Imagine being the best student at school, earning the praise of all your teachers, and being denied graduation anyways. On top of that, your own teacher tells you to just "figure it out." You'd be pissed and feel cheated, which is exactly what happened to Freedon Nadd
Not just a student of any subject. Imagine being in training to become a Catholic priest, and surpassing all other students in your lessons, and then becoming arrogant, and not chosen to be ordained as a priest because of it.
It happened to me. There are two kinds of school exams in my country. One takes place directly at school, the other at an independent testing center. I knew that I was significantly better than everyone else. I often won various competitions and even wrote my own research paper when I was only 16, for which I won a prestigious prize. But I had one classmate whose parents bribed the school so that her school exam results were much better than others. She even got a gold medal. She was very narcissistic, with an incredibly inflated ego, and was constantly trying to humiliate me. But in the end, my scores at the independent testing center were an order of magnitude better than hers, she wasn't even in second or third place behind me. So I wasn't upset about that. Even now (10 years later) it's funny to remember this situation.
@Yusuf Musa : No one gives a shit about anyone on the Internet, kid. Anyone who says they do is a liar. And if you fuck with your friends’ property, online or offline, soon you won’t have any friends, and you won’t deserve any.
During the "Dark Wars", Nihilus' soldiers and dark-side followers conducted a beast-control ritual through the dark side from Nadd's tomb in order to use them to invade the royal palace. So his influence continued even after Exar Kun's defeat.
Because Freedon Nadd and Exar Kunn both died second deaths of their spirits, do you ever wonder if that means there is nothing left of their consciousness, no taste, no smell, no sight, no sound, no sight, no feeling just oblivion, forever?
@@AroAceGamer Sorry for late reply. Yes I mean real death in the atheistic secular view, eternal nothingness. It never tells you what happened to Freedon Nadd and Exar Kunn's consciousnesses after their spirits were destroyed.
I am with Naad on this one. Whilst his master did explain to him what was wrong she responded to his outburst by goading him... then letting him kill her to cement his dark side turn. Are a Jedi always this moronic? She did a better job of turning a Jedi than Sidious.
What the master did was mostly right. It was a test and one that naad failed. He lacked humility and had issues with anger especially when it comes to disrespect. If someone like this was allowed to become a jedi he would misuse their teachings, something naad eventually did. The only thing she got wrong was that she needed to kill naad, not let him kill her.
Humility cannot be taught. If it is, it isn’t true humility, only subservience and compliance with the expectations of the teacher. Humility can only be learned by each person coming to a deep understanding of himself / herself, and developing compassion and respect for all others. Freedon Nadd utterly failed to achieve this.
masteroftheassassins Just so you know, expect at least one "The Story of Video" per Versus Season. The reason I don't do them as often is because they are much more complex to make, and therefore require more writing and prep work.
Did anyone else feel like the Jedi handled Nadd wrongly here? I always did feel that way when reading his story in the past, the lesson that they wanted to impart was a good one, but I feel like this is where the Jedi go wrong in their teachings, younger people are more rash and impulsive by nature, and all of that complicated monk psychobabble just pushes them further away. They could have just told him straight up, your ego is getting in your way, you need to rededicate yourself to the core teachings until you understand why we did not choose you, it is because pride will get you in trouble down the road, it will lure you to the dark side in moments of arrogance. Sure the same result may have happened either way, but I feel like at least then it would be entirely on Nadd being a selfish arrogant dick instead of feeling looked down upon and passed over in spite of his talent.
I don't think it's recklessness or even lust for power. Teenagers also need guidance and support when you take in children you need to provide emotional support and care to them. What they basically did was crush his perception without explanation and when he came to them for guidance or even comfort they rejected him. I really can't blame him for feeling hurt and betrayed by the jedi. I don't think they even had to say anything about the lesson itself. I think just comforting him and showing that they still cared and wanted to teach him would have been enough. If that master just gave him a hug and said "You will understand soon" or maybe even "You have to find out before we will grand it to you" I don't think he would have fallen. It wouldn't have provided any answers but it would show him that the jedi still cared and that it was something that he could work on. His fall to the dark side was more due to him feeling abandoned and betrayed by the jedi and, if you destroy a child's perception of themselves without providing context or support I don't think any child would react to that well. To me it feels more like the jedi wanted to teach someone a lesson but they forgot that they were dealing with a child. The only other reaction I can imagine is that they will feel very hurt and spend a lot of time crying. They would also become quite fanatical and/or suspicious as they will view their place in the jedi order as very fragile and that their fellow jedi can not be trusted. I know jedi training is tough but I do think the order should provide a sense of security and guidance. They won't just hand things to you but if you really need them they'll be there for you.
100% even posted it in my comment. They made him into a monster by neglect instead of teaching him. Some people need things spelled out more than others so what maybe Nadd was one of those people that doesn't mean the Jedi couldn't have given him more upfront guidance
Yeah because it's not a fair test. He wasn't a Jedi master, he was a student. A YOUNG student. And she literally expected him to have the wisdom of a Master, and then when he failed the test she penalized him absolutely as much as she possibly could. It's for sure not a fair test, and goes straight to one of the big points of the prequel trilogy: the Jedis dogma and arrogance that they are right causes them to fuck it. It is their true weakness, and it always, ALWAYS bites them in the ass.
@BallOnEm PBS first off, go fuck yourself calling me a name for no reason. You do shit like that in person? That's an easy way to lose teeth; you think you're safe cause it's the internet so you can talk shit. But this kind of behavior betrays your character. Also: NO SHIT. That's my entire point. But you can't judge ANYONE by any metric which they don't even know exist. The Jedi created the failure by ASSUMING he knew that if he just chilled it would work out. You know what they say about assumptions? Makes an ass of u and me. And guess what? That's exactly what fucking happened. The Jedis arrogance directly led to atrocities.
Fine work. I've only heard of him through novels and audio dramas. Since his story is mostly in comic form, this is an excellent way to tell it for blind Star Wars fans like me.
@@brianrunyon266 You should hear the story of Exar Kun and get some assistance in playing Kotor 2 specifically as a light side Jedi Consular/Jedi Master with the restore content mod. Then thank me for killing a whole week 😂 😂
Exar Kun was an inevitability. By the time he meet Nadd, Kun was a dark sider. Even then there's an innumerable amount of Dark Jedi who eventually became Sith Lords after the first great schism.
Naga Shadow, Freedon Nadd, Exar Kun, Darth Revan, Lord Vitale, Darth Bane and finally Darth Sideous. Hopefully Darth Wredd can resurrect the Rule of Two Sith!
Sophia Wilson They are the most successful and actually the oldest variation of Sith: From Naga Sadow, to Freedon Nadd, to Exar Kun is the first predecessor to the Rule of Two Sith. The Rule of Two Sith started with Darth Revan whom passed on his teachings to Darth Bane. The Rule of One Sith SUCKED BALLS! They already got their ass kicked and are now in hiding!
Refusing to give rewards to those who don't deserve them because of their own character faults isn't a mistake. Like Lucifer he was too proud of himself to acknowledge that he might have a flaw. He was too sure of his own perfection to even be willing to look at himself and recognize why the council denied him what he wanted. The only mistake the Jedi Council made was in hoping he'd develop the humility to recognize it on his own. That if they gave him the time he'd redeem himself.
R A Uherka Literally all the Jedi had to do was tell Nad what he did wrong they obviously knew about his temper Thats like me failing my Math Test and my teacher refusing to tell me how i failed
@@WickedPrince3D Isn't that what people are saying though? The Jedi failed him by not giving him any real guidance. "He'll figure it out" is fine if you're talking about a wayward master, but to expect that kind of awareness from an apprentice still in training is stupid. He's your student, so teach him.
It's not that. This is more them forgetting that jedi students are still children. You can't just leave a child hanging like that. You need to show them some kind of support or else they'll feel abandoned and betrayed. It doesn't even need to be useful guidance, just emotional support to show that this is something he can overcome.
@@MrMarinus18 Doesn't excuse Naad's actions. If he's old enough to react based on his emotions, in this case anger and hatred, he could've just as easily been patient and waited to be knighted.
@@MrXxsoulessniperxx He's a teenager. I can't fault him for having the emotions that belong with that. Also being patient is not so easy with no information. For all he knew they were going to chuck him out or make him a lowly servant. Skipping him without a word and refusing to speak to him surely means they have no confidence in him. He was suddenly abandoned by those who he thought loved him and seemingly rejected. As well as everything he believed about his position being pulled out from under him without any explanation. If the jedi wanted him to prove himself to them they would have said so. Not just leave him hanging.
@@MrXxsoulessniperxx Teenagers start to really see the world and experience their emotions. This can be quite a frightening thing especially for jedi. So suddenly pulling the rug from under them and not proving any support whatsoever is a really cruel thing to do. I can't blame him for feeling confused and abandoned. Also your logic doesn't quite make sense. He reacts based on his emotions and he can't control those yet. So filling his head with feelings of abandonment and betrayal without any context or guidance is a really bad idea. If they had told him it was something he did wrong he would have some context, he would know that they want him to do something. However they didn't say something like that. For all he knew they just hated him and decided to chuck him out.
@@MrMarinus18 I get that he's emotional and has every right to be, but again, he's still responsible for his rash and unjust actions because of emotions. That's why jedi do what they did to test how he would react. He even knew he failed but he blamed the jedi, not himself.
I always found it odd that the King Adas Holocron which was created around 27,000bby was able to tell Nadd Naga Sadows resting place even though Sadow went into exile around 5000bby.
Most likely Adas saw it through The Force long before it happened. There were Force Users who could see the future but often their visions were hard to understand. Just as in "real world" people who have visions of the future. Read up on the Jedi Watch Circle/Jedi Covenant: starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jedi_Covenant
I always had an idea of who he was playing KOTOR: 2, by traveling to Dxun and fighting in his tomb. Its great to hear the full story. Thank you for posting! Loved it
Give us more! this series is one of my favorite things on youtube! It has driven me to start reading the books. I've read Lords of the Sith, and am now on the 3rd of the Bane Trilogy. Thank you for sparking my interest in the "Legends"!
You tell a fine story, Evan, and I really enjoy them. The odd thing is that while Nadd's tale is a fascinating one, it's also a story of epic fails. Nadd managed to leave a fearsome legacy through others, but in life he couldn't even keep one planet under control. Fail. Also, why do so few Sith Lords keep their apprentices on a leash i.e., Kun? Is it megalomania or do they just enjoy the thrill of wondering if their apprentice will kill them today? The other thing that struck me was about the Jedi, specifically Master Matta. One of the problems with trying to write a wise character is they can't be wiser than you can pull off, otherwise they just look like fools. A five minute glance through our own world's spiritual wisdom would have shown her that pride is one problem that cannot be seen from within, because it blinds you by its very nature, beam in your own eye, and all that. The Jedi have always drawn inspiration from the samurai, of course, particularly in their fetishization of death. Matta takes that to another level entirely. In the finest tradition of the Jedi, she concludes "hmmm, I could easily solve this dilemma with a quick therapy session, but I think I'll let him kill me instead, derp."
Freedon, some things cannot be taught. Some things you have to find out for yourself. If we showed them to you, pointed and said, "Look, here it is," you wouldn't understand them. A Jedi must look inside himself, listen to his heart and spirit. If you don't... well, let's just say you'll never become a true Jedi JEDI MASTER MATTA TREMAINE
OK count me one of the Sith. This guy worked harder than all of his peers. When he got passed over. Nothing............ Whats wrong with some answer. Why not say what you need to work on. Frak that.
@BallOnEm PBS No, it was exploiting him for all he's worth. It was slavery to him. You think only from the perspective of the organization, and it makes you blind.
Look if you cant play by the rules you cant be a jedi. And only a weak person gets so angry ao fast. Like how a nice guy becomes an asshole after 2 beers. Inner weakness and fear that is hidden and dangerous
One of my family members heard your narrating from the other room and thought I had one of my Star Wars audiobooks playing! Just goes to show your skill at this.
I have to say "the story of" is my favorite of your series, it is packed with information and always interesting. I don't really find the vs series as compeling (spelling) since it don't have as much history as the story of. this is kind of a short (but still long) lore of some of the characters in the Star Wars universe. I would love to something like this of bigger/more famous characters such as Darth Plaguies (even tho i´ve read the novel). Other characters in such as Mace Windu, Plo kun and Darth Maul would also be something i personaly would love. so yeah, great video as always ofc
EvanNova, Great job. As many have already observed, this is truly great. I really love your style of narration. Excellent. Really keeps people's attention. If you could please take time to do a few more of these, you would be doing great service to the star wars fans community at large. I see mention of Karness Murr which would be great. Anything on Tulak Hord, Ajunta Pall, Darth Andeddu, King Aidas would all be welcome.
Could you possibly do a video on the timeline of galactic history? It would be very cool as I don't know very much about the pre-mandilorian war eras. Great video btw! I absolutely love this series and I hope to see plenty more!
The beginning of this video got me thinking that a modest degree of humility is great for a sith, it creates fear of defeat, which causes list for power, and advancement of skill.
EvanNova95 once again you have me watching at the edge of my seat with these stories. Freedon Nadd was someone I only saw in Sith pictures but never knew how deep and how far his influence went and what his story was. Humility is indeed something very strong. As for what I would like to see in the future, here's some ideas Darth Sidious vs Darth Krayt Shaak Ti vs Luminara Unduli Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Darth Nihilus Darth Vader vs Darth Malgus And as for story wise, I'd like to see the story of: Obi-Wan Kenobi, Kyle Katarn, Darth Sidious, Yoda, or even Luke Skywalker. Hope it'll happen and as always may the force be with you
The Jedi Code (as transcribed by Odan-Urr): There is no emotion, there is peace. There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no chaos, there is harmony. There is no death, there is the Force.
***** Not as much as you'd think. The main story of his time on Ossus came from the Tales of the Jedi Companion. I just added detail and flushed it out.
well to be honest if the lighsaber doesn't have any weight why do they uses it like a regular sword, I've all ways just assumed that it did have weight
A lot of people put the blame squarely upon the Jedi on this one.... I disagree. While yes, he had a right to be upset, he could have taken a route that was more humble than, say, attempting to murder a Jedi? I mean even when my instructor at a college course gave me three zeroes for missing a single day of class (for my own grandmother's funeral mind you) I didn't try to murder the lady....
Tick Dickler Even then he picked the killing blow instead of trying to back down. The challenge wasn't a fight to the death but he did make it to be one.
Nah he only kept fighting to try and prove his strength, I would have done the same thing. And no one can tell me he should have expected Jedi Master Mrs Wanker to just effectively kill herself...
Jedi understand people and how problematic emotional attachment can be, and they are unraveling those attachments so that Jedi can see and do what is needed. People tend to forget, Jedi want detachment from emotion. They want someone aloof and objective, not someone easily misdirected by emotion.
This is awesome! You have to make more videos like this! You have an excellent SW lore knowledge and the picture show is very well done! High compliment from a SW nerd! I would like to see such a video about the story of the emperor (Lord Vitiate) Or maybe a video of the full Revan story!
You're very gifted at reading to others with inflection. The quality of this upload is uncompromising, thank you very much for the art you've given us here. You should consider doing ASMR book readings! Not many people do that and as it stands you would be second to none at the actual reading of the material. Not sure if you'd enjoy doing quiet reading but I assure you there's a whole community with untapped potential just waiting for this. Couple that with some really neat series choices like this and it'll be a snoozefest! In a good way.
Excellent beginning! I really love these stories about characters as most I have never read their history thoroughly before. Impressive. Most impressive.
When you are a talented young man but a couple of old men decide to test your patience and fail you in art school... i mean jedi training, and you start a brutal campaign of conquest....😂
Easy to say that when your praised by your instructors be greatest but then your denied because you lack humility of course you would be upset because you worked hard for it you wouldn't understand because it would anyone upset when your raised to be greatest and then to be denied
Erik Malkavian yet his teachings still contributed to the eventual destruction of the Jedi by way of his holocron falling into the hands of one of the greatest sith lords in Star Wars history, that being darth bane
you should do a story about K'kruhk he's a jedi who has alot of history a good back story and has alot of detail to work off of a story about him would be a really good one i have no doubts about that like if you agree with me
Great job great story. I love these stories you do. How about a story about Marka Ragnos or Darth Desolous or better still Yoda we still know very little about Yoda where he came from what he is or why he is. Maybe you could find some info for me and others about the Legend Tulak Hord.
Wow Evan this is really amazing. You are an incredible storyteller. You really should focus on these on your channel. I watched this video like 5 times allready.
The irony of the Jedi trying to teach him a lesson to make sure he doesn't fall to the dark side, resulting in him actually becoming a leading figure of the dark side...
The Jedi only have themselves to blame for the Sith. Playing with people’s emotions. Instead of showing an apprentice’s weakness and teaching how they might improve.
That betrayal must have felt like a kick in the nadds 😂
Imagine being the best student at school, earning the praise of all your teachers, and being denied graduation anyways. On top of that, your own teacher tells you to just "figure it out." You'd be pissed and feel cheated, which is exactly what happened to Freedon Nadd
Not just a student of any subject. Imagine being in training to become a Catholic priest, and surpassing all other students in your lessons, and then becoming arrogant, and not chosen to be ordained as a priest because of it.
@@timonsolus nadd was just an apprentice
It happened to me. There are two kinds of school exams in my country. One takes place directly at school, the other at an independent testing center. I knew that I was significantly better than everyone else. I often won various competitions and even wrote my own research paper when I was only 16, for which I won a prestigious prize. But I had one classmate whose parents bribed the school so that her school exam results were much better than others. She even got a gold medal. She was very narcissistic, with an incredibly inflated ego, and was constantly trying to humiliate me. But in the end, my scores at the independent testing center were an order of magnitude better than hers, she wasn't even in second or third place behind me. So I wasn't upset about that. Even now (10 years later) it's funny to remember this situation.
@Yusuf Musa : No one gives a shit about anyone on the Internet, kid. Anyone who says they do is a liar. And if you fuck with your friends’ property, online or offline, soon you won’t have any friends, and you won’t deserve any.
@@timonsolus That was kinda harsh but you have a point
During the "Dark Wars", Nihilus' soldiers and dark-side followers conducted a beast-control ritual through the dark side from Nadd's tomb in order to use them to invade the royal palace. So his influence continued even after Exar Kun's defeat.
Man this story was so ... impressive, mind-twisting. I almost felt Feedon's emotions. You're good narrator.
You did really good at reading this. Good job!
You did great making this story line.
Be mindful of your feelings
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Are you ok
Jedi philosophy= screwing with our students as much as possible and if they mess up, they’re considered evil
Well... the guy did quickly go cuckoo after his first big rejection, you gotta admit it...
Because Freedon Nadd and Exar Kunn both died second deaths of their spirits, do you ever wonder if that means there is nothing left of their consciousness, no taste, no smell, no sight, no sound, no sight, no feeling just oblivion, forever?
@Fuck Google oh, but you forget one important detail!
That is to say, Jedi are huge Drama Queens
@@paulchristie8452 Well isn't that real death in the atheistic, secular view?
@@AroAceGamer Sorry for late reply. Yes I mean real death in the atheistic secular view, eternal nothingness. It never tells you what happened to Freedon Nadd and Exar Kunn's consciousnesses after their spirits were destroyed.
I'm currently searching the tomb of freedon nadd in knights of the old republic the Sith Lords right now
Lucky you
Did you find it yet
Still watching this year's later. I hope you are thriving and well, Evan!
I am with Naad on this one. Whilst his master did explain to him what was wrong she responded to his outburst by goading him... then letting him kill her to cement his dark side turn. Are a Jedi always this moronic? She did a better job of turning a Jedi than Sidious.
I agree. They basically went out of their way to fan the flames of his weakness, instead of addressing the weakness. Helping him to overcome it.
Jedi and Sith are both incredibly self destructive.
I wonder if the Je'dai had similar problems before the extremists on both sides took over.
@@Azaghal1988 Nope. The Je'dai would actually help you balance yourself if you went one way or the other too hard.
What the master did was mostly right. It was a test and one that naad failed. He lacked humility and had issues with anger especially when it comes to disrespect. If someone like this was allowed to become a jedi he would misuse their teachings, something naad eventually did. The only thing she got wrong was that she needed to kill naad, not let him kill her.
@@LiShuBen Yeah it boggles my mind that people side with Freedon here. It was a test and he spectacularly failed.
So... the Jedi's solution to Nadd's frustration and confusion was to gaslight him. Classy.
Humility cannot be taught. If it is, it isn’t true humility, only subservience and compliance with the expectations of the teacher.
Humility can only be learned by each person coming to a deep understanding of himself / herself, and developing compassion and respect for all others.
Freedon Nadd utterly failed to achieve this.
@@timonsolus freedon nadd was just a teenager
@@zeckiel6109so was Anakin (in AoTC), WTF is your damn point???
About time this series got another installment isn't it? Hope you guys enjoy :)
I'm so glad that you made another "History of" video. I was beginning to worry that you stopped making them.
Yes it is
masteroftheassassins Just so you know, expect at least one "The Story of Video" per Versus Season. The reason I don't do them as often is because they are much more complex to make, and therefore require more writing and prep work.
enjoyed :)))
do one on either Marka Ragnos or Revan
All he had to do was walk away. "Prove you're a Jedi. "
Did anyone else feel like the Jedi handled Nadd wrongly here? I always did feel that way when reading his story in the past, the lesson that they wanted to impart was a good one, but I feel like this is where the Jedi go wrong in their teachings, younger people are more rash and impulsive by nature, and all of that complicated monk psychobabble just pushes them further away.
They could have just told him straight up, your ego is getting in your way, you need to rededicate yourself to the core teachings until you understand why we did not choose you, it is because pride will get you in trouble down the road, it will lure you to the dark side in moments of arrogance.
Sure the same result may have happened either way, but I feel like at least then it would be entirely on Nadd being a selfish arrogant dick instead of feeling looked down upon and passed over in spite of his talent.
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Hahahaha.... you said the Jedi mishandled Nadd.
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Its the exact same thing they did to Anakin/Vader. They never learn.
I don't think it's recklessness or even lust for power. Teenagers also need guidance and support when you take in children you need to provide emotional support and care to them. What they basically did was crush his perception without explanation and when he came to them for guidance or even comfort they rejected him. I really can't blame him for feeling hurt and betrayed by the jedi. I don't think they even had to say anything about the lesson itself. I think just comforting him and showing that they still cared and wanted to teach him would have been enough. If that master just gave him a hug and said "You will understand soon" or maybe even "You have to find out before we will grand it to you" I don't think he would have fallen. It wouldn't have provided any answers but it would show him that the jedi still cared and that it was something that he could work on.
His fall to the dark side was more due to him feeling abandoned and betrayed by the jedi and, if you destroy a child's perception of themselves without providing context or support I don't think any child would react to that well. To me it feels more like the jedi wanted to teach someone a lesson but they forgot that they were dealing with a child.
The only other reaction I can imagine is that they will feel very hurt and spend a lot of time crying. They would also become quite fanatical and/or suspicious as they will view their place in the jedi order as very fragile and that their fellow jedi can not be trusted. I know jedi training is tough but I do think the order should provide a sense of security and guidance. They won't just hand things to you but if you really need them they'll be there for you.
100% even posted it in my comment. They made him into a monster by neglect instead of teaching him. Some people need things spelled out more than others so what maybe Nadd was one of those people that doesn't mean the Jedi couldn't have given him more upfront guidance
It's amazing how easy they get angry and easy they fail at their tests.
Reminds me of Anakin's Attachement test.
Yeah because it's not a fair test. He wasn't a Jedi master, he was a student. A YOUNG student. And she literally expected him to have the wisdom of a Master, and then when he failed the test she penalized him absolutely as much as she possibly could.
It's for sure not a fair test, and goes straight to one of the big points of the prequel trilogy: the Jedis dogma and arrogance that they are right causes them to fuck it. It is their true weakness, and it always, ALWAYS bites them in the ass.
@BallOnEm PBS first off, go fuck yourself calling me a name for no reason. You do shit like that in person? That's an easy way to lose teeth; you think you're safe cause it's the internet so you can talk shit. But this kind of behavior betrays your character.
Also: NO SHIT.
That's my entire point. But you can't judge ANYONE by any metric which they don't even know exist. The Jedi created the failure by ASSUMING he knew that if he just chilled it would work out.
You know what they say about assumptions?
Makes an ass of u and me. And guess what? That's exactly what fucking happened. The Jedis arrogance directly led to atrocities.
BallOnEm PBS internet warrior
Patronizing your student, in an excessive fashion, is NOT what I call a 'test'.
Fine work. I've only heard of him through novels and audio dramas. Since his story is mostly in comic form, this is an excellent way to tell it for blind Star Wars fans like me.
How do u type dude
A combination screen reader, and text to speech program.
@@brianrunyon266 You should hear the story of Exar Kun and get some assistance in playing Kotor 2 specifically as a light side Jedi Consular/Jedi Master with the restore content mod. Then thank me for killing a whole week 😂 😂
IF ONLY Nadd hadn't fallen he would have been one of the most legendary jedi in history and so much war would've been negated.
You can say that for a lot of the legendary Sith Lords. Ulic-Qel Droma, Anakin, Dooku, Jacen Solo. I mean the list goes on and on.
qawsedf234 Yes but if Nadd hadn't fallen Ulic may not have and maybe even Kun wouldn't have.
Exar Kun was an inevitability. By the time he meet Nadd, Kun was a dark sider. Even then there's an innumerable amount of Dark Jedi who eventually became Sith Lords after the first great schism.
Seems to be a running theme in Star Wars lore huh? :)
qawsedf234 Fair enough I just think that Nadd's fall overall contributed a lot to the galactic history.
I must admit that I did not know Freedon Nadd had so much story to him. Kudos for finding something I didn't know about!
Naga Shadow, Freedon Nadd, Exar Kun, Darth Revan, Lord Vitale, Darth Bane and finally Darth Sideous. Hopefully Darth Wredd can resurrect the Rule of Two Sith!
***** I hate to disapoint you but Darth Wredd died already
Mandalore The Maximum Yeah. There goes the Rule of Two
***** the Rule of Two Sith is no good why would you bring it back? the Sith as group is better and powerful.
Sophia Wilson They are the most successful and actually the oldest variation of Sith: From Naga Sadow, to Freedon Nadd, to Exar Kun is the first predecessor to the Rule of Two Sith.
The Rule of Two Sith started with Darth Revan whom passed on his teachings to Darth Bane.
The Rule of One Sith SUCKED BALLS! They already got their ass kicked and are now in hiding!
The jedi council brought his downfall upon themselves
Just like Anakin
Agree there. They should have told him his rank in the order or master.
Refusing to give rewards to those who don't deserve them because of their own character faults isn't a mistake. Like Lucifer he was too proud of himself to acknowledge that he might have a flaw. He was too sure of his own perfection to even be willing to look at himself and recognize why the council denied him what he wanted. The only mistake the Jedi Council made was in hoping he'd develop the humility to recognize it on his own. That if they gave him the time he'd redeem himself.
R A Uherka Literally all the Jedi had to do was tell Nad what he did wrong they obviously knew about his temper Thats like me failing my Math Test and my teacher refusing to tell me how i failed
@@WickedPrince3D Isn't that what people are saying though? The Jedi failed him by not giving him any real guidance. "He'll figure it out" is fine if you're talking about a wayward master, but to expect that kind of awareness from an apprentice still in training is stupid. He's your student, so teach him.
I remember watching this years ago and loving it. Thanks Evan for being the catalyst into my life long interest in the Star Wars expanded universe.
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They don't attacc
But most importantly, the high ground has their bacc
And, you can't spell for jackshit...
The jedi failed a lot of people. Its sad how they refuse to understand the ties that bind.
It's not that. This is more them forgetting that jedi students are still children. You can't just leave a child hanging like that. You need to show them some kind of support or else they'll feel abandoned and betrayed. It doesn't even need to be useful guidance, just emotional support to show that this is something he can overcome.
@@MrMarinus18 Doesn't excuse Naad's actions. If he's old enough to react based on his emotions, in this case anger and hatred, he could've just as easily been patient and waited to be knighted.
@@MrXxsoulessniperxx He's a teenager. I can't fault him for having the emotions that belong with that.
Also being patient is not so easy with no information. For all he knew they were going to chuck him out or make him a lowly servant. Skipping him without a word and refusing to speak to him surely means they have no confidence in him.
He was suddenly abandoned by those who he thought loved him and seemingly rejected. As well as everything he believed about his position being pulled out from under him without any explanation. If the jedi wanted him to prove himself to them they would have said so. Not just leave him hanging.
@@MrXxsoulessniperxx Teenagers start to really see the world and experience their emotions. This can be quite a frightening thing especially for jedi.
So suddenly pulling the rug from under them and not proving any support whatsoever is a really cruel thing to do. I can't blame him for feeling confused and abandoned.
Also your logic doesn't quite make sense. He reacts based on his emotions and he can't control those yet. So filling his head with feelings of abandonment and betrayal without any context or guidance is a really bad idea. If they had told him it was something he did wrong he would have some context, he would know that they want him to do something.
However they didn't say something like that. For all he knew they just hated him and decided to chuck him out.
@@MrMarinus18 I get that he's emotional and has every right to be, but again, he's still responsible for his rash and unjust actions because of emotions. That's why jedi do what they did to test how he would react. He even knew he failed but he blamed the jedi, not himself.
I always found it odd that the King Adas Holocron which was created around 27,000bby was able to tell Nadd Naga Sadows resting place even though Sadow went into exile around 5000bby.
Probably learned it from someone at the time who knew of Sadow's escape. Or maybe Sadow himself.
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This. Naga Sadow almost certainly told the Holocron of his exile and where he would go
Most likely Adas saw it through The Force long before it happened. There were Force Users who could see the future but often their visions were hard to understand. Just as in "real world" people who have visions of the future. Read up on the Jedi Watch Circle/Jedi Covenant: starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jedi_Covenant
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I always had an idea of who he was playing KOTOR: 2, by traveling to Dxun and fighting in his tomb. Its great to hear the full story. Thank you for posting! Loved it
Give us more! this series is one of my favorite things on youtube! It has driven me to start reading the books. I've read Lords of the Sith, and am now on the 3rd of the Bane Trilogy. Thank you for sparking my interest in the "Legends"!
Darth Boomer Lords of the Sith is canon, not legends, right?
You tell a fine story, Evan, and I really enjoy them. The odd thing is that while Nadd's tale is a fascinating one, it's also a story of epic fails. Nadd managed to leave a fearsome legacy through others, but in life he couldn't even keep one planet under control. Fail. Also, why do so few Sith Lords keep their apprentices on a leash i.e., Kun? Is it megalomania or do they just enjoy the thrill of wondering if their apprentice will kill them today?
The other thing that struck me was about the Jedi, specifically Master Matta. One of the problems with trying to write a wise character is they can't be wiser than you can pull off, otherwise they just look like fools. A five minute glance through our own world's spiritual wisdom would have shown her that pride is one problem that cannot be seen from within, because it blinds you by its very nature, beam in your own eye, and all that. The Jedi have always drawn inspiration from the samurai, of course, particularly in their fetishization of death. Matta takes that to another level entirely. In the finest tradition of the Jedi, she concludes "hmmm, I could easily solve this dilemma with a quick therapy session, but I think I'll let him kill me instead, derp."
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Freedon, some things cannot be taught. Some things you have to find out for yourself. If we showed them to you, pointed and said, "Look, here it is," you wouldn't understand them. A Jedi must look inside himself, listen to his heart and spirit. If you don't... well, let's just say you'll never become a true Jedi
JEDI MASTER MATTA TREMAINE
OK count me one of the Sith. This guy worked harder than all of his peers. When he got passed over. Nothing............ Whats wrong with some answer. Why not say what you need to work on. Frak that.
Same here. I now would rather join the SIth given the way the Jedi treat their own.
@BallOnEm PBS No, it was exploiting him for all he's worth. It was slavery to him. You think only from the perspective of the organization, and it makes you blind.
@BallOnEm PBS Then they tested him wrong. Their judgement was wrong. Obviously, because he turned to the Sith.
Look if you cant play by the rules you cant be a jedi. And only a weak person gets so angry ao fast. Like how a nice guy becomes an asshole after 2 beers. Inner weakness and fear that is hidden and dangerous
@@letthemcode7199 I know this all too well
One of my family members heard your narrating from the other room and thought I had one of my Star Wars audiobooks playing! Just goes to show your skill at this.
I have to say "the story of" is my favorite of your series, it is packed with information and always interesting. I don't really find the vs series as compeling (spelling) since it don't have as much history as the story of. this is kind of a short (but still long) lore of some of the characters in the Star Wars universe. I would love to something like this of bigger/more famous characters such as Darth Plaguies (even tho i´ve read the novel). Other characters in such as Mace Windu, Plo kun and Darth Maul would also be something i personaly would love. so yeah, great video as always ofc
I just want to say thank you for making these.
I paused the video to say "I LOVE THESE LITTLE STORIES!!!! never stop! tyy ty bye
fascinating history lesson. Personally, I think Nadd had some valid points in his jedi training, but he took things a bit too far.
EvanNova, Great job. As many have already observed, this is truly great. I really love your style of narration. Excellent. Really keeps people's attention. If you could please take time to do a few more of these, you would be doing great service to the star wars fans community at large. I see mention of Karness Murr which would be great. Anything on Tulak Hord, Ajunta Pall, Darth Andeddu, King Aidas would all be welcome.
isn't freedon nadd the one who took over onderon?
Yup
Could you possibly do a video on the timeline of galactic history? It would be very cool as I don't know very much about the pre-mandilorian war eras.
Great video btw! I absolutely love this series and I hope to see plenty more!
Yes this would be very helpful.
Secure. Contain. Protect.
The beginning of this video got me thinking that a modest degree of humility is great for a sith, it creates fear of defeat, which causes list for power, and advancement of skill.
EvanNova95 once again you have me watching at the edge of my seat with these stories. Freedon Nadd was someone I only saw in Sith pictures but never knew how deep and how far his influence went and what his story was. Humility is indeed something very strong. As for what I would like to see in the future, here's some ideas
Darth Sidious vs Darth Krayt
Shaak Ti vs Luminara Unduli
Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Darth Nihilus
Darth Vader vs Darth Malgus
And as for story wise, I'd like to see the story of: Obi-Wan Kenobi, Kyle Katarn, Darth Sidious, Yoda, or even Luke Skywalker. Hope it'll happen and as always may the force be with you
Thats why I make vids like these. To shed light on interesting characters that have more to them then meets the eye. Glad you enjoyed
The Jedi Code (as transcribed by Odan-Urr):
There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.
Since no one else will say it, the background music is from Halo 3 ODST.
I honestly thought these would be boring, but he does a great job of reading with suspense, i would love to see more.
Evan, you really REALLY should make more "The Story of-" episodes, I enjoy them more than anything on your channel! :D
need to do a 'story of count dooku' I don't think many people know about his history for such well viewed character
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR DOING THE STORY OF FREEDON NADD!!
Your welcome
EvanNova95
How much of Nadd's time on Ossuss was made up because this is the first I've seen Nadd's fall detailed like this.
***** Not as much as you'd think. The main story of his time on Ossus came from the Tales of the Jedi Companion. I just added detail and flushed it out.
EvanNova95
Awesome!
***** Evan,Since he is a Sith, would his Sith name be Darth Nadd?
The idea that a jedi couldn't resist the 'momentum' of a lightsabre -a weapon with no weight on the blade- is just stupid.
well to be honest if the lighsaber doesn't have any weight why do they uses it like a regular sword, I've all ways just assumed that it did have weight
A lot of people put the blame squarely upon the Jedi on this one.... I disagree.
While yes, he had a right to be upset, he could have taken a route that was more humble than, say, attempting to murder a Jedi? I mean even when my instructor at a college course gave me three zeroes for missing a single day of class (for my own grandmother's funeral mind you) I didn't try to murder the lady....
She challenged him, could have blocked or evaded but instead accepted her death
Tick Dickler Even then he picked the killing blow instead of trying to back down. The challenge wasn't a fight to the death but he did make it to be one.
Darrel Smith Thanks. I'm glad I didn't turn to the dark side and kill her, otherwise I'd be the Sith stuck in his position. Not a lot of fun.
sonic8005 yeah
Nah he only kept fighting to try and prove his strength, I would have done the same thing. And no one can tell me he should have expected Jedi Master Mrs Wanker to just effectively kill herself...
Humility is the hardest lesson to learn. Sometimes you learn it, sometimes you kill Jedi masters and form a cult.
Bronze??? like orange... or brown? why did no one think he was already on his way to dark side with that sketchy ass color
Just because it meant he had great power. A great wookie Jedi had a bronze blade it was just how the power was used
well darn. This was great...but now you've given me the desperate need to find that Tales of the Jedi Companion!
Dude these stories are incredible. Thank you so much for putting them out!
Jedi understand people and how problematic emotional attachment can be, and they are unraveling those attachments so that Jedi can see and do what is needed. People tend to forget, Jedi want detachment from emotion. They want someone aloof and objective, not someone easily misdirected by emotion.
Another amazing and well researched video! You really have a talent for this.
Some the best work I've seen... The story are fantastic... Real info on the starwars World!
This is awesome! You have to make more videos like this! You have an excellent SW lore knowledge and the picture show is very well done! High compliment from a SW nerd! I would like to see such a video about the story of the emperor (Lord Vitiate) Or maybe a video of the full Revan story!
Awesome Dude! You've got skills!!!! As an orator and presentation!
Arrogance and entitlement are open doors to the dark side
You're very gifted at reading to others with inflection. The quality of this upload is uncompromising, thank you very much for the art you've given us here. You should consider doing ASMR book readings! Not many people do that and as it stands you would be second to none at the actual reading of the material. Not sure if you'd enjoy doing quiet reading but I assure you there's a whole community with untapped potential just waiting for this. Couple that with some really neat series choices like this and it'll be a snoozefest! In a good way.
I really enjoyed this thank you nice narrating
Evan, please do more of these stories, they're great! :) We appreciate all the hard work, time and effort you put into these videos! :D
Uh why is it that the jedi seem to be the ones to create their own problems? nice work by the way
Thank you. My kid and I just love your Story of series. Good job thank you :)
I always enjoy the story's you tell. About key events in the Star Wars time line. I wanna see more! xD Keep it up and good luck mate!
Excellent beginning! I really love these stories about characters as most I have never read their history thoroughly before. Impressive. Most impressive.
Dude, you've got to do more of these, your a great storyteller.
You deserve more likes dude. I enjoyed the heck out of this story
When you are a talented young man but a couple of old men decide to test your patience and fail you in art school... i mean jedi training, and you start a brutal campaign of conquest....😂
Easy to say that when your praised by your instructors be greatest but then your denied because you lack humility of course you would be upset because you worked hard for it you wouldn't understand because it would anyone upset when your raised to be greatest and then to be denied
Absolutely amazing work! Please don't ever stop making these!
EvanNova95 Great work!! I'm a HUGE fan of Freedon Nadd. He came to a bad end (2nd death)
Erik Malkavian yet his teachings still contributed to the eventual destruction of the Jedi by way of his holocron falling into the hands of one of the greatest sith lords in Star Wars history, that being darth bane
@@jakealter5504 yeah and it led to the rule of two.
Man I love to listen to your stuff at work. So soothing and informative.
Do something with Kanan Jarrus because his master was killed in order 66 and when he went into hiding he switched to a blaster
I love your story telling man
you should do a story about K'kruhk he's a jedi who has alot of history a good back story and has alot of detail to work off of a story about him would be a really good one i have no doubts about that like if you agree with me
I like how you use the halo beat it fits perfectly with star wars
Great job great story. I love these stories you do. How about a story about Marka Ragnos or Darth Desolous or better still Yoda we still know very little about Yoda where he came from what he is or why he is. Maybe you could find some info for me and others about the Legend Tulak Hord.
the words conveying the message are well crafted
Can you do a versus of bane and nadd and a history of nihilus, love this channel
such an awsome story, thank you Evan!
fredom is the perfect exsample of the foolish jedi orders way.
Out of all the videos I've seen on any topic regarding star wars legends/canon, this story is my favorite. Great work
If he throws a tantrum like this just for not getting what he wanted right away, then he didn't deserve it.
I hope you make more videos like these! They are awesome.
I would absolutely love to hear a vs. of: freedon nad vs. Darth sidious.
I absolutely loved this video! I am now really interested in this character.
These "Story of" videos are sweet!!!
Wow Evan this is really amazing. You are an incredible storyteller. You really should focus on these on your channel. I watched this video like 5 times allready.
ah so that was Freedon Nadd interesting
I absolutely love these videos. Thank you for the effort you put into them!
i really like the "the story of" good job!
... great story with important lesson on the way of Jedi [looks like some viewers did not learn it]... very nice telling ...
hey EvanNova can you at some point do the Story of Darth Caedus? Love all your videos!
The intro is amazing. The whole video is amazing. Thanks!
Do the story of Darth Revan next
Please bring this back love the ways you tell stories
HISTORY OF NIHILUS
I think Star Wars is weird yet amazing
excellent narration.
The irony of the Jedi trying to teach him a lesson to make sure he doesn't fall to the dark side, resulting in him actually becoming a leading figure of the dark side...
DO ADJUNTA PALL NEXT!
The Jedi only have themselves to blame for the Sith. Playing with people’s emotions. Instead of showing an apprentice’s weakness and teaching how they might improve.
Awesome! :) Love your stories. Could you do one with Darth Plagueis?
More videos like this please, I really enjoy the content! Better than the versus series
Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Kyle Katarn
Another great vid on a sith lord who deserves more of a spotlight and loved how u used the ost from Halo O.D.S.T