Elden Ring's Greatest Lore Reveal - The True Rise of Marika. Shadow of the Erdtree [LORE]
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Marika's rise as a the most prominent figure is finnaly revealed to us. Follow me in uncovering the rise of this God and her burning crusade towards Godhood. This is the War Theater of the Shadow of the Erdtree, this is Mesmmer's crusade.
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro.
01:02 - Humble Begnnings.
03:42 - The Shamans.
06:37 - The First Accord.
11:01 - The Crusade.
16:36 - Messmer, The Forgotten Son.
19:46 - Outro.
Soundtracks:
Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree OST.
Gravesite Plain.
St. Trina.
The Mother of fingers.
The Lord of the Frenzied Flame.
Messmer, The impaler.
Those United under Common Cause.
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The more you play, the more you knowof this game. But now we might know the beggining of everything, The rise of Marika, the eternal and the burning crusade her son enforce in her name.
But what do you think of my take on Messmer's Crusade? What is your take on it?
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Hmm, i just came up with a theory, dunno how valid. Marika could be the only shaman that made it to sainthood through the jar ritual. The hornsent venerated her, as their successful experiment and gained trust to the point she could amass an army, struck and took control of the gates of divinity, created the golden order, shattering the lands. And never going back.
I heard that theory before. I find it unlikely because there is no evidence she was put inside a jar and considering what happens to those put inside it, I doubt Marika would meet a different fate than her compatriots.
Also, the Empyrians have no need for such a thing to ascend to godhood. Also, Miquella is following Marika's footsteps into Godhood and that does not include the jars. The differance between him and Marika is that Marika sacrifice was the blood of others instead of hers, like Miquella is doing.
I don't believe she is a successful "Jar Saint", but there might be more lore discoveries that could give credit to your theory.
If she was malformed I would probably believe this…
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@@thechozenfew1273 Yea kinda. But i don't see how else she betrayed anyone other than maybe the Greater Will. But that's a whole different theory.
@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN aw, i thought i came up with it :D
I thought it would explain Radagon.
It also explains the betrayal, but.. not the seduction. Could explain her connection to the greater will, through the gates of divinity, but then it doesn't explain messmer, and the first burning of the erdtree. Hehe
So im sorry your timeline is just wrong a correction video might be necessary
Messmers crusade only happens after the liurnian wars and likely just after the beginning of the long march of the Tarnished
My evidence is that Rellana joined Messmer on his crusade meaning that the Carians were still on good terms with Leyndell and that Messmer himself recognized us almost immediately as Tarnished which wouldn't be possible if he never knew that was possible or that was a thing someone could be meaning he had to at least be there for Godfrey's banishment
How i think her seduction/betrayal worked was she made her way up into the highest possible position in hornsent society she could and found out about the gate of divinity. The hornsents plan was likely to send the grandma emperyon we see through the gate to raise her to Godhood. Seeing her chance Marika who likely searched everywhere for allies and a force strong enough to begin her revenge found in her searching the monster in the flesh of man named Horaux Loux. She then on the day of the raising of the emperyon brought Horaux Loux to the tower and together they slaughtered the towers keepers. Then she used the gate for her asscension and had Horaux Loux call her back thus did she ascend to be a living god. On her path to Godhood like Miquella she likely abandoned many things she never should have like her other half Radagon and this is why despite them being the same person only Marika counts as a God until the Elden Ring is shattered and the very logic of the world broken.
I don't see too much wrong with your corrections.
Thank you but a correction video is not needed.
We can just discuss things here.😉
Firstly, there is no true evidence that the Crusade happened after the Liurnian war, there is nothing explicitly stating that Rellana took part in the crusade, only that: "Rellana disavowed her birthright and chose to stand at Messmer's side instead, knowing full well that not even the brilliance of the moon could grant him succor. Before long, she became known as the Sword of Messmer." This does not mean she took part in the crusade's initial hostilities or the crusade as a whole for that matter, only that she stood by his side.
and having it happened after the Liurnian war and tarnished was sent away would not be possible since both the golden order and the erdtree were already established as symbols of power and worship by that point. If we go by what you are saying, Marika arose to Godhood after sending Godfrey and the tarnished away, which doesn't add up since fromsoftware mention that the lands of shadow to be Marika's origin and where she rises to power.
Also, that goes against what Mirial, Pastor of vows says: "The Order of the Erdtree and the fate of the moon were conjoined, and all the wounds of war forgiven.", this pretty much says that the golden order was already stablished by the time of the Liurnian war since he mentions it as a "Order". And the order of the erdtree was stablished by Marika AFTER her ascension.
Second, Messmer recognizing a tarnished does not mean the crusade happened after their march, only that he was somewhat aware of his mothers plans, something he could have learned after the end of the crusade. I mean, he is a noble, he probably have informants since limited information is shared between the lands of shadow and the lands between.
Third, your seduction and betrayal theory is very much like mine but adding Godfrey in the crusade when there is no mention or any hint of him taking any part of it is just head cannon on your part. Her main weapon in this crusade was Messmer, not Horah loux. Another thing that is important to state is the fact we don't know what Marika sacrificed for her godhood, we can't even say her steps towards it was the same as Miquella's, it's only speculation. I also doubt there is any need for a lord to "call you back", as you mention, from the divinity gate.
But hey, we can agree to disagree.
@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN I'm saying that the crusade happened well after Marika became a god I think you just didn't understand what I meant
My fundamental disagreements with your video are that I see enough evidence in game to point towards Marika's ascension and the crusade as two separate events that happened at radically different times as Messmer was around long enough for him to be as an older brother to Radahn which means that he couldn't have been banished to the realm of shadow under the pretense of a crusade in Marika's name until after Radahns birth which sets his crusade after the Liurnian wars and Radahns birth at the earliest my suggestion that it happened in between Godfrey's banishment is evidenced by the fact that he even recognizes us as Tarnished which means he would need to know that becoming something like them was even possible and that they did exist which likely means hid crusade happened just before Radagon left Rennalla and became Elden Lord remember Messmers fire knight where Leyndell Nobility who were shunned and basically disowned for following Messmer which is likely why Rellana had to give up her birthright as princess because Messmer was not seen as a worthy demigod and with his association with snakes even if well hidden he is somewhat seen in the same light as the traitorish serpent he would have been an outcast in noble society
Heck Messmer's soilders are pennal soilders I believe they aren't exactly seen as holy people or good I doubt this crusade was looked upon as anything more than a very polite banishment from polite society by the erdtree nobility
@@animeproblem1070 Even if its well after it does not add up.
By the Liurnian war and the march of the tarnished, Marika was already viewed as a God and the crusade was her means for it.
It wouldn't make sense for the crusade to happen too much later than her ascension since it opened her way for it.
But I would still like to see your evidence on that matter.
@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN As I said I believe her betrayal was something that happened well before the crusade
If you look at commander Gaius' Remberance it mentions that he and Messmer were as older brothers to the Lion which is referencing Radahn this means that Messmer was around for Radahns youth if he was in the shadow realm on crusade he never would have met Radahn because the crusade was a banishment this means that at litteral minimum Messmer could not have started the crusade until after Radahns birth and likely his schooling under the Alabster lord because him and Gaius trained under that lord at the same time
2:11 this is important to the timeline:
"The Shadowlands" didn't exist before Merika enshrouded it with her Veil (same as the Black Knife "invisability cloak"), it was a part of "The Lands Between."
True, I should have mentioned that in the video.
It just felt so obvious that I didn't even considered adding that to the video, my bad.
Pre-DLC: "Marika went too far"
Post-DLC: "Marika didn't go far enough."
Nah it made marika much worse
@@thelionofjudah5318 Because she took vengeance? Prevented any other magical race from being butchered for mad science? Tell me then who is the angel in this. The Hornsent?
Thanks for making this video!
Thank you for watching
Notice the statues in the tower and spiral, showing two figures entertained to one another. Showing the supposed seduction and then the betrayal from the trailer.
Great video dude, keep up the good work😘
Thank you very much bro!! Apreciate it if you could share it.
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Absolutelu amazing lore content bro ur gna blow up any time now!
Thanks buddy, would do wonders if you could share this video.
I think you've placed these events too close to the present day.
We know that Placidusax held the title of Elden Lord in prehistoric times, and the Greater Will has something to do with the first of the Beastmen gaining intelligence.
Marika herself is a pretty ancient being too. She wasn't born to the Shadow Land, but arrived there with the Numen. She's likely older than the Eternal Cities.
I said she PERHAPS was born there, all that we know is that she lived there at some point. I didn't mention the dragons nor the eternal cities in this video because they have no influence over the crusade, they took no part in it.
I focused mostly with what the dlc showed to the player, meaning this is a timeline of the crusade and it's prelude, I barely touch what happened afterwards, I just mentioned that this set the foundations for Marika's future wars.
So I don't feel this is to close to current events because I did not say they were close to one another. I said before and I will say again, time in fromsoft game was always difficult to figure out and Elden Ring just puts that on another level.
The timeline in the video is there to maintain a cohesive line of thought of the DLC's events.
You just blew my mind with the Metyr theory. It explains the Line "The seduction and the betrayal". That makes me theorize that Marika prayed for salvation and Metyr answered seducing her with power and the chance for vengeance. She used the runes from the Belurat genocide to ascend to godhood shown in the trailer. Couple that with the eventual breaking of the Elden Ring effectively cutting Metry from the greater will and you have the betrayal
That theory of yours make a LOT of sense. Well done.
First off, your video is as good as seeing "fort night" in game (which is amazing just saying). Instant sub
Now onto the good stuff, we know from Messmer's Kindling "Messmer, much like his younger sister, bore a vision of fire."
We also know that if we ask Enia about the burning of the Erdtree, she says "But special kindling is required to reignite the flame.
For the flame to burn the Erdtree, a sacrifice is needed. Of one who envisions the flame.
And can lead you to the Rune of Death"
Adding to this when asked about her purpose Melina says "Me, I'm searching for my purpose given to me by my mother inside the Erdtree long ago, for the reason that I yet live, burned and bodyless."
Now for the weird part but stay with me, the Black Flame Ritual Incantation states "The Gloam-Eyed Queen led the apostles. It is said that she was an Empyrean chosen by the Fingers"
That's as far as facts will go, but I believe that based on this knowledge the Gloam-eyed Queen had to have existed in the time of the Erdtree as per her being chosen by the Fingers. And as far as we know Empyreans are only of Marikas blood. Connecting these dots gives us: that Melina is Messmers younger sister and was likely an Empyrean that rebeled against her mother with the Godskin Apostles. Marika burned her daughter to punish her, sealing away the Rune of Death (likely Melina's Rune) abandoning Melina to roam the Land Between as a spirit forevermore.
Sorry it's so long 😭🙏
Thanks, Glad you enjoy it and don't worry, I read it all lol.
I was never one to subscribe to the idea of Melina being the gloam-eyed queen but I will never discredit that theory.
But about the Empyrians, that is just a title and not nessecarilly one bound by Marika's blood. Placidussax was a lord and its God was likely an Empyrian dragon of sorts.
And that phrasing of Marika about Radagon: "you who are yet to become me"
Meanning that Ranni is not bound by blood to Marika. But radagon and Marika is a can of worms I won't open now.
My point is, an Empyrian is just a choosen one. Marika just happens to birth two of them, Three if you count Ranni.
But the truth is, there are points of Elden Ring's lore that they left TOO interpretative in my opinion.
Stil, your theory has a point.
I'm on the Melina = geq train too.
Now to our Russian friends point about placi. I saw a video that made the connection of Metyr being the god that fled because when you defeat her, she flees into the teleport animation and not the normal death animation. Very interesting to dig into.
@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN in regards to Placidusax being Elden Lord, his God was likely his Empyrean, but that's not what I meant to focus on, sorry.
The key point of the Gloam-eyed Queen being CHOSEN by the Fingers, is that it places her in the Golden Order because, as we now know, all Fingers were birthed by Metyr and they can only pass on their words to Finger Readers (no evidence shows that the Dragons in Placidusax's reign had Fingers).
There was also the point that I never mentioned that Melina's eye only opens after you unseal the Rune of Death (which was known to be the Gloam-eyed Queen's Rune).
I've also noticed that the Beast Eye item Gurranq gives you is described as "The murky violet iris writhes as if alive." And it "trembles" near deathroot as if it fears it. Since we know Maliketh killed the Gloam-eyed Queen, it makes sense that he'd keep a memento of her. But my point with this one is that it's exactly 1 eye that is almost the same hue as the one Melina shows in the cutscene for the Flame of Frenzy ending.
It just adds up nicely for Melina to have fire powers just like her brother Messmer and for her to have led a rebellion against her mother (opposite to Messmer's undying loyalty to his mother). The cause of said rebellion is easy in my eyes, seeing all the atrocities the demigods/Marika committed all in the name of the "Greater Will." Melina is very much like her mother, kind, gentle and motherly. The godskins were stated to be "cradled" in godskin cloth, a very motherly action.
Now you might say why would Melina go against her mother? That's the part Fromsoft never gave use, but if we read between the lines, Elden Ring has a huge emphasis on the duality of man and how light/dark are two sides of the same coin. Messmer was willing to become a devil for his mother, and then, in term, Melina was willing to become a martyr against her mother. Messmer leads by example and invigorates his men to the point that they are willing to follow him into hell all because (in their eyes) the Hornsent were different to them. The Gloam-Eyed Queen was said to nurture her Apostles, and her Nobles were said to "have assimilated inhuman physiology. Not unlike the crucible, the Erdtree in its primordial form." Another form of rebellion against the Golden Order/Marika
My point is that there's too much connecting Melina to the Gloam-eyed Queen, and once you connect her to Messmer, all the pieces start to make sense
@@danilohernandez8989 Touche!! Well done, that's an excellent view. I have nothing to say, well done. Makes total sense. You connected the dots really well here. Appreciate it for the insight.
It's also cool the fact tha your line of thought makes Melina similar to Ranni, one who died in body but not in soul.
I always wanted to see how the gloam-eyed queen and Marika first came to blows. Maliketh's duel with her must have been insane, goes to show how much of a monster he must have been on his prime. But i wnet off topic on this last part LOL
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@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN Lol don't get me started on Ranni. Her body is so similar to Radagons and was clearly a very large lady. Yes, Renalla is big, yet Radagon is fairly normal sized by comparison. Look at Radahn, dude is massive. Even Rykard was most likely a large man even if we never saw him. What's my point? Radagon has Giant's blood
Now hold on, hear me out. The red hair is very symbolic of both Fire and the Giants, and the hair color can be indicative of even a curse (but that's speculation on my part). If you look at the placement of the Mountaintop of Giants and the Shaman village and overlay them together, you'll see that they were really close to one another.
Everything from this point is my speculation, but I believe that Radagon & Marika have heavy Northern European influence in both their design and character. Marika seemed to be a shaman who believed peacefully in her pagan gods, and Radagon was a nomad who left his homeland in search of purpose. Both met most likely after the Hornsent burned the shaman village.
Again, my logic for this is Messmer, obviously being Marika/Radagons child, is in fact probably their firstborn. Also all children of the union of Marika/Radagon start with "M" and George Martin loves to have familial names start with the same letter.
Also Maliketh and any of the older Hornsent beasts like the ones in the Storehouse must've insanely powerful in their prime, imagine a world where instead of death being sealed away, it was time 😭
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To the hornsent the gaols and what they were doing to the shamans was seen as a good thing and also a blessing. It seems to me that sainthood is an ancient form of trying to obtain godhood, like a very weak version of the divine gates.
The shamans and Marika saw this as absolutely evil, cruel and deranged. I believe marika was in fact inside of a gaol, being the only shaman to become a fully fledged saint, this would make her good in the hornsent eyes and why they even feel betrayed by her in the first place
Could be right. The evidence is so little that any theory is plausible at this point. To be fair, we just don't know.
It's pretty convenient for Marika that she happened to be the only shaman to survive.....
The Numem are said to be "seldom born" after all.
Dun Dunn duuunnnnnnn!
Messmer invaded the lands of shadow after the Carion war and the Banishment of Godfrey.
The seduction i believe was from Metyr mother of 2 fingers. Maliketh is the reason the hornsent trusted Marika. To them, he was divine beast. She probably helped design the gates of divinity. She probably told them it needed many sacrifices, hence all the hornsent bodies. Before their leaders could become a god Maliketh, Marika killed them. Metyr probably told Marika about the great Runes. Whoever Placidusax's god had died, and the Runes ended up with the hornsent leaders. Her gathering of the Elding Ring was key for her God hood and her Cage. This is what we see in the trailer.
Hey, I'm curious here as I like your take on Maliketh, it makes sense to me that he would somehow have helped Marika in her ascension. Where did you get the Hornsent revered and trusted Maliketh from, and that he's a divine beast himsel?
@matheussantos9367 to them, he would look like a divine beast. He can talk and is Marika's protector. Plus, her shaman mystic body, she probably bamboozled them.
Actually, about Messmer's alleged red hair? There's an implication when you get his helm that it might not have been genuine, as the helm has the red locks coming out of it. And this would make sense. Messmer is apparently the first and eldest of Marika's children. I feel like she didn't leave him behind out of shame or disgust, but because he predates her marriage to Godfrey, First Elden Lord, and she might have needed to sweep her first children (Messmer and his younger sister, likely Melina) under the rug, so to speak. That would also explain why Messmer and his sister are never named or largely spoken of in the rest of the Lands Between (the latter is mostly only known as the Kindling Maiden or something similar).
The Helm's hair is likely just aesthetic in order to cosplay as him. I mean, both Malenia's helm and Godfrey's crown have their hair. Outside of that, you might be spot on since it makes sense within medieval political context, or this world's political context for that matter. Messmer would have been a very difficult political puzzle for Marika to solve, specially after her marriage with Godfrey. Like I even mentioned in the video, she cared about her image as a ruler and having a "bastard child" would not have looked well in front of your subjects and rivals. Not that they could leverage Messmer against her though
@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN Messmer's Helm, Radahn's Helm, Malenia's Helm, and Godfrey's Helm all have the hair as part of it. Yeah, might just be aesthetic, but who knows? And yeah, Marika definitely wanted to have a good reputation to her chosen people as evidenced by what happened to Morgott and Mohg when they were young and born with "the omen curse". Those two were freakish in appearance so she and Godfrey (who for his part did genuinely love his kids, as evidenced in the scene before you fight him) had to hide them from the public eye. Morgott at least was able to become the acting king of Leyndell even without showing himself to the people. Also, Marika banishing Godfrey and the rest of the tarnished is a point in favor of this need for her to have a good public image.
3:54 Shaman is a mistranslation, it should be Shrine Maiden... so they aren't a *people (they're Newman), it's an occupation/ role (like priest, bishop, pope, etc.).
I mentioned them as a people for simplicity sake, since they had their own village, their own origins and their own culture. But true, the shaman could be just an occupation.
Wasn’t it mentioned somewhere that the Greater Will was gone even before Marika started her path? That it was already gone when Metyr was around? What if The Greater Will never existed? I think Elden Ring deals with a similar issue as Nier: Automata - what do you do when you discover the god in whose name you serve has long since died? Do you continue to serve? And if you do, does it mean you ever served that god at all, or were you just deluding yourself? There was never a Greater Will. People made it up to sedate themselves and live in the lie. Much like so many know Marika’s Erdtree is an illusion, yet they choose to continue to venerate it.
Elden Ring is a game of lies. And the greatest lie is the one told by Metyr to her first followers - that The Greater Will exists. It never did.
Although I don't believe he never existed, since the elden beast is a thing, but him being dead is interesting. I still subscribe to the idea that they exist and are alive but can't interact with the mortal plane. So in order to enforce their wills, they find vessels from which to impart their power and magic. A proxy, technically.
Marika takes out runes from the body of the "gloam eyed queen" (the figure of the winged serpent) in the trailer and seals death in the kingdom of shadows via malekith etc when she becomes a goddess (still in the trailer) after the shock of genocide of his people transformed into pots by the hornsents (the horned people who worship the "crucible".)
Mesmer and Melina, her first two children are cursed, one has the snake inside him, the other destined-death, and both have the ability to burn the tree. each (probably unwanted) selfmade child of marika being a form of death (rot, eternal slumber)
Marika sends Mesmer to fuck himself in the kingdom of shadows in addition to beating the hornsents atfer her crusade (he embodies death therefore is symbolized by the winged serpent)
The noxs half kill Melina and use her body to make the "Fingerslayer blade" - (used by Ranni to kill the fingers in her quest)
Where is her body and what could have done noxs that’s so blasphemous that the people needed to be banish?
we may even be witness of the tentative of "abortion of death itself" tho marika seemed to ask her to kill herself at some point, or to burn the tree at least
The Greater Will sends the eternal cities to fuck themselves
After some tries at the creation of a new god, the noxs appeal to the gods of the Nightsky to help them out, Astel arrives, Radhan saves the game.
an other key to the lore could be: we are the bodies of destined death - like ranni's puppet but with a conscious/free-will
I think messmer is the son of radagon and marika, concieved before marrying godfrey, basically the true first born of marika
He very well could be. I never subscribed to the idea of Marika and Radagon being one since the begnning specially after that phrase: "you who are YET to become me".
TBH, Radagon and Marika drives me nuts everytime I think of them LOL.
Because, them being one since the start makes no sense. The logistics of it would be impossible to make it work.
But the shit ton of evidence of that being the case is impossible to ignore.
The compromised I got was that during the war with the Carians, Marika could not go herself and neither did Godfrey for some reason, so Radagon was a proxy part of herself she sent in order to remedy her and her main generals absence.
Then Messmer comes along, with that red hair of his LOL. Fromsoftware are the master of throwing a curve ball at you. hahaha
Still, I think they went a little overboard with Radagon and Marika.
What if messmer isn't her son? He had no grace, he is snakeish (looks like a godskin). When he dies he says mother...marika. I think marika allied with some snake faction, erased from history, betrayed them, killed snake god (dlc trailer shows her pulling runes from what i think is a snake), and claimed messmer as her own child.
@@curtisfarley6558 Then why raise him to demigod status? If he was just a warlord then just keep him as is. No, he very likely is her son, he did after all inherited her ruthless efficiency when dealing with "obstacles". I mean, he is basically this world's count Dracula
@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN he was a demi God by virtue of being born of a God. He was used by marika in the very same way you use as evidence; ruthless efficiency.
Have you read asoif? It's a very grrm thing so it's my headcanon until tarnished archeologists figures it out lol
@@curtisfarley6558 Touche.
"Have you read asoif?". I have read it and I'm still waiting for that fucking winds of winter book.
Martin will never release that thing will he?
There is an emperyan hornsent. Emperyans are chosen by their two fingers. Perhaps the betrayal was that Marika turned the fingers against the hornsent.
So being a “realist” involves squashing all dissent? Sounds more like a tyrant to me. A fascist.
So, years of lore and buildup for a DLC that doesnt even explain who the Numen are or where they came from? What a joke.
I assumed that dlc meant marika arrived in the lands between from the land of shadows but I see how that can be a shaky interpretation
@gedgar4502 I know that is a popular assumption now but it seems inconsistent with other lore to myself. There are more questions than answers but that question had a massive buildup with no payoff.
The Numen aren’t special on their own. You can play as a Numen. They don’t need an explanation - just a people, like the people from The Land of Reeds. This is a FromSoft game, you don’t get answers. You get more opportunities to ask questions.
Do you know how many people don’t even know Dark Souls takes place after its world’s Great Tree was burned? That the burning of the tree is the fire that comes, and adds disparity. That you can see its trunk. So few people know about this, and the DLC doesn’t talk about it at all. It talks about Artorias, but it doesn’t talk about Velka - arguably the most important character in the entirety of FromSoft’s output in the past 15 years. It doesn’t talk about so many gods and religions… it feels like you’re a tourist around here.
@@Misha-lt9vy That's the best lore explanation I ever came across. No true answers, only more questions.