I like to see how Samyang evolve as a mature lens maker. They implemented autofocus, linear motor, and now weather sealing. So they're now pretty on par with other major 3rd party lens manufacturers in terms of usability, but I hope more. Sigma pursuits optical perfection with their Art series, and Tamron made a good compromise of size , image quality and useful features with their G2 SP primes and FE zooms. I hope Samyang have their unique color. So, highly regard their small, light, slow aperture lens like 35 2.8, 24 2.8, and upcoming 45 1.8. Even though the 35 and 24 has some weaknesses. I hope 45 1.8 made a balanced compromise as this 85 1.4. Nice work as always, Justin. Thanks from the deep heart. P.S. Your point about the spherical aberration and the bokeh is valid. Nikon 105 & 135 F2 Defocus Control lens can under-correct and over-correct spherical aberration to achieve soft and busy bokeh in one lens.
Thanks for another incredible review, Dustin! I think you are quite possibly the best lens reviewer on RUclips. Love your thorough and balanced approach to testing lenses. Your reviews let viewers form their own opinions based on the facts you put forth, rather than force a strong opinion on them. Excellent work!
Dustin Abbott is better than George Lucas at Trilogy's. His next Trilogy chapters are "Sony: Our New Hope", "Return of the Samyang's" and "The Rise of Tamron". I can't wait for 2021 when his new Trilogy starts off with a bang called "Nikon Strikes Back".
I bought this lens, along with the 45mm samyang upon watching your reviews. I must say, right now I own the Tamron 28-75, the samyang 45 1.8, the samyang 35 2.8, and this 85 1.4 - and the 85 is the best lens I have ever used. I can't describe it! It feels like driving a Ferrari. It's a step above everything else. There's just something different about it. And the images it produces are amazing. Thank you Dustin!
The best review I have ever seen on this lens. Very thorough, all the right critical details and information that’s needed when making a decision. You did a super job on this review! THANK YOU!
I was getting bored with the Sigma ART 50mm f/1.4. Good lens, the image quality is there, AF is there, but the 50mm look didn't do it for me, so I started considering my next move. Either save up for the GM 85 (which I've rented before and tested) or the GM 135, or something cheaper... like this. You, sir, are responsible for my purchase of this lens. Apart from the lens behaving and delivering images with the qualities you've listed in your review, there is one odd advantage to that lens that I found for myself when shooting an evening event with disgustingly bad lighting. The rule of thumb being "shoot at shutter speed 2x your focal length", I as often as not was getting blurred images with the Sigma even at 1/100s, but with the Samyang, being WAY more comfortable and balanced, I was able to shoot sharp, non blurred images even at 1/30s. Reviewing the images, I almost thought that Samyang are such good guys that they put IS inside the lens without telling anyone about it, but apparently it's just light and well balanced enough. AF was tricky, especially in the very bad light, but it was something I could work with, and in better light it behaves as well as I need it to. And considering this is something that can be improved via software, for me this lens easily offers greater price to performance ratio even than the Sony FE 85mm f/1.8. Once again, your reviews are exceptional, sir, and thank you for bringing them to us.
Excellent review as always, thank you so much! A quick question: I’ve seen other reviews where the lens really struggles with video af, keeps hunting or just completely misses focus. Did you experience anything like that when tracking subjects with afc?
I'm sold! Just ordered a "well used" one on Adorama for $569 and am hoping it's functionally and optically like new. I'm impressed you didn't encounter the pulsing AF that a Japanese reviewer found even with the latest lens firmware. Actually Samyang admitted on their website that their latest lens firmware (v3.0?) has issues and is no longer being made available until they clear up the issues. At least they're committed to improving things! Thanks again for all your excellent reviews!
First of all, I haven't yet tested the Sony 85 1.8 (I plan to do a shootout this summer), but I have a lot of familiarity with 85mm lenses, and I would say the Samyang is almost certainly going to be the more special portrait lens.
Hey Dustin, I commented on your other video and wanted to follow up. So if we're talking real world, I shot a 10 hour wedding yesterday and used this Samyang for a fair number of shots on the A7R3. Overall it performed better than I thought it would when it came to AF. Eye AF performed quite well too and most of my shots were in perfect focus. The color it produced is rich and vibrant, but when you're shooting raw most lenses are fairly similar in that regard these days. Here's my one issue with it that none of your test images show. Yesterday it was pure blue skies here in Jersey, brutal sun at 4pm for the outside ceremony. I have been looking past my canon 85 1.2ii for these outside scenarios because of the fringing and aberration that happens at 1.2. When shooting people at 1.4-2.0 at a distance of about 10-15 feet, there is this aberration that surrounds the subjects heads against lighter backgrounds. It happens a lot, especially when using a cto AD200 as a backlight to create fake sunlight and such. (I'm a huge OCF guy) This is one of my signature looks and always creates stunning imagery. But after using the fringing reduction option in lightroom it leaves this gray outline around their heads sometimes. Not a huge issue but I notice it. Was really hoping this samyang doesn't do that, but sadly it does this same thing as well. So basically it fringes like most 85s, not quite as bad though. Overall I like the lens....still on the fence if I will keep it though. If I didn't have the Canon on MC-11 I would DEF keep it and I recommend it wholeheartedly over the 85GM. It's like 95% of that lens. Thanks for your reviews!
That's great anecdotal feedback. This lens actually has slightly better CA control than a number of 85mm alternatives. I would recommend that (if you keep it), you shoot those type shots at F2.8, which should eliminate essentially all the fringing that you describe. The lens actually does really well with Eye AF (surprisingly so, actually).
@@DustinAbbottTWI So I just wanted to give you a quick followup. So I shot another wedding with this lens, and used the canon 85 1.2 ii as well. As I went through all of the photos afterwards on the 38" 4k monitor, it was clear to me which where which. The canon just provides a look that the Samyang and Sony GM cannot match. Not to be cliche, but they really do have more of a dreamy/artistic look. I ended up returning the Samyang. Shot another wedding this weekend and the Canon performed perfectly all day on the A7Riii. In fact, I don't think I had one single shot out of focus via the MC-11.
For 35, I'd use Sigma because their weight is similar and have same magnification ratio. But Sigma has way better quality control. Even in my country, the price differnce is about $20 after getting promotion. For 50 and 85, it depends. If you pursuit the sharpness from corner to coners at wide open, the Art prime excels compared to everything else. And the price is quite reasonable. But they are bulky and heavy and not cheap in absolute term. Samyang lenses have nicer bokeh and cheaper price tag, and it is quite important factors for someone.
I'm also having the Focus Pulsing that Dustin mentions in the video - it only happens in AF-C and does happen when using Eye AF, quite a lot. The camera snaps on to the target, but then starts this nervous pulsing where focus racks back and forth endlessly and never settles. I haven't yet updated the firmware.
Thanks Dustin, for this and the other great reviews which are thorough and fact based without bias. I don't know why someone would give you a thumb down.
Hello Dustin. I have three questions for you. 1 Which would you recommend, Sony FE 35mm F2.8 ZA or the Samyang AF 35mm F1.4 FE? 2 Sony FE 55mm F1.8 ZA or Sony Planar T* FE 50mm f1.4 ZA? 3 Sony FE 85mm F1.8 or Samyang AF 85mm F1.4 FE. I have already watched your videos on these lenses. I look forward to your reply.
I haven’t used the Sony 35mm, so I can’t comment there. I personally really like the Planar 50mm. As for the 85mm lenses - the Sony will deliver better autofocus performance and the Samyang will give you softer bokeh and more separation of your subject from the background.
Thanks fror the review. How would you compare the image quality of this lens with that of the Premium XP 85/1.2? Particularly with regards to overall rendering and OOF blur?
I actually think this lens is fairly close. The F1.2 lens will have the ability to produce greater blur, but you'll have a lot more "nailed" images with this lens.
I received my Rokinon version off of Amazon and tested during a proposal shoot this past weekend. My copy unfortunately had HORRIBLE focus hunting issues in perfect lighting. A7iii with newest firmware. Never had an issue with my 85 1.8 FE. Sad to say i have to send it back. The shots that did hit focus though were beautiful in comparison to the 1.8.
@@DustinAbbottTWI do you have files for fw2.0 upgrade please? Samyang has took them down from their website because of some problems in video AF, but it was supposed to improve photo AF performance. I have my copy of Samyang home now, with fw1 version and tomorrow is a wedding.... Thanks.
Thank you for all your lens reviews, they helped me choose which 24-70mm to pick for weddings and events (the Tamron G2). I think I'm choosing this 85mm for my Z6+FTZ adapter, for portraits.
Hello brother, Iam a photographer and videographer too. I need to buy 85mm lenses, it should help me to get perfect pictures and videos in Autofocus , is samyang 85mm f1.4 AF lens is better or should I got to other 85mm lenses ? I need a accurate answer brother. Can you help me in this? Iam a wedding filmer and Short film maker from india..
Hi Dustin. Do you happen to recall whether you tested the autofocus in lower light? Sometimes that is the achilles heel of an otherwise excellent third party lens. Thank you.
god~ dustin's reviews are so persuasive! ~! I already purchased a 35mm Samyang after seeing his review, now I'm considering 85mm Samyang. Thank you Mr Dustin. My current favorite go to review channel for Camera gears.
have you tested this lens on apsc like the 6500 or 6400? i shoot with apsc (6500) and i am looking to get 85mm lens. its either the sony 85 1.8 or the samyang. which one would you recommend?
I'm comparing the 85mm options (Sony, Samyang, and Sigma F1.4 along with Sony, Batis, and Viltrox 1.8) right now, so stay tuned. I'll start showing comparisons in a few weeks.
Hello again! Great review as always! I'm seriously considering of purchasing this lens. The only thing I'm put off by is some horrible video AF results I've seen in some videos. But they're all more than a year and a half old. Did they adress this with a firmware update or is it still losing focus like crazy on the video side of things? I see that on the photo side it's solid like a rock. Also, congrats on 100K!
There have been a number of firmware updates that have made a lot of improvements. Make sure to get the lens station, and you should be good. I use the RF version of the lens now, and use it for my videos all the time and it is perfect.
Unfortunately Fuji doesn't seem to really license autofocus algorithms. You pretty much get Fujinon and nothing else (with a few exceptions - Zeiss Touit, I believe)
I am watching this lens review not because I need this lens, just miss Dustin's voice 😀Dustin make some vlogs or talk about your wedding photography experience, please
Hi, Dustin, great review. One question for Samyang Lens. I had one Samyang 35 mm f2.8, I feel the lens has obvious yellow tone by comparing to other lens. Do you see similar yellow tone on the new Samyang AF 85mm F1.4 ?
Hi Mr Dustin. I wondering after a year, would you still use the samyang or is their a better lens as of today? Did you ever add it in your personal kit?
Dustin Abbott thank your response. I just picked up one last night after finding a deal I couldn’t say no to. Your video definitely solidified my decision. Your doing an amazing job. Keep up the great work. Have been watching you for a long time, and they informative and detailed. Your Sony 135mm gm video has been making me itching to buy a copy for myself, but for now the 85mm f1.4 is friendlier on my wallet. Have a great day and stay safe.
@@shantobalok Sorry to hear about your issues. No things you can look at do you have the latest firmware. If you don’t you will need to buy a dock which is about $70. I only shoot mainly photos, so it focusing is fast for me. To be honest if your mainly using the 85mm for video, I would recommend you sell the samyang and pick up the 85mm f1.8. I think it has the best focusing for video out of all of the 85mm. If you do both, maybe look at the more expensive 85mm, like the new sigma 85mm f1.4 dn dg. I hope this helps.
I'm so confused between Samyang 85 1.4 and Sony 85 1.8. for a7iii Is the difference between the two massive? I prefer going with native sony glass but then f1.4... at this price is just unbeatable... Can you suggest the best option? Please
Dustin, currently in the UK both the Sony 85mm f1.8 and the Samyang 85mm f1.4 are going to market for £599. When I shoot I tend to look for sharpness of image across frame, contrast and colour rendering more than necessarily needing that f-stop. Would I be better off getting the Sony or should I get the Samyang?
Hi Dustin, I am having a hard time to pick the best 85mm lens for my a7iii. What do you say when comes to price and image quality? Would you recommend me to get the Samyang over Sony GM / Sigma 1.4? Thanks in advance!!
I haven't used the GM yet, so I can't comment there. I would personally choose it over the Sigma, as I believe that lens to be too large for practical, everyday use and I like the overall rendering from the Samyang better.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you for your reply. What about the Batis 85mm? When it comepares to the Samyang 85mm. I personally love the Batis colour tone, however I found the batis is too large to carry around, plus it doesnt have optical stabilization and it is abit out of my budget....
I haven't tested the Batis yet, though I will do an 85mm shootout this summer. The Batis does have OSS, though. www.zeiss.com/camera-lenses/int/photography/products/batis-lenses/batis-1885.html
Hi Dustin, thanks a lot for your review, just a quick question, in terms of Lens formula, is the samyang the same as the Samyang 85mm AF EF for Canon, any recommandation ? (as well compared to the Tamron SP 85mm) ? what's your preferred one ?
It isn't the same optical formula. This is the better lens, I believe. I like the Samyang overall better than the Tamron. The Tamron might be a hair sharper, but the Samyang has really lovely bokeh and I like the overall rendering better.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks for the feedback, here I'm speaking about a Canon Mount (EOS RP) and I would like to invest into a 85mm and don't which one to choose !:-/
Hi Dustin, come back to you , I don't know if you miss my question about the 85mm for an EOSRP mount, which one do you recommend ? thanks again for your precious help. Waiting for your next videos ;-)
A good value lens in a Canon EF mount (if you have the adapter) is the Tamron 85mm F1.8 VC. You don't have many choices right now in a native RF mount outside of the very expensive RF 85mm F1.2L variants
Great job Dustin, I enjoy your reviews, very well done. Ok now with that said . . . I'm about to purchase a 85mm, and trying to make up my mind on one of three. The Sony FE 85mm f/1.8,.. this one here the Samyang AF 85mm f/1.4 and the Tokina ATX-M 85mm f/1.8 FE (I have the Tokina FiRIN 20mm f/2.0 FE MF and I love it). The question that I need to ask is, can I shoot with any or all in a manual mode and not have infinity focus thrown off by .. 'fly or fire by wire' .. like I had happen all the time with a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 crop lens I once had while shooting stars at night. ... I know right now what you are thinking ... I know this (85mm) is first a portrait lens. I shoot landscape mostly and been getting more with time interested in doing portraits. My first love of photography is shooting the stars, Milky Way, Auroras and with foreground/mountains. Besides portraits I wish to use the 85mm set up on my Sony a7s a Equatorial Tracker ... to lower iso, longer exposure, numerous images then stack them in post .. to bring out detail and color of Nebula's. Call me crazy, but thats me. .. Sorry for this being too long, but I think you know what I hope you can help me with. I want one that can shoot in full manual mode besides auto-focus. I am aware that the Sony lens has a AF/MF switch . . . I thank you in advance kind Sir
That really depends on what I'm doing. If I'm traveling or need to pack light and compact, the 75mm. If I'm doing a more serious portrait or event session, I might grab the 85mm
Very detailed review, awesome. I got sony AR7R3 (firmware 3.01) and am thinking to buy this len, but do you know if there is any AF/AFC issue with this len (firmware 0.3) please? thanks
Not broke. I think it got decentered a bit through a hit while hiking.
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I am still a Canon shooter, trying to decide where to go, and 85mm 1.4 will be a determining factor. From your review I can conclude that this lens seems to balance the traits I look for, reasonable size and weight, balance between sharpness and smoothness in the bokeh. My past experience with Samyang lenses has however left me disappointed with the color reproduction of the lens. How do you find that to be in this lens?
Putting aside weight and price considerations, what 85mm lens do you love for the special rendering of images, please? What 50-56 mm lens? What 35mm lens? I rely on your comprehensive analysis of lenses, but value equally your unerring ability to go to the heart of their appeal. Ideally, I would prefer lenses that provide a unique, arresting quality over those that are merely sharp and accurate. Many thanks again!
@@DustinAbbottTWI was saving and close to able to get the 24 1.4 GM. Have the 28-75/70-200/50 already, in your opinion would getting the 85 before the 24 be wiser? Portrait/event shooter, but also do quite a bit video/gimble work, hence the 24 1.4 It's a pretty even split, but don't have the 24 range covered, love the bright aparature and small/light of the new gm. But the 85 for portraiture would replace the 70-200 2.8 I use now, it'd be better for sure but doesn't add to my range, but adds to the quality.
Good review mate. Have you been able to compare this to the Sony 85mm 1.8 please? In New Zealand at the moment, a new Sony 85 1.8 is about 650 usd (1000nzd) and samyang 1.4 is 774 usd (1200 nzd). Wanting to compare really the auto focus speed / reliability and seeing as Sony is cheaper , is it the better overall ? For me 1.4 would be nice to have but not if it’s at the compromise of good low light AF
Hi Dustin. I just got this lens for my canon R6. I tried to update it with the dock. It says version 03 it has now and when I try to update it it says it won’t do it. Is this the latest firmware? I’m having a hard time finding out if I’m doing something wrong and it won’t update or if this new lens already has the latest of “03” on there. Any thoughts? The lens does AF perfectly on the camera but I can’t tell if the IBIS works or not. Thanks for your help
@@DustinAbbottTWI thanks. I gotta say, I’m very impressed with the lens. And I thank you for your help. It was an affordable, nicely fast autofocus lens. I notice the eye detection of the R6 does miss a bit though. It could be because of all the glass it has to move. It’s definitely better than the older 1.2 lens for sure. I appreciate it!
Very good review👍One question. If I use it with Soni a7r iii and put camera to crop mode, what range do I get? Around 200? And is af working normaly in this case?
Samyang gave Sony a good punch in the nose with this lens. Now we just need to see how the Viltrox AF 85mm f/1.8 compares to the Sony 85mm f/1.8. (Officially available for pre-order at B&H for about 2/3 the cost of the Sony lens.)
I bought this lens. overall I liked, But I had 135mm f2.0 rokinon manual lens and this was fantastic, compare this new 85mm, something wrong for me :D first I see rounded, Deformed background blur. in 135mm this was correctly, more sharpness, blur its same, but in 135mm was something more real and pleasing So what do you think compare with 85mm GM, Image quality its allmost same ? maybe I like 135mm for focal length features or samyang 85mm has disadvantages?
Hello Dustin, Thank you very much for the review. I bought a Samyang 85mm F1.4 last week and took out for a shoot on A7III. Samyang is with FW ver3. When I fill the frame vertically for full body shot the EYE AF shows on the screen but when I reviewed the shot, eyes were looking soft at F1.4. Is this because it is a bad AF or it is soft because of f1.4 . I took 173 shots on different perspectives and I had 60% hit rate only. Can you please advise. This is my first telephoto prime AF. I hope you can help
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you for your quick reply. Greatly appreciate your confirmation. Yes I'm within the return period. Maybe it is user error for taking F1.4 for a full body shot that their eyes goes to the edges of the frame?. In the center of the frame it is excellently sharp.
If I didn't already own the 85 1.8 I'd buy this in a heartbeat. Currently the Sony 1.8 is my favorite lens so it would take a lot to get me to let go of it. 1.4 is tempting to say the least. Thanks for a great video series and I can't wait for you to do a shootout if you get to it!! One question: Can you update the Samyang lenses directly on the Sony Body or am I required to buy the docking station? I just found out my 35 is a version behind. BTW I bought the 35 for the same reason you love this one, the bokeh quality. Samyang seems to have bokeh as their main priority as it just melts away backgrounds so buttery smooth.
Hi Carey, glad you are enjoying the lens. I'm working three jobs at the moment while we construct our new facility for our church, and I'm sorry that I just don't have time for any extras.
I like the Sigma, but it is really huge...particularly on smaller Sony bodies (and in the fact that the Sony FE version is actually bigger and heavier than the Canon/Nikon version).
Thanks for the excellent review, Dustin! I think I'll probably get that Samyang. In the past I've looked many times at comparisons between the Sony 85mm f/1.8 and the 85mm GM, and I couldn't convince myself to get the 85mm f/1.8 and didn't want to get the GM. The Samyang seems to be the one to convince me.
Hi Dustin, you mentioned that you are experienced problems with your 85mm 1.4 after a while. Did you reach out to Samyang regarding this? Do you have an idea what caused it? Greetings from Germany, Paul
I suspect it took a bump at some point and the elements go decentered a bit, though I don't recall that actually happening. My contact at Samyang has been slow to provide help, though, which isn't encouraging. A local distributor might be a better bet.
im using a 7 iii as my first camera.as the lenses currently have 35 1.8 sony and 50 1.8 sony.now i have decided to bye 85 mm lens for portrait works.i need weather sealing ,1.4 aperture, good bokeh and better auto focusing with a reasonable price.so i think samyang 85mm 1.4 is the best choice.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks for the answer. I saw your Sigma review and it's a really good lens, but double the price of Samyang. Recently I purchased two Samyang lenses, AF 18 f2.8 and AF 35 f1.4 and I am happy with them, so no need to spend more money on Sigma. The only Sigma lens that I think is a good deal is their 100-400 DN, and it's in my wish list.
I have tried to get one yet nowhere to be found. Some sites just say in 1-2 months. I have decided to get a Sony 85mm f1.8. Any idea when the Samyang will be released? Also just to let you know some of your links don't go to this actual lens. Cheers.
That happens sometimes in the early stages until (Amazon) sites have stock. The links are based on search engine techniques, so they will be good when they have stock.
Dustin, thanks for a great review. I am considering this lens for weddings and my main concern is accurate focusing on static or moving subjects (wedding couple & guests) in low light situations. Thanks, FW
Dustin, You also mention a bit of green glare in certain situations, is there a protective filter for the lens that you would recommend that would reduce or tone down this effect. Thanks, FW
thanks for the review,i buy a tamron 24-70 g2 for canon thanks your review now i have sony a7iii brand new and im not shure if i have to buy 85 gm or a samyang ,im very undecided . The only thing that stop me to buy a gm is the autofocus, is so bad?the color on samyang pictures have a yellow dominant ?please help
I'm comparing the 85mm options (Sony, Samyang, and Sigma F1.4 along with Sony, Batis, and Viltrox 1.8) right now, so stay tuned. I'll start showing comparisons in a few weeks.
@@DustinAbbottTWI hi! Well is good news, thanks for the answer i will stay tuned. You always do a great work with your reviews, i really appreciate. Grazie mille! From Italy
You said they promised to release 04 firmware for 35 1.4 a long time ago. So they're not that good at updating firmware as you mentioned in this video.
Well, the fact that they have had multiple firmware updates does demonstrate an ongoing commitment. There are a number of Sigma or Tamron lenses, for example, that have received one (or even no) firmware updates yet. My comment on V4 was based on a conversation with my contact in Samyang, but I don’t know why that firmware has not been released as of yet. It may come (like the V2 firmware on this lens) after the Sony firmware update on the bodies.
Dustin Abbott yes, but looks like Sigma and Tamron had less issues with autofocus performance. Anyway, thank you for your work. I hope they will release a new firmware for 50 1.4. I really like this lens, but on my a9 it misfocuses a lot if not using the smallest focusing point.
Also, Samyang, just get the lens correct in final form before release. Not encouraging to hear that this lens + the 45 mm, had firmware upgrades not long following release. Why not simply defer releasing lens until you have got the minutiae of the lens construction spot at the time of release. Is this asking too much? I really don't think so.
Hi, loved your video ! You really are one of the best reviewers on YT. I could use a bit of your advice : I have a sony a7riii and I have been using it with vintage lenses so far. I am thinking about buying my first FE glass and I cannot decide on which kit I would go for. I am hesitating between buying the samyang AF 85mm 1.4 + sony 24mm 1.4, or just buying the tamron 28-75 f2.8 for now (better for my wallet haha). What do you think ? (I do mostly street and travel photography)
I would personally start with the Tamron. It is just so good at so many things, and will cover a big chunk of your needs. You can specialize after that.
I've recently got the Sigma 30mm 1.4 on my sony a6400 crop body. I've been thinking about getting the sony 50mm 1.8, (or 85mm) or maybe this 85mm Rokinon AF. The Sigma 56mm 1.4 is of course calling my name because it's a no brainer. I am thinking ahead for when I one day upgrade to a full frame sony body (most likely). nonetheless, I realize there's a big difference between a 50mm and 85mm lens on a crop sensor. but I've thought about skipping the Sigma 56mm and going to a lens that can work on a ff body. so many decisions!!
That is a tough call. I guess it primarily depends on how serious you are about switching to full frame. If you are serious, then this lens is a good route to go.
Price aside, does the Sony 85 f/1.4 focus (much) faster/more accurate that the Samyang (cause I hear that for a first 'party lens' its AF is not that great) and is its IQ on par / only slightly worst or a large IQ gap?
Thanks for doing such a great review! I'm really tied between the Samyang AF 85mm f1.4, and the Sony 85mm f1.8. I like everything about the Samyang, but I like the slightly smaller form factor of the Sony and I've heard the AF is slightly better too. I shoot portraits, weddings, landscapes, and sports, but only part time, and can't really justify purchasing the GM 85mm f1.4. My only real concern is AF speed in AFC shooting for example the bride walking down the isle or her dancing with her father. I just can't miss shots like that, but I want to use the 1.4 instead of my 70-200 2.8 for that extra creamy subject separation. What do you think Dustin?
Watch my 85mm comparison series, and it will probably help you make that decision. I own the Samyang and love it, but the Sony is also a very good lens.
@@DustinAbbottTWI definitely years ago I’d used canon mkii, mkiii and used all the L series primes which were magnificent at the time, however now using the mirrorless system A7iii with a few beautiful vintage lens at f2-2.8 and sigma art lens 2.8 24-70mm and samyang 85mm f1.4 it’s very quick, pulses as you say somewhat in those high contrast areas, though using centre, multi and or flexi focus points certainly reduces that. Not to mention using it in bright day possible shots as it’s only f1.4-16 fitting a good ND2-4 certainly can keep it not only sharp, details but retaining the beautiful portrait photography requirements. Really appreciate your reviews, tips, big fan from Australia
@@DustinAbbottTWI oh,i am only concerned how good video af is compared to tamron 28-75. that is the only thing holding me from buying this. could you help me in that. also your reviews are great and detailed,thumbs up for that.
I like to see how Samyang evolve as a mature lens maker. They implemented autofocus, linear motor, and now weather sealing. So they're now pretty on par with other major 3rd party lens manufacturers in terms of usability, but I hope more. Sigma pursuits optical perfection with their Art series, and Tamron made a good compromise of size , image quality and useful features with their G2 SP primes and FE zooms. I hope Samyang have their unique color. So, highly regard their small, light, slow aperture lens like 35 2.8, 24 2.8, and upcoming 45 1.8. Even though the 35 and 24 has some weaknesses. I hope 45 1.8 made a balanced compromise as this 85 1.4.
Nice work as always, Justin. Thanks from the deep heart.
P.S. Your point about the spherical aberration and the bokeh is valid. Nikon 105 & 135 F2 Defocus Control lens can under-correct and over-correct spherical aberration to achieve soft and busy bokeh in one lens.
Thanks for another incredible review, Dustin! I think you are quite possibly the best lens reviewer on RUclips. Love your thorough and balanced approach to testing lenses. Your reviews let viewers form their own opinions based on the facts you put forth, rather than force a strong opinion on them. Excellent work!
That’s fantastic feedback.
Thank you so much for the trilogy. Your review is one of the best on youtube👍
I’d never thought of it as a trilogy, but that is a good way of describing it.
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Dustin Abbott is better than George Lucas at Trilogy's. His next Trilogy chapters are "Sony: Our New Hope", "Return of the Samyang's" and "The Rise of Tamron".
I can't wait for 2021 when his new Trilogy starts off with a bang called "Nikon Strikes Back".
I bought this lens, along with the 45mm samyang upon watching your reviews. I must say, right now I own the Tamron 28-75, the samyang 45 1.8, the samyang 35 2.8, and this 85 1.4 - and the 85 is the best lens I have ever used. I can't describe it! It feels like driving a Ferrari. It's a step above everything else. There's just something different about it. And the images it produces are amazing. Thank you Dustin!
It's a beautiful lens.
The best review I have ever seen on this lens. Very thorough, all the right critical details and information that’s needed when making a decision. You did a super job on this review! THANK YOU!
My pleasure!
Thanks Dustin, another fine review. You are at the top of the best. Cheers
That's kind, Gerald. Thanks!
Sold my 85 XP Sunday and ordered this! Can't wait!!
Enjoy. I think you'll like it!
As expected. Good review,solid opinion. Opening scene frame i will name it ''Extreeme rule of thirds'' :P
LOL
I was getting bored with the Sigma ART 50mm f/1.4. Good lens, the image quality is there, AF is there, but the 50mm look didn't do it for me, so I started considering my next move. Either save up for the GM 85 (which I've rented before and tested) or the GM 135, or something cheaper... like this.
You, sir, are responsible for my purchase of this lens.
Apart from the lens behaving and delivering images with the qualities you've listed in your review, there is one odd advantage to that lens that I found for myself when shooting an evening event with disgustingly bad lighting. The rule of thumb being "shoot at shutter speed 2x your focal length", I as often as not was getting blurred images with the Sigma even at 1/100s, but with the Samyang, being WAY more comfortable and balanced, I was able to shoot sharp, non blurred images even at 1/30s.
Reviewing the images, I almost thought that Samyang are such good guys that they put IS inside the lens without telling anyone about it, but apparently it's just light and well balanced enough.
AF was tricky, especially in the very bad light, but it was something I could work with, and in better light it behaves as well as I need it to. And considering this is something that can be improved via software, for me this lens easily offers greater price to performance ratio even than the Sony FE 85mm f/1.8.
Once again, your reviews are exceptional, sir, and thank you for bringing them to us.
That's great anecdotal feedback. I'm really glad the lens has turned out well for you.
Excellent review as always, thank you so much! A quick question: I’ve seen other reviews where the lens really struggles with video af, keeps hunting or just completely misses focus. Did you experience anything like that when tracking subjects with afc?
I didn't have that issue, but I didn't try to track a lot of moving subjects in video. I review with primarily stills, not video, in mind.
Nice review, thanks! Just curious, in your image gallery, who took your portraits?
They are self portraits that I took remotely using an app to control the camera (my phone is right out of frame).
Great job!
I'm sold! Just ordered a "well used" one on Adorama for $569 and am hoping it's functionally and optically like new. I'm impressed you didn't encounter the pulsing AF that a Japanese reviewer found even with the latest lens firmware. Actually Samyang admitted on their website that their latest lens firmware (v3.0?) has issues and is no longer being made available until they clear up the issues. At least they're committed to improving things! Thanks again for all your excellent reviews!
Hi Lincoln, you must be referring to the 35mm, not the 85mm. I did note some of the pulsing in AF-C mode in my 35mm review.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Here is what I was referring to:
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@@LincolnWestfall there is pulsing, but only in AF-S (I have fw1.0 only)
great job man appreciate the thorough review
You're welcome.
In your opinion would you rather have sony 85mm 1.8 or the samyang 85mm 1.4 for portrature ?
First of all, I haven't yet tested the Sony 85 1.8 (I plan to do a shootout this summer), but I have a lot of familiarity with 85mm lenses, and I would say the Samyang is almost certainly going to be the more special portrait lens.
Hey Dustin, I commented on your other video and wanted to follow up. So if we're talking real world, I shot a 10 hour wedding yesterday and used this Samyang for a fair number of shots on the A7R3. Overall it performed better than I thought it would when it came to AF. Eye AF performed quite well too and most of my shots were in perfect focus. The color it produced is rich and vibrant, but when you're shooting raw most lenses are fairly similar in that regard these days. Here's my one issue with it that none of your test images show. Yesterday it was pure blue skies here in Jersey, brutal sun at 4pm for the outside ceremony. I have been looking past my canon 85 1.2ii for these outside scenarios because of the fringing and aberration that happens at 1.2. When shooting people at 1.4-2.0 at a distance of about 10-15 feet, there is this aberration that surrounds the subjects heads against lighter backgrounds. It happens a lot, especially when using a cto AD200 as a backlight to create fake sunlight and such. (I'm a huge OCF guy) This is one of my signature looks and always creates stunning imagery. But after using the fringing reduction option in lightroom it leaves this gray outline around their heads sometimes. Not a huge issue but I notice it. Was really hoping this samyang doesn't do that, but sadly it does this same thing as well. So basically it fringes like most 85s, not quite as bad though. Overall I like the lens....still on the fence if I will keep it though. If I didn't have the Canon on MC-11 I would DEF keep it and I recommend it wholeheartedly over the 85GM. It's like 95% of that lens. Thanks for your reviews!
That's great anecdotal feedback. This lens actually has slightly better CA control than a number of 85mm alternatives. I would recommend that (if you keep it), you shoot those type shots at F2.8, which should eliminate essentially all the fringing that you describe. The lens actually does really well with Eye AF (surprisingly so, actually).
@@DustinAbbottTWI So I just wanted to give you a quick followup. So I shot another wedding with this lens, and used the canon 85 1.2 ii as well. As I went through all of the photos afterwards on the 38" 4k monitor, it was clear to me which where which. The canon just provides a look that the Samyang and Sony GM cannot match. Not to be cliche, but they really do have more of a dreamy/artistic look. I ended up returning the Samyang. Shot another wedding this weekend and the Canon performed perfectly all day on the A7Riii. In fact, I don't think I had one single shot out of focus via the MC-11.
Would you choose the Samyang 35, 50 and 85 over the Sigma?
For 35, I'd use Sigma because their weight is similar and have same magnification ratio. But Sigma has way better quality control. Even in my country, the price differnce is about $20 after getting promotion.
For 50 and 85, it depends. If you pursuit the sharpness from corner to coners at wide open, the Art prime excels compared to everything else. And the price is quite reasonable. But they are bulky and heavy and not cheap in absolute term. Samyang lenses have nicer bokeh and cheaper price tag, and it is quite important factors for someone.
I would choose the 85 for sure, possibly the 35, and Sigma for the 50.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you.
@@MrJAM-np7go Thank you
8:38 wow. Every picture I have been in must have had some extreme barrel distortion then. LOLOL
LOL. Nice
I'm also having the Focus Pulsing that Dustin mentions in the video - it only happens in AF-C and does happen when using Eye AF, quite a lot. The camera snaps on to the target, but then starts this nervous pulsing where focus racks back and forth endlessly and never settles. I haven't yet updated the firmware.
Do the firmware updates. They are up to version 4 and the AF is actually quite good now.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you. I should buy the Samyang Dock, just can't bring myself to spend £50 on it
That's the tradeoff, but you may find it worth it...particularly if you end up purchasing other Samyang lenses.
Great review as always and amazing lens.
Thank you!
Thanks Dustin, for this and the other great reviews which are thorough and fact based without bias. I don't know why someone would give you a thumb down.
There are a few haters out there that show up just to do that on each video.
The best review I have ever seen. Very rich in data. Very impressed.
Thank you
Hello Dustin. I have three questions for you. 1 Which would you recommend, Sony FE 35mm F2.8 ZA or the Samyang AF 35mm F1.4 FE? 2 Sony FE 55mm F1.8 ZA or Sony Planar T* FE 50mm f1.4 ZA? 3 Sony FE 85mm F1.8 or Samyang AF 85mm F1.4 FE. I have already watched your videos on these lenses. I look forward to your reply.
I haven’t used the Sony 35mm, so I can’t comment there. I personally really like the Planar 50mm. As for the 85mm lenses - the Sony will deliver better autofocus performance and the Samyang will give you softer bokeh and more separation of your subject from the background.
Thanks fror the review. How would you compare the image quality of this lens with that of the Premium XP 85/1.2? Particularly with regards to overall rendering and OOF blur?
I actually think this lens is fairly close. The F1.2 lens will have the ability to produce greater blur, but you'll have a lot more "nailed" images with this lens.
I received my Rokinon version off of Amazon and tested during a proposal shoot this past weekend. My copy unfortunately had HORRIBLE focus hunting issues in perfect lighting.
A7iii with newest firmware. Never had an issue with my 85 1.8 FE. Sad to say i have to send it back. The shots that did hit focus though were beautiful in comparison to the 1.8.
That's odd, as that hasn't been my issue at all.
Sold the GM and ordered this. I will post my findings after receiving the lens. Planning to put savings into other focal lengths (105 Art, 135 GM).
That's a bold move, but yes, it does give you more money to invest elsewhere.
@@DustinAbbottTWI yes you are right, but I was lucky to sell it without loss after 1 year.
@@DustinAbbottTWI do you have files for fw2.0 upgrade please? Samyang has took them down from their website because of some problems in video AF, but it was supposed to improve photo AF performance. I have my copy of Samyang home now, with fw1 version and tomorrow is a wedding.... Thanks.
I do have the firmware update, but I’m on the road and don’t have access to it at the moment.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I understand. Could you send it to me when you get back, pretty please? :)))
Mine arrives tomorrow woohoo! Thanks for the great review Dustin!
I think you'll really enjoy the lens.
I'm considering buying it - are you enjoying it ?
Thank you for all your lens reviews, they helped me choose which 24-70mm to pick for weddings and events (the Tamron G2). I think I'm choosing this 85mm for my Z6+FTZ adapter, for portraits.
The adapter allows for Sony lenses to be adapted?
No, they make an F mount version for Nikon.
Congrats in advance for reaching 100k, you're almost there :)
I'm really looking forward to hitting that threshold!
Hello brother, Iam a photographer and videographer too. I need to buy 85mm lenses, it should help me to get perfect pictures and videos in Autofocus , is samyang 85mm f1.4 AF lens is better or should I got to other 85mm lenses ? I need a accurate answer brother. Can you help me in this? Iam a wedding filmer and Short film maker from india..
If you priority is video AF, I think I would go with another lens. The Sony 85mm F1.8 might be your best bet.
Hi Dustin. Do you happen to recall whether you tested the autofocus in lower light? Sometimes that is the achilles heel of an otherwise excellent third party lens. Thank you.
I've shot with it in a lot of lighting conditions now and don't recall any complaints.
god~ dustin's reviews are so persuasive! ~! I already purchased a 35mm Samyang after seeing his review, now I'm considering 85mm Samyang. Thank you Mr Dustin. My current favorite go to review channel for Camera gears.
Thanks for the vote of confidence!
have you tested this lens on apsc like the 6500 or 6400? i shoot with apsc (6500) and i am looking to get 85mm lens. its either the sony 85 1.8 or the samyang. which one would you recommend?
It works fine on those cameras. I've shot it a fair bit in crop mode on my a7R3 because it gives a different framing option when shooting an event.
Thanks Dustin! Very insightful and useful!
Glad to hear it
Excellent review Dustin, excited for this lens to arrive.
Hope you enjoy it!
Hi Dustin, Very good video. You have the most comprehensive and detailed review on youtube. Thank you..
May I ask if this lens also works well on older Sony Bodies? A7 A7ii?
That's hard for me to say, as I didn't test it on those bodies.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Oh okay. Thank you.
Thank you, your reviews are great!
You’re welcome
Trying to decide between Samyang and Batis 1.8, do you think the AF and weather seal compares?
I'm comparing the 85mm options (Sony, Samyang, and Sigma F1.4 along with Sony, Batis, and Viltrox 1.8) right now, so stay tuned. I'll start showing comparisons in a few weeks.
Hello again! Great review as always! I'm seriously considering of purchasing this lens. The only thing I'm put off by is some horrible video AF results I've seen in some videos. But they're all more than a year and a half old. Did they adress this with a firmware update or is it still losing focus like crazy on the video side of things? I see that on the photo side it's solid like a rock. Also, congrats on 100K!
There have been a number of firmware updates that have made a lot of improvements. Make sure to get the lens station, and you should be good. I use the RF version of the lens now, and use it for my videos all the time and it is perfect.
Samyang please make this for Fuji X mount and you can have my money. Thanks for the review.
Unfortunately Fuji doesn't seem to really license autofocus algorithms. You pretty much get Fujinon and nothing else (with a few exceptions - Zeiss Touit, I believe)
Dustin Abbott they do make this Len for Fuji.
I am watching this lens review not because I need this lens, just miss Dustin's voice 😀Dustin make some vlogs or talk about your wedding photography experience, please
Thanks, Hristo. It's hard to add more when I'm already pumping out a minimum of 3 videos a week plus working a separate full time job!
Great review Dustin, thanks!
You're welcome.
Hi, Dustin, great review. One question for Samyang Lens. I had one Samyang 35 mm f2.8, I feel the lens has obvious yellow tone by comparing to other lens. Do you see similar yellow tone on the new Samyang AF 85mm F1.4 ?
If you'll look at the community tab (scroll down a bit), I speak on this subject. ruclips.net/channel/UCrmU_ja6Ea7G1RYGfy3zeVAcommunity
Hi Mr Dustin. I wondering after a year, would you still use the samyang or is their a better lens as of today? Did you ever add it in your personal kit?
I did add this lens to my kit, and I still think it's awesome value for money.
Dustin Abbott thank your response. I just picked up one last night after finding a deal I couldn’t say no to. Your video definitely solidified my decision. Your doing an amazing job. Keep up the great work. Have been watching you for a long time, and they informative and detailed. Your Sony 135mm gm video has been making me itching to buy a copy for myself, but for now the 85mm f1.4 is friendlier on my wallet. Have a great day and stay safe.
@@allenlum9622 How is ur copy holding up? Just recently bought one then came across some video pointing out multiple issues!😔
@@shantobalok Sorry to hear about your issues. No things you can look at do you have the latest firmware. If you don’t you will need to buy a dock which is about $70. I only shoot mainly photos, so it focusing is fast for me. To be honest if your mainly using the 85mm for video, I would recommend you sell the samyang and pick up the 85mm f1.8. I think it has the best focusing for video out of all of the 85mm. If you do both, maybe look at the more expensive 85mm, like the new sigma 85mm f1.4 dn dg. I hope this helps.
@@allenlum9622 Thanks a lot for your suggestion. Much appreciated.
I'm really interested in this lens, but I still think Sony 85 1.8 is a good choice also because of the size and weight.
It will continue to be a great option, but for those that want F1.4 this is a great alternative.
I'm so confused between Samyang 85 1.4 and Sony 85 1.8. for a7iii
Is the difference between the two massive?
I prefer going with native sony glass but then f1.4... at this price is just unbeatable...
Can you suggest the best option? Please
I do think the Samyang is a great value and provides more special images...even if the Sony is a bit more practical.
Oh okay... Thank you so much ... Then i guess Samyang it is... 😇 Thank you
Dustin, currently in the UK both the Sony 85mm f1.8 and the Samyang 85mm f1.4 are going to market for £599. When I shoot I tend to look for sharpness of image across frame, contrast and colour rendering more than necessarily needing that f-stop. Would I be better off getting the Sony or should I get the Samyang?
I would personally go Samyang as I feel it is going to give a more "pro" look to images.
Hi Dustin, I am having a hard time to pick the best 85mm lens for my a7iii. What do you say when comes to price and image quality? Would you recommend me to get the Samyang over Sony GM / Sigma 1.4? Thanks in advance!!
I haven't used the GM yet, so I can't comment there. I would personally choose it over the Sigma, as I believe that lens to be too large for practical, everyday use and I like the overall rendering from the Samyang better.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you for your reply. What about the Batis 85mm? When it comepares to the Samyang 85mm. I personally love the Batis colour tone, however I found the batis is too large to carry around, plus it doesnt have optical stabilization and it is abit out of my budget....
I haven't tested the Batis yet, though I will do an 85mm shootout this summer. The Batis does have OSS, though. www.zeiss.com/camera-lenses/int/photography/products/batis-lenses/batis-1885.html
Thank you Dustin.
Thank you Mr Abbott
Hi Dustin, thanks a lot for your review, just a quick question, in terms of Lens formula, is the samyang the same as the Samyang 85mm AF EF for Canon, any recommandation ? (as well compared to the Tamron SP 85mm) ? what's your preferred one ?
It isn't the same optical formula. This is the better lens, I believe. I like the Samyang overall better than the Tamron. The Tamron might be a hair sharper, but the Samyang has really lovely bokeh and I like the overall rendering better.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks for the feedback, here I'm speaking about a Canon Mount (EOS RP) and I would like to invest into a 85mm and don't which one to choose !:-/
Hi Dustin, come back to you , I don't know if you miss my question about the 85mm for an EOSRP mount, which one do you recommend ? thanks again for your precious help.
Waiting for your next videos ;-)
A good value lens in a Canon EF mount (if you have the adapter) is the Tamron 85mm F1.8 VC. You don't have many choices right now in a native RF mount outside of the very expensive RF 85mm F1.2L variants
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks a lot for the feedback, do you already have the opportunity to test the Samyang EF 85mm AF (for Canon EF mount)?
Great job Dustin, I enjoy your reviews, very well done. Ok now with that said . . . I'm about to purchase a 85mm, and trying to make up my mind on one of three. The Sony FE 85mm f/1.8,.. this one here the Samyang AF 85mm f/1.4 and the Tokina ATX-M 85mm f/1.8 FE (I have the Tokina FiRIN 20mm f/2.0 FE MF and I love it). The question that I need to ask is, can I shoot with any or all in a manual mode and not have infinity focus thrown off by .. 'fly or fire by wire' .. like I had happen all the time with a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 crop lens I once had while shooting stars at night. ... I know right now what you are thinking ... I know this (85mm) is first a portrait lens. I shoot landscape mostly and been getting more with time interested in doing portraits. My first love of photography is shooting the stars, Milky Way, Auroras and with foreground/mountains. Besides portraits I wish to use the 85mm set up on my Sony a7s a Equatorial Tracker ... to lower iso, longer exposure, numerous images then stack them in post .. to bring out detail and color of Nebula's. Call me crazy, but thats me. .. Sorry for this being too long, but I think you know what I hope you can help me with. I want one that can shoot in full manual mode besides auto-focus. I am aware that the Sony lens has a AF/MF switch . . . I thank you in advance kind Sir
You can shoot any of these in full manual focus, though all of them will be focus-by-wire.
Dustin do you see yourself reaching for this lens or the 75mm more?
That really depends on what I'm doing. If I'm traveling or need to pack light and compact, the 75mm. If I'm doing a more serious portrait or event session, I might grab the 85mm
Anyone knows if lightroom has raw profile for this lens? Thanks in advance!
It doesn't. There's isn't a huge need for one.
Very detailed review, awesome. I got sony AR7R3 (firmware 3.01) and am thinking to buy this len, but do you know if there is any AF/AFC issue with this len (firmware 0.3) please? thanks
I don't have that combination anymore, but the AF worked fairly well.
Did you broke your samyang 85!! and how? Just curious, saw this on some comment.
Not broke. I think it got decentered a bit through a hit while hiking.
I am still a Canon shooter, trying to decide where to go, and 85mm 1.4 will be a determining factor. From your review I can conclude that this lens seems to balance the traits I look for, reasonable size and weight, balance between sharpness and smoothness in the bokeh. My past experience with Samyang lenses has however left me disappointed with the color reproduction of the lens. How do you find that to be in this lens?
It's not Zeiss-good, but I think the color is good from the lens. Like I said - I really feel the image quality is very solid.
Well said. Thank you Dustin!
Glad to help out.
Putting aside weight and price considerations, what 85mm lens do you love for the special rendering of images, please? What 50-56 mm lens? What 35mm lens? I rely on your comprehensive analysis of lenses, but value equally your unerring ability to go to the heart of their appeal. Ideally, I would prefer lenses that provide a unique, arresting quality over those that are merely sharp and accurate. Many thanks again!
Right now this is one of my favorite 85mm lenses, actually. I like the rendering from it, and think it is a great value.
What about your top choice for 50-56mm, please? And for 35mm? Thank you!
Great review, good honest and helpful. Going to pull the trigger
Enjoy your new lens!
@@DustinAbbottTWI was saving and close to able to get the 24 1.4 GM. Have the 28-75/70-200/50 already, in your opinion would getting the 85 before the 24 be wiser? Portrait/event shooter, but also do quite a bit video/gimble work, hence the 24 1.4
It's a pretty even split, but don't have the 24 range covered, love the bright aparature and small/light of the new gm. But the 85 for portraiture would replace the 70-200 2.8 I use now, it'd be better for sure but doesn't add to my range, but adds to the quality.
Good review mate. Have you been able to compare this to the Sony 85mm 1.8 please? In New Zealand at the moment, a new Sony 85 1.8 is about 650 usd (1000nzd) and samyang 1.4 is 774 usd (1200 nzd). Wanting to compare really the auto focus speed / reliability and seeing as Sony is cheaper , is it the better overall ? For me 1.4 would be nice to have but not if it’s at the compromise of good low light AF
I've got a whole playlist on the subject: ruclips.net/p/PLwWFV2kake9GPZ1d2ZfMH6h5-1LId9-me
Hi Dustin. I just got this lens for my canon R6. I tried to update it with the dock. It says version 03 it has now and when I try to update it it says it won’t do it. Is this the latest firmware? I’m having a hard time finding out if I’m doing something wrong and it won’t update or if this new lens already has the latest of “03” on there. Any thoughts? The lens does AF perfectly on the camera but I can’t tell if the IBIS works or not. Thanks for your help
I think version 03 is the newest. If it working fine, then you should be okay.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thanks. I gotta say, I’m very impressed with the lens. And I thank you for your help. It was an affordable, nicely fast autofocus lens. I notice the eye detection of the R6 does miss a bit though. It could be because of all the glass it has to move. It’s definitely better than the older 1.2 lens for sure. I appreciate it!
Very good review👍One question. If I use it with Soni a7r iii and put camera to crop mode, what range do I get? Around 200? And is af working normaly in this case?
It will correspond to 127.5mm. Easy math - Sony APS-C crop factor is 1.5x
Samyang gave Sony a good punch in the nose with this lens. Now we just need to see how the Viltrox AF 85mm f/1.8 compares to the Sony 85mm f/1.8. (Officially available for pre-order at B&H for about 2/3 the cost of the Sony lens.)
I’ve tested the Viltrox 85 MF version and am waiting to look at the AF version
I bought this lens. overall I liked, But I had 135mm f2.0 rokinon manual lens and this was fantastic, compare this new 85mm, something wrong for me :D first I see rounded, Deformed background blur. in 135mm this was correctly, more sharpness, blur its same, but in 135mm was something more real and pleasing
So what do you think compare with 85mm GM, Image quality its allmost same ?
maybe I like 135mm for focal length features or samyang 85mm has disadvantages?
135mm lenses have a different look than 85mm lenses. I'll be doing an 85mm showdown this summer.
Hello Dustin, Thank you very much for the review. I bought a Samyang 85mm F1.4 last week and took out for a shoot on A7III. Samyang is with FW ver3. When I fill the frame vertically for full body shot the EYE AF shows on the screen but when I reviewed the shot, eyes were looking soft at F1.4. Is this because it is a bad AF or it is soft because of f1.4 . I took 173 shots on different perspectives and I had 60% hit rate only. Can you please advise. This is my first telephoto prime AF. I hope you can help
That's odd, as that isn't my experience at all. If you bought it from a retailer, you might be able to exchange it for another copy
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you for your quick reply. Greatly appreciate your confirmation. Yes I'm within the return period. Maybe it is user error for taking F1.4 for a full body shot that their eyes goes to the edges of the frame?. In the center of the frame it is excellently sharp.
Ahh, that could be. Corners aren't really sharp until F2-2.8.
Hope you can review the new gen of this lens.
Samyang 85mm f1.4 FE mk ii. 🤞🏽
I do hope to, though I've had a hard time getting loaners from Samyang recently.
If I didn't already own the 85 1.8 I'd buy this in a heartbeat. Currently the Sony 1.8 is my favorite lens so it would take a lot to get me to let go of it. 1.4 is tempting to say the least. Thanks for a great video series and I can't wait for you to do a shootout if you get to it!! One question: Can you update the Samyang lenses directly on the Sony Body or am I required to buy the docking station? I just found out my 35 is a version behind. BTW I bought the 35 for the same reason you love this one, the bokeh quality. Samyang seems to have bokeh as their main priority as it just melts away backgrounds so buttery smooth.
Unfortunately you do have to purchase their Lens Station for updates. Good news is that they are distributing them more widely now: bhpho.to/2GPZhwD
Hi Dustin, any update on how the lens performs with the new firmware?
Hi there, this review covers that. I've got both the most recent firmware on the lens and the version 3.0 on the camera.
Hi Dustin love to send you some street results from the lens, bang on your review and it’s focus points centre and zone modes.
Hi Carey, glad you are enjoying the lens. I'm working three jobs at the moment while we construct our new facility for our church, and I'm sorry that I just don't have time for any extras.
Nice review as usual!
I appreciate that
Sigma 85mm is very nice also. Ive not used this one yet. Would be interesting.
I like the Sigma, but it is really huge...particularly on smaller Sony bodies (and in the fact that the Sony FE version is actually bigger and heavier than the Canon/Nikon version).
Thanks for the excellent review, Dustin! I think I'll probably get that Samyang. In the past I've looked many times at comparisons between the Sony 85mm f/1.8 and the 85mm GM, and I couldn't convince myself to get the 85mm f/1.8 and didn't want to get the GM. The Samyang seems to be the one to convince me.
It's a solid choice, and they have already release multiple firmware updates that are bring solid improvements to the autofocus performance.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Yeah, it's good to know! I'm really glad I waited for more options. Thanks again!
Do you think the Sony GM has any serious edge over the Samyang such as rendering overall image, coatings or bokeh? Or sharpness at f1.4?
I have this lens and it's razor sharp at 1.4. This is an absolute steal for the price. No regrets at all buying this lens.
Sharpness wide open definitely no. For other things, it is too soon for me to answer.
Hi Dustin, you mentioned that you are experienced problems with your 85mm 1.4 after a while. Did you reach out to Samyang regarding this? Do you have an idea what caused it? Greetings from Germany, Paul
I suspect it took a bump at some point and the elements go decentered a bit, though I don't recall that actually happening. My contact at Samyang has been slow to provide help, though, which isn't encouraging. A local distributor might be a better bet.
im using a 7 iii as my first camera.as the lenses currently have 35 1.8 sony and 50 1.8 sony.now i have decided to bye 85 mm lens for portrait works.i need weather sealing ,1.4 aperture, good bokeh and better auto focusing with a reasonable price.so i think samyang 85mm 1.4 is the best choice.
That sounds good to me.
@@DustinAbbottTWI appreciate for the reply.
does using a good PL filter with a lens hood help at all with the green color fringing CA?
Not really. That's an optical issue that a filter can't solve. Frankly, though, the amount of CA on this lens is really minimal.
Great review man - thx very much
You’re welcome
This vs the Sony 80 1.8 which is sharper ? At 1.8? Just wondering because I’m new to Sony and need a 85mm but stuck between this and the Sony 1.8 ;(
If you'll watch my 85mm shootout series (particularly this episode: bit.ly/85Showdown3) you can get all the answers you're looking for.
Hi Dustin, How is the AF with subjects in Motion not sports and action but slow to mild day to day motion.
I've had no problems for stills. I haven't really tested video in that scenario.
fantastic.... better get my pre-order in..
Good luck on getting a copy sooner rather than later.
This one or Sony 85 F1.8 ? Both lenses are in the same price range. I am mainly interested in bokeh and I think 1.4 is better in that regard.
The Samyang does have nicer bokeh. The Sigma 85mm F1.4 DN is also a great choice.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks for the answer. I saw your Sigma review and it's a really good lens, but double the price of Samyang. Recently I purchased two Samyang lenses, AF 18 f2.8 and AF 35 f1.4 and I am happy with them, so no need to spend more money on Sigma. The only Sigma lens that I think is a good deal is their 100-400 DN, and it's in my wish list.
I have tried to get one yet nowhere to be found. Some sites just say in 1-2 months. I have decided to get a Sony 85mm f1.8. Any idea when the Samyang will be released? Also just to let you know some of your links don't go to this actual lens. Cheers.
That happens sometimes in the early stages until (Amazon) sites have stock. The links are based on search engine techniques, so they will be good when they have stock.
Dustin, thanks for a great review. I am considering this lens for weddings and my main concern is accurate focusing on static or moving subjects (wedding couple & guests) in low light situations. Thanks, FW
After the firmware updates, I find it a very reliable lens. I like it a lot.
Dustin, You also mention a bit of green glare in certain situations, is there a protective filter for the lens that you would recommend that would reduce or tone down this effect. Thanks, FW
It's not really a real world factor. I'm not a big fan of protective filters, personally. They often introduce more optical compromises.
thanks for the review,i buy a tamron 24-70 g2 for canon thanks your review now i have sony a7iii brand new and im not shure if i have to buy 85 gm or a samyang ,im very undecided . The only thing that stop me to buy a gm is the autofocus, is so bad?the color on samyang pictures have a yellow dominant ?please help
I'm comparing the 85mm options (Sony, Samyang, and Sigma F1.4 along with Sony, Batis, and Viltrox 1.8) right now, so stay tuned. I'll start showing comparisons in a few weeks.
@@DustinAbbottTWI hi! Well is good news, thanks for the answer i will stay tuned. You always do a great work with your reviews, i really appreciate. Grazie mille! From Italy
Any plans on reviewing the Rokinon 85mm 1.4 AF for Canon?
I’m somewhat reliant on Samyang/Rokinon to send me loaners, so if you strongly want that to happen, let Samyang know.
You said they promised to release 04 firmware for 35 1.4 a long time ago. So they're not that good at updating firmware as you mentioned in this video.
Well, the fact that they have had multiple firmware updates does demonstrate an ongoing commitment. There are a number of Sigma or Tamron lenses, for example, that have received one (or even no) firmware updates yet. My comment on V4 was based on a conversation with my contact in Samyang, but I don’t know why that firmware has not been released as of yet. It may come (like the V2 firmware on this lens) after the Sony firmware update on the bodies.
Dustin Abbott yes, but looks like Sigma and Tamron had less issues with autofocus performance.
Anyway, thank you for your work. I hope they will release a new firmware for 50 1.4. I really like this lens, but on my a9 it misfocuses a lot if not using the smallest focusing point.
Tamron, yes, though there are a number of Sigma lenses that still have major focus accuracy lenses.
Also, Samyang, just get the lens correct in final form before release. Not encouraging to hear that this lens + the 45 mm, had firmware upgrades not long following release.
Why not simply defer releasing lens until you have got the minutiae of the lens construction spot at the time of release.
Is this asking too much? I really don't think so.
Hi, loved your video ! You really are one of the best reviewers on YT. I could use a bit of your advice :
I have a sony a7riii and I have been using it with vintage lenses so far. I am thinking about buying my first FE glass and I cannot decide on which kit I would go for. I am hesitating between buying the samyang AF 85mm 1.4 + sony 24mm 1.4, or just buying the tamron 28-75 f2.8 for now (better for my wallet haha). What do you think ? (I do mostly street and travel photography)
I would personally start with the Tamron. It is just so good at so many things, and will cover a big chunk of your needs. You can specialize after that.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you for advice! I'll go with the tamron and start saving up for the 24 and 85 in the meantime.
Great stuff. Very happy with mine.
Glad to hear it.
Thanks sir. I’ll be picking one up.
Enjoy your new lens.
Thank you. Your batting 1000 with me all your lens u liked I bought and love.
Do you have any idea where to download Samyang AF 85mm f1.4 Auto Focus Lens update for Nikon F Mount Cameras
In theory, that would be here: www.samyanglens.com/en/support/support-download.php?type=3&model=NIKONF. I don't see any updates for it, though.
I've recently got the Sigma 30mm 1.4 on my sony a6400 crop body. I've been thinking about getting the sony 50mm 1.8, (or 85mm) or maybe this 85mm Rokinon AF. The Sigma 56mm 1.4 is of course calling my name because it's a no brainer. I am thinking ahead for when I one day upgrade to a full frame sony body (most likely). nonetheless, I realize there's a big difference between a 50mm and 85mm lens on a crop sensor. but I've thought about skipping the Sigma 56mm and going to a lens that can work on a ff body. so many decisions!!
That is a tough call. I guess it primarily depends on how serious you are about switching to full frame. If you are serious, then this lens is a good route to go.
Superb review, I'm going to get this one
Enjoy!
Thank you for your insight!
You’re welcome.
Price aside, does the Sony 85 f/1.4 focus (much) faster/more accurate that the Samyang (cause I hear that for a first 'party lens' its AF is not that great) and is its IQ on par / only slightly worst or a large IQ gap?
You need to watch my comparison series here on RUclips. There's an episode that breaks down AF in detail.
Dustin Abbott tnx, although I’m subscribed and have the alert on this video escaped me. Fantastic work. I think I’ll go with the Sam:-)
I can't give you enough likes so I will just subscribe! Awesome review and references!
Welcome aboard!
Just got mine, fantastic lens, it's a bargain!
It absolutely is.
thank you. keep posting...
That's the plan
Thanks for doing such a great review!
I'm really tied between the Samyang AF 85mm f1.4, and the Sony 85mm f1.8.
I like everything about the Samyang, but I like the slightly smaller form factor of the Sony and I've heard the AF is slightly better too.
I shoot portraits, weddings, landscapes, and sports, but only part time, and can't really justify purchasing the GM 85mm f1.4.
My only real concern is AF speed in AFC shooting for example the bride walking down the isle or her dancing with her father.
I just can't miss shots like that, but I want to use the 1.4 instead of my 70-200 2.8 for that extra creamy subject separation.
What do you think Dustin?
Watch my 85mm comparison series, and it will probably help you make that decision. I own the Samyang and love it, but the Sony is also a very good lens.
Just got this really enjoying it so far
It's a lot of lens for the money.
@@DustinAbbottTWI definitely years ago I’d used canon mkii, mkiii and used all the L series primes which were magnificent at the time, however now using the mirrorless system A7iii with a few beautiful vintage lens at f2-2.8 and sigma art lens 2.8 24-70mm and samyang 85mm f1.4 it’s very quick, pulses as you say somewhat in those high contrast areas, though using centre, multi and or flexi focus points certainly reduces that. Not to mention using it in bright day possible shots as it’s only f1.4-16 fitting a good ND2-4 certainly can keep it not only sharp, details but retaining the beautiful portrait photography requirements.
Really appreciate your reviews, tips, big fan from Australia
have you tested the lens with new 3.0 lens firmware?
Yes I have, and for portrait and event work it basically doesn't miss. I haven't tested it for action yet.
@@DustinAbbottTWI oh,i am only concerned how good video af is compared to tamron 28-75. that is the only thing holding me from buying this. could you help me in that. also your reviews are great and detailed,thumbs up for that.
The Tamron might still be a little better (less micropulsing in AF-C mode), but not by much. This is a very good focusing lens.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thank u for the reply.i use tamron for weddings without any issue.i hope this compliments it well