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Why The Aptera Will Be The Ultimate Road Tripping EV
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The Aptera will be a pretty effective road tripping EV. I can't wait to get my Launch Edition Aptera and take it on a cross-country adventure and put it to the test! Its peak charging speed isn't that great, but it makes up for it with a long range, incredible cargo space, the ability to DCFC with both Tesla Superchargers and CCS (with an adapter), and--most importantly--be the cheapest EV on the road when it comes to cost per mile!
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Nice video, Mike. I too am looking forward to roadtripping in my Aptera, and the way things are looking, I'll be getting mine around when I am planning to retire in Q3 2025!
I'm in Canada, so mine will probably be quite delayed :(
@@MikeInTheWoodsI am also in Canada but plan on flying down to Carlstad, California to pick it up and drive it back to Winnipeg Manitoba.
@@andremcamara3120 Ditto - San Diego to Vancouver BC
You used the original spec for top speed - most recently released is 101mph (162kph), but that was with the understanding of hub motors. With an unknown drivetrain at this time, and not knowing the status of AWD (which is what I need), it’s anybody’s guess what the new specs will be. But I agree that it should be a great road-tripper!
@michaelmay9958 Yeah so much is changing in the fine tuning
The aerodynamics and solar are the key features to me, and they're not changing.
@@netscrooge Fingers crossed regarding maxeon. They are on the edge of bankruptcy. Other cells are possible. Who knows if Aptera has a plan for backup vendors and an engineered solution for it if they lose maxeon.
It's going to be really depressing if Aptera fails not because of their own hand, but because multiple suppliers have crapped the bed
I was also surprised by the lasr minute change in the drivetrain, but I am supportive as long as it gets Aptera to production. While I was excited about the In-wheel motors there does seem to be more issues with this system as it is less tested and Aptera can't afford issues with supplychain or reliability.
Looking forward to their clarification on that, because that's the biggest open question right now
New drive train, new motor location, redistribution of weights, probably need new suspension settings, and new sytems for torque vectoring and safety testing, all this means more work and delays unless they have had all these worked out already, which is possible cause they have obviously designed a space for inboard motors from the beginning. Was the original early 2010s aptera designed with inboard motors?
Not so last minute. Check the February Update at 4:30, Steve Fambro appears to be as transparent as possible about this issue FIVE months ago. Last months webinar also revealed that the powertrain is 100% locked down for production.
@@barnabasseadog7660thank you for time marking. I invested and I’ve been “moving” cross country from Feb till basically last week and am now in a per member place so I haven’t been keeping up with updates and when he mentioned the drive train at the beginning I was really surprised . I jsu happen to be 30 min early to a dentist appointment and was looking for updates
102 km/hr and we are still waiting on new drivetrain info which could change this again. Still crossing fingers they get AWD sorted soon.
Yeah I'm not going to be impressed if they drop AWD for the Launch Edition
@@MikeInTheWoods Chris's statements and general consensus is it is pretty much certain. Maybe they will still keep the acceleration / vectoring and if the e-axels are induction motors it could make everything more efficient when the iwm rear is added since they could be 1wd when speed and traction are non-issues. IWM was a technical and supply risk so changing is not inherently bad.
@@MikeInTheWoods Safe to say no awd without hub motors.
In snow I think ground clearance may be a bigger issue than traction. That's the case in my awd car. Studded snows on a front weighted Aptera with traction control ought to work pretty well.
I grew up with way worse.
@@ccibinel Due to NDAs, Chris hasn't been able to reveal what will happen yet. I think we all should be patient before thinking we know what the end result will be regarding the LE vehicle design features. I think this will become clear fairly soon.
@@n.brucenelson5920I did a search and found an off the shelf GKN torque vectoring drivetrain for small cars. We'll see, I'm just guessing here..
But I'd be happy enough with something like that for now.
I’m going to wait and see how they hold up after a few years of hopefull production. I’m sure there will be people posting about them on RUclips. I’m also waiting to see what Toyota is going to do with the ft-se concept. If they will make it to production or not.
I do believe the launch edition Aptera will also have longer range than your model 3 so it should require fewer stops on a similar 3500km journey (time=money)
400 miles vs 272, yeah
1:15 The charging speed doesn’t really concern me. If it takes longer, I’ll go eat lunch and take my time. Coming from a first Gen LEAF, anything is faster.
I would love an Aptera with 300 miles range, 10mi/kwh, and 50kw charging. But I don’t want to get Fiskered.
I personally think it's night and day. They've been consulting with Munro for manufacturing a lot
You don’t miss lunches 😮
I'm in Colorado....maybe I can road trip up there!? ;-)
Aptera's efficiency has never been tested.
The Tesla exists. The Aptera is a hypothetical.
Do you think they're going to reach production? The most recent launch date is mid 2025 which does not look feasible considering that they haven't even built the PI units yet and they haven't announced what motors they're going to use.
As large as a model 3 but only 2 seats. All that space for cargo but there's a weight limit due to the instability of a high mass in a 3 wheel vehicle. It's also wider than standard cars.
At the same stage in corporate history, Tesla had been in much worse financial condition with a vehicle with a far smaller market. They came within an hour of bankruptcy. What saved them was their work in providing Daimler with the battery packs for the EV version of the Smart Car.
At this point in time, Aptera is also working as a supplier for 3rd parties, and has not been shipping defective vehicles. We don't know how things will end up, but Aptera has much more reason to think they will be successful than Tesla did.
I got money on the table that says I get my Accelerator Launch Edition sometime in 2025. That timeline is still in play.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Not sure the folks that repeat this understand how depressing a 15 year old lottery ticket anecdote is against the number of EV startups that have failed.
@@j87d9d9d9 First of all, Aptera Motors Corp was founded in 2019 as a new company with a new product. Unfortunately few vehicles have been designed for efficiency as a primary goal. I am still driving one - a 2001 Gen 1 Honda Insight. Many of us investing in Aptera are not doing so because we think we will get rich, but because we understand how important improving the efficiency of our transportation is.
And having ridden in a prototype, I also know they are FUN!
I'd really love a vehicle that can have a slow charger built into the roof. That's when a road trip means you won't run out if charge. Considering the Apterra has plenty of room for it it'll be able to fold out "wings". With the specs in mind, a lightweight car that can get you here and there it'll be good. I won't say "better". In my opinion Tesla's are the iPhone of electric cars, where they're a big brand but not everyone follows those. Some prefer android or windows instead of a self sabotaging device that won't last a year.
For the Apterra, given its a smart vehicle it'll protect itself without need for constant online adjustments. I'd really like an offline vehicle.
Ssy "kilo": Kilo
Now say "Meter": Meter
Now say "Kilometer": Kill-ahh-met-erh.
Are they no longer using the elaphe motors?
Nope, word on the street is that it will now be a traditional electric motor and not be AWD; but that's still left to be officially answered within the next month hopefully
Have you seen the hard seats? You won't be road tripping in those.
I try to follow aptera reasonably closely, and what I find is very discouredging, that they dont even look close to having a buidable prototype ready any time soon, some simple calculations I did recently using a video that shows the data when driving, shows that solar alone is going to be way lower than they say. They are very loose with the 'truth' and have found themselves again on a nice little money spinner even without producing anything apart from various prototypes of similar vehicles,
I'm betting that no-one will ever see an aptera in their driveway, I think they have an amazing opportunity to do it, but are squandering away the raised money and really seem not to be taking the building endeavour seriously, way to slow to ever have a chance of production.
What a bizarre thing to say. As if buying tooling is squandering funds. Where are you getting your information?
They've never released any consumption or solar charging data. I'd be surprised if they manage to gain 8 miles per day from solar charging.
@@netscrooge youtube and sec filings and articles
@@dsds3968 Motortrend figures that a Prius with the solar roof option gets up to 3.2 miles/day from its 185 watt max panel. Saying that an Aptera, which is much lighter and more aerodynamic, will only be able to get little more than twice that from a 700 watt system is ignorant.
Based on the results from the Prius, even using very conservative factors, the Aptera should at least double your estimate. Even 16 miles/day would provide thousands of miles per year of solar-powered driving, and provide a significant portion of the average miles/year driven. Do you guys work for an oil company?
I think they are doing their homework to get it right the first time. Or close anyway..
Laughable.
I appreciate your long & well thought-out explanation as to why you disagree with me, thank you for your amazing insight
You do realize that video of Chris M attaching the supercharger was completely pointless as Aptera is not certified to use Supercharger network nor have they ever shown any Aptera charging off a DC Fast charger. They have actually not shown that plug on the back of the Gamma is active.
They are using the NACS standard, which will be compatible with V3 superchargers and newer. If you bothered to pay attention to my video, I explicitly state in my video "Superchargers that support it."
Since the Aptera will charge between 40kw and 60kw Tesla Superchargers don't provide any added benefit. Where I am at in Oregon I don't think I've encountered a Tesla Supercharger in the last year in my travels. The last time that I checked, the nearest one is 19 miles from my home. I wouldn't go out of my way to charge at one. I'll just use a CCS adapter at non-Tesla chargers
Old specs, old design features...what substance are you smoking?
I get that some specs might have changed that I missed, but what design features changed?
*Tripping* EV? Seriously? Don't destroy English.
@@DonnieChoi Unpossible.
Of course it will be great for a road trip if you have only two people and minimal luggage. Let's be honest, it's just not a very practical vehicle. It's the sort of car that everyone says they'd like to buy, but actually never would.
We'll have to agree to disagree
Aptera hasn't figured out drive motors yet for production. Should have a few months of production sitting ready for assembly. This company is a cash grab. Will never produce a car for sale.
Companies engaged in a "cash grab" aren't putting their funds into production tooling, parts, and IP.
They have figured out the motors, they just haven't announced details yet. Assembly isn't starting until early next year, so it's a bit early to have months of production parts sitting around. They'll make it, don't worry.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Bruce is completely correct. While the naysayers continue on with their incessant trolling, we investors/believers just wait for the various technical pieces to enable us to understand what our LE vehicles will be like and how they'll differ from the earlier projections. Novak, Aptera managemnt has already told us that they've completely sourced and done much (if not all) of the testing of the replacement drive train--they're just waiting to release that info based on the current need for confidentiality--only they know what that means.