Doctor Who 'THE WAR GAMES' Colourisation REVIEW!

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  • Опубликовано: 24 янв 2025

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  • @louwheezy13
    @louwheezy13 23 дня назад +3

    My Dad passed away in August, he had been a Doctor Who fan since An Unearthly Child. This was the first ever Doctor Who that he will never see, so this colourisation was a strange and sad experience for me. We had a lot of fun last year with The Daleks in colour discussing what worked and what didn’t, what we would have edited differently. I think he would have enjoyed this, especially the new regeneration scene and the War Chief = The Master implication. I feel like this was pretty good overall, but would have benefited from being cut to 2 hours instead of 90 minutes.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  23 дня назад +1

      Sorry for your loss.
      I agree it would have done with a bit more time, especially for the second half.

  • @ohmydinosare
    @ohmydinosare 24 дня назад +3

    I first saw the original version way back in 2007, it was one of the first classic stories I saw, the first troughton for sure and one of the very small number I had on VHS before I started getting the dvds, so I am very familiar with it, some parts of the colourisation I thought the new editing really worked, but once they reached the American civil war zone it just went out of control and so much was excised it made the story very hard to follow,everything with the resistance was brushed over so much that I almost thought they were going to be left out then suddenly Russel is there but we aren't told who he is, and then the Mexican guy is just there from nowhere, really needed an extra half hour at least.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  24 дня назад +1

      Yes they really top loaded the first half and then rushed the last half. A 2 hour run-time would have probably given the space for that not to have felt rushed, even if still cutting out some good bits.

  • @thecelticdruid7707
    @thecelticdruid7707 25 дней назад +5

    It worked for me and my son Adam, he watched with interest . I loved it. I don't mind the implications that the war chief is the Master. Happy new year to you and your family from Andrew.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  24 дня назад +2

      I haven’t tried this one with my 4 year old yet. He did very well with the Dalek one last year but I fear without the excitement of Daleks this one wouldn’t hold his attention as long.

    • @joshuajoshua2732
      @joshuajoshua2732 24 дня назад +1

      @thecelticdruid7707 Except he's not the Master we've been told this by Terence Dicks.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  24 дня назад +4

      @ in a franchise like Doctor Who the writer of any particular story doesn’t have the final say on what stuff means. Any future Castilian of the series can choose to recontextualise anything that has gone before

  • @Blazing_Ninja
    @Blazing_Ninja 23 дня назад +1

    I just realised that you have some Lego (and some not official) minifigures on the top shelf in the background! Including the ones that you got for your birthday or Christmas last year!

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  23 дня назад

      I do! They had been up the loft in storage but went to a Lego convention thing recently where I picked up the display case (and a Lego Cyberman) so got them all down.

    • @Blazing_Ninja
      @Blazing_Ninja 23 дня назад

      @@CulturePhilter Awesome!

  • @TheDoctorWhoDon
    @TheDoctorWhoDon 25 дней назад +7

    I'm hoping the Fugitive Doctor's origins are explained in the Bug Finish box sets shes getting next year.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  25 дней назад +3

      @@TheDoctorWhoDon from what I gather they are going to avoid giving any definitive answers in that.

    • @TheDoctorWhoDon
      @TheDoctorWhoDon 25 дней назад +3

      @@CulturePhilter that's a shame, but understandable. Could allow for more exploration of the character in the future, or to just leave her as more of a mystery.

    • @project_boredom2940
      @project_boredom2940 25 дней назад +3

      I rather them explain the origins on TV.

    • @joshuajoshua2732
      @joshuajoshua2732 24 дня назад +2

      She's a future Doctor it makes more sense than pre-Hartnell.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  24 дня назад +2

      @@TheDoctorWhoDon would be cool to see her back on TV again. Who knows if it would happen though

  • @BrianSmith-lj6ug
    @BrianSmith-lj6ug 25 дней назад +5

    I really enjoyed it, I thought they done a good job.I did watch the definitive 10 part story a week before so they did help.The Colourisation was so well done, a big improvement on the Daleks last year.The only 2 negatives for me was them trying to imply the War Chief was the Master, which is a no no for me, and the part where they showed Peter Capaldi, David Tennant and Jodie Whittaker as regeneration choices which was a bit too much fan service for me, but they may be be plus points for other fans.As a Phillip Madoc's acting as The War Lord fantastic as you say.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  25 дней назад +2

      I think the Master implication, because it was simply an implication, is fine because you can take it or leave it. It isn’t definitive. Where as replacing the faces with modern doctors is a bit more definitive which is why I think I didn’t like that one but didn’t mind the Master implication.

  • @FishDS9
    @FishDS9 24 дня назад +4

    Thanks Phil I enjoyed your opinions on this colorization of The War Games.

  • @ralphgmwilliams
    @ralphgmwilliams 24 дня назад +3

    My thoughts on the new version:
    When watching the original, I thought there were bits that were too long but not to the point where whole episodes were padding. I also thought other aspects of the story were too short - for example, the reveal that aliens are involved could have appeared later, and possibly added one more war zone.
    Personally, I hate the modern requirement that every second of screen time has music under it (or sometimes over it). Some of it almost required a Mel Brooks moment, with the cast turning to the camera and saying "we'd better say that again without the synthesiser".
    I prefer the War Chief not being the Master - apart from the original intent that he wasn't, there had a very different approach, and the Master has (IMHO) become over used.
    Therefore: I hope there are more colourisations, but stop changing the music and trying to change the characters.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  24 дня назад +2

      Yes not every moment NEEDS music. Although I didn’t personally find any of it distracting in this instance I’m sure I also wouldn’t have felt it was missing if it wasn’t constantly there.

  • @darynvoss7883
    @darynvoss7883 23 дня назад +1

    I think even 105 minutes would have been better than 90 just to include more linking and useful scenes, including the one in which the Tardis is underwater, leaking.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  23 дня назад

      It definitely could do with more time. Any amount would have helped but I think about another half an hour would be best.

  • @CJ-qp7hi
    @CJ-qp7hi 22 дня назад

    Theoretically if 12 convinced 1 to regenerate this would make the doctor's timeline fixed.
    The doctor's timeline would become altered slightly from 1-12 by coming a fixed event.
    The timelords show 2nd doctor 10-13s face because retrospectively the doctor's faces become fixed events. Not random.
    As a fixed event the doctor would be an immortal, making the timeless child a future event made possible after twice upon a time.
    This can be used to explain changes when colourising classic stories to fit the current cannons etc.
    (Just pissing about theorising/ linking random stuff)

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  22 дня назад

      Hmmm I could buy that 12s involvement with 1s regeneration might make everything up to 12 somehow known to the Timelords but I don’t think it tracks that they would know about 13

  • @1965anthony
    @1965anthony 13 дней назад

    Oh, the fugitive Doctor is Susan Foreman. They both escaped from Gallifrey but knew that the Inrtervention Agency would never stop looking. So she hid even from herself. She gave up her identity and memories. Her 'Grandfather' guarded these on his ring and her took her name and stopped using his own. Plan A was to give her a new life on Earth. When the tardis was forced to move they just kept running and went to plan B. Plan B was to leave her somewhere safe while her guardian kept on moving and kept on calloing himself The Doctor.
    So, why did the Timelords not go back for her at the end of The Wargames? Why has 'our Doctor' never gone back to her? Because 'our Doctor' no longer has the necessary memories. They are all on the ring that fell from his finger after his first regeneration.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  13 дней назад

      @@1965anthony well that’s certified ally an original theory I’ve not heard before. If nothing else I appreciate the thought that’s gone into it 🙂

  • @jackmozenrath135
    @jackmozenrath135 24 дня назад +1

    Is it a trick of the lights or do you have two different eye colours?

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  24 дня назад

      I don’t THINK so.

    • @jackmozenrath135
      @jackmozenrath135 24 дня назад

      @@CulturePhilter I think the nose shadow is making your right darker than it is. Your face isn’t normally so close to the camera. Also, I agree with you on the possibility of a gap of adventures between the spinning heads and the chair. I think that’s where the Big Finish "Beyond War Games" set takes place.

  • @TemporalsonToys
    @TemporalsonToys 25 дней назад +2

    I felt so lost watching it. I saw the original and understood the plot perfectly. Watching this made me feel like I wasn’t paying attention as important scenes were cut down to momentary montages which made me lose the plot.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  24 дня назад +1

      How recently had you last seen the original? I watched it about a week before the colourisation and that definitely helped.

    • @TemporalsonToys
      @TemporalsonToys 24 дня назад

      @ would have been about a year ago since I saw the original. Maybe if I watched it again before the colourised version aired it may have made it feel less disorienting 😅

    • @raymondwilliams5587
      @raymondwilliams5587 18 дней назад

      @@CulturePhilter Yes. I’m sure that the way to go about it. To enjoy this new version watch the old version first😊
      That says it all.

  • @Auntydaren
    @Auntydaren 25 дней назад +2

    I enjoyed all parts, of the original and thought the new version worked, until the regeneration, I have no problem with the regeneration it’s self but to have modern doctors was a bit jarring,

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  25 дней назад

      That’s the one outright change that I wasn’t sure on too.

  • @michaelpoole587
    @michaelpoole587 23 дня назад +1

    They should have done all or nothing

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  23 дня назад

      I don’t think colourising all 10 parts would be financially viable.

    • @michaelpoole587
      @michaelpoole587 23 дня назад +1

      @@CulturePhilter Being an Accountant myself, how do you know it is not?

  • @joshuajoshua2732
    @joshuajoshua2732 24 дня назад +4

    I know alot of people liked it but to me I thought it was a massive fail they should had just left it alone as it was I didn't like the colour it looks like paint on film, i didn't like the retcon, showing the change from Troughton to Pertwee kind of spoils the magic of not showing who the next Doctor is as well diminishing the season 6b theory to which I personally didn't like but felt sorry for the ones that did i didnt like the golden regeneration effect added to it RTD should had left it alone in fact it should never had been thought of I found this vandalising cutting out bits of story is not the best way to introduce it to an audience who watches it for the first time padding is part of the story that's how the people wrote and created this in the 60's intended to be that's where it should had stayed.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  24 дня назад +1

      Oh that’s interesting. For all the criticisms of it I’ve seen I think you are the first I’ve seen actually criticize the quality of the colourising itself.
      What do you mean by paint on film? Like it’s literally been painted with a brush?

    • @raymondwilliams5587
      @raymondwilliams5587 18 дней назад +1

      I don’t believe this is done to attract a new audience. The people who will buy the DVD will already be Dr Who fans. It’s altering the past because they are in a position to do so. The inclusion of the Nu Who Drs look like it was a very last minute decision. Why not just the faces? Them using the publicity photos was lazy. Does that mean all those costume decisions the Dr makes is already predetermined? Silly beyond belief. I agree, I like the opening ending of the Troughton era. I wish they would just colourise them and leave the past as it is. Editing long stories when we could have fully colourised versions of Planet Of Giants and The Tomb of the Cybermen .

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  18 дней назад

      @ not new to the whole of Who fans as much as fans of Doctor Who who might have only really watched the revival series, or dabbled in classic but never the 60s ones.

    • @raymondwilliams5587
      @raymondwilliams5587 18 дней назад +1

      @ Really! This mythical new audience. First of all it’s easy to tell by the ratings that a large percentage of Nu Who fans have already checked out on the new show. Why would they then become interested in watching old stories from the 60s? Jodie was getting on average 6 million. Ncuti’s new era down to 3.5 million. The RTDs production team should concentrate on getting back to the Whittaker eras level of ratings rather than trying to edit down old classics to attract a “ younger audience “. Going by Phil Collinson remarks in DWM, this new version of The War Games was more about his head canon and then trying to force that on the whole of fandom. The War Chief is now meant to be The Master. Despite being seen to killed by at least six soldiers shooting him stone dead in the story. We know that Terrance Dicks/ Barry Letts invented the Master in 1970 to be the Drs Moriarty to his Holmes. Dicks/ Letts are on record saying this. For Super Fans like Collinson/ RTD to come along decades later to deliberately change another writers work is disgusting. Leave superior writers work alone. To me there is an agenda at play here. They could have fully colourised Planet of Giants and The Tomb of the Cybermen. Instead they have tried to severely edit down long stories for the so called modern audience. And they have done it badly. The edits are far too severe to work. Better concentrating on shorter stories that don’t need as much editing or none at all.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  18 дней назад

      @ Jodie’s last episode Power of The Doctor got 5.3 million in the 7 day consolidated figures.
      The last Jodie festive period special ‘Eve of the Daleks’ got 4.3 million
      Doctor Who Flux averaged 4.85 million over that series
      Joy to the world got 5.91 million beating all of those.

  • @BenWillock
    @BenWillock 24 дня назад +1

    10 being skinny is a running joke through nuWho so I think it's okay to nod to it

  • @redcurrantart
    @redcurrantart 14 дней назад +2

    I don’t know why they alway have to throw modern doctors in. It just feels forced and slapped in for no good reason.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  11 дней назад

      I don’t think it needs to a hard rule to NEVER do it but I personally don’t think it works in this instance.

  • @professorbrainyspecs7366
    @professorbrainyspecs7366 24 дня назад +1

    They should have done a two or two and a half hour version. An hour and a half is too heavy of a cut for this story. I know that they are trying to make this accessible, but many modern viewers are okay with the two and a half hour "The End of Time".
    I didn't like the hints that the War Chief is the Master. In the New Adventures novel Exodus, Terrance Dicks (who came up with the War Chief character and wrote The War Games) brings back the War Chief and writes it in a way to depict the last time the Doctor encountered the War Chief was in The War Games. So, no. The idea that he is the Master is wrong.
    I too feel the Fugitive Doctor is after Troughton. So, I don't like that at all. And part of Season 6B has to be true for the Second Doctor to remember what happened to Jamie and Zoe after his trial with the Time Lords in The Five Doctors and for he and Jamie to be on missions for the Time Lords in The Two Doctors. I know there is wiggle room for that in this colorized version of The War Games. But, it completely ruins the Fugitive Doctor.
    I know many people tell me that I am wrong for thinking the Fugitive Doctor should be after the Second Doctor. They claim there is ample evidence that she is pre-First Doctor. But, I cannot find explicit dialog or canon sources to validate that. Maybe I am just missing it. But, then the same people are okay with the War Chief being the Master. I don't know.

    • @joshuajoshua2732
      @joshuajoshua2732 24 дня назад +1

      They shouldn't had done it at all they should had just left it alone.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  24 дня назад

      The only way I can think of fugitive still fitting is if they de-generate her back to Two before THEN making her regenerate into three

    • @professorbrainyspecs7366
      @professorbrainyspecs7366 24 дня назад

      @@CulturePhilter, that does make sense. If the Doctor forgot that incarnation of him/herself, then the Time Lords would need to change the Doctor back to the Second Doctor to make it seem seamless.
      Happy New Year!

    • @joshuajoshua2732
      @joshuajoshua2732 24 дня назад

      ​​@@CulturePhilterThat would be a pointless idea and I don't like when they retcon established history it would be better if Fugitive took place in the future sometime after Gatwa.
      Your also forgetting the Fugitive Doctor did not recognise the sonic screwdriver infact she was against using them the Second Doctor uses it also a Time Lord can only regenerate 12 times the Doctor has already had his 13 so how does Fugitive fit in the first cycle that would be 14 Doctors instead of 13 the only way that could work is they would have to drop the Meta-Crisis as part of the regeneration so I don't see how she would fit between 2 and 3. She's either pre-Hartnell which doesnt make sense since we saw the First Doctor steal the TARDIS on gallifrey and its been stuck as a Police Box since "An Unearthly Child" or a future Doctor my theory says she's a Future Doctor with lost memories of her previous incarnations after she was forced into division which would explain why her TARDIS looks like a Police Box and would make 10 times more sense.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  24 дня назад

      @@joshuajoshua2732 the screwdriver thing I accept is an issue. Although I’m sure an explanation could be found.
      The regeneration limit isn’t a problem though. We know the time lords have ability to grant extra regenerations. If they wanted to keep that incarnation secret even from their own future regenerations it makes sense they would add an extra regeneration to keep up the cover.

  • @Paul_1971
    @Paul_1971 21 день назад +1

    Why do a bulk of the modern audience think this nonsense is now canon? Surely they can't seriously think so, considering its cut down from 10 episodes down to a mere 90 minutes with idiotic retcon changes shoehorned in under from the perspective of one person? Sorry its just has to viewed to be a bit of fluff. It was rushed and nonsensical, cutting out a lot of the plot, character development, overlapping scenes and dialogue, with a bunch of retconned stuff thrown in - the second half was a mess. Plus why would you show pictures of the faces of future incarnations and why is it all Nu-Who Doctors, especially as when one of the sketches in the original version looks very much like the 5th doctor, it's just nonsense. People didn't take the truncated Daleks in Colour as canon, so why should they take this canon, especially with the War Chief, just because he was a Timelord with a beard and he was doing bad stuff, why does that automacally makes him the Master, just nonsense. This is just a truncated version of a much better story for the ADHD generation, nothing more. The colourisation was impressive though.

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  20 дней назад

      Did you already post this exact same thing on my other video about the war games? Are you just copying and pasting it on any video you see about the topic? 🤔

    • @Paul_1971
      @Paul_1971 20 дней назад +1

      @CulturePhilter Well I'm.not going to write the whole thing out again from scratch - anyway I didnt realise both were your videos, besides why do two videos on the same subject in that case?

    • @CulturePhilter
      @CulturePhilter  20 дней назад

      @ this video is a review of the whole episode.
      The other one was talking about a specific element and more about lore theories.

    • @raymondwilliams5587
      @raymondwilliams5587 18 дней назад +1

      @@Paul_1971 Well said! Why the War Games? It’s the hardest of the existing B/W stories to colourise because it’s ten episodes long. Ego! That’s why. Super fans like Collinson are in a position of power than they can pick what stories to colourise and have a big say on the edit. The Master nonsense is purely his fanfic, his head canon and he wants all of fandom to accept it. Is this really aimed at a “ new” audience? I don’t think Primary/ High School children are going to be searching out this new version. Most have already checked out of Nu Who why would this be of interest to them? There is an agenda at play here. Otherwise they would have fully colourised Planet of Giants and The Tomb of the Cybermen. Both would not have needed any editing!

    • @Paul_1971
      @Paul_1971 18 дней назад +1

      @raymondwilliams5587 Exactly - same with the Daleks being what, 7 or 8 episodes long down to 90 minutes. If they want a coloured edited version, why dont they just go watch the Cushing movie?!