Thanks guys. Fair and good comparison. I think I would add the costs of the Talaria upgrades (steering stem and wheel set) into the cost analysis since you compared the two bikes with the Talaria upgrades.
Great report. 100% agree. I’ve gotten to directly compare these bikes and feel the ERP to be amazing, and a better value overall. Hope Warp9 makes some levers and wheels for these ASAP.🙏
We had already taken the stock wheels apart to scan and build the 18/21's well before the E Ride 3.0 was announced so sadly it wasn't really an option on our end. But even with the performance advantage that the talaria had the E ride still out performed it
MX5 tip: Bring that rear wheel forward, closer to the front, and get a drop crown as soon as one is available, that should somewhat fix the issue with suspension geometry.
Suspension geometry is fine it's just the ergo's that are the problem and are easily fixed with 3" rise at the handlebar and 1" rise at front seat mounts.
Comparing a modified MX5 to a stock 3.0 is pointless in my opinion. Huge wheels slow down the bike for the drags, ruin the range, completely change the handling and ride quality and are $1200 to add. Why didn’t you go borrow a stock bike for a few hours to make a fair comparison?
I don’t think it’s really making that big of difference.. especially with stock motor, controller & battery. Yes tires matter but it stills compares good
The wheels were nothing but an advantage for the bike on everything except for the possibility of range. Battery size alone the Talaria is going to lose range wise anyway, but putting the Talaria at a better advantage with wheels and corrected geometry made for a better riding experience and the Talaria still lost. So all in all even adding a $1200 wheel set to the bike it wasn't as good as the E Ride 3.0 Stock
MX5 battery is 20% smaller than the 3.0 which was pretty much exactly what was seen in the range “test”. Stock tires on dirt wouldn’t have made much difference if any in those conditions as these are the ultra light weight 18/21 tires CCW is known for running on the small bikes to minimize weight gain.
Amazing how good both of these are out of the box. I got to ride both brands and the MX5 and I liked both of them coming from a Light Bee MX owner with everymod you can throw on it. I would definitely wait on the SR though.
Awesome review I personally wanted a MX5 but i ended up.getting a Eride 3.0 but im definitely going to look for a used MX5 i think both bikes are look super fun.
Buen vídeo pero en realidad las buenas comparaciones es ir de serie las dos. Yo tengo desde hace 3 semanas la talaría mx5 pro y la verdad que en general es muy buena emoto es mi primera moto. Pero en si es muy buena y la mía corre hasta las 62mph la transmisión de la mx5 creo que es mucho mejor. Desde mi punto de vista está muy a la par quitando un poco más de alcance de la 3.0. En fin las dos son muy buenas pero yo no cambiaría mi mx5 pro. Saludos desde España
@@MiamiElectrix *The Mx5's larger wheel size sucked up its TORQUE costing it to do poorly in the drag. *The second generation Mx3's stink-bug geometry was corrected 100 years ago. So it's strange to hear them repeat old fake news * Charged Cycle Works team are smoking strange bud. Like who tests personally modified to stock and calls it fair ?
@@shockadellick not meant to be fair, just another comparison that our audience was asking for. The MX5 simply wasn’t good enough out of the box w 19/19” tires, so we added moto wheels and tires. To your point, we’ll do another drag race with 2 stock bikes and the result will be similar. As for geometry, the 2nd gen MX3 and the MX4 had the same problem. 16/19” fixes it somewhat and our 1” drop crown is one of our most popular/requested products bc the front end is still too low and negatively affects the handling vs other bikes.
@ personally not satisfied with those results. We need an actual side by side test to see if the 3.0 actually has more range as advertised. It’s a deciding factor on if I’d upgrade from my 2.0. I’m sure I’m not alone
The test we all wanted to see - thank you! Do we know what battery cells these 2 OEM cells are using? I wish we could have a price option without batteries as a lot of users always want to buy a better battery with a better cell inside to increase capacity ah and power. Tabless cells (Game changing) are available to the DIY market now in the US and Europe. Thumbs up.
@ChargedCycleWorks thank for the reply, eve 40pl, molicell p45b, ampace40 tabless and back 45d as well as Samsung 45t. All these are on the most popular battery wholesale platforms Cell supply (UK), nkon (Europe), lionwhole (us)
So wait, bone stock MX5 cost 4.7k but what was tested should be wayy more $$ due to the upgraded handle bars, direct mount stem, wheels and tires set. Yet a bone stock ERP 3.0 only cost 4.9k. No brainer on which one is better for the price.
We build them ourselves on Excel rims. Reach out to us if you want a set, or wait bc they will be on our site soon. Warp9 and others are also working on their mx5 hubs, so more options coming eventually.
@ChargedCycleWorks You really think the 21/18 didn't affect the end range? Come on guys. You didnt even address that as a reason the mx5 ended up with 9%. Also you put 0 consideration into street riding which is what 90% of people buying these bikes will use them for.
Fantastic video please do a comparison factory mx5 to a factory Eride pro Not adding riser stem and upgraded wheels Keep up good work as always Thank you so much for putting so much effort in reviews Even with upgrades on mx5 Eride is crushing it from a box 👏👏👏👍👍👍
Hello! I have a Talaria MX5. I am making my 1916 wheels. I bought a warp9 bar mount, a warp9 handlebar and a warp9 0.75 linkage. Should I change to warp9 linkage 0 for better geometry? or how can I improve it? I use it exclusively for enduro.
Would've loved to have seen stock vs stock on same tires, but cool comparison nonetheless. Btw, what's the status on the tuner app for the 3.0? Thanks!
We’ll do that next. This video just happened by coincidence just after we added wheels to our MX5. 3.0 app will be released after the SR is readily available and they do one more app update.
We built them at Charged Cycle Works by converting the OEM wheels to 18/21. No aftermarket wheels yet on the market. Give us a ring if you want to send your wheels in for conversion. We specialize with Dunlops on smaller lighter sizes for this application and to minimize the fender impact.
How dosnt the mx5 have the power of the 3.0? Because whats on paper? My MX5 does a GPS confirmed 60mph. I haven't seen one review where a 3.0 could do 60. Keep in mind these guys don't sell Talaria so its in their best interests to say the 3.0 is better.
Buenas. Pues yo pienso como tú mi talaría mx5 lo máximo que me ha marcado son 62mph osea que está muy muy bien. Y es verdad en realidad la mx5 tiene un poco más de velocidad punta 👌
Built by Charged Cycle Works. Give us a ring if you want us to convert your OEM wheels to 16/19 or 18/21. Will be selling wheelsets once they are available
@@fcalin21 The gearbox design is nice for sure but I don't know if I would say its a far better bike. The Eride beats it in a lot of categories if you compare them both stock.
"By far" is bullshit. The 3.0 actually beats it in several categories, RANGE being the most important, but the MX5 is probably the best choice for most consumers. Don't exaggerate bro....
We had to build custom 18/21 Wheels off of the Hubs that came on the bike. We are working on having these available for purchase right now. The 18" Fit perfectly size and tire wise once they were built
I see that the not yet available 3.0 pro SR has substantially higher peak power rating, but where does the extra 17 or so pounds of weight come from over the SS? The battery is the same correct? And surely that can’t be much from increased slightly larger motor weight, can it?
@@jakesacquitne I could've sworn they said it was the same exact battery as the 3.0 SS. And a stronger motor probably doesn't count for more than a couple pounds extra, I'm thinking.
Same size battery to clarify but yes it is very different in terms of power output and internal cooling capabilities adding additional weight. this weight also comes from the motor and controller needing better cooling ability
Guys when going over the specs I feel like most people don’t understand which one is better. For example I have no idea which is better jack shaft or the other type motor. So listing the spec with no grading relative to what is being compared against is kinda irrelevant for someone like me.
@@ziephk In a sense the gear box is better but when it comes to repairing a broken drive system the jack shaft can be repaired by anyone but I doubt most can not remove and repair that gearbox
The talaria always had horrible geometry, the eride just stole surrons designs. I wanna see a completely ground up build make the frame, swing arm, sub frame and jab an ebmx ultra motor in it keeping it light as possible. Thats some content i wanna see.
V1 talaria was so bad it was unrideable, drastically improved in v2. But to this day it’s still stink big feeling due to the seat rise profile on it….front end still feels lower than the rear. Like a 2009 Honda.
@@BrianLampright913 Reviews are all dependent on which bike the tester sells. * Amped Bikes reviews seem to lean toward Talaria, and Charged Cycle Works always lean toward the eRide brand. * However what's a fact is that the Jack-Shaft is antiquated and that fact goes across the board to all that are searching for facts.
They both have certain rattles both are very solid. The old Talarias rattled like crazy in comparison to the new one. most of the noise on the new one comes purely from the chain guide which is to be expected
I see that the not yet available 3.0 pro SR has substantially higher peak power rating, but where does the extra 17 or so pounds of weight come from over the SS? The battery is the same correct? And surely that can’t be much from increased slightly larger motor weight, can it?
Larger Motor, and Controller mainly. it is also a slightly different battery with a higher output. The extra weight comes from more copper and internal cooling needed to support that much more power. Luckily a more powerful bike makes it feel lighter while riding. That was a great question!
We need the Sigma vs SR comparison
I wish I could set an alarm for this match up.
I like to see the Sigma go up against the Competition Mx5.
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Agreed!
Imagine someone who bought a Light Bee or MX3, managed to somehow keep it stock, and one of those will be their next bike 😆
@Bengy22 the sigma is actually under performance for the price there's plenty of bikes that wld smoke it
the sigma is faster surronster made a video of it
I wish other companies acted like they were at war with their competitors.
Eride Pro is paying attention.
Competition creates better product!
Thanks guys. Fair and good comparison. I think I would add the costs of the Talaria upgrades (steering stem and wheel set) into the cost analysis since you compared the two bikes with the Talaria upgrades.
The sigma vs the stark ex would be interesting seeing as the sigma is almost a mini stark in how it’s meant to be ridden
I'm 53. I can imagine what it would be like if these things came out in the 80s.
We'd definitely have affordable, long range,
Excellent quality content as always. SR vs Sigma please.
Coming soon!
@@ChargedCycleWorks Can't wait! That will be the battle of the year!
Great report. 100% agree. I’ve gotten to directly compare these bikes and feel the ERP to be amazing, and a better value overall. Hope Warp9 makes some levers and wheels for these ASAP.🙏
Great comparison video thanks CCW
Thanks for watching!
How do we get a 21 wheel and tire setup from you guys?
Great comparison vid. Your content gets better with each vid. Surprised that the MX5 had a higher top speed despite the eride being faster
Thanks! 👍
… was doing completely stock vs stock not possible??
We had already taken the stock wheels apart to scan and build the 18/21's well before the E Ride 3.0 was announced so sadly it wasn't really an option on our end. But even with the performance advantage that the talaria had the E ride still out performed it
Awesome 👌 comparison
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I'll take the chain driven over belt driven any day!!
Nothing wrong with that!
MX5 tip: Bring that rear wheel forward, closer to the front, and get a drop crown as soon as one is available, that should somewhat fix the issue with suspension geometry.
Suspension geometry is fine it's just the ergo's that are the problem and are easily fixed with 3" rise at the handlebar and 1" rise at front seat mounts.
Great video, what model helmet cam, mount and microphone do you guys use? Footage is GREAT !!!!!
Comparing a modified MX5 to a stock 3.0 is pointless in my opinion. Huge wheels slow down the bike for the drags, ruin the range, completely change the handling and ride quality and are $1200 to add. Why didn’t you go borrow a stock bike for a few hours to make a fair comparison?
I don’t think it’s really making that big of difference.. especially with stock motor, controller & battery. Yes tires matter but it stills compares good
The wheels were nothing but an advantage for the bike on everything except for the possibility of range. Battery size alone the Talaria is going to lose range wise anyway, but putting the Talaria at a better advantage with wheels and corrected geometry made for a better riding experience and the Talaria still lost. So all in all even adding a $1200 wheel set to the bike it wasn't as good as the E Ride 3.0 Stock
@@ChargedCycleWorks
The Altis Sigma and the Mx5 have the Gear Boss. That alone is worth 10 eRide pros, plus it's the future!
@@shockadellick I agree, belt drive and jackshafts suck.
MX5 battery is 20% smaller than the 3.0 which was pretty much exactly what was seen in the range “test”. Stock tires on dirt wouldn’t have made much difference if any in those conditions as these are the ultra light weight 18/21 tires CCW is known for running on the small bikes to minimize weight gain.
Amazing how good both of these are out of the box. I got to ride both brands and the MX5 and I liked both of them coming from a Light Bee MX owner with everymod you can throw on it. I would definitely wait on the SR though.
SR is going to be wild!
Awesome review I personally wanted a MX5 but i ended up.getting a Eride 3.0 but im definitely going to look for a used MX5 i think both bikes are look super fun.
you own a eride but still want a mx5? why?
@Jagi603 I like they way the MX5 motor sounds and I just would like one to compare to the eride 3.0.
@ eride better range?
Buen vídeo pero en realidad las buenas comparaciones es ir de serie las dos. Yo tengo desde hace 3 semanas la talaría mx5 pro y la verdad que en general es muy buena emoto es mi primera moto. Pero en si es muy buena y la mía corre hasta las 62mph la transmisión de la mx5 creo que es mucho mejor. Desde mi punto de vista está muy a la par quitando un poco más de alcance de la 3.0. En fin las dos son muy buenas pero yo no cambiaría mi mx5 pro. Saludos desde España
mx5 is the winner in my book for the $ and what u get...great bike...now eride pro 3.0 is faster but I like the breaks on mx5 soo much better stock
all that's needs to ne done on mx5 is front fender Mod it's ugly soo ugly
a lil power upgrades for mx5 and it's still king
@@MiamiElectrix
*The Mx5's larger wheel size sucked up its TORQUE costing it to do poorly in the drag. *The second generation Mx3's stink-bug geometry was corrected 100 years ago. So it's strange to hear them repeat old fake news
* Charged Cycle Works team are smoking strange bud. Like who tests personally modified to stock and calls it fair ?
I still luv my modded surron....lol
@@shockadellick not meant to be fair, just another comparison that our audience was asking for. The MX5 simply wasn’t good enough out of the box w 19/19” tires, so we added moto wheels and tires. To your point, we’ll do another drag race with 2 stock bikes and the result will be similar.
As for geometry, the 2nd gen MX3 and the MX4 had the same problem. 16/19” fixes it somewhat and our 1” drop crown is one of our most popular/requested products bc the front end is still too low and negatively affects the handling vs other bikes.
Just ordered a Stark EX Alpha. Im stoked
That's extremely exciting!
Will you guys be reviewing the new arctic leopard cloud leopard it is very similar to these bike
Yes, we are already working on getting a bike to test
Possibly getting a eride pro 3.0 in a week or so let’s gooooo
Heck yeah!!
Great review.
Glad you enjoyed it!
How about a 2.0 vs 3.0 range test?
Did you see our last video? We focused on the range of the mx5, 3.0, a stock 2.0 and modded x-9000 2.0
@ personally not satisfied with those results. We need an actual side by side test to see if the 3.0 actually has more range as advertised. It’s a deciding factor on if I’d upgrade from my 2.0. I’m sure I’m not alone
The test we all wanted to see - thank you!
Do we know what battery cells these 2 OEM cells are using?
I wish we could have a price option without batteries as a lot of users always want to buy a better battery with a better cell inside to increase capacity ah and power. Tabless cells (Game changing) are available to the DIY market now in the US and Europe.
Thumbs up.
There may be something coming very soon for the more DIY users ;)
@ChargedCycleWorks thank for the reply, eve 40pl, molicell p45b, ampace40 tabless and back 45d as well as Samsung 45t. All these are on the most popular battery wholesale platforms Cell supply (UK), nkon (Europe), lionwhole (us)
Great video 👌
Thanks 👍
There is no contest in power unless one puts a controller on the Talaria. Also, does the Eride use the same fork as a Surron?
Agreed, but these 2 bikes were meant to be competitors. If we put a controller on the mx5, then we would do the same on the 3.0
So wait, bone stock MX5 cost 4.7k but what was tested should be wayy more $$ due to the upgraded handle bars, direct mount stem, wheels and tires set. Yet a bone stock ERP 3.0 only cost 4.9k. No brainer on which one is better for the price.
Very True!
[3:03] That's dirt color looks really cool. Make that a bike skin color and offer it for sale. Call it "dirt wash."
What wheels did you use on the Mx5? I have been trying to find some 18/21 combos for mine.
We build them ourselves on Excel rims. Reach out to us if you want a set, or wait bc they will be on our site soon. Warp9 and others are also working on their mx5 hubs, so more options coming eventually.
i have a mx3, on what should i upgrade?
Looking to get a 3.0. Where??
Charged Cycle Works :)
@@BrianLampright913 Are they in stock??
Our preorders are being shipped now and more bikes on their way. If you want one from this next batch, hit the deposit on our 3.0 product page.
Where are the wheels from please?
We build them and more will be on our website soon!
Great video!!
Thanks, we're glad you enjoyed it!
So has anyone gotten into the a la carte approach to emotos?
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Comparing a modified bike is pointless.
The Talaria had a performance advantage and still wasn't as good... I wouldn't call that pointless
@ChargedCycleWorks You really think the 21/18 didn't affect the end range? Come on guys. You didnt even address that as a reason the mx5 ended up with 9%. Also you put 0 consideration into street riding which is what 90% of people buying these bikes will use them for.
Fantastic video please do a comparison factory mx5 to a factory Eride pro
Not adding riser stem and upgraded wheels
Keep up good work as always
Thank you so much for putting so much effort in reviews
Even with upgrades on mx5 Eride is crushing it from a box 👏👏👏👍👍👍
@@steedu46gt I disagree..I ride with a group of different brand electrics and none of us ride on the street at all and we all have 21" front wheels.
Better is always subjective. Especially when you you know for a fact a company benefits enormously from one company.
Hello! I have a Talaria MX5. I am making my 1916 wheels. I bought a warp9 bar mount, a warp9 handlebar and a warp9 0.75 linkage. Should I change to warp9 linkage 0 for better geometry? or how can I improve it? I use it exclusively for enduro.
I think Talaria is losing a lot of buyers with that beefy frame when compared to eride and surron and now ventus.
The esthetics and weight of that bike aren’t as good as the ones you mentioned, but man it sure is a strong bike!
@yevgeniylankin7032
The Altis Sigma is more beefy than the Mx-5.
I'd rather hit 40-50ft doubles on beefy frame myself, wouldn't you?
Talaria isn't losing me as a buyer ...... My first bike as of right now is going to be the MX5 Pro.
Would've loved to have seen stock vs stock on same tires, but cool comparison nonetheless. Btw, what's the status on the tuner app for the 3.0? Thanks!
We’ll do that next. This video just happened by coincidence just after we added wheels to our MX5.
3.0 app will be released after the SR is readily available and they do one more app update.
A few questions, where did you get the wheels for the Talaria? Also how much air did you put in the front forks? Thanks
Also what size tires do you have on the 18 21?
We built them at Charged Cycle Works by converting the OEM wheels to 18/21. No aftermarket wheels yet on the market. Give us a ring if you want to send your wheels in for conversion.
We specialize with Dunlops on smaller lighter sizes for this application and to minimize the fender impact.
Surron Ultra Bee with more Power out of the box would be a game changer!
Ultra bee is definitely a killer mid sized bike!
Put an X-9000 controller on your ultra bee for about 16kw and with a battery upgrade the sky is the limit…scary fast
@@BrianLampright913 ye man but i dont want to spend so much on upgrades you know
I rode the SR ......nuts
Excited for that!
@@ChargedCycleWorks where does the majority of weight difference come from between the 183 pound SR and the 166 pound SS?
@@nealmathews2185 stronger frame and bigger motor
How dosnt the mx5 have the power of the 3.0? Because whats on paper? My MX5 does a GPS confirmed 60mph. I haven't seen one review where a 3.0 could do 60. Keep in mind these guys don't sell Talaria so its in their best interests to say the 3.0 is better.
Buenas. Pues yo pienso como tú mi talaría mx5 lo máximo que me ha marcado son 62mph osea que está muy muy bien. Y es verdad en realidad la mx5 tiene un poco más de velocidad punta 👌
Power and top speed are very different things. The Talaria has a higher top speed but the 3.0 has much more acceleration
@@ChargedCycleWorks en fin las dos son muy buenas Motos pero por general me tira más talaría por suspensiones frenos y calidad.
Altis Sigma!
What wheels are those for the mx5 and where did you get them
Built by Charged Cycle Works. Give us a ring if you want us to convert your OEM wheels to 16/19 or 18/21. Will be selling wheelsets once they are available
Talaria is by far the better one.
You serious?
@@Shreddylife Gear box, linkage suspension, among others.
@@fcalin21 The gearbox design is nice for sure but I don't know if I would say its a far better bike. The Eride beats it in a lot of categories if you compare them both stock.
"By far" is bullshit. The 3.0 actually beats it in several categories, RANGE being the most important, but the MX5 is probably the best choice for most consumers. Don't exaggerate bro....
@@BrooklynNY1979 The 3.0 shows lack of effort since it does not have a gear box and suspension linkage.
Did the mx5 need any adapters to fit in the 18" wheel?? Or was it a direct fit
We had to build custom 18/21 Wheels off of the Hubs that came on the bike. We are working on having these available for purchase right now. The 18" Fit perfectly size and tire wise once they were built
Does the 3.0 have reverse?
It does!
I see that the not yet available 3.0 pro SR has substantially higher peak power rating, but where does the extra 17 or so pounds of weight come from over the SS? The battery is the same correct? And surely that can’t be much from increased slightly larger motor weight, can it?
Battery, motor, and frame reinforcement. It’s a different battery than 3.0.
@@jakesacquitne I could've sworn they said it was the same exact battery as the 3.0 SS. And a stronger motor probably doesn't count for more than a couple pounds extra, I'm thinking.
@ I got charged on the phone and asked as I’m trying to buy a few. That’s what they told me! Just going off that info.
Same size battery to clarify but yes it is very different in terms of power output and internal cooling capabilities adding additional weight. this weight also comes from the motor and controller needing better cooling ability
Am I the only one who would be worried about getting neutered on the Talaria battery lid?
You're not alone in that!
Surron bee vs 3.0 pls
The light bee truthfully doesn't even compare to the e ride 3.0. The 3.0 walks away from it in every category except for weight
Guys when going over the specs I feel like most people don’t understand which one is better.
For example I have no idea which is better jack shaft or the other type motor. So listing the spec with no grading relative to what is being compared against is kinda irrelevant for someone like me.
@@ziephk In a sense the gear box is better but when it comes to repairing a broken drive system the jack shaft can be repaired by anyone but I doubt most can not remove and repair that gearbox
We mention this towards the end of the video when going over the pros and cons of each bike
luv my mx5 a few mods but nothing for power yet....lol
The front caliper rubbing on the front spokes tho, sounds bad. On the e ride pro 3
Caliper is not rubbing on the spokes
The talaria always had horrible geometry, the eride just stole surrons designs. I wanna see a completely ground up build make the frame, swing arm, sub frame and jab an ebmx ultra motor in it keeping it light as possible. Thats some content i wanna see.
Believe it or not, coming soon!!
I stopped watching at 4:45. E-ride is clearly the winner. Still waiting for artic leopard 800 update video.
@Charged Cycle Works
Talaria fixed the stink-bug effect you speak of on the 2nd generation Mx3...
I see and smell something FISHY.
They improved it but didn’t fix it
@@ChargedCycleWorks
Bro, like who tests personally modified to stock and calls it fair ?
V1 talaria was so bad it was unrideable, drastically improved in v2. But to this day it’s still stink big feeling due to the seat rise profile on it….front end still feels lower than the rear. Like a 2009 Honda.
@@BrianLampright913
Reviews are all dependent on which bike the tester sells.
* Amped Bikes reviews seem to lean toward Talaria, and Charged Cycle Works always lean toward the eRide brand.
* However what's a fact is that the Jack-Shaft is antiquated and that fact goes across the board to all that are searching for facts.
@@BrianLampright913 I wouldn't try to explain that to the fanboys they don't get it lol
8:15 😂
3.0 is better hands down
Which one rattles? I would throw the older Talaria in the trash.
They both have certain rattles both are very solid. The old Talarias rattled like crazy in comparison to the new one. most of the noise on the new one comes purely from the chain guide which is to be expected
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I see that the not yet available 3.0 pro SR has substantially higher peak power rating, but where does the extra 17 or so pounds of weight come from over the SS? The battery is the same correct? And surely that can’t be much from increased slightly larger motor weight, can it?
Larger Motor, and Controller mainly. it is also a slightly different battery with a higher output. The extra weight comes from more copper and internal cooling needed to support that much more power. Luckily a more powerful bike makes it feel lighter while riding. That was a great question!