How to build a Kill Team | Part 1 (List Building) | Kill Team 2021
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- Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2021
- How do you build a Kill Team? Idk, but I'll show you how I build mine!
I’m this video I’m showing you how I think through building a chaos space marine kill team / warband.
This is also my thought process while build forces for other tabletop games as well, and it mixes building for fun and thinking about lore with putting together a competitive kill team!
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Re: your team’s background, one of the big arguments that the Traitor Legions had for their betrayal was that there was a very real consideration that once the galaxy was conquered the Legions would no longer serve any purpose and thus would likely be… “liquidated” with extreme prejudice as the Missing Legions had been, so to their minds they weren’t so much betraying a great ruler as preempting that ruler’s inevitable betrayal.
To emerge from the most traumatic experience of unprecedented fratricide in Imperial history only to be dropped ten millennia into the future and learn that not only was that act pointless but that by betraying their oaths and fellow Astartes they ensured the Primaris would be needed as an upgrade down the line would absolutely drive anyone insane, and the Primaris would make excellent scapegoats since they embody the total futility of the greatest shame any Astartes ever participated in.
In any case I very much look forward to what you end up choosing for them!
Dude! thank you for taking the time to write this out. If you’re cool with it, this is totally their background/lore now! It’s perfect 👌
@@battlebrotherstabletop I would be honored for you to do so! Good news is that it's flexible enough that you could have them be from any of the Legions that participated, Loyal or Traitor, since the feeling of betrayal could work for both.
@@TheDakkaman totally! Someone in the comments suggested to keep the lord vague enough that you can develop it as you play games with them, and I thought that advice fit perfectly with your lore write up.
Since you knocked the lore out of the park, wanna take a stab at naming them? 😂
@@battlebrotherstabletop I fully agree with the other commenter, that ability to grow is why I love the 9e crusade stuff so much.
As to a name, something indicating that they consider themselves the cast-offs or replaced children makes me want to go with The Discarded (Sons). Gives a feel of resentment for their being the 'old model' that was left to rot in exchange for Cawl's shiny new Primaris. Almost a Toy Story 3 kind of personal grudge for being tossed aside when they weren't 'fun' anymore.
Noting that this also had 'historic' precedent from the Emperor doing this with his Thunder Warriors (i think they were called) post-Unification wars.
I'm putting together a set of tactical marines that are Alpha Legion disguised as Lamenters. The one $40 pack allows me to alternate between fielding a chaos space marine team and a tactical marine squad (with a few weapon layouts to switch out as well). The painting is going to be pretty tricky, but for anyone seeking a niche 2-for-1 setup it's a pretty cool route to take.
I was just talking to someone about this as a way to stretch a box of marines. I have a feeling you’ll end up running them as chaos though, as CSM are just so good this edition. Would love to see the project when it’s finished!
Did you ever get this squad done, I’d love to see some pictures :)
You have such a chill and fun vibe. I totally agree that coming up with a story for the team is almost as fun as painting or playing them. 🤘
Honestly it's this series of videos and your channel in general that has made me wanna play since Kill Team requires less models, and you've helped me understand a lot of the rules since I usually have trouble just learning from reading a codex. Plus sold me on using Legionaries to kitbash a Thunder Warriors Kill Team
Great video! As a new Kill Team player I really appreciate hearing WHY you make the decisions you do, so I can apply similar thinking and problem solving to my own team. I bought the Chalnath box set and am excited to try both Novitiates and Pathfinders! I'm looking forward to the next videos in this series for more knowledge! :)
Thanks, Andrew! I haven’t picked up Chalnath yet, but I may have to just for the Tau alone. They look super strong!
Man Im so glad I found your channel! I am currently finishing up my Death Watch roster and built an "original 5" that feel like *my* kill team, with some kit bashing and customizing and background lore etc, and the rest are there to fill out a more competitive roster. Which is a part of compiling the team I really enjoyed. Seems like your chaos roster is going to be really similar. Love the kitbashing work too.
Keep up the awesome work man, love the channel.
Thanks, man! Super cool to hear! Deathwatch are super fun, I'm actually converting to a heretic because I didn't like only having 5 marine bodies with the DW. Would love to see some pics when you're finished!
Even the glasses colors are matching the black and orange of the octarius. Kudos.
great looking team! those MK3 torsos look spot on! also 13:09 glad to see someone else's desk that looks like mine during a project :D Great video looking forward to part 2
Thanks, man! 😂 unfortunately, this is what my hobby looks like 24/7 as I’m always working on some project lol.
I do enjoy the idea of Kill Team as a potential place to experiment with Kitbashing. Especially as a beginner to the games, whose only army up until now has been a pretty basic "By the book" assembly and paint-job, there are loads of ideas that i could see being awesome to work into a proper army, but have no idea how it would look like at the end. With Kill Team, it gives the opportunity to run that idea through a sort of proof of concept phase. A smaller troop with a relatively reduced price, you can try out an idea and see how you like it. If it looks good to you, you start building from there. Didn't turn out so good? Well, you're usually either almost done or ready to play with a single box, so why not just finish it and maybe figure out how to fix the concept during it? Most importantly though, the unique models will be able to illustrate your idea much better than a regiment of mono-poses and inspire the idea to germinate further.
For example, one of the many ideas I've had for exanding my list of armies was making an army of Imperial Guard with a small, undead twist. Inspired by the imagery in the music video to Pink Floyd's "Goodbye Blue Sky", the idea is to give the Guardsmen a skeletal makeover, with skull heads and boney hands. The "Ghosts of Cadia" as I've codenamed the project. However, if I buy a box of regular troops and while bashing them either aren't as impressed with the idea in practice, can't get it to look right or just think it's too much work, that'll leave me with a whole lot of nothing I cannot get any use of. Instead, I buy a box of Cadian Shock Troops for Kill Team and even if these problems arise, all I gotta do is bare it for the one box and maybe buy one box of Tempestus to give an excuse to have fully covered soldiers I don't need to bash and there you go. A full squad ready to play. If the project proves super successful and I fall in love with it, moving over to expanding on the idea with a full 40k army can now be done with full confidence and knowledge of what I'm getting into.
great idea for kitbashing. its also one of my favorite ways to improve/practice kinda advanced ideas for hobbying
Same here!
Thanks for the video! Nice to see someone else's process. Especially under the new ruleset.
Thanks, Josh! Want to see how those Scion squats come out 👌
Killer video! Kinda makes me wanna take a step back and look at how I put mine together. And your kitbashes look great! Can't wait to see them painted up!
Hey, thanks man! My problem is I spend too much time thinking about building them and not enough time actually building them 😂
@@battlebrotherstabletop I wish I had that issue. I feel like my kill teams look kinda bland compared to other people's. Someday I'll get that part of my brain to work
I f***ing love your Videos Ben. You play and create the same way I do so your vids just make sense to me. Keep up the content buddy
Yo! Thanks for the dope comment, man 🙏 super super appreciate the kind words. I’ll keep making videos!
Love the vid 😂, def agree "your" kill team is way better than "a" kill team. Love the conversions too, cant wait to see them painted in the rest of the series!
Thanks, man! Will have more footage of the models in the next vid
I played KT at the weekend for the second time, assault intercessors vs Ork Commandos and I got absolutely smoked. It was so unbelievably unbalanced, it was crazy! Hope the Space Marines get a buff soon. 🙏🏻
Loving you custom kill team, they look dope! Kind of remind me of iron man mark 1. 😆 Can’t wait to see the paint job!
Thanks, man! Hmm, I know the mk1 was just bare metal but an iron man inspired paint scheme could be super cool!
Oof! Definitely feel your pain, my AIs haven’t done much work either lol. If you like marines, have you tried deathwatch or grey knights yet?
Love the video, can't wait for more!
Thanks Jan! 🙏
Just decided to get into kill team, perfect video to stumble across
Happy you stumbled across it. Kill Team is awesome!
after playing quite a lot of games with csm in kt21 i've noticed I now usually take the same team you recommended. it's just a great all rounder!
That’s awesome to hear! I haven’t played this exact list yet, but I’m looking forward to it. CSM are probably the best real elite faction other than Custodes, in my opinion. Deathwatch are awesome, but 5 bodies with 11 wounds is honestly a nightmare to run 😂 even in the last ed, 6 marines was the sweet spot for me. Heresy all the way!
Flamer gunner with malefic blade on ITD maps slaps, especially against geq teams, Charge, carve up then shoot.
I got a game of KT in yesterday against Space Marines featuring bolter pistols and grenades. With 3 APL my opponent made good use of the terrain and the mission objectives to exploit my Ad Mech's weaknesses. Having 3 APL goes a long way in making SM (and Traitor SM) a really good choice. Looking forward to the rest of the series - keep up the good work.
I'm really new to KT and my Space Marines are getting completely destroyed every game.
Interesting. What marine list were they running? I’ve almost given up on standard marines, that’s why I’m converting to chaos 😂 thanks, man!
@@grendelprime166 You chose a tough path 😂 Chaos marines are miles ahead of Astartes right now in KT right now, maybe give them a try!
Been working on a Chaos Marine team, myself, so this is rather helpful! I painted mine up as Iron Warriors as a nod to my long-lost first 40k army from back in 3rd edition.
Super dope! Love iron warriors, man. I think I only like chaos marines that don’t look like chaos marines 😂 what kits are you using for them?
@@battlebrotherstabletop Just Vanilla, for now. Part of what I'm doing is getting playable teams for as many factions as I can then deciding who to build out. Though I've been tempted to appropriate some Black Templars stuff for Word Bearers. I have some great Necromunda stuff to use for WB cultists
@@MTFTabletop Love the heresy of usig BT for WB 😂 Those necromunda kits are perfect for cultists, I’m sure you’ve probably seen Pete the wargamer’s vids on necromunda cultist kitbashes. That guy blows my mind
@@battlebrotherstabletop Pete the Wargamer is great! I picked up a box of the Cawdor Redemptionists when they dropped and have been torn between making them into either some sort of Inquisitorial retinue or WB cultists.
I magnetized my death guard for this edition that means I have 7 marines as the Grandfather intended but with the options to make a full matched roster including the 8 poxwalkers.
Their background is they are a squad of Venomarines working "acquisitions" after the war of rust and ruin.
I also haven't had this much in building models since I built a turnip infantry last year
Nice! What list do you prefer taking? I'm not a fan of the pox walker models, so I'm not sure if I'll be picking them up or not.
Venomarines is the dopest thing I've ever heard in my life. Just did a quick google on them. Sick 🤙
Love it!
Yo, what’s up Shane! Thanks, man 🤙
Maybe after finally starting to put my army together I make a kill team... It sounds super fun.
Nice video again mate! Heretics FTW!!!!!! I agree, we found the missile launcher can be much more versatile against many foes, especially if they forget about it and bunch up. More description text though!! :)
Hey, Mark!
Totally agreed, missile launcher over HB and frag cannon of IHB all day every day.
Oof, you caught me slipping on the description😂 fell asleep while uploading and rushed it first thing Monday AM 😬
Rn im building a sisters of battle army. This is my first one so theyre gonna be pretty stock but maybe eventually ill do my own crazy stuff. Id like to get the Custodes combat patrol so i can do a sisters of silence/2 custodes kill team.
Great video
The Skull Priest/Shaman looks sooooooo dopeeeeeeee
Yo, thanks! 🙏 might have to call him Skully
I like to build my kill teams frombthe oldest, most crappy models I can. My space marine team has a 2nd edition guy with one leg and had been painted with house paint.
Most peoplr would hack them to bits and use them as parts, but if they have survived for 30 years beeing chewed by dogs and uses sprues as arms, they must be the best of the best. They are the heroes you put insode a dreadnaught.
oh love this. True Veterans!
I just finished my Assault Intercessors Salamanders Team for KT21 and now i am starting to build my CSM Red Corsairs team... I also have three Craftworlds Fireteams... Seems we have the same preferences :-D
😂 that’s super weird because I’ve had a half built salamander Intercessor team sitting on my desk for month. Looks like we have good taste 😂
Thank you.
What book can you look at to see the different kill teams you can put together?
now that chalnath has been released, what changes would you make to your battle sisters killteam if any?
Great question. I’m not a fan of the sister novitiates team, honestly. There’s not much I could change on my compendium team even if I wanted to besides adding another fire team or something. I would add a fire team of sisters and a fire team of repentia just to fill out the 20 model list, I think!
I’m building up a death guard kill team now
What scale did you print your models at?
Love your vibe and balanced approach to the hobby
Thanks a ton! Super cool to hear 🙏
These guys look amazing. Can't wait to see them painted up. Do you normally give your dudes names?
What’s up James!
I typically name my sergeants or any model really once they’ve earned it. For example, my Tempestor earned the name “Tempestor Custard the Custode Killer” for obvious reasons. I also have a Genestealer Neophyte called “Hank the tank” because he’s always the last neophyte to die 😂
I’ve never given any of them lore accurate names though, but I’m open to it!
Is this legal in tournaments? Sorry to ask such a possible dumb question but I’m new and I want to build a KT having all my options.
I was thinking of kitbashing intercessors into Black templars. Could I use an auto bolt rifle as another rifle? I would magnet the option but is such a small piece…
sure! nobody cares if you have the right bolt rifle/auto rifle!
I love my orks from the prior KT. Even though Kommandos have bespoke rules, I'll be playing Greenskins with my Nob and his boyz.
Just watched a game where greenskins beat deathwatch. Those rocket launchers are serious business! I miss my old Nobs list though
Greenskins are a great team. They have a couple different ways you can play based on matchup. You can have bodies, melee, and even shooty if you build for it and spend CP for it.
Really looking forward to seeing how you paint these up! Is part three, or a theoretical part four going to be a battle report? I hope so!
As much as I’d like to say yes, the truth is probably no lol. I will start thinking through how to shoot a battle bros batrep, though!
If theres no points how do you know for example 5 marines should go against 10 guardsmen not 15?
Not quite sure what you mean, but have you been able to look at the compendium? The compendium has all the team builds and stuff like that in it that tells you how many of what models you can take. 5 marines is not enough in my opinion, I really think it should be 6 across the board, but that’s just me.
Hope that help! If not lmk
Hey y’all anyone built a kill team for space wolves? Any suggestions?
Thanks ❤
How do you know how many units you can have?
Hey there! it will be listed in the rules for the team you're building! What team are you working on?
I mean I bought a khorne berserker squad to paint, are any of them viable to play in Kill team? I haven't played a game, I just paint as a hobby
Yep! 6 of them can be run as Chaos Legionaries! Very fun team.
@@battlebrotherstabletop 6 out of 10 ain't bad! Can you run traitor astartes with traitor guard, or even loyal marines with guardsmen*?
(*I refuse to say astra militarum, that is a mouthful)
wait a minute, i see you in Eons of battle streams
Guilty as charged!
I'm new to Kill Team. This is a good primer, but you lost me in the beginning around 6:18 when you said that "Traitor Space Marines are build of two, 3 man fire teams." How did you know that? And how can I figure that out with other factions?
Hey there, this was from the beginning of KT21 using the compendium rules for Traitor Space Marines. The compendium uses a fire team system when building teams. Those rules will be in the compendium or also on wahapedia!
@@battlebrotherstabletop I’ll have a look - thanks!
The problem ive had is the person who taught me how to play keeps running thousand suns. With AP and firing twice? Against my kommandos (first team) that stand no chance.
Interesting. Kommandos just destroyed the competition at a tournament at Warhammer world last month, so they should be able to give the Thousand Sons a run for their money! Those AP bolters are no joke though, that’s for sure. I think with some experience you should be able to flip the tables on them!
Are you trying to eliminate him or win by VP?
Is heavy gunner a default option? Model with 3AP and heavy weapon seems strange to me.
You don’t have to run one, but I like having the option to both types of missiles to give me flexibility. He’s a beast!
They could loathe the Primaris because had they been just deployed as they came to fruition, many of their battle brothers would still be alive. The Traitors could think it is yet another manifestation of the Emperor's abandonment of the Crusade, the Legions, and the Primarchs. Another approach could be jealousy. I know I would resent being made obsolete despite the unwavering loyalty and sacrifice. "Why not give us better tools? We have certainly earned the right to be at the frontline of these wars. Our brothers and their memories will not be usurped by a new gene process!" The Primaris has undoubtedly become the standard bearer of the Space Marines; they were replaced by a little brother.
Is this still relevant with the new rules
30K Blackshields? If your kill team just stepped back into real space after being lost in the warp for ten thousand years a Blackshield warband could be the solution for you; dark, moody, mysterious and dripping in MK3. Also gives you the opportunity to grow the lore in your own time game after game...
Love this. Yeah, blackshields/renegades appeals to me more than straight up chaos worshippers tbh. I like the idea of keeping it vague so the lord builds as you go, never thought of that!
@@battlebrotherstabletop it's often the case that morally ambiguous + really old = very cool. Looking forward to the next installment.
The structure is so irritating. What are the elite teams? There is almost no clarity or consistency from GW about rosters and kill teams and names and races its so frustrating.
This does not help an entirely new player build a kill team at all. This seems like a guide for people who already know where to find the rules for each miniature variation, how to actually build a team now that points are gone, etc.
Where do I even begin? I bought the Phobos Kill Team box and the Core Book, there is absolutely no guidance in the box or the book that tells me what I can build, what each build variation does etc.
Totally at a loss.
Sucks to suck I guess
Video could of been shorter. It was obvious you were pushing for the 10+ min mark. Too much fluff information. Downvoted
Aight bruh 👍
bro this is literally the video that got me into kill team so begone