Growing, Curing and Fermenting Tobacco Part II
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2018
- Day 40 through 90. This was our first year planting and curing tobacco. We learned a lot of lessons. Next year I'm going to grow them under landscape fabric to keep out the tobacco moths, plus, we will space the leaves out more in the barn to allow for more air flow in between them.
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I think that the issues you were having with the uneven initial drying was caused by a couple of things.
1. The leaves were harvested too early. It's best to leave the leaves on the plant until they turn yellow. The yellowing will start with the bottom leaves and work it's way towards the top. This might take a week or two. Go out once a day and harvest only the yellow leaves.
2. Don't put more than 8-10 leaves in a bundle. Make sure the underside of the leaves faces the outside of the bundle. This is VERY important and will help the stems to dry out quicker. You also want to stagger the leaves when you bundle the up and not place them directly on top of each other. Otherwise air can't get to the leaves in the middle of the bundle.
If you imagine placing the first leaf in the bundle at 12 o'clock and the second leaf at 6 o'clock with the over-side of the leaves facing towards the center and the underside facing away from the center. The third leaf is placed at 3 o'clock and the fourth at 9 o'clock. The fifth leaf is placed half past one and the next half past 7 and so on. This will enable good air circulation between the leaves so they dry more evenly...
I have found that this method, by far, works the best for me.
Thanks for the tips
Good info!
Just read on a sight they used sevin spray on their tobacco,this was a place that Sold seeds and such,guess the sevin can be washed off...
Bro thank you for this informative video. Your voice is very easy to listen to as well. Stay blessed brother 👍
The rocky patel tour is incredible.
A couple of things:
1. Don't go and harvest all your leaf too early just because of damn jobucks.
2. The way to keep up with jobucks is pick the bastards off, as small as possible. There will be more. Pick them off too.
3. Keep every leaf. It's all good for pipe tobacco, no matter how chewed up it is.
4. Don't worry about leaf that dries too crinkly. You can bring it back into case with a spray of water and a little time and it will be supple again.
This content was very informative. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to seeing more insightful videos.
Thanks for your video. No hornworms on my tobacco but I do fight slugs. I misted them with permethrin when young. The Rocky Patel tobacco farm tour video is the best one.
You should make one more video from the fermetation to the rolling of a cigar.
Tobacco Hornworms are my garden’s hide & seek world champions.
Try attracting wasps so they can handle the hornworms 🤷 I guess it's just be nice when you go around the wasps
Use jute twine to tie up your garden items. It composts well and isn’t plastic trash for the ocean. Resist the urge to follow all these folks who use single use zip ties and crappy trash solutions for farming techniques.
Agreed 👍 good comment
Had huge hornworm issue in Texas as well this year!!
Keeping basil plants next to tomato plants works very well at keeping the horn worms away. I imagine it’ll work just as good for tobacco as well. Tfs this video. This will be my first year growing it. 👍🏻👍🏻
How did it go??
@@556andy Thanks for asking. They did very well!
@@skittlesskittles7577 awesome! do you mind guiding me ?? I received my tobacco seeds today and i wanna start growing them but i have no idea what or how to grow them
@@556andy awesome! I don’t mind at all. I grew mine in raised beds. They do like nitrogen but I used Jobes organic granular fertilizer as a side dressing. The horn worms do love tobacco so planting basil near them is great. Even if you plant the basil in pots and keep it as close as possible without crowding touching the Tobacco leaves at all.
I did start them indoors and they were somewhat slow at first but once they were around 2-3 inches tall they started growing fast. Not too much water especially when starting them. Keep them lightly moist. I can’t remember the spacing but I would think at least 12” apart because they do get some really big leaves. When you’re handling the leaves make sure to wear gloves because your skin it will absorb.
When your leaves are mostly yellow you know it’s time to harvest. I stacked my leaves on top of each other and put on a wire rack under a fan and rotated once or twice a day depending on how well they were drying.
I didn’t grow a lot of it that time because I wanted to learn the plant first. We’ve since moved and I’m building my garden now so it will be spring next year before I put seeds in again.
@@skittlesskittles7577 thank you a lot and about the indoor growing does that mean under lights? Or just by a window i was planning on growing them under 2 trees where shade is available but im not sure if I would have to cover the pot with wrap for humidity? Would be best that way?
I had Hornworms soo big, I rode them around the garden.
I rode mine into battle
Very cool video this is my 3rd year of growing but my first yr of topping and curing
I am using 20" pots and they have endured all storms but they r sheltered from our NWs n SWs I noticed I was getting day wilt in our heat and humidity which led me to over water at one point I'm using straight pro mix which may have a bit too much water retention ✌️✌️ I use an oil soap spray for aphids n such so maybe that worked for me
Thankyou for the video it was really interesting
Save your old cigarette butts, put them in a jar, add water and soak overnight. Drain the liquid and put it into a spray bottle. Spray your tobacco if you have an infestation, and this should take care of most troublesome pests.
I just planted a thousand seeds that I had for over 15 years, 100% germination. Sprinkle on top of sterile sifted soil and spray lightly until soaked and cover.
Super delicate and small, I transplant with an xacto knife into tiny pots, then transplant directly into soil . I was shown to make a "hand" (like playing poker) then fold it and hang it underside out . There's so much more information available now than when I started.
Thanks for the video !
Nice one...
I've been dealing with horn worms for a few years now and have tried spinosad it seems to be working quite well so far this year . Wish you luck with your tobacco & thanks for sharing 👍🏼😀
This year I'm covering a portable greenhouse with porch screen and placing the plants inside it. I hope to be doing a video on it soon.
@@SixteenChickens that sounds like a plan. Guessing your going for shade growing . possibly going for some wrapper leaf? Subscribed, looking forward to seeing that.
Milk and Honey Homestead how did the fermenting process, in the oak barrel, turn out?
netting that veg. growers use for cabbage moth, might have to pin plants down though, tobacco tea is meant to be effective on larvae
Can you please tell me a turbo fast fermentation method without any equipment I don't care so much about the quality I want to get rid of the ammonia
Mint is a good repellent.
how do u frement is inside a brrile and how do you promise it to work for you ?
thank you .
Are these going to be done before winter and freeze in this barn?
Where did you get that metal stake you tied your tobacco on? Or what are those metal stakes called?
I'm from Indonesia I have a video of growing tobacco to harvesting in the fields, still in the traditional way
Man my plants are nearly 90 day and no where near growing like yours did. I have maybe 2 6"s and 3 3"s
Catnip is better than deet for a pesticide. Pick them and put on tobacco leaves.
@Milk and Honey Homestead how has it turned out. I would imagine you would be smoking that stuff still.
I imagine it molded, with those green ones going in there!
Did you ever get rid of the horn worm?
I got something chewing my plants now ,I can't figure out what
Haven't you ever heard of bacillus thuringens. It keeps the worms off of tomatoes
Hey, thanks for the videos! Can I still plant some now in late June?
Depending on where you live, yes. If you're warm into October, you should be fine.
Where can I get the seed?
@@Endeavor545 www.victoryseeds.com/tobacco.html
tobaccoseed.company
sustainableseedco.com/collections/tobacco
www.newhopeseed.com/tobacco_growing.html
I usually grow seedlings, which come in Mid-May. They mature around September. Not sure if you will be able to grow from seed at this point, perhaps in a greenhouse you could.
What can I do with whole tobacco leaves already cured and I imagine fermented. Can they be cured further? Or fermented further? I buy them by the pound. Wondering if can do something that will make them even better…
Getting them to the right humidity level would be the first thing, They become pliable when they reach about 70% humidity. I recently pulled some out that I've had for a few years and rolled a couple of cigars from them.
What is the tobaco strain?
Question,,does the plant die after going through flowering and seed stage?
Yes they're an annual
for caterpillars (like hornworms) use BT insecticide, its approved as being an organic pesticide
If you do that might as well buy big brand tabacco. When I finally start growing my own I will keep it as natural as I can. No chemicals at all. I even will be buying better soil for it.
@@Fathernsonadventures BT is a natural bacteria not a chemical. "Insecticide" really isn't the right word.
Insect damage is a good sign that it hasn't been chemicalized and is actually still organic
I am thinking of growing my own and using it in a pipe do I have to ferment them. And if so how do I do it without a barrel what all can I use to ferment. Can it be a 5 g bucket or does it have to be wood.
All it really takes is the right amount of heat and humidity and keeping the leaves pressed together. Mix and match the leaves every few weeks during the curing process. I'm fermenting some right now in a tall, plastic Starbucks coffee container.
@@SixteenChickens once thank you I appreciate the help. Where can I buy some good tabacco plants at a good price I found some on etsy but idk if I trust them lol
@@Fathernsonadventures We used to get our plants from newhopeseed.com, but they have shut down. Now it looks like you can only get seeds. Several places, including victoryseeds sell them.
Hi. Did you ever follow up on this video? I can’t find it? What’s the video called?
Anyone know a legit website to order from? When I googled all the sites had sketchy reviews
I am growing tobacco for the first time, a red type burley tobacco. Can anyone tell me, is it necessary to ferment it after curing? What happens if you don't cure it & still want to smoke it?
It will taste very harsh if you don't ferment it.
I’m growing burley aswell. I pulled a leaf and air cured it and it’s brown and smells really sweet Like honey almost. I’m not gonna ferment my tobacco. I’m gonna make snus and snus requires it to be air cured and pasteurized I think if you want to smoke it you should ferment it tho
@@BOBBBB3726 I also make Snus out of my Tobacco, there for you don't need to ferment the leafs.
The trick is to get the heat and humidity right , I have just smoked a cigarette that tasted really good from this years crop. I took a chance and hung the hands, in the apex of the greenhouse, and over a few weeks the color changes until its as dark as its going to get depending on the variety, after its done .Leave them for a few more weeks, then rehydrate and cut,
Maybe Honduras doesnt have aphids and horn worms
On your other video you said you use Tomato Fertilizer once a week, Is that for the life of the plant.????
Pretty much until it's time to start harvesting the leaves.
@@SixteenChickens Thank you. Someone gave me a tobacco plant for Christmas, Never had one before so just looking for the basic information..
Part III coming soon?
Part III was somewhat of a failure, unfortunately. I was able to ferment and keep about half of the tobacco and it still smells great. I coiled it into twists. The next video will be starting this month as I get 12 more plants and learn from the problems that I had last year. I plan to grow them in a totally screened enclosure to keep out any moths and control the growing environment as much as possible. Thanks for watching!
Milk and Honey Homestead Good luck this year!
I had a real problem getting the leaves the correct moisture content. Either they were too moist or too dry. I think I made my bunches with too many leaves per. This year I'm going to limit my curing bunches to about 3 leaves each. I ended up with a few good cured twists that smell great to this day.
Spray em with soap water
Hello my friend, what do we do with this damned worm, it eats almost all the leaves, and I searched for it everywhere and did not find it, where does it hide and when it appears I do not know, do you have a way to get rid of this damned worm
At this point you need to cover the plants with some screen or plastic, especially at night, being careful not to have it touch the plants. You always assume that the worms are there, whether you see damage or not, so check every leaf, especially the underside of the leaf, every day and remove them as soon as they are visible. Make sure you squash them, or they will crawl right back up the plant. The moths come at night and lay their eggs on the plant. If you keep out the moths, eventually the worms will disappear and the new leaves will not have any damage. But you need a cover that will grow with the plants. I have another video on the "Screenhouse" that we built. This worked great.
thank you very much for your interest 🙏🙏
Why do you ferment the tobacco?
David G O I want to know about that also! There was no explanation.
@@j-manj-man6789 so is curing and fermenting tobacco the same thing?
@@tammybotha543 No, first you cure the leaves and then you ferment them.
@@Der_Kleine_Mann thank you for your reply, I'm about to start planting my first tobacco crop, so I have no experience. Any info is valued at this point. You cure on string or air cure than you, essentially heat cure (ferment). Is that in a nutshell, correct?
@@tammybotha543 Yes, first you color cure the leafs and when the color is right, then you ferment them to get the taste right. Curing alone is sadly not enough to receive a smokeable tobacco. The leafs need to be fermented, to get rid of ammonia and other chemicals in the leafs, and also other neccessary chemical reactions happen while fermenting.
Black hawk for worms
Padron in a Nicaraguan farm
"I cant deal with these crazy worms, I'll show you how I zip tie them and put em in the barn" (I know what you meant)
Insecticidal soap water its what we use on marijuana.
Thay would dry better if you put the leaves face to face NOT back to back
Neem oil!
Ducks are great at eating slugs and worms
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