i wouldn't say it like that he still trained his entire life and a portion of that is going to be transferable especially in a sport that values strength when it comes to the competitive aspect for all we now he could have train 5 days a week easily a thousand hours compared to a commercial blue belt only some days 200-300 hours a year and i think in the higher levels you can see a interconnective aspect of it all where strength does have it place
I'm kinda laughing at me and my cousin. So I did Japanese Jujitsu as a teen for 3 years so I have some technical knowledge as BJJ came from Japanese Jujitsu, but no real experience in BJJ. Now, at 44 years of age...I've been doing calisthenics for 4 years specializing in gymnastics rings and essentially my core is what stops my blue belt cousin from subbing me. He's 45 and we grew up competitive in a fun way.
I’m a purple belt (2 stripes) and had a trial who claimed no experience. He was a small, nerdy guy that was smaller and shorter than me. I was going to go light with him and I started playing guard. He immediately starts pinning my leg with ferocious strength and knee sliding to pass like a total pro. I recovered and then he immediately double unders me and starts to toss my legs to the side. I was honestly shocked because I was not expecting that and was playing light. I stepped it up a bit and tried to scissor sweep and he leapt up from both knees into a sprawl position and foiled it. I started going nearly all out and did manage to sweep him and get side control. I didn’t go for a submission because he was a trial. Afterwards I point blank told him he was lying about not training and that’s when he remembered that oh yeah was a D1 wrestler 4 years in college. I just looked at him and said, uh that counts, bro. 😂
I wrestled folk style for 5 years. It's all fun and games until I get to the ground and then I'm about as defenseless as a baby against a 1+ year BJJ student.
Thats funny man, right up until the last sentence as was like ''lair!'' Also, from your description, I would bet anything he also had a bit off bjj/grappling. Even wrestlers with wrestling only don't do great on day one. You're a purple, you were probably thinking the same.
@@dustinb1070 I'd be training about 18 months, paired with this guy to drill and asked if he'd like to spar after. Hadn't seen him before in the gym so asked if he was new. He says yes. Asked if he'd done any BJJ he said he'd had one lesson. I start the roll going easy. He proceeded to submit maybe 10 times in 5 minutes. I'm thinking what the fuck is going on??? I asked again to make sure I didn't misunderstand if he did any BJJ. he says no but he'd trained catch wrestling for 15 or so years. Guy was unbelievable lol
Your students are very lucky to have a teacher like you. A person who has the humility and vulnerability to acknowledge a deficiency is the strongest kind of person. Thanks for setting a great example to the community.
13 years doing bjj and there’s nothing surprising about it. I’ve gotten tapped by blue belts as well. Me: 44 years old 200lbs. The blue belt: 21 years , 220lbs, wrestled through out high school.
I'm a purple belt and I've been struggling with this 14 year old kid who's been training forever ever since he hit a growth spurt and wrestled in middle school a couple years 😅
I run a school. I had two of these people over the years. One was a gymnast about my size. My experience was about the same as yours in this video. The other was a massive power lifter. I got in sidemount, but he was able to one arm bench my bodyweight over himself until he was holding me down in a one arm push-up position. No amount of technical ability was helping me control the second guy. Monsters do exist. The bigger guy wasn't mean or anything. I just tried to explain that he needed jiujitsu for the people out there equal to him in strength. He's a purple belt now.
Yeah man, powerlifter strength is different than bodybuilder strenght, which I never had problems with. These are the people I hate(not really hate).......wrestlers, farmers, powerlifters, construction workers.
After rolling with a olympic swimmer once, im scared of anyone elite in a field with strong genetic barriers. NBA/nfl/swimming/gymnastics/runners, etc.
as a judo coach that is learning jiujitsu, i am also familiar with these natural freaks that have such great body control,strength, ballance and awareness.. i hope he keeps at the sport. its an insructors wet dream to have such natural talent that you can help harness.
How are you a Judo coach learning JJ? BJJ is just Judo newaza, Judo is literally sportified Japanese JJ. Your post makes zero sense. You should already know every single choke submission etc they're doing in any BJJ academy.
Must be behind the times buddy yes bjj is derived from judo but newer age judo schools don't even teach ground Game anymore as you can't do them in competition bjj is purely grappling on the ground so while he teaches throws he learns bjj for ground work there's videos all around of judo vs jiu jitsu @horiturk333
In judo, when you pin your opponent, say in side control or mount or anything of the sort. If your opponent hooks one of your legs with their legs, the pin is considered broken. You have to pin for 20 seconds to win by way of pin. A lot of times, judokas give up their back and stay in a tight turtle position. The ref will stand both combatants back to the feet. So BJJ helps you in judo comp by allowing you to maximize your opportunities for advancing position, or getting a hasty submission. Ne-waza in judo can be stood up so quick. In short, jiu-jitsu helps you make the most out short ne-waza spurts, as well as finishing off a Waz-ari which is a half point and reduces the pin time to win to 10 seconds. A perfect transition!
@@simplyfitness892you have no idea what you’re talking about, Judo is just a style of sportified Jiu Jitsu you can read that in Jigoro Kanos own writings. Jiu Jitsu is simply an umbrella term for many styles of unarmed combat that flourished in feudal Japan. Judo is to Jiu Jitsu as Kendo is to Kenjutsu. Every move in BJJ came from Mitsuyo Maeda, a direct student of Jigoro Kano who taught the Gracie’s in Brazil. Judo is quite literally JJ. All BJJ did was focus on newaza and the guard, it’s basically Judo without most of the stand up and without the throws.
50+ yr old black belt. 6 ft 215 pounds. We had a trial in our gym, nogi, he looks older than me white guy in his late 50s. No BJJ experience no wrestling. He's a good 6 inches and 40 pounds lighter than me. I let him get on top and it took me 5 minutes to sweep him, later I found out he did valle tudo for like 15 years so basically a retired MMA fighter. The point is we cant always tell if they had some kind of fighting experience/grappling experience. 2nd story. When I was a white belt many years ago, we had an early 20s guy come in and said he wrestled in college. But it was a gi trial, turns out he wrestled for Oklahome or Iowa a top D1 school, and our black belt coach basically couldnt get him off of him. Of course he could have submitted him, but that wasnt the drill. This guy first day of BJJ basically once he got on top was so hard to sweep, he wasn't even big like maybe 160 pounds but just his ability to scramble, balance, spin, was otherworldy. Last story. I was in Japan when I was a blue belt, and this old guy comes in early 60s maybe older, wearing a blue belt but everyone was whispering. Found out later he was an olympian back in the day, and even as a blue belt in his 60s nobody could submit him, not even the 20 something black belts that's amazing. Love your channel btw!
Great stories. People act like its surprising but its really not, a lot of black belts come in for 2 hrs 3-5 times a week vs other hobbyists, a D1 wrestler is an elite full time athlete, theyve been training hard and competing since they were a kid against other elite, genetically predisposed athletes with strength & conditioning regimens. With all due respect to bjj black belts its not the same thing. Much less an olympian.
First degree BlackBelt and school owner here. While I give you credit for honesty; this is an incredibly dangerous “test” for someone doing a free trial. I personally know someone who did a trial at an MMA school and they held him down and told him to explode and escape. Explode was the appropriate word because he did just that..but as he went to Bridge up on his neck and shoulders and gave himself a hernia and fractured his neck. Grappling is too dangerous to give someone no instruction or context and then ask them to perform rigorous physicality under intimidating and pressured situations.
To be fair, powerlifting and gymnastics is one of the best foundations Nothing but Pure strength/mobility/flexibility and kinesthetic awareness in those
Powerlifting is not so good base for BJJ to be fair, there were some good lifters in our gym - nothing special, they are strong, but have very bad balance. But gymnastics is legit.
He may or may not be telling you everything he learned. If he stays long enough in your gym, you will learn more about him.. Many years ago I was a blue belt getting crushed by this 'new' person. A month later, he admitted he had a judo black belt. Another month, he said he also had a bjj blue belt. Finally, he said he was actually a 4th degree judo black belt in his country of origin. Thankfully, we had amazing purple belts who can smash him... He left our gym after less than a year.
People who do this are actually a joke lmao. I see it all the time. Brand new white belts with "no experience" or "just a couple months of experience 10 years ago" who come to the school who are doing obvious techniques. I turn it up to 10 on them to let them know that i see through their BS. It's literally like me going to Mexico, saying oh I only know a couple words in Mexican to the locals, and then having somewhat fluid conversations with all the locals. I don't understand why people do it; it's insanely cringe, these types aren't impressing the higher belts or the teacher/coach, and they end up just getting a target on their back.
You can tell typically how good someone is and how much experience they have really quickly into a roll. Like you might not know what belt they are but you know if someone has trained by the quality of their moments and their timing
@@user-nk3re4dj5h Maybe they're just being humble. So how's that cringe? The cringe alternative would be to say "I'm a 4th degree Judo Black belt in my country of origin and a BJJ blue belt", only to get smashed by purple belts. Also Mexican isn't a language, it's a Nationality. You're thinking about Spanish.
Sandbagging is cringe. Being dishonest is also cringe. If someone straight up asks you what experience you have, and you lie about it, all you're doing is making people feel like they suck.
A lot of times we get used to playing Jiu-Jitsu against people that know the game and regular people react randomly aggressively and chaotically so it can deff throw us off lol respect for the post, bro shit happens
I'm glad you uploaded this video, It shares a really honest insight into the reality of grappling. It's something we all innately understand ln some level as humans and occasionally you'll run into somebody who's naturally good for one reason or another. This is a very realistic and honest upload of what can happen.
Kudos for talking about this man. I have been a HUGE proponent of getting your jiu jitsu to the level of being able to handle that strong, athletic and explosive new white belt. A strong background in sports, combined with a legit athlete is no joke. They are going to take you for a ride, and I never sleep on them. A 9 month white belt, or a good female blue belt isn’t going to be enough. A legit purple or higher is needed for that type of person IMO.
There's also different levels of "handling". Even if you're technically winning doesn't mean you're really dominant and would be safe in a self defense situation. I can typically "handle" new athletic guys in the sense that I'm winning, but I still end up stalled with a headlock that "doesn't work" or I have to wait for them to gas out. In a serious situation you probably want to win immediately and not in four minutes or sth.
Thanks for the video! I'm a blue belt at a high level gym and have won a tournament at white belt that had 17 competitors. I'm by no means good by black belt standards, but I'm decent. I typically beat most other blue belts, including larger guys, football players, or wrestlers. One time I rolled with an 18 year old who was about my weight and was on his trial class. I beat him every time but I was sooo exhausted by the end I was shocked. He said he did gymnastics for 10 years and plays soccer at a high level. His explosive strength, body awareness, flexibility, and movement creativity were all off the charts. There are definitely outliers out there in more than just size or traditional weight-lifting strength. And it also seems like gymnastics might be one of the best bases for jiu jitsu... Oss...
@@gbogdanoveI think it's the flexibility standard, stretches help you so much in most positions but gymnasts have legitimate strength going diagonal and upwards etc (I'm 2 months in to BJJ with 0sport experience feel free to disregard my opinion)
You're all using too much strength as gym owners/black belts. Use silent jiu jitsu. Be like water my friend and then you won't require strength. THAT is what jiu jitsu is about. Not this top alpha dog horse sh:t that some people mistakenly subscribe to.
Soccer would be crazy cardio. The legs would be way stronger than normal folks as they have to be explosive to sprint and catch the ball or charge in for a shot. Can imagine the bridging would be way tougher to manage. And for sure gymnastics are considered goat territory by gsp and that guy really knows his stuff.
I’ve been training Jujitsu for over 25 years and I’ll still have new people come in that are just athletically inclined and have great coordination. They may have never taken a formal class anywhere but they have good body mechanics and I always tell people there’s a difference when you’re trying to hold down, new white belt because they act like they’re fighting for their lives so sometimes it takes a lot to control them. Good video. Thanks for the share.
Props for posting this. I find that what we do as 'BJJ people' is that we get used to people playing the BJJ game. I have experienced this very same thing in my gym numerous times. I now make a point of being the first one to do a similar thing as you with all new guys (Playing the escape game). Because this is real and their reactions are real. If you cannot use your technique against just raw physicality, then your BJJ is shit. I don't care how many trophies you have. I'v seen me be double inside bicep controlled from the guy i'm mounting and, as you are taught, swimming inside. But he just squashed both my arms into my sides and bridged me off. I've seen me have (as these guys come a few times) a full bow and arrow sunk in and feeling my fingers being pulled out their sockets because of how hard the guy is pulling his Gi open.. Unfortunately after a few weeks of training these guys lose that raw natural fighting instinct, which is a shame. But good of you to post this up. This is the reality of things. The instructors who are too arrogant to admit to this often make the excuse that "BJJ is to be used against untrained opponents". My argument is that nowadays.. there are NO untrained opponents. Everyone is lifting in the gym, doing martial arts, on steroids. They have watched UFC, they know what mount and back is. So thank you for posting this. We need more honesty like this in BJJ. Too many shit moves are being taught and sold to people for marketing. The art needs a return to reality like this.
This is an epic comment. Thank you for taking the time to write it. One thing you mentioned, about guys losing their physicality after a couple weeks of training, I have seen this a lot. At first the guys are really hard rolls, then they learn to be technical and relaxed and become easy rolls. It’s after the technique is acquired, if you can bring back that unbridled aggression, that you’re going to have a champion!
@massivojohnson spot on - people are far more familiar with mma techniques now as opposed to 25-30 years ago, pre- Gracies, pre- RUclips ..Everyone’s been exposed to everything in varying degrees & has some,even minimal, experience. Martial arts, BJJ , judo etc don’t render any of us as somehow “invincible! “ Street guys who’ve been fighting to survive their whole lives, freak athletes with amazing natural attributes, even a lucky drunk with a good sucker punch can ALL pose a threat vs a trained opponent. We have to be realistic.
Very true. I’m visiting a no gi school that is heavy into competition and MMA. I’m a 43 year old purple belt and these guys and gals go all out and go for the kill every round. Tbh I’m just trying to not get injured. Probably won’t come back after my 2 week visit is up lol
You raised a good point . I have never trained in boxing formally but I spent hours doing boxing footwarks and creating angle and building a mindset that allow me to throw a chain on punches instead of one big punch. And I lift . I may not be beating any boxer or kickboxer but against untrained striker I can certainly whip out some boxing moves.
Thanks for posting. I’m a 50 YO mid blue belt. I had a very similar experience and def drove home disheartened. Just me and a brand new whitebelt in the class. I started on bottom half and expected pressure. He immediately stood up and wildly passed my guard. I was in self preservation mode as this felt like a street fight. I subbed him with a shitty guillotine (felt lucky as he was escaping). Then got a deep Kimura and stopped as I thought I was going to break his arm. He was confused as to why I stopped. Then he passed and mauled me in mount. I tapped to pressure on my neck. I was gassed! One five minute roll! Anyways. Thanks again as this helped me cope 😂🤙🤙
@@crzabjj I like to remember that I’m not there to be better than others but to be better than myself yesterday. Props to not breaking the arm as well. Thanks for commenting!
Thanks for this. In my opinion this is the best simulation for a self-defense situation. An untrained individual won’t use Jiu-Jitsu and that alone can be distracting enough to lose the fight.
Thanks for the honesty. It is well respected. Today I submitted a man 20 years younger, one belt higher, and 25lbs heavier. The rest of the story is he submitted me three times in our 15 min roll. I was pleased with the roll. There’s always something to be learned.
Bro, thank you for posting this. I don’t know of anyone, especially an experienced Black Belt, who would show this to the public. Being humble is a staple of a solid instructor, and you’ve got it in spades. I wish you much success and that trial student needs to be poached and signed immediately.
I’ve explained Jiu Jitsu to people as “high school wrestling with arm-twisting and chokeholds while wearing karate clothes”. That helps people realize that size/strength and age/speed also factor into rolling.
As black belt coaches, we ALL get humbled from time to time. Never underestimate anyone. At least your honest. Kudos to you for sharing your experience. Stay humble!
Brown belt here 44 years old and been training for about 10 years. We have a new guy young 24 6'3 firefighter. Since he is slimmer than me and new I thought great let me let him work. OMG. Dude was superhero strong just absolutely smashed me LOL. I was humbled as well but I had to put my pride in check and learn a valuable lesson. Never under estimate your opponent and always respect the grind. Anyone willing to start a combat sport is already a unique person. Thank you for sharing and being a great example of a black belt! Osss
I wish there were more black belt confession videos like this. Appreciate the humility and transparency. Please make more of these videos. Just shared and subscribed thanks! 🤙
i'm a blackbelt myself. had a new student that was weighing like 65kg? tops. super nerd looking. the guy had INSANE strength and ballance. i have fought 120kg guys i can do whatever. some ppl are naturaly gifted. and that's cool. as a black belt your blessing is to create athletes better than you.
Big credit to you for posting this!! Honestly though, It didnt look like you had any problem with him at all haha. But nevertheless. I am a gym owner. I am a recently awarded black belt, I am 39 years old and quite small with my 150 pounds and my biggest fear is these guys to be honest. I have a couple of 230 pounds bluebelts/purplebelts that I simply cannot get out from any more, once they get on top mount/sidemount. But thats okey, they been training with me for 4-5 years. However I had an experience with a new whitebelt a couple years back that really tested me during our very first sparring. I had never met him before, he was a little bit bigger and he was actually quite a bit older than me maybe 45-50 years. To this day I have no idea about his background, but I thought I would go easy on him. He told me he had been to 2 or 3 classes with the other coach. He immediately jumps on me before I had a chance to think and he grabs on hard and by pure coincidence he caught me in a weird kind of armtriangle that he would just NOT let go of! I spent a good 2 or 2 and a half minutes trying really hard to get out and felt myself being stuck in a really akward position, and then I realised I would just have to slow it down and wait him out because I was about to go into panick.. I finally got lose, swept him and subbed him, and unfortunately I probably put too much strength into that armbar as he scream-tapped. I subbed him a couple times more via chokes, and he walked out of the gym never to be seen again. I told him straight up he was very very close to subbing me actually
The Gracie mount escape has a psychological trickery . When you watch them they actually place the persons hands on their chest . And say something along the lines of okay I want you to hold me down. Keep pushing me and hold me down your friends are coming. You’re a big strong guy hold me down and they keep the hands on the chest. This sets them up to try to hold them down by pushing on the chest which allows a trap and roll. Causing them to easily escape.
Here is what I learned from years of rolling. Belts don't mean a thing. A white belt could have years of rolling just not in one gym, so they never stay long enough to be promoted. Many guys come to our gym and say they have no experience, but you can tell within 10 seconds they have rolled before and a lot. This is how they get their jollies. I don't underestimate anybody. Using internet a bunch of guys can get together and roll on the grass, it's not formal learning but its learning. I had a guy who said he was a beginner trying a mounted triangle on me, please stop trying to trick me just to get a tap. Also if you get really good strength is not an issue.
@@BOBBOB-tx7ox I could do a video about my experiences on this too. If someone comes in to my gym wanting to join I want to build trust with them and lying about previous experience is a pretty bad way to start
@@MrCmon113 I am a firm believer that there should be a fixed curriculum because it speeds learning. When you build a house you start with the foundation up not the roof down.
@@gbogdanoveit could also be that they have some experience but they don't think they don't know any BJJ, who wants to go into a new place and be like yeah I have all this experience and still look bad at it/not be good. I have military background (very basic martial arts though) I never know how to respond when I trial at gyms because I have some experience, but I don't want to mention I was in the military have them think I'm going to be a badass, but in reality not know much. And know nothing about BJJ. I usually don't mention it.
Love this video, trial class guys have gone up by 1000% nationwide now. This is amazing for jiu jitsu, thank you for putting this up and I hope it gets the attention it deserves.
NEVER sleep on a gymnast. Their tendons are made of steel. American olympic gymnast Jake Dalton is already a purple belt. They have a strong base just like a wrestler.
Some people are naturally super strong, or blessed with exceptional physical attributes. The techniques are usually designed to deal with the average person, and when those attributes reach such a high level, techniques may not work anymore.
Awesome video. Love the honesty and humility. I think there's a lot of experiences like this if we're to be honest. I know I have mine. You're obviously a great instructor with some very lucky students
It’s really hard to match the intensity of a brand new guy because he is literally fighting AS HARD AS HE CAN, something you’ve trained out of yourself
Had an older white belt student that I was using to illustrate grips once. I usually have super good grips and grip breaks, and I could not move even his pinky finger!!! It was the strongest grip I’ve ever felt. Come to find out he was a retired military mechanic and had decades of built up old man strength. 😅 Very humbling…
I’m around 200 pounds, did powerlifting for over four years with no steroids, and swam competitively from ages 9 to 16. It took me over two years to learn the 'gentle art' aspect of jiujitsu, which has been, by far, one of the hardest sports for me. The grit I developed from swimming and powerlifting competitions helped me a lot but also hindered my ability to learn the techniques and intricacies of the art.
Firstly, awesome that you actually shared this! This is usually the kind of stuff people try to bury as deeply as possible I once had a veeery similar situation I also managed to just about hold and sweep him (to be fair I didn’t give myself a time limit though) But I could tell buddy wasn’t too impressed so I spontaneously introduced „Round 2“ and said „Now with punches!“ I instructed both of us to fake punches, to wind up and stop (he was a kickboxing guy, which helped) with the punches I managed to control him and sweep him rather easily , turning it into a lesson how control is far more important and how you can weaponise the other‘s aggression - thank god I did, because I felt he was ready to walk out and tell all of his friends how Jiu-Jitsu doesn’t work.. So, close call on that one 😅
I train at a big gym and we get new guys like the guy you described at least once every few months. staying on top of a strong, explosive athletic guy like that is not easy, especially if you're in "demonstration" mode and they don't realize that spazzing into a position that gives up their back is even worse for them. However for the second part of the demo you described, when you're on bottom, I've found that arm drag sequences work very well (wether it's arm drag to sweep or arm drag to back take and just flatten him out face down). There's something about the arm drag where even someone with good natural instincts / body awareness (but no grappling experience) doesn't worry about until it's too late.
A lot of BJJ places underemphasize how important strength is, as if skill can get you out of any situation. I remember when I started at my first gym they made a point of having me roll with someone I had 6 inches and 50 lbs on to show me that it was really about skill and I easily dominated this poor guy. He was a blue belt. I ended up leaving the gym after one more lesson because I couldn't take a place that delusional seriously. Glad you put this video out here because bullshido is definitely still alive in the BJJ community. Strength and size are and always will be the most important factors in a violent confrontation, sans weapons.
Controlling new guys is a skill in itself. Something people rarely think about. When you expect JiuJitsu responses and they give random ones it catches you out, this is why I love rolling with new guys. I think it's helpful.
No matter what someone can do when they start, after a few years of proper training they will be orders of magnitude more capable than when they first walked in the door. Hope he sticks with it. Thanks for sharing the story.
Some people are just built different. I rolled with a brand new 19 year old Egyptian guy at my gym, and he absolutely smashed me. Threw me around… I had no idea he was as big, strong and athletic as he was, when wearing a gi. Humbling
unexpected but good bases for grappling i have learned over the years- skate boarding, surfing, gymnastics, powerlifting, body building, strong man, cross fit. anything that requires you to have a strong base and strong core and use of full body movements. it makes a significant difference.
This is the Best BJJ video i have seen. Let me explain. I am a Black Belt 2nd Dan in a multi-style martial art (Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Wrestling, Kick Boxing). I also have a Black belt in another Striking Martial Art. What BJJ instructors and RUclips video say is a Blue belt should beat a White Belt, a Purple should always beat a Blue belt etc. OK, so sometimes new people come to class or join as students with no or very little Martial Arts training. You start to roll with them and you are like Jesus, this guy is a nightmare! What happens is, some people are very strong and naturally athletic. They are also 'naturally good fighters'. The next thing is; they don't conform to the typical movements and patterns you normally roll against as they are just making it up as they go along and do things that are unexpected. Eventually the trained fighter wins, but, it goes to show that some people are just tough as hell without the Martial Arts. especially if they have done some other explosive sports like Gymnastics or Power Lifting. Climbers are usually really good grapplers without any training due to grip strength and conditioning for climbing. Dont get it into your head, that BJJ ranking means that just because you have a Brown Belt or Black Belt you are will always cruise through new students, and some super strong or athletic guy can come and make your life very difficult.
Being the instructor doesn't mean being the strongest competitor. That's something you start learning when aging :°D Kudos for showing the videos and explain your thoughts! Happy training with this new super good mate!
i started training Jiu Jitsu in 1999 at the age of 14 yo. The first thing I was told is always assume your opponent is bigger, stronger and faster than you. It's a rule not taught anymore. I still keep it in mind and over my 25 years of training have met plenty of athletic freaks who have zero experience but just are gifted with explosive power and good instincts. Its good to experience because we as BJJ practitioners get use to the controlled technical rolls we have with our training partners, however in a street fight self defense encounter there is an element of unpredictability and violence of action and speed that a lot of times training in a room full of BJJ technicians cant prepare you for. so again always assume your opponent is bigger stronger and faster than you.
As a current powerlifter that has played and done everything from baseball to skateboarding to striking martial arts, this video actually gives me great hope that i won't get completely squashed my 1st time
It shouldn’t surprise anybody, that strength and size and a decent training regiment in any martial art will give you an upstart on training Jiu Jitsu.
I was routinely destroying high belts when I first started a year ago. It’s probably because I’m 6’2 240 and a powerlifter. And it was all the guys who said “strength and size don’t matter”…
My youngest daughter (10 yrs old) has trained jiujitsu for four years and has done competitive gymnastics for five years. I have seen her have a better body awareness and athleticism than the average student. She’s also incredibly strong for her size. I encourage visiting a competitive gymnastics academy and watch how hard their athletes train.
Yeah as a practitioner it always always happens to me I think I am pretty strong then something happens to show me I am not up here but down here. You seem like a strong humble teacher, not saying you are like that. Life is a humbling experience, that is why we are here. To learn, to be humbled. I always say, never fall in love with your rank to students. I have seen a yellow belt defeat a brown belt in combat. Training only minimizes the chances of defeat and there is always someone out there better. Great video.
Seeing a lot of mention of gymnastics, there is an interview out there of Daniel Cormier sending some of his wrestling students to Dagestan to train with Khabib. He mentions that before the actual wrestling training start, the kids have at least 30 minutes of gymnastics excercises as a warm up of sorts. Guess it's an efficient 'all round' workout.
Or they're just doing stupid shit. Just because a region has generally good fighters doesn't mean all of their training decisions make sense. A 30 minute "warm up" that has nothing to do with your sport is what a lot of coaches do, simply because their coaches did it.
Wow that's cool, good video Grant! I say it's good practice to go against a variety of opponents in almost any sport/martial art. It's a good way of understanding yourself and good learning tool.
Great video! I've been doing BJJ for about 28 years and there absolutely ARE real outliers out there. Once in a while, you run into people who truly are just built different --It's really fascinating. Of course, there are also a lot of guys who have significant grappling experience and, for whatever reason, show up and pretend they don't. It's weird. All BJJ teachers run into that.
I brought my buddy to the gym. He’s a swimmer. He got triangle so many times by a few black belts yet nobody was able to tap him out. He never did any grappling. Small guy too.
Some people are just strong man. I do a form of traditional Japanese Jiujitsu now for a year and I got recently my yellow belt first after white and i do know some locks and takedowns but on some people wristlock just dont work man, my wrists are super weak and someone with double the wrist size of mine just rips it out man. But I say there is nothing wrong in doing any martial art that you enjoy, knowing something atleast give you some chance than knowing nothing at all. Even If i know only a hipthrow and nothing else that might come in handy in the future.
Knowing how to move your body is really the difference maker in BJJ if you ask me. Someone with a gymnastics background knows their body and how to manipulate their weight, so not a suprise at all.
Is there a reason why you didn't do a cross face when you were on the mounted position? Propably a self explaining question for most of you guys, but I'm just a 2 stripe white belt, so I don't know yet😅
Love this type of content. This is real academy life. You just never know someone’s background. Could be military, futbol, etc. we get so many people that have strengths I wouldn’t even think of. Have def had this happen. Have ppl that are training a month and can do a perfect armbar. I’m a purp and still working on it. It’s one thing I love about JJ but also frustrating 😅
I think it's super important to remember that we learn jits also for self defense...and by rolling with new folk who don't react with a jiu-jitsu framework is an important lesson.
According to GSP, if you want your son to be an elite fighter put him in gymnastics at an early age. I'm 100% sure that most female gymnasts would beat up your average guys. I think it's a combination of calisthenic/body weight strength, coordination, and flexibility. Gymnasts are on another level!
great video! so humble! this video proves that jiujitsu is so much more than static training. training these “techniques” live allows you to feel more and adapt. it also shows that when someone is new to jiujitsu they aren’t brainwashed into thinking places like closed guard is bad. if you’re on top and pining them flat on their back, how good is that position? they also have to problem solve with their own “technique” because they don’t “know” anything. interesting stuff!
I'm a purple belt training for over 7 years. I saw a new guy in class one night, went to roll with him, and since I didn't have my glasses on I thought he was a dorky younger nerdy kid with no athleticism... next thing I know this mfer cartwheel passes my guard, gets on my back and starts to sink in the rear naked. I'm think WTF IS GOING ON and scramble like it's ADCC finals to get outta there... I asked him after the roll if he wrestled, he said "no I trained gymnastics since I was a little kid." I WILL NEVER UNDERESTIMATE A GYMNAST EVER AGAIN!!!!! BEST BASE FOR ALL GRAPPLING! This kid picks up any and all grappling moves like it's nothing... gymnastics is a superpower.
The gymnastics background makes a lot of sense. It develops freakish strength and because of the way gymnasts train they do not get bulky at all, especially compared to the power they have.
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I give you credit for uploading this and talking about it. I think a lot of people would have burned this footage.
@@kovaji8212 gotta stay humble
i wouldn't say it like that he still trained his entire life and a portion of that is going to be transferable especially in a sport that values strength when it comes to the competitive aspect for all we now he could have train 5 days a week easily a thousand hours compared to a commercial blue belt only some days 200-300 hours a year and i think in the higher levels you can see a interconnective aspect of it all where strength does have it place
How many people have a black belt in the gym?
@ I’m the only one. We don’t have any brown belts either. Just a handful of purples, some blues and the rest whites
Guys that do gymnastics are wild. They are strong, flexible, and have a high level of body control
George Saint Pierre has been saying that Gymnasts are the most athletic athletes and that he wishes he started training with them sooner. Makes sense.
@BenWeeks-ca I was just about to comment that Firas Zahabi (GSP's coach) absolutely raves about gymnastics as an athletic base...
@@BenWeeks-ca It means you're putting a lot of time into learning stuff that's not fighting. Gymnasts also look very different from fighters.
I'm kinda laughing at me and my cousin. So I did Japanese Jujitsu as a teen for 3 years so I have some technical knowledge as BJJ came from Japanese Jujitsu, but no real experience in BJJ. Now, at 44 years of age...I've been doing calisthenics for 4 years specializing in gymnastics rings and essentially my core is what stops my blue belt cousin from subbing me. He's 45 and we grew up competitive in a fun way.
The shoulder strength is insane on the guys, they are deceptively strong.
I’m a purple belt (2 stripes) and had a trial who claimed no experience. He was a small, nerdy guy that was smaller and shorter than me. I was going to go light with him and I started playing guard. He immediately starts pinning my leg with ferocious strength and knee sliding to pass like a total pro. I recovered and then he immediately double unders me and starts to toss my legs to the side. I was honestly shocked because I was not expecting that and was playing light. I stepped it up a bit and tried to scissor sweep and he leapt up from both knees into a sprawl position and foiled it. I started going nearly all out and did manage to sweep him and get side control. I didn’t go for a submission because he was a trial. Afterwards I point blank told him he was lying about not training and that’s when he remembered that oh yeah was a D1 wrestler 4 years in college. I just looked at him and said, uh that counts, bro. 😂
I wrestled folk style for 5 years. It's all fun and games until I get to the ground and then I'm about as defenseless as a baby against a 1+ year BJJ student.
Thats funny man, right up until the last sentence as was like ''lair!'' Also, from your description, I would bet anything he also had a bit off bjj/grappling. Even wrestlers with wrestling only don't do great on day one. You're a purple, you were probably thinking the same.
@@dustinb1070 I'd be training about 18 months, paired with this guy to drill and asked if he'd like to spar after. Hadn't seen him before in the gym so asked if he was new. He says yes. Asked if he'd done any BJJ he said he'd had one lesson. I start the roll going easy. He proceeded to submit maybe 10 times in 5 minutes. I'm thinking what the fuck is going on??? I asked again to make sure I didn't misunderstand if he did any BJJ. he says no but he'd trained catch wrestling for 15 or so years. Guy was unbelievable lol
Your students are very lucky to have a teacher like you. A person who has the humility and vulnerability to acknowledge a deficiency is the strongest kind of person. Thanks for setting a great example to the community.
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look up Jorge Pereira. he teaches to be an absolute savage at all times. I never got even close to doing anything to that guy. there's levels.
I am a 46 year old brown belt and I get tap by a 16 year old blue belt. I am not ashamed of anything. The guy is good and he's going to be a phenom.
you got tapped by a YOUNG blue belt that fast?? either u were tired, injured etc. etc - or he is held back, way back!!!
13 years doing bjj and there’s nothing surprising about it. I’ve gotten tapped by blue belts as well. Me: 44 years old 200lbs. The blue belt: 21 years , 220lbs, wrestled through out high school.
That’s nothing to be ashamed of
I'm a purple belt and I've been struggling with this 14 year old kid who's been training forever ever since he hit a growth spurt and wrestled in middle school a couple years 😅
Or you’re just mediocre, just because he beat a noname brownbelt doesn’t mean he’s going to be a phenom
I run a school. I had two of these people over the years. One was a gymnast about my size. My experience was about the same as yours in this video. The other was a massive power lifter. I got in sidemount, but he was able to one arm bench my bodyweight over himself until he was holding me down in a one arm push-up position. No amount of technical ability was helping me control the second guy. Monsters do exist. The bigger guy wasn't mean or anything. I just tried to explain that he needed jiujitsu for the people out there equal to him in strength. He's a purple belt now.
Hahaha thts scary and awesome 😂
Yeah man, powerlifter strength is different than bodybuilder strenght, which I never had problems with. These are the people I hate(not really hate).......wrestlers, farmers, powerlifters, construction workers.
After rolling with a olympic swimmer once, im scared of anyone elite in a field with strong genetic barriers. NBA/nfl/swimming/gymnastics/runners, etc.
@@Iantrypsk surfers too. Very good cardio and balance.
Your humility as an instructor is awesome. Much respect for showing this, Grant.
as a judo coach that is learning jiujitsu, i am also familiar with these natural freaks that have such great body control,strength, ballance and awareness.. i hope he keeps at the sport. its an insructors wet dream to have such natural talent that you can help harness.
How are you a Judo coach learning JJ? BJJ is just Judo newaza, Judo is literally sportified Japanese JJ. Your post makes zero sense. You should already know every single choke submission etc they're doing in any BJJ academy.
Must be behind the times buddy yes bjj is derived from judo but newer age judo schools don't even teach ground Game anymore as you can't do them in competition bjj is purely grappling on the ground so while he teaches throws he learns bjj for ground work there's videos all around of judo vs jiu jitsu @horiturk333
@@horiturk333judo and jiujitsu are not the same.
In judo, when you pin your opponent, say in side control or mount or anything of the sort. If your opponent hooks one of your legs with their legs, the pin is considered broken. You have to pin for 20 seconds to win by way of pin. A lot of times, judokas give up their back and stay in a tight turtle position. The ref will stand both combatants back to the feet. So BJJ helps you in judo comp by allowing you to maximize your opportunities for advancing position, or getting a hasty submission. Ne-waza in judo can be stood up so quick.
In short, jiu-jitsu helps you make the most out short ne-waza spurts, as well as finishing off a Waz-ari which is a half point and reduces the pin time to win to 10 seconds. A perfect transition!
@@simplyfitness892you have no idea what you’re talking about, Judo is just a style of sportified Jiu Jitsu you can read that in Jigoro Kanos own writings. Jiu Jitsu is simply an umbrella term for many styles of unarmed combat that flourished in feudal Japan. Judo is to Jiu Jitsu as Kendo is to Kenjutsu. Every move in BJJ came from Mitsuyo Maeda, a direct student of Jigoro Kano who taught the Gracie’s in Brazil. Judo is quite literally JJ. All BJJ did was focus on newaza and the guard, it’s basically Judo without most of the stand up and without the throws.
50+ yr old black belt. 6 ft 215 pounds. We had a trial in our gym, nogi, he looks older than me white guy in his late 50s. No BJJ experience no wrestling. He's a good 6 inches and 40 pounds lighter than me. I let him get on top and it took me 5 minutes to sweep him, later I found out he did valle tudo for like 15 years so basically a retired MMA fighter. The point is we cant always tell if they had some kind of fighting experience/grappling experience. 2nd story. When I was a white belt many years ago, we had an early 20s guy come in and said he wrestled in college. But it was a gi trial, turns out he wrestled for Oklahome or Iowa a top D1 school, and our black belt coach basically couldnt get him off of him. Of course he could have submitted him, but that wasnt the drill. This guy first day of BJJ basically once he got on top was so hard to sweep, he wasn't even big like maybe 160 pounds but just his ability to scramble, balance, spin, was otherworldy. Last story. I was in Japan when I was a blue belt, and this old guy comes in early 60s maybe older, wearing a blue belt but everyone was whispering. Found out later he was an olympian back in the day, and even as a blue belt in his 60s nobody could submit him, not even the 20 something black belts that's amazing. Love your channel btw!
Wonderful stories, sir. Thank you for sharing and thank you for stopping by the channel
Awesome stories, very inspiring
Last story rocks.
Great stories. People act like its surprising but its really not, a lot of black belts come in for 2 hrs 3-5 times a week vs other hobbyists, a D1 wrestler is an elite full time athlete, theyve been training hard and competing since they were a kid against other elite, genetically predisposed athletes with strength & conditioning regimens. With all due respect to bjj black belts its not the same thing. Much less an olympian.
"belts only good for holding up pants" Miyagi
First degree BlackBelt and school owner here. While I give you credit for honesty; this is an incredibly dangerous “test” for someone doing a free trial. I personally know someone who did a trial at an MMA school and they held him down and told him to explode and escape. Explode was the appropriate word because he did just that..but as he went to Bridge up on his neck and shoulders and gave himself a hernia and fractured his neck. Grappling is too dangerous to give someone no instruction or context and then ask them to perform rigorous physicality under intimidating and pressured situations.
Every gymnast I’ve ever met was insanely strong. They also have developed a high level of body awareness and base that average people don’t have
To be fair, powerlifting and gymnastics is one of the best foundations
Nothing but Pure strength/mobility/flexibility and kinesthetic awareness in those
I could feel his potential it was crazy.
Powerlifting is not so good base for BJJ to be fair, there were some good lifters in our gym - nothing special, they are strong, but have very bad balance. But gymnastics is legit.
@@vyacheslava.6345 When you can combine physical strength plus technique? They both have an impact on results.
He may or may not be telling you everything he learned. If he stays long enough in your gym, you will learn more about him.. Many years ago I was a blue belt getting crushed by this 'new' person. A month later, he admitted he had a judo black belt. Another month, he said he also had a bjj blue belt. Finally, he said he was actually a 4th degree judo black belt in his country of origin. Thankfully, we had amazing purple belts who can smash him... He left our gym after less than a year.
People who do this are actually a joke lmao. I see it all the time. Brand new white belts with "no experience" or "just a couple months of experience 10 years ago" who come to the school who are doing obvious techniques. I turn it up to 10 on them to let them know that i see through their BS. It's literally like me going to Mexico, saying oh I only know a couple words in Mexican to the locals, and then having somewhat fluid conversations with all the locals. I don't understand why people do it; it's insanely cringe, these types aren't impressing the higher belts or the teacher/coach, and they end up just getting a target on their back.
You can tell typically how good someone is and how much experience they have really quickly into a roll. Like you might not know what belt they are but you know if someone has trained by the quality of their moments and their timing
@@user-nk3re4dj5h Maybe they're just being humble. So how's that cringe? The cringe alternative would be to say "I'm a 4th degree Judo Black belt in my country of origin and a BJJ blue belt", only to get smashed by purple belts. Also Mexican isn't a language, it's a Nationality. You're thinking about Spanish.
Sandbagging is cringe. Being dishonest is also cringe. If someone straight up asks you what experience you have, and you lie about it, all you're doing is making people feel like they suck.
A lot of times we get used to playing Jiu-Jitsu against people that know the game and regular people react randomly aggressively and chaotically so it can deff throw us off lol respect for the post, bro shit happens
Exactly. It sounds backwards but it’s almost easier to roll with someone who “knows Jiu Jitsu” at times. Gotta keep our skills ready for anything!
I'm glad you uploaded this video, It shares a really honest insight into the reality of grappling. It's something we all innately understand ln some level as humans and occasionally you'll run into somebody who's naturally good for one reason or another. This is a very realistic and honest upload of what can happen.
Kudos for talking about this man. I have been a HUGE proponent of getting your jiu jitsu to the level of being able to handle that strong, athletic and explosive new white belt. A strong background in sports, combined with a legit athlete is no joke. They are going to take you for a ride, and I never sleep on them. A 9 month white belt, or a good female blue belt isn’t going to be enough. A legit purple or higher is needed for that type of person IMO.
Appreciate the comment. He came in with a Pokémon water bottle and jewelry. I completely underestimated him 😂
@@gbogdanove Bahaha. Yeah man, you never know who you’re dealing with. Assume everyone is a killer until otherwise proven.
There's also different levels of "handling". Even if you're technically winning doesn't mean you're really dominant and would be safe in a self defense situation. I can typically "handle" new athletic guys in the sense that I'm winning, but I still end up stalled with a headlock that "doesn't work" or I have to wait for them to gas out. In a serious situation you probably want to win immediately and not in four minutes or sth.
Thanks for the video! I'm a blue belt at a high level gym and have won a tournament at white belt that had 17 competitors. I'm by no means good by black belt standards, but I'm decent. I typically beat most other blue belts, including larger guys, football players, or wrestlers. One time I rolled with an 18 year old who was about my weight and was on his trial class. I beat him every time but I was sooo exhausted by the end I was shocked. He said he did gymnastics for 10 years and plays soccer at a high level. His explosive strength, body awareness, flexibility, and movement creativity were all off the charts. There are definitely outliers out there in more than just size or traditional weight-lifting strength. And it also seems like gymnastics might be one of the best bases for jiu jitsu... Oss...
@@YuTubeAccount4 something about those gymnasts…
Thanks for the comment!
@@gbogdanoveI think it's the flexibility standard, stretches help you so much in most positions but gymnasts have legitimate strength going diagonal and upwards etc (I'm 2 months in to BJJ with 0sport experience feel free to disregard my opinion)
You're all using too much strength as gym owners/black belts. Use silent jiu jitsu. Be like water my friend and then you won't require strength. THAT is what jiu jitsu is about. Not this top alpha dog horse sh:t that some people mistakenly subscribe to.
Soccer would be crazy cardio. The legs would be way stronger than normal folks as they have to be explosive to sprint and catch the ball or charge in for a shot. Can imagine the bridging would be way tougher to manage. And for sure gymnastics are considered goat territory by gsp and that guy really knows his stuff.
@@oraclebjjyou need both, or you will be beaten by someone with both.
I’ve been training Jujitsu for over 25 years and I’ll still have new people come in that are just athletically inclined and have great coordination. They may have never taken a formal class anywhere but they have good body mechanics and I always tell people there’s a difference when you’re trying to hold down, new white belt because they act like they’re fighting for their lives so sometimes it takes a lot to control them. Good video. Thanks for the share.
Props for posting this. I find that what we do as 'BJJ people' is that we get used to people playing the BJJ game. I have experienced this very same thing in my gym numerous times. I now make a point of being the first one to do a similar thing as you with all new guys (Playing the escape game). Because this is real and their reactions are real. If you cannot use your technique against just raw physicality, then your BJJ is shit. I don't care how many trophies you have. I'v seen me be double inside bicep controlled from the guy i'm mounting and, as you are taught, swimming inside. But he just squashed both my arms into my sides and bridged me off. I've seen me have (as these guys come a few times) a full bow and arrow sunk in and feeling my fingers being pulled out their sockets because of how hard the guy is pulling his Gi open.. Unfortunately after a few weeks of training these guys lose that raw natural fighting instinct, which is a shame. But good of you to post this up. This is the reality of things. The instructors who are too arrogant to admit to this often make the excuse that "BJJ is to be used against untrained opponents". My argument is that nowadays.. there are NO untrained opponents. Everyone is lifting in the gym, doing martial arts, on steroids. They have watched UFC, they know what mount and back is. So thank you for posting this. We need more honesty like this in BJJ. Too many shit moves are being taught and sold to people for marketing. The art needs a return to reality like this.
This is an epic comment. Thank you for taking the time to write it. One thing you mentioned, about guys losing their physicality after a couple weeks of training, I have seen this a lot. At first the guys are really hard rolls, then they learn to be technical and relaxed and become easy rolls. It’s after the technique is acquired, if you can bring back that unbridled aggression, that you’re going to have a champion!
Wrong. Brute strength IS the untrained behaviour. Most people do not know what mount or back is, but yes, they do lift.
@massivojohnson spot on - people are far more familiar with mma techniques now as opposed to 25-30 years ago, pre- Gracies, pre- RUclips ..Everyone’s been
exposed to everything in varying degrees & has some,even minimal, experience. Martial arts, BJJ , judo etc don’t render any of us as somehow “invincible! “
Street guys who’ve been fighting to survive their whole lives, freak athletes with amazing
natural attributes, even a lucky drunk with a good sucker punch can ALL pose a threat vs a trained opponent. We have to be realistic.
Very true. I’m visiting a no gi school that is heavy into competition and MMA. I’m a 43 year old purple belt and these guys and gals go all out and go for the kill every round. Tbh I’m just trying to not get injured. Probably won’t come back after my 2 week visit is up lol
You raised a good point . I have never trained in boxing formally but I spent hours doing boxing footwarks and creating angle and building a mindset that allow me to throw a chain on punches instead of one big punch. And I lift . I may not be beating any boxer or kickboxer but against untrained striker I can certainly whip out some boxing moves.
Thanks for posting. I’m a 50 YO mid blue belt. I had a very similar experience and def drove home disheartened. Just me and a brand new whitebelt in the class. I started on bottom half and expected pressure. He immediately stood up and wildly passed my guard. I was in self preservation mode as this felt like a street fight. I subbed him with a shitty guillotine (felt lucky as he was escaping). Then got a deep Kimura and stopped as I thought I was going to break his arm. He was confused as to why I stopped. Then he passed and mauled me in mount. I tapped to pressure on my neck. I was gassed! One five minute roll! Anyways. Thanks again as this helped me cope 😂🤙🤙
@@crzabjj I like to remember that I’m not there to be better than others but to be better than myself yesterday. Props to not breaking the arm as well. Thanks for commenting!
Thanks for this. In my opinion this is the best simulation for a self-defense situation. An untrained individual won’t use Jiu-Jitsu and that alone can be distracting enough to lose the fight.
Thanks for the honesty. It is well respected. Today I submitted a man 20 years younger, one belt higher, and 25lbs heavier.
The rest of the story is he submitted me three times in our 15 min roll. I was pleased with the roll. There’s always something to be learned.
Bro, thank you for posting this. I don’t know of anyone, especially an experienced Black Belt, who would show this to the public. Being humble is a staple of a solid instructor, and you’ve got it in spades. I wish you much success and that trial student needs to be poached and signed immediately.
Appreciate the comment! He actually contacted us today and joined the gym! I’m excited!
I’ve explained Jiu Jitsu to people as “high school wrestling with arm-twisting and chokeholds while wearing karate clothes”.
That helps people realize that size/strength and age/speed also factor into rolling.
As black belt coaches, we ALL get humbled from time to time. Never underestimate anyone. At least your honest. Kudos to you for sharing your experience. Stay humble!
So nice to hear how humble you are. No bravado. Just saying how tuff the young man was. Thanks for sharing the story.
Brown belt here 44 years old and been training for about 10 years. We have a new guy young 24 6'3 firefighter. Since he is slimmer than me and new I thought great let me let him work. OMG. Dude was superhero strong just absolutely smashed me LOL. I was humbled as well but I had to put my pride in check and learn a valuable lesson. Never under estimate your opponent and always respect the grind. Anyone willing to start a combat sport is already a unique person. Thank you for sharing and being a great example of a black belt! Osss
I wish there were more black belt confession videos like this. Appreciate the humility and transparency. Please make more of these videos. Just shared and subscribed thanks! 🤙
i'm a blackbelt myself. had a new student that was weighing like 65kg? tops. super nerd looking. the guy had INSANE strength and ballance. i have fought 120kg guys i can do whatever. some ppl are naturaly gifted. and that's cool. as a black belt your blessing is to create athletes better than you.
That is my goal!
Big credit to you for posting this!! Honestly though, It didnt look like you had any problem with him at all haha. But nevertheless. I am a gym owner. I am a recently awarded black belt, I am 39 years old and quite small with my 150 pounds and my biggest fear is these guys to be honest. I have a couple of 230 pounds bluebelts/purplebelts that I simply cannot get out from any more, once they get on top mount/sidemount. But thats okey, they been training with me for 4-5 years.
However I had an experience with a new whitebelt a couple years back that really tested me during our very first sparring. I had never met him before, he was a little bit bigger and he was actually quite a bit older than me maybe 45-50 years. To this day I have no idea about his background, but I thought I would go easy on him. He told me he had been to 2 or 3 classes with the other coach. He immediately jumps on me before I had a chance to think and he grabs on hard and by pure coincidence he caught me in a weird kind of armtriangle that he would just NOT let go of! I spent a good 2 or 2 and a half minutes trying really hard to get out and felt myself being stuck in a really akward position, and then I realised I would just have to slow it down and wait him out because I was about to go into panick.. I finally got lose, swept him and subbed him, and unfortunately I probably put too much strength into that armbar as he scream-tapped. I subbed him a couple times more via chokes, and he walked out of the gym never to be seen again. I told him straight up he was very very close to subbing me actually
The Gracie mount escape has a psychological trickery . When you watch them they actually place the persons hands on their chest . And say something along the lines of okay I want you to hold me down. Keep pushing me and hold me down your friends are coming. You’re a big strong guy hold me down and they keep the hands on the chest. This sets them up to try to hold them down by pushing on the chest which allows a trap and roll. Causing them to easily escape.
This is every whitebelts dream, lol. Major props for making this vid and posting the footage. Makes you seem like a very humble guy.
You're a humble man, Grant. Thank you for sharing.
Here is what I learned from years of rolling. Belts don't mean a thing. A white belt could have years of rolling just not in one gym, so they never stay long enough to be promoted.
Many guys come to our gym and say they have no experience, but you can tell within 10 seconds they have rolled before and a lot. This is how they get their jollies. I don't underestimate anybody. Using internet a bunch of guys can get together and roll on the grass, it's not formal learning but its learning. I had a guy who said he was a beginner trying a mounted triangle on me, please stop trying to trick me just to get a tap. Also if you get really good strength is not an issue.
@@BOBBOB-tx7ox I could do a video about my experiences on this too. If someone comes in to my gym wanting to join I want to build trust with them and lying about previous experience is a pretty bad way to start
I'm a beginner and I attempt mounted triangles. You act as if there's some sort of fixed bjj curriculum. Different coaches teach different stuff.
@@MrCmon113 I am a firm believer that there should be a fixed curriculum because it speeds learning. When you build a house you start with the foundation up not the roof down.
i learned mount triangles in my second week. Is that not a beginner technique? didn't seem particularly difficult
@@gbogdanoveit could also be that they have some experience but they don't think they don't know any BJJ, who wants to go into a new place and be like yeah I have all this experience and still look bad at it/not be good. I have military background (very basic martial arts though) I never know how to respond when I trial at gyms because I have some experience, but I don't want to mention I was in the military have them think I'm going to be a badass, but in reality not know much. And know nothing about BJJ. I usually don't mention it.
Huge props to you (and your gym) for telling it like it is/was. 🙌
Thanks for sharing this. Takes courage to admit vulnerability
Love this video, trial class guys have gone up by 1000% nationwide now. This is amazing for jiu jitsu, thank you for putting this up and I hope it gets the attention it deserves.
NEVER sleep on a gymnast. Their tendons are made of steel. American olympic gymnast Jake Dalton is already a purple belt. They have a strong base just like a wrestler.
Some people are naturally super strong, or blessed with exceptional physical attributes. The techniques are usually designed to deal with the average person, and when those attributes reach such a high level, techniques may not work anymore.
@@ilyassnejjar6195 100% accurate
No, they're designed to deal with anything that has an approximately human bodyshape. You don't need much training to beat the average person.
The average guy is overweight and can't do a pull up the techniques works on a way higher level guy but not the top tier athletes
Thanks for posting this. Very insightful and honestly your attitude is the kind of attitude I look for as a student in a coach.
Awesome video. Love the honesty and humility. I think there's a lot of experiences like this if we're to be honest. I know I have mine. You're obviously a great instructor with some very lucky students
Great story and storytelling. Fred is a beast lol
Grant this was a great video! Thank you for sharing. I am a white belt and love to see this, very motivating
Earned a follower. I don’t know anyone who would post this up. This is great stuff.
It’s really hard to match the intensity of a brand new guy because he is literally fighting AS HARD AS HE CAN, something you’ve trained out of yourself
Had an older white belt student that I was using to illustrate grips once. I usually have super good grips and grip breaks, and I could not move even his pinky finger!!! It was the strongest grip I’ve ever felt. Come to find out he was a retired military mechanic and had decades of built up old man strength. 😅 Very humbling…
True humility & realism. Excellent post. The only promise of martial
arts is increasing the odds of survival, not invincibility.
I’m around 200 pounds, did powerlifting for over four years with no steroids, and swam competitively from ages 9 to 16. It took me over two years to learn the 'gentle art' aspect of jiujitsu, which has been, by far, one of the hardest sports for me. The grit I developed from swimming and powerlifting competitions helped me a lot but also hindered my ability to learn the techniques and intricacies of the art.
I've had maybe 2-3 guys in 24 years do that to me. Its humbling. When he is holding your arms down I teach the "snow angel" escape.
Firstly, awesome that you actually shared this! This is usually the kind of stuff people try to bury as deeply as possible
I once had a veeery similar situation I also managed to just about hold and sweep him (to be fair I didn’t give myself a time limit though)
But I could tell buddy wasn’t too impressed so I spontaneously introduced „Round 2“ and said „Now with punches!“ I instructed both of us to fake punches, to wind up and stop (he was a kickboxing guy, which helped) with the punches I managed to control him and sweep him rather easily , turning it into a lesson how control is far more important and how you can weaponise the other‘s aggression - thank god I did, because I felt he was ready to walk out and tell all of his friends how Jiu-Jitsu doesn’t work.. So, close call on that one 😅
I train at a big gym and we get new guys like the guy you described at least once every few months. staying on top of a strong, explosive athletic guy like that is not easy, especially if you're in "demonstration" mode and they don't realize that spazzing into a position that gives up their back is even worse for them. However for the second part of the demo you described, when you're on bottom, I've found that arm drag sequences work very well (wether it's arm drag to sweep or arm drag to back take and just flatten him out face down). There's something about the arm drag where even someone with good natural instincts / body awareness (but no grappling experience) doesn't worry about until it's too late.
I will definitely try it next time
You are a powerful soul, and such a beautiful heart, thank you for sharing this 🙏
A lot of BJJ places underemphasize how important strength is, as if skill can get you out of any situation. I remember when I started at my first gym they made a point of having me roll with someone I had 6 inches and 50 lbs on to show me that it was really about skill and I easily dominated this poor guy. He was a blue belt. I ended up leaving the gym after one more lesson because I couldn't take a place that delusional seriously. Glad you put this video out here because bullshido is definitely still alive in the BJJ community. Strength and size are and always will be the most important factors in a violent confrontation, sans weapons.
Your students are so lucky to have you..
Most won’t load this.. you are destined for even better than most
Respect for sharing this!!!
Controlling new guys is a skill in itself. Something people rarely think about. When you expect JiuJitsu responses and they give random ones it catches you out, this is why I love rolling with new guys. I think it's helpful.
No matter what someone can do when they start, after a few years of proper training they will be orders of magnitude more capable than when they first walked in the door. Hope he sticks with it. Thanks for sharing the story.
Powerlifting and gymnastics does sound like a really strong guy
So no, framing on the neck? Or cross face while in mount?
Some people are just built different. I rolled with a brand new 19 year old Egyptian guy at my gym, and he absolutely smashed me. Threw me around… I had no idea he was as big, strong and athletic as he was, when wearing a gi. Humbling
Its never a good idea to underestimate an untrained individual. Nobody is immune to a can of whoop ass.
unexpected but good bases for grappling i have learned over the years- skate boarding, surfing, gymnastics, powerlifting, body building, strong man, cross fit. anything that requires you to have a strong base and strong core and use of full body movements. it makes a significant difference.
almost forgot breakdancing lol
Respect Sir for being humble and showing the video. You have a full understanding of Budo. Well done
Great honesty and humbleness
This is the Best BJJ video i have seen. Let me explain. I am a Black Belt 2nd Dan in a multi-style martial art (Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Wrestling, Kick Boxing). I also have a Black belt in another Striking Martial Art.
What BJJ instructors and RUclips video say is a Blue belt should beat a White Belt, a Purple should always beat a Blue belt etc.
OK, so sometimes new people come to class or join as students with no or very little Martial Arts training. You start to roll with them and you are like Jesus, this guy is a nightmare!
What happens is, some people are very strong and naturally athletic. They are also 'naturally good fighters'. The next thing is; they don't conform to the typical movements and patterns you normally roll against as they are just making it up as they go along and do things that are unexpected.
Eventually the trained fighter wins, but, it goes to show that some people are just tough as hell without the Martial Arts. especially if they have done some other explosive sports like Gymnastics or Power Lifting. Climbers are usually really good grapplers without any training due to grip strength and conditioning for climbing.
Dont get it into your head, that BJJ ranking means that just because you have a Brown Belt or Black Belt you are will always cruise through new students, and some super strong or athletic guy can come and make your life very difficult.
Being the instructor doesn't mean being the strongest competitor. That's something you start learning when aging :°D Kudos for showing the videos and explain your thoughts! Happy training with this new super good mate!
thank you for sharing this experience, it requires vulnerability
Nice one bro, props for posting this, a true black belt, ossssss
i started training Jiu Jitsu in 1999 at the age of 14 yo. The first thing I was told is always assume your opponent is bigger, stronger and faster than you. It's a rule not taught anymore. I still keep it in mind and over my 25 years of training have met plenty of athletic freaks who have zero experience but just are gifted with explosive power and good instincts. Its good to experience because we as BJJ practitioners get use to the controlled technical rolls we have with our training partners, however in a street fight self defense encounter there is an element of unpredictability and violence of action and speed that a lot of times training in a room full of BJJ technicians cant prepare you for. so again always assume your opponent is bigger stronger and faster than you.
As a current powerlifter that has played and done everything from baseball to skateboarding to striking martial arts, this video actually gives me great hope that i won't get completely squashed my 1st time
Thank you for sharing this!
It shouldn’t surprise anybody, that strength and size and a decent training regiment in any martial art will give you an upstart on training Jiu Jitsu.
this is a super cool and rare video. Very great topic and hope you can come up with more original ideas like this.
I was routinely destroying high belts when I first started a year ago. It’s probably because I’m 6’2 240 and a powerlifter. And it was all the guys who said “strength and size don’t matter”…
Appreciate your honesty. 👏🏼
Sometimes the crazy strong guys off of the street are the toughest roles. Our coach always made us roll with them as blue belts.
Hahaha great story! Had a similar story with a Pro Bull Rider. Unbelievable control from mount! You’re a great guy for doing what you do🙏👊🏼❤️
My youngest daughter (10 yrs old) has trained jiujitsu for four years and has done competitive gymnastics for five years. I have seen her have a better body awareness and athleticism than the average student. She’s also incredibly strong for her size. I encourage visiting a competitive gymnastics academy and watch how hard their athletes train.
Yeah as a practitioner it always always happens to me I think I am pretty strong then something happens to show me I am not up here but down here. You seem like a strong humble teacher, not saying you are like that. Life is a humbling experience, that is why we are here. To learn, to be humbled. I always say, never fall in love with your rank to students. I have seen a yellow belt defeat a brown belt in combat. Training only minimizes the chances of defeat and there is always someone out there better. Great video.
Seeing a lot of mention of gymnastics, there is an interview out there of Daniel Cormier sending some of his wrestling students to Dagestan to train with Khabib.
He mentions that before the actual wrestling training start, the kids have at least 30 minutes of gymnastics excercises as a warm up of sorts.
Guess it's an efficient 'all round' workout.
Or they're just doing stupid shit.
Just because a region has generally good fighters doesn't mean all of their training decisions make sense.
A 30 minute "warm up" that has nothing to do with your sport is what a lot of coaches do, simply because their coaches did it.
@@MrCmon113lmao I love when people who barely know anything about the sport chime in and question world champions
Respect. I love it when high-level practitioners keep it real
The power of task driven training, gave the guy a task and he did very well without learning technique
I did gymnastics from 4-14 it helped me with every sport after. Kids gonna be a beast!
Wow that's cool, good video Grant! I say it's good practice to go against a variety of opponents in almost any sport/martial art. It's a good way of understanding yourself and good learning tool.
Great video! I've been doing BJJ for about 28 years and there absolutely ARE real outliers out there. Once in a while, you run into people who truly are just built different --It's really fascinating. Of course, there are also a lot of guys who have significant grappling experience and, for whatever reason, show up and pretend they don't. It's weird. All BJJ teachers run into that.
You are cool! This is such a positive environment for learning.
I brought my buddy to the gym. He’s a swimmer. He got triangle so many times by a few black belts yet nobody was able to tap him out. He never did any grappling. Small guy too.
Some people are just strong man. I do a form of traditional Japanese Jiujitsu now for a year and I got recently my yellow belt first after white and i do know some locks and takedowns but on some people wristlock just dont work man, my wrists are super weak and someone with double the wrist size of mine just rips it out man. But I say there is nothing wrong in doing any martial art that you enjoy, knowing something atleast give you some chance than knowing nothing at all. Even If i know only a hipthrow and nothing else that might come in handy in the future.
Knowing how to move your body is really the difference maker in BJJ if you ask me. Someone with a gymnastics background knows their body and how to manipulate their weight, so not a suprise at all.
My niece was a very good gymnast, I want her to do bjj. Very humble of you to show this footage and describe what happened.
Gymnastics and powerlifting, what an awesome foundation for athletics. Id guess he'd be ahead of the curve in most any sport with that background.
Is there a reason why you didn't do a cross face when you were on the mounted position? Propably a self explaining question for most of you guys, but I'm just a 2 stripe white belt, so I don't know yet😅
Did not want to make him uncomfortable because he hadn’t joined the gym yet. He actually joined today so I will ratchet up the physicality a bit
@@gbogdanove respectful move, i appreciate it!
Love this type of content. This is real academy life. You just never know someone’s background. Could be military, futbol, etc. we get so many people that have strengths I wouldn’t even think of. Have def had this happen. Have ppl that are training a month and can do a perfect armbar. I’m a purp and still working on it. It’s one thing I love about JJ but also frustrating 😅
It’s one of the things we live with. It keeps things spicy 😂
Guys who did serious gymnastics 5-15 are freaks. First time I rolled with one I couldn't believe how well they moved as white belts.
Why didn’t you have any underhooks or head control in Mount?
I think it's super important to remember that we learn jits also for self defense...and by rolling with new folk who don't react with a jiu-jitsu framework is an important lesson.
According to GSP, if you want your son to be an elite fighter put him in gymnastics at an early age. I'm 100% sure that most female gymnasts would beat up your average guys. I think it's a combination of calisthenic/body weight strength, coordination, and flexibility. Gymnasts are on another level!
great video! so humble! this video proves that jiujitsu is so much more than static training. training these “techniques” live allows you to feel more and adapt. it also shows that when someone is new to jiujitsu they aren’t brainwashed into thinking places like closed guard is bad. if you’re on top and pining them flat on their back, how good is that position? they also have to problem solve with their own “technique” because they don’t “know” anything. interesting stuff!
I'm a purple belt training for over 7 years. I saw a new guy in class one night, went to roll with him, and since I didn't have my glasses on I thought he was a dorky younger nerdy kid with no athleticism... next thing I know this mfer cartwheel passes my guard, gets on my back and starts to sink in the rear naked. I'm think WTF IS GOING ON and scramble like it's ADCC finals to get outta there... I asked him after the roll if he wrestled, he said "no I trained gymnastics since I was a little kid." I WILL NEVER UNDERESTIMATE A GYMNAST EVER AGAIN!!!!! BEST BASE FOR ALL GRAPPLING! This kid picks up any and all grappling moves like it's nothing... gymnastics is a superpower.
The gymnastics background makes a lot of sense. It develops freakish strength and because of the way gymnasts train they do not get bulky at all, especially compared to the power they have.