MaxTheKanuck LOL! I totally agree. However, I am a construction site supervisor and I won’t be buying one. I do have a 2014 F150 platinum 5.0...the other construction site supervisor truck.
Hoss Cartwright Exactly..the fact that they aren’t offering it to everybody makes me believe they aren’t that confident in it. I currently have a 2.7 ecoboost f150 and i love driving it but it’s a complete pile. Throttle body problems,brake problems,stalling problems,body is made of recycled Coors light cans and dents if you stare at it to long.Only 10600 miles on it so far.
@@Weatherby406 Are you a mechanic? If so, describe in detail how the 2.7L EcoBoost V6 has throttle body, stalling, and brake issues. If you didn't military grade aluminum on your new truck, then why did you buy it?
Thanks you Andre, My next truck will not be associated with "work" it will be associated with play! I am sick and tired of dragging tools, saws. lumber, tile in and out of my truck! I want your job!
Why you shouldn't buy one: -Less horsepower than EcoBoost -Less torque than EcoBoost -More expensive than EcoBoost -More expensive to maintain than EcoBoost -More problematic over time compared to EcoBoost -Only available in the over-priced higher trim levels -Very little difference in MPG compared to EcoBoost -Diesel fuel is more expensive in most places than gasoline -Less payload and towing capacity than EcoBoost
If it wasn't for financing, hardly anyone would be buying new vehicles, especially premium option packages. There is eventually going to be a reality check.
BowBowFlakka because most people don’t have that kinda cash laying around. And some of those who do probably invest it, finance their truck/car and then pay their monthly payments.
Your Moms Hitachi you’re right. I mean who would buy a Ford truck? Oh wait... www.google.com/amp/s/seekingalpha.com/amp/article/4036949-2016-statistical-analysis-pickup-market-wars-gm-vs-ford-vs-fca-vs-toyota-vs
The reason Ford doesn’t offer the diesel for regular consumers is because if they did no one would buy the overpriced trims loaded with features no one needs.
This engine really only makes sense for people that spend hours upon hours in their truck, so maybe that's why Ford is offering it in the higher more comfortable trim levels? And why do i say that? You have to spend hours and hours and thousands and thousands of miles in this truck to justify the cost: www.fordf150blog.com/cost-of-ownership-2-7-3-5-ecoboost-vs-3-0-powerstroke/
I totally agree, you should be able to buy the diesel truck in a work truck trim with rubber floors. That would an awesome truck for hunting/camping etc. and not have to spend 60k+ to get it
Ford is going to offer it on the 302A XLT trim level to non-fleet buyers soon. What Ford needs to do is make the 3.0 PowerStroke available on all trims for both fleet and non-fleet buyers.
The end user has to have a Fleet Identification Number (FIN) to order from fleet or Enterprise. Enterprise has to keep the vehicles ordered fleet for a minimum of six months.
I'd rather just get F-150 XLT,5.0 4X4 SuperCab 302A package,spray-in beadliner,Sport Appearance Package and 36 gallon fuel tank.In my area with the rebates $43,610
The base 2019 RAM 1500 is $5,000 more than the 2018 model. They're all in it to rape every last cent out of their customers and the customers just bend over and spread their butt cheeks, and do so with a smile.
Dodge 318 Cummins and that 40k truck will spend 50% of its life in the shop and cost you about $10k in repairs before you get sick of it and trade it in.
It’s sick... worth buying after 3-4 years of depreciation... but in the mean time, I’d rather run a loaded out 4th gen cummins that’s a year or 2 used!
#TeamLNP I see what your saying and that’s probably true I would also rather buy a 2017-2019 f250/350 but definitely interested in this especially if his truck can average over 20 mpg stock. Imagine tuned and deleted...
Look at the base models then? You still get a hell of a truck from Ford/GM/Ram with their base model trucks. Bitching about the high-trim model prices seems to be a moot point.
Joe Lesko modern diesels don't last nearly as long, mainly due to the emissions garbage that's on them. The higher output in a smaller displacement doesn't help either.
This fleet BS is getting old , in 2004 I was shopping for a new truck and I wanted a Ford Ranger regular cab long bed 4x4 to replace my 94 ranger but they were only available to fleet customers I was so pissed off I bought a Silverado and have not been interested in Fords since .
Maybe it depends on the dealer or they changed the policy later? I bought an '09 4x2 Ranger XLT supercab but they also had shit loads of base XL trucks in stock and anyone could buy them.
The diesel 4X4 would take over 190k miles to pay for itself over the 5.0L V8 given that that engine recommends 87 octane fuel. Even the 2.7L and the 3.5L ecoboost require only 87 octane, the 3.5L recommends 93 for towing, but the typical half ton buyer is not doing all their mileage towing - MAYBE 5%. Sure, in 2WD form, this engine makes sense, but in 4WD I think they fell too short on fuel economy to justify the price and performance difference.
This is why ford has fallen off the map for me. I mean it's nice but ram and Chevy don't cut off the cheaper trucks from their everyday customer. Plus I could get a a well loaded cummins titan xd for close to the same price as that base model ford. Just my opinion
I think Ford will eventually offer the diesel engine option in all trim levels but they`re going to wait and see what GM & Ram does first with their trim levels and engine options.
@The Fast Lane Truck I own two pick ups. A 2016 Silverado Lt with a 5.3L ecotec3 slightly modded. I also have a 2011 F150 with a 5.4L triaton bulletproofed. But I was thing about upgraded both this year. So your reviews this year will help me pick.
My VW TDI would do well over 40mpg on the freeway with their factory installed epa delete...lol! Epa killed the diesels. No reason for a diesel truck with ten gears to not get 30mpg hwy.
Right now? Don't have any. 5-10 years from now when the 3.5Ls start getting longer in the tooth? You bet your ass we'll see it. Turbocharging gas engines is terrible for engine life. Only thing turbos are good for is airplanes and diesels.
Pech Michael & Christina I wish they would push out the hemi with the e torque already. But they could see how the V6 with the e torque handles. I just wish chevy would hurry up and get that truck to market.
Pech Michael & Christina I agree with you. I'm not any means a gm guy at all, ram all the way, but I'm very interested in that inline 6 half ton diesel engine. That might be what converts me back to gm. I was a big gm fan in the 90's, and loved all the older trucks from the 3100's all the way up to the C/K trucks.
The truck I am really interested in is the rumored Hybrid eco boost. If the electric motors help the gas engine on take offs and hills and passing etc that could be a monster truck.
Andre, 3 liters is moreso to do with 2 things. 1) Having an undersquare bore to stroke (narrow bore, long stroke) and 2) for world deployment, where most countries (EU especially) tax on displacement.
Andre, I guess I have to take exception to your payback analysis. The base engine for the Lariat is the 2.7L EcoBoost therefore the diesel is a $4,000 option. Further, the manual only says that for best performance, 91 octane is required. I believe almost everyone will buy the 87 octane (Ford Powertrain Manager Paul Seredynski said "EcoBoost engines don't require premium fuel. Ford recommends that you don't go below 87, but all modern engines simply adapt to whatever fuel you put in." So the payback calculation is $4,000 plus increased maintenance costs. Also, diesel is about $0.50 a gallon more expensive that 87 octane. The bad news is a 4x4 combined mileage is 22 mpg for both the 2.7L on 87 octane and the diesel. I don't see how you pay more for the diesel fuel while getting similar mileage ever allows for a payback. The only way it'll ever make financial sense is if you're are towing or hauling heavy loads daily and the ecoboost is assumed to take a big dump in mileage while doing so. That said none of that will matter to the diesel dorks that will have to have one no matter what.... Still a great review Andre!!!!!
I think the EPA ratings are based on this engine only showing up in high trim levels on the normal consumer side. The ecodiesel is in all but Sport and Rebel trim levels and thus it’s rating is derived from lower models. I think the 25 hwy will be a very modest rating for the 4x4 unlike the highway ratings on ecoboost.
All that money, and I would still have to buy tires, that looks no different than a normal dirt road in spring/fall. An off road package should not have street tires.
I really have to consider this Diesel. I will only be towing my 24’ camp trailer and range is my main concern. My brother has the eco boost V6 and it rocks. But if the Diesel will give me more range on tank I would be very tempted.
I really think that automakers need to review the way the vehicles are priced. If a loaded model cost more than 50% higher than the base model, that is crazy. In some cases with these trucks today the top of line models are more than double the cost of a base model. It's just hard to justify all that extra coin. I did appreciate the movement 10-15 years ago when they made more features STANDARD. I think it may be time to add even more features to the standard list even if that bumps the prices up a bit on the entry level models.
Price difference isn’t just made up by mpg. The added maintenance and DEF factor in as well. Likely to be a little more than 30k to get back your initial investment. It’s just hard to pay more for less. Less towing, less payload, 125 less hp, 30 less tq, and less towing performance.
i guess for those who are curious about this engine is to look up the land rovers see how it has held up with them it will be basically the same engine except with a few mods for the ford trucks
3.5 ecoboost still has more torque and more horsepower and can tow more and more payload. And with the 10 speed and 4x4 gets almost the exact same gas mileage.
Not a very good truck for towing in my opinion. The problem with all light duty trucks is payload. If you tow 11,000 pounds and your trailer is properly balanced you are using 1100 pound of payload capacity from the load on your hitch. Add to that the driver, fuel, etc, you are pretty much at your payload limit. Thats why I had to go to a heavy duty truck to pull my 11,000 pound trailer. My F150 was right at the limit with just me in it, so taking my family with me in the same vehicle I was technically over the payload limit.
I wouldn't go that far but they should realize even if the manufacturer says its possible to make sure they are factoring in the payload rating. Unfortunately a lot of people do not realize that is even a factor.
Need base model advalibal to reg customers. To keep up with competition. Ram offers their 3.0L ecodiesel in the Express and tradesmen for regular customers at cheap price point
Prices aside, Im digging that the rest of the Big 3 (2 1/2, whatever you want to call it) is jumping on board with the half-ton diesel idea. I think that the ecodiesel is a great balance between power and fuel economy, and diesels generally outlive their gas counterparts by double for the most part (making them worth the added premium). A duramax I6 (inline 6) sounds interesting and so long as the 3.0L powerstroke isn't based on/around the 6.0L (heard more bad things than good), it should be a good engine for sure. it would be nice to get the diesel option without having to step up to a luxury trim thats already overly expensive and has a lot of USELESS and UNNECESSARY features.
Ford lost me with no diesel option on the XL/XLT. I don't need a luxury truck, I want to do hauling/towing and significant highway mileage. The top tier models are for that soccer dad, who hires a contractor to do all the work.
TFL Team, please DO SOMETHING about the AUDIO DISPARITY in your excellent videos, it's a real pain on the balls to be CONSTANTLY adjusting the volume. Thanks.
I don't really understand why they offer this diesel. If you're getting it for towing, the 3.5 EcoBoost has more torque, I believe. I just switched from a Nissan Armada 5.6 liter to an F-150 with the 3.5 EcoBoost. Other than the sound I have no regrets. That 5.6 Nissan did sound good though.
Thing that makes no sense to me is the 3.5 ecoboost is considered a luxury engine yet you can get that in a XL 2wd long bed single cab and its a rocket yet the regular consumer can't get this.
sickflow how so? If fleets can get the diesel in a XL it shouldn’t wheel hop what would change if a normal consumer could get one? And the 3.5 ecoboost doesn’t wheel hop to bad in a 2WD XL long bed.
$70k+ for a King Ranch half ton? Either we entered 10% more inflation this year or they're overcharging for the diesel option. Might as well get an F250 King Ranch at that point which is around $70k before discounts and incentives...(with the 6.7)
My truck purchases are not like the mass majority of people. I ordered my last Lariat F-150 Super crew in 2001 the truck now has 101k miles and 20 years old as of June 2021. I am the buyer who will order the most expensive truck and pay cash. I do agree $70k is a lot of money for work trucks. My opinion if a buyer wants a truck that has an interior nice enough to put in a Lincoln, Cadillac then you are going to have to pay.
The payload you mentioned of 1950 lbs sounds like the f150 without the heavy duty payload package. Will the hd payload package be available with this engine?
Ford should put it in the Expedition. The vehicle is made for cross country highway driving. Would be a perfect match. Ford Expedition MPG average of around 27. Would buy in a heartbeat.
The only reason that it would make sense for me to buy one is if I’m towing daily or weekly but then again a lot of people that tow that much just get the bigger 2500/250s or bigger. They may be better for the fleets cuz they will work them daily but time will tell
This was a perfect opportunity to blow the eco-diesel out of the water yet they come out with something that doesn’t beat it, and everybody is going to forget about it when that in-line six diesel drops. I was waiting to find out about this truck before I make decision on my next purchase
I am in the market for something that get good enough mileage for a daily driver (goodbye 3/4 ton and up), and something that can tow 8,000 pounds across the country occasionally, a diesel half ton is ideal, I see no reason to get anything but the eco diesel now.
Premium for the EcoBoost? I was surprised when I saw my 2012 Owner's Manual recommended 87 octane. I tried a few tanks of premium and saw no difference in performance nor mpg.
two years? diesel is often (usually?) more expensive ... much as I was expecting to replace my current diesel tow vehicle with another diesel, I think the turbo gas is better (acceleration, towing, cost) and I think the "mild hybrid" (RAM) is the way to go, but with really big batteries (100 kWh) so the vehicle can tow short distances (under 200 miles) cheaply, but long haul far cheaper than any diesel or gas engine can deliver.
Honestly there is no positive points for this truck compared to the ecoboost. Why buy this over ecoboost? It made sense for ram to have their diesel half ton since their v8 and v6 trucks are not as efficient, but ecoboost f150s are already pretty efficient.
True! And, if the turbos do happen to go out after 300k on my 2.7, it's still cheaper to replace those two times vs the up front cost difference of the diesel. It's hard to justify this truck: If you do a lot of towing, the F250 PS is a much better buy both short and long term. If you only do light or a little towing, then any of the other gas options would be a better purchase. MAYBE if the f150 diesel got 30+ mpg, you could justify it as a DD with occasional towing. But that price though...
The most bought f150 trim package is the xlt and they cut mostly everyone out of buying it with that option. Guess will wait for the inline option from gm
as far as recouping your cost difference over the 3.5L ecoboost, what happens to the number of miles you're stating it takes when you figure in the cost of DEF and any higher maintenance costs for the diesel motor vs the gas?
John Doe gotta agree with stickloaf there. It would be like saying a gas engine isn’t a gas engine unless it had a carburetor and stalled frequently on cold mornings.
Alan Bowers two completely different things.. I also know you millenials don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, and your dumbass opinions are quickly discarded.
Should I buy a f150 diesel with the 10 speed trans or Chevy 3oliter diesel for 219 l tow a dump trailer once a week with 3 yard dirt do the diesel bags down what kind mileage you get
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SEVENTYTWOTHOUSANDFUCKINGDOLLARS?!?!?!
Johntyson don’t buy one
Jason Larsen nobody should.
These are just construction site supervisor trucks. Same with those Dodge EcoDiesels or whatever the hell they're called.
MaxTheKanuck LOL! I totally agree. However, I am a construction site supervisor and I won’t be buying one. I do have a 2014 F150 platinum 5.0...the other construction site supervisor truck.
Johntyson i was a supervisor for verizon we had little 4cyl rangers.
Been following TFL since Andre was behind the camera. I'm glad you guys put him in front. Seems like a cool guy.
Should come with a 250k mile warranty for 70k.
On a belt driven diesel? LOL
Hoss Cartwright Exactly..the fact that they aren’t offering it to everybody makes me believe they aren’t that confident in it. I currently have a 2.7 ecoboost f150 and i love driving it but it’s a complete pile. Throttle body problems,brake problems,stalling problems,body is made of recycled Coors light cans and dents if you stare at it to long.Only 10600 miles on it so far.
@@Weatherby406
Are you a mechanic? If so, describe in detail how the 2.7L EcoBoost V6 has throttle body, stalling, and brake issues. If you didn't military grade aluminum on your new truck, then why did you buy it?
@@Weatherby406 Should have bought a 5.0
Thanks you Andre, My next truck will not be associated with "work" it will be associated with play! I am sick and tired of dragging tools, saws. lumber, tile in and out of my truck! I want your job!
Why you shouldn't buy one:
-Less horsepower than EcoBoost
-Less torque than EcoBoost
-More expensive than EcoBoost
-More expensive to maintain than EcoBoost
-More problematic over time compared to EcoBoost
-Only available in the over-priced higher trim levels
-Very little difference in MPG compared to EcoBoost
-Diesel fuel is more expensive in most places than gasoline
-Less payload and towing capacity than EcoBoost
Reasons to buy one: It will outlast the Ecoboost
Whit Kern we will see
About 5mpg more, diesel .45 cents cheaper and I live in Texas. But that belt vs. chain probably biggest issue.
Reliability when towing. Ability to "delete" and get much better mpg
Bonus diesel live longer that gas engines.
72K lmao people are going to be in debt forever these days
If it wasn't for financing, hardly anyone would be buying new vehicles, especially premium option packages. There is eventually going to be a reality check.
Yup gas prices are going up, so sales on these bigger vehicles will drop big time. 72K but trust me ford will be offer tons of rebates
Bullion Forever why not just pay cash?
BowBowFlakka because most people don’t have that kinda cash laying around. And some of those who do probably invest it, finance their truck/car and then pay their monthly payments.
rupasree bose but I'm just saying why try and buy something you know you can't afford
I've hauled over 1ton in my 4x4 lariat 3.5 ecoboost. No issues handling that weight. Very impressive.
Your Moms Hitachi you’re right. I mean who would buy a Ford truck? Oh wait... www.google.com/amp/s/seekingalpha.com/amp/article/4036949-2016-statistical-analysis-pickup-market-wars-gm-vs-ford-vs-fca-vs-toyota-vs
The reason Ford doesn’t offer the diesel for regular consumers is because if they did no one would buy the overpriced trims loaded with features no one needs.
This engine really only makes sense for people that spend hours upon hours in their truck, so maybe that's why Ford is offering it in the higher more comfortable trim levels? And why do i say that? You have to spend hours and hours and thousands and thousands of miles in this truck to justify the cost: www.fordf150blog.com/cost-of-ownership-2-7-3-5-ecoboost-vs-3-0-powerstroke/
I totally agree, you should be able to buy the diesel truck in a work truck trim with rubber floors. That would an awesome truck for hunting/camping etc. and not have to spend 60k+ to get it
Ford is going to offer it on the 302A XLT trim level to non-fleet buyers soon. What Ford needs to do is make the 3.0 PowerStroke available on all trims for both fleet and non-fleet buyers.
@@atx-cvpi_99 I think the Expedition could benefit from this engine greatly as well.
So tru
XL and XLT only available to fleet customer. Time to be a fleet customer and resell them to the public. $$$$$
The end user has to have a Fleet Identification Number (FIN) to order from fleet or Enterprise. Enterprise has to keep the vehicles ordered fleet for a minimum of six months.
How does someone get a FIN?
jedironin380 you would have to have more than 5 registered vehicles to your name, with a commercial licence and then you can apply for a fleet code.
Robert F. Only two more vehicles needed... muwahahaa! Can I get a really big hat, too? Oh wait, that's ships.
P Pha you or I can go to the local ford commercial dealer in my area and leave with one.
Bad move to classify all public consumers as a non premium customer.
commercial sales are Ford’s Truck division’s bread and butter. Same with GM, not so much for Ram
jldude84 high trim models outsell them though so they are giving us what they think we want lol
Ford is really hurting right due to low car sales and they are dropping 5 models...
and GM is right behind Ford
Then Buy Used, or buy a Ranger
Leave it to ford to make a $40,000 base model 2wd truck lol.
I'd rather just get F-150 XLT,5.0 4X4 SuperCab 302A package,spray-in beadliner,Sport Appearance Package and 36 gallon fuel tank.In my area with the rebates $43,610
Hey, for some reason people buy these instead of their cars...
The base 2019 RAM 1500 is $5,000 more than the 2018 model. They're all in it to rape every last cent out of their customers and the customers just bend over and spread their butt cheeks, and do so with a smile.
Dodge 318 Cummins and that 40k truck will spend 50% of its life in the shop and cost you about $10k in repairs before you get sick of it and trade it in.
People cant aFord to Dodge those facts any more when they Ram it to them. Sooner or later we'll all be Powerstroke'n til we're Cummins.
I can’t wait to see more towing and real world mileage
Coming soon
It’s sick... worth buying after 3-4 years of depreciation... but in the mean time, I’d rather run a loaded out 4th gen cummins that’s a year or 2 used!
#TeamLNP I see what your saying and that’s probably true I would also rather buy a 2017-2019 f250/350 but definitely interested in this especially if his truck can average over 20 mpg stock. Imagine tuned and deleted...
22 City & 30 Highway - due in part to Ford's 10-speed
Tyler’s 6.0 you do know that the engine life of this POS 3 L diesel is 150,000 miles? ruclips.net/video/pu2WQUNRqbw/видео.html
The pick up truck used to be the working mans vehicle and now all three are so overpriced it’s ridiculous
724 StreetCars everyone lifted them and put suspension and big tires on them. Now they are all the rage.
Look at the base models then? You still get a hell of a truck from Ford/GM/Ram with their base model trucks. Bitching about the high-trim model prices seems to be a moot point.
It’s called buy an older truck because older trucks are better. Then you upgrade it to beat all the new pieces of shits driving around.
Agreed. A lot of us just want a truck for work. All this expensive crap isn't necessary
So what you're saying is, keep the 3.5L EcoBoost because there's no significant upside to the diesel....
Damon Moritz I was expecting 30mpg, the ram ecodiesel gives like 28mpg and it’s a heavier truck.
Damon Moritz the biggest plus that the diesel has over the shitty Ecoboost is that it will last 10 times longer....
150K on my last EcoBoost and not one issue. I'm only at 4K on the 2018 now and expect no less.
Great, twice as much to change the oil for the same performance.
Joe Lesko modern diesels don't last nearly as long, mainly due to the emissions garbage that's on them. The higher output in a smaller displacement doesn't help either.
This fleet BS is getting old , in 2004 I was shopping for a new truck and I wanted a Ford Ranger regular cab long bed 4x4 to replace my 94 ranger but they were only available to fleet customers I was so pissed off I bought a Silverado and have not been interested in Fords since .
You should be , Ford is putting out better all around trucks then Chevy by far .
Keep dreaming lol
makes no sense why didnt you go with the s12 from chevy then?
2 4x4 Blazers, 2001-250k and 1995- 610k (610.000miles!) no thank u Ford, maybe next time...
Maybe it depends on the dealer or they changed the policy later? I bought an '09 4x2 Ranger XLT supercab but they also had shit loads of base XL trucks in stock and anyone could buy them.
The diesel 4X4 would take over 190k miles to pay for itself over the 5.0L V8 given that that engine recommends 87 octane fuel. Even the 2.7L and the 3.5L ecoboost require only 87 octane, the 3.5L recommends 93 for towing, but the typical half ton buyer is not doing all their mileage towing - MAYBE 5%.
Sure, in 2WD form, this engine makes sense, but in 4WD I think they fell too short on fuel economy to justify the price and performance difference.
Joshua Sharaf +1 on the 4x4 mpg comment.👌
Oh God... That truck is just gorgeous... Ford makes a damn good looking truck.
Garret Rowe Finally. After 25 years of being the ugliest truck on the road. Still isn't as good looking as the Ram though. Inside or out.
This is why ford has fallen off the map for me. I mean it's nice but ram and Chevy don't cut off the cheaper trucks from their everyday customer. Plus I could get a a well loaded cummins
titan xd for close to the same price as that base model ford. Just my opinion
Can you imagine a 2-4 inch lift and mudding tire. Damn that thing would be unstoppable.
Very exciting times for truck fans/folks that need or want trucks, diesel lovers etc.
Bill Waterhouse Yeah, if you've got $70 grand to spend on them!
The problem is the price , you might as well go 3,4 ton with the 6.7 .
I think Ford will eventually offer the diesel engine option in all trim levels but they`re going to wait and see what GM & Ram does first with their trim levels and engine options.
@The Fast Lane Truck I own two pick ups. A 2016 Silverado Lt with a 5.3L ecotec3 slightly modded. I also have a 2011 F150 with a 5.4L triaton bulletproofed. But I was thing about upgraded both this year. So your reviews this year will help me pick.
It's a diesel with 10 gears and still can't get 30mpg on the highway? Wtf
D Jay T not to mention a fully aluminum body too.... I don’t understand, maybe all the EPA crap really chokes this motor?
My VW TDI would do well over 40mpg on the freeway with their factory installed epa delete...lol! Epa killed the diesels. No reason for a diesel truck with ten gears to not get 30mpg hwy.
3 of them are overdrive gears to beat all.
John G That’s a car not a truck dumbass
nathan3306 If a diesel is fully deleted egr/dpf it will easily get 30mpg
I'll out pull,out tow & out accelerate the diesel with my '18 3.5EB very proudly....and still get 22MPG COMBINED when I drive conservatively!
Same!
And in 150k miles the diesel will be going strong and your Ecoboost is gonna be failing compression tests.
You don't turbo a gas engine.
Jellyfrosh source for that figure? There are quite a few RUclips videos showing 200k+ mile EBs still running strong.
Right now? Don't have any. 5-10 years from now when the 3.5Ls start getting longer in the tooth? You bet your ass we'll see it. Turbocharging gas engines is terrible for engine life. Only thing turbos are good for is airplanes and diesels.
The Ecoboost has been out for 8 years already in the F150. Plus it was designed for boost.
Great video. Let’s see the Dodge and Chevy!
Pech Michael & Christina I wish they would push out the hemi with the e torque already. But they could see how the V6 with the e torque handles. I just wish chevy would hurry up and get that truck to market.
Pech Michael & Christina I agree with you. I'm not any means a gm guy at all, ram all the way, but I'm very interested in that inline 6 half ton diesel engine. That might be what converts me back to gm. I was a big gm fan in the 90's, and loved all the older trucks from the 3100's all the way up to the C/K trucks.
Pech Michael & Christina There is no more Dodge truck, you mean the FCA Ram.
Pech Michael & Christina yeah I can't wait for the I6 duramax!
Best Truck review I’ve seen so far
this video popped up and disappeared yesterday! either way i'm watching closely for the towing loop test... good stuff!
Great video. Love watching these trucks get pushed. Ford's owning it. Can't wait to see the comparisons with chevy and ram
The truck I am really interested in is the rumored Hybrid eco boost. If the electric motors help the gas engine on take offs and hills and passing etc that could be a monster truck.
Beatiful f150 with great sound
I’d definitely buy the F150 Diesel and I’d also buy the F350 with the 6.7L Powerstroke Turbo Diesel V8 and both my trucks will be White
Looking forward to the 98mi loop, to see the real benefit in the baby powerstroke.
I just bought one. It's actually a little too quiet. I ran CAT heavy equipment for 23 years and I like the sound of a diesel engine.
Whether I buy a Ford or not, Andre, you did a good job on this review. Now have Roman send you 'down' some better weather for the next one.
Good Job Roman
Andre, 3 liters is moreso to do with 2 things. 1) Having an undersquare bore to stroke (narrow bore, long stroke) and 2) for world deployment, where most countries (EU especially) tax on displacement.
Andre, I guess I have to take exception to your payback analysis. The base engine for the Lariat is the 2.7L EcoBoost therefore the diesel is a $4,000 option. Further, the manual only says that for best performance, 91 octane is required. I believe almost everyone will buy the 87 octane (Ford Powertrain Manager Paul Seredynski said "EcoBoost engines don't require premium fuel. Ford recommends that you don't go below 87, but all modern engines simply adapt to whatever fuel you put in." So the payback calculation is $4,000 plus increased maintenance costs. Also, diesel is about $0.50 a gallon more expensive that 87 octane. The bad news is a 4x4 combined mileage is 22 mpg for both the 2.7L on 87 octane and the diesel.
I don't see how you pay more for the diesel fuel while getting similar mileage ever allows for a payback. The only way it'll ever make financial sense is if you're are towing or hauling heavy loads daily and the ecoboost is assumed to take a big dump in mileage while doing so.
That said none of that will matter to the diesel dorks that will have to have one no matter what....
Still a great review Andre!!!!!
Just another great review. two to re-coop your investment isn't bad at all. I just like the feel of a diesel. torq matters
Nice review. Thanks!
I think the EPA ratings are based on this engine only showing up in high trim levels on the normal consumer side. The ecodiesel is in all but Sport and Rebel trim levels and thus it’s rating is derived from lower models. I think the 25 hwy will be a very modest rating for the 4x4 unlike the highway ratings on ecoboost.
All that money, and I would still have to buy tires, that looks no different than a normal dirt road in spring/fall. An off road package should not have street tires.
Don't worry, the base price has stayed the same...we just won't sell it to you.
Torque is when the wheels are grabbed to terrafirma and using all gut to move machine forward, power is what makes the wheels spin!
I really have to consider this Diesel. I will only be towing my 24’ camp trailer and range is my main concern. My brother has the eco boost V6 and it rocks. But if the Diesel will give me more range on tank I would be very tempted.
I really think that automakers need to review the way the vehicles are priced. If a loaded model cost more than 50% higher than the base model, that is crazy. In some cases with these trucks today the top of line models are more than double the cost of a base model. It's just hard to justify all that extra coin. I did appreciate the movement 10-15 years ago when they made more features STANDARD. I think it may be time to add even more features to the standard list even if that bumps the prices up a bit on the entry level models.
The price deal is definitely a perception being pushed by dealers stocking up on optioned out trucks
Price difference isn’t just made up by mpg. The added maintenance and DEF factor in as well. Likely to be a little more than 30k to get back your initial investment. It’s just hard to pay more for less. Less towing, less payload, 125 less hp, 30 less tq, and less towing performance.
i guess for those who are curious about this engine is to look up the land rovers see how it has held up with them it will be basically the same engine except with a few mods for the ford trucks
I love when andrew makes the videos
3.5 ecoboost still has more torque and more horsepower and can tow more and more payload. And with the 10 speed and 4x4 gets almost the exact same gas mileage.
warrior5223 Not the same mileage while towing, the DIESEL should give much better mileage when towing.
That is the only advantage it has. Unless you are constantly towing every week it is not worth it.
except the ecoboost is riddled with turbo, intake valve, and misfiring problems.
Ike gauntlet!!
Not a very good truck for towing in my opinion. The problem with all light duty trucks is payload. If you tow 11,000 pounds and your trailer is properly balanced you are using 1100 pound of payload capacity from the load on your hitch. Add to that the driver, fuel, etc, you are pretty much at your payload limit. Thats why I had to go to a heavy duty truck to pull my 11,000 pound trailer. My F150 was right at the limit with just me in it, so taking my family with me in the same vehicle I was technically over the payload limit.
anyone towing 11000lbs with a half ton pickup should be banned from public roads...
I wouldn't go that far but they should realize even if the manufacturer says its possible to make sure they are factoring in the payload rating. Unfortunately a lot of people do not realize that is even a factor.
Need base model advalibal to reg customers. To keep up with competition. Ram offers their 3.0L ecodiesel in the Express and tradesmen for regular customers at cheap price point
They all ready are on the market
Can’t wait to see it straight piped
Prices aside, Im digging that the rest of the Big 3 (2 1/2, whatever you want to call it) is jumping on board with the half-ton diesel idea. I think that the ecodiesel is a great balance between power and fuel economy, and diesels generally outlive their gas counterparts by double for the most part (making them worth the added premium). A duramax I6 (inline 6) sounds interesting and so long as the 3.0L powerstroke isn't based on/around the 6.0L (heard more bad things than good), it should be a good engine for sure. it would be nice to get the diesel option without having to step up to a luxury trim thats already overly expensive and has a lot of USELESS and UNNECESSARY features.
If Ford offers the diesel on at the XLT trim, I'm buying it.
Hell yes. Great video. Great to see some real mud.
Those fleet models are going to be snapped up quickly once they enter the 2nd owner market down the road.
Ford lost me with no diesel option on the XL/XLT. I don't need a luxury truck, I want to do hauling/towing and significant highway mileage. The top tier models are for that soccer dad, who hires a contractor to do all the work.
Agreed, very fun video. And agreed, let’s see another brand instead of the usual Ford mashup
TFL Team, please DO SOMETHING about the AUDIO DISPARITY in your excellent videos, it's a real pain on the balls to be CONSTANTLY adjusting the volume.
Thanks.
I don't really understand why they offer this diesel. If you're getting it for towing, the 3.5 EcoBoost has more torque, I believe. I just switched from a Nissan Armada 5.6 liter to an F-150 with the 3.5 EcoBoost. Other than the sound I have no regrets. That 5.6 Nissan did sound good though.
Wouldn't mind seeing this motor in an Expedition
Can’t wait to see and hear it deleted and straight piped!
I wonder how much more each oil change costs than on the gas truck? That adds up pretty quickly on the big diesels.
Thing that makes no sense to me is the 3.5 ecoboost is considered a luxury engine yet you can get that in a XL 2wd long bed single cab and its a rocket yet the regular consumer can't get this.
Shawn Prickett has to do with wheel hop.
sickflow how so? If fleets can get the diesel in a XL it shouldn’t wheel hop what would change if a normal consumer could get one? And the 3.5 ecoboost doesn’t wheel hop to bad in a 2WD XL long bed.
$70k+ for a King Ranch half ton? Either we entered 10% more inflation this year or they're overcharging for the diesel option. Might as well get an F250 King Ranch at that point which is around $70k before discounts and incentives...(with the 6.7)
RUclips User expensive half-tons are for the foreman
sickflow even our Foreman would balk at that price. You can buy super sport cars with that money 😮
My truck purchases are not like the mass majority of people. I ordered my last Lariat F-150 Super crew in 2001 the truck now has 101k miles and 20 years old as of June 2021. I am the buyer who will order the most expensive truck and pay cash. I do agree $70k is a lot of money for work trucks. My opinion if a buyer wants a truck that has an interior nice enough to put in a Lincoln, Cadillac then you are going to have to pay.
The payload you mentioned of 1950 lbs sounds like the f150 without the heavy duty payload package. Will the hd payload package be available with this engine?
Ford should put it in the Expedition. The vehicle is made for cross country highway driving. Would be a perfect match.
Ford Expedition MPG average of around 27. Would buy in a heartbeat.
The only reason that it would make sense for me to buy one is if I’m towing daily or weekly but then again a lot of people that tow that much just get the bigger 2500/250s or bigger. They may be better for the fleets cuz they will work them daily but time will tell
As much as I like ford this is a huge disappointment
What were you expecting? If you want a real Powerstroke, get a Superduty.
I don't know why
Seriously, I was expecting more. This is ridiculous..
This was a perfect opportunity to blow the eco-diesel out of the water yet they come out with something that doesn’t beat it, and everybody is going to forget about it when that in-line six diesel drops. I was waiting to find out about this truck before I make decision on my next purchase
I am in the market for something that get good enough mileage for a daily driver (goodbye 3/4 ton and up), and something that can tow 8,000 pounds across the country occasionally, a diesel half ton is ideal, I see no reason to get anything but the eco diesel now.
Premium for the EcoBoost? I was surprised when I saw my 2012 Owner's Manual recommended 87 octane. I tried a few tanks of premium and saw no difference in performance nor mpg.
two years? diesel is often (usually?) more expensive ... much as I was expecting to replace my current diesel tow vehicle with another diesel, I think the turbo gas is better (acceleration, towing, cost) and I think the "mild hybrid" (RAM) is the way to go, but with really big batteries (100 kWh) so the vehicle can tow short distances (under 200 miles) cheaply, but long haul far cheaper than any diesel or gas engine can deliver.
Honestly there is no positive points for this truck compared to the ecoboost. Why buy this over ecoboost? It made sense for ram to have their diesel half ton since their v8 and v6 trucks are not as efficient, but ecoboost f150s are already pretty efficient.
True! And, if the turbos do happen to go out after 300k on my 2.7, it's still cheaper to replace those two times vs the up front cost difference of the diesel. It's hard to justify this truck: If you do a lot of towing, the F250 PS is a much better buy both short and long term. If you only do light or a little towing, then any of the other gas options would be a better purchase. MAYBE if the f150 diesel got 30+ mpg, you could justify it as a DD with occasional towing. But that price though...
Saw a Platinum In Scottsdale - 1,200 lbs. max cargo capacity??? My 2015 3.5L eco boost is 1,900.
They need to put that engine in the expedition
I went on Ford's website and was also very dissapointed to find the diesel only came in Lariat and higher.
I would buy base extended cab 4x4 diesel truck and rip out back seats. Do back seats come out or fold up?
I know its just shutter roll but @ 0:39 I wish the led headlights actually moved like that :)
The most bought f150 trim package is the xlt and they cut mostly everyone out of buying it with that option. Guess will wait for the inline option from gm
Jonathan Watts Yeah my '15 is an XLT and it's all I need. Hearing that I can't replace it directly anymore kinda pissed me off.
dchawk81 replace directly what does that just trading it in basically
Anyone see what they did for an oil fiter? The EcoDiesel used a plastic housing cartridge filter setup. hope ford stayed away from that!
Do some deletes, exhaust and a tune, all the diesel half tons will Do really good
One of Ford's best kept secrets!
That hill climb got dicey!
I would only go after the XL or XLT (and I would make a effort to get it even though I am a consumer).
I’m hoping you guys can give us the amount of range per tank the f150 can offer.
What classifies a "fleet customer" is it a business tax ID? Farmers, etc?
www.fleet.ford.com/contact-us/faqs/#how-to-obtain-FIN
No it’s proving to them that you have a vagina if you wanna drive a Ford.
Does this engine use a gear driven oil pump ,or is it belt driven as on the smaller European ,four cylinder diesel engines?
USS ENTERPRISE The oil pump is driven directly off the front of the crankshaft, no belt gears or chain.
as far as recouping your cost difference over the 3.5L ecoboost, what happens to the number of miles you're stating it takes when you figure in the cost of DEF and any higher maintenance costs for the diesel motor vs the gas?
2 Tall Paul 428 would rather maintain a 200k diesel than replace a 200k gasser though
I can't wait for someone to do a delete and put an exhaust on one of these
Good information, Thanks Guys !!!!!!!!
I'm going to wait for a year, to see how it performs. i.e. dependability !
It's not a true diesel unless it smells and sounds like one... God I love the old 7.3 and 5.9!!
grow up
stickloaf shut up idiot!
John Doe gotta agree with stickloaf there. It would be like saying a gas engine isn’t a gas engine unless it had a carburetor and stalled frequently on cold mornings.
also u can run it on Straight Weggie Oil...
Alan Bowers two completely different things.. I also know you millenials don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, and your dumbass opinions are quickly discarded.
If the 4X4 crew cab is only listed at 25 MPG, it isn't worth the extra money. They 3.5 Ecoboost is the way to go for towing.
EPA ratings on the F150 are all based on regular fuel, not premium. www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2018_Ford_F150_Pickup.shtml
Truck prices are nuts. 40k for an xl. All I can say is thank you new truck buyers for paying for half of my new used trucks.
Should I buy a f150 diesel with the 10 speed trans or Chevy 3oliter diesel for 219 l tow a dump trailer once a week with 3 yard dirt do the diesel bags down what kind mileage you get
Harry