxygen,act pipes are leak proof and beware of grinding sparks.
On the Eco-yacht question. Have you seen MS Tûranor PlanetSolar on your travels? It has folding out panels larger than the yacht itself generating close to 100 kW. Hope more people build similar yachts.
We thought we had good fire fighting capability and we used to regularly practice. Once, prepping for the approach to the marina, discovered we were full of smoke! We put out the fire no probs and all the drills and practice proved invaluable, BUT, we learnt a few lessons! It was caused by a tiny $5 stuck relay that over a period of hours (er days..) had resulted in a pump running dry and becoming red hot, as per our drills we shut off all the electrics but when we tried to transmit a Mayday, realised we didn't have GPS / DSC interconnect! Also, we put out the fire with a CO2 extinguishers (we had lots of them) but we hadnt realised just how powerful they were and they exploded the fire into a million smaller fragments that took 3 days work to clean up! What we have done now is to modify the fresh water transfer system into a fire fighting system, with its own battery so the initial thrust is high pressure fresh water, supplemented extinguishers with high volume, engine driven sea water. We also now have a fire fighting nomex suit and mask etc because ours was a little fire but the fumes were intense! I am designing an electrical monitoring system to signal unusual things like pumps running dry!
Standard solar panels can handle 1” hail driven at 50 mph, which is faster than terminal velocity of a perfect sphere of ice. Not that those look standard.
I respectfully have to disagree with saying that the shipyard had adequate fire fighting equipment for the simple reason the most recent fire at Luressen burned for 24 hours before being brought under control (under control does not mean out). I was a volunteer firefighter for a decade or and while I never had to fight a fire on a boat I was several dozen warehouse fires and I think the biggest one which was also the worst because it had 2 body shops a dozen automotive repair shops and a tire 60,000 square foot Goodyear tire warehouse in it and that fire took just over 8 hours to get under control with the tire warehouse taking the majority of the time because of how difficult burning tires are to put out
Sailboats with lithium battery banks can regenerate the batteries while sailing. Look at Spirit Yachts 33.9 metre sailing yacht Geist, which is likely what you are thinking of - Green?
A 'green' solution.I work on data centers, huge consumers of power, many are now located in the Nordics, Norway is 99% hydro generation. The answer is cruise and recharge big batteries in Norway on green power, battery tech is improving all the time, someone can calculate what boat with 4MW /1hr battery range would be? eg 2 x 75kW motors running at 50% travelling at 10 knots less domestic needs but maybe solar and wind turbines can deal with that.
My own boat is moored in a harbour right next to Feadship, so I get to see quite a few superyachts. I like the design and appearance of this project better than many of the shipyard's other yachts, but it has nothing to do with climate neutrality. Many small detached houses have more solar cells on their roofs than this boat. It's embarrassing that these few solar cells haven't been standard for a long time anyway. A lot more effort could have been made to minimise the footprint. They didn't even manage to do without teak. And I would be very surprised if the generators were to see even one litre of e-fuel at some point.
713 is a great looking ship. It's actually one of the best looking ships I have seen in a long time PS The green warriors will never be satisfied, they can't be pleased. Just ignore them
The solar capacity is 24 MWh per year. That would cover my house in Houston for about 5 months, so definitely a small / supplemental source for the yacht. Nice looking, but it is definitely on the skinny side? 10m beam seams a bit undersized for that length?
I figure that's probably about 4 kW of solar panels. I suppose it could run the a/c. The 2 engines are 2 mW, so to run those you'd need solar panels the size of a couple of football fields or more.
I think you raise a valid concern when it comes to cavemen: they were burning wood all the time. Very polluting to the atmosphere. What were they thinking?
Is anyone taking into account how much energy and materials it takes to build a vessel and satisfy just a few people in uber wealth. Fuel is likely the least part of it
May you please do a coverage on how a super yacht business is operated. Curious if down-payments are need to cover starting of construction costs. Have there been issues b4 where the legal systems were needed to recover compensation. Awesome youtube episodes 🎉
If eSysman doesn't answer, there are channels that answer these questions like David Seal or Seals? on Yachts for Sale. He often has Q&A and good explainations. Tristan Mortlock on SuperYacht Captain also explains some and also the role of brokers as he owns a brokerage company. He recently had a good video on building a yacht and why you need a good broker.
You folks talking about what solar power is powering need to understand that the house load is run off batteries. The batteries are charged by the solar, alternators on main engines if equipped and generators. Most are designed for as much of house to be run off batteries during the night to cut down on noise. The solar isn't directly running anything important - just one source of charging for the batteries. Any solar reduces need for generators to run.
insurance fire claims ..when the loan is bigger than what the yachts worth there alot of times a fire.. insurance Co.pass on the lost to people that still own yatchs with higher rates
I would like to address 2 points. First, why are there a lot of shipyard fires? I was a night watchman at an expensive Yacht Club in a suburb of New York City for 2 years. The Yacht Club had it's own shipyard, and I was required to check the entire yard, every building and shed, once every hour. What I saw led me to the conclusion that a fire was inevitable, given the enormous amount of flammable chemicals, welding equipment, dried out wood, and rotting fiberglass that was everywhere. All it takes is one careless mistake and it all goes up. And the shipyard workers are not firefighters, they lack the training and the motivation to take on a dangerous fire. So it surprises me there are not more fires! (By the way, that shipyard averages 1 fire every year. Though all are small, the fire department always shows up out of fear the fire will quickly spread.) Now what about eco-friendly yachts? I am all for making things as eco-friendly as possible, but the idea that a 50, 60, or 100 meter long motor yacht could ever be considered eco-friendly is laughable. You still have to cut down many acres of woodlands for the nice interiors they normally come with, they still burn thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of gallons of fossil fuels every year, they consume enormous amounts of fluids that are extremely toxic (Lubricating oil, etc.), and they bring people into areas of pristine wilderness so they can trample and pollute them. (As was demonstrated in a recent video on this channel.) It is not the materials the yachts are made of that is the problem, it is their size. And please don't tell me anyone 'needs' a yacht that is essentially a floating "all-inclusive resort". I have been on at least a dozen yachts, all under 20 meters, and had lots of fun WITHOUT the Champagne and Beluga Caviar. It's called sailing. In my opinion, if you simply stand on deck or in the sky lounge eating and drinking from a silver service, you are not 'Yachting' anymore than if you were a passenger on a cruise ship.
July 12, 2024 Very beautiful Feadship yacht. Although I wish they had used Wartsila, Finland compressed hydrogen gas fuel engines instead of Diesel engines.
the array could crack enough Hydrogen to run a fuel cell.... but is this application just a gimick. for the money, a clean local bus could run 24/7 . nah just posturing
For the record - the amount of energy delivered by the sun itself, is circa 1 Kw/square meter, at a maximum. This is, of course, reduced by the efficiency of the solar cells themselves, which rarely reaches even ten percent. Geoff Rohde
Insurance is the only way to recoup most of their money when buyers back out or they messed up the build. If they messed up the build and it costs more to fix it then the boat is worth, meaning they have to start over and rebuild it, then light it up!
Interest are high, most billionaires likely own a lot of stock in insurance companies so when they burn their yachts to have insurance pay them off, they wont face rate increases like us plebians would.
I have a bumper sticker that reads "Let The Bastards Freeze In The Dark". I picked the sticker up 50 years ago at the Offshore Technology Conference. The moral to the story is the rich will always spend their money the way they want. Any improvement in the reduction in fuel used is better than no reduction. Designing M/Y B based on its cruising speed v. it's top speed is significant. As a rule power is proportional to the cube of the speed for displacement hulls. Lowering the speed from 16 knots to 15 knots will save a significant amount of fuel over its lifetime.
So your question is “WHY ARE THERE SO MANY FIRES IN SHIPYARDS AND SUPER YACHTS? That’s a very easy question to answer. These yachts are practically built to be burned. It’s a downright disgrace that these shipyards charge such a ridiculous amount of money for these vessels only to continue building the same basic defects into practically every single boat they build. After serving for over 20 years in the United States Navy, I can easily see the primary culprit in each and every one of these yachts. The Marine Architecture employed by these boats places engines, chillers, generators, a/c systems, fire fighting systems, hot water systems, bilge pumps, batteries, and much, much more ALL WITHIN THE EXACT SAME SPACE, then label that space as the Engine Room. On some yachts, a few of those systems might be moved over into the Lazarette, but nowhere near enough equipment is separated into separate machinery rooms as should in fact, be the case. For example, how long do you expect the fire fighting systems to function properly when they’re located in the most vulnerable area for a major fire in the entire yacht? What’s even worse is, in many yachts (not necessarily super yachts) the primary fuel tanks and oil filtration systems are all located right next to the engines themselves. The engines should be completely separate from all these other essential services, especially when such services are required to fight a fire. And when it comes to fire fighting systems, most of these new yachts are using fog systems who’s pumps are extremely vulnerable to any fire that might break out near their switchboards, electrical systems, pumps, etc…, that once compromised, eliminate the automated fire fighting systems throughout the entire boat. These systems need to be redesigned as to move the essential components, as well as their power supplies, to machinery spaces that are isolated from the engine rooms, as well as battery storage. Additionally… Lithium batteries are still highly vulnerable to shorting out and bursting into flames. In as much as I love the idea of having a hybrid powertrain for my Explorer Series Yacht, I don’t trust Lithium batteries enough to bet my entire yacht, it’s crew, and guest as well as family members on their suspect reliability. Furthermore, the same would also apply to any of the water toys, etc… that are typically found on such vessels. I highly suspect that it’s not a coincidence that as more and more lithium batteries are placed throughout our vessels that there’s also a marked increase in the number of fires that these ships are having…with the vast majority of those fires completely destroying the vessels. This should be highly alarming to the shipyards that build these gorgeous yachts. How many fires have to take place before they start to question their current methods in designing and building these yachts? 1. Engine rooms should contain nothing more than the engines, the day tank, and the oil filters required for the engines themselves. 2. As the majority of the yacht’s other systems are doubled up, those systems should be placed in separate machinery spaces, apart from each other so if critical damage occurs in one, the other can take over and be fully functional. 3. Fire fighting systems should also be separated from other systems so they’re not vulnerable to fire caused by those systems. 4. Even automatic fire detection and fighting systems should have backups, using a different approach to fight the fire, such as having HALON and/or CO2 Systems in conjunction with the FOG systems used by many of these Super Yachts. 5. Fire Main pumps should be completely separate from the yacht’s other systems. And one thing that’s often overlooked and/or missing from so many yachts are readily available hose reels and fire fighting equipment located in key locations throughout the entire boat.
Forgive me,but you lost me when you described that it might be more efficient if designed for cruising speed rather than top speed. I would think top speed design would be as sleek as you could design and therefore be more efficient as cruising speed as well. Explain for someone that is ignorant of yacht design but a big fan of your channel.
Think of it this way, a Formula 1 car’s aerodynamics are designed for the car to be as fast as possible and stable with downforce. However at low speeds this cars don’t handle well because there no air pushing down on them at low speeds, the tyres are designed to operate at high speeds, as are the brakes. A yacht that is designed to be as fast as possible will make compromises at lower speeds in order to go fast. However this yacht instead is designed to be as hydrodynamic as possible for cruising speeds instead.
You CAN buuld a net zero yacht. It would be bleeping expensive, but it could be done. The trick is to invest in a research & development pilot plant to manufacture methane from water and atmospheric carbon. This is not just theoretical, it is real. Such plants already exist. The problem is that currently it is five times more expensive to make methane this way than it is to make it out of natural gas. Methane is a great fuel to use in fuel cells to power batteries and electric motors. If that test facility manufactured at least as much methane as the yacht used, the yacht owner could legitimately label their yacht Net Zero.
The panels only really need to have the output of power to run electronics while sitting still and maybe thrusters, not really needed to power the engines to move the ship by turning the blades..
Not a bad looking boat, but I think I would pick a different hull colour. And Apple are really green 🤣🤣🤣🤣 All these eco warriors have internet and mobile phones, and Im sure travel in private petrol/diesel fuel cars at some point in the last year. A private yacht owner wont want fire fighting equipment pocking out of the ceiling into his cabins or extinguishers distracting from the décor of the rooms. |So most have what they need to pass insurance code. I dont know if as part of that the insurance company's should be insisting on less flammable materials being used in both the construction and the soft furnishings. I would want my boat as safe as possible but when you have more money than you can spend who cares really, the boat burns down the insurance buy a new one for them.
If the vessel had an actual "sail" there would be more than enough electrical output even for this size. The problem remains getting credit extended for so massive a project to be solar powered. Maybe in Spain maybe Germany but nowhere else at the moment.
I seriously doubt that solar can come anywhere near handling the non-propulsion electrical load of that yacht. Nowhere even close. It probably can't even keep up with just the ship's basic operations systems. Not even talking temperature control or stabilizers or whatnot. Just like.. the computers in the server racks and helm equipment.
Agree, a good looking yacht. Still looking for a transatlantic yacht that runs completely on hydrogen fuel cell / battery / solar. Large Wind turbines near ports would be used to create green hydrogen. Feadship needs to be like Elon Musk / Tesla and build the infrastructure as well as the hydrogen electric yachts.
The super owners realise they are pouring money down the drain and the boat does not create income,resale value is down,for the time they are aboard they could hire,they are not family friendly.my prediction is smaller boats run by the family.
Reminds me of the Come Together from Amels, in many ways. They called her a hybrid but she doesn't have electric propulsion. The solar panels are a gimmick. Pretty boat, don't get me wrong!
They need to invent an air bag system they can pop out from the 4 corners of a boat. That will stop a ship from sinking. Most of the time ships don’t just sink that fast. So an air bag system could keep the boat a float
The problem with the super yacht owners claiming "eco friendly" status, is that they are the same people telling us peasants that we must "sacrifice" and use paper straws for "the greater good".
These solar panels are for show only. They aren't making any meaningful change to the source of the ship's power. Tossing on a couple kW of solar is not "as environmentally friendly as they can be"
Its good to know that the owner who uses his helicopter to get from his estate to the airport to fly his Gulfstream to the Med to catch another helicopter to this ship, then sailing with his support yacht, carrying his Sub, speedboats, jet ski's and spare helicopter is doing his bit for the environment!
🍼
Bingo!
@@kenknight4560 same one's that are preaching to us about climate change,just like those in Hollywood,
& employing 75? staff?. Would 75 people expend the same energy in another job?
probably good for tax write off, or to make a joke at a cocktail party
I live on a 35’ sailboat, I have 850W of solar and a 400W wind generator, it supplies all of my electrical needs and every system is electric except a 42hp diesel and a diesel heater. All cooking, 2 induction tops and a convection oven, 2 freezers and a fridge (150qt total) all electrics, pumps, fans and hot water heater is electric. I installed a 1000Ah LiFePO4 battery bank and the entire system works very well for my needs. Obviously a mega yacht has a lot more electrical requirements/systems but solar and wind power can be very valuable to smaller vessels. I love not paying for power, I spend 9mos a year “off grid” at anchor. Solar is not a boogeyman.
That’s a great setup you have there!
There's nothing wrong with solar, but solar isn't doing anything on this yacht. And as soon as you take off heat and propulsion obviously requirements go way down.
@@andrewpease3688
There are sailboats with electric motors but I do not have enough solar or a large enough battery bank to support that set up. Heat also takes a ton of electricity and diesel is readily available, I can keep the boat at 80F (when it's below freezing outside) for around 1/3gal per day. Most of the power comes from solar but the wind generator has saved me a few times when there was prolonged cloud cover.
@@sailing_el_jaleo with all that water as a sink/source of heat around you, you might look to see what a heat pump might do for you. Heat pumps are quite inexpensive in Sweden if you could adapt a household unit for marine use.
Hey up sysman really well done video and well said, like that first yacht has a good look and to be doing something towards cutting fuel has to be heading in the right direction
Great episode, and thanks for your input on the future of solar power.
I see maybe 2-3 kWp of PV there ..... probably good for one AC unit on a good day
Agreed perhaps an Espresso maker on the promenade deck as well
It’s a start. I doubt solar can ever power a superyacht, but if people with the big bucks boost its development, it could well power my cat in my lifetime. So far, I’ve installed panels everywhere I can, but it barely covers my AC and galley needs on a good day.
@@Bubby869 true waste of time..
um - 30 panels at 540 watts (the new standard) is 17kw. thats 4 or 5 standard homes worth. Even if we assume a 12 hour day and batteries thats 8kw available all the time. thats enough to run the lights and maybe the galley (but not the laundry or the hot water)
@@Kosmonooit pretty sure if you can afford that boat you can afford Gallium panels .
Motor yacht B looks to be an interesting design. Very clean look so far.
PS - Construction phase of any business is always hazardous as the firefighting systems are not fully commissioned nor is it crewed and so unable to report fire in a timely manner
The fire wasn't in the yacht by accounts given so far.
Yes, the construction phase of the shipyard is the most vulnerable period for both yachts as well as major ships. We need to look no further than the USS BONHOMME RICHARD to see that. Her primary automated fire fighting system were all inactive during her shipyard period. Additionally, all of her fire boundaries were open to facilitate the running of the shipyard’s cables and ducting required to complete the work. And these ships were built from the ground up with minimal flammable materials, whereas the majority of the materials found on super yachts would never be allowed on board Navy vessels because they’re much too vulnerable to a fire.
Beautiful looking new yacht.
Does Fed-Ex deliver yachts?
I didn't know I was interested in superyachts :)
Thanks eSysman. Great YotSpot pics, especially Amadea. The brand newly launched Motor Yacht B is attractive but in a different way. Personally I'm partial to old fashioned clipper ship style bows. But they do not look good on the crisp and 'straighter' lines of modern-day builds. The esthetics of Amadea and similar vessels appeal to me more than MY B. But B does have a very classy and sophistaced look. I wonder how the inside looks.
I do have a generator onboard, but it only runs once a month just for maintenance sake. For the rest the whole boat runs on solar. I have 3.2 Kwp in solar panels and 1400 Ah in LiFePO4. When we are on anchor the solar provides all the required energy during the day to run the stabilizers (electric fins), fridges, freezers, all other boat systems, washing machine, dish washer, water maker and on top of that it can bring the batteries back to 100 % again. That means we go into the non solar hours with full batteries. We cook via induction, we have airco, we have an electric grill, oven, all runs via the inverter. We can run the boat for 3 days on cloudy days, but as soon as we move from one location to another the alternators (2 x 200 A) will charge the batteries in no time. When we pull into a port (only if necessary) we don't need water or electricity, we are 100 % self supporting. But that is us on a 50' motor yacht. The yacht in the video is 60 meters and they need a bit more energy, however you can program the inverters in such a way that solar gets used first and the generators are the back up.
With our 3.2 Kwp we produce between 15 and 20 Kw per day during the summer months. This yacht may have 18 - 20 Kwp in solar panels, which means they could perhaps produce around 80 - 90 Kw per day. I did see they have a lot of shading, which is not really good for solar panels, so that is why I don't calculate with more than 80 - 90 Kw. Still, 90 Kw can run quite a bit of equipment, especially if you run it in combination with batteries and inverters. Add a modern airco system and you may be able to run most of the day time hours with one generator less.
boat building of super yacht caliber is defined as industrial/commercial and fires of consist of chemicals and fuels that require other sources of suppressants to extinguish the fires and water sometimes is a hazard to use to extinguish fires.. they can be nasty to deal with..
Most metals will burn and are extremely hard to extinguish or contain. Aluminum is very flammable.
IN MY OPINION YOU GAVE AN EXCELLENT COMMENT ON A YACHT AN HOW GREEN IT ACTUALLY CAN BE ! AND I FOR ONE CAN APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION AND EFFORTS, AND FOR THAT I THANK YOU!
The biggest issue I have with solar panels (and I'm a guy who has solar panels on my home) is what happens during a hail storm. Once the glass/acrylic panel has been smashed, the chemicals that can leak from the solar panels can potentially give someone cancer. So yeah, I had to put a second set of acrylic above my solar panels for safety reasons.
i think if I had a yacht I would go crazy with fireproofing , all the fabrics would be fireproof Nomex , the hull would be steel , sprinkler systems would be double or triple the required amount , fuel tanks would be filed with nitrogen above the fuel level , even the paint would be intumescent .
From a environmental standpoint I cannot think of anything worse than when a yacht burns to the water and sinks contaminating the air and the water.
it could be that someone had sat fire. Lürrsen is not a good company..
Great Video. Thank You!
1: Sapotage can be a reason why so many ship jacht companys burn. As a german facility manager I can tell many storys about sapotage made by "angry workers" sub contractors that where NOT payed by the companys. All big companys hire extra workers for special jobs. Often new buildings where set on fire in Germany- when much styropoor and easy burn materials is still in the buidling and NO cam is there to watch. Even ne IT building watch cam companys offer there service to protect but not IN the buidling as long as they are not ready. Some angry workers open the water pipes and set garages or new houses under water. No cam no witness. Nor crime.
2: Technical speaking: There are mobil fire detectors high end cam integrated that you put in every place where is "work in action with fire" or gasoline or other stuff that can start a fire also smoking workers...The fire protection laws in Germany are the most highest on planet but not allways be accepted.
Mobil foam fire extinguisher with 500 Liter foam are a "must have when" working.
Also a law thing: A company onwend led fire protection team allways there ready to reacted.
What is wrong with Lürrsen? Its not a fire that can run from one building to another. That is not possible.
3: Dust or flammable solvents can create an explosions. Wood dust also. All kind of dust can create an explosion and fire!
Safty first work laws are the to protect the workers and the building place.
My conclusion is that Lürrsen is not working after the law.
I belive that they dont tell the truth. A fire starts and no warning no fire team no watch team is ready to react? Thats a sign for "we save our many to make more money"
And if the fire was SET on beoard- and the intern fire alarm system was not running
why Lürrsen does not work with mobil fire detectors? They cost not much!
Some 100.000 extra Euros into securiity and protection of the projects.
4: Also a possible chance: Sapotage by a professionell how hates Lürrsen.
Lürrsen is a bog player. It could be that a mafia men was send to burn down Lürrsen.
Its topic is a special part in protection against spionage sapotage and terror attacs.
Many Intel former police companys cover this topic.
Bakround checks and fire protection skills and so on.
Frank facility manager
on the numbers being published. you can count the panels... 30 panels at 540 watts (the new standard) is 17kw. thats 4 or 5 standard homes worth. Even if we assume a 12 hour day and batteries thats 8kw available all the time. thats enough to run the lights and maybe the galley (but not the laundry or the hot water). it's significant, but it's not "enough" to run all of hospitality.
Hey! How about an episode where you talk about the power draws onboard a superyacht!!!!! (Please?)
Air con runs 24 hours every day of the year. That's the major draw whether you're heating, cooling or just ventilating.
Agree. As someone who has been living off-grid with solar for over 20 years, only a tiny fraction of the energy needed for a yacht this size could be provided by the PV visible in the photos. Maybe the navigation system and radios?
A worker wants to complete a task as quickly as possible, so you have to have a independent person to access the risks and precautions required before work starts.Takes time and money but takes away the likely hood of fire.Clean areas of rags, oxygen,act pipes are leak proof and beware of grinding sparks.
Read recently that Octopus has had another big refit. True?
Yes true
It's good looking, I like the color. Look forward to getting more tech details.
Why don't they integrate the starlink into the body for a smooth finish? They do it with the solar panels.
Bondo and paint by Bonsink
Electrical fitting by RH marine
Sealants by Reneco
I'm willing to buy the FEDEX yacht.
On the Eco-yacht question. Have you seen MS Tûranor PlanetSolar on your travels? It has folding out panels larger than the yacht itself generating close to 100 kW. Hope more people build similar yachts.
Every photo of that solar set up is shaded
Thanks! ⚓️⚓️
If those batteries go, good night Irene
We thought we had good fire fighting capability and we used to regularly practice. Once, prepping for the approach to the marina, discovered we were full of smoke! We put out the fire no probs and all the drills and practice proved invaluable, BUT, we learnt a few lessons! It was caused by a tiny $5 stuck relay that over a period of hours (er days..) had resulted in a pump running dry and becoming red hot, as per our drills we shut off all the electrics but when we tried to transmit a Mayday, realised we didn't have GPS / DSC interconnect! Also, we put out the fire with a CO2 extinguishers (we had lots of them) but we hadnt realised just how powerful they were and they exploded the fire into a million smaller fragments that took 3 days work to clean up! What we have done now is to modify the fresh water transfer system into a fire fighting system, with its own battery so the initial thrust is high pressure fresh water, supplemented extinguishers with high volume, engine driven sea water. We also now have a fire fighting nomex suit and mask etc because ours was a little fire but the fumes were intense! I am designing an electrical monitoring system to signal unusual things like pumps running dry!
You can estimate the solar output. Assume you get 20 watts per square foot.
Standard solar panels can handle 1” hail driven at 50 mph, which is faster than terminal velocity of a perfect sphere of ice. Not that those look standard.
I respectfully have to disagree with saying that the shipyard had adequate fire fighting equipment for the simple reason the most recent fire at Luressen burned for 24 hours before being brought under control (under control does not mean out). I was a volunteer firefighter for a decade or and while I never had to fight a fire on a boat I was several dozen warehouse fires and I think the biggest one which was also the worst because it had 2 body shops a dozen automotive repair shops and a tire 60,000 square foot Goodyear tire warehouse in it and that fire took just over 8 hours to get under control with the tire warehouse taking the majority of the time because of how difficult burning tires are to put out
Sailboats with lithium battery banks can regenerate the batteries while sailing. Look at Spirit Yachts 33.9 metre sailing yacht Geist, which is likely what you are thinking of - Green?
I heard someone in politics say recently that clean energy boats won't float....uh huh.
Silent Yacht range? SILENT 120 ? Solar totally possible with that area. Besides, solar can be vertical, like sails.
A 'green' solution.I work on data centers, huge consumers of power, many are now located in the Nordics, Norway is 99% hydro generation. The answer is cruise and recharge big batteries in Norway on green power, battery tech is improving all the time, someone can calculate what boat with 4MW /1hr battery range would be? eg 2 x 75kW motors running at 50% travelling at 10 knots less domestic needs but maybe solar and wind turbines can deal with that.
My own boat is moored in a harbour right next to Feadship, so I get to see quite a few superyachts.
I like the design and appearance of this project better than many of the shipyard's other yachts, but it has nothing to do with climate neutrality.
Many small detached houses have more solar cells on their roofs than this boat. It's embarrassing that these few solar cells haven't been standard for a long time anyway. A lot more effort could have been made to minimise the footprint. They didn't even manage to do without teak. And I would be very surprised if the generators were to see even one litre of e-fuel at some point.
Amadea, THE most beautiful yacht in the world.
713 is a great looking ship. It's actually one of the best looking ships I have seen in a long time
PS The green warriors will never be satisfied, they can't be pleased. Just ignore them
Always good. Info
The starlink positions seem a little stupid, over the solar cells. Move them a 1m or so outboard on both sides and all would be fine.
The solar capacity is 24 MWh per year. That would cover my house in Houston for about 5 months, so definitely a small / supplemental source for the yacht. Nice looking, but it is definitely on the skinny side? 10m beam seams a bit undersized for that length?
deck hands, notorious for breaking things.
There seems to be so many projections that are shading the solar panels. Some panels become useless if even a tiny bit of it is shaded.
Not useless. Suboptimal. And that can be compensated for by some smart systems. Funds don’t seem to be an issue here.
I figure that's probably about 4 kW of solar panels. I suppose it could run the a/c. The 2 engines are 2 mW, so to run those you'd need solar panels the size of a couple of football fields or more.
I think you raise a valid concern when it comes to cavemen: they were burning wood all the time. Very polluting to the atmosphere. What were they thinking?
Is anyone taking into account how much energy and materials it takes to build a vessel and satisfy just a few people in uber wealth. Fuel is likely the least part of it
Hi fella, at what point does a luxury yacht/gin palace become a liability in a sea?
Apropos of nothing. A B-52 bomber is supposedly near fitting new engines. Hydrogen powered engines. 😊
A is stunning and you only fully appreciate it when you actually see it, B is exactly the opposite. The green virtue signalling is ridiculous.
May you please do a coverage on how a super yacht business is operated. Curious if down-payments are need to cover starting of construction costs. Have there been issues b4 where the legal systems were needed to recover compensation. Awesome youtube episodes 🎉
If eSysman doesn't answer, there are channels that answer these questions like David Seal or Seals? on Yachts for Sale. He often has Q&A and good explainations. Tristan Mortlock on SuperYacht Captain also explains some and also the role of brokers as he owns a brokerage company. He recently had a good video on building a yacht and why you need a good broker.
Solar may cover the lighting usage
You folks talking about what solar power is powering need to understand that the house load is run off batteries. The batteries are charged by the solar, alternators on main engines if equipped and generators. Most are designed for as much of house to be run off batteries during the night to cut down on noise. The solar isn't directly running anything important - just one source of charging for the batteries. Any solar reduces need for generators to run.
There has to be more to this solar power than we are seeing in these photos
insurance fire claims ..when the loan is bigger than what the yachts worth there alot of times a fire.. insurance Co.pass on the lost to people that still own yatchs with higher rates
I would like to address 2 points. First, why are there a lot of shipyard fires? I was a night watchman at an expensive Yacht Club in a suburb of New York City for 2 years. The Yacht Club had it's own shipyard, and I was required to check the entire yard, every building and shed, once every hour. What I saw led me to the conclusion that a fire was inevitable, given the enormous amount of flammable chemicals, welding equipment, dried out wood, and rotting fiberglass that was everywhere. All it takes is one careless mistake and it all goes up. And the shipyard workers are not firefighters, they lack the training and the motivation to take on a dangerous fire. So it surprises me there are not more fires! (By the way, that shipyard averages 1 fire every year. Though all are small, the fire department always shows up out of fear the fire will quickly spread.) Now what about eco-friendly yachts? I am all for making things as eco-friendly as possible, but the idea that a 50, 60, or 100 meter long motor yacht could ever be considered eco-friendly is laughable. You still have to cut down many acres of woodlands for the nice interiors they normally come with, they still burn thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of gallons of fossil fuels every year, they consume enormous amounts of fluids that are extremely toxic (Lubricating oil, etc.), and they bring people into areas of pristine wilderness so they can trample and pollute them. (As was demonstrated in a recent video on this channel.) It is not the materials the yachts are made of that is the problem, it is their size. And please don't tell me anyone 'needs' a yacht that is essentially a floating "all-inclusive resort". I have been on at least a dozen yachts, all under 20 meters, and had lots of fun WITHOUT the Champagne and Beluga Caviar. It's called sailing. In my opinion, if you simply stand on deck or in the sky lounge eating and drinking from a silver service, you are not 'Yachting' anymore than if you were a passenger on a cruise ship.
July 12, 2024
Very beautiful Feadship yacht. Although I wish they had used Wartsila, Finland compressed hydrogen gas fuel engines instead of Diesel engines.
the array could crack enough Hydrogen to run a fuel cell....
but is this application just a gimick. for the money, a clean local bus could run 24/7 .
nah just posturing
For the record - the amount of energy delivered by the sun itself, is circa 1 Kw/square meter, at a maximum. This is, of course, reduced by the efficiency of the solar cells themselves, which rarely reaches even ten percent. Geoff Rohde
Most efficient commercially available solar panels are in the 24-25% range in 2024 with an annual degradation in the ¼ - ½% range
Love it
As to cleaning and protection of the solar cells: BECAREFUL! DONT BREAK ANYTHING! This should work.
Where is Octopus now?
Could that project 713 make a south ocean voyage down to Antartica ? It looks small.
Well why are there so many more fires on Super yachts ???
Good question. Thermal runaway of lithium ion batteries?
Insurance is the only way to recoup most of their money when buyers back out or they messed up the build. If they messed up the build and it costs more to fix it then the boat is worth, meaning they have to start over and rebuild it, then light it up!
The panels are enough to charge the batteries that start the ICE engines that push the boat.
Interest are high, most billionaires likely own a lot of stock in insurance companies so when they burn their yachts to have insurance pay them off, they wont face rate increases like us plebians would.
I have a bumper sticker that reads "Let The Bastards Freeze In The Dark". I picked the sticker up 50 years ago at the Offshore Technology Conference.
The moral to the story is the rich will always spend their money the way they want. Any improvement in the reduction in fuel used is better than no reduction.
Designing M/Y B based on its cruising speed v. it's top speed is significant. As a rule power is proportional to the cube of the speed for displacement hulls. Lowering the speed from 16 knots to 15 knots will save a significant amount of fuel over its lifetime.
So your question is “WHY ARE THERE SO MANY FIRES IN SHIPYARDS AND SUPER YACHTS?
That’s a very easy question to answer. These yachts are practically built to be burned. It’s a downright disgrace that these shipyards charge such a ridiculous amount of money for these vessels only to continue building the same basic defects into practically every single boat they build. After serving for over 20 years in the United States Navy, I can easily see the primary culprit in each and every one of these yachts. The Marine Architecture employed by these boats places engines, chillers, generators, a/c systems, fire fighting systems, hot water systems, bilge pumps, batteries, and much, much more ALL WITHIN THE EXACT SAME SPACE, then label that space as the Engine Room. On some yachts, a few of those systems might be moved over into the Lazarette, but nowhere near enough equipment is separated into separate machinery rooms as should in fact, be the case. For example, how long do you expect the fire fighting systems to function properly when they’re located in the most vulnerable area for a major fire in the entire yacht? What’s even worse is, in many yachts (not necessarily super yachts) the primary fuel tanks and oil filtration systems are all located right next to the engines themselves. The engines should be completely separate from all these other essential services, especially when such services are required to fight a fire. And when it comes to fire fighting systems, most of these new yachts are using fog systems who’s pumps are extremely vulnerable to any fire that might break out near their switchboards, electrical systems, pumps, etc…, that once compromised, eliminate the automated fire fighting systems throughout the entire boat. These systems need to be redesigned as to move the essential components, as well as their power supplies, to machinery spaces that are isolated from the engine rooms, as well as battery storage. Additionally…
Lithium batteries are still highly vulnerable to shorting out and bursting into flames. In as much as I love the idea of having a hybrid powertrain for my Explorer Series Yacht, I don’t trust Lithium batteries enough to bet my entire yacht, it’s crew, and guest as well as family members on their suspect reliability. Furthermore, the same would also apply to any of the water toys, etc… that are typically found on such vessels. I highly suspect that it’s not a coincidence that as more and more lithium batteries are placed throughout our vessels that there’s also a marked increase in the number of fires that these ships are having…with the vast majority of those fires completely destroying the vessels.
This should be highly alarming to the shipyards that build these gorgeous yachts. How many fires have to take place before they start to question their current methods in designing and building these yachts?
1. Engine rooms should contain nothing more than the engines, the day tank, and the oil filters required for the engines themselves.
2. As the majority of the yacht’s other systems are doubled up, those systems should be placed in separate machinery spaces, apart from each other so if critical damage occurs in one, the other can take over and be fully functional.
3. Fire fighting systems should also be separated from other systems so they’re not vulnerable to fire caused by those systems.
4. Even automatic fire detection and fighting systems should have backups, using a different approach to fight the fire, such as having HALON and/or CO2 Systems in conjunction with the FOG systems used by many of these Super Yachts.
5. Fire Main pumps should be completely separate from the yacht’s other systems. And one thing that’s often overlooked and/or missing from so many yachts are readily available hose reels and fire fighting equipment located in key locations throughout the entire boat.
Forgive me,but you lost me when you described that it might be more efficient if designed for cruising speed rather than top speed. I would think top speed design would be as sleek as you could design and therefore be more efficient as cruising speed as well.
Explain for someone that is ignorant of yacht design but a big fan of your channel.
Think of it this way, a Formula 1 car’s aerodynamics are designed for the car to be as fast as possible and stable with downforce.
However at low speeds this cars don’t handle well because there no air pushing down on them at low speeds, the tyres are designed to operate at high speeds, as are the brakes.
A yacht that is designed to be as fast as possible will make compromises at lower speeds in order to go fast. However this yacht instead is designed to be as hydrodynamic as possible for cruising speeds instead.
You CAN buuld a net zero yacht. It would be bleeping expensive, but it could be done. The trick is to invest in a research & development pilot plant to manufacture methane from water and atmospheric carbon. This is not just theoretical, it is real. Such plants already exist. The problem is that currently it is five times more expensive to make methane this way than it is to make it out of natural gas. Methane is a great fuel to use in fuel cells to power batteries and electric motors. If that test facility manufactured at least as much methane as the yacht used, the yacht owner could legitimately label their yacht Net Zero.
The wood on the fore deck looks weird, is it wet?
The panels only really need to have the output of power to run electronics while sitting still and maybe thrusters, not really needed to power the engines to move the ship by turning the blades..
Those who are under sanctions are cutting their losses...
If the buyers want green, they'll get it. Too bad there are so many brands (and people) that masquerade as environmentally friendly but are not.
Not a bad looking boat, but I think I would pick a different hull colour.
And Apple are really green 🤣🤣🤣🤣 All these eco warriors have internet and mobile phones, and Im sure travel in private petrol/diesel fuel cars at some point in the last year.
A private yacht owner wont want fire fighting equipment pocking out of the ceiling into his cabins or extinguishers distracting from the décor of the rooms. |So most have what they need to pass insurance code. I dont know if as part of that the insurance company's should be insisting on less flammable materials being used in both the construction and the soft furnishings. I would want my boat as safe as possible but when you have more money than you can spend who cares really, the boat burns down the insurance buy a new one for them.
If the vessel had an actual "sail" there would be more than enough electrical output even for this size. The problem remains getting credit extended for so massive a project to be solar powered. Maybe in Spain maybe Germany but nowhere else at the moment.
if it wasnt a scam you wouldnt need subsides , the market would demand it.. crack/cocaine never needed subsides .. market driven.
I seriously doubt that solar can come anywhere near handling the non-propulsion electrical load of that yacht. Nowhere even close. It probably can't even keep up with just the ship's basic operations systems. Not even talking temperature control or stabilizers or whatnot. Just like.. the computers in the server racks and helm equipment.
Could be bankrupt people doing a lot of insurance grabbing!!!
The new Feadship looks like a military gunship . Not pretty .
Agree, a good looking yacht. Still looking for a transatlantic yacht that runs completely on hydrogen fuel cell / battery / solar. Large Wind turbines near ports would be used to create green hydrogen. Feadship needs to be like Elon Musk / Tesla and build the infrastructure as well as the hydrogen electric yachts.
You only need to know one fact. Max 20 watts per square foot Nothing more than green washing
The yacht would be good looking without those useless black patches on the roof.
The super owners realise they are pouring money down the drain and the boat does not create income,resale value is down,for the time they are aboard they could hire,they are not family friendly.my prediction is smaller boats run by the family.
With the environmental damage that these boats do, any solar is a plus !
Reminds me of the Come Together from Amels, in many ways. They called her a hybrid but she doesn't have electric propulsion. The solar panels are a gimmick. Pretty boat, don't get me wrong!
lacks deck space
thats the solar we ve been waiting for
I guess JK Rowling’s 290 foot yacht, Samara, is not worth a Yotspot. Or maybe it’s just Charleston South Carolina. I’ll keep trying!
We keep everything that is sent for use in future videos.
Trying to claim insurance.
All just for show. Just a house battery trickle feed.
How much fossil fuel does it take to make a solar panel?
Dumb question; What comprises a refit?
If it’s burning oil then it’s not green. Simple.
They need to invent an air bag system they can pop out from the 4 corners of a boat. That will stop a ship from sinking. Most of the time ships don’t just sink that fast. So an air bag system could keep the boat a float
The problem with the super yacht owners claiming "eco friendly" status, is that they are the same people telling us peasants that we must "sacrifice" and use paper straws for "the greater good".
insurance scams
insurance scams.
These solar panels are for show only. They aren't making any meaningful change to the source of the ship's power.
Tossing on a couple kW of solar is not "as environmentally friendly as they can be"
MY "B" on solar power: Much ado about nothing.