Crazycatsbackboi , That makes no sense. Software is just as important. An iPhone with 3 gigs of ram is orders of magnitude faster than an android with 5
@@danielzhan86 Since a lot of programs are actually have both versions for both android and iphone the one that have better spec is generally better. That being said because of the lack of quality control for android apps the sheer amount of apps made by lesser or unknown companies are filled the appstore with shit like ads plagued apps and very not optimized apps. It sure does affect the performance ALOT. I personally hope google would make a new different app store that only have the verified apps on their store that has been thoroughly checked the source code so any unoptimized and obscure apps would be denied to be there just like the apple store. And other than that even though the basic of android itself has a very good peformance. The lack of good standard application like file manager makes the phone manufaturer had excuse to put their own bloatware into the system bloating it like shit. Using unnecesary resources. On the other hand with that pretty quality hardware and software iphone have but with overpriced shit. Iphone have lots of limitation well even android feels like a prison for me until I have the root access in it. There is even no basic firewall configuration we can use on iphone not even on android without root access. And the way iphone locked their phone and limiting it's capability so much is a big no for me. Man, you can only do normies shit on it. With quality software and hardware it's really a shame iphone couldn't do much. I ain't happy with both of them honestly. But, android has more flexibility to be more my liking. I mean they can do all the things I want but not with great expirience. Well the iphones can't even do that so who am I complaining. And I really hate those phone manufacturers they really did use cheap ass tactics to gain profits using the ignorance of those stupid ass normies. Few Chinese phones have more reasonable price. I ain't giving my informations to those damn filthy commies though but I also don't want to be robbed by these greedy assholes.
Alex The Commie lmao the air phone, look it up 😂unbox therapy does a video on it 0megapixel camera 0 battery 0 pixels lcd or oled unknown 😂 the most expensive model is THE AIr phone whih is air and two smaller models.
Gfjfj Ufidi don't forget the guaranteed long-term support. If Apple products weren't so expensive, I'd recommend them to everyone who doesn't understand electronics very well.
It's also funny how people advertise every pathetic budget soc as "powerful" and "can run all your favourite games without slowing down", whereas the the only phones that actually match that description hardly get their socs mentioned. It's like they're trying to disappoint their customers once they try to run CSR2 on their new Alcatel Pixi.
the snapdragon 8XX series has been the high end series and currently the most powerful snapdragon is the 835. next we have the 6xx series, these are still powerful enough but not as powerful as the 8xx series and the newest model is the 635 (btw snapdragon 635 > snapdragon 801). Then we have the budget 4xx series where you still have enough horsepower to do basic tasks but don't expect to run 3D games that great. Helio's X20,P20 offer a better performance than the 635 at the same price but they get warmer and they consume more battery. Samsung sometimes uses its' own chips called Exynos. Huawei also uses its' own chips. So does Apple.
Leo nardo Vinshent yeah they make great products for the price but there are way better phones out now for even cheaper that offer way better specs even a bigger screen at 4 k
Yeah... But the GPU leaves a lot to be desired.... Even Samsung uses the same GPU on the international versions but with more cores just to keep up with the Snapdragon variant. Even that doesn't help in most cases... Even though fortnite Android was launched with the Note 9, Note 9 and S9+ exynos can only go high while my OnePlus 6 can do epic.
I really love that this channel gives actual analysis. Most tech channels just regurgitate spec sheets, with a bland "I like this phone" - you actually try to figure out how the market thinks and moves the way it does. It's very interesting.
@ErbiuMilan I think that's more because back then Windows Phone up to 8.1 was largely text-based and minimalistic, thus it could run on minimal specs almost as good as on great specs bar heavy apps and games. Also, if you have a WP, I'm here dreaming with you brother :) gonna run this phone dead before they pry it off of me for another platform XD
Adolf Hitler unless you're a proven oracle, your comment will continue to be irrelevant Faris Firdaws waiting for the Surface Phone with Windows 10 on ARM
I thought the 830 was decently spec'd. The 650 that "replaces" it? Well... I only paid $109 for it. Windows 8.1 was better in so many ways (WiFiSense, for one). Only Maps (Here) is the improvement that stands out.
Hi. Please create a video explaining more about smartphone processors. Help us understand which processor works best on what feature or a processor that can do all of the features in a highest quality possible. For a normal user like me though quite understand how chips and stuffs inside a phone works, we assume that the more expensive a phone means the better or even the best to use which is true but in the back of my head, there's something that contradicts it. It thinks that, there must be a way to get the best phone without spending too much as I'm a business graduate and I know how business works so there might be some tricks we can learn to get the best smartphone. High UX and less COST. Please advice. Thanks!
Sandhya Saini Moreover those phones were like crap. They had weak processors, less storage, older version of android and in fact the XL phone has a 5 inch screen with 480p resolution😁.
Rajorsi Roy Chowdhury I have the X2 as my main device cause I'm poor. Its not really real android you need to root it with google services and playstore so that it can be called android.
Rajorsi Roy Chowdhury If it wasn't for dumbasses who swooned over Apple's shiny new toy; we'd still have mighty fine Nokia. This started the chain of consumerism and more landfills. For what it's worth Symbian worked really well. It served well everyone, including multimedia buffs and business guys. Internet browser sure was basic but remember that data was expensive as fuck in 2007 and first iPhone didn't even have WCDMA/UMTS so opening even most basic pages was a pain in the ass since full pages had to be loaded. Planned obsolescence and smartphone addiction are all because of same stupidity pioneered by Apple. Nokia was Nokia sir. Back in those Days, I never needed to upgrade to new phone every next year due to laggy UI or to get a bettet SOC
Snapdragon 430 can hit almost 3000 points in geekbench 3 and my nexus 5x has 3500 so it's not so bad. My old Moto G had only 1200 points with Snapdragon 400. So budget Socs are getting better and better every year, soon average joe will be able to buy pretty good phone for around $200 and be happy with it. Cheers to that!
Jack Axefist bro but as the phones chips are growing the apps and games will also ask more from the phone it will stay like I think it's the continues process the app and game developer will make more graphics games and app as new processer are coming which can handle more but you are right are daily task will be done easily by cheap smart phone. great,,😀
www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=6294 ( nokia 6 vs lg g3 ) TL:DR Pretty much the same except G3 was released in 2014 Soc : GeekBench Nokia 6 LG G3 single core 630 940 multi core 2742 2141 nokia 6 is 250$ not 200$
Jack Axefist the chips get better because everything you do gets more demanding , so a low end chip will always perform worse untill everything is insanely optimized
I'm still using a Nokia 6. I bought it at a time, when I didn't know anything about tech and the only thing I cared about was it had 32GB of internal storage. I realised the mistake of buying a 2017 phone with a 2015 Snapdragon 4-Series SoC when the poor thing started struggling to handle Hill Climb Racing 2.
Sir, You are right. Here in India also maximum peoples doesn't have any knowledge about SoC specially at off line market. They simply go for design and brand name/value only...
Debabrata Das not only that. if we go to offline store for buying a phone without deciding which one to buy, they will show you some random shitty phones which no one will buy and will convince us to buy that phone even you know something about this stuff.
Debabrata Das True !!! Once I asked a sales guy how much ram a particular tab on display had and he said 720p !! he also said this was the best tablet in market, had alarm, calculator, mp3 player built in :P
Amal Syed lol +debabrata das true,this is the reason that there are soo many apple fanboys here which do not know anything abt soc,their architecture,pixels and all.. i m nt saying that each and every guy should be technical bt atleast they should have general knowledge b4 buying the products
ritik gupta Leave apple, what about the fu kin Xiaomi devices, idk why people are buying them with heavy MIUI...They could just use some light UI or Stock android??
as a product manager its a great lesson for me, because i am tech guy i know every detail of a every part of a product. knowing this details are so natural and basic for me , and that will affect my decisions on how a device should be designed and marketed . that's where i loose mass markets
Well, for raw performance a random sort of high end mediatek would be better. The thing I don't like about mediatek chipsets is that they usually have a strong cpu core, but the other chips on the soc are fairly mediocre, to bad.
Actually the 625 as for those that say flaghip chips like 820 and 835 are virtually always the worse bang for buck, my argument is powerful chips will not aleays use all their power so every time you use a less demanding task your wasting money but with energy efficient chips like the 625 you use it to full potential 100% of the time
So happy I found this channel. The videos feel so well made and so well informative. It's easy to understand and it also gives you multiple perspectives on things.
That's exactly the point if this video , people don't know what they need. Of course you wouldn't buy a shit phone with a 15ooo milliamp battery , But you say it's the most important feature.....
Ez3k1e7 no your trying to tell me what thought process i used to come to this conclusion i say it is the most important feature because nothing can run without a energy source, if i have a shit phone guess what i still have a phone but it impossible to have a device at all that has no energy source And i didnt say feature i said component
So, on a video about how important a good SoC is , you commented to say that batteries are important because without them the device won't work. You are right , your thought process truly is a mystery to me.
On a budget: Lenovo K2. It has 5x the batterylife of an iPhone 7 Plus. On a BIG budget: Used Lenovo K2. Seriously, this device is unbeatable. Good luck watching video on this phone! It lasts about 30 hours when watching video on high brightness lol. The S7 Edge only lasts about 20 hours and the iPhone 7 Plus lasts 7 hours on high brightness. No budget: International Galaxy S7 Edge. It has 2.5x the batterylife of an iPhone 7 Plus. Also, the S7 Edge is the fastest smartphone, with the best camera & display.
Me: I don't have an iPhone but i couldn't care less which SOC i have because it works how i expect it. (Moto G5) Five minutes later: Ok its a Snapdragon 430 lol
@@OtisAdonisChad it came out late , their comment is 3 years older.Prices have changed. For same price I got 1.5Gb ram ( Galaxy E5 ) I can get A Tecno Spark 20 pro + ( 8gb ram ) , Chipset is also better Helio 99 , not bad but much better than 420 SD from E5.
I want a phone that doesn't need dongles to connect to anything.I can lay it on my desk and my 32 inch monitor comes on and I can plays Crysis at 4K.I want to be able to put what OS I want on it.I only want to pay $20 for it.
- Cast for Streaming Video or Audio - TeamViewer for Controlling & Streaming Computer Viewing to phone (I saw this comments debunking GTA5 on Android) - Cloud, Wifi-Direct or Bluetooth for Sending Files - As for the OS...I wish for that too (Using Windows 7 Apps on Android or vice-versa)...we have to wait for Vulkan-made Games (Phones have a Mid-Ware called OpenGLES for rendering 3D for Mobile and OpenGL for PC rendering, but Vulkan allows games made for PC & Mobile...and trust some mobile games look & play as good as PC games) My Phone has Vulkan GPU (Go to GSMarena > Find your GPU Model > Google if it has Vulkan support)
5:58 I disagree because chip makers for phones do not sell to customers at all. They advertise to phone makers. This is unlike the PC market where the chip makers there do sell directly to customers. There is absolutely no situation where someone would solely upgrade their phone's CPU.
I have to partly disagree with this video. The majority of the consumers just doesn't care about the CPU clock, number of cores or amount of RAM. Thus chip manufacturers advertising to the public is just a waste of money, instead they advertise to the companies which use them. Smartphone manufacturers try to appeal to the majority by trying to make it "trendy" and adding these numbers and characters just doesn't appeal to the average user.
you gotta love martons angle on things....it's always on point and so interesting to listen to and generaly make total sense....love this series marton...it deserves it's 47,000+ views at the time of writing this comment
I'm just pointing out a benefit of having less cpu power. And is a fact than 2 cores would consume less than 8 cores dude, as long as the technology apply to them correspond to the same nanotech use on the 8 cores cpu. You don't need 8 cores anyways, same as PC it only help to render video files, all other aplications use 1 or 2 cores at most.
Well power future has been refine more and more over the years. I remember the first GPU having dinamic overclock to save power, think was the HD 5000 series from Ati and on CPU was the Core2Duo and Phenom I think. Power protection was a nice future as well came with Intel alone at some point back in the Pentium Era. Now we have advance procesor using Onboard/Internal GPU and swiching base on need, just to save more power (very helpfull on notebooks with dedicated GPUs when you are not gamming). And now we also getting to the point of smart HD working with the OS to speed things up (Intel optane and Hybrid SSD). What we need to most to have better mobile tech some brake on battery tecnology, is dangerous to have 2 much charge on them, but make them smaller is a big step that could bring smart-watch back into the market.
+Tim +Cl0nec0mmand0 You guys didn't follow the news didn't you. Apple implement NVMe since 6S which give them insane storage speed compare to other companies' product. For SoC just look at the benchmark such as Geekbench whenever a new A-Series processor announce along side with their iPhone or iPad. It always blew every other products on the market out of water often by significant margin for many years now. The single thread performance of A10 on iPhone 7 is even comparable to an laptop intel i3 or even lower end i5 which is almost twice the performance of the best chip on the Android camp, the Snapdragon 820.
The software experience is way more influential on the user experience than the SOC imo. My Galaxy S7 lags horribly even when doing basic things like checking twitter, and it's a $600 phone. A OnePlus One that I got for $85 is substantially faster when doing basic tasks. It comes down to Software > Hardware
1700 yen smartphone? Yeah... uhm, here have a dongle for that price :D But sadly, the rest of the video - meh at best. there are good reasons for using a lower-end SoC. if the smartphone is not designed for heavy tasks like gaming, but lighter tasks like just browsing, watching videos, or playing PokemonGo. Cause in that case a stronger CPU won't help, but more Ram actually does. Just keep all tabs open and cause you have enough ram to keep everything loaded, it responds way faster. And another reason is battery lifetime. Higher clockspeeds simply drain the battery faster. Same as with an office-computer you do not even need a Pentium let alone an i3/5/7 - a celeron works just fine.
Sure sure kenny - and office programms don't start on anything but a quadcore with 3 Ghz...... Oh look at that, even an Intel Atom is strong enough for that. You don't need to have a racing-car to go shopping and a celeron will be more than enough for office-work in the next 15 years or even longer. Cause yes, there are enough people that are still rocking Pentium 4 or Athlon XP.
ABaumstumpf i have tried using a trinity amd a8 and it is laggy as hell in my rig. now i switched to g4400 purely because upgrade paths are the widest. and the reason keeping me from upgrading is the budget. yes i can run like skylines, battlefield 3 there will be times when i wanted to play some games (evem not for a long period of time) and regret when the pc is not capable
First off, its 1600 Yuan＝230 USD. Second, if you attempt to play 3D games, cpu/gpu matters. If it's just for light daily use, 435 with 4G LPDDS 3 ram is enough. BTW most of the fast phones have LPDDR4
There's also other factors, like storage, camera quality, battery capacity/life in addition to UX and performance metrics. The SoC starts to become more relevant as you move up tiers towards flagship devices.
I find it amazing that that small SoC contains some features that takes up my whole ATX motherboard. I mean sure, my A8 is wayy slower than my 6700K, 16GB DDR4, and GTX 970, the fact it still contains all that is amazing.
Thanks for being the best source, for those deeper insights into the mobile tech industry. This is a topic, that probably wont get tackle by the spec-reading folks over on other tech-chanels, who give insights into the first months of using a phone, which are not the ones, being a problem with newer smartphones.
Yaser Farid Not really. This is more condescending arrogance on the part of the tech community. Nokia has more phone announcements planned and to poo poo this phone despite its obvious appeal, is plain dishonest.
As a tech oriented Apple user, I also happen to know that the A10 in my phone is a 64 bit quad core and has 3 GB of RAM. I specifically got it over the 6+ for that reason, as more ram is likely to make it last more OS upgrades. I tend to use a phone for a long time: I went from a iPhone 3GS/32 to an 7+/256 model, which I hope will last me 6ish years again.
That seems to be there plan for the future, they're gradually switching to it. Some versions of the Galaxy S line get the Exynos already, the rest get Snapdragon. It could be something to do with the amount of processors they need, maybe they don't yet have the resources to produce enough Exynos processors to meet the demand, so they still need Quallcom to make up the numbers.
Edwin Owen no it's actually due to Snapdragon and their shitty rules they have some patents and don't allow Samsung to sell Exynos variant devices in USA
The processor in an iPhone 6S outperforms the Snapdragon 821.......and by a good distance. The extra ram is nice though. Guess we know who OnePlus is targeting lol
I have purchased Nokia 6 as a dual SIM replacement for my irrepairably damaged S7 EDGE. The N6 does what it promises for me and it does everything as well as the S7E did. It outperforms the single SIM S7E in terms of battery endurance and sound quality for about half of the price (without contract). As a product manager with 25 years industry experience in hw&sw product development, I can say that Nokia did everything absolutely correct and that you do not have a clue what you are talking about.
Just like having more RAM, or more storage, or more/better anything; a better processor isn't always necessary. How efficient is the OS? If there are customisations, how efficient are they? Does the phone have a camera that needs more processing power? Is the phone aimed at customers who will be running a lot of apps? Is the phone aimed at customers who will be using a lot processing power? How does this all fit into the budget of designing the phone?
I don't get it. I, being an Hardware guy, couldn't care less about CPU Performance in a Smartphone. Especially since it's only used for my for checking emails and reading through Websites on the go. My Blackberry DTEK is more than adequate for doing that. I am not even using 4G (LTE) since my contract really only grants me 54kbit/s.
Man, it's so hard to find enough relevant video material to show while I make my point. Whenever I feel like there is nothing left that I can use, I just throw in random videos :D
From a computer science major and hobbyist computer builder. I think one major issue that comes with faster more powerful processors is heat. A phone has very little space and CANNOT fit any kind of significant heatsink to solve this. Liquid cooling is impractical due to how often people drop their phones (and back when i was in highschool they would intentionally throw their phones at hard objects and make bets knowing that if their warrenty covered a replacement if they "dropped" the phone.) resulting in the seal potentially being comprimised. Again you need space for a radiator of some kind. not ideal for a phone. second is battery life. Processing power is directly connected to power draw. This means putting a 8 core 2.15 Ghz processor(the actual spec for a S6 according to walmart. i just passed it a few seconds ago.) will have a significantly shorter battery life especially when being strained. Extended use will bring back issue one as your phone may become so hot you may not want to handle it. Desktops commonly push 55-60 degrees celcius when they are heavily strained and they have cooling. Then you ask a device with 1/4th the power to cool itself in about 1/100th of the space without any dedicated cooling. Final thing i will point out is when is the last time anyone could not run a app due to the hardware not having what it takes to run it? i personally have not had that issue ever even with my cheap 50$ economy smart phone. Computers on the other hand have issues like that all the time. What it comes down to is wether you even need that power. Each core can run a single process. 4 is usually plenty. I have never needed 8 cores simaltaniously on my desktop much less in a phone. The marketability of mobile phone processors is crap because there is no good basis or reason to upgrade because you can already use everything. upgrading may even shorten the battery life which is a awful. No one likes a dead battery.
You didn't mention that 3 Devices are needed: 1. Quality for 💰 2. Middle of the road for fencers 3. Better than Crap, for cheap When you talk about SoCs some people just think you're trying to be cool, spelling Socks that way; or they're technical and they _know_ it's the Socket (when they're never socketed). It's all about the Camera, selfies Social Networking. No one knows what Cat their Phone is, when all the recent 5G Videos came out they got less than 1K Views (on Big Channels). No predicting what makes the Gears in Homer Simpson's Brain turn. You gotta be Toyota with exploding Airbags and sticking Accelerator, or like you said, Apple with a proprietary Infrastructure to have more Fans than a Fan Company (name a Fan Company, someone - and don't say (small) Dyson because their previous products sucked, now they blow).
If most people CARED about tech and knew their function versus cost, iPhone would essentially never sell. iPhone truly thrives off of consumer ignorance. If they knew about or cared to know about specs, knew smartphone function and capabilities and their cost, Android would dominate the market. Because they'd truly finally see they paid premium price for a mediocre hardware and software and how Android offers the best tech available with better performance and quality design for the same price. Sometimes in some cases, for LESS the cost of iPhone. Once you see iPhone sales seriously dip in sales, and I mean iPhone sales DRASTICALLY tank, THEN perhaps that will mean people got educated. And we'll finally see people wanting tech marketing. BUT until then, marketing tech like RAM and SoC, is really pointless. And the industry knows this. And that's why we dont see more emphasis or extensive marketing on such things....
Jaysann22 The tech inside iPhone is some of the best mobile tech on the market. Hear me out. A big problem people make when looking at the latest iPhone's specs is looking at just the numbers. The Apple A10 may have only 4 cores compared to 8 in some other flagships, but it is still the highest performing SOC on the flagship market? Why? Simple; it's a powerful processor. Cores and GHz are NOT everything. Does the Pentium 4 outperform a modern i3? No, definitely not; the i3, even with half the cores, simply has more power and a newer and better architecture. This can be seen in many parts of the iPhone. The iPhone 7 Plus has "only" a 2900 mAh battery; quite average in the Android world, and yet it still gets very good battery life. Battery size isn't everything, efficiency and optimisation are also part of the equation. The camera, while "only" 12MP, is still one of the best cameras on the market. The point I am making is that while the numbers on the iPhone aren't all that amazing, the actual hardware is still some of the most quality high-end stuff. Is the iPhone overpriced? Hell yeah. But the hardware inside is some great stuff.
Well... look at how many phones from other brands actually work decently enough after 4 years and you will find very few (Maybe Nexus 5, and some galaxy s4?) but not much else. I know plenty of people whose iphone 4s still works like a charm and "only" one update behind the latest after 6 years. Honestly... what other brand can say that? So... paying premium is not a problem if the phone will work just fine for double the time of a same-year-flagship. Think of it. You are right that iphones doesn't have the greatest specs on paper... but have you REALLY tried one for a week or so? I did it and never coming back man, and I was hardcore android and nexus power user. Peace mate!
noeliu When it comes to phones, Apple isn't even overpriced. Their flagships are *just as* expensive than other flagships, and what I like about their mobile devices is how long they're supported for. The Galaxy S4 released in 2013 already lost official support 2(soon to be 3) versions ago. The iPhone 5 released a couple years earlier is only *now* losing support. The Galaxy S2 and iPhone 4S were both released in 2011. The S2 got dumbed within the 1st year, while the 4S kicked on until 2016. I love how with newer iOS devices, you're guaranteed to have at least 4 new versions of the OS released for it, while with Android, you aren't even guaranteed to get a single new version.
Overclocked at least apple has simple names for their SOCs. Trying to know which snapdragon is faster and new is the same as looking at Intel's pentium lineup. Who came up with the random numbers and letters?
The big one I was expecting was cloud-based computing, with future internet infrastructure any app you want could be streamed to your device or even incorporated into your ui with no install and instant access.
one of the things consumers who are not tech saving look at is battery life so having a minor improvement or no performance improvement but that while having a long battery life for whatever reason will sell phones keeping the same interface as before will encourage going with the same company as last time when the current phone dies, saying the specs of a phone past that of how big it is most times will make no good sense to a consumer who will think more is better
Bogdan Silviu The Kirin 960 had the 8 core Mali-G71 MP8 GPU, it's the best on the market right now and Samsung is even rumored to wanna use it on the S8. Get your facts right before ya run of at the mouth
DJW 1981 Apple's A10 fusion chip is the best right now. About the S8 all rumors suggest it will sport the Snapdragon 835 and maybe Exynos 8895 in some markets.
DJW 1981 Kirin 960 looks pretty average according to benchmark. gsminsider.com/2016/11/snapdragon-821-vs-hisilicon-kirin-960-vs-apple-a10-vs-snapdragon-820-vs-exynos-8890-vs-helio-x25-comparison/
Yeah, I have HTC One M8s wich has Snapdragon 615, that processor has a TDP of around 6W or so... The aluminium body can get up to 55 degrees while playing hearthstone on 4G, its crazy. The battery is already dead after a year (it just blacks out when its really cold and i try to unlock the phone)
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In my opinion SoCs aren't so important because RAM can be a much bigger bottleneck (Android 7.1 + SD400 + 1 GB RAM)
actually Qualcomms website is pretty common language as they sell even development sets to anyone interested. If you want a truly state of the art handset beyond anything that's is available in stores, for "development purposes" .. you can buy it through them.
And nobody talks about driver quality, this is paramount to a release Support during design is also paramount, some newer companies are not up to the standard required by product manufacturers
Hey, I'm a fairly basic consumer when it comes to phones, but before my HTC M8 I had a Oneplus X, the main difference between these two is that the latter had 1 more gb of ram, but it ran unbelievably better. The 430 doesn't seem way off the 801 in both the phones I had, but the Nokia is also equipped with 4gb of ram. In my experience, I would be happier with that cheaper processor and more ram, as for my way of using the phone, the ram has previously proved to make a much bigger difference. I'm not trying to question you, I wanted to know your opinion, perhaps I'm crediting the ram while the difference lies elsewhere.
Or timing...., This phone may had been in the making for quite some time, the SOC is incredibly integrated to the system's OS. Given that they don't currently have tons of money, they may have adopted an OEM design from a chinease provider and just did not have neither the time or money to upgrade to a newer platform.
MT6753 was the lower clockspeed "upgrade" to the first true 64bit octacore chip from Mediatek (the 6752). I think MediaTek chips were a great bang-for-the-$ option (always having about two more cores than the competition), but when the Helio X20 with TEN cores couldn't hang with the SD820 and its lowly four cores, I headed back over to a LG product powered by Qualcomm SOC.
I heard the reason "old" phones cannot be updated to other androids is because the processor manufacturer do not update the driver for the processor. So I thought the most important thing to choose in a processor is this. Google Pixel for example is a Google phone and still they only promise 2 years update which is ridiculous considering an i phone.
Even though I agree to most parts - one of the main reasons to put lower end SOCs in smartphones is to distinguish low end smartphone from mid to high end Smartphones. Its to justify the upsell and the higher price.
Hi. Apple and nVidia have shown that mobile chips are now up to the task of being the main processor, even in a laptop. The new Asus Zenphone 7 Pro has a Qualcomm 865+ chipset and, with an Asus Zenscreen and a Simple bluetooth keyboard it can make a passable laptop, especially if you put Linux on it. Is this the way forward? - separate screen from processor.
5:25 exactly. the answer would be like "what are those words you just said? i don't know or care, it's apple, what more anyone needs to know?" and I'd agree. if something is crap, the technical details of why is it crap usually don't matter that much.
You're right about chip names being a nightmare. Last time I looked into buying a PC I had the nightmare task of selecting which box with which processor, then had to read up about what all this stuff means. It was a nightmare and I'm quite geek minded. It's no wonder people buy Macs - they have a limited choice, and they know it just works out of the box without having to study up for it.
The title of the video is confusing since I was expecting you will explain how should they select better SOC or say what is a better SOC. I would love to see a performance comparison or say numeric comparison between all the SOCs available in the market
Same can be said about other specs too like RAM speed, Camera specs and many other. Usually, people don't care so much they just see the superficial description and directly buy it.
Though the smartphone manufacturer is discounting the fact that usually a new non tech savy buyer will ask a tech savvy friend before a purchase and they would not give a second thought to a Snapdragon 400 series SoC in that price range
What's wrong with Snapdragon 430? The BLU Life One X2 has pretty much identical specs to the Nokia 6, including the processor, and it has very good daily usage performance.
one thing i'd say is I saw lots of people in china don't understand spec at all, all they care is number of COREs on the soc (regardless the rest), ram and storage. so as sd43 has 8 cores it make much sense to use it on this phone. "yeah, my nokia got 8 cores, 64 gb storage" sounds pretty good...
It'd be nice if ARM had a simple overarching naming scheme like Intel (i3/i5/i7) or AMD (Ryzen 3/5/7). Names matter and number in names matter even more. Something like 1xxx is series 1, 12xx is series 1 tier 2, 1234 is series 1 tier 2 speed 34.
Rooting for Mediatek. For being the underdog SoC provider they're the first ones to make all the cores in a big.LITTLE arrangement all work concurrently. They also continue to price aggressively and, while their benchmark figures aren't the best, they're pretty competitive. You don't need super duper fast performance unless you're a heavy gamer who has a big budget. Case in point, the Mediatek G90T. Geared towards gamers who don't want to or can't spend a lot on a phone, but also available in devices that aren't that expensive, such that even if you're not a gamer you can afford it.
ux is the selling factor for brands like samsung, while performance based applications of the cpu and gpu are for power users to game, not to mention getting better battery life out of lower clock speeds. you should buy your phone that suits your needs.
I actually get quite a lot of use out of the 4GB of RAM in my phone because I tend to multitask web browsing, youtube, skype, and a game simultaneously.
I get what you said, but you didn't acctualy talk about what makes a good SOC. for example is the helio x27 inferior to the Snapdragon 435, eventhough it has 10 cores at 2.7 Ghz?
Very good video for the average person to understand about the Tech that's inside of a smartphone and I miss you techno savvy you wouldn't even know. Great job explaining
The HomTom HT10 is a perfect example of splurging on some elements while basically ignoring others. The mentioned phone has some great specs for the price point it is in,,,,,,,,,,,but the antenna is absolute rubbish (phone will say you have signal, but you are really off the network; missing call after call after call until you reboot).
With new games coming out, 3gigs can often be really bad. Furthermore, if you have an overlay or whatever running simultaneously, then you'll need even more. But yes, beyond a certain point, you don't need any more.
i'm a logical person.
i see a higher number, i assume it's the best.
i want a potato.
.
What about 2 potatoes?
That is not logical
Crazycatsbackboi , That makes no sense. Software is just as important. An iPhone with 3 gigs of ram is orders of magnitude faster than an android with 5
@@danielzhan86 Since a lot of programs are actually have both versions for both android and iphone the one that have better spec is generally better.
That being said because of the lack of quality control for android apps the sheer amount of apps made by lesser or unknown companies are filled the appstore with shit like ads plagued apps and very not optimized apps. It sure does affect the performance ALOT.
I personally hope google would make a new different app store that only have the verified apps on their store that has been thoroughly checked the source code so any unoptimized and obscure apps would be denied to be there just like the apple store.
And other than that even though the basic of android itself has a very good peformance. The lack of good standard application like file manager makes the phone manufaturer had excuse to put their own bloatware into the system bloating it like shit. Using unnecesary resources.
On the other hand with that pretty quality hardware and software iphone have but with overpriced shit. Iphone have lots of limitation well even android feels like a prison for me until I have the root access in it.
There is even no basic firewall configuration we can use on iphone not even on android without root access. And the way iphone locked their phone and limiting it's capability so much is a big no for me. Man, you can only do normies shit on it.
With quality software and hardware it's really a shame iphone couldn't do much.
I ain't happy with both of them honestly. But, android has more flexibility to be more my liking. I mean they can do all the things I want but not with great expirience. Well the iphones can't even do that so who am I complaining.
And I really hate those phone manufacturers they really did use cheap ass tactics to gain profits using the ignorance of those stupid ass normies.
Few Chinese phones have more reasonable price. I ain't giving my informations to those damn filthy commies though but I also don't want to be robbed by these greedy assholes.
Early TechAlter shows what a haircut and a beard trim can do to a man!
Not gay
gone bald now
If I was a smartphone manufacturer i would give people a fucking rock
Alex The Commie
o , you wanna copy Apple!??
Debangsu Sarkar haha thats why its faster then every smartphone out now 😛 sweetie,
Alex The Commie lmao the air phone, look it up 😂unbox therapy does a video on it 0megapixel camera 0 battery 0 pixels lcd or oled unknown 😂 the most expensive model is THE AIr phone whih is air and two smaller models.
OverKnight 52 I know I know
OverKnight 52 I watched that, and that company is great.
Its interesting that companies advertise phones like "Octa-core", "13MP cam" to lure people
Aria Dhika Rayendra that is exactly my j7 2015 ....only numbers...not reality
UrAvgGamer that is why I like iPhones. Bad specs but good User Experience
Gfjfj Ufidi don't forget the guaranteed long-term support.
If Apple products weren't so expensive, I'd recommend them to everyone who doesn't understand electronics very well.
Octa-core is only there because of battery
It's also funny how people advertise every pathetic budget soc as "powerful" and "can run all your favourite games without slowing down", whereas the the only phones that actually match that description hardly get their socs mentioned. It's like they're trying to disappoint their customers once they try to run CSR2 on their new Alcatel Pixi.
alright dude.. u need to explain the differences between them.. don't just leave us there
painful1978 "clic"video "gg apple" please put an iPhone in my ...
the snapdragon 8XX series has been the high end series and currently the most powerful snapdragon is the 835.
next we have the 6xx series, these are still powerful enough but not as powerful as the 8xx series and the newest model is the 635 (btw snapdragon 635 > snapdragon 801). Then we have the budget 4xx series where you still have enough horsepower to do basic tasks but don't expect to run 3D games that great.
Helio's X20,P20 offer a better performance than the 635 at the same price but they get warmer and they consume more battery.
Samsung sometimes uses its' own chips called Exynos.
Huawei also uses its' own chips.
So does Apple.
BΩS yeeey :D thank you!
@@haralabospap7091 Nice explanation !! Good wishes ! for helping other.
snapdragon 430 should be on smartwatch with 1 GB ram
64 bit dafuq, i have a 150 dollars phone with a 435 (10-20% stronger) and it works very good. (It is a xiaomi redmi 4x)
Hosthan i have sd 625 lol
yeah, but it isn't going to have a whole lot of longevity in performance.
64 bit it's really a pretty decent soc, specially with the price tag you have.
Stay away from SD 435 and 430 they are molacus slow, get something with SD 660 beast of a soc
Totally agree man. Love this series.
TechDevoted o.k. now I know
I'd like a 5.5" or larger Windows 10 phone to try out but there aren't any decent models that I can find.
What alcatel phone? pixi,pop? Im using a Alcatel Pixi 4 (5)
mira arix alcatel idol 3 which i have theres also the idol 4
Leo nardo Vinshent yeah they make great products for the price but there are way better phones out now for even cheaper that offer way better specs even a bigger screen at 4 k
Huawei have done an admirable job with their household Kirin Chipshet . Although people dont realize it... they have done very well to be honest
Astitwa Niraula you're right!
Not really, weak ass GPU
Yeah... But the GPU leaves a lot to be desired.... Even Samsung uses the same GPU on the international versions but with more cores just to keep up with the Snapdragon variant. Even that doesn't help in most cases... Even though fortnite Android was launched with the Note 9, Note 9 and S9+ exynos can only go high while my OnePlus 6 can do epic.
GPU Turbo is making all of their GPU's better, and possibly better than the 845
@@adp46 not even close
WHY ON EARTH DOES THIS GUY NOT HAVE MORE SUBSCRIBERS?!?
Toiwing he's probably too honest
He doesn't have boobs sticking out while he talks.
because of his haircut...
Toiwing HE'S FUCKING NEW HERE!!
You got to start From somewhere right!
Rabolisk he has that lower lip hanging. Looks like botox haha
I really love that this channel gives actual analysis. Most tech channels just regurgitate spec sheets, with a bland "I like this phone" - you actually try to figure out how the market thinks and moves the way it does. It's very interesting.
Nokia have been guilty of releasing underspecified phones... remember Lumia 720 or 830?
@ErbiuMilan I think that's more because back then Windows Phone up to 8.1 was largely text-based and minimalistic, thus it could run on minimal specs almost as good as on great specs bar heavy apps and games. Also, if you have a WP, I'm here dreaming with you brother :) gonna run this phone dead before they pry it off of me for another platform XD
Adolf Hitler unless you're a proven oracle, your comment will continue to be irrelevant
Faris Firdaws waiting for the Surface Phone with Windows 10 on ARM
I thought the 830 was decently spec'd. The 650 that "replaces" it? Well... I only paid $109 for it. Windows 8.1 was better in so many ways (WiFiSense, for one). Only Maps (Here) is the improvement that stands out.
ErbiuMilan remember Nokia 3310? We didn't care about specs back then Haha
Or the 1020, born with already ancient hardware
Hi. Please create a video explaining more about smartphone processors. Help us understand which processor works best on what feature or a processor that can do all of the features in a highest quality possible. For a normal user like me though quite understand how chips and stuffs inside a phone works, we assume that the more expensive a phone means the better or even the best to use which is true but in the back of my head, there's something that contradicts it. It thinks that, there must be a way to get the best phone without spending too much as I'm a business graduate and I know how business works so there might be some tricks we can learn to get the best smartphone. High UX and less COST. Please advice. Thanks!
you cannot go wrong with a snapdragon 635 or 8xx
If I remember correctly nokia x series was the first android powered smartphones by nokia.
Rajorsi Roy Chowdhury nopes, they ran a forked version. Android app side-loading was supported but that's it. Everything else was locked down.
Sandhya Saini Moreover those phones were like crap. They had weak processors, less storage, older version of android and in fact the XL phone has a 5 inch screen with 480p resolution😁.
Rajorsi Roy Chowdhury I have the X2 as my main device cause I'm poor. Its not really real android you need to root it with google services and playstore so that it can be called android.
Steve Jobs I am too using an old phone as my main device which doesn't even has a camera flash
Rajorsi Roy Chowdhury If it wasn't for dumbasses who swooned over Apple's shiny new toy; we'd still have mighty fine Nokia. This started the chain of consumerism and more landfills. For what it's worth Symbian worked really well. It served well everyone, including multimedia buffs and business guys. Internet browser sure was basic but remember that data was expensive as fuck in 2007 and first iPhone didn't even have WCDMA/UMTS so opening even most basic pages was a pain in the ass since full pages had to be loaded. Planned obsolescence and smartphone addiction are all because of same stupidity pioneered by Apple. Nokia was Nokia sir. Back in those Days, I never needed to upgrade to new phone every next year due to laggy UI or to get a bettet SOC
😂 that’s true. I’m an iPhone user and I don’t even know my phone specs. 😂
I don’t care at all, as long as it works properly.
I don't have iPhone and I don't care about it)
Snapdragon 430 can hit almost 3000 points in geekbench 3 and my nexus 5x has 3500 so it's not so bad. My old Moto G had only 1200 points with Snapdragon 400. So budget Socs are getting better and better every year, soon average joe will be able to buy pretty good phone for around $200 and be happy with it. Cheers to that!
Jack Axefist bro but as the phones chips are growing the apps and games will also ask more from the phone it will stay like I think it's the continues process the app and game developer will make more graphics games and app as new processer are coming which can handle more but you are right are daily task will be done easily by cheap smart phone. great,,😀
www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=6294 ( nokia 6 vs lg g3 )
TL:DR Pretty much the same except G3 was released in 2014
Soc :
GeekBench Nokia 6 LG G3
single core 630 940
multi core 2742 2141
nokia 6 is 250$ not 200$
Jack Axefist Because
benchmarks are sooo useful.....
benchmarks are literally worthless measurements
Jack Axefist the chips get better because everything you do gets more demanding , so a low end chip will always perform worse untill everything is insanely optimized
I'm still using a Nokia 6. I bought it at a time, when I didn't know anything about tech and the only thing I cared about was it had 32GB of internal storage. I realised the mistake of buying a 2017 phone with a 2015 Snapdragon 4-Series SoC when the poor thing started struggling to handle Hill Climb Racing 2.
Sir, You are right. Here in India also maximum peoples doesn't have any knowledge about SoC specially at off line market. They simply go for design and brand name/value only...
Debabrata Das not only that. if we go to offline store for buying a phone without deciding which one to buy, they will show you some random shitty phones which no one will buy and will convince us to buy that phone even you know something about this stuff.
Debabrata Das True !!!
Once I asked a sales guy how much ram a particular tab on display had and he said 720p !!
he also said this was the best tablet in market, had alarm, calculator, mp3 player built in :P
Amal Syed
lol
+debabrata das true,this is the reason that there are soo many apple fanboys here which do not know anything abt soc,their architecture,pixels and all..
i m nt saying that each and every guy should be technical bt atleast they should have general knowledge b4 buying the products
ritik gupta Leave apple, what about the fu kin Xiaomi devices, idk why people are buying them with heavy MIUI...They could just use some light UI or Stock android??
vivek gangwar
ppl buy them bcoz of their good specs at low price...
I don't see the point that why ppl shouldn't buy them
as a product manager its a great lesson for me, because i am tech guy i know every detail of a every part of a product. knowing this details are so natural and basic for me , and that will affect my decisions on how a device should be designed and marketed . that's where i loose mass markets
I love "The Story Behind" series. Informative!
I hope you hit 1M this year :)
Snapdragon 652 is probably best bang for your buck
Well, for raw performance a random sort of high end mediatek would be better. The thing I don't like about mediatek chipsets is that they usually have a strong cpu core, but the other chips on the soc are fairly mediocre, to bad.
taief miah SD821 all the way
taief miah SD835
taief miah people don't know that or doesn't care about that.
Actually the 625 as for those that say flaghip chips like 820 and 835 are virtually always the worse bang for buck, my argument is powerful chips will not aleays use all their power so every time you use a less demanding task your wasting money but with energy efficient chips like the 625 you use it to full potential 100% of the time
So happy I found this channel. The videos feel so well made and so well informative. It's easy to understand and it also gives you multiple perspectives on things.
I still say the battery is the most important component
That's exactly the point if this video , people don't know what they need. Of course you wouldn't buy a shit phone with a 15ooo milliamp battery , But you say it's the most important feature.....
Ez3k1e7 no your trying to tell me what thought process i used to come to this conclusion i say it is the most important feature because nothing can run without a energy source, if i have a shit phone guess what i still have a phone but it impossible to have a device at all that has no energy source
And i didnt say feature i said component
So, on a video about how important a good SoC is , you commented to say that batteries are important because without them the device won't work. You are right , your thought process truly is a mystery to me.
On a budget: Lenovo K2. It has 5x the batterylife of an iPhone 7 Plus.
On a BIG budget: Used Lenovo K2. Seriously, this device is unbeatable. Good luck watching video on this phone! It lasts about 30 hours when watching video on high brightness lol. The S7 Edge only lasts about 20 hours and the iPhone 7 Plus lasts 7 hours on high brightness.
No budget: International Galaxy S7 Edge. It has 2.5x the batterylife of an iPhone 7 Plus. Also, the S7 Edge is the fastest smartphone, with the best camera & display.
Clorex Bleach you mean p2?
your channel definitely deserves more recognition for the amount of work you put into it. kudus friend!
Offcourse we tech buyers are all blessed with knowledge. Thank God.
too bad were not blessed with the power of charisma ;-;
Bk Lkshy of course to the normies we are but outcasts
Yes, knowledge, "offcourse".
And when we're tasked to buy cosmetics or sanitary pads, the situation is suddenly reversed.
3:34 you make a mistake SD820 has 8 cores, SD420 has 4 cores
Loved this video. I couldn't agree more with you.
Me: I don't have an iPhone but i couldn't care less which SOC i have because it works how i expect it. (Moto G5)
Five minutes later: Ok its a Snapdragon 430 lol
Next: TechAltar gets hired by Apple
Snapdragon 835 is the best SOC atm! The Nokia 8 is going to feature it as well as 6 GB of RAM. I'm gonna get that phone!
My poco has 8gigs and 845 and costs way less. But never mind.
@@OtisAdonisChad it came out late , their comment is 3 years older.Prices have changed.
For same price I got 1.5Gb ram ( Galaxy E5 ) I can get A Tecno Spark 20 pro + ( 8gb ram ) , Chipset is also better Helio 99 , not bad but much better than 420 SD from E5.
I want a phone that doesn't need dongles to connect to anything.I can lay it on my desk and my 32 inch monitor comes on and I can plays Crysis at 4K.I want to be able to put what OS I want on it.I only want to pay $20 for it.
- Cast for Streaming Video or Audio
- TeamViewer for Controlling & Streaming Computer Viewing to phone (I saw this comments debunking GTA5 on Android)
- Cloud, Wifi-Direct or Bluetooth for Sending Files
- As for the OS...I wish for that too (Using Windows 7 Apps on Android or vice-versa)...we have to wait for Vulkan-made Games (Phones have a Mid-Ware called OpenGLES for rendering 3D for Mobile and OpenGL for PC rendering, but Vulkan allows games made for PC & Mobile...and trust some mobile games look & play as good as PC games)
My Phone has Vulkan GPU (Go to GSMarena > Find your GPU Model > Google if it has Vulkan support)
5:58 I disagree because chip makers for phones do not sell to customers at all. They advertise to phone makers. This is unlike the PC market where the chip makers there do sell directly to customers. There is absolutely no situation where someone would solely upgrade their phone's CPU.
I have to partly disagree with this video. The majority of the consumers just doesn't care about the CPU clock, number of cores or amount of RAM. Thus chip manufacturers advertising to the public is just a waste of money, instead they advertise to the companies which use them. Smartphone manufacturers try to appeal to the majority by trying to make it "trendy" and adding these numbers and characters just doesn't appeal to the average user.
That video you mentioned at the start isn't really there, mate.
Oops, I have just added it. Thanks!
Anytime mate, and great video. I'll make sure to look deeper into the chipset side when I'm getting a new phone :)
No, I live in India.
you gotta love martons angle on things....it's always on point and so interesting to listen to and generaly make total sense....love this series marton...it deserves it's 47,000+ views at the time of writing this comment
low tier CPU = lower consumption = smaller battery required
Thunder Kat not necessarily
I'm just pointing out a benefit of having less cpu power. And is a fact than 2 cores would consume less than 8 cores dude, as long as the technology apply to them correspond to the same nanotech use on the 8 cores cpu. You don't need 8 cores anyways, same as PC it only help to render video files, all other aplications use 1 or 2 cores at most.
Well power future has been refine more and more over the years. I remember the first GPU having dinamic overclock to save power, think was the HD 5000 series from Ati and on CPU was the Core2Duo and Phenom I think. Power protection was a nice future as well came with Intel alone at some point back in the Pentium Era. Now we have advance procesor using Onboard/Internal GPU and swiching base on need, just to save more power (very helpfull on notebooks with dedicated GPUs when you are not gamming). And now we also getting to the point of smart HD working with the OS to speed things up (Intel optane and Hybrid SSD). What we need to most to have better mobile tech some brake on battery tecnology, is dangerous to have 2 much charge on them, but make them smaller is a big step that could bring smart-watch back into the market.
Yeah, let's run a Pentium 3 with a phone battery and see how long it lasts lol
Yhea I know the arquitecture is different, no worries I know that allready...
I would like to see an episode explaining in depth the different chips!
accurate for apple fans
Pervy Ghoul yah except iPhones tho cuz their processors are optimized
Pervy Ghoul Except iPhones have the fastest SOC AND STORAGE
Admiral Ashik nope
also what about their computers obsurdly expensive but very underpowered
+Tim +Cl0nec0mmand0 You guys didn't follow the news didn't you. Apple implement NVMe since 6S which give them insane storage speed compare to other companies' product. For SoC just look at the benchmark such as Geekbench whenever a new A-Series processor announce along side with their iPhone or iPad. It always blew every other products on the market out of water often by significant margin for many years now. The single thread performance of A10 on iPhone 7 is even comparable to an laptop intel i3 or even lower end i5 which is almost twice the performance of the best chip on the Android camp, the Snapdragon 820.
Hsieh Mike even the A9 still a beast. Android flagships cant even pass the single core score of the A9 😂
The software experience is way more influential on the user experience than the SOC imo. My Galaxy S7 lags horribly even when doing basic things like checking twitter, and it's a $600 phone. A OnePlus One that I got for $85 is substantially faster when doing basic tasks. It comes down to Software > Hardware
1700 yen smartphone? Yeah... uhm, here have a dongle for that price :D
But sadly, the rest of the video - meh at best.
there are good reasons for using a lower-end SoC. if the smartphone is not designed for heavy tasks like gaming, but lighter tasks like just browsing, watching videos, or playing PokemonGo.
Cause in that case a stronger CPU won't help, but more Ram actually does. Just keep all tabs open and cause you have enough ram to keep everything loaded, it responds way faster.
And another reason is battery lifetime.
Higher clockspeeds simply drain the battery faster.
Same as with an office-computer you do not even need a Pentium let alone an i3/5/7 - a celeron works just fine.
ABaumstumpf You my friend, make sense!
ABaumstumpf wrong. i don't game but celeron are terrible i use pentium and imo it is still not sufficient in the long term (1 or 2 years)
Sure sure kenny - and office programms don't start on anything but a quadcore with 3 Ghz......
Oh look at that, even an Intel Atom is strong enough for that.
You don't need to have a racing-car to go shopping and a celeron will be more than enough for office-work in the next 15 years or even longer. Cause yes, there are enough people that are still rocking Pentium 4 or Athlon XP.
ABaumstumpf i have tried using a trinity amd a8 and it is laggy as hell in my rig. now i switched to g4400 purely because upgrade paths are the widest. and the reason keeping me from upgrading is the budget. yes i can run like skylines, battlefield 3 there will be times when i wanted to play some games (evem not for a long period of time) and regret when the pc is not capable
First off, its 1600 Yuan＝230 USD. Second, if you attempt to play 3D games, cpu/gpu matters. If it's just for light daily use, 435 with 4G LPDDS 3 ram is enough. BTW most of the fast phones have LPDDR4
There's also other factors, like storage, camera quality, battery capacity/life in addition to UX and performance metrics. The SoC starts to become more relevant as you move up tiers towards flagship devices.
I find it amazing that that small SoC contains some features that takes up my whole ATX motherboard. I mean sure, my A8 is wayy slower than my 6700K, 16GB DDR4, and GTX 970, the fact it still contains all that is amazing.
Thanks for being the best source, for those deeper insights into the mobile tech industry. This is a topic, that probably wont get tackle by the spec-reading folks over on other tech-chanels, who give insights into the first months of using a phone, which are not the ones, being a problem with newer smartphones.
You just dashed Nokia's comeback to Phone market :(
Yaser Farid Not really. This is more condescending arrogance on the part of the tech community. Nokia has more phone announcements planned and to poo poo this phone despite its obvious appeal, is plain dishonest.
As a tech oriented Apple user, I also happen to know that the A10 in my phone is a 64 bit quad core and has 3 GB of RAM. I specifically got it over the 6+ for that reason, as more ram is likely to make it last more OS upgrades. I tend to use a phone for a long time: I went from a iPhone 3GS/32 to an 7+/256 model, which I hope will last me 6ish years again.
i think samsung should stick to their exynos cpus instead of the snapdragon since its better i guess
Tigerkitty Well i mean, Exynos IS for Samsung, so...
That seems to be there plan for the future, they're gradually switching to it. Some versions of the Galaxy S line get the Exynos already, the rest get Snapdragon. It could be something to do with the amount of processors they need, maybe they don't yet have the resources to produce enough Exynos processors to meet the demand, so they still need Quallcom to make up the numbers.
Edwin Owen no it's actually due to Snapdragon and their shitty rules they have some patents and don't allow Samsung to sell Exynos variant devices in USA
You should never change this song! I love it soo much!
My OnePlus 3T has the Snapdragon 821. It also has 6GB RAM. Powerhouse
Evan Stephanoff I think it's the best for your money at this time.
Vojtěch Salami yeah
Evan Stephanoff It's a very nice phone.
The processor in an iPhone 6S outperforms the Snapdragon 821.......and by a good distance. The extra ram is nice though. Guess we know who OnePlus is targeting lol
Vojtěch Salami Buy an IPhone if you want speed
TechAltar, you are genius to spot their managerial strategies, we need more people like you!
I have purchased Nokia 6 as a dual SIM replacement for my irrepairably damaged S7 EDGE. The N6 does what it promises for me and it does everything as well as the S7E did. It outperforms the single SIM S7E in terms of battery endurance and sound quality for about half of the price (without contract).
As a product manager with 25 years industry experience in hw&sw product development, I can say that Nokia did everything absolutely correct and that you do not have a clue what you are talking about.
I have to agree and I really don't like him blaming the chip makers. I think he is just an "enthusiast" with a marketing or media background.
Nokia is still the best manufacture, I even still have my 3310 😅
Watching on my Nokia 6. Runs really well. Latest Android and over 30 apps installed.
nice video quality
Just like having more RAM, or more storage, or more/better anything; a better processor isn't always necessary.
How efficient is the OS? If there are customisations, how efficient are they?
Does the phone have a camera that needs more processing power?
Is the phone aimed at customers who will be running a lot of apps?
Is the phone aimed at customers who will be using a lot processing power?
How does this all fit into the budget of designing the phone?
I don't get it. I, being an Hardware guy, couldn't care less about CPU Performance in a Smartphone. Especially since it's only used for my for checking emails and reading through Websites on the go. My Blackberry DTEK is more than adequate for doing that. I am not even using 4G (LTE) since my contract really only grants me 54kbit/s.
Can't speak for everyone but I'd like high CPU power because devices slow down over time and I plan on using my phone for a minimum of 4 years
What you need is a decent suite of benchmarks that isolate the performance of the SoC alone and produce simple to understand results.
Once again you nailed it pretty well. 👍 Please don't use that Nokia 6 commercial anymore.
Man, it's so hard to find enough relevant video material to show while I make my point. Whenever I feel like there is nothing left that I can use, I just throw in random videos :D
TechAltar I think people would love to see more of you instead 😄
you forgot to add "No HOMO"
Zohair Chohan he is just a piece of *$hit* don't consider his sayings true. He is Dumb! He Don't know about any company. He is a *Paid* *RUclipsr!*
From a computer science major and hobbyist computer builder.
I think one major issue that comes with faster more powerful processors is heat. A phone has very little space and CANNOT fit any kind of significant heatsink to solve this. Liquid cooling is impractical due to how often people drop their phones (and back when i was in highschool they would intentionally throw their phones at hard objects and make bets knowing that if their warrenty covered a replacement if they "dropped" the phone.) resulting in the seal potentially being comprimised. Again you need space for a radiator of some kind. not ideal for a phone.
second is battery life. Processing power is directly connected to power draw. This means putting a 8 core 2.15 Ghz processor(the actual spec for a S6 according to walmart. i just passed it a few seconds ago.) will have a significantly shorter battery life especially when being strained. Extended use will bring back issue one as your phone may become so hot you may not want to handle it. Desktops commonly push 55-60 degrees celcius when they are heavily strained and they have cooling. Then you ask a device with 1/4th the power to cool itself in about 1/100th of the space without any dedicated cooling.
Final thing i will point out is when is the last time anyone could not run a app due to the hardware not having what it takes to run it? i personally have not had that issue ever even with my cheap 50$ economy smart phone.
Computers on the other hand have issues like that all the time.
What it comes down to is wether you even need that power. Each core can run a single process. 4 is usually plenty. I have never needed 8 cores simaltaniously on my desktop much less in a phone. The marketability of mobile phone processors is crap because there is no good basis or reason to upgrade because you can already use everything. upgrading may even shorten the battery life which is a awful. No one likes a dead battery.
You didn't mention that 3 Devices are needed:
1. Quality for 💰
2. Middle of the road for fencers
3. Better than Crap, for cheap
When you talk about SoCs some people just think you're trying to be cool, spelling Socks that way; or they're technical and they _know_ it's the Socket (when they're never socketed).
It's all about the Camera, selfies Social Networking. No one knows what Cat their Phone is, when all the recent 5G Videos came out they got less than 1K Views (on Big Channels).
No predicting what makes the Gears in Homer Simpson's Brain turn.
You gotta be Toyota with exploding Airbags and sticking Accelerator, or like you said, Apple with a proprietary Infrastructure to have more Fans than a Fan Company (name a Fan Company, someone - and don't say (small) Dyson because their previous products sucked, now they blow).
I wonder if Socketed SoCs exist (if not on a smartphone)
I have been watching a great deal of your videos without subscribing, but now it was sure was about time! Proud to be a subscriber!!
If most people CARED about tech and knew their function versus cost, iPhone would essentially never sell. iPhone truly thrives off of consumer ignorance. If they knew about or cared to know about specs, knew smartphone function and capabilities and their cost, Android would dominate the market. Because they'd truly finally see they paid premium price for a mediocre hardware and software and how Android offers the best tech available with better performance and quality design for the same price. Sometimes in some cases, for LESS the cost of iPhone. Once you see iPhone sales seriously dip in sales, and I mean iPhone sales DRASTICALLY tank, THEN perhaps that will mean people got educated. And we'll finally see people wanting tech marketing. BUT until then, marketing tech like RAM and SoC, is really pointless. And the industry knows this. And that's why we dont see more emphasis or extensive marketing on such things....
Jaysann22 The tech inside iPhone is some of the best mobile tech on the market. Hear me out.
A big problem people make when looking at the latest iPhone's specs is looking at just the numbers. The Apple A10 may have only 4 cores compared to 8 in some other flagships, but it is still the highest performing SOC on the flagship market? Why? Simple; it's a powerful processor. Cores and GHz are NOT everything. Does the Pentium 4 outperform a modern i3? No, definitely not; the i3, even with half the cores, simply has more power and a newer and better architecture.
This can be seen in many parts of the iPhone. The iPhone 7 Plus has "only" a 2900 mAh battery; quite average in the Android world, and yet it still gets very good battery life. Battery size isn't everything, efficiency and optimisation are also part of the equation. The camera, while "only" 12MP, is still one of the best cameras on the market.
The point I am making is that while the numbers on the iPhone aren't all that amazing, the actual hardware is still some of the most quality high-end stuff. Is the iPhone overpriced? Hell yeah. But the hardware inside is some great stuff.
Well... look at how many phones from other brands actually work decently enough after 4 years and you will find very few (Maybe Nexus 5, and some galaxy s4?) but not much else. I know plenty of people whose iphone 4s still works like a charm and "only" one update behind the latest after 6 years. Honestly... what other brand can say that?
So... paying premium is not a problem if the phone will work just fine for double the time of a same-year-flagship. Think of it.
You are right that iphones doesn't have the greatest specs on paper... but have you REALLY tried one for a week or so? I did it and never coming back man, and I was hardcore android and nexus power user.
Peace mate!
noeliu When it comes to phones, Apple isn't even overpriced. Their flagships are *just as* expensive than other flagships, and what I like about their mobile devices is how long they're supported for. The Galaxy S4 released in 2013 already lost official support 2(soon to be 3) versions ago. The iPhone 5 released a couple years earlier is only *now* losing support. The Galaxy S2 and iPhone 4S were both released in 2011. The S2 got dumbed within the 1st year, while the 4S kicked on until 2016. I love how with newer iOS devices, you're guaranteed to have at least 4 new versions of the OS released for it, while with Android, you aren't even guaranteed to get a single new version.
noeliu im still using S4 now... replied this via S4...
Proud S4 user...
Overclocked at least apple has simple names for their SOCs. Trying to know which snapdragon is faster and new is the same as looking at Intel's pentium lineup. Who came up with the random numbers and letters?
Very nice explanation. I honestly never thought about this that deeply before!
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Harikrishnan already on zenfone before, but it shit
Did you mean: overheating
nice joke
The big one I was expecting was cloud-based computing, with future internet infrastructure any app you want could be streamed to your device or even incorporated into your ui with no install and instant access.
I have a Snapdragon 3310, the best CPU
Wtf are you talking abt that doesn't exist -.-
Basso Ftw snapdragon 3310, the best battery
Nokia 3310. Use ur brain basso.
U it's faaaaaaaaar better than a10 fusion😝😝
U Bet it feels like fire in your hands when it heats up too lol.
one of the things consumers who are not tech saving look at is battery life so having a minor improvement or no performance improvement but that while having a long battery life for whatever reason will sell phones keeping the same interface as before will encourage going with the same company as last time when the current phone dies, saying the specs of a phone past that of how big it is most times will make no good sense to a consumer who will think more is better
Huawei's Kirin chips are the best right now.
DJW 1981 the gpus on them are absolute shit
Bogdan Silviu The Kirin 960 had the 8 core Mali-G71 MP8 GPU, it's the best on the market right now and Samsung is even rumored to wanna use it on the S8. Get your facts right before ya run of at the mouth
ok then
DJW 1981 Apple's A10 fusion chip is the best right now. About the S8 all rumors suggest it will sport the Snapdragon 835 and maybe Exynos 8895 in some markets.
DJW 1981 Kirin 960 looks pretty average according to benchmark. gsminsider.com/2016/11/snapdragon-821-vs-hisilicon-kirin-960-vs-apple-a10-vs-snapdragon-820-vs-exynos-8890-vs-helio-x25-comparison/
Yeah, I have HTC One M8s wich has Snapdragon 615, that processor has a TDP of around 6W or so... The aluminium body can get up to 55 degrees while playing hearthstone on 4G, its crazy. The battery is already dead after a year (it just blacks out when its really cold and i try to unlock the phone)
In my opinion SoCs aren't so important because RAM can be a much bigger bottleneck (Android 7.1 + SD400 + 1 GB RAM)
Doma Pálvölgyi it’s not a pc.. bottle neck doesn’t even work on phone cpu.. why people says bias thing when they can’t buy a damn flagship phone..
@@SamuraiDanny because people are not stupid to buy a $1000 phone.
actually Qualcomms website is pretty common language as they sell even development sets to anyone interested. If you want a truly state of the art handset beyond anything that's is available in stores, for "development purposes" .. you can buy it through them.
I hear lemmino
Denmark makes terrible overpriced phones
And nobody talks about driver quality, this is paramount to a release
Support during design is also paramount, some newer companies are not up to the standard required by product manufacturers
Use USD! China doesn't use RUclips anyway
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Michael B. Yen = japanese money... go to school please... japan does have youtube...
keiichii tanaka he said yuan not yen
Michael B Fucking yank. Fuck you and fuck your nation. Go fuck yourself. Hope North Korea nukes you all to hell.
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Hey, I'm a fairly basic consumer when it comes to phones, but before my HTC M8 I had a Oneplus X, the main difference between these two is that the latter had 1 more gb of ram, but it ran unbelievably better. The 430 doesn't seem way off the 801 in both the phones I had, but the Nokia is also equipped with 4gb of ram. In my experience, I would be happier with that cheaper processor and more ram, as for my way of using the phone, the ram has previously proved to make a much bigger difference. I'm not trying to question you, I wanted to know your opinion, perhaps I'm crediting the ram while the difference lies elsewhere.
oh c'mon. nokia 6 is for china anyway. they couldnt care less about chips.
Or timing...., This phone may had been in the making for quite some time, the SOC is incredibly integrated to the system's OS. Given that they don't currently have tons of money, they may have adopted an OEM design from a chinease provider and just did not have neither the time or money to upgrade to a newer platform.
They should of put in a thread ripper
along with a 1080ti
and people would still buy iphone
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MT6753 was the lower clockspeed "upgrade" to the first true 64bit octacore chip from Mediatek (the 6752). I think MediaTek chips were a great bang-for-the-$ option (always having about two more cores than the competition), but when the Helio X20 with TEN cores couldn't hang with the SD820 and its lowly four cores, I headed back over to a LG product powered by Qualcomm SOC.
I heard the reason "old" phones cannot be updated to other androids is because the processor manufacturer do not update the driver for the processor. So I thought the most important thing to choose in a processor is this. Google Pixel for example is a Google phone and still they only promise 2 years update which is ridiculous considering an i phone.
i've never been cpu bound on a phone but constantly built in storage bound, since some apps don't allow installation on secondary storage
Can you do videos on the actual differences between the SOCs rather than just leaving the issue here?
Even though I agree to most parts - one of the main reasons to put lower end SOCs in smartphones is to distinguish low end smartphone from mid to high end Smartphones. Its to justify the upsell and the higher price.
Hi. Apple and nVidia have shown that mobile chips are now up to the task of being the main processor, even in a laptop. The new Asus Zenphone 7 Pro has a Qualcomm 865+ chipset and, with an Asus Zenscreen and a Simple bluetooth keyboard it can make a passable laptop, especially if you put Linux on it. Is this the way forward? - separate screen from processor.
5:25 exactly. the answer would be like "what are those words you just said? i don't know or care, it's apple, what more anyone needs to know?"
and I'd agree. if something is crap, the technical details of why is it crap usually don't matter that much.
You're right about chip names being a nightmare. Last time I looked into buying a PC I had the nightmare task of selecting which box with which processor, then had to read up about what all this stuff means. It was a nightmare and I'm quite geek minded. It's no wonder people buy Macs - they have a limited choice, and they know it just works out of the box without having to study up for it.
The title of the video is confusing since I was expecting you will explain how should they select better SOC or say what is a better SOC. I would love to see a performance comparison or say numeric comparison between all the SOCs available in the market
Same can be said about other specs too like RAM speed, Camera specs and many other. Usually, people don't care so much they just see the superficial description and directly buy it.
Though the smartphone manufacturer is discounting the fact that usually a new non tech savy buyer will ask a tech savvy friend before a purchase and they would not give a second thought to a Snapdragon 400 series SoC in that price range
What's wrong with Snapdragon 430? The BLU Life One X2 has pretty much identical specs to the Nokia 6, including the processor, and it has very good daily usage performance.
Adding more RAM does have a fair impact as it affects how much you can multitask which is a big UX
As always, great job with your explanations. I feel like I actually understand more thanks to you.
one thing i'd say is I saw lots of people in china don't understand spec at all, all they care is number of COREs on the soc (regardless the rest), ram and storage. so as sd43 has 8 cores it make much sense to use it on this phone. "yeah, my nokia got 8 cores, 64 gb storage" sounds pretty good...
Awesome series! Thank you!!
It'd be nice if ARM had a simple overarching naming scheme like Intel (i3/i5/i7) or AMD (Ryzen 3/5/7). Names matter and number in names matter even more. Something like 1xxx is series 1, 12xx is series 1 tier 2, 1234 is series 1 tier 2 speed 34.
Rooting for Mediatek. For being the underdog SoC provider they're the first ones to make all the cores in a big.LITTLE arrangement all work concurrently. They also continue to price aggressively and, while their benchmark figures aren't the best, they're pretty competitive. You don't need super duper fast performance unless you're a heavy gamer who has a big budget. Case in point, the Mediatek G90T. Geared towards gamers who don't want to or can't spend a lot on a phone, but also available in devices that aren't that expensive, such that even if you're not a gamer you can afford it.
ux is the selling factor for brands like samsung, while performance based applications of the cpu and gpu are for power users to game, not to mention getting better battery life out of lower clock speeds. you should buy your phone that suits your needs.
I actually get quite a lot of use out of the 4GB of RAM in my phone because I tend to multitask web browsing, youtube, skype, and a game simultaneously.
I get what you said,
but you didn't acctualy talk about what makes a good SOC.
for example is the helio x27 inferior to the Snapdragon 435, eventhough it has 10 cores at 2.7 Ghz?
Very good video for the average person to understand about the Tech that's inside of a smartphone and I miss you techno savvy you wouldn't even know. Great job explaining
The HomTom HT10 is a perfect example of splurging on some elements while basically ignoring others. The mentioned phone has some great specs for the price point it is in,,,,,,,,,,,but the antenna is absolute rubbish (phone will say you have signal, but you are really off the network; missing call after call after call until you reboot).
With new games coming out, 3gigs can often be really bad. Furthermore, if you have an overlay or whatever running simultaneously, then you'll need even more. But yes, beyond a certain point, you don't need any more.