Alan Brazil ARGUES That Ipswich Town Are A BIGGER Club Than Crystal Palace 👀 | talkSPORT
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- Alan Brazil insists that Ipswich Town are a bigger club than Crystal Palace.
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I'm an Ipswich fan and the thing is, the 'bigger club' debate is an ever evolving thing. If palace get relegated and Ipswich do get promoted (not likely under current form) and then we establish ourselves in the top flight and Palace struggle to get back up, then we'd be the bigger club. At this moment in time though, Palace are undoubtedly a bigger club than Ipswich
Historically Ipswich are bigger (having won the league, FA and UEFA Cups) and Palace having not won a major trophy
@@omegaman6494 I agree but Palace are also an established Premier league club, whereas we haven't been in the Premier for over 20 years now. Its hard to deny that being a premier league club is a big deal these days
@@omegaman6494 bigger is such a weird term tho that everyone seems to have different definitions. Ppl weigh it completely off trophies meaning more ucls = instantly bigger no matter what. Some ppl base it off of who is the bigger name worldwide and who has a bigger worldwide fanbase, more shirt sales etc. This is probably the best way of doing it if we are talking about the word 'bigger'. Trophies don't always equate to size but ofc they help because that's how more ppl watch you and learn about you. Are forest bigger than arsenal because they've won ucls, the most famous trophy in europe? I don't think you can use that logic. If you asked everyone on this planet do you know arsenal or forest, more ppl are picking arsenal especially in this generation. This is why palace are obv bigger because they are just a more famous football club in this day and age (atm anyway)
@@0xmooIpswich are far more known world wide than Palace. Even now. Our sponsor is one of the biggest pop stars on the planet.
No noise from from the tractor boys 😂😂😂 working with a couple Ipshit fans and they are unbearable, month ago they was all 'we'll be playing you're lot next season' to now hibernating somewhere, love it 😂😂😂
Ipswich are bigger, but many people believe football began in 92,
I'm a Palace fan I think if you take league status and the finances that go with it out of the equation, Ipswich are bigger by default.
Forest fan here, Ipswich are bigger than Bournemouth, Brighton, Palace, Brentford etc. History of winning the UEFA cup dictates they should be held in high regard.
What's being a forest fan got to do with it, noone cares
Forest biggest club in all the Midlands easily 👍 Up the Blues
Thank you for your kind words .. good luck for the rest of the season
@@JoolsUK 😂
Winning a Eufa cup decades ago means nothing in this context.
if you started applying that to the assumption of a bigger club then Huddersfield would be bigger than Forest, Ipswich, Palace and a lot of clubs.
Right now Palace are much bigger than Ipswich and Forest.
He’s right Ipswich have won the league under sir Alf and also a European trophy
And this is just a matter of facts as Simon would say
You missed the FA Cup too...
Of course and never lost a home game in Europe they’ve played good teams Real Madrid Barca and inter
Ipswich are a bigger club - Palace are a small club. Brighton are a tiny club.
(Norwich fan)
As a norwich fan ipswich are miles bigger than us and palace
Not a fan of any of these clubs but I just don't see it. They're on about par with Norwich and Palace I'd say
@@rosst8919 trophy cabinet
Ipswich are bigger than Norwich that's why when Norwich beat us it's considered a major event i hear they give their players medals
@@rosst8919Neither have won a major trophy
In 1981, Ipswich were going for League, FA Cup, and UEFA Cup Treble! As an Aston Villa fan, I'm glad they were a bit stretched going for the Treble! Allowed Villa to pup them to First Division Title, and got us European Cup in 1982! That Ipswich team was one of the best EVER! But I'd put both clubs in same bracket with almost every other club outside the top 8 big clubs! But as a Villa fan 40 yrs+ I remember Ipswich as bigger club.🤔
I’m an Ipswich fan and have been for 50 odd years, and I totally agree with what you’ve just said 💙🔵⚪️🔵🙌
Very well put. As a young Ipswich fan that season, I thought that we would always be at the top of the game in Europe and in England. Little did I know it would all be over so soon. I actually admire what Villa did that season and especially topping it off in 1982 with the European Cup. I still think of Ipswich as a biggish club, certainly bigger than Palace. Not as big as Villa, but certainly a top 20 club.
Yeah but this is the modern era not 1980s long ball English football
Neither Ipswich nor Villa were long ball teams. To suggest they were suggests great ignorance.@@tikemyson5627
I remember being a wee lad and watching Preston North End make absolute fools of the opposition on their way to back to back First Division titles in the late 1880’s.
Alan.
Historically yes, its Ipswich, but not right now.
I don't know what exactly constitutes "Bigger" but just one example, Palace have 1.4 million followers on X, Ipswich have 240k.
That's just one example, but right now palace are definitely a bigger club.
Curious with the big X following
I think the context is whether KM should stay at Ipswich or go to Palace and Ipswich absolutely have to potential to be higher placed in the league in 3 to 5 years. It would have been ridiculous for KM to jump ship for Palace considering the backing he has at Ipswich.
@charliemilroy6497 🤦 Palace have been in the top 6 form teams in the Premier League for about the last three months🤣🤣🤦 Ipswich will do really well just to stay in the league. Burnley who ran away with the Championship the other year got a complete humbling in the prem. The league is brutally good.
@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 I made my comment 2 months ago. Palace made a good appointment. It doesn't change the fact the historically ITFC is a bigger club, for sure Ipswich has some catching up to do on and off the pitch, but there is a lot of potential there with owners who are proven winners.
The Scotsbar
These "bigger clubs" are so tiresome. Why does anyone care?
Southampton are on a wobble
Bigger fanbase, bigger home and away following, more seasons spent in the top flight, more major honours, better history. Ipswich are a much bigger club than Crystal Palace
As a Villa fan I firmly agree!
Ipswich have a lot better fan base than palace all day long. Plus three stars on their shirt for the major trophies won
Apart from judging trophy counts, which Ipswich are superior in, looking at total amount of seasons spent in the top flight is another useful metric. Currently, Ipswich have 26 seasons and Palace have 24. Present day following, media presence and financial power would put Palace bigger. It’s close, I don’t think there’s a clear answer to who is bigger.
Present day following? Ipswich average 3-4 thousand more supporters than palace even when at times we were in comparable divisions Ipswich's attendance was still 2-3 thousand higher than Palaces.
Apart from trophies... what else are we playing for?
@@glencurtis6052 Premier League status and top flight football. Ipswich’s success was 40 odd years ago. That is not the modern game, it’s history.
There are 26 clubs in the country with Category 1 Academy status. They play in Premier League 2 and enter an U21 team into the EFL trophy. Ipswich isn’t one of those 26 clubs.
People living of past glories is ridiculous you are looking at completely different eras.
If you went around the world selecting out at random a person from each country and asked them Palace or Ipswich questions 99% would know name Palace not the other.
01/02 last time they was in Prem.
Jonny St Johnston 😂😂😂
Ipswich are bigger than Palace , McKenna ain’t leaving for them.
Ah the classic "bigger club" bullshit. Its only ever brought up as a last resort when a club have nothing left to shout about
Depends how you define "bigger", if it's on achievements in the game and trophies won then obviously Ipswich are much bigger than all those sides, given they have won European and domestic honours and been a leading European side for 10 years plus given England Robson and Ramsey.
If it's on support and size of ambition then with 30,000 in league one they are also bigger.
If it's on current league position and last 10-15 years then no, because they haven't been in the prem.
Crystal Palace have never won a major trophy i find that difficult to imagine. I've supported Ipswich for 60 years travelled all over Europe seen us win major trophies to imagine not doing this is hard to come to terms with .
Used to be more like.
I give Palace credit for surviving in the Premier League but l looked at their honours and the biggest trophy they have won is the Full Members Cup no joking. Ipswich have won more and have at least an equal fan base
Ipswich has a better pedigree than Palace, but finances and the prestige of playing in the Premier League would favour Palace on the whole which is a bigger club argument. I hope Ipswich are promoted again this season, then my answer would be flipped.
Winning a couple of trophies 50 odd years ago doesn't make them a big club. Man City's trophy cabinet is pretty full right now, but I'd still say that the likes of Arsenal and Newcastle are both bigger clubs.
What have Newcastle won during that time? Pretty flawed logic
@djsteves554 and that's my point. They've won naff all, yet are still a bigger club than Man City. Palace too have won naff all, but are a bigger club than Ipswich. Success 50 years ago doesn't make them big now
@@ghost-trainsYour logic is totally floored. You're saying Newcastle are a bigger club historically than Man City. And the next sentence you say we have to forget history with Ipswich and only think of the present and Palace are bigger.
@@ghost-trains you must be 10 years old, city have always been a bigger club than newcastle
Newcastle 😂
Ipswich are a far bigger team the Palace. They are bigger than half the premier league.
😂
Of course 😂😂😂 you will be lucky to make the playoffs!,
@@Mf19593 Yeah yeah yeah. Still going for 2nd right now.
Bigger than Palace, Fulham, Sheff Utd, Forest, Burnley, Bournemouth, Luton, Wolves, Brighton & Brentford? All of those? Coz I know you can’t mean Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Villa, Everton, Newcastle & West Ham.
@@koneezy Spot On.
Alan and Mcoisty are brilliant !!
.... I can never understand these three.... 😮😅 ... you say us Aussies are a weird sounding bunch. All I hear is a wookie howel when I listen to these guys and gal lol
Biggest club should be based on who has spent the most times in the top division.
The most trophies 🏆 is what it should be based on
Ipswich have been in the top flight a total of 26 years and Crystal Palace a total of 24 years so looks like Ipswich are still the bigger club!!! Just so you know the football league started way before 1992!!
Also Ipswich have won the top division and still the only team to do that after being promoted the year before!! They also finished the highest newly promoted team in the Premier league era!! Also won the uefa cup, been in the European Cup (now called the champions league), finished second in the league and have never spent more then £3m on a player!! So what have Crystal Palace done, expect being a bottom half team just making up the numbers whilst spending £27m on a player!!
No, based on who has won the most, not just participating in a division. What have palace ever won?
Alan's been drinking again. Hide the car keys.
An Ipswich Town sell out a 60,000 stadium? I doubt it but Palace will. Palace against West Ham playoffs proved how big Palace were when they had more than fans
Even Plymouth can half fill Wembley. Counting happy clapper fans that are only even at the game because its Wembley isn't good. Most of those fans will never have even been to selhurst Park. Town hit capacity every week at 29,000.
Ipswich sell out there stadium weekly and even in league 1
And it has a bigger capacity than palaces ground , Ipswich could’ve sold double easily there ticket allocation when they went to the play off final
Selling out a 1 off half stadium of wembley is not the same as week in week out especially when the going gets tough and on a weekday. There is a massive difference with that lol.
No way would palace fill a 60k stadium and no way you had more fans than west ham in the play offs 😂😂
Ridiculous discussion, Palace 14 seasons in EPL during last 30 years, Ipswich 2 times, more to the point when was last time Ipswich won the UEFA and FA cups?, 44 and 46 years ago, CP obviously bigger
When was the last time Palace won the UEFA and FA cup?
Ipswich all the way
Even in the last 30 years Ipswich have finished 5th in the prem and had 2 seasons in Europe. Still a bigger club than palace.
I dont measure success on how long a club is in the league for. Nottingham forrest went years without being in the prem but are a massive club.
@jackhewitt600 massive club 😂 forests attendances are appalling for a so called massive club. Derby and Leicester have more fans than them in the east midlands
Ipswich have won the league and cup plus a european trophy
In terms of European football Ipswich are bigger.
No contest, Ipswich are so much bigger than Palace it isn't evern worth mentioning.
Don’t forget Ipswich were a league ONE club for a few years ago and Palace are an established Premier league club and by far the bigger club.
Form is temporary class is permanent. Ipswich have won significant honours including European and domestic trophies.
@MarlboroughBlenheim1 ipswich have barely spent any time in the top division. Having said that neither have palace. Both are championship standard clubs
@@rosst8919 eh? They were top six every year under Bobby robson for 12 years winning European and domestic trophies and won the league championship under Alf Ramsey. Both went on to be England managers on the back of Ipswich. You might have heard of them. Ipswich also were a founder member of the premier league and came fifth in their first season under George Burnley in 2000. It's nonsense to say they've "barely" been in the top division as anyone with any understanding of the game knows. They've also never been beaten at home in over 40 European matches in all three European competitions.
Now, what have palace done exactly?
@MarlboroughBlenheim1 I'm not a palace fan so I don't care. I do know that ipswich have only spent about 26 season in the top division in their entire history (100 plus years im guessing) which is pitiful for what someone would class as a big club. They've also had a stretch in league and 2 decades in the championship. Someone did a big club table (based on honours, historical attendance, years in top division and league position) and Ipswich came out about 27th. Not a big club. Get over it.
@@rosst8919 No one claimed Ipswich were a big club, you've totally missed the entire point. The issue is whether they are bigger than Palace. It was also claimed they had "barely" been in the top flight, but 26 seasons (in which time they also won major honours and were a top European side for a good part of that time) cannot possibly constitute "barely" being a top flight side for any period.
Ipswich aren't a big club, agreed. They are bigger than Palace, which was the whole point of the video and thread. They are also a unique club in that they come from a small town, yet have produced England's two greatest managers and certainly under robson were a top European side for several years. Again, palace have never come close to that.
Historically Ipswich are bigger than Palace.
what is this haggis FM?
I’ve watched Palace play a decade in a league I don’t remember Ipswich being in. Keep your trophies from 40 years ago, we don’t care.
Typical palace fan, doesn't appreciate success and winning trophies because they've never done it.
@@MarlboroughBlenheim1many Ipswich fans have never seen their club win a trophy or even seen in the Premier League. Haven't even seen them in a cup final. Palace have been in the Premier for a decade and have been to the FA Cup Final recently and a semi Ipswich fans would live to be in Palace's position.
3 Scottish presenters. I wonder how many out there call this "woke" and "ticking a box"....
@@footballsoccerx2021 palace have won nothing in all that time and have just made up the numbers - and trust me, plenty of town fans do remember the European and domestic trophies won. But anyway, let's see where Ipswich are next season!
@@MarlboroughBlenheim1I know that many Town fans remember- but there's a sizeable contingent who don't. Town's glory days were the late 1970s and early 80s.
A player given the choice of going to Palace or Ipswich TODAY would go for Palace
He’s right
......he's been at the whiskey again
Ipswich are obviously bigger, look at the clubs achievements, unbeaten record at home in Europe, fanbase even now after years out of the top flight
Ipswich > Palace However being in London they get good players who want to live in the big city
By that metric Mr Brazil Huddersfield Town are bigger than Palace.
They are
They are- there’s no question. Being PL doesn’t make you big.
Love Alan spot on the Town are a sleeping giant❤
Talksport never say a good thing about Ipswich if they can say a bad thing.
He would be wrong
He is bang on
Ipswich are bigger of course, 3 major trophies and bigger crowds than Palace the last 2 seasons despite being in League 1 and now the championship
They're only bigger because we're limited by Selhurst's capacity
@@danofthesouthand your capacity is based on your support. Otherwise you would have a bigger ground
@@glencurtis6052 no we have spent the last 8 odd years trying to get planning permission. Work starts this summer on the main stand. Adding another 8K seats.
It’s not size it’s what you do with it???
Have to say Brazil is bigger than most people.
The best thing to come out of Ipswich is the A12, the place is a dump full of the weirdest individuals you'll ever meet 😂
Have you never been to Norwich ?
Norwich is nicer than Ipswich@@robertmcgivern6585
Yeah whatever troll..
Don't shobbann look great considering she up at 2 am 😅
Ipswich are a far bigger club than Palace, just look at their history. Fantastic club and so proud that my daughter is events and conferencing co-ordinator for them.
And Alan right
Ipswich got 30,000 in league one for crying out loud - that is the size of the club. What do palace get in the prem?
26k is what they got
@@rosst8919 well there we go then
He’s right Ipswich are bigger than half the prem
foooking hell lads, what is this? Jock hour!!
He’s been drinking the turps again!
Palace are a sleeping giant and with the right investment could fill a 50000 stadium the biggest club in south London by a mile with massive catchment area I remember when we took 19000 to Chelsea in 76
Both are small clubs. Palace are punching above their weight and have already hit their ceiling. Ipswich are where they should be
@@rosst8919This didn't age well!🚜
😂 not a chance
Whilst Ipswich are in the championship they are smaller get promoted they are bigger.
Ipswich are much bigger
Achieved more,yes,bigger club,no.....
😂😂 How does that add up.
To many jocks.😂😅😂😅😅😅😅😅
Shaban is a disaster
An ex-Ipswich player with pro Ipswich propaganda, whoda thunkit?
Is this the Ipswich who got beat off maidstone?
9 changes mate and we had about 30 bloody shots, sht happens, one off game..