I do investigations for accidents, injuries, near misses, and property damage as part of my work when called upon. I guess this showed up on my recommendations because of what my interests are. His commentary is very pleasing to listen to, especially since I hear mostly Texan, USA dialect.
It's been a rare pleasure to have such a responsible, knowledgeable and experienced interlocutor in the unfolding tragedy of the Bayesian, and watch him rise so admirably to the somber occasion. Congrats on achieving a well-deserved milestone for the channel, and best wishes for its continued growth.
It is obvious that you have had considerable experience at sea and feel empathy with those involved. I was very pleased to see you come to the defence of the crew. It's always the captain/ train driver/ pilot that is blamed initially as they are an easy target and often used to deflect culpability from commercial failures. No wonder the channel is so popular, honesty, integrity and empathy are in short supply these days. 👍👍👍
@@hb1338I don't think it's a differenc, exactly. I'd suggest it's more like a Venn diagram with one circle inside another. Culpability has a quite specific definition, even outside legal terminology. Responsibility, on the other hand, has a variety of quite wide definitions, in terms of popular usage, and as far as I know no legal or otherwise specialised narrower definition (feel free to correct me if you know of one). I can't think of a case where "culpability" wouldn't fall within one or another definition of "responsibility", but that's mainly because "responsibility" is a very vague term. I'd rather get rid of the term responsibility and replace it with"answerability", as etymologically they mean the same thing, but the latter is clearer to the average person. But back to my point to you - simply saying"too few people understand the difference " is a gross oversimplification. Have a good night/day (depending on your timezone)
@@hb1338*you didn't say too few people understand the difference, but you implied it. Just read your comment again (can't see it while I'm writing a reply) so I'm correcting that. Point still stands, though ;)
This channel is one of the few that reports current news with accuracy and respect towards information. Always cautioning viewers on not jumpIng to conclusions as the investigations are on going. Well done, thank you.
It is the standard of reporting rarely found. Having known a lot of facts behind stories on multiple occasions, the Financial Times is the most notable to stick to the facts. It seems the Yacht Report also achieves very high standards and flags where information is of a lower standard, for whatever reason.
You shouldn’t be amazed reaching 300k , this is by far the best yacht news channel on RUclips. All due to your hard work and dedication. Thanks for all of the information.
You get subscribers because you are honest and have integrity! Viewers like what they see, which is well presented episodes, with good narration, videography and editing. Thank you.
from a completely unrelated youtube set of videos of a missing person, they were found in a river with no water in their lungs which looked suspicious (like someone killed them and dumped the body) but various experts said that sometimes someone can drown but they won't have water in their lungs because of a reflex to close their passages and they die from that. but in this case if none of them had water then it seems unlikely that all suffered from this same scenario... it's amazing how a story can take various twists as interest collects more information from different sources, like staring at something under a bright light tiny details start becoming visible
@@isaacchassman6453 They would have had to use it up first. They went into an air pocket hoping to get some time for a rescue. My thoughts are that it must have been agonizingly 'slow'. It depends on the size of the bubble how long it would have taken. Drowning would have been quicker.
Thanks for another excellent report. The new information that the gyro heading AIS data was missing, and therefore the AIS reading incorrectly showed that the vessel turned, further reinforces the time-tested truism that you cannot draw conclusions about what happened in an accident before all the data is collected an properly analyzed. The CEO of Italian Sea Group suffered from so-called "motivated reasoning", i.e. that he was predisposed to believe that the vessel his company built was "unsinkable", and thus prematurely seized on preliminary data to blame the crew for the accident.
Hey up sysman hitting 300k is only what youse deserve for all the good work youse put out so thank you all, very sad to hear about the cause of death for those souls
Why didn’t they dive out of the boat. It’s not like they were trapped at the bottom of the titanic. Also, I mean friend one and group of friends two dying on the same weekend on opposite sides of the planet? Improbable. Friend one and group of friends two are billionaires who all collaborated in and won a court case pissing off some powerful people? Highly improbable. Friend one dying while on a run through a village using a fitness app tracking and predicting his location, group of friends two die of rare weather phenomeon pushing their luxury yacht down into the water from above? Sure. 👌The name of the vessel is bayesian as in bayesian probability as in reasonable outcome? Was there a glitch in the matrix or something?
@@michelaborda4663 read somethimg that said the staircase would be hard or impossible to use if the boat was tipped in a certain direction at a certain angle. Some one more knowledgeable than me might have understood what I read. If the water was flooding in and it was dark, the passengers would be at a disadvantage even without the boat tipped.
@@thomasloper1205 Oh my god. Read the politico article titled “Mike Lynch yacht disaster: Missing tycoon’s ties to UK spy chiefs“ … Lynch got rich building spy software for the CIA and MI5 … Half his business associates were high-ranking spies. He was a James Bond fan and had a giant fishtank filled with piranhas in his office. Yeah 👍
@@samiirai1) how is "look it up" a question? (you put a question mark after it). 2) I'm a qualified and experienced audio engineer and I wouldn't be able to do either of those jobs (re "engineer is engineer") (although one of the two can involve Fourier analysis, as I've also studied - would you be able to tell me which one?) 3) To be clear I was asking how are they two sides of the same coin? I know as much as most lay people about what those two jobs entail, and I don't see any logical reason why you would say that. Anyway I'm off to bed, if you can formulate a logical response to all three questions I'll check it some time tomorrow (GMT); have fun in the meantime ;) Have fun with
@@flowsnake8732 1. google the terms, thought that one was pretty obvious. 2. Engineer is engineer, I forgot we had these audio "engineers" who are allowed the title without the degree. Sure you got your degree but it has nothing to do with engineering stuff, which both ocean and marine engineers do. You plug cables into mixers. While engineers make the stuff you use. Can you calculate the size needed for a cable running xA xP over distance through xTemp? Can you even use a calculator? Pretty basic stuff, so maybe you can. But like the engineer is engineer - I was saying engineers have the same base ground knowledge about how do technical stuff, except for audio engineers... I know where your title stems from, as you actually did need to hold knowledge of electrical engineering, which is not as much true in this day and age. Maybe some basic stuff. 3. Thought you said you was an engineer? I'm sure you know audio engineers is not the same as engineers. You would know exactly what I was talking about if were an actual engineer, go back in time and then yes, you was an engineer, but now your title is basically "audio professional". not saying it's bad, you got a nice education, no doubt. I'm saying its not the same as real engineers because if it were, you would know. Ocean engineers focus more on installations, marine is more floating stuff. Both share a good few classes during education, so I'm saying two sides of the same coin because we meet in lectures all day long. I also share lectures with electrical engineers, and other engineers. But not with audio "engineers" ;) how was that?
Congratulations on hitting the 300.000 mark with subscribers. This is definitely a niche that doesn't get that much coverage in the normal press. So thank you for all you do.
Congratulations to the British crew who saved fellow sea farers from being lost at sea, and to your channel for its faithful reporting of the news on your channel and your insistence on reporting accuracy!
I assume that you are talking about the peop ele , not the brave crew, in which case you need to research whst they actually receive versus what the tabloids tell you. Maybe you should also research what has happened to these people to force them to flee. @@Tanks_In_Space
@@Tanks_In_SpaceWhat would they have been had they reached the sinking vessel, then questioned these people as you have? And what kind of crew would leave them to fend for themselves for having a “wrong answer” as you insinuate?
@@JG-mp5nb They should be sent back to the country they came from, but we all know that NEVER happens. There are even free ferries to pick people up from international waters and bring them to Europe. Fake refugees are a money maker for charities and a burden for us taxpayers.
I drowned in a lake when I was 12. Was retrieved from bottom and resuscitated. I can tell you that drowning would not have been any less horrific that dying in an air pocket. You hold your breathe longer than you imagine you ever could. Time almost stands still and your life and thoughts pass like a movie in your brain. Then you breathe in the water. I won’t say more.
Are you saved by Jesus Christ? I have had a similar experience when I flipped a tube and hit my head on a rock. I didn't drown but nearly lost consciousness and thought I was dying. I'm saved so I know where I will go when I do die. If you are not sure, let me know I'll give you the Gospel and you can decide.
@@LiveFromLondon2 Indeed, I had a similar incident having my leg fixed under water. I struggled for a long time to get lose but not successful. I just cave in and came to complete rest. Not inhaling any water, just waiting for death. I guess people might only inhale after getting unconscious? Dunno. I was still fully conscious when I got lose by unexpected help. I was 10, maybe children are different.
Congrats eSysman on 300k, very deserved! And congrats to the crew of the M/V Mayan Queen... showcasing the best of humanity in sharp contrast to those of Constantino's ilk. Bravo chaps! 🇬🇧
Constantino should have the sense to keep it zipped untill the facts are known, the more he shoots his mouth off speculatively in a blame deflecting manner the more it looks like he thinks he might have something to worry about??
It was good news about no data on Bayesian movement futher vindicating crew from.horrible accusations. Congrats to rescuers of 104 migrants, and esysman great reporting.
Really appreciate your level headed & true approach to situations that happen at sea. We sail on the Mersey & further afield but we certainly recognise your reliable input & thorough logic! Come see us at Liverpool Yacht Club sometime - kettles on! Thank you!
The difference between dry and wet drowning lies in the body's reaction and the associated physiological processes: 1. Wet Drowning: In wet drowning, water enters the lungs. The individual inhales water, which blocks the airways, fills the lungs with fluid, and disrupts the gas exchange. This leads to a lack of oxygen in the blood, resulting in unconsciousness and, ultimately, death if no rescue measures are taken. Wet drowning is the most common form of drowning. 2. Dry Drowning: In dry drowning, no water enters the lungs. When the body is submerged or comes into contact with water, it triggers a laryngospasm (a reflex spasm of the vocal cords), which closes the airways as a protective mechanism, preventing water from entering the lungs. However, this also stops air from being inhaled, leading to oxygen deprivation. In dry drowning, unconsciousness and death from a lack of oxygen can occur, even though no water enters the lungs. In both cases, oxygen deprivation is the critical factor, but the mechanisms differ.
“Yes, this is case 1, wet drowning. The body becomes unconscious before going underwater, for example, due to alcohol or an accident. Then, water can be inhaled into the lungs.”
However there are now new criteria for medically declaring ‘drowning’ whereby the ‘wet’ and ‘dry’ distinctions are no longer current and multiple processes are included. Prior to this redefinition, there was not worldwide consensus as to what was and wasn’t considered as ‘drowning’. So the wet/dry dichotomy is no longer best practice. There are some other outdated terms that have been retired.
The regulatory investigation is being conducted by MAIB (Marine Accident Investigation Board), a UK organisation with a very strong reputation for integrity.
@@hb1338 I know that the yacht was registered in the UK, but as the incident occured in Italian waters, surely they are the responsible authority? Also the yacht was built in Italy. However the MAIB could be invited to assist.
@@RayThackeraythe comments are from the CEO if the company that owns Perini Navi, not the designer. Holland is far too smart to make such disgusting cowardly comments.
I’m not surprised some of the guest died from asphyxiation in an air pocket. As a diver i am dismayed by the long period of time before divers were on scene. The vessel sunk close to a big port just before sunrise and I’m sure there were police or commercial dive operations or even tech divers with trimix in the area. Within two hours you likely could have had divers in the water if that was made a priority. Even dragging down a HP air line and pumping in air would have kept them going.
@@daversj it's going to take 2 hours minimum to locate divers at 4 am and get them in the water. That's an optimistic estimate. Those trapped in air pockets would likely already be dead by then. At 50m depth the volume of air available is just 3% what it is at the surface, so they would be up to their necks in water. The water is colder too at that depth so the question is, what kills you first? Drowning, asphyxiation, or hypothermia?
Congrats on the 300k. I am a boater, but unlike other superyacht, boating or news channels, you have the perfect mix of info and detail on all the things you feature.
Yes, there is a video (see among my videos here on YT) showing the ship drifting essentially "bow to the wind" for the entire duration of the video until it disappears (capsized?), in any case NEVER stern to the wind. We can confirm that in this case the AIS provided incorrect data.
I have spent about 20 years of my life at anchor. If there is ever a movement while anchored, it is the anchor DRAGGING. Most times the bow stays pointed into the wind (or if the wind direction is changing, the bow will slowly turn into the wind). Sometimes, however, the anchor drags so fast that the bow "falls off" the wind until the anchor digs again.
@@RayThackeray exactly, "until the anchor digs again". And if you watch my video carefully you will see the ship first bearing off (anchor is dragging) and then suddenly luffing (anchor digs). At that moment they are with the wind abeam and with the anchor acting as a constraint. If the gust of wind arrived at that very moment, it is easy to imagine how they could capsize. The anchor (dragging/digging) could be the main suspect in this tragedy.
I think it is relevant that this was a tornado and not your typical storm. In a big storm like a hurricane the wind direction changes slowly as it passes over the vessel, it literally takes hours. This allows the crew plenty of time to reposition her into the wind, and when at anchor, it lets the yacht drift gradually to face the slow change in wind direction. The tornado or (waterspout) is such a compact storm that as it passes over you, the wind will suddenly change to the opposite direction in 30 seconds or less. This change is so fast that the crew have no time to react and they find themselves instantly facing the wrong way to weather the storm. One moment the vessel is facing the wind, the next thing they know she is beam on or stern on, which is not at all what you want to be in a storm. I also note that the forward lounge area had a "canvas" roof instead of a proper "hard" roof. It's quite possible this could have been ripped off by the tornado exposing this whole area to the storm. In any case, if she heeled over at 90 degrees the lack of a proper roof would have caused a lot of seawater to flood this area, and from there it would have easily entered the lower decks, wrecking her buoyancy and stopping her from righting herself. And of course the longer she was on her side the more seawater got in through this lounge deck roof, speeding her on her way to the bottom of the sea.
The credit is to you and your team for reaching 300K. In this day and age of BS reporting it is a nice change to receive interesting stories with good old fashioned honesty!
I send you my congratulations on achieving this milestone! I don't comment as I only ever did boating for pleasure! We as a family all got our yachtmastesr offshore to cruise along the whole of the southern coast of England from London to Penzance in the late seventies up to the mid eighties! Then due t a dear crew member, my uncle passing on we could not do boating anymore and sold her! R.I.P Uncle Alf!
@@stephenburnage7687 exactly the down draft forced an entire plane...to the ground in 15 minutes..the planet and air pressure is more powerful than an unsinkable yacht.
No. Both vessels dragged their anchors, so what? The Sir Robert Baden Powell got underway and was fine. It was a bad, sudden summer storm, but a properly built, properly maintained, properly crewed ship that was smaller and older had no difficulty overcoming the challenge the weather presented, and then conducting a rescue successfully.
Hard to imagine what these people went thru in the last minutes... It's night, a huge storm hit the yacht, it capsises and it's on the side, so everything is messed up in the cabine, they stood on the wall and the yacht sinks. After a few minutes lights went off and wenn it settled on bottom of the sea. And just waiting, that someone comes to help before the oxygen runs out.... Sheer horror.
If this were the guests first night on the ship they would have little chance of finding their way out through furniture clutter, passageways and stairs or knowing to open available emergency escape hatches in the ceiling. It is surprising that no mention has been made of available ceiling escape hatches.
Wow, this is such a deep topic! It's crazy how missing data can change the whole story, like a plot twist in a movie 🎬. It really makes you think about how important proper info is, especially in tough situations. Keep it up, your insights are top-notch! 🙌
Wonderfully uplifting story about the crew who rescued the migrants "in peril on the sea", to use venerable old location. In an age of intergroup hatreds of many stripes and of vast and frankly unconscionable inequalities, poverty and vulnerability on the part of so many, it is deeply humbling and encouraging to be reminded that there are good people, and to be reminded of our common humanity. I salute Captain Kirby and his entire crew. These are peole to look up to, to honour and to emulate.❤❤❤
I’m a retired airline pilot-Similar to a mega yacht or ocean liner captain IMHO. I love the sea, as much as the air. I like your channel, am subscribed, and your coverage and style, is the best. Thanks
Thank you for letting us know Captain Richard Kirkby and his crew of Ben Bramwell, Trystan Tanner and Ashley West are to receive the Merchant Navy Medal for their rescue of 104 people at sea. Thank you, gentlemen.
Newly Subscribed, simply because I believe 100% in the Rules of Our Waterways. This is a bit of a relief although still very sad for those who have perished. I really liked your point about how many souls have been saved this year rather than how many have been lost. The water is both an angel & demon.....you never know. God Bless all who have lost their lives to our Great Waters. - Cheers to those who have rescued and saved. Love from New York City So Many Blessings
I don't know anything about yachting, boats and ships but I subscribed a while back when I watched one of your videos of a boat show in South of France (I think)..I really enjoyed your commentary and found I could understand it clearly...I really like this channel..congratulations on reaching 301K!!
Perini Navi Leadership: It wasn't our poorly designed ships fault, it was the crew who we immediately blamed with little to no actual evidence & the AIS data did not actually support & the position of the vessel on the sea floor indicates that what we accused the crew of doing did not happen, but it still isn't our fault & is somehow the crews. We are the Boring of Italian pleasure yachts, obviously like Boeing we'd never knowingly deliver defective products. Perini Navi Staff: But, Boeing knowing delivered planes with MCAS despite knowing the system was dangerous
Giovanni of "The Yacht is unsinkable" fame sure is quick to point fingers at the crew, when it looks like the Bayesian was about as unsinkable as the Titanic.
Oh and I’m also very glad to be counted as one of your 300,000+ subscribers! You never know when the work you put in is going to catch fire and send you flying, but this channel deserves it and I feel lucky to have found it, so I’m glad it did ✌🏻
Congratulations on your 300,000 supporters! I am not knowledgeable about sailing/yachting issues, but always find you commentaries interesting and informative. Thank you. Anne in Canada.
Thank you so much for another great report and great to have some happy news alongside the Bayesian tragedy. Regarding the Bayesian I just wondered why the gyro compass data might be missing (leaving the AIS data being incomplete)? Thanks again and congrats for reaching such a milestone of 300k🎉 Love your reports.
Some many years ago we had the same problem passing the Azores , we had a 2nd yacht behind us , the same happened passing from Amsterdan to Rotterdam and where stopped by the water police and investigated. The result of this was that the AIS signal reflected against the mountains or to the high rise buildings from Scheveningen and Rotterdam so problem solved.
The sinking of the Bayesian brought me here but it's the captivating content which is keeping me here. Such a sad ending for those people. I do wonder if they had gone over safety protocol with the captain before the journey if any of them would possibly be alive today.
hb1338. Aspersions on whom? It came as a great shock to me that the overwhelming majority of super yacht OWNERS do not have safety drills when their guests come aboard. Esysman did a video on this very thing following the sinking. I watched 3 other super yacht expert You Tubers say exactly the same thing. Clearly this is troubling to the captains who think safety first. If any guests wanted this info they would most likely not want to insult their host by requesting this of the captain too. As a person who is a natural risk accessor for myself and others safety this is amazing to me. I can't imagine "so many" corporate leaders who always access risk in their business dealings assume it's not necessary for them to due so on their super yachts. What I said was a logical and legitimate question which may or may not be answered in an (Italian) inquest.
That missing heading data led to probably false theories that the anchor rode became entangled either the keel or the prop, and charges of crew negligence. Details matter. Thanks for clearing this up.
Great job you and your support crew are doing. Unfortunately this story is just so tragic. I know for those of us in the yachting world at least me , honestly this could have happened to me , I don't think I would have had the yacht " buttoned up" in that place and time with that relatively non severe weather report.
Congratulations on passing the 300K subscribers, great content over the years. Just a side note five others also received the MN Medal (MN Day was on Sept. 3rd) this year along with the four you posted about, one of them Steven M. Jones from the Wirrel, England, worked at my old company Global Marine and received the medal for championing mental health issues for seafarers, WTG Steve.
Many congratulations on reaching 300k subscribers, it is a well deserved achievement. Keep up the good work, thoroughly enjoying your other channel too!
Great work! And further evidence based on data that those who should know better ought not to jump to conclusions. Thank you for your professionalism. Here’s to the *-next-* 300k … 🎉
Big congrats on getting 300k subscribers. I don't do social media much and rarely comment. The value I get from the channel is from your objective expertise you present so well. I have learned a lot so far and look forward to future posts. Keep up the good work 👍
Balanced and informative reporting much appreciated, the Bayesian particularly sensitive subject. Curious about her anchored status following event and a reported missing tender. So much to glean from this, put blame aside from the survivors of a tragedy we can't comprehend. Constantino should retract his unprofessional and clumsy comments, he clearly has never experienced an event on this scale.
Congrats to the subscriber numbers, may you hit 3 M real soon. Also congrats to the Brits on your medals, I had to do the same thing a couple of times when I worked on the ships.
I almost bought a 26.5 meter sailing yacht earlier this year, I backed out if the deal at a huge financial cost to myself as they didn't return the deposit after doing so, the yacht was to be refit with a new engine by the seller and 10 days before delivery the seller decided to chop up interior structural framework to try and make the bigger engine fit, basically ruining the yacht, I walked away immediately as I felt the yacht was no longer safe to take to sea. It was a CNB 87 Ketch fixed keel only one of it's kind in the world. Real unfortunate. It had me thinking on the larger yachts with the lowering keel, I am surprised there is not a mandatory emergency lowering system that say the yacht reaches a 30° or higher list that the system automatically kicks in and lowers the keel. I think this is something the industry should implement on all lowering ballast keel yachts. This could have very easily saved the yacht and everyone on board. Just my two cents on what could be done to prevent this in the future.
Hmmmmm, I've got a slight problem with anything "automatic" on a vessel (hydrostatic release of liferaft and automatic activation of the EPIRB excepted). The harsh maritime environment is no friend for electronics. What works lovely from behind a desk in a well protected area on land fails after a short time at sea, the more sophisticated the faster it goes. Sometimes with dramatic consequences. With your example of the keel, as lovely as it might sound in one situation, it could be a complete disaster in different circumstances.
@@dodystiller3718Nothing says that the auto release has to electronic. Hydrostatic release dystems are analogue and it's not the a big deal to make something that detects the angle of heel. An inclinometer for example.
In this instance, according to the video footage, the Bayesian remained upright until it suddenly and catastrophically capsized. There wouldn't have been time to lower the 60 tonne keel but I agree had it been in place (lowered) it would have helped stabilise the vessel.
Not sure the retracting lower part of the keel on the Bayesian was the major part of the ballast , more a foil to aid sailing to windward. If the lowering section doesn't contain the ballast section it has much less effect on the righting moment when lowered. In any case the yacht had no sail set so the force on the rigging would only be a fraction of that with sails up even with very high winds , I feel something else was going on in addition here.
@@Gfc22 Okay. But, let's make up some quick real-life stories: the vessel has entered a port with 8 m of depth. While maneuvering she's getting hit by a proper gust ... Or suddenly another vessel appears out of nowhere and she's got to try a quick last-minute maneuver to avoid a collision ... Or, there is a hoolie blowing and she's entering this port to hide out for shelter. Something goes wrong with docking and she hits an obstacle. None of them really situations where you would like the keel to dig into the seabed and hinder you from any evasive actions.
haha i'm glad you mentioned the 4 pictures wasn't the whole crew and just the ones who were up for the british medal. i was thinking oh my gosh each guy saved an average of 25 people? they'd be exhausted! 🙂
Thank you, again. I’m not surprised at the number. I know nothing about the sea or sailing and find your presentations so interesting and easy to understand.
7:34 What was that Mr Constantino? Did I hear you say " The inevitable sinking of the boat"? That sounds a lot like a confession, seeing as you were able to state this with so much confidence before any investigation. Seeing as your company produced this vessel that was apparently compromised by design, it would be only fair to recognize your authority in matters of the vessel's shortcomings. This all has unveiled a massive design flaw. What matter of convenience would be so urgent as to ignore the risk associated with the engine room having a giant opening by the waterline? It only takes one wave. One. "Don't turn that way, she'll sink." Was that in the brochure?
That isn't the problem with the Bayesian. She didn't sink to port, she sank to starboard. Two separate watertight doors in series would have to be left open for that scenario to occur and then both of them not closed in the multiple minutes they had before the capsize. In short, Constantino is using that as a device to accuse the crew of gross negligence, and it's absurd.
Regarding the Bayesian's movements, isn't it true that no statement from the captain or crew makes any mention of controlling or steering the boat during or immediately before the storm?
Most of what we have heard from the crew have been snippets leaked to the press by the judicial investigation. I speculate - if the vessel was already heeling when it started to drag its anchor, steering it may not have been the highest priority task.
I'm not even into yachting or boating in any way but I think you are a such a great narrator and so interesting to listen to! 🙌⛵⚓
same here, very 'listenable' and interesting
Same
I do investigations for accidents, injuries, near misses, and property damage as part of my work when called upon.
I guess this showed up on my recommendations because of what my interests are.
His commentary is very pleasing to listen to, especially since I hear mostly Texan, USA dialect.
Agreed
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It's been a rare pleasure to have such a responsible, knowledgeable and experienced interlocutor in the unfolding tragedy of the Bayesian, and watch him rise so admirably to the somber occasion. Congrats on achieving a well-deserved milestone for the channel, and best wishes for its continued growth.
It is obvious that you have had considerable experience at sea and feel empathy with those involved. I was very pleased to see you come to the defence of the crew. It's always the captain/ train driver/ pilot that is blamed initially as they are an easy target and often used to deflect culpability from commercial failures. No wonder the channel is so popular, honesty, integrity and empathy are in short supply these days. 👍👍👍
Wouldn't it be nice if a few more people understood the difference between responsibility and culpability ?
Very nicely said.
@@hb1338I don't think it's a differenc, exactly. I'd suggest it's more like a Venn diagram with one circle inside another. Culpability has a quite specific definition, even outside legal terminology. Responsibility, on the other hand, has a variety of quite wide definitions, in terms of popular usage, and as far as I know no legal or otherwise specialised narrower definition (feel free to correct me if you know of one).
I can't think of a case where "culpability" wouldn't fall within one or another definition of "responsibility", but that's mainly because "responsibility" is a very vague term.
I'd rather get rid of the term responsibility and replace it with"answerability", as etymologically they mean the same thing, but the latter is clearer to the average person.
But back to my point to you - simply saying"too few people understand the difference " is a gross oversimplification. Have a good night/day (depending on your timezone)
@@hb1338*you didn't say too few people understand the difference, but you implied it. Just read your comment again (can't see it while I'm writing a reply) so I'm correcting that. Point still stands, though ;)
Ralph Freeman I agree with you.
This channel is one of the few that reports current news with accuracy and respect towards information. Always cautioning viewers on not jumpIng to conclusions as the investigations are on going. Well done, thank you.
It is the standard of reporting rarely found. Having known a lot of facts behind stories on multiple occasions, the Financial Times is the most notable to stick to the facts. It seems the Yacht Report also achieves very high standards and flags where information is of a lower standard, for whatever reason.
Do you live to get online and thank people for common practices?
@@johnsmith1474 And what do you live for. ..I guess misery is your destination..
@-sstevens5444@@-sstevens5444 not jumping to conclusions is called French sitting. Which is also know as enabling.
Think again...he is reporting on data that is different than what AIS originally had on the website.
You shouldn’t be amazed reaching 300k , this is by far the best yacht news channel on RUclips. All due to your hard work and dedication. Thanks for all of the information.
The thing we all like about this channel..is your integrity.
We can see that you are honest and factual.
best wishes sir. I hope you never change
300,000. Congratulations. Glad to be one of them. ❤
You get subscribers because you are honest and have integrity!
Viewers like what they see, which is well presented episodes, with good narration, videography and editing.
Thank you.
🙋♂️THANKS ESYSMAN , for reporting the news as accurately as possible and sharing the GOOD NEWS as well 🤗💚💚💚
from a completely unrelated youtube set of videos of a missing person, they were found in a river with no water in their lungs which looked suspicious (like someone killed them and dumped the body) but various experts said that sometimes someone can drown but they won't have water in their lungs because of a reflex to close their passages and they die from that. but in this case if none of them had water then it seems unlikely that all suffered from this same scenario... it's amazing how a story can take various twists as interest collects more information from different sources, like staring at something under a bright light tiny details start becoming visible
The scenario you describe is sometimes called "dry drowning". If you are interested look at the Wikipedia page on "Drowning".
Very sad loss of life, I have to say that running out of oxygen is more merciful than drowning, may their Souls Rest in Peace❤
Sounds about the same to me.
Neither are very bad, pass out very quickly from a few moments without oxygen
I wonder if the teen daughter also died of lack of oxygen, since she was in a room alone ( others were in a room of 5) and would’ve had more oxygen?
Apparently, many people who drown experience a sense of peace and euphoria - this is a side-effect of the hypoxia that kills them.
@@isaacchassman6453 They would have had to use it up first. They went into an air pocket hoping to get some time for a rescue. My thoughts are that it must have been agonizingly 'slow'. It depends on the size of the bubble how long it would have taken. Drowning would have been quicker.
Congrats to the crew for rescuing those people ❤
Thanks for another excellent report. The new information that the gyro heading AIS data was missing, and therefore the AIS reading incorrectly showed that the vessel turned, further reinforces the time-tested truism that you cannot draw conclusions about what happened in an accident before all the data is collected an properly analyzed. The CEO of Italian Sea Group suffered from so-called "motivated reasoning", i.e. that he was predisposed to believe that the vessel his company built was "unsinkable", and thus prematurely seized on preliminary data to blame the crew for the accident.
He has the share price and his annual bonus to protect.
As YOU'RE doing?
@@spaniardsrmoors6817 ... I think it was a very fair comment, considering the mud slinging that CEO has engaged in.
@@spaniardsrmoors6817as who's doing what?
@@flowsnake8732 Quiet snowflake
Hey up sysman hitting 300k is only what youse deserve for all the good work youse put out so thank you all, very sad to hear about the cause of death for those souls
Oh I had not considered being trapped in an air pocket and using up all of the O2, horrible.
The worst possible death ….. terrifying… poor souls 😢
Why didn’t they dive out of the boat. It’s not like they were trapped at the bottom of the titanic. Also, I mean friend one and group of friends two dying on the same weekend on opposite sides of the planet? Improbable. Friend one and group of friends two are billionaires who all collaborated in and won a court case pissing off some powerful people? Highly improbable. Friend one dying while on a run through a village using a fitness app tracking and predicting his location, group of friends two die of rare weather phenomeon pushing their luxury yacht down into the water from above? Sure. 👌The name of the vessel is bayesian as in bayesian probability as in reasonable outcome? Was there a glitch in the matrix or something?
@@jurycould4275 Very odd. Only issue is there isn't a known water to create a tornado. Crime of opportunity?
@@michelaborda4663 read somethimg that said the staircase would be hard or impossible to use if the boat was tipped in a certain direction at a certain angle. Some one more knowledgeable than me might have understood what I read. If the water was flooding in and it was dark, the passengers would be at a disadvantage even without the boat tipped.
@@thomasloper1205 Oh my god. Read the politico article titled “Mike Lynch yacht disaster: Missing tycoon’s ties to UK spy chiefs“ … Lynch got rich building spy software for the CIA and MI5 … Half his business associates were high-ranking spies. He was a James Bond fan and had a giant fishtank filled with piranhas in his office. Yeah 👍
From an ocean engineer to a marine engineer (and they are certainly not the same thing!) - I really appreciate your excellent reporting!
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two sides of the same coin.
@@samiiraihow?
@@flowsnake8732 look it up? engineer is engineer. each to their own specialty. For maritime I'd say ocean and marine is on the same coin.
@@samiirai1) how is "look it up" a question? (you put a question mark after it). 2) I'm a qualified and experienced audio engineer and I wouldn't be able to do either of those jobs (re "engineer is engineer") (although one of the two can involve Fourier analysis, as I've also studied - would you be able to tell me which one?) 3) To be clear I was asking how are they two sides of the same coin? I know as much as most lay people about what those two jobs entail, and I don't see any logical reason why you would say that.
Anyway I'm off to bed, if you can formulate a logical response to all three questions I'll check it some time tomorrow (GMT); have fun in the meantime ;)
Have fun with
@@flowsnake8732 1. google the terms, thought that one was pretty obvious.
2. Engineer is engineer, I forgot we had these audio "engineers" who are allowed the title without the degree. Sure you got your degree but it has nothing to do with engineering stuff, which both ocean and marine engineers do.
You plug cables into mixers.
While engineers make the stuff you use.
Can you calculate the size needed for a cable running xA xP over distance through xTemp?
Can you even use a calculator?
Pretty basic stuff, so maybe you can.
But like the engineer is engineer - I was saying engineers have the same base ground knowledge about how do technical stuff, except for audio engineers...
I know where your title stems from, as you actually did need to hold knowledge of electrical engineering, which is not as much true in this day and age. Maybe some basic stuff.
3. Thought you said you was an engineer? I'm sure you know audio engineers is not the same as engineers. You would know exactly what I was talking about if were an actual engineer, go back in time and then yes, you was an engineer, but now your title is basically "audio professional". not saying it's bad, you got a nice education, no doubt.
I'm saying its not the same as real engineers because if it were, you would know.
Ocean engineers focus more on installations, marine is more floating stuff. Both share a good few classes during education, so I'm saying two sides of the same coin because we meet in lectures all day long. I also share lectures with electrical engineers, and other engineers. But not with audio "engineers" ;)
how was that?
Congratulations on hitting the 300.000 mark with subscribers. This is definitely a niche that doesn't get that much coverage in the normal press. So thank you for all you do.
Yachting is rarely news but it is very intesting to see how much goes on that is never reported because it is happening in international waters.
Absolutely well done on reaching 300k 😃 I had no doubt you will and they’ll keep climbing ☺️ I thank you for your great service….. love from Malta 🇲🇹
Thanks for shedding light on this incident.
Thank you once again for an informative and well articulated update.
Congratulations to the British crew who saved fellow sea farers from being lost at sea, and to your channel for its faithful reporting of the news on your channel and your insistence on reporting accuracy!
Hopefully they gonna pay for their welfare,free housing , healthcare, etc, etc too .. but I doubt it.
I assume that you are talking about the peop ele , not the brave crew, in which case you need to research whst they actually receive versus what the tabloids tell you. Maybe you should also research what has happened to these people to force them to flee. @@Tanks_In_Space
@@Tanks_In_Space One planet, one people.
@@Tanks_In_SpaceWhat would they have been had they reached the sinking vessel, then questioned these people as you have? And what kind of crew would leave them to fend for themselves for having a “wrong answer” as you insinuate?
@@JG-mp5nb They should be sent back to the country they came from, but we all know that NEVER happens. There are even free ferries to pick people up from international waters and bring them to Europe. Fake refugees are a money maker for charities and a burden for us taxpayers.
I drowned in a lake when I was 12. Was retrieved from bottom
and resuscitated. I can tell you that drowning would not have
been any less horrific that dying in an air pocket. You hold
your breathe longer than you imagine you ever could. Time
almost stands still and your life and thoughts pass like a movie
in your brain. Then you breathe in the water. I won’t say more.
Are you saved by Jesus Christ? I have had a similar experience when I flipped a tube and hit my head on a rock. I didn't drown but nearly lost consciousness and thought I was dying. I'm saved so I know where I will go when I do die. If you are not sure, let me know I'll give you the Gospel and you can decide.
Absolute nonsense.
say more, i want to know how its like to breathe water :)
So good to know that you survived.
@@LiveFromLondon2 Indeed, I had a similar incident having my leg fixed under water. I struggled for a long time to get lose but not successful. I just cave in and came to complete rest. Not inhaling any water, just waiting for death. I guess people might only inhale after getting unconscious? Dunno. I was still fully conscious when I got lose by unexpected help. I was 10, maybe children are different.
Congrats eSysman on 300k, very deserved! And congrats to the crew of the M/V Mayan Queen... showcasing the best of humanity in sharp contrast to those of Constantino's ilk. Bravo chaps! 🇬🇧
Your sincerity and evenness with the news is why we are here. Well done.
Constantino should have the sense to keep it zipped untill the facts are known, the more he shoots his mouth off speculatively in a blame deflecting manner the more it looks like he thinks he might have something to worry about??
totally agree with you, or maybe he just likes to be talked about?
He is trying to prevent the share price of his company from plummeting.
Maybe you should to...
He knows his share prices are not UNSINKABLE !
@@louisavondart9178 😂🤣😅 unsinkable is unthinkable
It was good news about no data on Bayesian movement futher vindicating crew from.horrible accusations. Congrats to rescuers of 104 migrants, and esysman great reporting.
YES ❤❤❤❤
@@brianbarbarich1401 we know that didn't happen
@@GlutenEruption please elaborate and give evidence why that did not happen. Who is we?
Really appreciate your level headed & true approach to situations that happen at sea. We sail on the Mersey & further afield but we certainly recognise your reliable input & thorough logic!
Come see us at Liverpool Yacht Club sometime - kettles on!
Thank you!
The difference between dry and wet drowning lies in the body's reaction and the associated physiological processes:
1. Wet Drowning:
In wet drowning, water enters the lungs.
The individual inhales water, which blocks the airways, fills the lungs with fluid, and disrupts the gas exchange. This leads to a lack of oxygen in the blood, resulting in unconsciousness and, ultimately, death if no rescue measures are taken.
Wet drowning is the most common form of drowning.
2. Dry Drowning:
In dry drowning, no water enters the lungs.
When the body is submerged or comes into contact with water, it triggers a laryngospasm (a reflex spasm of the vocal cords), which closes the airways as a protective mechanism, preventing water from entering the lungs. However, this also stops air from being inhaled, leading to oxygen deprivation.
In dry drowning, unconsciousness and death from a lack of oxygen can occur, even though no water enters the lungs.
In both cases, oxygen deprivation is the critical factor, but the mechanisms differ.
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Interesting, but wouldn't water enter the lungs eventually when the individual is unconscious but still alive?
“Yes, this is case 1, wet drowning. The body becomes unconscious before going underwater, for example, due to alcohol or an accident. Then, water can be inhaled into the lungs.”
However there are now new criteria for medically declaring ‘drowning’ whereby the ‘wet’ and ‘dry’ distinctions are no longer current and multiple processes are included. Prior to this redefinition, there was not worldwide consensus as to what was and wasn’t considered as ‘drowning’. So the wet/dry dichotomy is no longer best practice. There are some other outdated terms that have been retired.
such a loss, very sad incident indeed. Just hope the inquiry is an honest and true finding.
The regulatory investigation is being conducted by MAIB (Marine Accident Investigation Board), a UK organisation with a very strong reputation for integrity.
@@hb1338 I know that the yacht was registered in the UK, but as the incident occured in Italian waters, surely they are the responsible authority? Also the yacht was built in Italy. However the MAIB could be invited to assist.
The untimely comments of the designer, at a time of incomplete information, were reprehensible.
Yes very much so.
An immediate arse-covering exercise before the facts are known smacks of desperation and a guilty conscience.
I think you mean the builder.
@@RayThackeraythe comments are from the CEO if the company that owns Perini Navi, not the designer. Holland is far too smart to make such disgusting cowardly comments.
He is not the designer, he's the CEO
I’m not surprised some of the guest died from asphyxiation in an air pocket. As a diver i am dismayed by the long period of time before divers were on scene. The vessel sunk close to a big port just before sunrise and I’m sure there were police or commercial dive operations or even tech divers with trimix in the area. Within two hours you likely could have had divers in the water if that was made a priority. Even dragging down a HP air line and pumping in air would have kept them going.
This was my thoughts as well.
Horrible to think of how it would have been down there. I expect it was also pitch black and very cold. What a cruel way to leave this earth. 😢
Now that you mention it, that sure is strange.
@@daversj it's going to take 2 hours minimum to locate divers at 4 am and get them in the water. That's an optimistic estimate. Those trapped in air pockets would likely already be dead by then. At 50m depth the volume of air available is just 3% what it is at the surface, so they would be up to their necks in water. The water is colder too at that depth so the question is, what kills you first? Drowning, asphyxiation, or hypothermia?
@@wingnut71Well, now we know what
Congrats on the 300k. I am a boater, but unlike other superyacht, boating or news channels, you have the perfect mix of info and detail on all the things you feature.
Yes, there is a video (see among my videos here on YT) showing the ship drifting essentially "bow to the wind" for the entire duration of the video until it disappears (capsized?), in any case NEVER stern to the wind.
We can confirm that in this case the AIS provided incorrect data.
I have spent about 20 years of my life at anchor. If there is ever a movement while anchored, it is the anchor DRAGGING. Most times the bow stays pointed into the wind (or if the wind direction is changing, the bow will slowly turn into the wind). Sometimes, however, the anchor drags so fast that the bow "falls off" the wind until the anchor digs again.
@@RayThackeray exactly, "until the anchor digs again". And if you watch my video carefully you will see the ship first bearing off (anchor is dragging) and then suddenly luffing (anchor digs). At that moment they are with the wind abeam and with the anchor acting as a constraint. If the gust of wind arrived at that very moment, it is easy to imagine how they could capsize.
The anchor (dragging/digging) could be the main suspect in this tragedy.
I think it is relevant that this was a tornado and not your typical storm. In a big storm like a hurricane the wind direction changes slowly as it passes over the vessel, it literally takes hours. This allows the crew plenty of time to reposition her into the wind, and when at anchor, it lets the yacht drift gradually to face the slow change in wind direction.
The tornado or (waterspout) is such a compact storm that as it passes over you, the wind will suddenly change to the opposite direction in 30 seconds or less. This change is so fast that the crew have no time to react and they find themselves instantly facing the wrong way to weather the storm.
One moment the vessel is facing the wind, the next thing they know she is beam on or stern on, which is not at all what you want to be in a storm.
I also note that the forward lounge area had a "canvas" roof instead of a proper "hard" roof. It's quite possible this could have been ripped off by the tornado exposing this whole area to the storm. In any case, if she heeled over at 90 degrees the lack of a proper roof would have caused a lot of seawater to flood this area, and from there it would have easily entered the lower decks, wrecking her buoyancy and stopping her from righting herself. And of course the longer she was on her side the more seawater got in through this lounge deck roof, speeding her on her way to the bottom of the sea.
I have heard of 'dry drowning'. where there's no water in the lungs. It is really sad to think that they were alive in an air pocket and died.
I was always under the impression that most drowning victims have mostly dry lungs.
@@RayCasey2010no the reverse
Thank you for reporting on this and keeping us all updated from your inside perspective. Happy sailing thx
The credit is to you and your team for reaching 300K. In this day and age of BS reporting it is a nice change to receive interesting stories with good old fashioned honesty!
Congrats on the 300K subscribers. Keep up the good work!
Your news and Analysis is the best. Thank you .
You have the best, most accurate info, thank you for your efforts!
"The sea was angry that day my friends, like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli."
@@hamentaschen culture
I send you my congratulations on achieving this milestone! I don't comment as I only ever did boating for pleasure! We as a family all got our yachtmastesr offshore to cruise along the whole of the southern coast of England from London to Penzance in the late seventies up to the mid eighties! Then due t a dear crew member, my uncle passing on we could not do boating anymore and sold her! R.I.P Uncle Alf!
Love your show and the new format - very informative. Thank you
Loughborough is pronounced Luffborra
@@JR-el7et The 3 crewmembers were from some of the most difficult towns in the UK to pronounce. The captain was from Exeter which is easier.
You are doing a good job ,no stupid talking ,the truth , God Safe the King
Must have been extraordinarily intense weather conditions.
Intense, yes, but not extraordinary for the med in summer.
Yes and directly to the point and exactly right on time!!
@@stephenburnage7687 exactly the down draft forced an entire plane...to the ground in 15 minutes..the planet and air pressure is more powerful than an unsinkable yacht.
No. Both vessels dragged their anchors, so what? The Sir Robert Baden Powell got underway and was fine. It was a bad, sudden summer storm, but a properly built, properly maintained, properly crewed ship that was smaller and older had no difficulty overcoming the challenge the weather presented, and then conducting a rescue successfully.
Great to see these sailors awarded
Condolences to the family's and friends of the incident, Congratulations on reaching 300k subscribers mate
Hard to imagine what these people went thru in the last minutes... It's night, a huge storm hit the yacht, it capsises and it's on the side, so everything is messed up in the cabine, they stood on the wall and the yacht sinks. After a few minutes lights went off and wenn it settled on bottom of the sea. And just waiting, that someone comes to help before the oxygen runs out.... Sheer horror.
If this were the guests first night on the ship they would have little chance of finding their way out through furniture clutter, passageways and stairs or knowing to open available emergency escape hatches in the ceiling. It is surprising that no mention has been made of available ceiling escape hatches.
Wow, this is such a deep topic! It's crazy how missing data can change the whole story, like a plot twist in a movie 🎬. It really makes you think about how important proper info is, especially in tough situations. Keep it up, your insights are top-notch! 🙌
Excellent reporting! Thanks!
Wonderfully uplifting story about the crew who rescued the migrants "in peril on the sea", to use venerable old location. In an age of intergroup hatreds of many stripes and of vast and frankly unconscionable inequalities, poverty and vulnerability on the part of so many, it is deeply humbling and encouraging to be reminded that there are good people, and to be reminded of our common humanity. I salute Captain Kirby and his entire crew. These are peole to look up to, to honour and to emulate.❤❤❤
I’m a retired airline pilot-Similar to a mega yacht or ocean liner captain IMHO. I love the sea, as much as the air. I like your channel, am subscribed, and your coverage and style, is the best. Thanks
Thank you for letting us know Captain Richard Kirkby and his crew of Ben Bramwell, Trystan Tanner and Ashley West are to receive the
Merchant Navy Medal for their rescue of 104 people at sea.
Thank you, gentlemen.
Congratulations for the milestone of subscribers!
Good luck to the crew that saved the lives of the passangers.
Thank you, keep working.
Steady, animated cadence, harmonious tone variations...a pleasure hearing reports offered with meticulous investigative clarity.
Good analysis of AIS info. Our gear can't be perfect at all times and that is what the professional sailor needs to live with.
Newly Subscribed, simply because I believe 100% in the Rules of Our Waterways. This is a bit of a relief although still very sad for those who have perished. I really liked your point about how many souls have been saved this year rather than how many have been lost. The water is both an angel & demon.....you never know. God Bless all who have lost their lives to our Great Waters. - Cheers to those who have rescued and saved. Love from New York City So Many Blessings
A tragic event but one that brings out your knowledge and excellent teaching ability of it. Thanks so much.
Fantastic reporting. Thanks for all you do. X
I don't know anything about yachting, boats and ships but I subscribed a while back when I watched one of your videos of a boat show in South of France (I think)..I really enjoyed your commentary and found I could understand it clearly...I really like this channel..congratulations on reaching 301K!!
Constantino sounds like a Boeing CEO 🤔
He sound like any CEO. They are all barely human
Or a Wells Fargo executive.
Perini Navi Leadership: It wasn't our poorly designed ships fault, it was the crew who we immediately blamed with little to no actual evidence & the AIS data did not actually support & the position of the vessel on the sea floor indicates that what we accused the crew of doing did not happen, but it still isn't our fault & is somehow the crews. We are the Boring of Italian pleasure yachts, obviously like Boeing we'd never knowingly deliver defective products.
Perini Navi Staff: But, Boeing knowing delivered planes with MCAS despite knowing the system was dangerous
Congratulations on reaching 300K subscribers , very well deserved for all your clear factual interesting reporting, I find it fascinating
great to have some good news too.
Giovanni of "The Yacht is unsinkable" fame sure is quick to point fingers at the crew, when it looks like the Bayesian was about as unsinkable as the Titanic.
The Titanic took much longer to sink.
Some submarines take longer to dive.
Oh and I’m also very glad to be counted as one of your 300,000+ subscribers! You never know when the work you put in is going to catch fire and send you flying, but this channel deserves it and I feel lucky to have found it, so I’m glad it did ✌🏻
Congratulations on your 300,000 supporters! I am not knowledgeable about sailing/yachting issues, but always find you commentaries interesting and informative. Thank you. Anne in Canada.
Thank you so much for another great report and great to have some happy news alongside the Bayesian tragedy.
Regarding the Bayesian I just wondered why the gyro compass data might be missing (leaving the AIS data being incomplete)?
Thanks again and congrats for reaching such a milestone of 300k🎉 Love your reports.
It seems that the power failed at some point - that might have been a cause.
Bravo to the UK government for recognizing the bravery and humanity of the British sailors who saved the migrants from drowning.
migrants?\
@@kayjay7780 Human lives were saved. What else is there to say?
YOU Were correct on the data
Congrats on reaching your milestone.
Well derserved.
Thank you eSysman and a BIG CONGRATS ON 300K SUB'S.....That is a lot of people......
Old F-4 Pilot Shoe🇺🇸
Congratulations on your subscriber level !!!!
Some many years ago we had the same problem passing the Azores , we had a 2nd yacht behind us , the same happened passing from Amsterdan to Rotterdam and where stopped by the water police and investigated. The result of this was that the AIS signal reflected against the mountains or to the high rise buildings from Scheveningen and Rotterdam so problem solved.
The sinking of the Bayesian brought me here but it's the captivating content which is keeping me here.
Such a sad ending for those people. I do wonder if they had gone over safety protocol with the captain before the journey if any of them would possibly be alive today.
You do not know what safety briefings the captain did or not give. Shame on you for casting aspersions.
Rich people can't be bothered with safety briefings or drills. They never attend one.
hb1338. Aspersions on whom?
It came as a great shock to me that the overwhelming majority of super yacht OWNERS do not have safety drills when their guests come aboard.
Esysman did a video on this very thing following the sinking. I watched 3 other super yacht expert You Tubers say exactly the same thing. Clearly this is troubling to the captains who think safety first.
If any guests wanted this info they would most likely not want to insult their host by requesting this of the captain too.
As a person who is a natural risk accessor for myself and others safety this is amazing to me.
I can't imagine "so many" corporate leaders who always access risk in their business dealings assume it's not necessary for them to due so on their super yachts.
What I said was a logical and legitimate question which may or may not be answered in an (Italian) inquest.
301,000 and climbing! Thanks for the updates!
That missing heading data led to probably false theories that the anchor rode became entangled either the keel or the prop, and charges of crew negligence. Details matter. Thanks for clearing this up.
Great job you and your support crew are doing. Unfortunately this story is just so tragic. I know for those of us in the yachting world at least me , honestly this could have happened to me , I don't think I would have had the yacht " buttoned up" in that place and time with that relatively non severe weather report.
Congratulations 🎉 Fair winds
Great video thanks again for updates and congrats on reaching 300 thousand
Congratulations on passing the 300K subscribers, great content over the years. Just a side note five others also received the MN Medal (MN Day was on Sept. 3rd) this year along with the four you posted about, one of them Steven M. Jones from the Wirrel, England, worked at my old company Global Marine and received the medal for championing mental health issues for seafarers, WTG Steve.
Many congratulations on reaching 300k subscribers, it is a well deserved achievement. Keep up the good work, thoroughly enjoying your other channel too!
Great work! And further evidence based on data that those who should know better ought not to jump to conclusions. Thank you for your professionalism. Here’s to the *-next-* 300k … 🎉
Big congrats on getting 300k subscribers. I don't do social media much and rarely comment. The value I get from the channel is from your objective expertise you present so well. I have learned a lot so far and look forward to future posts. Keep up the good work 👍
I can't begin to comprehend how Angela Bacares can ever get over this trauma. I would have wishes I were dead too
Many people survive bereavement. I speak from experience.
She will, yes. But the will to live somehow always prevails.
Balanced and informative reporting much appreciated, the Bayesian particularly sensitive subject. Curious about her anchored status following event and a reported missing tender. So much to glean from this, put blame aside from the survivors of a tragedy we can't comprehend. Constantino should retract his unprofessional and clumsy comments, he clearly has never experienced an event on this scale.
Congratulations and thanks so much for a very interesting and informative channel. Much appreciated.
300 meters blown off,initially I suggested 'wind shear', that may have opened the doors and windows to lose buoyancy.
Well done with the subscribers, well deserved always accurate information and informative content.
Fair and balanced reporting 👍👍💯🇺🇸
In this world of misinformation, you and your team do excellent and important work. Thank you.
Congrats to the subscriber numbers, may you hit 3 M real soon. Also congrats to the Brits on your medals, I had to do the same thing a couple of times when I worked on the ships.
A lot of information on Bayesian sad to hear 😢
I almost bought a 26.5 meter sailing yacht earlier this year, I backed out if the deal at a huge financial cost to myself as they didn't return the deposit after doing so, the yacht was to be refit with a new engine by the seller and 10 days before delivery the seller decided to chop up interior structural framework to try and make the bigger engine fit, basically ruining the yacht, I walked away immediately as I felt the yacht was no longer safe to take to sea. It was a CNB 87 Ketch fixed keel only one of it's kind in the world. Real unfortunate. It had me thinking on the larger yachts with the lowering keel, I am surprised there is not a mandatory emergency lowering system that say the yacht reaches a 30° or higher list that the system automatically kicks in and lowers the keel. I think this is something the industry should implement on all lowering ballast keel yachts. This could have very easily saved the yacht and everyone on board. Just my two cents on what could be done to prevent this in the future.
Hmmmmm, I've got a slight problem with anything "automatic" on a vessel (hydrostatic release of liferaft and automatic activation of the EPIRB excepted). The harsh maritime environment is no friend for electronics. What works lovely from behind a desk in a well protected area on land fails after a short time at sea, the more sophisticated the faster it goes. Sometimes with dramatic consequences.
With your example of the keel, as lovely as it might sound in one situation, it could be a complete disaster in different circumstances.
@@dodystiller3718Nothing says that the auto release has to electronic. Hydrostatic release dystems are analogue and it's not the a big deal to make something that detects the angle of heel. An inclinometer for example.
In this instance, according to the video footage, the Bayesian remained upright until it suddenly and catastrophically capsized. There wouldn't have been time to lower the 60 tonne keel but I agree had it been in place (lowered) it would have helped stabilise the vessel.
Not sure the retracting lower part of the keel on the Bayesian was the major part of the ballast , more a foil to aid sailing to windward. If the lowering section doesn't contain the ballast section it has much less effect on the righting moment when lowered. In any case the yacht had no sail set so the force on the rigging would only be a fraction of that with sails up even with very high winds , I feel something else was going on in addition here.
@@Gfc22 Okay. But, let's make up some quick real-life stories: the vessel has entered a port with 8 m of depth. While maneuvering she's getting hit by a proper gust ... Or suddenly another vessel appears out of nowhere and she's got to try a quick last-minute maneuver to avoid a collision ... Or, there is a hoolie blowing and she's entering this port to hide out for shelter. Something goes wrong with docking and she hits an obstacle. None of them really situations where you would like the keel to dig into the seabed and hinder you from any evasive actions.
Congratulations 🎊 and thank you for a great channel 🎉
haha i'm glad you mentioned the 4 pictures wasn't the whole crew and just the ones who were up for the british medal. i was thinking oh my gosh each guy saved an average of 25 people? they'd be exhausted! 🙂
Thank you, again. I’m not surprised at the number. I know nothing about the sea or sailing and find your presentations so interesting and easy to understand.
Thank you so so so much for covering the rescue of migrants.❤❤❤
Congrats on 300k ..well deserved from Nord…..Norge
7:34 What was that Mr Constantino? Did I hear you say " The inevitable sinking of the boat"?
That sounds a lot like a confession, seeing as you were able to state this with so much confidence before any investigation. Seeing as your company produced this vessel that was apparently compromised by design, it would be only fair to recognize your authority in matters of the vessel's shortcomings. This all has unveiled a massive design flaw. What matter of convenience would be so urgent as to ignore the risk associated with the engine room having a giant opening by the waterline? It only takes one wave. One.
"Don't turn that way, she'll sink." Was that in the brochure?
That isn't the problem with the Bayesian. She didn't sink to port, she sank to starboard. Two separate watertight doors in series would have to be left open for that scenario to occur and then both of them not closed in the multiple minutes they had before the capsize. In short, Constantino is using that as a device to accuse the crew of gross negligence, and it's absurd.
Regarding the Bayesian's movements, isn't it true that no statement from the captain or crew makes any mention of controlling or steering the boat during or immediately before the storm?
Most of what we have heard from the crew have been snippets leaked to the press by the judicial investigation. I speculate - if the vessel was already heeling when it started to drag its anchor, steering it may not have been the highest priority task.