Very nice, sir! Here in Brazil we remove the stem before curing, so the “green” from the leaves disapear faster. As soon the leaves are picked, we let them wither for about a day or two (depending on the temperature), then remove the central stem and then let them dry/cure.
I grew my first tobacco last year here in Finland, did a big mistake by putting 3-4 together on the curingrack and this caused 80% of my harvest to mould, i couldn't save enything from it. But i hadd some 20% left that i got to smoke, those i hadd threaded one by one on a thick metal wire, they where really aromatic and tasty. I noticed the stems are very high in moisture, helps alot to cut the stem in the middle when drying, i saved the stems aswell and made tobacco flour witch i used to make my own Swedish Snus. The stems has a high consentrate of nicotine and when they dry they smell stronger then the leaf itself. Get alot of weight from them aswell so i would recommend not to throw the stems away, i put them in a blender and make flour of it.
I have produced my first tobacco ever . 100g in jar and 300 leaves to go through the whole process. Can’t wait to get it all done. Nice smooth smoke. Golden Virginia
NEVER throw away ANY tobacco (not even if it's moldy, green/"under-ripe", etc)... Even if you don't want to smoke/chew it... you can use it to make pesticide, wood stain, dye, etc...
@@natashabegley1346 Contrary to popular belief, everyone including you will die of something. Alcohol, bus, COVID, diabetes, over exercise. and a million other ways. Why bother watching if you have that point of view.
Hey man im just watching this video. Took me ages to notice why your accent was weird. Im so used to listening to american accents on videos that when i hear my own it throws me😂😂. Are you aussie or nz? Cos i find perth people sound like nzders. Im nz. But your accents got both aussie with new zealand accents too. Gosh you smoke too much if that box was a weeks worth. That cutter i was thinkin. You could make new blades from anternating big and small washers on a rod and bolting the ends. And make two. Then interlace them. I got a pasta roller but im not getin it stickey. Ive got jap knives that a razorblades. Did uou know that american brittish tobacco is 50%shredded paper and flavourings and fine tobacco. Frim now on all of it hasta be fine cut floss cos it burns faster. Cunning bastards!
Gotta be honest, just watched both your vid's, and I am very impressed by your method, it's both practical, and very simplified compared to so many I have seen, which, to be honest really complicate and make expensive the fermenting and curing process. So a big thumbs up from me. God bless. 👍👍👍
Thats what motivated me to make the video. I wanted to find the easy and cheapest way and was sick of all the nonsense on curing tobacco. Thanks for the feedback.
I have been looking a long time for a method to replace the kiln fermenting of tobacco. So simply placing the fresh leaves between some moist towels and drying them once a day can allow them to ferment? I plan to grow cigar leaf.
Awesome video mate my first year growing and I'm looking for all the advice I can get the drying and the curing is the the most important. This helps loads thanks.
I was under the impression that the cure doesn't happen until after the drying process, which is sometimes referred to the Color cure. Aiming for a bright yellow (hence the #gold in the name). At which point you bring them to the fermentation chamber raising humidity and temp. This is done for 3-4weeks and turns the leaves brown. Never seen it done this way, ever.
Hey,thank you Rob,watched many u tube videos on this subject.1 person was answering his phone,next 1 got up 2go 2 bathroom,then next 1 yelling at dog,1 was filming with his wife yelling at him,I won’t go on.All of the above were talking about there pipes,what 2 drink while smoking,there lighters,the weather,I wouldn’t go on.You where straight 2 the point,no poo.I be watching You only about pipe tobacco. Thank You 😊!
First video I have seen that shows easy curing tobacco from start to finish but just wondering how long it usually takes from picking the leaves, curing and ready to smoke? Great video thank you!
I’m just getting ready to stick my plants outside in early May (U.K.). I’m excited to try your process. I might also try a slightly more aged version as someone below suggested putting them in a zip lock bag with slight moisture, opening/closing for a week or so. Cheers for the no bullshit. Tobacco videos online piss me off with all this curing fermenting drying order crap. Confusing just to make it confusing
Cześć co kraj to ina historia w Polsce jest problem o podłożu fermentacji i wyrwaniu centralnej łodygi bo jeśli nie zrobisz tego maszynowo (pneumatyczne) to ręcznie się nie opłaci a tytoń najbardziej splesnieje od tej łodygi. Znam trochę temat i widziałem już kilka ton splesnialego tytoniu.
good on ya,u sound aust,australia charge's $35 to $50 for a packet of smokes,.a 25gram tobacco pouch cost $60 to $90 depending on which brand of tobacco.
Nope - he's a Kiwi. Different accent to Australia. And over here in NZ (2024), it now costs approx $80.00 per 30g pouch, to $140.00 per 50g depending on brand. This video is 4 years old.
you know when you harvest, befor hanging to drie, use something like a hamer or annything to smash/break the stalk running up the leaf then you get sweeter tobacco becouse the sugars dont get pulled back in the stalk and if you do it fine enough you can even grind the stalks seprate, and you'll see why when you do 😉 gr from holland.
Hi, ik zie dat je uit Holland komt, voor mij wat makkelijker communiceren 😉 ben me sinds kort aan het verdiepen hierin. Wat houd nu dat fermenteren in, hoe doe je dat en waarom is dat nodig? Weet jij dat? Ik lees ook over oventjes enz, maar dat lijkt me met de huidige energieprijzen een nogal dure aangelegenheid.
@@Sjak50 jazeker fermenteren is eigenlijks gocontroleerd rotten zonder de schimmel, denk maar aan bier en wijn etc,. en het heeft voor zin dat de chlorifofiel en de zuren tijd krijgen om af te breken dus de smaak word naar mijn mening hartiget, end de nicotinne, enz, word iets afgebroken tot een zout wat beter opgeneomen word in de rest stof die je rookt. mischien handiger om eens te spreken, ik kweek al jaren tabak, vanaf opa op vader, dus er is wel veel meer wat ik je zou kunnen vertellen maar dat zou je moetten proevem, meemaken, en zien😁, groet, martijn been
Like your video, some good basic info. Just starting to learn about. The American way would be cut the crank off and build a simple mount for a drill. Just saying.
I’ve grown other medication but I decided to try three types of tobacco for smoking this coming summer. Hopefully it’ll turn out as well as my other meds!
U can use potato peels as well. Leaves no smell or taste. They do that over here. Or just spray with a tiny bit of water. Leave in plastic bag overnight. Dry a few hours if needed
You could also "re-moisten" them by using apple slices (gives it a sort of brandy flavor), slices of bread, or spritz them with Kentucky Bourbon (I prefer Wild Turkey 101)... LLLOL
rum and a good port mixed and sprayed and left to soak a good while works awesome especially if the backy is still less than three months old the longer it ages after drying the more mellow it gets i find its much more flavourable and no green taste when i was in hawkes bay on a small farm i grew VG for three years it was awesome 2 cents a cig had some massive plats eight nine footers saved thousands .. jumped back across the ditch 2016 its a lot harder in oz to get seed but im finally back on track the last manitou 30 gram i bought cost 80 bucs its insaine been smoking fifty years it what i do and i enjoy it the persecution trip is bs . mean while the crack heads get sympathy crazy world !
They banned growing it ENTIRELY, even for COMMERCIAL production. We had a growing region here in Victoria. They were selling a lot on the black market and after 2 years, essentially out of spite they just decided to close the whole industry and set up retraining programs. And now it's 100% imported and the stuff you get under the table is chinese cigarettes with GOD knows what in them.
It's illegal but no-one really cares. And it's not the cops who enforce the tobacco laws (as if they'd know a tobacco plant if they saw one anyway) it's the tax department and they're not exactly running around looking over fences.
If i'm growing 2 different varieties, can I simply let one of each plant make a seed head, or will they get cross pollinated and become a hybrid of the two varieties?
Thanks sir it's my 3rd yr of growing but my first yr of topping curing and consuming I've been picking the leaves when they are yellow but I see they use green leaves in some videos I've seen !!??!!??
Great video production and advice Rob. I like your, No biggie, style. My first year growing, so it will be learn as I go. But far better armed with your help. Just wondering what region are you and what month do you plant outside. Thanks for your post.
New Zealand 🇳🇿. Germinate seeds indoors early spring (August here) and plant out in September. The earlier they go outside the bigger the plant. 6 months growth will get 7ft high.
@@robmurphy5548 Thanks. Just prepping the planting area, I best get onto the seed trays. I’m a complete novice at gardening, lucky we have YT posts like yours to make knowledge so accessible. Good luck with your crop :)
You didn’t say how long you ferment the semi yellow leaves under the towel for, or more to the point: how to judge when they are perfectly fermented ready for hanging and drying, any tips on that? Is it just when they go yellow? Otherwise THANK YOU so much for this video and putting this skill in my hands! Cheers from Scotland.
Its a good question. I sort of go by what looks like will dry well. All yellow is perfect but the yellow can start to rot if you don't take them out to air dry.
@@robmurphy5548 great, thank you. One other thing I thought about; if the fully yellow leaves still on the plant can jus the considered fermented already and hung up to dry without fermenting in the towel; why do ferment in the first place? And not just let it happen on the plant and take the fully yellow ones?
As a bored 19 year old during lockdown I had a go growing some and had some nice as plants. Picked them off when they started to yellow, had them hanging for a good month, tried experimenting by curing in jars and leaving them in the sun on my window sill letting them air out every day. I'm having some issues with keeping it lit not gonna lie, as a first timer definitely made mistakes somewhere but idk why they're having issues burning. Have them currently in sealed vac bags with some boveda bags at 62% relative humidity. The types i grew were bonanza and yellow twist bud. When it does burn its got a lovely flavour however little throat hit, I let them flower for a few weeks so i'm guessing the nicotine levels decreased. Gonna give it another go this year. With my jar experiment, I had them drying for a good month and just as the leaves were crisping up with the stems still moist I put them in large glass jars, leaving them in the sun for a few hours a day where the jars would steam up, and id give them at least an hour a day to breath. II continued the process until the stalks were dry. As i currently don't have a shredder, I rolled up the leaves and made cuts so its a bit wider than you're normal shredded rolling tobacco but its not too bad. I did spray the shredded tobacco with distilled water to rehydrate it Do let me know if i made some big mistakes/advice for the next run, cheers.
Kia ora Rob. I’ve read around where a lot of guys are “fermenting” in temp/humidity controlled environments with makeshift boxes (rice cookers and slow cookers etc on a thermostat). Do you skip this process? There’s a lot of conflicting info out there about the process AFTER air drying. Some “ferment” and some don’t. What’s your take? Cheers from Rotorua.
Lol. Thats why I made the vlog. I to was confused about all the different styles. When I stated out my rules were "cheap and fast" and thats what I ended up with. If your tobacco is smokable, tsstes good and isn't mouldy then its a win. This method works but feel free to try others.
@@robmurphy5548 Makes sense. My only concern is ensuring enough time for ammonia to dissapear. 2 weeks under the towels (with daily wiping) has been sufficient for you?
I use a cross-cut paper shredder. If you think about using a new one, run a bunch of paper through it first to soak up the oil used to preserve the blades during manufacturing. Also, make sure the tobacco is at or above 60-rh; otherwise you'll make tobacco dust.
glad i found this channel , where do you get the seeds from? i live in totaltarian NZ (just passed new laws where people born 2003 onwards cant buy tobacco products EVER) it's a joke and i want to grow my own $32.50 a pack of 20 taylermades here now
Tried this last summer and went through the same process but without the "curing". The texture, burn and inhalation was great. The problem I had was A) it smelt like burning leaves and nothing like tobacco and B) did not have the aroma and taste of the Drum (or equivalent) tobacco I so desperately want to match. Would this be sorted by "curing" with a bowel of rum instead of cabbage and should I do this after the leaves are fully dried (as to absorb the taste and smell of the rum)?
you have to cure the tobacco to smoke it, or it tastes like you are smoking a leaf. You can't skip curing 😅 also if you want to make it next level and get that sweet taste/smell you need to ferment it too, or you just aren't going to get it.
Hi. Not sure as I roll my cigarettes. But from what I have seen there's no reason why not. You might need to put the tobacco through the grinder twice so its a bit finer.
Very helpful! I will be growing some next year. Two questions: How long do you leave them to ferment in the towels? 2: how well does it burn? I have heard homegrown can be tougher to keep lit.
Max 2 weeks in warmer weather but check and wipe daily to avoid moisture and rot. Burns well if you take out what you need for the week from a jar once shredded. Leave 50g in the sun for 30 minutes for final dry up if its too moist.
As a bored 19 year old during lockdown I had a go growing some and had some nice as plants. Picked them off when they started to yellow, had them hanging for a good month, tried experimenting by curing in jars and leaving them in the sun on my window sill letting them air out every day. I'm having some issues with keeping it lit not gonna lie, as a first timer definitely made mistakes somewhere but idk why they're having issues burning. Have them currently in sealed vac bags with some boveda bags at 62% relative humidity.
I live in a very dry and hot climate. Should I still ferment first and then dry or dry first then ferment? Also is curing the same as fermenting? I’m trying to work with Hickory Pryor and Mountain Pima (both nicotiana tabacum L). Thanks for this video, btw!
Experiment and try everything. I found my way by trying many times and failing. This method works for me. Pick, cure, dry . It can then either be stored or shredded.
If someone could answer a question I have that'd be great! I dried my first tobacco leaves. I left them fermenting quite a while on the floor stacked on to of each other and then dried them by hanging them in little bunches. The leaves have a good color but smell a little strange (fermented, kinda earthy smell). I am worried i left them too long before drying. Is there a danger of smoking poorly dried tobaco leaves or leaves ? I've smoked a bit, it's alright but pretty strong on the throat. I have no way of comparing so any advise would be amazing ! Would be disappointed if I have waisted them all... Thanks !!
When leaves are mature green or yellow then pick and cure in blankets until all yellow and smelling good. Hang to dry then store or grind. Use a cabbage leaf in a storage container to soften for grinding. Experiment lots - good luck.
I bought some tobacco in a vacuum bag here in Serbia from someone and almost all of the tobacco i buy shredded stinks. Why is that it has that weird smell?
I tried making cigars and got nicotine poisoning. Would suggest the firsr pickings but rinse well with boiling water after curing then dry. Maybe leave for a year or 2 to mellow.
Very interesting! I have only seen it done the other way around; First drying and then fermenting with heat in a box. But does your way of fermenting get rid of the ammonia in the leaf in the same way a ”traditional” fermentation would do?
Yes it sure does. The chlorophyll comes out and can smell it in the shed. Makes for a good smoke and have been using this process all year. Once the leaf is cured and dried it can be stored for years.
What he is doing is making tobacco for cigarettes. Cigar tobacco is treated differently which is why they smell and taste different when you smoke them. If you want that cigar type tobacco, then you take the leaves he has at the point of shredding, and instead of shredding them, you need to ferment them in a hot, moist environment. It's almost like the early stage of composting where the leaves break down a bit and release ammonia. They also darken. If you have a ton of leaves then you stack them into a compost like pile as they do on the plantations. Otherwise you have to replicate the conditions inside a box. You could probably do it by putting the leaves in a container and actually burying it inside a compost pile for a few weeks. Something to try out.
@@nickkitchener6155 Thats very good advice he skipped the next lvl of fermenting process. better still put the leaves in a ziplock bag , spray a little water in it for moisture. Zip up the bag and put it on the dashboard of your car.. each day open it up air it out .. rince and repeat for 4- 5 days each day you do this, you will smell compost.. keep going with the open up dry out in the bag, moisten again .. around the 6 -7 day .. open it up and it will smell like chocolate, a very sweet smell .. then you know its done. Dry, cut and smoke 😤 👍
@@Karl_Marksman u should be able maybe. Im in the Netherlands which isnt tropical at all, we can grow tobacco, plant them in April. And pick them when the tip of the leave starts yellowing. They always do that over here. Idk why i see ppl in other countries pick them fully green.
Hi there Rob, l grew my first Virgina Gold this year, and l dried it and then tried to smoke it, will it went up in flames. l have been watching and most of the process is for commercial use. l let them air dry and then cut them down. l have seen now some that state to water it and leave in jars, which l am trying, but l have others that are dried in in a bag. How do l property process / ferment them, watched your two videos but still not sure what to do as they are super dry right now. Please let me know. thank you
Im at the stage where i have dried the leaves and they are the same as yours. Im taking the stalks out now, My question is do i need to leave them to age or are ready to smoke now?
If you have a lot then they can be stored in sacks and will mellow with time. If they a crispy dry put a bunch in a big plastic container with a cabbage leaf overnight. They need to be leathery when you shred them. If to wet leave in the sun for 10 - 20 minutes.
A hundred dollars for a hundred grams!? Where are you? I live in one of the more expensive US states where cigarettes are about 10 dollars a pack. But a pound (453 1.2 grams) of tobacco is $23.49
@@robmurphy5548 The UK apparently has really high tobacco prices too. I thought you had a mild UK accent and so I was looking around for tobacco prices in England and they appear to be around the same price as NZ. Thanks.
Cześć, jeśli chodzi o rodzj maszynki tego rodzaju (walki) to ja mam coś lepszego za 1700 $ i jeśli po każdym cięciu jej nie umyje w ciepłej wodzie i potem jej nie przedmucham kompresorem 10 bar to jej nazajutrz nie uruchomię, zawsze trzeba ją czyścić i dmuchać w dodatku one nie są do tytoniu z łodyga. Pozdrawiam Nowa Zelandie
It will take you a few years to ferment the leaves to make smokeable "cigar" wraps from what I understand. Cigar wraps are the same wraps you want for sticky icky
Only the best leaves are used for cigar wraps. If you want them quickly ferment until past yellow to more brown then hang to dry. Put in tub and poor hot water over to rinse out some of the tar and nicotine. Hang to dry again. You can repeat this for mild smooth smoke. Reintroduce moisture with apple slice or cabbage leaf to soften then roll up. Leave to dry then store in humidor. Or smoke as required.
I had a difficult time, but maybe the leaf wasn't the right humidity? I got it rolled but it was too floppy and hard to smoke. I think the trick is to roll it, then let it dry. Was wondering if one could wrap a leaf around a pen or smaller cylinder, let it cure that way, then fill it with the green shrubbery? Not sure how spit glue would hold up, but rolling paper glue is made from golden roasted corn starch and water. Anyway, I got about 20 maybe more plants, and for the past couple weeks I have been harvesting bottom leaves, but nothing is quite ready for spliff loads yet. I need to get, or make one of those tobacco slicer-dicers!
@@sekovittol3124 the growing process is new to me, but I’m somewhat familiar with cigar rolling. For glue, you can use honey, cigar glue (it’s flavorless and cheap), or just canning fruit pectin. Once you roll a cigar it’s best to let it air dry for a week then age a couple months at the right humidity (70ish percent) to let it reach a consistent moisture level among the leaves. For a homemade blunt, I would think use the driest leaf you can still roll. Then leave it out to dry for a day or two after rolling. That should help the cigar leaf burn better and tighten up around the contents.
Hi Rob. For leaves that turn yellow on the plant, are you still ‘curing’ them, or just hang them straight up to dry? Price of smokes here in NZ I need to start growing 🤣
Thats why i started growing. Yes they will need time in the blankets but you will look at them each day and wipe them down. A bit more yellow won't hurt. Hang them up before the yellow goes brown and rots. The curing is more fermentation.
Once cured and dry it can be stored for years in sacks. When you want to grind it take 20 leaves and put in a container with a cabbage leaf for 24 hours to soften. The shred it and put in an air tight jar and fill your tin for smoking. If a bit damp leave in the sun for 20 minutes.
@@squarepantsdance We can’t win either way. NZ medical system, we pay massive tax for smokes, supposedly to help offset the cost of treating people with smoking related issues. I need back surgery after blowing my back out in construction. Received a letter from the hospital that said blah, blah, blah and because I smoke there’s no operation being offered. I was fit, no health problems, no medications and correct BMI working in a physical environment. But put smoker on your file and well. Could we have our smoke tax back you thieving bastards. Other than that, Rob has been a great source of knowledge, my plants are outside in Wellsford doing well, fuck em!!
Very nice, sir! Here in Brazil we remove the stem before curing, so the “green” from the leaves disapear faster. As soon the leaves are picked, we let them wither for about a day or two (depending on the temperature), then remove the central stem and then let them dry/cure.
Good tip.
I grew my first tobacco last year here in Finland, did a big mistake by putting 3-4 together on the curingrack and this caused 80% of my harvest to mould, i couldn't save enything from it.
But i hadd some 20% left that i got to smoke, those i hadd threaded one by one on a thick metal wire, they where really aromatic and tasty.
I noticed the stems are very high in moisture, helps alot to cut the stem in the middle when drying, i saved the stems aswell and made tobacco flour witch i used to make my own Swedish Snus. The stems has a high consentrate of nicotine and when they dry they smell stronger then the leaf itself. Get alot of weight from them aswell so i would recommend not to throw the stems away, i put them in a blender and make flour of it.
I have produced my first tobacco ever . 100g in jar and 300 leaves to go through the whole process. Can’t wait to get it all done. Nice smooth smoke. Golden Virginia
NEVER throw away ANY tobacco (not even if it's moldy, green/"under-ripe", etc)... Even if you don't want to smoke/chew it... you can use it to make pesticide, wood stain, dye, etc...
Also fertilizer for new plants.
Wow thanks for this !
You can use it to get yourself cancer quicker aswel!
@@natashabegley1346 Contrary to popular belief, everyone including you will die of something. Alcohol, bus, COVID, diabetes, over exercise. and a million other ways. Why bother watching if you have that point of view.
Hey man im just watching this video. Took me ages to notice why your accent was weird.
Im so used to listening to american accents on videos that when i hear my own it throws me😂😂.
Are you aussie or nz?
Cos i find perth people sound like nzders.
Im nz. But your accents got both aussie with new zealand accents too.
Gosh you smoke too much if that box was a weeks worth.
That cutter i was thinkin.
You could make new blades from anternating big and small washers on a rod and bolting the ends. And make two.
Then interlace them.
I got a pasta roller but im not getin it stickey.
Ive got jap knives that a razorblades. Did uou know that american brittish tobacco is 50%shredded paper and flavourings and fine tobacco.
Frim now on all of it hasta be fine cut floss cos it burns faster. Cunning bastards!
Great video. I do exactly the same over here in zone 6B Quebec. No hassle method, low cost and efficient.
it is a beauty of a plant, and a relaxing process , the money saved is fuckin unbelievable with how easy it is, if only I knew all them years ago :P
Just had my first taste of home grown tobacco, Virginia Gold, so sweet and tastes better knowing how it got there :)
This is one of the most straightforward how-to vids I’ve seen on tobacco.
Loving the tunes! Fat Freddy’s Drop?
Nice job man. Thorough, top to bottom.
Good tunes too 👌
IRS Disapprove of your methods.
Good job on keeping the money out of the hands of government.
Support GMO! Grow My Own :D
Home-grown taste like shit though cancer in a year lol
@@natashabegley1346 Great I'll pay even less tax if I'm dead
@@DXmYb They will still tax you somehow lol...
Thanks for the video very helpful!!! Sticky fingers playing on the radio my favourite ozzie band !!
Gotta be honest, just watched both your vid's, and I am very impressed by your method, it's both practical, and very simplified compared to so many I have seen, which, to be honest really complicate and make expensive the fermenting and curing process. So a big thumbs up from me. God bless. 👍👍👍
Thats what motivated me to make the video. I wanted to find the easy and cheapest way and was sick of all the nonsense on curing tobacco. Thanks for the feedback.
@@robmurphy5548 All good, and thank you for this, it was honestly helpful to me, and will be doing likewise this year. 👍👍👍
I have been looking a long time for a method to replace the kiln fermenting of tobacco. So simply placing the fresh leaves between some moist towels and drying them once a day can allow them to ferment? I plan to grow cigar leaf.
Your roots go deep brotha! I thought it was my music playing in the background lol
Awesome video mate my first year growing and I'm looking for all the advice I can get the drying and the curing is the the most important. This helps loads thanks.
I was under the impression that the cure doesn't happen until after the drying process, which is sometimes referred to the Color cure. Aiming for a bright yellow (hence the #gold in the name). At which point you bring them to the fermentation chamber raising humidity and temp. This is done for 3-4weeks and turns the leaves brown. Never seen it done this way, ever.
There's many ways. My way works fine and its low cost quick turnaround.
Hey,thank you Rob,watched many u tube videos on this subject.1 person was answering his phone,next 1 got up 2go 2 bathroom,then next 1 yelling at dog,1 was filming with his wife yelling at him,I won’t go on.All of the above were talking about there pipes,what 2 drink while smoking,there lighters,the weather,I wouldn’t go on.You where straight 2 the point,no poo.I be watching You only about pipe tobacco. Thank You 😊!
Thats why I did my own take on it. So much nonsense out there. Its free, its cheap and easy, enjoy.
beautiful garden mate
First video I have seen that shows easy curing tobacco from start to finish but just wondering how long it usually takes from picking the leaves, curing and ready to smoke? Great video thank you!
@@StevePhillips thanks.easy was the plan. Takes 2 weeks to dry then 2 weeks to cure for smoking.
I’m just getting ready to stick my plants outside in early May (U.K.). I’m excited to try your process. I might also try a slightly more aged version as someone below suggested putting them in a zip lock bag with slight moisture, opening/closing for a week or so. Cheers for the no bullshit. Tobacco videos online piss me off with all this curing fermenting drying order crap. Confusing just to make it confusing
Best of luck.
Those videos make you mad, why?
Cześć co kraj to ina historia w Polsce jest problem o podłożu fermentacji i wyrwaniu centralnej łodygi bo jeśli nie zrobisz tego maszynowo (pneumatyczne) to ręcznie się nie opłaci a tytoń najbardziej splesnieje od tej łodygi. Znam trochę temat i widziałem już kilka ton splesnialego tytoniu.
good on ya,u sound aust,australia charge's $35 to $50 for a packet of smokes,.a 25gram tobacco pouch cost $60 to $90 depending on which brand of tobacco.
Nope - he's a Kiwi. Different accent to Australia. And over here in NZ (2024), it now costs approx $80.00 per 30g pouch, to $140.00 per 50g depending on brand. This video is 4 years old.
Great video bro, thankyou!
Easy as to get my head around the process thanks to your video
you know when you harvest, befor hanging to drie, use something like a hamer or annything to smash/break the stalk running up the leaf then you get sweeter tobacco becouse the sugars dont get pulled back in the stalk and if you do it fine enough you can even grind the stalks seprate, and you'll see why when you do 😉 gr from holland.
Hi, ik zie dat je uit Holland komt, voor mij wat makkelijker communiceren 😉 ben me sinds kort aan het verdiepen hierin. Wat houd nu dat fermenteren in, hoe doe je dat en waarom is dat nodig? Weet jij dat? Ik lees ook over oventjes enz, maar dat lijkt me met de huidige energieprijzen een nogal dure aangelegenheid.
@@Sjak50 jazeker fermenteren is eigenlijks gocontroleerd rotten zonder de schimmel, denk maar aan bier en wijn etc,.
en het heeft voor zin dat de chlorifofiel en de zuren tijd krijgen om af te breken
dus de smaak word naar mijn mening hartiget, end de nicotinne, enz, word iets afgebroken tot een zout wat beter opgeneomen word in de rest stof die je rookt.
mischien handiger om eens te spreken,
ik kweek al jaren tabak, vanaf opa op vader, dus er is wel veel meer wat ik je zou kunnen vertellen maar dat zou je moetten proevem, meemaken, en zien😁,
groet,
martijn been
Looks good man 👍 ive just planted my seeds yesterday cant wait to smoke home-grown tobacco
Its a process and a hobby.
Great video thanks. Is it a pasta grinder you use and what type is it please?
I have tried Mohawk, Aztec and Virginia gold. First I got a few sprouts... and then boom I find new sprouts everywhere.
Like your video, some good basic info. Just starting to learn about. The American way would be cut the crank off and build a simple mount for a drill. Just saying.
I’ve grown other medication but I decided to try three types of tobacco for smoking this coming summer. Hopefully it’ll turn out as well as my other meds!
I use a soaked old brick to rehumidify or green leaves being too scared it would smell old cabbadge ! great helpfull video Thanks
Maybe using the core of an apple instead might be an idea? used it for my pipe tobacco years ago.
U can use potato peels as well. Leaves no smell or taste. They do that over here. Or just spray with a tiny bit of water. Leave in plastic bag overnight. Dry a few hours if needed
You will be supprised about smoking cabbage .. if done using the right curing method, you can get cabbage leaves tasting like tobacco.. i kid you not
You could also "re-moisten" them by using apple slices (gives it a sort of brandy flavor), slices of bread, or spritz them with Kentucky Bourbon (I prefer Wild Turkey 101)... LLLOL
Yup my great grandma used to do this when I was little :)
rum and a good port mixed and sprayed and left to soak a good while works awesome especially if the backy is still less than three months old the longer it ages after drying the more mellow it gets i find its much more flavourable and no green taste when i was in hawkes bay on a small farm i grew VG for three years it was awesome 2 cents a cig had some massive plats eight nine footers saved thousands .. jumped back across the ditch 2016 its a lot harder in oz to get seed but im finally back on track the last manitou 30 gram i bought cost 80 bucs its insaine been smoking fifty years it what i do and i enjoy it the persecution trip is bs . mean while the crack heads get sympathy crazy world !
Excellent job on this video
I love your playlist. I listen to high stereo love as well.
thanks for the video. Also in NZ and thinking about growing for pipe smoking.
Also in NZ. I've heard you can buy the leaves somewhere here in NZ at the side of the road (not against the law). I'm still trying to find out where.
First day of smoke for me today. It tastes amazing (Golden Virginia) however it burns the tongue and lips. I think it needs more time to age
I used to grow my own 20 years ago in Charters Towers. I wonder what the laws are growing your own in Queensland Australia now. Great video.
They banned growing it ENTIRELY, even for COMMERCIAL production. We had a growing region here in Victoria. They were selling a lot on the black market and after 2 years, essentially out of spite they just decided to close the whole industry and set up retraining programs. And now it's 100% imported and the stuff you get under the table is chinese cigarettes with GOD knows what in them.
It's illegal but no-one really cares. And it's not the cops who enforce the tobacco laws (as if they'd know a tobacco plant if they saw one anyway) it's the tax department and they're not exactly running around looking over fences.
Growing my own bucak this year for fonto ,
BTW, smokin love was a great song for this
If i'm growing 2 different varieties, can I simply let one of each plant make a seed head, or will they get cross pollinated and become a hybrid of the two varieties?
Not sure on that one . Give it a go and see what happens
Thanks sir it's my 3rd yr of growing but my first yr of topping curing and consuming I've been picking the leaves when they are yellow but I see they use green leaves in some videos I've seen !!??!!??
what kind of grinder are you using? where can I get one?
Awesome video. Thank you!
Nice video!
I got my seed from a pk of cig that fell in a bucket of water so i throw in the garden i was amazed how big the leaves are
Great video production and advice Rob. I like your, No biggie, style. My first year growing, so it will be learn as I go. But far better armed with your help. Just wondering what region are you and what month do you plant outside. Thanks for your post.
New Zealand 🇳🇿. Germinate seeds indoors early spring (August here) and plant out in September. The earlier they go outside the bigger the plant. 6 months growth will get 7ft high.
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Thanks. Just prepping the planting area, I best get onto the seed trays. I’m a complete novice at gardening, lucky we have YT posts like yours to make knowledge so accessible. Good luck with your crop :)
Cheers mate. All the best.
Thanks for the video mate
You didn’t say how long you ferment the semi yellow leaves under the towel for, or more to the point: how to judge when they are perfectly fermented ready for hanging and drying, any tips on that? Is it just when they go yellow? Otherwise THANK YOU so much for this video and putting this skill in my hands! Cheers from Scotland.
Its a good question. I sort of go by what looks like will dry well. All yellow is perfect but the yellow can start to rot if you don't take them out to air dry.
@@robmurphy5548 great, thank you. One other thing I thought about; if the fully yellow leaves still on the plant can jus the considered fermented already and hung up to dry without fermenting in the towel; why do ferment in the first place? And not just let it happen on the plant and take the fully yellow ones?
As a bored 19 year old during lockdown I had a go growing some and had some nice as plants. Picked them off when they started to yellow, had them hanging for a good month, tried experimenting by curing in jars and leaving them in the sun on my window sill letting them air out every day. I'm having some issues with keeping it lit not gonna lie, as a first timer definitely made mistakes somewhere but idk why they're having issues burning. Have them currently in sealed vac bags with some boveda bags at 62% relative humidity. The types i grew were bonanza and yellow twist bud. When it does burn its got a lovely flavour however little throat hit, I let them flower for a few weeks so i'm guessing the nicotine levels decreased. Gonna give it another go this year.
With my jar experiment, I had them drying for a good month and just as the leaves were crisping up with the stems still moist I put them in large glass jars, leaving them in the sun for a few hours a day where the jars would steam up, and id give them at least an hour a day to breath. II continued the process until the stalks were dry.
As i currently don't have a shredder, I rolled up the leaves and made cuts so its a bit wider than you're normal shredded rolling tobacco but its not too bad.
I did spray the shredded tobacco with distilled water to rehydrate it
Do let me know if i made some big mistakes/advice for the next run, cheers.
Watch as many youtube videos on the topic that you can. Its a balance between cured and dry.
@@robmurphy5548 cheers is what I'm doing currently
@@carpathianhermit7228 if it doesn't burn it is too wet.
@@ModernBladesmith wisdom
boveda bags are a scam , thats probably what screwed ya over
Kia ora Rob. I’ve read around where a lot of guys are “fermenting” in temp/humidity controlled environments with makeshift boxes (rice cookers and slow cookers etc on a thermostat). Do you skip this process? There’s a lot of conflicting info out there about the process AFTER air drying. Some “ferment” and some don’t. What’s your take?
Cheers from Rotorua.
Lol. Thats why I made the vlog. I to was confused about all the different styles. When I stated out my rules were "cheap and fast" and thats what I ended up with. If your tobacco is smokable, tsstes good and isn't mouldy then its a win. This method works but feel free to try others.
@@robmurphy5548 Makes sense. My only concern is ensuring enough time for ammonia to dissapear. 2 weeks under the towels (with daily wiping) has been sufficient for you?
Definitely. Its been the cheapest way for home size growing. Pure tobacco taste . No chemicals added either.
Hi Ron, where can I buy a grinder like yours? Does it have a brand or a name on it? Is it a sphagetti pasta machine?
Tobacco shredder, online. There are better options for around 300 nz.
I use a cross-cut paper shredder. If you think about using a new one, run a bunch of paper through it first to soak up the oil used to preserve the blades during manufacturing. Also, make sure the tobacco is at or above 60-rh; otherwise you'll make tobacco dust.
sphagetti pasta machine works too. trade me has his machine for $39.00 dunno why he paid $300 😋
Nice irie tunes n herb brother :)
Excellent video! Looks fun to😁 DO YOU KNOW WHERE I COULD BUY THE SAME GRINDER YOU HAVE???
That one is to small now so up graded to this one. www.tobaccoandmachines.com/index.php?s=produkt&id=97
@@robmurphy5548 ... Thank you so much🌺👍
I bought a pasta machine for $40 from Kmart. works perfectly
How do you keep bugs from eating your plants?
Can you smoke it even if its not fermented? Heard it was dangerous with out fermenting
@@deadbabyjokes5319 not a good idea . Needs to be cured first.
glad i found this channel , where do you get the seeds from? i live in totaltarian NZ (just passed new laws where people born 2003 onwards cant buy tobacco products EVER) it's a joke and i want to grow my own $32.50 a pack of 20 taylermades here now
You can buy them online . Im in NZ too. Planting season is September so you have plenty of time to set up.
@@robmurphy5548 GUMTREE 5-10 BUCKS
Yeah i bought a pack of a thousand seeds off TradeMe for $6
Tried this last summer and went through the same process but without the "curing".
The texture, burn and inhalation was great.
The problem I had was A) it smelt like burning leaves and nothing like tobacco and B) did not have the aroma and taste of the Drum (or equivalent) tobacco I so desperately want to match.
Would this be sorted by "curing" with a bowel of rum instead of cabbage and should I do this after the leaves are fully dried (as to absorb the taste and smell of the rum)?
It seems your curing process went wrong, there is actually another stage that this guy did not do during the curing process
you have to cure the tobacco to smoke it, or it tastes like you are smoking a leaf. You can't skip curing 😅
also if you want to make it next level and get that sweet taste/smell you need to ferment it too, or you just aren't going to get it.
could one spray a light mist of rum whiskey brandy on the leaves to flavor them ? and if so when would one do that in the process
nice vid cheers
Try essence instead. More flavor, less wet.
Great. Will these method produce tobacco suitable for placing in cigarette 'tubes'? Great video. Simplest method so far., thanks.
Hi. Not sure as I roll my cigarettes. But from what I have seen there's no reason why not. You might need to put the tobacco through the grinder twice so its a bit finer.
Very helpful! I will be growing some next year. Two questions: How long do you leave them to ferment in the towels? 2: how well does it burn? I have heard homegrown can be tougher to keep lit.
Max 2 weeks in warmer weather but check and wipe daily to avoid moisture and rot. Burns well if you take out what you need for the week from a jar once shredded. Leave 50g in the sun for 30 minutes for final dry up if its too moist.
As a bored 19 year old during lockdown I had a go growing some and had some nice as plants. Picked them off when they started to yellow, had them hanging for a good month, tried experimenting by curing in jars and leaving them in the sun on my window sill letting them air out every day. I'm having some issues with keeping it lit not gonna lie, as a first timer definitely made mistakes somewhere but idk why they're having issues burning. Have them currently in sealed vac bags with some boveda bags at 62% relative humidity.
Make saltpeter and liquor your leaf with it.
@@carpathianhermit7228 - fertilise the plants with potassium when growing - it helps with burning
@@NapoleonGelignite cheers man
Looks a decent Bakky
What do you use to shred your baccy,and where to get one. Thank you.
www.wickedhabits.nz/product/tobacco-cutter-magic-cut-hand-machine-ts023
Thank you,very much.
If you cure/ ferment it longer does it get much smoother and if so, at what rate?
I live in a very dry and hot climate. Should I still ferment first and then dry or dry first then ferment? Also is curing the same as fermenting? I’m trying to work with Hickory Pryor and Mountain Pima (both nicotiana tabacum L). Thanks for this video, btw!
Experiment and try everything. I found my way by trying many times and failing. This method works for me. Pick, cure, dry . It can then either be stored or shredded.
If someone could answer a question I have that'd be great!
I dried my first tobacco leaves. I left them fermenting quite a while on the floor stacked on to of each other and then dried them by hanging them in little bunches. The leaves have a good color but smell a little strange (fermented, kinda earthy smell). I am worried i left them too long before drying.
Is there a danger of smoking poorly dried tobaco leaves or leaves ? I've smoked a bit, it's alright but pretty strong on the throat. I have no way of comparing so any advise would be amazing ! Would be disappointed if I have waisted them all... Thanks !!
Where can I get seeds from im in the USA
@@saint85 www.plantgoodseed.com/collections/organic-tobacco-seeds-rare-non-gmo-certified-organic-heirloom-varieties
Could you use a tobacco leaf for home rolled cigarettes?
Yes of course.
So plant seeds grow plants when leaves yellow pull off hang to brown up remove stem then shred is it not dry tho most commercial is moist
When leaves are mature green or yellow then pick and cure in blankets until all yellow and smelling good. Hang to dry then store or grind. Use a cabbage leaf in a storage container to soften for grinding. Experiment lots - good luck.
@robmurphy5548 do they not taste of cabbage tho 😆
Haha, no
I bought some tobacco in a vacuum bag here in Serbia from someone and almost all of the tobacco i buy shredded stinks. Why is that it has that weird smell?
That's fresh baccy.
Maybe it's a stupid question but what process or how do you determine what can be smoked and what can be used as a wrapper for your own cigars?
I tried making cigars and got nicotine poisoning. Would suggest the firsr pickings but rinse well with boiling water after curing then dry. Maybe leave for a year or 2 to mellow.
@@robmurphy5548 Oh boy!! Thanks for the reply
Good sounds bro
Fuck me dead, In one week he saved 300 dollars?
He must smoke like a chimney!
Lol. Tobacco expensive tax in New Zealand . $40 NZ dollars for pack of 20 .
Two seasons in a row I killed approximately 60 to 70 lbs of leaves the dried green I wasn’t able to get them to cure I give up
Very interesting! I have only seen it done the other way around; First drying and then fermenting with heat in a box. But does your way of fermenting get rid of the ammonia in the leaf in the same way a ”traditional” fermentation would do?
Yes it sure does. The chlorophyll comes out and can smell it in the shed. Makes for a good smoke and have been using this process all year. Once the leaf is cured and dried it can be stored for years.
I see! For how long do you usually leave the leaves in the fermenting pile?
What he is doing is making tobacco for cigarettes. Cigar tobacco is treated differently which is why they smell and taste different when you smoke them.
If you want that cigar type tobacco, then you take the leaves he has at the point of shredding, and instead of shredding them, you need to ferment them in a hot, moist environment. It's almost like the early stage of composting where the leaves break down a bit and release ammonia. They also darken.
If you have a ton of leaves then you stack them into a compost like pile as they do on the plantations. Otherwise you have to replicate the conditions inside a box.
You could probably do it by putting the leaves in a container and actually burying it inside a compost pile for a few weeks. Something to try out.
@@nickkitchener6155 Thats very good advice he skipped the next lvl of fermenting process. better still put the leaves in a ziplock bag , spray a little water in it for moisture. Zip up the bag and put it on the dashboard of your car.. each day open it up air it out .. rince and repeat for 4- 5 days each day you do this, you will smell compost.. keep going with the open up dry out in the bag, moisten again .. around the 6 -7 day .. open it up and it will smell like chocolate, a very sweet smell .. then you know its done. Dry, cut and smoke 😤 👍
I got some Alaskan type do they still give you the satisfaction like a commercial cigarette with less chemicals?
I got used to it.
Where do you get the cutter from?
www.gentlemenscorner.co.nz/tobacco_cutting_machines.html
baz from nz where did u get yr tobacco shredder from
This looks awesome I wanna try this. Sorry if you mentioned this in the video, I have trouble paying attention but how far north do these grow?
What country are you in ?
@@robmurphy5548 Norway close to the capitol like 60 degrees north. I think we get most of our tobacco from the us
@@Karl_Marksman u should be able maybe. Im in the Netherlands which isnt tropical at all, we can grow tobacco, plant them in April. And pick them when the tip of the leave starts yellowing. They always do that over here. Idk why i see ppl in other countries pick them fully green.
allo, good job ! Tell me if my understanding is ok ? With about 2 plant you made 100gr of tobacco ? I must me wrong no, yes ?
Hi. Yes average about 50g cured per plant.
@@robmurphy5548 merci ! thank you
Hi there Rob, l grew my first Virgina Gold this year, and l dried it and then tried to smoke it, will it went up in flames. l have been watching and most of the process is for commercial use. l let them air dry and then cut them down. l have seen now some that state to water it and leave in jars, which l am trying, but l have others that are dried in in a bag. How do l property process / ferment them, watched your two videos but still not sure what to do as they are super dry right now. Please let me know. thank you
Sorry mate that lot is passed it. Plant again in early spring and try the method as shown. Cheers.
Hi rob thx for the video mate did you yellow the leaves in the towel then dried them ?
Yes. Fermented first yo yellow, then hang to dry.
Lol katchafire in the background
What grinder is that and if you could please tell me where you got it from?
Spaghetti noodle making machine will do the same process
do you ferment before hanging or hang before ferment?
grew, picked and cured but couldn't get a throat burn out of em? Kinda like smoking yandi green. Where am I going wrong!
Interesting. What plant variety?
@@robmurphy5548 Nicotiana tabacum. Not sure other then that.
Im at the stage where i have dried the leaves and they are the same as yours.
Im taking the stalks out now,
My question is do i need to leave them to age or are ready to smoke now?
If you have a lot then they can be stored in sacks and will mellow with time. If they a crispy dry put a bunch in a big plastic container with a cabbage leaf overnight. They need to be leathery when you shred them. If to wet leave in the sun for 10 - 20 minutes.
How long would you say they take to dry
I had some young leaves and they are taking forever to go brown
Did you ferment them to yellow first? If you dry them green they will stay green.
its taste good and dont burn my throat if i burn my own havana gold sun and air cured ?
wihtout fermentation ?
did you say pull the seeds off for better leaves?
Yes . Snap the whole flower steam off. That way the plant spends energy on the leaves and not the seeds. Save one plant for seed production
What kind of grinder/ shredder is that? Looks like an old pencil sharpener
It broke so I got a better one on the net.
how much gram u get roughly for 20-30 plants golden virginia
About 70 to 100 grams per plant depending on size. Raise seeds indoors end of winter and plant early spring for big plants.
A hundred dollars for a hundred grams!? Where are you? I live in one of the more expensive US states where cigarettes are about 10 dollars a pack. But a pound (453 1.2 grams) of tobacco is $23.49
New Zealand
@@robmurphy5548 The UK apparently has really high tobacco prices too. I thought you had a mild UK accent and so I was looking around for tobacco prices in England and they appear to be around the same price as NZ. Thanks.
Where did u get that grinder I really like it ?
www.google.com/search?q=tobacco+shredder&oq=tobbaco+shredd&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i13l5j0i13i457j0i13j0i22i30.11460j0j4&client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=mSaV5H0gVGckhM
Thanks can you buy those shredders here in NZ or did you make it ?
It broke not long after that and I got this one which can handle volume and bigger leaf.
www.wickedhabits.nz/product/tobacco-cutter-rs100-plus-ts021
Thanks again !
Cześć, jeśli chodzi o rodzj maszynki tego rodzaju (walki) to ja mam coś lepszego za 1700 $ i jeśli po każdym cięciu jej nie umyje w ciepłej wodzie i potem jej nie przedmucham kompresorem 10 bar to jej nazajutrz nie uruchomię, zawsze trzeba ją czyścić i dmuchać w dodatku one nie są do tytoniu z łodyga. Pozdrawiam Nowa Zelandie
The cat sleeping there might even help with the temp
how do u get the leaves to be pliabe when dried and not brittle?
Store in a large container with a cabbage leaf for 12 - 24 hours.
I’m growing a few plants this year, my question is can I use these leaves to roll “blunts?” Or is that a specific type of tobacco? Great video!
It will take you a few years to ferment the leaves to make smokeable "cigar" wraps from what I understand. Cigar wraps are the same wraps you want for sticky icky
Only the best leaves are used for cigar wraps. If you want them quickly ferment until past yellow to more brown then hang to dry. Put in tub and poor hot water over to rinse out some of the tar and nicotine. Hang to dry again. You can repeat this for mild smooth smoke. Reintroduce moisture with apple slice or cabbage leaf to soften then roll up. Leave to dry then store in humidor. Or smoke as required.
I had a difficult time, but maybe the leaf wasn't the right humidity? I got it rolled but it was too floppy and hard to smoke.
I think the trick is to roll it, then let it dry.
Was wondering if one could wrap a leaf around a pen or smaller cylinder, let it cure that way, then fill it with the green shrubbery? Not sure how spit glue would hold up, but rolling paper glue is made from golden roasted corn starch and water.
Anyway, I got about 20 maybe more plants, and for the past couple weeks I have been harvesting bottom leaves, but nothing is quite ready for spliff loads yet.
I need to get, or make one of those tobacco slicer-dicers!
@@sekovittol3124 the growing process is new to me, but I’m somewhat familiar with cigar rolling. For glue, you can use honey, cigar glue (it’s flavorless and cheap), or just canning fruit pectin. Once you roll a cigar it’s best to let it air dry for a week then age a couple months at the right humidity (70ish percent) to let it reach a consistent moisture level among the leaves. For a homemade blunt, I would think use the driest leaf you can still roll. Then leave it out to dry for a day or two after rolling. That should help the cigar leaf burn better and tighten up around the contents.
@@clayveldkamp6739 So far, I just tear a rectangle off leaf I cured in a pizza box.
put it in a paper, and make a spliff that is delightfully rich.
How long does it take to cure in regards of seed to smoking time on average? Thanks Brother
6 months at the earliest.
Hi Rob. For leaves that turn yellow on the plant, are you still ‘curing’ them, or just hang them straight up to dry? Price of smokes here in NZ I need to start growing 🤣
Thats why i started growing. Yes they will need time in the blankets but you will look at them each day and wipe them down. A bit more yellow won't hurt. Hang them up before the yellow goes brown and rots. The curing is more fermentation.
Awesome.
Great vid! Thanks. How do you store it?
Once cured and dry it can be stored for years in sacks. When you want to grind it take 20 leaves and put in a container with a cabbage leaf for 24 hours to soften. The shred it and put in an air tight jar and fill your tin for smoking. If a bit damp leave in the sun for 20 minutes.
Thanks Rob that’s fantastic!
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can someone tell me the name of that machine his using
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Hey Rob, thanks for this mate, are you in NZ?
Hey. Yep NZ
@@robmurphy5548 appreciate the vid mate, I'm a pipe smoker and it's damn expensive here, wish the government would just leave us alone.
@@squarepantsdance
We can’t win either way. NZ medical system, we pay massive tax for smokes, supposedly to help offset the cost of treating people with smoking related issues. I need back surgery after blowing my back out in construction. Received a letter from the hospital that said blah, blah, blah and because I smoke there’s no operation being offered. I was fit, no health problems, no medications and correct BMI working in a physical environment. But put smoker on your file and well. Could we have our smoke tax back you thieving bastards.
Other than that, Rob has been a great source of knowledge, my plants are outside in Wellsford doing well, fuck em!!
100g in today's moneys about 200+ dollars lol
Where did you get your shredder from?
Ebay or trademe.co.nz.
Is this for cigarettes?
Yes.