Very detailed comparison. I recommend to watch for everyone who considers buying an 85 for Sony full frame. A comparison of these 2 with the Sony 1.4 and 1.8 85mms would be fascinating to watch!
My sigma 85 f1.4 art is my most used and my favourite lens in my bag. Other lenses I own 16-35GM 24-70GM mkii 70-200 f2.8 GM mkii and 35 f1.8. The only downside as you mentioned to the sigma is the size in the bag
Hey, for the zoom lens users with f2.8 at 85mm, I wanted to ask if the difference between the two apertures (f1.4 vs f2.8) is noticeable or significant? I haven't tested myself- that's why I'd like to hear from you but I'm wondering if the inherent separation you get from the 85mm focal length makes the difference in aperture less significant. Is the background separation to a point where it makes the difference in aperture unnoticeable? And other things I'm curious about are: what about the differences between f2.8 vs f1.8 in relation to f1.4 at 85mm? Does anything change/the difference become less noticeable at 135mm? Looking forward to your review of them 135mm samyang! Thanks! 😊
I’ve been published in over 20 magazines and the 85 1.4 is by far my most used lens and I can tell you flat out that the difference between even 2.0 and 2.8 is pretty significant at 85mm I was rarely higher than 2.5. Where are you really see the difference is closer subjects. You put a subject Justin vocal range and if you’re at 1.8 it’s going to be something that makes everyone’s jaw drop that sees the photo right out of the camera. You can sometimes get that with 2.8 but the background hasta be really really far away
Thanks, nice comparison. Do you have any take on the autofocus performance on these two? Which one focuses faster and which is more precise (with Face/Eye-AF)?
Hi Dustin, thank you for the video and the comparison. I am shooting with a borrowed Sigma. I am noticing a very minor purple fringing at f1.4 but it is hardly noticeable and easily correctable. I had to return a Samyang 135 f1.8 because of possible de-centering in one of the elements. This caused the images to have a ghost effect. I am noticing the same with the 85 Samyang in your test. It is a lot less than what I saw in the 135 but it seems to be of similar look. I thought the resolution may be dead even between the two 85 lenses, but from this video at least, the Sigma is the winner by a good margin. Your test target is fantastic. It tells a lot about a lens. Combined with real world outdoor shots, we get a complete picture. Thank you for doing these videos.
Samyang just don't have the same level of quality like Sigma or Sony, not yet. It just a cheaper gateway to bright prime lenses previously out of reach for most consumers. I love my Samyang 75mm F1.8, it's not the best quality lens in the world but it's so campact and affordable and fun to use.
I think what you were calling a ghosting effect in my video is just lower contrast than what the Sigma produces. To be fair, however, the Sigma has exceptional contrast for an 85 mm lens
@@oscarshen6855 I agree. We need lower priced alternatives even if the y are not perfect in construction quality. I think at the end of the day, glass is the most important part. That is why I chose all Tamron line up for my A7RIV. I have an exceptional hi-res sensor and I am able to produce very high quality images with the help of Tamron lenses.
Another thing to point out is that in most comparison shots with the same settings the Samyang appears to be slightly darker at 1.4, about 1/3 of a stop.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I would say that it is slightly darker in the center even stopped down. I just bought the Sigma a couple of days ago on Aliexpress. It was being sold at about the same price as the new Samyang on their black friday so it was a no-brainer for me.
Thanks Dustin, another of your great comparisons. FYI, I do own the Sigma Art 85mm f1.4 DG DN for my Sony A1, A7RIV, A7SIII, but the Samyang seems very good and for less money, a real alternative choice for many. Cheers
Interesting comparison! Do you have any thoughts on the long term reliability of modern SY lenses? Their past reputation for that wasn't great, has it improved? A lot?
Excellent as always…super useful! You did not hit on Autofocus…which one would you choose to shoot high school indoor volleyball or basketball on Sony A1/A9? Thanks in advance.
I literally found zero difference in the auto focus performance side-by-side with these lenses. One is is as accurate as the other. If you want more info you can find my testing of auto focus in my review of both lenses
I own the Sigma Art 85mm f1.4 DG DN and I was waiting for the AF speed and accuracy comparison. I think that this is also where Sigma wins. Otherwise it is a very good comparison :)
@dustinabbott what are your thoughts on the sigma 85mm vs tamron 35-150 f2-2.8 lens in terms of image quality as i may change over to have more range.. never had a zoom before, only primes
Is it me or does the Samyang colors just looked muted? Photo always looks slightly Darker then Sigma in the portrait side by side. Also skin tones on the Samyang look slightly off, just dull. I really wanted this Samyang but I dislike lens with weird color shift, I know it can be fixed in post but to a certain extent. I like lenses that give you a nice color Base to start from.
I actually thought that the colors were very similar between the lenses - I noted in my review that Samyang seems to have less of a warm tone to it than in times past.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I rewatch the video I see what you mean, I guess it's the warmer tone of the Sigma that's making it more pleasing to my eye. Samyang is currently Having a 20% off sale making the 85mm 1.4 $639.20 thats a great value, consider the Sony 85mm 1.8 is $598. But I'm also waiting on a Review for the New 75mm 1.9T cine V-AF lens. These 3 lenses are my current debate 🤔.
Thanks for the detailed comparison, also the one RF 85 1.2 vs the Samyang RF 85 1.4. That’s interesting, the pin cushion distortion of the Sigma at 7:37. Back in time I purchased the F-mount version of the Sigma 85 1.4 DG HSM Art (the big heavy beast, well it’s obviously a total other construction as the DN version ) it has zero distortion, zero diffraction, high resolution, on the 45 megapixel D850 razor blade sharp.
I'm a bit of a sigma fanboy and have owned 4 different sigma lenses but I think I would actually grab the Samyang/Rokinon over the sigma in this case. I don't think you can really beat the performance for the price and some of the shortcomings compared to the sigma can be fixed in post. What I'm wondering though, is if there is another budget option that can compete with these 2? And which 85mm lens would you go with in this price range?
Hi Dustin, thanks for the comparison review, they both sound great. You mention the functionality through the docking station, I use the Sigma docking station for other Sigma lenses, is it’s use more limited on the 85mn? Thanks.
Great comparison and really helpful giving insights on both lenses. I am currently weighing out between them as a portrait lens. I do have the impression that the Sigma performs better in the center. Whereas Samyang's strength lays more towards the sides of the images. Currently leaning towards the Sigma because of that impression that I have. Already owning a couple of sigma's and happy with them (24-70 dg dn, 35mm 1.4 dg dn and a 14-24 dg dn). I do see the 85 as a great go to allrounder for portraiture on top of the 35mm. On the other hand, the price difference is big enough to consider the Samyang, as the quality difference isn't as big as the price difference and is mainly to be found in build quality it seems.
People mostly buy this type of lens for widest open. So I think they both have better aspect than another. Now it comes to what we are looking for @f1.4
It's really a question of which rendering one prefers. I have the later samyang cine mf lens & really like its rendering which has been further improved in this later lens - along with design - build & weight - MFD which is tailored to the mirrorless. Coming from a MF background I find the samyang lenses to be more optically corrected rather than what sigma is doing with more software corrections. I do think that the samyang gives a lot of value & one can make ones own profiles. There are now so many lenses in this medium telephoto category for the E mount. I tend to use the sigma 90mm 2.8 for a lot of work as it is so compact & has a far better MFD. And it has the sigma contrast & design. However the samyang gives the best weight-aperture combination.
The 90mm f2.8 is underrated. I already have a 70-200mm f2.8 but sometimes I don't want to lug it around, so a compact telephoto would be a nice option to have.
@@mrmonday42 I agree - its a very nice lens to use & fits into a pocket or small pouch. I also have the sony 90mm macro but take it out very rarely now. I think the advantage of mirrorless is that one can have lighter more compact lenses
Interesting... during the 2022 Black Friday/Cyber Monday season, Samyang on their own USA website increased the MSRP from $799 to $919 USD, and then gave 20% off these lenses, which results in a $735 selling price or actual 8% discount from their official $799 MSRP. If they didn't artificially increase the price and gave the 20% discount, the resulting discounted price would be $639 which is almost half of the Sigma.
I knew I wasn't crazy... Nov 17th 2022 it was 920$CAD and now it is 1128$CAD like wtf?! There is no way it is worth it now at the current price increase, like if the price gap gets too close of the Sigma on sale, I guess I'd rather just spend a bit more to get the Sigma which is either 1200$ on Amazon without warranty or 1400$ with 7 years warranty from an authorized Canadian dealer. Still have to remember Samyang is only 1 year of warranty, that's worth mentionning and considering into the price as well. EDIT: I just bought the Sigma at my local store along 2 other Sigma lens with their big sales until the next week. Had an additional 50$ discount from the store over the manufacturer sales which is like 4% so I guess it's fair.
I started out with the Samyang 85mm f1.4 v1 when I switched to Sony cameras. I was super happy with it but I wanted to save up for the Sony 85mm GM and I was not impressed with it when I finally bought it. It was barely sharper than the v1 Samyang and it was loud focusing. So I sent the Sony GM back and kept using the Samyang. Then hearing everyone talking how good the new sigma 85mm f1.4 dg DN was I picked it up and wow it’s really sharp, tracks focus quicker and it’s sticky with the eyes. So I have been really impressed with the sigma 85mm. But still can’t say nothing bad about Samyang
When I looks at your son photo. in term of Saturation. I think @f1.4 , Samyang is more pop. I would say @f1.4 , The sigma image looks sharper. But when it comes to the chart comparison, I agree witth you though.
My biggest problem with samyang is there Af accuracy/consistency although the 24mm f1.8 is an outstanding lens with no issues in AF performance, superb review 👍📷
For me Sigma looks better in all comparisons until it goes over f2.8. Then it's equal. Funny enough, I though the Samyang mark 1 had better bokeh. This time the Sigma looks better than Samyang II. You can see on the full body portrait that the Samyang has colors bleeding in to the white logo, Sigma handles it way better.
this samyang is a very interesting lens, but so is the 135mm, if the 135 had this weight I would probably prefer that one also because I have an 85mm…..I think that the system needs a new 135 of about 500g or less, even at the cost of a smaller max aperture…
I have seen very few modern 135 mm lenses that are incredibly compact or that have smaller maximum aperture. It seems like the trend is toward larger maximum aperture rather than smaller
Thank you for this video! Supposedly Samyang 135mm is very good. Any chance you will be reviewing it? :) p.s. Recently I bought a Sigma 14-24 DG DN for my a7RIII, based on your reviews. Probably the best lens I have ever owned. I can't afford any GM and I cannot really justify spending so much on a lens as an enthusiast. But I have to admit, that this Sigma absolutely exceeded my expectations, so thank you very much for your work!
Buy Sigma but not the DN Buy the original DG. Very little difference in performance but hugely different in size and weight. The deal breaker? Sigma used but as new is half the price and will fit via adaptor to both FX and Z mount but the DN is stuck to just mirrorless.
Wow, I really disagree, but primarily because of that size and weight issue. I've also done many comparison tests, and autofocus isn't nearly as good via adapter when compared to the DN version, which is pretty much flawless.
@@joakimolsson1024 Not sure how it is relevant to post process ... we are talking about lens sharpness ... otherwise people should pay much less and settle down on low IQ lens, although sometimes we might prefer low sharpness for portraits of certain people ...
@@joakimolsson1024 If you like SY that's fine, but Samyang's sharpness is not good enough based on this review and pictures. I still have SY 35F1.4, same "issue" pretty much plus more distortion.
I actually think the Samsung night be slightly better wide open for me for portraiture in particular. Higher contrast wide open isn't better for everything. I also like that it's so well corrected optically. It's pretty negligible because..... Well post-processing. The detail actually really is there on both of them.
Thanks for the comparison. Even on RUclips it’s clear the signs is the superior rendering. I appreciate it may not dominate on any category, but even on an iPhone 13 max the pop from the increased contrast was immediate. But 40% more (and the Samsung can likely be found on sale) - that’s a really tough call and ultimate is buy on budget ….except the No profile thing. Son of a gun! 1.8 here I come. 😊
Watching this I’m like “yeah, sigma is resolving better, should go with it”, just to put it on my 20 something mp A72 and put some cheap K&F filters over it. I’m a bit of an idiot am I?! 😅
I shot both lenses side-by-side during portrait sessions and saw zero difference in auto focus. I do have some coverage of mild sport tracking with both lenses in their individual review
I have to agree with Danny. Samyang is a South Korean company and Sigma is a Japanese company; it stands to reason that they manufacture their products in their own countries.
Very detailed comparison. I recommend to watch for everyone who considers buying an 85 for Sony full frame. A comparison of these 2 with the Sony 1.4 and 1.8 85mms would be fascinating to watch!
Fair enough, though unfortunately I don't have access to the 85mm.
Yeah, pleas give us more of these comparisons! it would be awesome! The new Tamron 50-400 vs the GM? The Samyang 135 vs GM? and so on 🙃
Please make 50-400 and gm 100-400, I am literally chosing between the 2
I do plan to do one comparing the Samyang 135 mm with the GM 135 mm, as I own the GM lens
Sony sharper in the very center, Samyang sharper everywhere else. AF better on Sony.
My sigma 85 f1.4 art is my most used and my favourite lens in my bag. Other lenses I own 16-35GM 24-70GM mkii 70-200 f2.8 GM mkii and 35 f1.8. The only downside as you mentioned to the sigma is the size in the bag
It is definitely a nice lens.
I feel like the Sigma has that 3D pop that the Samyang lacked in those portrait shots
The Sigma definitely has more pop in terms of contrast
Hey, for the zoom lens users with f2.8 at 85mm, I wanted to ask if the difference between the two apertures (f1.4 vs f2.8) is noticeable or significant?
I haven't tested myself- that's why I'd like to hear from you but I'm wondering if the inherent separation you get from the 85mm focal length makes the difference in aperture less significant. Is the background separation to a point where it makes the difference in aperture unnoticeable?
And other things I'm curious about are: what about the differences between f2.8 vs f1.8 in relation to f1.4 at 85mm?
Does anything change/the difference become less noticeable at 135mm?
Looking forward to your review of them 135mm samyang!
Thanks! 😊
There is a significant difference in depth of field at F1.4 vs F2.8, as that represents two whole stops.
I’ve been published in over 20 magazines and the 85 1.4 is by far my most used lens and I can tell you flat out that the difference between even 2.0 and 2.8 is pretty significant at 85mm I was rarely higher than 2.5. Where are you really see the difference is closer subjects. You put a subject Justin vocal range and if you’re at 1.8 it’s going to be something that makes everyone’s jaw drop that sees the photo right out of the camera. You can sometimes get that with 2.8 but the background hasta be really really far away
Thanks, nice comparison. Do you have any take on the autofocus performance on these two? Which one focuses faster and which is more precise (with Face/Eye-AF)?
I used them side by side in portrait settings and frankly didn't see one bit of difference.
Hi Dustin, thank you for the video and the comparison. I am shooting with a borrowed Sigma. I am noticing a very minor purple fringing at f1.4 but it is hardly noticeable and easily correctable.
I had to return a Samyang 135 f1.8 because of possible de-centering in one of the elements. This caused the images to have a ghost effect. I am noticing the same with the 85 Samyang in your test. It is a lot less than what I saw in the 135 but it seems to be of similar look. I thought the resolution may be dead even between the two 85 lenses, but from this video at least, the Sigma is the winner by a good margin. Your test target is fantastic. It tells a lot about a lens. Combined with real world outdoor shots, we get a complete picture. Thank you for doing these videos.
Samyang just don't have the same level of quality like Sigma or Sony, not yet. It just a cheaper gateway to bright prime lenses previously out of reach for most consumers. I love my Samyang 75mm F1.8, it's not the best quality lens in the world but it's so campact and affordable and fun to use.
I think what you were calling a ghosting effect in my video is just lower contrast than what the Sigma produces. To be fair, however, the Sigma has exceptional contrast for an 85 mm lens
@@DustinAbbottTWI Indeed the Sigma has the better contrast. In your videos, the sharpness difference is noticeable too. Thanks.
@@oscarshen6855 I agree. We need lower priced alternatives even if the y are not perfect in construction quality. I think at the end of the day, glass is the most important part. That is why I chose all Tamron line up for my A7RIV. I have an exceptional hi-res sensor and I am able to produce very high quality images with the help of Tamron lenses.
Another thing to point out is that in most comparison shots with the same settings the Samyang appears to be slightly darker at 1.4, about 1/3 of a stop.
Do remember that the Sigma is getting profile correction in software at this point and the Samyang isn't yet. The two lenses metered identically.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I would say that it is slightly darker in the center even stopped down. I just bought the Sigma a couple of days ago on Aliexpress. It was being sold at about the same price as the new Samyang on their black friday so it was a no-brainer for me.
Thanks Dustin, another of your great comparisons. FYI, I do own the Sigma Art 85mm f1.4 DG DN for my Sony A1, A7RIV, A7SIII, but the Samyang seems very good and for less money, a real alternative choice for many. Cheers
Both lenses are really strong, and present two good options for the market
Interesting comparison! Do you have any thoughts on the long term reliability of modern SY lenses? Their past reputation for that wasn't great, has it improved? A lot?
I’ve been using some of their lenses for over three years at this point without issue, so I feel like they are improved
Thanks for the comparison. What about the video continuous autofocus? Thanks.
Excellent as always…super useful! You did not hit on Autofocus…which one would you choose to shoot high school indoor volleyball or basketball on Sony A1/A9? Thanks in advance.
I literally found zero difference in the auto focus performance side-by-side with these lenses. One is is as accurate as the other. If you want more info you can find my testing of auto focus in my review of both lenses
@@DustinAbbottTWI thanks for your time!
Really enjoying my Sigma, however, if I didn't already own it, I might go for the Samyang because I'm loving the Samyang 135.
I’m looking forward to reviewing the Samyang 135 mm. It’s on my schedule for later this month
I own the Sigma Art 85mm f1.4 DG DN and I was waiting for the AF speed and accuracy comparison. I think that this is also where Sigma wins. Otherwise it is a very good comparison :)
I literally found zero difference in the auto focus performance side-by-side with these lenses. One is is as accurate and fast as the other
Deff doesn't the seen the same to me
Do you have the samyang 135 1.8 yet? Eager to see the results!
My review will come in a couple of weeks, but you can see photos already here: bit.ly/AF135pics
In both which lens is gud in budget and tel me also that what is the quality difference between tha ef and rf lens
@dustinabbott what are your thoughts on the sigma 85mm vs tamron 35-150 f2-2.8 lens in terms of image quality as i may change over to have more range.. never had a zoom before, only primes
Is it me or does the Samyang colors just looked muted? Photo always looks slightly Darker then Sigma in the portrait side by side. Also skin tones on the Samyang look slightly off, just dull. I really wanted this Samyang but I dislike lens with weird color shift, I know it can be fixed in post but to a certain extent. I like lenses that give you a nice color Base to start from.
I actually thought that the colors were very similar between the lenses - I noted in my review that Samyang seems to have less of a warm tone to it than in times past.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I rewatch the video I see what you mean, I guess it's the warmer tone of the Sigma that's making it more pleasing to my eye.
Samyang is currently Having a 20% off sale making the 85mm 1.4 $639.20 thats a great value, consider the Sony 85mm 1.8 is $598. But I'm also waiting on a Review for the New 75mm 1.9T cine V-AF lens. These 3 lenses are my current debate 🤔.
Comparisons like this are very helpful
I’m glad it was helpful
Awesome comparison with tons of thorough details, thanks a lot !
My pleasure.
does sumyung mark 2 provide warm color like the previous version?
No, I feel like the color is more neutral.
Thanks for the detailed comparison, also the one RF 85 1.2 vs the Samyang RF 85 1.4. That’s interesting, the pin cushion distortion of the Sigma at 7:37. Back in time I purchased the F-mount version of the Sigma 85 1.4 DG HSM Art (the big heavy beast, well it’s obviously a total other construction as the DN version ) it has zero distortion, zero diffraction, high resolution, on the 45 megapixel D850 razor blade sharp.
The tradeoff for reducing the size of the Sigma was the pincushion distortion.
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I'm a bit of a sigma fanboy and have owned 4 different sigma lenses but I think I would actually grab the Samyang/Rokinon over the sigma in this case. I don't think you can really beat the performance for the price and some of the shortcomings compared to the sigma can be fixed in post. What I'm wondering though, is if there is another budget option that can compete with these 2? And which 85mm lens would you go with in this price range?
I currently own the Sigma and I'm happy with it, but at the moment I'm not sure there are better value options than one of these.
Dustin, any dust issues with your Sigmas after owning them for a while?
I haven't had issues with mine, but I don't live in an extremely dusty place, either.
Hi, bro, can the same lens be used on a Canon 5D Mark III full frame body?
Unfortunately no. These will only work on mirrorless cameras.
I'd normally choose the Samyang due to the overall better optical design, but the lack of an aperture ring puts me off a bit.
Fair enough.
Hi Dustin, thanks for the comparison review, they both sound great. You mention the functionality through the docking station, I use the Sigma docking station for other Sigma lenses, is it’s use more limited on the 85mn? Thanks.
I don't think that Sigma actually sells a usb dock for Sony E-mount lenses.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Ah okay, didn’t realise, I use L mount. Thanks Dustin. I guess once you’re, meaning me, in a system it’s to easy to be blinkered.
I have the Sigma 85 DG DN E mount with Megadap ETZ21 for my Z6. It is spendid.
It is a splendid lens.
Great comparison and really helpful giving insights on both lenses. I am currently weighing out between them as a portrait lens. I do have the impression that the Sigma performs better in the center. Whereas Samyang's strength lays more towards the sides of the images. Currently leaning towards the Sigma because of that impression that I have. Already owning a couple of sigma's and happy with them (24-70 dg dn, 35mm 1.4 dg dn and a 14-24 dg dn). I do see the 85 as a great go to allrounder for portraiture on top of the 35mm. On the other hand, the price difference is big enough to consider the Samyang, as the quality difference isn't as big as the price difference and is mainly to be found in build quality it seems.
I own the Sigma and really like it.
do you have sirui sniper 56mm crop 1.2 vs samyang 1.4 85mm ii full frame???
More videos like this please
I do have a fair number of them at this point
Great review as always, Dustin, and a valuable comparison.
You’re welcome
I know both the Samyang 85/1.4ii and Sony 85/1.8 have fringing in backlit portraits, so that might be an advantage to Sigma if it doesn’t
I'd said there is a bit less fringing.
I agree with the other commenters; this is such a helpful review 😎👍👍
Glad to hear it!
Wow, great video Dustin, I think the sigma takes the winner for more clarity and sharpness that you can see when directly compared
That's fair.
Have you reviewed the Samyang 85 MM Canon EF mount?
I didn't, though it is a different lens optically (not as good) as the subsequent releases on Sony.
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Thanks, that's what I needed to know, as I want this range and speed for astro. Have 3 Sigma Art, and 2 Rokinon.
Great comparison! I've been after the Sigma, but on the used market (at least where I live), the Samyang is almost half the price of the Sigma!
That's a big difference!
hi Dustin, is there any chance you can compare Samyang 35mm 1.8 vs Samyang Cine 35mm T1.9 THANKS
I'm really hoping to look at the Cine line after I finish up the 135mm F1.8 and 35mm F1.4 II
How does the samyang 85mm 1.4 mk2 compare against the Sony 85mm 1.8?
I personally would choose the Samyang for the ability to more richly blur out the backgrounds.
People mostly buy this type of lens for widest open. So I think they both have better aspect than another. Now it comes to what we are looking for @f1.4
That's fair.
It's really a question of which rendering one prefers. I have the later samyang cine mf lens & really like its rendering which has been further improved in this later lens - along with design - build & weight - MFD which is tailored to the mirrorless. Coming from a MF background I find the samyang lenses to be more optically corrected rather than what sigma is doing with more software corrections. I do think that the samyang gives a lot of value & one can make ones own profiles. There are now so many lenses in this medium telephoto category for the E mount. I tend to use the sigma 90mm 2.8 for a lot of work as it is so compact & has a far better MFD. And it has the sigma contrast & design. However the samyang gives the best weight-aperture combination.
Some valid points here
The 90mm f2.8 is underrated. I already have a 70-200mm f2.8 but sometimes I don't want to lug it around, so a compact telephoto would be a nice option to have.
@@mrmonday42 I agree - its a very nice lens to use & fits into a pocket or small pouch. I also have the sony 90mm macro but take it out very rarely now. I think the advantage of mirrorless is that one can have lighter more compact lenses
That lense is for canon o Sony
Just Sony, unfortunately.
I looking for a lense similar like that for a canon r8
Much needed,...thanks for such👍
My pleasure
Interesting... during the 2022 Black Friday/Cyber Monday season, Samyang on their own USA website increased the MSRP from $799 to $919 USD, and then gave 20% off these lenses, which results in a $735 selling price or actual 8% discount from their official $799 MSRP. If they didn't artificially increase the price and gave the 20% discount, the resulting discounted price would be $639 which is almost half of the Sigma.
LOL. I've seen that kind of thing before.
I knew I wasn't crazy... Nov 17th 2022 it was 920$CAD and now it is 1128$CAD like wtf?! There is no way it is worth it now at the current price increase, like if the price gap gets too close of the Sigma on sale, I guess I'd rather just spend a bit more to get the Sigma which is either 1200$ on Amazon without warranty or 1400$ with 7 years warranty from an authorized Canadian dealer. Still have to remember Samyang is only 1 year of warranty, that's worth mentionning and considering into the price as well.
EDIT: I just bought the Sigma at my local store along 2 other Sigma lens with their big sales until the next week. Had an additional 50$ discount from the store over the manufacturer sales which is like 4% so I guess it's fair.
I started out with the Samyang 85mm f1.4 v1 when I switched to Sony cameras. I was super happy with it but I wanted to save up for the Sony 85mm GM and I was not impressed with it when I finally bought it. It was barely sharper than the v1 Samyang and it was loud focusing. So I sent the Sony GM back and kept using the Samyang. Then hearing everyone talking how good the new sigma 85mm f1.4 dg DN was I picked it up and wow it’s really sharp, tracks focus quicker and it’s sticky with the eyes. So I have been really impressed with the sigma 85mm. But still can’t say nothing bad about Samyang
That's fair all around.
Time to print and sell some "As a by product" t-shirts bro
LOL
Thanks for a very good comparison.
We would love to see it with 85GM in comparison too.
Cheers
I probably won't be able to fit that into the schedule right now.
Great review Dustin. Thanks for this, you've convinced me that the Sigma is the one to go for!
Glad I could help!
When I looks at your son photo.
in term of Saturation. I think @f1.4 , Samyang is more pop.
I would say @f1.4 , The sigma image looks sharper.
But when it comes to the chart comparison, I agree witth you though.
Thanks for the feedback.
My biggest problem with samyang is there Af accuracy/consistency although the 24mm f1.8 is an outstanding lens with no issues in AF performance, superb review 👍📷
I literally found zero difference in the auto focus performance side-by-side with these lenses. One is is as accurate as the other
Wonderful comparison, will be picking up the Sigma.
Enjoy. It's a great lens.
Samyang looked a bit darker and flat colors. Probably has to do with glass size, coatings I bet. Anyway, a decent budget option.
I'm not sure that I agree on the colors. I found the colors quite similar in all my comparisons. The Sigma does have more contrast, though.
I filmed concerts using the Rokinon/Samyang 85mm 1.4 for closeups and the results are incredible
Awesome. Glad you are enjoying it
really nice video👍👍👍
Thanks
For me Sigma looks better in all comparisons until it goes over f2.8. Then it's equal. Funny enough, I though the Samyang mark 1 had better bokeh. This time the Sigma looks better than Samyang II. You can see on the full body portrait that the Samyang has colors bleeding in to the white logo, Sigma handles it way better.
The Samyang bokeh is quite good, but the Sigma is a very good lens optically.
I just got the Samyang brand new for 650$... In that price Sigma did not make any sense for me...
That's fair. You would pay nearly double for the Sigma.
this samyang is a very interesting lens, but so is the 135mm, if the 135 had this weight I would probably prefer that one also because I have an 85mm…..I think that the system needs a new 135 of about 500g or less, even at the cost of a smaller max aperture…
I have seen very few modern 135 mm lenses that are incredibly compact or that have smaller maximum aperture. It seems like the trend is toward larger maximum aperture rather than smaller
both lenses perform very good, but atm in UK Samyang is half the price of the sigma, is just bargain, thanks for comparison
That's pretty huge.
Thank You..
You're welcome.
Thank you for this video! Supposedly Samyang 135mm is very good. Any chance you will be reviewing it? :)
p.s. Recently I bought a Sigma 14-24 DG DN for my a7RIII, based on your reviews. Probably the best lens I have ever owned. I can't afford any GM and I cannot really justify spending so much on a lens as an enthusiast. But I have to admit, that this Sigma absolutely exceeded my expectations, so thank you very much for your work!
I plan to review the Samyang 135 mm later on this month
Omar, Why are you on Dustin Abbott's channel, and why is the title Samyang, and not Lighting?
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Sigma absolutely has a docking station
Not for Sony FE products. In mirrorless they only have one for Leica L mount.
It's nice to have a aperture ring on a prime lens, I choose Sigma. Samyang has no customer service.
That’s fair
Buy Sigma but not the DN Buy the original DG. Very little difference in performance but hugely different in size and weight. The deal breaker? Sigma used but as new is half the price and will fit via adaptor to both FX and Z mount but the DN is stuck to just mirrorless.
Wow, I really disagree, but primarily because of that size and weight issue. I've also done many comparison tests, and autofocus isn't nearly as good via adapter when compared to the DN version, which is pretty much flawless.
Sigma is obviously better on IQ, it justifies the $$. Thank you for putting them together!
This is why it helps to put things side-by-side
Depends. Personally i prefer the lower contrast over the higher contrast (i can easily add contrast but not always save crushed highlights/shadows)
@@joakimolsson1024 Not sure how it is relevant to post process ... we are talking about lens sharpness ... otherwise people should pay much less and settle down on low IQ lens, although sometimes we might prefer low sharpness for portraits of certain people ...
@@mightymikex i mean, the difference in IQ is quite small, but a difference in contrast.
@@joakimolsson1024 If you like SY that's fine, but Samyang's sharpness is not good enough based on this review and pictures. I still have SY 35F1.4, same "issue" pretty much plus more distortion.
You're the best!
Well thank you!
I actually think the Samsung night be slightly better wide open for me for portraiture in particular. Higher contrast wide open isn't better for everything. I also like that it's so well corrected optically. It's pretty negligible because..... Well post-processing. The detail actually really is there on both of them.
The reason why I do these comparisons is that it allows people to choose for themselves which lens' rendering and performance they prefer.
I wish I bought samyang when it was cheaper. Now they are of the same price so I’m going for sigma
I take it that you must have missed out on a major sale, as the price has not "gone up".
Thx for this video !! But dont not speak to AF on vidéo :(((
This is more about areas where one is better than the other. I do cover that in their individual reviews.
Thanks for the comparison. Even on RUclips it’s clear the signs is the superior rendering. I appreciate it may not dominate on any category, but even on an iPhone 13 max the pop from the increased contrast was immediate. But 40% more (and the Samsung can likely be found on sale) - that’s a really tough call and ultimate is buy on budget
….except the No profile thing.
Son of a gun! 1.8 here I come. 😊
The Sigma definitely has more wide open pop...but price is a real world consideration, too.
Watching this I’m like “yeah, sigma is resolving better, should go with it”, just to put it on my 20 something mp A72 and put some cheap K&F filters over it. I’m a bit of an idiot am I?! 😅
I think that same kind of scenario gets played out pretty often.
Af test ? 🤦♂️ Sport Tracking Afc ?
@@synura8086 same light, same subject, same body 🤦♂️🤮😕
I shot both lenses side-by-side during portrait sessions and saw zero difference in auto focus. I do have some coverage of mild sport tracking with both lenses in their individual review
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Thank you!
Resell value.
That's a factor, though less so with two third party lenses vs a first party lens.
Literally no comparison
Well, literally, it was exactly a comparison ;) I happen to own both lenses at the moment, and I think there are strengths and weaknesses for both.
sigma costs x2 used ...
The Samyang is definitely a same value.
The sigma kills it
I would call that hyperbolic, but there are areas where the Sigma wins. They just aren’t in the areas where the Samyang wins 😉
sigma is made in japan.
samyang is made in south korea.
So?
I have to agree with Danny. Samyang is a South Korean company and Sigma is a Japanese company; it stands to reason that they manufacture their products in their own countries.
it's like Toyota or Hyundai... which vehicle should you choose? :D
sigma color is absolutely horrible, it makes white objects look yellow, its basically a smartphone.
Hmmm, I've owned the Sigma for 4 years and just can't agree.