Why are Apple’s chips faster than Qualcomm’s? - Gary explains
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Hi everyone. I hope you liked the video. I will be around for a couple of hours monitoring the comments, so if you have any questions please ask and I will try to help.
Can you make a video about the Kirin 970 ? And their AI system
Gary Sims does this apply to exynos or kirin?
I am sure I will be covering the Kirin 970 at some point, but let's wait for an actual phone to get released that uses it first!
منور حمبي
saish vengurlekar basically, yes.
Wow! an honest video covering the facts, no fanboyism one way or the other, just talking tech. Love this!
It's also talking engineering.
Yeah, he's unbiased unlike some iFags in the comment section who still talking about bad impressions with 2010 Android phones. Lol.
That's like spreading a lie that iPhones can't shoot videos because the first 2 or 3 iPhone wasn't able to record video unless you jailbroke them. Which is obviously not true with nowadays iPhones. Just like as the lagging in Android phones. They don't lag more than iPhones. In fact, they sometimes lag less. Yes, 7 or even 4-5 years ago this argument was valid. But not anymore. Bunch of iDiots.
Dude, I love your content!
Agreed. Respect. And I don't even own an android device.
Android phones still lag, no Apple fanboy I have a Samsung S7
That moment when a smartphone has more cores than your pc
Lol CPU core on pc has more than smartphone has lol at least up to 8core today smartphone core processor has only get 8core maximum they is no more he can get with it.
AMD Ryzen: Hold my 12 cores and 24 threads..
@@musemooch yeah true, but to be fair if you were in their position you would do the same.
@@wanmaziah9835 Mediatek has been releasing 10 cores SoCs and currently working on 15 to 16 cores...
But when compared to PC chipsets they aren't that powerful and tbh they aren't comparable as they perform there functions based on purely different environments..
@@santriptaswain6578 even when compare to Snapdragon is not even closer why you compare to pc processor ? Lol more core it doesn't you get better performance learn from apple chip dude imao
Two years and you were right on the mark with your projections. Today, Apple is moving away from Intel CPUs as well.
I think that in a near future we might see MacBooks using Apple's CPUs.
A11 Bionic already beats some of the Intel's chips that are in current gen MacBooks.
A12X beats Xbox One S a year later.
Apple Exposed The A11 (and maybe A10) were more powerful than the Xbox One CPU as well. The A12X was impressive because it had faster GPU performance than an Xbox One. So that pretty much also means the iPad has greater graphics performance than a 13in macbook pro. It’s pretty wild.
@@Sandia49 The CPU in a console isn't actually supposed to be powerful y'know? The Xbox absolutely positively smashes apple in the graphical department because it has a gigantic integrated GPU. Apple might have a powerful CPU side but no phone can actually beat the consoles in graphics.
No LateGame Well no phone can beat the xbox, but the A12X in the iPad pro matches the floating point performance of an xbox. Of course there’s other factors that effect it, but it’s really cool to see. Also, I’d disagree about the console CPUs because there’s actually plenty of games on the market right now that get bottlenecked by the weak CPU. It makes it hard to run AI and Physics effectively without the extra CPU power
The Apple ecosytem would be more immersive if those things happened
For a channel based on Android that was pretty unbiased, got a sub.
That's odd, I usually see Apple channels being biased
Adam Nelson No, that's just android fanboy's just hating to hear straight up facts about Apple and then rendering all of the good information about Apple "biased". I guess most of them can't stand to hear that Apple devices > Android devices
Boss Brandon tbh most of them are bias on both sides, as an android fan (not fanboy) I have no problem saying that Apple does certain things better than android because I want android to improve in that area.
I don't really care about bias but I hate that many people bias in a unreasonable way or just want to make fun of opposite fanboy.
Ya are you an android fanboy? How about looking at facts instead. benchmarks don't lie. Like all things there are trade offs. Examine it scientifically.
When i said my Iphone 5s slowed down with time passing, i was crazy.
When i said my Ipad mini 2 slowed down after a while , i was crazy.
When Apple said they lowered their clockspeeds to maintain batterylife , they were praised.
And i'm still crazy.
GamingFreak076 never saw any praise for lowering the clocks speed.
They lowered it to keep batteries alive but also tweaked things in ios to keep the phone running strong.
But since iphone x they went all out with the power so when they do reduce the speed its not going to effect the speed as much.
@@busimo They didn't underclock the 5s though...
It would have gotten slower with updates
@@circuit10 apple should've given choice in this case
@@busimo ?
Kinda late to this but i just wanted to say how refreshing it is to listen to you, Gary. One of the most technical, most comprehensive hosts on youtube.
Everyone else puts their money into intro music, graphics and fancy studios and have a sliver of a fraction of the content you have.
Thank you for staying technical. I always learn things watching your videos.
I like this guy. He's very level headed about android and ios in a world where android users and ios users are in constant war over nit picking and misconceptions.
I try my best.
Misconception? Well you nailed it..
Yeah I'm android and have an unjustified negative bias against iOS, this was a welcome slap in the face.
Apple VS. the knockoffs.
Izumi Koushiro yeah, especially when I even heard a android user tell me his s4 is better than my iPhone X
Another quality video from Gary , thanks for the solid content
Glad you liked it! :-)
Smug Chad Ur welcum
The best video i saw in the field of smartphone technology.
Gary, Great job on this one, truly! Thanks for such a candid and unbiased explaination, I really learned a lot about the design and development of these chips.
Not a big fan of apple for various reasons but that a11 chip certainly is a beast.
potato, not its not, you are stupid
potato potato potato potato potato potato potato its not lol,
potato potato potato potato potato potato potato it is , but it's also saying that's there's too many issues to make their great stuff worth it.
Sam
Not really. CPU clock speed amd core count don't really mean anything.
Arvark : a11 isn't fast because of clock speed, it's fast because it's fast.
You explain things very well. I have no idea about chips and things but I actually fully understand everything what you said! Keep up the good work!
Gary that gesture you do at the beginning of a video before you start explaining is just pure gold!!! Keep up the great work!!!
Do you think they will put a 16 MB L2 Cache in the A13? ( they already did on the A12X btw )
Excellent video explaining the concepts unlike everyone saying Apple chips are "optimized" Gary's videos are always worth it
well this 15 minute video can be summarized by one word; optimized..
Qualcomm has to worry about ALL the android phones that use their processor.. meanwhile, apple only has to worry about one phone... iPhone.
thats optimization.
Good cooperation between software and hardware department can make the OS run smoother and give for example a better battery life. But has zero impact on 3th party benchmarks. That's why this explanation of "optimization" falls apart. If a CPU performs good on a raw benchmark test then all credits goes to the SOC designers. So credit towards those guys. When the OS runs smoother (even on a slower cpu) then this is because of "optimization" between different departments. But you can' t know because there is only one OS running on Apple's soc's.
Mum Blic +1 Neither the chips nor the software alone is optimised, it's the coordination between both. The point I was trying to make was that everyone keeps saying that iOS is "optimised" to run on those Ax series chips which is not completely true. Gary has a video on that topic too.
This topic goes all the way back to the 1980s when the Mac was released on a Motorola 68000 CPU. The “OS and CPU are closely tied” vs the Microsoft approach of licensing the OS debate. Jobs famous quote is, “We make the whole widget.” Yeah, at that time Motorola was making the CPU. But, Apple had a big say in the 68000 series and later the PPC, which I was a part of. I worked in Motorola’s PPC Management and Planning division. I got to see 5 year plans and one of the fabs was in same building. It was an incredible experience although Motorola’s leadership was so fragmented that it begin their quick and disastrous downfall. That’s a different story for a different time.
And benchmarks are equivalent to real time use how? They aren't...
You forgot to mention another important fact: Qualcom's patents are stipling competition in the U.S. That's why Google for example cannot hire a processer team to make their own processors and why Samsung's Exynos is not allowed in the U.S.
mpserrano1 they probably paid the Qualcomm patent tax like Apple does.
You know, i was just thinking that why google didn't design a custom SOC for their products
Hence why Apple is in a legal battle with Qualcomm rights now
Ibliss and Samsung is not allowed to sell their processor to other companies,why is that
Exynos is sold in the usa.
Samsung just keep it mainly for the south korean and Japan markets.
Qualcomm can also make more chips and do it faster than samsung
You could save a lot of time answering with just one word:
Optimization.
@Chris C Exactly what Im telling everyone
But you still can't move apps where you want it to be xD
Gary have made a video explaining you that both are optimized so thats just a bullshit myth.. And in real life use I always find that the Apple chip is not any faster than the competition. That makes me doubt benchmarks even more than before.
Apple chips are faster because of their “race to sleep” priority. They use larger single cores to open and close apps and put them to sleep as fast as possible. Snapdragons use more smaller cores to handle android’s background multitasking.
@Uchiha Madara yeah, the soc is designed to literally get the task done as fast as possible so it can go into a sleep state for idle power efficiency. That's why Apple focuses on single core over multi. It's not meant to run many tasks at once.
i love how he had to add "no wars in the comments" xD
Finally someone who explains something with knowledge instead of rabble babble lies cause they hate apple !
Oh dear, a butt hurt Apple fan.
Khalil Razak Why you call him like that ?
Whats wrong ?
I really appreciated how objective this video was. 👍
It's a very thorough explanation. Thank you.
You do a lot of hard work and a lot of information sharing..You deserve a like
Pretty cool! Learnt a heck of a lot right there...
I really like his presentation
Love the breakdown that really taught me a lot without it being a headache LOL
When Mr Gary sims explains you listen to it attentively
True!
I would rather to 'Johnny Sins'😃😃😍
Saran K R S Lmfao this mans
@@SaranKRS lel
I would stare at you attentively
Gary you should have your own channel... The most sensible & knowledgeable video I've seen in a while in this mobile space.
Great work!
This man takes the word "authority" literally
Explained the whole stuff in the best possible way. Excellent video... I wish we had lecturers of this enthusiasm in college.
Great, informative video with no bias! I learned a lot from it. Nicely-done, Gary! #Respect
My God .. I learned sooo much today... thanks for this entertainingly informative video!👍
Good to hear that you liked it! :-)
Same man, but Gary Sims forgot to mention one things about apple able to make their cpu have wider pipeline & run at lower clock speed like in android authority article.
Gary already said that, on one of his earlier videos.
Infinite Buffer can you give me the link to that videos
Here you are:
ruclips.net/video/gLsdS0zQ82c/видео.html
And I think he mentioned something in this video too but mainly the top one:
ruclips.net/video/D9prht-PcWY/видео.html
Amazing explanation of distinguishing features between Apple A11 bionic and Snapdragon 835.. quite insightful and interesting... I love your videos.. keep making more of these.. Thanks
I am using iPad Pro 10.5 with a10x fusion chip which has 8mb L2 cache and no L3 cache ,is my processor is too Power full ??
OMG.... So much details in one small video.. Kudos for making such video without any bias... Keep up the good work.
WOWWWWWW.... Such a Great Explanation ....... just sweeeeet man ... Love You Video
The explanation was super-vague and not even remotely true on the why ANDROID is behind part.
Agreed...since the market share owned by Android phone makers is bigger than Apple's.
oh yeah! compared to tons of You tube videos made by Techies (called only by themselves) in India. You know some guys talks like parrots & hard to even catch up their English... LOL!
YASH RAJ SHARMA अपने भाई लोग उनके चैनल पर कॉपी कर रहे हैं इस वीडियो को।😂😂😂😂😂 how shit is this thing...
Hey Smartphone Wars....However you fail to produce any thing based on "actual" fact to back up what you say, unlike the engineer in the video who actually knows what he's talking about...so your argument (if that's what you want to call it) means NOTHING!!!
Enjoyed the info in this video, very good.
Apple = bottom up optimization. Everyone else is working with off the shelf stuff.
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Android devices are overpriced considering Apple pays for everything they invent.
@@appleexposed4404 um...you think Androids are overpriced because of a few things?
@@ItsDevv
No they're super overpriced. None should be over 200 bucks.
@@muhdaimanharith
WRONG.
There's nothing innovative about a giant iPhone. Remember when Apple haters claimed iPad would fail because it was just a giant iPhone? Then all androids copied as usual.
Apple collaborated with Google to create Google Apps. It's not like they were invented by "android" lol.
"owh, how many apple user that use at least 90% of the soc power?.. none "
Everyone because it's always in use from FaceID, Apps, Speed to AR.
" Because apple limits it to save the battery from dying.. that's why android battery can last longer because while ios give full speed.. none of them realize that our battery aren't powerful enough... "
Ridiculous. Shows you don't understand technology.
"while arm making sure that their chip doesn't degrade the battery faster than their old chip.."
More uninformed chatter.
If it wasn't for Apple you wouldn't have android, apps, visual voicemail, multi-touch, touch gestures stolen from Apple, tablets, digital stores, streaming, icon based software, fonts, mobile internet, wifi, USB, etc. etc.
@@muhdaimanharith preach
This content even gave me far more better understanding about hardware and software engineering for both platforms and very extensive learning opened my mind for both systems. Love this. Keep them coming.
Gary is probably the smartest Android person I know. I bet AA is glad to have him. Keep up the work my friend!
Nice explainations mate thanks
Thank U. Long time fan, 1st time commentor. A stright forward explanation and not tooo techy. Kuddos sir
Very Nice video ❗️
I don’t own anything with android but your clips are always very informative 💪🏾
Hi Gary, fantastic video!
You and your great content are outstanding as a Lighthouse on this platform. A classy RUclips benchmark! 👍
You are amazing at explaining things. Well done.
i will hire this guy to work on my mobile phone repair shop
Gary is that true the first apple use custom CPU on apple A6 swift they call it ??
Nice Video man!!
Thank you sir.. Finally got ans to my question.. Superb Video 👌👌
ŠKODA Superb?
Enjoyed the video. I appreciate the raw honesty which we all agree is lacking in most RUclips videos on the subject.
You're explanations are too good! 👍
Amazing explanation that is objective and straight to the point. This video is so good that it made me subscribe to Android Authority as a full-Apple user!
Just WOW no bias. Love this guy!
Plus i have that A11 bionic processor on my iphone x.. playin PUBGM smoothly with HDR is just amazing
Not real HDR my guy, the only real display panels that can take true advantage of HDR are TV sized
iPhones are actually best for gaming. If you want the best PUBGM experience get an iPad
Plz donate your iphone to me..you buy new phone . 😭😭😭
And you can also play that in poco f1 which is 4 times cheaper or any android with snapdragon 845.
Kazi Ovi poco f1 are a midrange phone with flagship Soc
What a awesome educational video! Thanks Gary!
couldnt really explained some of this better myself and that was interesting about the cache :)
Great video
Thanks.
Question: What aspect of the devices' performance benefits from a high multiscore?
Multitasking and multicore applications. Usually those are productivity apps. Games tend to only use 2 or 4 cores.
@@nolategame6367 Thanks,
Please forgive any ignorance shown but, isn't 2 or 4 cores "multicore"?
And, what then is an example of a single core application?
@@Avigazed well, sorry, usually applications needing more than 4 cores are called multicore for reasons. It's nothing to be ashamed about. And a singlecore application is an application that runs on a single thread, they're pretty rare, since everyone nowadays has at least 2 cores and software is developped to take advantage of those without overloading people's systems.(Also increases software complexity, but that's mostly unrelated)
Informative.....thanks a lot.
Excellent info Gary! Loved this one.
I have question.
By any chance if android can run on A11 chip will it run as fast as ios?
And thanks
That sounds so weird.. Android will never buy anything from apple.
very nice explanation sir, exactly the kind of info I wanted to clarify about apple's products and the philosophy behind their technology....
yes to make you buy dongles at a high price
Really well explained. Thank you.
Hi Gary, can you make an android box that is the muts nuts & do a video of how to make it and where to purchase the parts?
What about the xiaomi mi mix s2. How could they bypass the apple chip on bench mark?
Refreshing, unbiased and informative. This reminds more of my lessons in uni then the usual fanboys in RUclips. Subbed
ohhh yeaahh
Thanks a million, Gary.
A great and comprehensive video without any bias... Very good!
One of the greatest educational video I have ever seen. Great job!!
I wonder if Samsung will eventually adopt Apple's strategy and go all in on it's chip design rather than keeping up with Qualcomm (Huawei seems to be doing so)
Too bad they can't sell in the us (exynox) cause of the different modems used in the us
Nicoxis...Samsung originally did the same as Apple, before the Apple even did it. Samsung used to use their own designed and manufactured processors for their devices back then. The first Galaxy phones used a Samsung made CPU.
Can't samsung has deal with Snapdragon.
nicoxis Actually they were the first manufacture of chips for the iPhone , from the iPhone 2G to the 3GS , hahaha
nicoxis They’d have to have a semi-custom version of Android. I doubt Google would give them a free edge to competition.
Thanks for the Great video. Very imformative
Gary, what a video!, thumbs up on that.
You really explained the bits and pieces really well.
I watch your video in 360 p in my phone ,but just like watc it in 720p 60fps , any tutorial on how to export it? Bitrate,cbr,vbr, ext? Any reply really appreciated
thanks for the vid. refreshing to see a guy with an Android shirt on giving scientific report without bias. nice.
when Gary explains, the world listens
Hi, is the a11 bionic based on a x86 architecture? Is there any chance Apple will create a mobile laptop processor for their own macs? As you probably know bench mark wise the A11 bionic outperforms intel’s i5 Kaby lake CPU’s...The A11 bench marks made me excited!
Best and simply explained with simple examples.
Now i know. Very well explain sir.
Cris Dann M. A comment on what was said in the video. Thank you sir
Cris Dann M. They aren't this year
i really like this video. in this world, where fans of one platform can be really mean to fans of the other platforms (both ways of course), seeing such an fair and acknowledging comment is a big plus... i'm on the Apple side, but still like many things what happen on the Android side.
Thank you for linking an article with your video.
Really nice video !
We need people like you explaining tech !
Your positivity is a breath of fresh air!💚
Nice vid, the story/facts seems very reminiscent of Intel vs AMD, at least up until Ryzen. Maybe Qualcomm will have their Ryzen moment in the future. Long story short, on-paper specs are only one element of performance.
Very well explained. Clear and to the point and easy to understand. Thank you Gary for making this video.
Hi Gary. Can you a comparison between HiSilicon Kirin chips by Huawei, Qualcomm and Apple.
I need a comparison with the Kirin 970
Well that is a little hard since there aren't any devices out yet with the Kirin 970!
Yes I know
I hope you do it after you use the mate 10 from Huawei
With Snapdragon 835 and A11
Mohamed Basha surprisingly the Kirins are a okay. My P9 never stutters and has strong battery life
Yes that's right so I brefere Huawei device specifically the p series in the android os @jay G
Actually the Kirin 960 is more powerful than Snapdragon 821 and it competing Snapdragon 835 so if U use for example Huawei p10 and s8 U will find that the p10 more faster the only thing that the Snapdragon 835 beats Kirin 960 the GPU and not that the big difference
Very good resumé, even more fascinating would be follow the history of the relationship between ARM and Apple... Apple is one of the original investor of ARM and they were using ARM chips in the 90s in their Newton product and iPod later on.
Apple a évité la faillite en revendant toutes ses actions ARM ... Dommage pour eux vue la valeur payée par Softbank ...
Wow was not expecting a unbiased report. Good on you man.
Thanks Gary ... Love all your videos
100% quality content
this is why I like this guy
The problem is Qualcomm does not feel pressure from Apple because they have a monopoly at their buisness with Android :(
Yes android more cheap than Apple price thats fact in my region asia
jay kajaning - He didn't talk about the pricing? xD
Robin it's fact when price talk everybody knows Android more cheaper than apple product. Cause in my country price it's important
I think that too! Maybe if other companies, like Samsung, start manufacturing their own processors, Qualcomm will begin to work harder
Pedro Henrique Rodrigues you do realise samsung produces their own processors for the galaxy series right...? The s8/s8+ have variants using either the snapdragon 835 or exynos 8895 which is slightly faster but both are really close.
Hey Gary, Can you explain the processor used in Librem phones, and why they can't use Qualcomm??
i really like how this was a unbiased detail filled video.
I am a apple fan and i really wish you guys do more such videos. Very informative .
Thanks Gary
Wow you're amazing thank you
It's really a well-organized and understandable explanation. Thumbs up!
great video Gary :)
Well explained, Garry. Really good to learn new stuff!
on android channels talks about apple cool things
on apple channels mocking android
True
Hi Gary, thanks for the detailed review, but why the iPhones are slow in performance when compared to qualcomm and kirin?
Very nice one. Nailed it. Cheers