The Grand Seiko Omiwatari Watch After A Month: Surprisingly Flawed Perfection (SBGY007)
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- Today we take a look at the elegant Grand Seiko Omiwatari (SBGY007) as I begin my search for the perfect Grand Seiko. Following my initial unboxing last month, I really got to know the positives and negatives of this watch, but it's been three years since I reviewed a Grand Seiko, so how has the brand changed? Will this newer release finally make me pull the trigger on one? Does Grand Seiko remain a leader in good value luxury watches or is it an overhyped brand?
The Omiwatari costs twice as much as the last Grand Seiko I reviewed, so what do you get for this price, and is it worth it? What new innovations have been introduced since my last experience with GS? And is this the perfect Grand Seiko or another beautifully flawed release? Join me for another in-depth review to find out!
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@urbangentry, that is not a ghost position. It is a feature/winding function. it is required to get the watch winding when it has run out of power. pulling it out and pushing it in emits a small charge that gets the seconds hand running, after which the watch can safely be wound. so it is not in fact, a ghost position.
A great video to kick off the year. The effort you go into to produce and edit your videos to such a high standard is really appreciated.
Love the balanced review, TGV! I almost pulled the trigger on this piece, mostly because of the common perception that the power reserve on a GS dial is something of an ‘atrocity’ to a lot of people and that this model is an answer to those looking for more symmetry and cleanliness on the dial. But when it comes to GS, my first love is always the SBGA413 ‘Spring’, so I finally pulled the trigger on that one. I actually love the power reserve display as it breaks the symmetry and makes the dial more interesting. The case on the SBGA413 also has more of a presence on the wrist. I actually did try the SBGY007 on the wrist for comparison, and I find it underwhelming as it doesn’t grab my attention. But my eyes kept coming back to SBGA413 hahaha. But I do see why a lot of people would love it, though. On paper, it’s perfect (except for that splash proof part). But I always believe that I should try the thing on first because that’s when I know whether or not the watch is for me. Thanks!
Those are my two favorite GS too! I'm thinking of buying both eventually:) I think they're distinct enough that one can have both, one daily and one dress watch. First the 'spring' tho, on that I agree
The editing in that intro was incredible! Watch reviews don’t require any of that extra work but you always go above and beyond
I’m not typically a dress watch guy but this is one of my favorite watches to come out this year! Amazing video quality as always!
I bought the limited edition (140 pieces) SBGW275 recently. It's one of the most beautiful pieces I own. Paid $4900 but am selling it for $8400. I bought it for my wife but when it arrived she said it was too big for her wrist (she's a miniature version of a real person). Going rate for that piece is $9k+ right now.
Beautifully made review T, I loved it! The dials on these things are absolutely amazing! A Grand S is coming in the collection one day!!!
So true about Japan's emphasis on nature in their artwork. Indeed the reason being why I adore the various postage stamps they've produced over the decades. GS has done well to encompass this tradition into their dials at such an exquisite level. Many thanks or another review that is very well done.
Good marketing
Good afternoon TGV! That was one review I was waiting for! Thank you for the balanced review of the Grand Seiko, highlighting both the positives and negatives. For example, I would not have thought that the SBGY007 should be treated with such care, so thank you for the valuable advice! Have a great day! Best regards!
Even with all the “negatives” I think this is the GS i’ve been looking for. Thanks for the detailed review TGV 👍🏽
You're living up to your channel name.
While many have come and gone over the multiple years I've watched your channel, you remain my all-time favourite horological critic, Tristiano. Thanks for an absolutely fabulous intro, which set this polar piece up perfectly, and all the detail, plus honesty shared throughout. This is a GS I've had my eyes on, but must admit that it's priced higher than I'd like to go for a watch type I don't wear out all that often. I also agree with your assessment regarding size. I have a small collection of '50s and '60s era dress pieces, ranging from 34-36mm, and my vintage-style OrientStar Classic is starting to feel a bit clumsy by comparison. This has been my issue with most every dress watch in recent years, from the humble Bambino to pricier items from Tissot's Visodate, various FCs, and most GS models. They're just too big for my 6.5-inch wrist, which is why I've been enjoying vintage pieces so much, plus a few newer Timex Marlin Reissues, a lovely Mido Commander 1959, etc. Let's hope GS hears our call for something in the 36mm range. I think it would be a massive hit, especially in Seiko's home market. Anyway, I thank you for this review and the many others you've shared over the years, which have enhanced my watch collecting journey immeasurably. All the best to you and yours for 2022!
Dear TGV, what I especially love about your channel: Your genuine interest in different countries' art, craftsmanship culture and history. I understand from your family background, you're especially interested in both Italian and German culture. (Beside English culture, that is.) Nevertheless, whenever discussing high quality watchmaking, you never fail to go the extra mile. You never forget to give a little extra info on the watchmakers' company, site, region or country. Quite lovely. Enough ingratiating myself, lol. Keep up the good work and all the best for 2022 and the following years. Many greetings from Germany.
All the best to you and your family in 2022 sir. It's a stunning watch. I understand your reservations about the finishing. It's like being given a hypercar to test drive for everyday use but being told whatever you do don't scratch it. Far from comfortable. As you know I love Japanese watches so even given the negatives I'd love it, although I agree smaller size wouldnt go amiss. As with the many other previous years videos sublime video. Great production, knowledge. Look forward to another year of great videos and good health to you 🥂
Terrific summation. What I love about this release from Grand Seiko mirrors my enthusiasm for the Jaeger-LeCoultre Master Control line; understated, refined elegance that is beautiful and classy without any ego-stroking “look at my expensive watch!” bloat. I really dig this watch. Well done!
Thank-you again for a great video and it is apparent how much time and effort you put into making and editing these videos.
As well, I admire you...you display, class and humility and have a way of discussing the pros and cons of watches explaining your reasons as you go in a direct but polite manner...best watch channel by far...best wishes for health and prosperity in 2022!
Grand Seiko is breathtaking. This Omiwatari is another example of the symbiosis between GS and it’s surroundings. They respect nature and reproduce it in their products. That dial is mesmerising. Too bad about the ‘splash resistance’ but fine.
The movement is a perfect merger of mechanical and electro mechanical engineering. I have a deep respect for this.
Thanks for this lovely review and informative background information.
I wish you the very best for 2022, lots of watch time and of course good health!
Your review and choice of words are so balanced and unbiased. Thank you for a great review.
Thanks TGV, you gave us deep insight and also your personal opinion about the positives and negatives of this GS spring drive watch. Very informative and I would like more of this. All the best to you!
I’m quite surprised TGV that value was one of the negatives. Believe this will rocket forward in years to come. But your conclusion is spot on. Best for 2022 to you/family and the channel, as it’s you that got me into serious collecting about 5 years ago and thank you for that.
Always a joy to see a new video from you. Once again, very well presented and argumented.
Really top notch way to start the year, TGV! Excellent production and introduction as always. Never cease to impress. Totally agree about the logo and branding shtick. They will never go with just GS on the dial though. Love the dial aesthetics but the shape and size are overwhelming for the piece. 38 would have been nice but 36 would be perfect. You did a very fair review. I learned a great deal especially about the polishing. That could put one off a GS for quite a bit. Thank you as always. Very very well done. Hope the new year finds you and yours well. Onwards and upwards, my friend!
Tristano your video editing is getting continually better! you're clearly passionate about it and I enjoy your music, intros, and and edits.
Beautiful watch and a really great review; I so appreciate the objectivity and enthusiasm. Great intro here too!
Mate, truly appreciate your videos for deviating from the usual talk. Adding the cultural and artistic information to what I can see when going to the AD myself (size, movement, etc) is making your reviews value added and enjoyable. Keep up the great work.
Thank you for this complete , clear presentation
TGV old chap, wonderful intro, your best yet. Almost detracted from the watch. As usual a very balanced and informative video.
Another beautiful piece from GS. The dial colour and application of the indices are of the quality that we have all come to expect.
The movement decoration is incredible.
The dial texture softly reflects the light. Depending on the angle it shifts from a very soft pastel blue/grey to a creamy pearl white.
The high polish cushion like case is beautiful but a finger print/scratch magnet. But I love it. Can't afford it but love it .
Onwards and upwards.
Stunning intro, TGV. You're really doing some great work at the moment.
Excellent video. The Omiwatari is my goal for 2022. For all the reasons you’ve listed and more. Everything about this piece screams (or rather whispers) understated elegance for those in the know. Thanks for another great review. 😎👍🏼
Did you get it
Your intros are amazing TGV. Sending some love ❤️
Cheers for getting your hands on so many watches you love and feel passionately about! I feel the same about this Android AD384 lefty chronograph I just picked up, its wicked!
Happy New Year, TGV and welcome back. Great video to kick off 2022!
Thank you for great video and review. I am really impressed your deeply understanding our Japanese culture. I have original 44GS and reviewed in my channel, it's so sharp and brilliant which is exactly same as SBGY007. I hope you can travel to Japan this year.
Happy New Year TGV! Sitting in Germany at 10°C (50°F) I enjoyed the Japanese winter impressions in your Intro, once again perfectly introducing and framing the timepiece at hand.
Enjoyed the balanced take on this stunner. Despite the negatives, this one is on my list as a dress piece. Thanks for the vid!
Your show and the topic of watches always calms my nerves. Here's to a hopeful new year!
This is such a lovely piece. It's sad some people will never understand or appreciate the concept of wabi sabi. For me, it's such a fundamental concept in understanding Japanese art and design. As far as your next GS piece... imagine an SBGN003 with a spring drive, display caseback, and bi-directional bezel. Not to mention micro-adjustable clasp! A guy can dream.
Another talented and classy intro. Not to mention the content. TGV your education shines through. Love it!
🙏🙏🙏 Mission complete. Thank you so much, that makes it all worth it.
Best regards,
TGV
Two years ago I started watching your channel, and went down the Seiko rabbit hole, bought six Seiko's and have my goal on a 1959 Alpinist, which will buy me the way out of the hole. But NOW THIS? definitely will never get out, amazing dial and the Spring drive is stunning, it's really magic on the wrist
The relaxed, detailed and consice way, you analyse a watch, is behond reproach.
Great video, learned a lot as always. You do a great job of mixing a lighthearted approach to keep things interesting. Finding the balance between not sounding like you’re lecturing us, but at the same time point out it’s horological significance in multiple manners is very impressive. Not many can pull it off without putting the listener to sleep. But that’s why you are who you are💯🥇
Thank you TGV! What a stunning watch review! Stay healthy and well in the new year! Nicholas Letser
I've been watching your reviews for a while now and thoroughly enjoy your stylish presentation. This episode is excellent and the background history of the GS watches will hopefully entice those who don't know to look further. I recently purchased the Shirakaba (SLGH005). Otherwise known as the White Birch. I wore it today for the first time... it is truly stunning on the wrist. A masterpiece in watch making. Surely this will be a future classic. An 80 hour time reserve too. The dial reflects the light in such a way as to subtly change colour depending on the light and its surroundings.. from silver to gold. And it was Mens Watch of 2021 at the recent awards. No, it's not cheap. But it is in the same league as watches 3 or 4 times its cost. Like you, I have a collection of 60s Constellations and Seamasters and love their size and classical lines. Sure the White Birch is large at 40mm but it wears really well and I have small wrists. Check one out if you can find one.
The intros keep getting better and better, awesome editing work!
Love the video TGV! Just bought one and look forward to wearing it at my wedding in October!
Thx TGV for the video!!! Very nice, like always!
GS is just a beast !
That piece is absolutely beautiful and yes … here in Japan they are proud of the brand as they should. Someone said that if you wanna impress your friends… you buy a Rolex… if you want to impress yourself… you buy a Grand Seiko! I love that saying!
Some may find it absurd that your channel hasn't yet reached the 1M mark, but good things do take time. I love the history take on your reviews and the gentleman's pace of the storytelling. I would love to see a project by you on exquisite pens ;-) Greetings from Munich
Happy new year TGV and all the best for 2022. Another gorgeous watch and great video. Keep up the good work.
Lovely review thank you. Must say, this is a bucket list watch for me, been admiring it for some time!! Along with the Safari it would be a great addition to my collection. Awesome production of the video btw. Absolute class!
so close to beat 500k!!!congratulations sir and wish the best in new year....
Happy New Year TGV. Looking forward to another year of great content. Best wishes, CWT 🏴
Great intro ! Wow ! Very nice. Rest of the video was excellent also. Thanks for honest opinions. Love Seikos, never will be able to afford a GS, but they are just exquisite 👍😎.
Yet another great video, TGV! Watching your last video, I saw you featured a glimpse of your DVD collection, something you've done before. I, and I'm guess most other here too, am a huge cinema lover; it would be fantastic to hear more about your clear love for it. If talking about films you like sounds of interest, perhaps making a 'DVD SOTC' (state of the collection) video could be fun?
In any case, I wish you, and everyone too, a fantastic 2022!
Beautiful intro. These videos and reviews get better every time.
Lovely review, keep up the good work. Gotta get a spring drive one day, really fascinating movement and piece of engineering.
I’m impressed with your knowledge and story telling. Great video.
Very beautiful watch!! Great video my friend! Cheers. Hope you have a prosperous 2022!
T, Wonderful video. The opening was just exquisite and top notch. The review was very well done, respectful and balanced. I am a fan of Seiko and therefore Grand Seiko and appreciate the horological offerings and significance. Best as always. Matthew
This made my day to see your comment, Grazie grande!
Best.
T.
Classic urban gentry
Good show TGV
Happy new year HUGO🦖
I saw this watch and put it on yesterday at my local Grand Seiko dealer and its truly amazing in person. like a lot of watches pictures and videos don't do it justice.
How much is it?
Thank you for another great video TGV. Happy new year to you
I have only recently seen this channel - now subscribed - but wanted to comment on the Date Ghost position. I have just checked my own example and it definitely does NOT have a ghost position, so either later models changed or there was a fault in the example reviewed.
I am surprised however that the biggest drawback was not mentioned - the bulk of the clasp makes the watch feel much more bulky than it is. But the cure is simple and free, swap the strap arms about so the loose end is in the more conventional European 'outside' rather than the Japanese 'inside'. This trick courtesy of the retailer I viewed and purchased from.
After looking at pretty much everything the store had, the Omiwatari is surely the true spirit of the movement and I was just blown away with it. I already have two other dress watches, but this was just too beautiful. I think your review was absolutely spot on. A classic case of less is more I feel.
Great vid TGV. There’s one main nagging doubt about jumping into GS for me atm, aside from many of the designs not quite hitting the sweet spot to my taste (of course very subjective, there are certainly some I like). That one thing being….
If an Omega/Zenith/Rolex/JLC etc similarly priced Swiss watch goes wrong, there is a service centre in the UK. It stays local (ish), the turn around is pretty quick if it has to go back. Anyone who’s collected watches for any time will know that even new ones occasionally have to go back under warranty. All the GS Spring Drive ones have to go back to Japan as far as I can tell. This seems a huge floor in their current set up. One I’m sure they will work to address. But knowing the company is there for me if things aren’t quite right is an important factor to me at least when buying new. If they want to compete with all the other brands, they need to up their game on not just the watches as a product but on their aftercare too.
I'm not familiar with UK, but in the US we have a service center in NJ that is able to service most GSs, including a "light polish" that falls short of zaratsu. Zaratsu polishing has to go back to Japan, and is an additional cost of around $700, not including insurance and import duties (which is significant). Pretty expensive considering typical GS prices, but the watch comes back essentially new.
There was a thread on watchuseek where a jeweler sent a used Spring Drive to Seiko USA for a polish, then to Japan for proper zaratsu just to see the difference, and long story short, the additional $$$ seems to be worth the money, especially if done every decade or so. That being said, I believe the NJ service center has since updated their equipment and is able to get close enough to zaratsu that you can't tell the difference without macro. But still, I plan on getting mine serviced and refinished in Japan every 10y or so if it's still running fine.
Thread is below. Original pics seem to have disappeared, but someone else has before/after pics of their own SD on page 6 which conveys the same the point.
www.watchuseek.com/threads/the-zaratsu-journey-a-real-life-experience-with-grand-seiko-s-polishing-service-update-2-5.2371082/
I'm not sure if GS has exploded in Europe like in the US, but if sales start skyrocketing, I'm sure they will follow up with a EU service center as well.
There are several GS stores in UK plus the postal service back & forth from Japan is so good it usually arrives back the day before it's sent, (joke), especially when a shop has branches in Japan & a trade/postal corridor. I was once told by The Real Mccoy's UK that my in shop order would take just two days to arrive in shop from Japan I thought they were kidding until it arrived two days later...
As far as I know they do not need to go back to Japan if you are based in North America or Europe and can be serviced in local service centres. They do if you need the watch polished but not for mechanical or spring drive issues. FWIW, the spring drive does not appear particularly complicated. It uses clever components technically but a mechanical escapement on a traditional watch is just as complex .
@@UnknownUser-rb9pd I've been in forums where they had to go back, even heard of a Silver Birch (not Spring Drive) having to go back to Japan because it wasnt keeping time on the week of purchase.
The King of DAYZ loves a cheeky watch vid!!
Excellent, in-depth review. I always enjoy your candid & insightful presentation. Today I even learned quite a bit about the Grand Seiko, which only peeks my curiosity further. Keep up the great work. Thanks... F. FALCONE
wow, what an intro. the king strikes yet again. I have paused at 0:46, left speechless for such beauty.
Love that clean dial without a date window another excellent video brotha 🇮🇹. I am definitely going to add a Fortis B-42 or Stratoliner chronograph at some point
Wayyy, a new video. Happy New year TGV and Hugo 👌
Awesome review. I love my GS SBGA415 Winter dial! I got it last year, my daily driver!
Very nice review TGV. I treated myself for Christmas with an omiwatari and have to say I love it. I had not noticed the 3 positions of the crown but you are right, it wasn’t a fluke. Now I cannot unsee it but it doesn’t bother me all that much. I am not a fan of the strap though and will be looking for something else, a softer grey perhaps.
Excellent video TGV. I do love my Grand Seiko Spring Drive. I understand all the negatives here, particularly the water resistance. The delicate polishing is what it is I suppose. The size is likely a negative for some but a positive for others. With an 8" wrist I have a preference for the larger size. The ghost position is a mystery, maybe there is a technical reason for this particular movement. 🤔. The dial is a beautiful thing to behold. And yes, for that price it should have a higher water resistance number and they should at the very least explain what the ghost position is for. I can't imagine it being a fault considering how few of these watches are made, but definitely worth finding out. Finally having had an extremely active weekend trekking in the Taurus Mountains with my G-Shock Mudmaster, there's nothing better than relaxing with a cup of freshly ground Nicaraguan coffee in front of the TV watching your video. Happy New Year and looking forward to seeing your 2022 videos.
Thank you for the review and amazing intro!
Great video, thanks. I've watched a lot of videos featuring various GS models, and I have just bought the SBGE269 Toji. One observation - a lot of comments complain about the size, but none of the reviewers make the point that the marvellous Spring Drive is very complex and needs the room. The model you've reviewed here does not have the automatic movement, so one piece of thickness can be removed, but spring drive is always going to take up space.
That intro was incredible. Better than what the actual watch brands produce. Had to watch it twice.
That intro just pulls me in. Great visuals. Grand Seiko just moves something in me. Maybe. One day.
What a classy piece. Awesome review TGV!
I have a month with mine and I'm in love with this piece. The 9R31A is the thinnest Spring Drive hand made movement from the Shinshu watch studio with dual main spring in one barrel, yeah this caliber is not open with bridges and exposed components but the single center bridge adds robustness to an already robust movement. I haven't worn my "Suwa Minamo" after getting this piece. Finally if you have a 6.75 -7.25 wrist this is a killer plain and simple!!
I think you may enjoy the SLGA007. A bit quirky with respects to case shape, bracelet and oversized crown, but dial is other worldly and the movement is superb. I agree with your assessment on this piece and enjoyed the journey you took us regarding the relevant history. Would love to see you review the SLGA007 and see what you think of it! Cheers and Happy New Year to you and yours!
Haven’t they already all been spoken for? Or can they actually be found at any ADs/boutiques?
I have to say the SLGA007 is breathtaking.
Fantastic video as always!
I can’t wait for all the 2022 videos!!
Great review and great video! Perfecto music and images. Congratulations.
Thank you so much Gonzalo, you are an absolute gent for saying so.
Best regards,
TGV
A very educational video. Thank you and happy new year
Thank you so much, happy new year to you too!
Best regards,
TGV
Great review. The lack of skeletonization on the movement is such a bummer on these! There's so much to see back there, but all we get is a big ol' bridge plate. Beautiful dial, of course, but there's more to a watch at this price point. Bravo!
Classic design but for me a 38 mm would have been better, glad they have now put the power reserve pointer on the back as it makes the dial look a lot cleaner
Great review as always and happy new year
Once again the production quality is that much better than most. Excellent music selections.
Thank you Steve, I always appreciate that. O&U!
Best regards,
TGV
Happy new year TGV and Mr Mountbatten.
Nice video, my prédictions for 2022 will be a return of classic dress watches, like the new Patek, JLC ultra slim, Zenith Elite and of course this high end GS
Luxury will be more discret in the futur.
Cheers
My giddy aunt, what an intro TGV! Fantastico.
What a timepiece, perfect balance of fine finishing and engineering, looks like I’ll definitely consider getting one in the near future
Really love that Fortis. Would love to add a Grand Seiko at some point but drawn to the more vintage models. Having said that that dial is just amazing. Hope you and your family had a great holiday.
Fortis is one of the most underrated Swiss brands, love the color themes and the clear white contrast they always have on their dials.
Looks like playwatch compered to the GS!
the intro was impressive! great review
U nailed it talking about monetary value VS name brand, certainly if I have 8-9G that I can spend on a time piece it would be on the Milgauss blue with green crystal after some saving for sure. I do have a request though TGV, Alpina is on the rise especially after being bought by Citizen, would u be able to make an overall Alpina review with some focus on the new turtle/cushion style models. Thanks a ton my friend and happy new year to you. Mohamed
Absolute in love with the dial and the size 🥰🥰 another dressy grail of mine
The Spring Drive movement simply does not get enough recognition for its incredible timekeeping mechanism. An electromagnetic feedback loop is a horological marvel that I wish I could see on more watches.
It's a fancy, overcomplicated quartz movement, calm down.
@@Ozmeister666 No.
Lovely watch, great review....debating a GS in the meantime when I wake up in the morning and squint at my SNKL41 I too get that GS vibe....
That Grand Seiko is gorgeous. Love the comparisons with the SARB033. That watch still to this day remains my one and only watch because of this channel. I am lusting for more Seiko's (in particular the SPB143/SSC813) but I might just stick with my one watch collection forever and be happy. Keep up the good work TGV and Happy New Year!
Thank you Kevin, the SARB033 is indeed a classic. Thankfully it is in my wife's collection now so I still get to see it on the weekend 😉😂. Honestly it is the only watch you need as you can do everything with it. Enjoy and wear it with pride my friend, that watch really changed my life and my love for Seiko.
Best regards,
TGV
Brilliant intros. The quality of videos are soooo good. Content is good, too. I just realllly wish he’d stop gatekeeping horology and watch enthusiasm so much. The videos are sooooo good without that. Intros and music and production are always excellent.
@@theurbangentry Have you ever had a chance to wear the SARB021, or any of the other colorways? It was a tough decision for me, between the 033 and the 021.
I chose the 021 for the case and hands/indices. I love how they float above the space-black dial.
I have an 033 too and it’s my go too watch
Nice honest video!
Fantastic video, well done and thank you
Back to your very best here - good work
Love your videos, but what I like the most is the sound! Very well recorded. I went to a local shop here in Brazil to see the GS in person. This particular watch of this video, very well made, but as we say here: unsalted.
Among the GS in the shop, the GMT with dark blue dial was the most beatiful. What a watch!
I know it is a high end watch, but here in Brazil its price is very close to a Rolex, what is a problem, specially for a first luxury watch buyer. GS brand has not the same weight out side of Japan as a Rolex.
Good job on the review . Thx
Thank you TGV for another honest review. It is difficult not to like a watch with a reference number ending in "007". If you were near, I hope you survived the Mummers parade. Happy New Year!
You're pure class TGV. 👍Happy new year.
Thank you Jim, happy new year and congrats on the recent Eagles win.
Best regards,
TGV