How Do Turboprops Get Delivered To Far Away Customers?
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2024
- When it comes to the delivery of a new aircraft, large, widebody jets usually have no issue getting from the factory to the customer airline anywhere in the world. But what about delivering regional jets and turboprop aircraft to far-away customers? How does that work? Let’s find out…
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I worked at ATR delivery center in Toulouse
I remember when we delivered an aircraft to an airliner in Vanuatu, an archipelago in the pacific.
The ferry flight was planned to have 12 stops and would take ~3 weeks before reaching destination. There was a lot of pressure to deliver in time because of all the airport slots they had to book.
This was made even worse due to the airline being black listed in EU.
The ferry flights for Iran Air where long too because their airplanes are forbiden to flight over a lot of countries for political reasons.
Turboprops get delivered in a large box with "Tamiya" on the front complete with a tub of strong glue and some rubber bands.
Sent by DHL or China post.
Really? 😁
Airfix does it also and the Ikea version comes with its own spanner
@@obelic71 AIRFIX!!! That's the one I meant to say instead of Tamiya but couldn't think of it at the time.
@@coldo121 Tamiya is remote control so you could fly it from your home to the destination and try some areobatic manouevers on the way
Short answer: they fly it
THEY?!?!? How dare you
With no seats, or extra fuel tanks
Obviously
f3nd13y ...?
What about Hawaii I know how 717 does it but turboprops have less range I would assume not big turboprop alirliner fan
Imagine being the pilot who had to ditch a $30 million new plane in the middle of the ocean because of headwinds or bad fuel calculations :-/
Chris Loh RIP
These pilots should buy EV to learn charging calculations first in winter and summer months then fly through headwinds.
Johnson! In my office! Now!
30 million? Really?😳😳
Henry Rollins A new Q400 is $32.2 million as of 2017 (source: Wikipedia)
Plane delivery crew: "i packed a number of redshirts"
Me: "so they would die instead of me"
That's what I thought too
That's exactly where my mind went too lol
Same, Star Trek
i never knew Tom Scott was a pilot.
Pilot: "I packed a couple of redshirts...."
Star Trek fans: "No, you fool!"
2:16
Damn Brexit is getting out of hand
Lmao I just realised
LOL! 😄
The graphics are probably made by a frenchman
Britan wants to leave earth lol
Wouldn't surprise me if the hardest of hardcore Brexiteers would likje things that way.
Air NZ bring our atrs over from France with many stops for fuel along the way
Simple: You ask the US Navy if one of their aircraft carriers is by any chance going somewhere close to your destination in the next couple of weeks.
hmm that makes me thinking. Would a commercial aircraft carrier work?
@@sirBrouwer no point. More expensive to build than just make multiple stops or design some drop tanks
I suspect the wingspan of a commercial airliner would exclude the possibility of landing on an aircraft carrier - let alone taxiing and taking off again. You might as well stick it on top of a cargo ship and lift it off with a crane at the other end.
This question bothered me a lot! Thank you for your enlightenment!
You mean they weren’t deliver in big blue boxes labeled “REVELL”?
Sadly yes.
Aww I just read this topic in your blog and seeing the video popping in notification bar😅
That's how all long haul journeys were made back in the day! Just getting to RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus meant refuel stops for the Andover. Flights to RAF airfields in former Empire locations took days, with night stops and refuelling stops along the way.
I’ve done a delivery flight for my company......ferried a Dash 8-400 from Downsview, Canada to Delhi with 6 transit stops across the journey, wonderful experience 😊😊
Surely something special to do such a long flight on such a small plane. Where did you do those 6 transit stops?
@@ShefTimi Hi, thanks for that! It was indeed a special flight :)
The stops were Goosebay-Canada, Keflavik-Iceland, LeBourget-Paris, Budapest-Hungary, Trabzon-Turkey, Fujairah-Dubai and then to New Delhi .....
Do they install extended range tanks on board?
@@jonathantan2469 not in our case, but I have heard of extended tank sleeves being fit in other ferry flights.....we had comfortable range with our transit stops :)
I had this exact question a few months ago! And here is the answer.
Imagine having to deliver an ATR to air nz. That would be the furthest country to deliver to for both countries
barney burnett Air New Zealand has lots of ATRs. They flew them here, the delivery flight (multiple hops) taking six days.
@@corkeymonster yep that's a lot of coordination and time. Air nz has 3 types of turbo props but the atr's are the best
deez nuts air nz has 3 types of turboprop? I thought they only had the q300 and the atr 72
@@skimz7117 yeah also have some Saab 340s that are operated by small regional airlines. They also not too long ago retired their beechcraft aircraft fir the q300
deez nuts. oh I see, good to know. Air New Zealand is awesomeeeee
Season one of Ice Pilots goes into this in some detail, they deliver a couple of firefighting CL-215s from Canada to Turkey.
I managed to film a brand new Dash-8 heading from Canada to Ethiopia, it flew via Iceland, Manchester, Rome and finally Addis Ababa last year. Not something you see everyday at Manchester ;)
What a great question - I had never thought of this.
Thank you for another interesting - and wonderfully short (I don't like long videos) - video.
Wow i just knew it. Thanks for sharing. Keep it coming!
Embraer: Am I a joke to you?
That's what Shorts said, too.
Embraer doesn't make turboprops anymore, they make regional jets.
@@mr.whatever1492 They still make and maintain both. Not sure how long that will hold given props don't have much more efficiency to squeeze out, but yes they still produce props and are in the midst of building a new one under the Boeing Brazil label. www.flightglobal.com/airframers/embraer-still-eyeing-development-of-turboprop-family/135332.article
I feel proud that the Dash 8 is made near me in Toronto, and when a Toronto based regional airline, Porter, only uses Q400s
Nationalism is good. Results in people taking pride in their work which results in great products like the Dash 8.
@@msnpassjan2004 I'm also glad that the Bombardier C-Series/A220 is getting glowing reviews and is being called the "Best Regional/Short to Medium distance aircraft". Once this COVID-19 outbreak blows over, I'm gonna try and fly on an A220 from Toronto to Montreal or something like that.
@@coastaku1954 Oh yeah, everybody wants a peak at the A220 !
@@msnpassjan2004 I think it's a good looking plane and it has a very nice interior
I’m a mechanic with our major airline that’s recently added the 220 to our fleet and I’m anxious to compare it closely to another similar type that we’ve had in our fleet that has a number of poor engineering issues.
With air New Zealand q300’s they would have to install long range fuel tanks in the cabin to fly from San Francisco to Honolulu which can be up to a 10hour flight, only 2 out of 23 q300’s took the longer route without long range fuel tanks, they had over 3x more stops than with long range fuel tanks
Thanks for the information I never thought about that but now I know so that’s good 👍
i was just thinking about this!! great timing
Indeed ANOTHER AWESOME video 📹!.. Thank you!
Thanks, I've guessed something like this, but nice to have it explained👍
Great video! Love learning about ferry flying.
I wondered this tnx man
Is it possible to tow a specialy designed glider behind it just to carry A LOT of fuel so no stopping is required
No
The glider would have to be about as big as a 737 and would weigh about 300 tons, so no, its not possible
🙄
Oh yes XD
@@arussianspy4147 Those do have the structure to hold the fuel tanks tho, the weight of them isn't something on the calculations of those commercial planes.
The calculations from the poster you replied to are *probably* pretty absurdly off tho, unless the intended range is like a roundtrip around the world...
I love turboprop flights.. never seem to be able to find flights over 2h on them
PAL in the Philppines operated Q400 flights from Manila to Kuala Lumpur before for a short-time. I got the opportunity to experience it last 2013. It's really weird having to board a turboprop at KLIA knowing that your destination is 3 hours away and involves crossing a vast expanse of water. 😂
Travel to Norway. Widerøe have several flights with them. I have done Oslo Airport to Svolvær in beautiful Lofoten. It is fun.
Seattle to Billings, or any Montana town that Horizon flies to
Muy buen video, gracias.
I’ve been on 2 atr-72 ferry flights from Toulouse to Nz
Toulouse - Luxor - Muscat - Colombo - Singapore - Darwin - Brisbane - Christchurch NZ
4 dislikes? Maybe it was turbo jet fans. Great video by the way friend!
One of the longest hops across the Pacific is California-Hawaii at 2500 miles. Regional jets delivered to Hawaii had special auxiliary tanks in the cabin approved by the FAA.
Thank you for answering a question I always wonder 👍👍👍
“Handful like the Dash 8 and ATR”
*sad Bombardier Q Series noises*
Dash 8 is nothing but older q series ,isn’t it ?
The Q is a 400 series Dash 8
He forgot to mention the Saab 2000
Great and instructive video.
i have been looking for this answer all my life
My friend delivers one from Perth Scotland to Perth Australia. Done four of them now!
Great stuff !!!
I was wondering before how short range aircraft are delivered for far customers. Thanks for the video.
Very interesting and informative video.
Oof... Redshirts... If the original Star Trek has taught me anything then being a Redshirt in a tight situation is not a favorable thing.
I have been wondered that for all of my life, thanks for answering me
I imagine when Sas took delivery of their DC9-32 then it looks like this from LGB via BGR onward to SFJ then KEF then OSL or CPH
Yes dispatched many of those MDC aircraft, even to Asia. Soms even had bladder tanks installed in the cabin. Was a FAA Flight Dispatcher Flight Ops Test Production for MDC 1988 tp 2002.
2:33 “extra carful” calculations...
I use to ferry light single and multiengine airplanes along with turboprops like the Cessna 208 Caravan. Flying the North Atlantic, I did that most of the time, I would wear a cold water emersion suit for the crossing. GPS makes the navigation easier, but being an old guy that learned the old school ways, I do navigation logs and have all the paper charts in my flight bag. I don't trust the Electronic Flight Bags quite as much as some of the younger guys do. Internal ferry fuel tanks are a must. One of the problems these days is AV Gas 100 LL. It can be hard to get in some places. One of the reasons diesel power is being worked on for light piston aircraft because Jet A is available everywhere. The other problem is the lead in the fuel, the EPA (US) wants it gone, the problem is coming up with fuel for all the existing piston-powered aircraft that will work and at the required performance level. It is a lot harder than you would think. If the whole worldwide fleet has to end up re-engine, it's going to be a staggering amount of money in a part of aviation that has very very thin profit margins as it is. Oh, and the last time I was in Greenland for a fuel stop, the Avgas was 19 a gallon and I had to buy the whole barrel at a time. Avgas at my home airport right now is running 5.80 a gallon. Call it 6 bucks. Takes about 360 dollars to fill an empty or just about empty Cessna 182. Flying is not cheap. Then again it never was, even when I started some 45 years ago.
I love that the Geico gecko does these videos
I have an 85 year old friend who is a Dash 8 ferry pilot, and yes he still has an ATP and 1/c medical.
Well that explains everything
There was an interesting story of how Boeing delivered the 717-200 to Hawaiian Airlines from the former McDonnell-Douglas Long Beach, CA plant. They removed most of the seats and put in three big fuel bladders so the plane had the range to fly directly from Long Beach to Honolulu non-stop.
So...... what was the plane going to be used for???
It doesn't have the range to be used with passengers.
@@wms1650 Inter island flights
I used to work near the Canadian plant and have seen a few in far away liveries
Great video
The more interesting one is how the GA aircraft do it. Flying a DA-62 from Germany to Canada for example. Diamond has a video series of that flight being done. I'm hoping to become a ferry pilot.
Interesting show.
I was kind of taken aback when the landing gear on the Dash went backward. I'm accustomed to it going inward lol
Dash 8 For the Win! Love the Q-400
I actually got very interested in this recently cause I saw an Ethiopian dash-8 in Toronto flying from the bombardier test airport and firstly thought they travel on top of the vessel but I've never seen such a picture. For this dash-8 I think it must be a very complicated trip to its working place and I hope one day I'll know the exact answer
Hey Shaesta!! Fancy seeing you here.
Nice...
Wow they fly them to their destination. Wow.
A Friend of mine does it for ATR. He went to Himalaya one time.
Hmmm... Based on what I saw online, there is a turboprop aircraft like Dash 8-400 doesn't have any stops in Russia to get into Asia from Canada. This was happen when De Havilland delivered PAL Express Dash 8-400 aircraft from Toronto to Manila eastbound via Malta, Cairo.
Brother-in-law just flew with a Twin Otter to the Antarctica for the summer tourist season and back.
0:18 yeeeeah
Thx for showing my native airline
I've always wondered this haha
does the delivery flying hours belong to customer or manufacturers?
Always wondered how Jambo Jet got their DHC-8s to the 254... 'Zuru Kenya' getting her paint work done at 0.50"👌
The answer is the aircraft has to stop in many airports for refuel and also rest..an atr from Toulouse to Kuala Lumpur Malaysia may took 2 days to reach its destination.
May I refer you to the channel of diamond aircraft and their "crossing the pond" series? They shipped a small GA twin piston engine aircraft from Austria to Canada.
When you need to cross an ocean with a regional turboprop you also need to have some extra navigation systems normally found in long haul airliners
Well, there goes me being a know all about this. It never occurred to me that extra navigation systems would be req'd. I really thought they just hopped and landed where they needed to to refuel. Then there's the question of multiple crews...
We need specifics. You are generalizing. I thought you had inside info. What you must tell us is, by how much exactly is the range of a dash 8 increased when seats are removed?
I have been having this question in my mind for many days 😂
PT Dirgantara Nusantara (PT DI) Indonesia (CN-235 manufacture), once used multiple stop strategy when they brought back their CN235 from Venezuela to Bandung-Indonesia as final destination. Using Brazil, African countries, middle east countries and south Asia countries airports as refueling and resting point. Facing so many obtacle, like imigration/custom paperwork, finally they reached final destination after 1 month flying.
What about the delivery of single prop general aviation aircrafts to overseas?
Same way Amy Johnson flew from UK to Australia 90 years ago.
That would be a cool job. But, I hear its stressful and not luxurious at all. You're basically a freight haulers great respect for the aviators who deliver these planes.
Looking at the Aussie Airliners website told me that at least one ferry flight from Canada to Australia of a Dash-8 landed in Colombo, suggesting that it went via Europe and Central Asia to get to Oz. I guess going the other way via Anchorage has too long a leg from there to Hokkaido?
So in other words if I were to fly from Washington to Guam in a TBM 940 or a PC12 I would have to install extra fuel tanks, fly south to Los Angeles and then top off and fly to Hawaii and then island hop to Guam?
He makes sound so difficult. Imperial Airways biplanes were providing passenger service from London to Australia in the 1930s. Their range was like 500 miles.
Every summer Twin Otters fly to the South Pole. There is no mystery to long-distance flights. It just takes planning and preparation.
There is some ATR plane own by Hawaiian airlines named Ohana Air or something like that. It is in Hawaii. Explain how they ship it.
I was thinking this too. No nearby islands to stop off at.
I think you should watch the video. They will explain it to you.
There's a good ATR 72 600 delivery video on RUclips, I think it was to Brazil. I cannot remember the details about stops and fuel though.
Amazon prime!
They fly the things for Christ’s sake!
For Mohammed’s sake
@@timmyboyproductions3947 For Shrek's sake
@@timmyboyproductions3947 please don't start
En Ei Zee Too late! Blasphemy is a terrible thing!
So this is a video basically saying that it gets delivered the exact same way any other plane gets delivered. Thanks not thanks.
No, it saying that it is more difficult and complex to deliver them than other planes.
Seems like a big fuel bladder in the empty cabin would hold enough fuel to get across the Atlantic and stops the rest of the way as no problem.
Or you could fit them with wings removed into a Dreamlifter or Beluga but that probably costs too much.
what is break-even load factor for Q400?
Before I thought it was a bit like the space shuttles even though that wasn't true that would've been cool
So hows about the pilot and flight assistant...who will send them back to home in france?...
A knowledgeable Somebody out there may say Ya or Nay however with all of the long range wide bodies being dumped would not there be a market for a striped-down "heavy" to be modified for a year-long purpose as a Ferry to haul T-props around the globe?
Probably more costly due to fuel and fees but worth a consideration; even if only for a couple of minutes. Thank you.
almost like a stepping stone effect.
Me driving across country...I stop for gas. I'll make a video if it would help?
Imagine having the Trent 1000 break on delivery lol
Jambojet made the cut... Yaaay... I flew in that one that was being constructed over there...
Prop-Jet airliners are the BEST aircraft to be a passenger on!
02:31 You weren't extra "carful" double-checking the typing, mate. Nothing intended. Just stood out. Cheers!
I was watching a trip report video of a QantasLink Dash 8 flying in Australia and I wondered how the heck they even got the plane down there 🤨 And for that matter, the turboprops and Cessnas and other small planes in Hawaii
Are there any isolated island groups that fly small planes within their area but can't be reached from major continents by hoping between airports to get there ??
Islands I would think of are Santa Helena in the southern Atlantic or some of Australia‘s island territories. Maybe you could also include the Maledives with heir inter island hopping sometimes done by seaplane
On the other hand if you buy from saab the plane will be shipped in a box with the included allen key, and tiny wrench to assemble your plane.