Story 1: parents got their much deserved karma. They blamed their child for their own actions, they refused to see that all this hate against an innocent person was gonna comeback in the worst way possible. Story 2: OPs son was right until the ex thing. OP was USED by his ex as a cover up. I dont care if she is a lesbian, she used an innocent man and bonded with his son with the intent of playing pretend until she was okay to move on. Its just shitty!His ex didnt care about his mental health, self-steem, his pain, his time! I'm so sorry for what OP is going through!
He does. However, he’s let that trauma and anger drag himself down a very dark path. His son caught that and it’s good he did. OP was on his way to recovery after hooking up with E until life decided to take a dump on him
Except for the fact that he still ignored his father's feelings and wanted him to apologize to his mom . Even though he had every right to say what he said . What that woman did is with the lgbtq community hates the most . Using someone to hide yourself without their knowledge or consent @@NeoCreo1
@@NeoCreo1*TEACHER YOUR CHILD TO DO RIGHT!* What the child observed *THAT* it was OK to *LIED* and be *ABUSIVE* to another *HUMAN BEING.* *_THAT IT WAS OK TO BE ABUSIVE TO ONESELF._*
2nd story: so that dude got used and abused by the ex for 11 YEARS but HE is the one who who was wrong and forced to apologize for his feelings to his abuser by his son.... Why is it that men are not allowed to have their justified feelings?
@@r.i.pmydog7723so just get your ass straight before hurting anyone else that way op would also having a good life and do not have think about raping her
I feel like y'all are assuming that she "lied" instead of figured it out. What if you never knew you were gay because people told you that the way you treated men looked like love to them? What if everyone just assumed it and you went along to get along? This isn't the norm now, but people in their 40s were raised presumed straight. The rest of it, 100% on her and no excuses, but it IS possible she didn't know. How do you know what your feelings are if no one ever taught you how to process them or what they meant?
I really don’t like OP’s son in story #2. His behavior was really out of line. 1. He thinks he knows better for OP than OP himself does. As an introvert, I know it makes me angry when people criticize me for wanting to be alone sometimes. 2. OP’s ex did waste eleven years of his life, son knows this, and he still demanded that OP apologize to her for calling her out on it. He cares more about her than about OP, and that’s gross. That’s not good or supportive.
Bruh I thought I was tripping 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I was like he should've disowned his butt for that!!! He literally went to her house!!! And snitch like a brat he was
Yes. And seems to me the son is mentally weak, considering his reasoning is very NPC, single is bad, she is lesbian so she is not wrong, even though he definitely know what his father went through. But then again the first one who made the mistake regarding the son is OP, for allowing custody to that... thing.
Story 2. He is NTA and as a queer female i am disgusted by not only the closeted wife but the entitled son as well. If my children ever acted like this i would disown them entirely. The husband is entitled to have his feelings and the wife for sure cheated as well as abused him mentally by making sure he felt like a rapist.
@Rogue_Centurion queer means not heterosexual. Could be gay or bi or some other lable as to what you want to be partnered with, queer is just an easier way to say it. Trans has nothing to do with being queer and is totally separate. Being demi sexual does not mean your queer tho because that means you have to have an emotional connection or you're not interested in coitus at all.
@Rogue_Centurion the new age LGBTQ blah blah blah, most of us old timer "OG" queers have zero to do with this new stuff. I didn't get bashed, as in literally beaten almost to death for not being hetero, just to get bullied and beat on by dudes in dresses who could never even be half the female I am even if they cut off their bits and swim faster than females. Being gay or queer has nothing, absolutely zero to do with changing genders. The 2 things are not connected at all. Gay/queer also doesn't mean let's make the crazies more crazy by affirming their mental illnesses. 2 very different things. If you had to ask the first question then chances are you are currently floundering in our current geopolitical climate.
Story nr 2 OP is not the AH. There is nothing wrong with being gay and there is nothing wrong with coming out on your own time!! But it is verry cruel to use someone and lead them on for so many years. OP should not apologize
Agreed. It's not the gayness that's the problem. The problem is OP was lied to and lead on when OP could have been building a life with someone that WASN'T using them as a beard.
I feel sorry for the guy because he went to therapy to get some help, and the Therapists cared more about his Ex coming out than how it has effected him. Yeah I'd stop going to if I needed help navigating feelings and the person I'm PAYING to help me is more interested in supporting the person who has given me these feelings. The Ex is not having issues, she's okay.
I agree. The son shouldn’t have demanded that. He knows damn well that his mother wasted years of his father’s life, and was a bad partner during that time, but he still thought OP was wrong to call her out. What a brat.
It makes me sick that the therapists care more about the gay ex than about OP. I would refuse to pay my bill for those sort of jerks and report them to the APA. That son is a mama’s boy and should be disowned. That ex gives gay people a bad name.
I feel bad for OP in story two, he had his son who helped him improve his life… and passed later on… that is honestly heartbreaking. I hope he can recover at least a little.
It honestly pains me to read the comments here. No ones talking about the kid but everyone's talking about how terrible the wife was. Yeah she wasn't the best person but man.. I got completely blindsided when he said his kid passed. I know I don't know the kid but he seemed like a genuine guy who only wanted what's best for his family. R.I.P young man. Forever 17 ❤🕊
I got second hand embarrassment from the father, imagine saying that to your own son like if you were actually good enough you’d have made it either way, plenty of them do it 😂
I'm just on the second minute and already disgusted by the dad's behavior. I mean tf you mean your daughter ruined your life. YOU ARE THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING HER TO LIFE
U never understood why parents blamed kids for ruining their life when they’re the ones that decided to be irresponsible, have sex young, don’t use protection. You ruined your own life.
I’ve started to dread a final part after the happy ending. It’s been a few stories now where everything goes to shit right at the end because of a death
I heard Story 1 before, it’s a good one! My sympathies to OP, but I’m glad it worked out for him. Living well is the best revenge, and you reap what you sow.
story 1. seems like grandpa knew he was gunna pass soon after grandma did. i feel like he wanted to get the house back into 100% working order because he knew OP would likely be living there after he passed. even when you were helping him he was helping you :)
I'm a bi chick and OP #2 isn't the asshole. I know homophobia is a big issue in the world that makes lots of gay ppl's lives shitty, but that doesn't mean that our actions don't have consequences, and we can't excuse all of the harm we do by just saying "I had internalized homophobia so it's not my fault." Getting into a relationship where you know you don't want to commit, know that you can't provide intimacy, know that you don't actually have any romantic or sexual interest in your partner, etc is just straight up irresponsible and she can't run away from the harm and hurt she caused with "I was a closeted lesbian" as an excuse. Sad story, still sucky behavior, and OP has the right to feel used/manipulated. Her emotional issues are hers to improve (maybe with therapy), not for some random man to be responsible for fixing her/being a shield for her to not confront her sexuality
Stories like this irk me because I've always seen people say the husband is a terrible person when he comes out, but when it's the wife people don't have that same disdain. Ruining someone's life by lying like that is despicable, full stop. Someone who does that doesn't deserve sympathy. If you're set on lying about your sexuality then tell a lie that doesn't completely shatter a person's world.
S3: so the parents disowned him and cut him off because he got his sister arrested, well that’s clearly a show of favouritism, they all knew his lifestyle and that was his own choice, as an adult he has a right to do what he wants when he wants how he wants and they have no say, the mother and sister are just sad for not understanding the situation and anyone defending the sister needs to stop, she should have kept her nose out of business that had nothing and I mean nothing to do with her
Story 3: the sister and mother are worried that OP is an adult and no longer a victim of their insanity. The mother should be also locked up for being the root cause of all this insanity.
Story two everyone but op is a terrible person his ex used him and mentally hurt him for months and then his son forced him to say sorry which is crazy op is better then me cause at that point my son is disowned and no one wants to take ops side cause she’s gay which is just wild I’m sorry the son died but it’s crazy he did that
The final update of Story 2 was a kick to the teeth... I feel so sad for OP. No parent should have to bury their child, especially before their kid is an adult...
Op in story 1 I am so sorry for you my mum wood tell me and my brother that she never wanted us and we were mistakes and I no it hurts but keep you head up
great job on shedding light about difficult family dynamics, it takes a lot of courage to share such personal experiences. but honestly, i wonder if there’s a case for some parents being overwhelmed rather than entitled? sometimes, the lines seem blurry, and it's worth discussing how systemic issues might influence their behavior.
Story 2: The son really made things difficult. His father is a broken man, I get wanting to push his father to move on. But his mother destroyed his father. The father trusted that woman more than anyone and everything was a lie. He was used, betrayed from day 1 and was discarded after 11 years. She DID waste 11 years of his life and he owes nothing to her. The son seems to had no issue with his mother’s lies and betrayal, yet will cut his father off for telling her the truth. Then the tragic end with the son 😢. Life has beaten the father down and I hope someone can reach him in the darkest days of his life.
this video was really powerful, thanks for sharing your story. it makes me think though, aren't we all a bit responsible for how we treat each other? like, parenting isn’t easy, but shouldn’t we also consider that some kids grow up feeling unwanted due to a lack of communication? i believe it's a two-way street.
It's amazing how 2 people have sex, get pregnant and then blame the baby. As if they weren't the ones who created it because they're too stupid to use BC.
this video was really powerful and well-made. i appreciate how it highlights the struggles faced by many. that said, i wonder if there’s a risk of overgeneralizing about all parents based on a few bad experiences. not every parent is like that, right? it feels a bit harsh to label them all because of a few unfortunate situations.
Story 3. Yea your sister was normal at first, i mean like their are so many stories of people being caught by friends or family cheating on their spouse or sleeping with some one and that person saying nothing. Your sister may not have known of the arrangement or understood it completely and she was being a good sister at first.
Honey most of these stories are way above Reddits pay grade and most of the reviewers see and know that and so they want OP to have someone who actually knows what they're doing help them out. Better to have someone competent giving advice than taking it from Internet stranger trolls.
Yeah, I know, lol... but if it helps, mostly they're taking about behavioral therapy, not psychotherapy. Those are VERY different things. It's not laying on a couch talking about your feelings for $300/hr like you see on TV. Behavioral therapy can help most people, but it's really more like "Life-hacks" you see in magazines and social media. Just a quick breakdown of the different mental health services, for the sake of disambiguation. • Psychiatry This is for treatment of mental illness and addiction. It deals with chemical imbalances or physical trauma within the brain. It's actual medical science, these are the people who write prescriptions and work on treatments for diagnosed aliments. • Psychology This is the study of how the mind works. Why do people make the decisions they do, why do they see the world the way they do, etc. When you see therapists on TV, this is usually what they're showing. It can have therapeutic applications, but that's not really where this science is best applied. There are more psychologists working in marketing and election campaigns than in medicine. • Behavioral therapy This acknowledges that people don't change. Not that they "can't" change, but usually they don't. What we see as change in a person is usually attributable to a change in the circumstances they're responding to. So this is more about changing little things in you life to manipulate those circumstances to your benefit. The example I always give: Imagine you're an alcoholic seeking treatment. What can each of these professions do for you and how? The Psychiatrist can help mitigate withdrawal symptoms with various prescription drugs. They can give you medications that will remove the pleasurable sensation of being drunk so you have less incentive to drink. They go at the addiction head-on. The Psychologist is more focused on WHY you drink. Is it something you engage in when your depressed? Is it cultural influence or peer pressure? The idea is if you better understand why you drink, or how your drinking effects others, you will be better equipped to take action. The Therapist is the person who says "You always drink with the guys from work on Friday nights. Why don't you see if you can change your work schedule so you're busy then?" A simple strategy to avoid the circumstances that contribute to the problem. They're the ones who say "there are no former alcoholics" because they do not expect you to change at all. But that doesn't mean you can't manipulate your individual circumstances so you are less tempted to continue with the destructive behavior. So a therapist is just an objective third party who realizes that you have the capacity for good or bad behavior, and your behavior is dictated largely by your environment. So change the environment and you behavior changes as a result. It's like when your company brings in an "efficiency expert" to streamline workflows, or a safety consultant to improve safety. They're the same principles, not unlike OSHA training, or Six-Sigma, but applied to your daily life. You also have "Relationship Counsolers" (that could be marital, family, professional, etc)... in this sense, they're basically mediators between parties. It's just like behavioral therapy but with more constraints because the strategies employed have to work for multiple parties. The truth is, nobody actually "Needs" a therapist, but they can be helpful for a lot of people because they have objectivity, and experience to know what strategies work well for most people, so you don't try a million wrong things first. But 99% of their advice is pretty obvious. When people ask Reddit for advice, they're doing exactly what you would do in therapy. The difference is a licensed professional, VS some random jackass on the internet, lol.
I can’t tell if this is supposed to be a comment dissing the jackasses on Reddit or if this is you being one of those people who don’t believe in therapy😭
@@kurieita7607 I do believe in therapy, but if I had a drink every time I read a Reddit story and OP or someone else mentions therapy, I'd need a new liver VERY fast. And it's often because of some minor stuff like someone making a dumb comment that offended another person or an argument/misunderstanding.
At 9:12 (2nd story), I had to stop washing dishes and dry my hands, so I could reset the video to go back 20 seconds to make sure I really heard what I thought I heard. Well, I did hear it correctly the first time- so I can't help but laugh because my 19 year old son has said the exact same thing to me, verbatim- other than changing the sex of the intended advice recipient (I am female) from 'Dad' to 'Mom'. It seems that the young adults of this generation think they have more or better life experience to share than their parents do!
If he had “minded his own fucking business” the dad would never have contacted E and started a relationship with her. It’s clear as day that he’s deeply troubled from his divorce and in denial about how much it’s damaged him.
Story 2: OP needs to either find a different therapist, self help books about his type of divorce circumstances, and/or find an online support group for divorced people whose marriages ended due to part er’s true sexual orientation. Considering divorces due to spouses coming out are more heard of these days, it’s possible support groups for people in his situation exist. After finishing Story 2: 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
How can a crazy person have a point? She didn't care that it was happening at his home, she cared that it was happening at all. Those stalker pictures were from many different places. You saying it didn't need to be at their place is you putting yourself in the situation. If he didn't care about his gf being with others then he didn't care about it being at home. Maybe they felt it was safer for her there.
Story 2 really pisses me off. Whenever a gay person usues a hetero person as a shield before finally coming out of the closest theyre always hailed as a "hero" and "so brave!" Noone ever looks at the hurt and pain they cause the person theyve lied to and often times cheated on for YEARS. And if the hetero person is upset or hurt they are accused of being homophobic or told they have no right to be hurt or that they should just "move on" like they haven't just been traumatized and found out that their entire relationship and life has been a lie and fake. That the person they were so in love with never existed or at the very least never actually loved them at all.
Story #1: OP = NTA *The World's Smallest Violins 👌🏻🎻👌🏻 🎻 👌🏻 for Sperm Donor & Birthgiver and Golden Child!sibling !!!* 😂😂😂 Late Grandpa = MVP CHAD 💯🦾🤩🥲🥲
Story 2: NTA. OP was lied too for 11 years and the way he talks about what his ex said... she absolutely used him as a sheild and quite obviously wrecked him emotionally. OP is obviously a introverted person and the son decides to just saying he doesn't understand why his dad doesn't date and likes to enjoy what he does... Almost like the combination of being introverted and trauma does that to people. The OP would be better off without his disrespectful A hole of a kid and absuer of a ex. It seems he found someone to hang out with who cares for him in some respect. To be clear if you think the ex didn't abuse him... you are wrong.
Did you pay attention at all bro? Or did you turn off the video halfway through? The son is dead, and OP is working to kill himself so that he can see him again. Also, the son was absolutely spot-on because as soon as he tried contacting E they hit it off amazingly and he immediately started turning himself around. There is a massive difference between being an introvert and isolating yourself from everyone due to depression and trauma. Staying shut away will NOT help, you have to force yourself to go out to start getting better.
@@NeoCreo1 I turned it off after he apologised to his son. He has 0 spine and his trauma was legitimate and his son shouldn't have insulted him like that.
@@Twist-The-Friendly-Hunter His trauma was indeed legitimate, which is why his son confronted him. Isolating himself from the world is not going to magically fix his trauma, it’s only going to worsen it. This can be seen by him gushing over E and starting to turn his life around. It takes far more spine to swallow your pride and listen to someone else than to continue to stew in your trauma and anger and isolate your self from the world. I highly recommend not spouting off without actually getting all of the facts, it makes you come off as ignorant.
@@NeoCreo1 you are quite clearly ignorant here. You are the kind of person to say "man up" or "get over it, it's in the past" to someone who has suffered trauma and the OP had suffered and did what anyone would do. Locked himself away to feel safe. His son had no right to say what he did and expect his dad to be like, oh you are right. It was insulting and his son was a complete asshole who couldn't even see his mom as a abuser.
@@Twist-The-Friendly-Hunter No, the ignorant one is still you. I was in the exact same place as the dad, though for different reasons. Self-isolating due to trauma and stewing in my own pain and anger. I would never have gotten out of that space without people to force me out, and I doubt he would have either. I am not someone that is dismissive of trauma or its lasting effects. However, I’m also fully aware of just how in denial a traumatized person can get in terms of their trauma even while it’s destroying them in ways apparent to everyone. You need an intervention in those cases, because you will not be the one to take that first step by yourself. The son was harsh, but confronting him on his isolationism was not an asshole thing to do. The father being traumatized and resenting his ex is also not wrong. What’s wrong is that he’s on a self-destructive path trying to deal with it.
2nd OP doesn’t need to apologize, but he is being a bitter asshole. He doesn’t need to move on, but he should acknowledge his son only has his best interests at heart
@@NeoCreo1I still see that his son had in mind only to have his two parental figures around him and not OP's feelings. Nothing changes that, yes i saw the whole story. The son still did wrong, he didn't comfort his father, and made clear that If he had to choose he would chose the stepmom. The fact that his gone doesn't erase what he did.
First story, it's sad that your parents couldn't just resist the urge not to have sex until they're stable. This was their fault for not making better choices. Hell, they couldn't even adopt op out and go live their lives. Second story, op was an ass for the comment towards his son. But, he shouldn't have apologized to his ex.
No one is the AH in Story 2, just a messy situation. The son was right that OP is being dragged down by his emotional baggage from his divorce and should get out and try to find someone. This is not an introvert being comfortable alone, it’s a troubled individual retreating into himself. The OP is right to be resentful of his ex for hooking up with him for 11 years despite knowing she was gay, but it’s not so clear cut as she was some manipulative or malicious figure, just a troubled individual that made poor decisions that hurt someone else. His apology was the correct one. Don’t apologize for the feelings, as he does have a point, just for lashing out at her when she was trying to help (though again, she should have had the foresight to see that would happen, since she’s obviously the cause of his behavior).
story 2, the guy was a bit harsh to his son, so I get why the son would get upset at his dad, but the son still was out of line for trying to lecture his dad so I get why the dad would get upset over his son getting out of line. Both could have handled that situation better. The lesbian ex should have minded her own business, so she got exactly what she deserved from acting like she had any say to a man she led on and lied to for years. After what she did to OP she has absolutely no right to say anything about his life, his decisions, or try to still embed herself as "family" or act like someone with his best interests in mind.
God forbid people care about OP and try to help him. Even his own mother called his ass out BC he was wrong but the misogynists in the comments... His son had every right to talk to his dad. He did it cause he cared about him. His ex was just trying to help and so was his mom. He was just lashing out because he never got therapy because he gave up after one shitty therapist, and blamed everybody else for his misery and resented them their happiness.
@@sweeety969 No, considering how their relationship ended, and how he had to find out everything about it was a lie, including her sexuality, I understand why he acted the way he did with her. She lied for 11 years and it hurt him deeply. She led him on. What she did was wrong by staying in that relationship for 11 years, and she's dumb if she thought he wouldn't react to her saying she and OP are "family." She's an ex, and she should have understood the way she ended things with him would cause a deep wound and she lost the right to act like she has his best interests in mind or say anything about his personal life.
While I agree with you, in cases like this, the sister had no right to interfere, they are adults and if that works for them, they have no right to get involved. If they were cheating, i.e. going behind each other’s backs, yes, every right to intervene, but in this case, you can give your opinion on it, once, but that’s it, everyone has the right to live as they see fit and if it’s a mistake they need to make it on their own and learn from it😊
12:22 the therapy isnt going to work because he wont actually put the work in therapy only works when someone legitimately wants to make a change in their life hes just going to humor his kid everything will go on one ear and out the other
Story 2: Kind of an AH. OP was suffering from depression and that caused him to lash out at his son who was trying to help him. OP abandoned therapy because he got the wrong therapist. That compounded his feelings of disdain for his ex for suppressing that she's a lesbian. The problem with that is he blamed her not her upbringing which taught her that homosexuality is wrong. He's an AH because he's refusing to admit that he went through trauma and needs help which is hurting people around him.
S3 op and his gf is disgusting if they had told his sister that they are in a open relationship she wouldn't be protective over her brother now his ruined her life
She should've minded her own damn business op didn't do anything wrong she wrong for jumping to conclusions op said he wouldn't break up he explained why he wasn't breaking up, she decided to stalk both of them and commit a crime she not a child she a grown ass woman this is no one but her fault this is op relationship and op personal life. She should've focus on herself Just say you have an issue with people who are in open relationship and move on
@@MunsterFrizbee I would tell them because in the end they would accuse him of cheating on me and if they saw me with another guy they would also accuse me and disown me
@@HeoBaby24 I do because it's disgusting and wrong if you want a open relationship just break up with each other and how was the sister meant to know he was in a open relationship he never told her
Story 2: YTA - BUT, I do really understand what he's feeling. He shouldn't have lashed out at either of them as they were genuinely trying to help, but he's clearly still in a dark place and his son (especially) was right.
His son dosent have a right to tell his father how to date, and the ex of all people has no right to say anything as she was the one who caused his problems by leaving him just up in the blue.
She never really cared for op and now that his son is gone she has gone basically zero contact, and op is letting himself die, she is a horrible women that lead him on for 11 years, she is a terrible person who only cared for her own feelings i hope she breaks down after op is gone too
His son was wrong. Dead wrong. Mom did one of the most fucked up things you can do to a person, but she gets to just move on with her life while leaving this poor man with a mountain of trauma. In my opinion, she basically SAed him, but in a way that makes HIM feel like the abuser and not the victim. That's so terrible, I can't even start.
@@cricket5692 and speaking as a gay man, what she did was unacceptable, I understand she was forced to live a lie but she just threw him asside. Also seems like lesbians tend to do this more than gay men, ie throw asside your partner when you coke out, or at least in anecdotal experience
@@dogguy8603 a little better than staying in the fake relationships (putting a beard on them) and building an art room for their APs as it looks like gay men tend to do this more.
Be betrayed and then forced to hear the same people who hurted you try to give you shitty adivice. Just stop being stupid, we know you're also an ass to people. He was miserable himself because of the ex. They were stupid by doing that and went too far. His son showed that he would choose his stepmom over OP (If he was still alive). Try to see yourself in OP's shoes and not on other's shoes.
Story 1: parents got their much deserved karma. They blamed their child for their own actions, they refused to see that all this hate against an innocent person was gonna comeback in the worst way possible.
Story 2: OPs son was right until the ex thing. OP was USED by his ex as a cover up. I dont care if she is a lesbian, she used an innocent man and bonded with his son with the intent of playing pretend until she was okay to move on. Its just shitty!His ex didnt care about his mental health, self-steem, his pain, his time! I'm so sorry for what OP is going through!
Wtf is wrong with these ppl. His wife wasted that much time to come out and he has every right to be pissed at her.
He does. However, he’s let that trauma and anger drag himself down a very dark path. His son caught that and it’s good he did. OP was on his way to recovery after hooking up with E until life decided to take a dump on him
Except for the fact that he still ignored his father's feelings and wanted him to apologize to his mom . Even though he had every right to say what he said . What that woman did is with the lgbtq community hates the most . Using someone to hide yourself without their knowledge or consent @@NeoCreo1
@@NeoCreo1*TEACHER YOUR CHILD TO DO RIGHT!* What the child observed *THAT* it was OK to *LIED* and be *ABUSIVE* to another *HUMAN BEING.*
*_THAT IT WAS OK TO BE ABUSIVE TO ONESELF._*
So she wasted years of his life and cheats on him but he's the bad guy?
You know how reddit is. I think anyone posting stories in reddit should wait until they were put in youtube videos.
where did she cheated?
@@HeoBaby24 she's a lesbian and it was a decade, she was getting it elsewhere.
@@georgeprchal3924 by your logic he was cheating too
2nd story: so that dude got used and abused by the ex for 11 YEARS but HE is the one who who was wrong and forced to apologize for his feelings to his abuser by his son....
Why is it that men are not allowed to have their justified feelings?
right? wheres the ex wifes apology to OP for being a liar and user for 11 years?, 11years!!, no wonder he's hurt, i would be too in his place.
i feel more bad for her imaging living a lie for 11 year trying to deny who you really are id so sad. she is the real victim
@@r.i.pmydog7723so just get your ass straight before hurting anyone else that way op would also having a good life and do not have think about raping her
@@r.i.pmydog7723what is wrong with you, she is not the victim somthing is realy wrong in your head
I feel like y'all are assuming that she "lied" instead of figured it out. What if you never knew you were gay because people told you that the way you treated men looked like love to them? What if everyone just assumed it and you went along to get along?
This isn't the norm now, but people in their 40s were raised presumed straight.
The rest of it, 100% on her and no excuses, but it IS possible she didn't know. How do you know what your feelings are if no one ever taught you how to process them or what they meant?
I really don’t like OP’s son in story #2. His behavior was really out of line.
1. He thinks he knows better for OP than OP himself does. As an introvert, I know it makes me angry when people criticize me for wanting to be alone sometimes.
2. OP’s ex did waste eleven years of his life, son knows this, and he still demanded that OP apologize to her for calling her out on it. He cares more about her than about OP, and that’s gross.
That’s not good or supportive.
Bruh I thought I was tripping 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I was like he should've disowned his butt for that!!! He literally went to her house!!! And snitch like a brat he was
Yes. And seems to me the son is mentally weak, considering his reasoning is very NPC, single is bad, she is lesbian so she is not wrong, even though he definitely know what his father went through. But then again the first one who made the mistake regarding the son is OP, for allowing custody to that... thing.
And the OP is also weak as well, every (good) parents wants their children to be happy, but being right should be more prioritized.
Story 2. He is NTA and as a queer female i am disgusted by not only the closeted wife but the entitled son as well. If my children ever acted like this i would disown them entirely. The husband is entitled to have his feelings and the wife for sure cheated as well as abused him mentally by making sure he felt like a rapist.
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So I’ve always been a little confused about this, but what does Queer mean in the LGBTQ?
@Rogue_Centurion queer means not heterosexual. Could be gay or bi or some other lable as to what you want to be partnered with, queer is just an easier way to say it. Trans has nothing to do with being queer and is totally separate. Being demi sexual does not mean your queer tho because that means you have to have an emotional connection or you're not interested in coitus at all.
@@talathewolf6723 ok thanks I was always curious what the Q meant and why it was there as I’m kinda ignorant about the LGBTQ meanings
@Rogue_Centurion the new age LGBTQ blah blah blah, most of us old timer "OG" queers have zero to do with this new stuff. I didn't get bashed, as in literally beaten almost to death for not being hetero, just to get bullied and beat on by dudes in dresses who could never even be half the female I am even if they cut off their bits and swim faster than females. Being gay or queer has nothing, absolutely zero to do with changing genders. The 2 things are not connected at all. Gay/queer also doesn't mean let's make the crazies more crazy by affirming their mental illnesses. 2 very different things. If you had to ask the first question then chances are you are currently floundering in our current geopolitical climate.
Story nr 2 OP is not the AH. There is nothing wrong with being gay and there is nothing wrong with coming out on your own time!! But it is verry cruel to use someone and lead them on for so many years. OP should not apologize
Agreed. It's not the gayness that's the problem. The problem is OP was lied to and lead on when OP could have been building a life with someone that WASN'T using them as a beard.
I feel sorry for the guy because he went to therapy to get some help, and the Therapists cared more about his Ex coming out than how it has effected him. Yeah I'd stop going to if I needed help navigating feelings and the person I'm PAYING to help me is more interested in supporting the person who has given me these feelings. The Ex is not having issues, she's okay.
God forbid queer people carry the trauma of homophobia and act like it.
Those 11 years weren't wasted if they learned, you can be burned but yeesh
I agree. The son shouldn’t have demanded that. He knows damn well that his mother wasted years of his father’s life, and was a bad partner during that time, but he still thought OP was wrong to call her out.
What a brat.
It makes me sick that the therapists care more about the gay ex than about OP. I would refuse to pay my bill for those sort of jerks and report them to the APA. That son is a mama’s boy and should be disowned. That ex gives gay people a bad name.
I feel bad for OP in story two, he had his son who helped him improve his life… and passed later on… that is honestly heartbreaking.
I hope he can recover at least a little.
It honestly pains me to read the comments here. No ones talking about the kid but everyone's talking about how terrible the wife was.
Yeah she wasn't the best person but man.. I got completely blindsided when he said his kid passed. I know I don't know the kid but he seemed like a genuine guy who only wanted what's best for his family.
R.I.P young man. Forever 17 ❤🕊
The second story was heartbreaking... Jesus... Poor OP.
The son passes and OP in story 2 is considering ending it. That poor man. Poor E.
1st story: “I should have been a football star”
Oh hey uncle Rico, I didn’t know you had a family
I got second hand embarrassment from the father, imagine saying that to your own son like if you were actually good enough you’d have made it either way, plenty of them do it 😂
I'm just on the second minute and already disgusted by the dad's behavior. I mean tf you mean your daughter ruined your life. YOU ARE THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING HER TO LIFE
That minecraft world is turning up pretty nicely
2nd story so sorry, for his lost. I hope he doing ok and didn't self harm himself
Story 2: poor op his ex never really cared and i hope she feels extremely bad for the rest of her life
Christ, that ending for Story 2 is a gut ripper
Story 2: The ex wife lied to him for 11 years and just because she decided to came out he is to forget 11 wasted years of lies? Fuk that shit
U never understood why parents blamed kids for ruining their life when they’re the ones that decided to be irresponsible, have sex young, don’t use protection. You ruined your own life.
Exactly! They were just looking for a scapegoat
The ending of story 2 omg :"(
2nd story: damn... I didn't expect that ending
I’ve started to dread a final part after the happy ending. It’s been a few stories now where everything goes to shit right at the end because of a death
I heard Story 1 before, it’s a good one! My sympathies to OP, but I’m glad it worked out for him. Living well is the best revenge, and you reap what you sow.
story 1. seems like grandpa knew he was gunna pass soon after grandma did. i feel like he wanted to get the house back into 100% working order because he knew OP would likely be living there after he passed. even when you were helping him he was helping you :)
I'm a bi chick and OP #2 isn't the asshole. I know homophobia is a big issue in the world that makes lots of gay ppl's lives shitty, but that doesn't mean that our actions don't have consequences, and we can't excuse all of the harm we do by just saying "I had internalized homophobia so it's not my fault." Getting into a relationship where you know you don't want to commit, know that you can't provide intimacy, know that you don't actually have any romantic or sexual interest in your partner, etc is just straight up irresponsible and she can't run away from the harm and hurt she caused with "I was a closeted lesbian" as an excuse. Sad story, still sucky behavior, and OP has the right to feel used/manipulated. Her emotional issues are hers to improve (maybe with therapy), not for some random man to be responsible for fixing her/being a shield for her to not confront her sexuality
Stories like this irk me because I've always seen people say the husband is a terrible person when he comes out, but when it's the wife people don't have that same disdain. Ruining someone's life by lying like that is despicable, full stop. Someone who does that doesn't deserve sympathy. If you're set on lying about your sexuality then tell a lie that doesn't completely shatter a person's world.
Honestly she didn't have to come out as lesbian she could have just cheated with another man and it would still probably be the same.
2nd story op is totally in the right - she did waste 11 years of his life, used him to hide what she feels, lied to him, mistreated him.....
Story 2: nta. You don't have to apologize to anyone.
I don’t care if this is a hot take,just because your pregnant doesn’t mean you get to commit crimes and have people look the other wau
Story 1: OP's parents remind me of Van and Cheyenne from Reba but if they were bad parents instead of good parents.
S3: so the parents disowned him and cut him off because he got his sister arrested, well that’s clearly a show of favouritism, they all knew his lifestyle and that was his own choice, as an adult he has a right to do what he wants when he wants how he wants and they have no say, the mother and sister are just sad for not understanding the situation and anyone defending the sister needs to stop, she should have kept her nose out of business that had nothing and I mean nothing to do with her
Story 3: the sister and mother are worried that OP is an adult and no longer a victim of their insanity. The mother should be also locked up for being the root cause of all this insanity.
Story 1: so OP was at fault for the fact that they were horny teens and couldn't take the time to learn about contraceptives? 🤔 Explain how that works
The first story goes to show that not everyone should be a parent.
Yeah it's the parents own fault, who decided to get pregnant at 17
@@LilDemona That was preventable, by the way. Could have used condoms, birth control, etc.
Story two everyone but op is a terrible person his ex used him and mentally hurt him for months and then his son forced him to say sorry which is crazy op is better then me cause at that point my son is disowned and no one wants to take ops side cause she’s gay which is just wild I’m sorry the son died but it’s crazy he did that
He used her just as much
The final update of Story 2 was a kick to the teeth... I feel so sad for OP. No parent should have to bury their child, especially before their kid is an adult...
So op was lied to but still ta with serious issues 😂
S3 It's probably better that Ivy got arrested because she sounds too unwell to be a parent. I hope the BIL gets custody
Ivy was the girlfriend. Tasha was the sister.
The 2nd story should’ve had a warning label!
I wish that you had left off that last update.
Op in story 1 I am so sorry for you my mum wood tell me and my brother that she never wanted us and we were mistakes and I no it hurts but keep you head up
great job on shedding light about difficult family dynamics, it takes a lot of courage to share such personal experiences. but honestly, i wonder if there’s a case for some parents being overwhelmed rather than entitled? sometimes, the lines seem blurry, and it's worth discussing how systemic issues might influence their behavior.
story 2 has one fo the saddest endings ive heard here. also NTA
Story 2: The son really made things difficult. His father is a broken man, I get wanting to push his father to move on. But his mother destroyed his father. The father trusted that woman more than anyone and everything was a lie. He was used, betrayed from day 1 and was discarded after 11 years. She DID waste 11 years of his life and he owes nothing to her. The son seems to had no issue with his mother’s lies and betrayal, yet will cut his father off for telling her the truth.
Then the tragic end with the son 😢. Life has beaten the father down and I hope someone can reach him in the darkest days of his life.
this video was really powerful, thanks for sharing your story. it makes me think though, aren't we all a bit responsible for how we treat each other? like, parenting isn’t easy, but shouldn’t we also consider that some kids grow up feeling unwanted due to a lack of communication? i believe it's a two-way street.
I'm no expert in biology, but I'm pretty sure it takes a sperm from the xy chromosome and a egg from the xx chromosome to make a baby ya know 🤔 ?
Close, but sperm and eggs only have one chromosome each. Eggs always have an X, while sperm cells can have an X or a Y
It's amazing how 2 people have sex, get pregnant and then blame the baby. As if they weren't the ones who created it because they're too stupid to use BC.
*one sex-determinative chromosome...unless something goes wrong.
@@johnduquette7023 we on the spectrum call that the bonus chromo
Story 2 is why I'd never go to reddit to vent anything or ask for an opinion. I definitely wouldn't have apologized.
S2 definitely nta you have every right to be upset she wasted 11yrs of your life
this video was really powerful and well-made. i appreciate how it highlights the struggles faced by many. that said, i wonder if there’s a risk of overgeneralizing about all parents based on a few bad experiences. not every parent is like that, right? it feels a bit harsh to label them all because of a few unfortunate situations.
S2- My wife came out as a lesbian and wasted 11 years of my life.
Reddit- You're the AH, bigot.
Just say you didn't listen to the story
Story2 he son was sucker
Story 3. Yea your sister was normal at first, i mean like their are so many stories of people being caught by friends or family cheating on their spouse or sleeping with some one and that person saying nothing. Your sister may not have known of the arrangement or understood it completely and she was being a good sister at first.
most People are so dumb, dont even try to understand life just go through life thinking they know it all. Digusting
What's with Reddit and therapy? Soon we're gonna see a story about how OP needed to go to therapy because he misplaced a spoon.
Honey most of these stories are way above Reddits pay grade and most of the reviewers see and know that and so they want OP to have someone who actually knows what they're doing help them out. Better to have someone competent giving advice than taking it from Internet stranger trolls.
Yeah, I know, lol... but if it helps, mostly they're taking about behavioral therapy, not psychotherapy. Those are VERY different things. It's not laying on a couch talking about your feelings for $300/hr like you see on TV. Behavioral therapy can help most people, but it's really more like "Life-hacks" you see in magazines and social media.
Just a quick breakdown of the different mental health services, for the sake of disambiguation.
• Psychiatry
This is for treatment of mental illness and addiction. It deals with chemical imbalances or physical trauma within the brain. It's actual medical science, these are the people who write prescriptions and work on treatments for diagnosed aliments.
• Psychology
This is the study of how the mind works. Why do people make the decisions they do, why do they see the world the way they do, etc. When you see therapists on TV, this is usually what they're showing. It can have therapeutic applications, but that's not really where this science is best applied. There are more psychologists working in marketing and election campaigns than in medicine.
• Behavioral therapy
This acknowledges that people don't change. Not that they "can't" change, but usually they don't. What we see as change in a person is usually attributable to a change in the circumstances they're responding to. So this is more about changing little things in you life to manipulate those circumstances to your benefit.
The example I always give: Imagine you're an alcoholic seeking treatment. What can each of these professions do for you and how?
The Psychiatrist can help mitigate withdrawal symptoms with various prescription drugs. They can give you medications that will remove the pleasurable sensation of being drunk so you have less incentive to drink. They go at the addiction head-on.
The Psychologist is more focused on WHY you drink. Is it something you engage in when your depressed? Is it cultural influence or peer pressure? The idea is if you better understand why you drink, or how your drinking effects others, you will be better equipped to take action.
The Therapist is the person who says "You always drink with the guys from work on Friday nights. Why don't you see if you can change your work schedule so you're busy then?" A simple strategy to avoid the circumstances that contribute to the problem. They're the ones who say "there are no former alcoholics" because they do not expect you to change at all. But that doesn't mean you can't manipulate your individual circumstances so you are less tempted to continue with the destructive behavior.
So a therapist is just an objective third party who realizes that you have the capacity for good or bad behavior, and your behavior is dictated largely by your environment. So change the environment and you behavior changes as a result. It's like when your company brings in an "efficiency expert" to streamline workflows, or a safety consultant to improve safety. They're the same principles, not unlike OSHA training, or Six-Sigma, but applied to your daily life.
You also have "Relationship Counsolers" (that could be marital, family, professional, etc)... in this sense, they're basically mediators between parties. It's just like behavioral therapy but with more constraints because the strategies employed have to work for multiple parties.
The truth is, nobody actually "Needs" a therapist, but they can be helpful for a lot of people because they have objectivity, and experience to know what strategies work well for most people, so you don't try a million wrong things first. But 99% of their advice is pretty obvious.
When people ask Reddit for advice, they're doing exactly what you would do in therapy. The difference is a licensed professional, VS some random jackass on the internet, lol.
I can’t tell if this is supposed to be a comment dissing the jackasses on Reddit or if this is you being one of those people who don’t believe in therapy😭
Yeah some people really don't need it. This guy is right to be angry.
@@kurieita7607 I do believe in therapy, but if I had a drink every time I read a Reddit story and OP or someone else mentions therapy, I'd need a new liver VERY fast. And it's often because of some minor stuff like someone making a dumb comment that offended another person or an argument/misunderstanding.
At 9:12 (2nd story), I had to stop washing dishes and dry my hands, so I could reset the video to go back 20 seconds to make sure I really heard what I thought I heard. Well, I did hear it correctly the first time- so I can't help but laugh because my 19 year old son has said the exact same thing to me, verbatim- other than changing the sex of the intended advice recipient (I am female) from 'Dad' to 'Mom'. It seems that the young adults of this generation think they have more or better life experience to share than their parents do!
Story2: kid needs to mind his own fucking business and he blackmailed his dad to apologize to someone that literally ruined his life. NTA all the way.
If he had “minded his own fucking business” the dad would never have contacted E and started a relationship with her. It’s clear as day that he’s deeply troubled from his divorce and in denial about how much it’s damaged him.
Story 2 OP shouldn't apologize, but he actually needs to move on and get out there
Story 2: OP needs to either find a different therapist, self help books about his type of divorce circumstances, and/or find an online support group for divorced people whose marriages ended due to part er’s true sexual orientation. Considering divorces due to spouses coming out are more heard of these days, it’s possible support groups for people in his situation exist.
After finishing Story 2: 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
S2 OP NTA, everyone around him is godawful. A nice PARENTAL DISCIPLINING could have fixed this issue but oh well, OP decided to be a doormat.
Bullshit. The rest of the story showed the kid was right, that the OP had unresolved trauma from the divorce and was isolating himself because of it
Found the incel
Story 3. OP's sister has a point. Open Relationship is not for everyone. The least OP can do is set up his gf's open trysts somewhere else.
How can a crazy person have a point? She didn't care that it was happening at his home, she cared that it was happening at all. Those stalker pictures were from many different places. You saying it didn't need to be at their place is you putting yourself in the situation. If he didn't care about his gf being with others then he didn't care about it being at home. Maybe they felt it was safer for her there.
Story 2 really pisses me off. Whenever a gay person usues a hetero person as a shield before finally coming out of the closest theyre always hailed as a "hero" and "so brave!"
Noone ever looks at the hurt and pain they cause the person theyve lied to and often times cheated on for YEARS.
And if the hetero person is upset or hurt they are accused of being homophobic or told they have no right to be hurt or that they should just "move on" like they haven't just been traumatized and found out that their entire relationship and life has been a lie and fake.
That the person they were so in love with never existed or at the very least never actually loved them at all.
God no. Never aim to be a Step Parent...
Some kids need a stable parent. That is cruel to say.
@@meltypapyrus They need a parental figure for sure. Single moms should date Single dads.
@@Sg190thPeople are allowed to date whoever they want you don't want to be a step parent that's your choice
@@Sg190thEXACTLY!!!
@@HeoBaby24 They're allowed to yes. They shouldn't be surprised when breakups happen. 🤷🏿♂
Story #1:
OP = NTA
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Story 2 OP is a doormat
Story 2: NTA.
OP was lied too for 11 years and the way he talks about what his ex said... she absolutely used him as a sheild and quite obviously wrecked him emotionally.
OP is obviously a introverted person and the son decides to just saying he doesn't understand why his dad doesn't date and likes to enjoy what he does...
Almost like the combination of being introverted and trauma does that to people.
The OP would be better off without his disrespectful A hole of a kid and absuer of a ex.
It seems he found someone to hang out with who cares for him in some respect.
To be clear if you think the ex didn't abuse him... you are wrong.
Did you pay attention at all bro? Or did you turn off the video halfway through? The son is dead, and OP is working to kill himself so that he can see him again. Also, the son was absolutely spot-on because as soon as he tried contacting E they hit it off amazingly and he immediately started turning himself around. There is a massive difference between being an introvert and isolating yourself from everyone due to depression and trauma. Staying shut away will NOT help, you have to force yourself to go out to start getting better.
@@NeoCreo1 I turned it off after he apologised to his son.
He has 0 spine and his trauma was legitimate and his son shouldn't have insulted him like that.
@@Twist-The-Friendly-Hunter His trauma was indeed legitimate, which is why his son confronted him. Isolating himself from the world is not going to magically fix his trauma, it’s only going to worsen it. This can be seen by him gushing over E and starting to turn his life around. It takes far more spine to swallow your pride and listen to someone else than to continue to stew in your trauma and anger and isolate your self from the world. I highly recommend not spouting off without actually getting all of the facts, it makes you come off as ignorant.
@@NeoCreo1 you are quite clearly ignorant here.
You are the kind of person to say "man up" or "get over it, it's in the past" to someone who has suffered trauma and the OP had suffered and did what anyone would do.
Locked himself away to feel safe.
His son had no right to say what he did and expect his dad to be like, oh you are right.
It was insulting and his son was a complete asshole who couldn't even see his mom as a abuser.
@@Twist-The-Friendly-Hunter No, the ignorant one is still you. I was in the exact same place as the dad, though for different reasons. Self-isolating due to trauma and stewing in my own pain and anger. I would never have gotten out of that space without people to force me out, and I doubt he would have either. I am not someone that is dismissive of trauma or its lasting effects. However, I’m also fully aware of just how in denial a traumatized person can get in terms of their trauma even while it’s destroying them in ways apparent to everyone. You need an intervention in those cases, because you will not be the one to take that first step by yourself. The son was harsh, but confronting him on his isolationism was not an asshole thing to do. The father being traumatized and resenting his ex is also not wrong. What’s wrong is that he’s on a self-destructive path trying to deal with it.
2nd OP doesn’t need to apologize, but he is being a bitter asshole. He doesn’t need to move on, but he should acknowledge his son only has his best interests at heart
I’m confused, he absolutely did that? Did a bunch of people stop listening halfway through?
@@NeoCreo1 yea I commented before I finished the story
@@NeoCreo1I still see that his son had in mind only to have his two parental figures around him and not OP's feelings. Nothing changes that, yes i saw the whole story. The son still did wrong, he didn't comfort his father, and made clear that If he had to choose he would chose the stepmom. The fact that his gone doesn't erase what he did.
First story, it's sad that your parents couldn't just resist the urge not to have sex until they're stable. This was their fault for not making better choices.
Hell, they couldn't even adopt op out and go live their lives.
Second story, op was an ass for the comment towards his son. But, he shouldn't have apologized to his ex.
No one is the AH in Story 2, just a messy situation. The son was right that OP is being dragged down by his emotional baggage from his divorce and should get out and try to find someone. This is not an introvert being comfortable alone, it’s a troubled individual retreating into himself. The OP is right to be resentful of his ex for hooking up with him for 11 years despite knowing she was gay, but it’s not so clear cut as she was some manipulative or malicious figure, just a troubled individual that made poor decisions that hurt someone else. His apology was the correct one. Don’t apologize for the feelings, as he does have a point, just for lashing out at her when she was trying to help (though again, she should have had the foresight to see that would happen, since she’s obviously the cause of his behavior).
Honestly i forgot about the gay wife in the second story it seems so minor compared to what we heard next
Hope OP is alright
story 2, the guy was a bit harsh to his son, so I get why the son would get upset at his dad, but the son still was out of line for trying to lecture his dad so I get why the dad would get upset over his son getting out of line. Both could have handled that situation better. The lesbian ex should have minded her own business, so she got exactly what she deserved from acting like she had any say to a man she led on and lied to for years. After what she did to OP she has absolutely no right to say anything about his life, his decisions, or try to still embed herself as "family" or act like someone with his best interests in mind.
God forbid people care about OP and try to help him. Even his own mother called his ass out BC he was wrong but the misogynists in the comments...
His son had every right to talk to his dad. He did it cause he cared about him. His ex was just trying to help and so was his mom. He was just lashing out because he never got therapy because he gave up after one shitty therapist, and blamed everybody else for his misery and resented them their happiness.
@@sweeety969 No, considering how their relationship ended, and how he had to find out everything about it was a lie, including her sexuality, I understand why he acted the way he did with her. She lied for 11 years and it hurt him deeply. She led him on. What she did was wrong by staying in that relationship for 11 years, and she's dumb if she thought he wouldn't react to her saying she and OP are "family."
She's an ex, and she should have understood the way she ended things with him would cause a deep wound and she lost the right to act like she has his best interests in mind or say anything about his personal life.
Story 3
Ik its wrong but
Fuck this open relationship shit thats gross just don't have a relationship if you want to just fuck around
While I agree with you, in cases like this, the sister had no right to interfere, they are adults and if that works for them, they have no right to get involved.
If they were cheating, i.e. going behind each other’s backs, yes, every right to intervene, but in this case, you can give your opinion on it, once, but that’s it, everyone has the right to live as they see fit and if it’s a mistake they need to make it on their own and learn from it😊
12:22 the therapy isnt going to work because he wont actually put the work in therapy only works when someone legitimately wants to make a change in their life hes just going to humor his kid everything will go on one ear and out the other
Story 2, OP needs to go to therapy
Story 2: Kind of an AH. OP was suffering from depression and that caused him to lash out at his son who was trying to help him. OP abandoned therapy because he got the wrong therapist. That compounded his feelings of disdain for his ex for suppressing that she's a lesbian. The problem with that is he blamed her not her upbringing which taught her that homosexuality is wrong. He's an AH because he's refusing to admit that he went through trauma and needs help which is hurting people around him.
Ah yes he’s not allowed to be mad that somebody who he thought loved him back didn’t even want him then he’s not allowed to greive or anything ok
S3 op and his gf is disgusting if they had told his sister that they are in a open relationship she wouldn't be protective over her brother now his ruined her life
She should've minded her own damn business op didn't do anything wrong she wrong for jumping to conclusions op said he wouldn't break up he explained why he wasn't breaking up, she decided to stalk both of them and commit a crime she not a child she a grown ass woman this is no one but her fault this is op relationship and op personal life. She should've focus on herself
Just say you have an issue with people who are in open relationship and move on
So, like- you tell your siblings and parents about your sexual habits? That’s weird.
@@MunsterFrizbee i tell them if i got multiple partners or an open relationship to prevent this trainwreck.
@@MunsterFrizbee I would tell them because in the end they would accuse him of cheating on me and if they saw me with another guy they would also accuse me and disown me
@@HeoBaby24 I do because it's disgusting and wrong if you want a open relationship just break up with each other and how was the sister meant to know he was in a open relationship he never told her
Story 2:
YTA - BUT, I do really understand what he's feeling. He shouldn't have lashed out at either of them as they were genuinely trying to help, but he's clearly still in a dark place and his son (especially) was right.
His son dosent have a right to tell his father how to date, and the ex of all people has no right to say anything as she was the one who caused his problems by leaving him just up in the blue.
She never really cared for op and now that his son is gone she has gone basically zero contact, and op is letting himself die, she is a horrible women that lead him on for 11 years, she is a terrible person who only cared for her own feelings i hope she breaks down after op is gone too
His son was wrong. Dead wrong. Mom did one of the most fucked up things you can do to a person, but she gets to just move on with her life while leaving this poor man with a mountain of trauma. In my opinion, she basically SAed him, but in a way that makes HIM feel like the abuser and not the victim. That's so terrible, I can't even start.
@@cricket5692 and speaking as a gay man, what she did was unacceptable, I understand she was forced to live a lie but she just threw him asside. Also seems like lesbians tend to do this more than gay men, ie throw asside your partner when you coke out, or at least in anecdotal experience
@@dogguy8603 a little better than staying in the fake relationships (putting a beard on them) and building an art room for their APs as it looks like gay men tend to do this more.
OP in story 2 is such an ass. He seems like he make everyone around him miserable
Be betrayed and then forced to hear the same people who hurted you try to give you shitty adivice. Just stop being stupid, we know you're also an ass to people. He was miserable himself because of the ex. They were stupid by doing that and went too far. His son showed that he would choose his stepmom over OP (If he was still alive). Try to see yourself in OP's shoes and not on other's shoes.