I block trolls. Irenic or serious comments and questions are 100% welcome. One strike rule. You troll, you magically and instantly disappear as soon as I see the comment.
I’m a convert (2008) whose main goal in catechizing youth at our parish is to make sure they don’t misunderstand and then fall away. I truly believe that anyone who understands the sacraments could never walk away, regardless of boredom or offense, which are two common complaints. The sacraments are so rooted in our salvation, through grace, that we can’t live without them! Thank you for bringing this topic to bear.
Thank you. This has to be said. Catholics who understand that Jesus has not left us orphaned, but comes to us in the Eucharist, cannot leave the Church. I just saw a baseball player coming in from a home run, make the sign of the cross in gratitude.
We have had that is the Catholic Church great converts who were Protestants like Steve Ray, Scott Hahn, Tim Staples and many more and yourself Kenny we as Catholics are lucky to have you in Jesus Christ Holy Catholic Church.
Kenny, you made me think maybe I do the same meme concerning my previous Baptist faith but I have listened to Protestant pastors, etc. state what their faiths believe and teach. I have also listened to what Catholicism believes and teaches from Catholics. The tie breaker for me are the early church writings. They not only agree with Catholicism, they were all Catholics themselves because it was the only faith that sprang from the Apostolic period. There simply was no other church or faith. Thanks for your drive time talks.
Thanks for this episode. I just referenced it on Allie Beth Stuckey’s page. She had Mike Genderon on “exposing” the Catholic Church. I think this episode pegged him very well. He has been debunked many many times. Thank you again.
Mike Genderon's rhetoric is precisely what Allie Beth believes about the church. A refusal to submit to authority is generally disguised as a "love of scripture" - "I love scripture too much to have it interpreted for me".
@@KennyBurchard Allie Beth had Trent Horn on her channel once. He was very patient with her and brought her very close to accepting the Catholic understanding, before she pulled back. Please keep her in your prayers.
You did it again!!! Made a charitable but revealing exposition on why former Catholics and now anti-Catholics cannot hold a credible testimony to what Catholicism is about. We pray for their healing and reversion. We also look to authentic sources of Catholicism spanning 2 millennia written by faithful Catholics to learn about Christ’s Church.
This was the Spiritual Warfare (yes it’s real) used on me after I became Catholic. For about 7 years, everywhere I went, “Oh I was raised Catholic, if you want to be a REAL Christian….” Once I started learning the Faith, the attacks stopped. Now I go on the offensive, looking for them to talk to! 😂😂😇🤺⚔️
I'm an ex-Protestant. I left Protestantism after 55 years because God showed me it's errors. He's been showing me the errors for 30 years prior and I never listened to Him. Finally, He showed me the one false teaching that would get my attention and it did, I left my church the following week. I didn't go to any church for about 8 weeks. I spent my time in prayer reading scripture and reading things like the early church fathers and what various churches teach. I came away that the Bible (my Protestant Bible) shows Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church. The early church fathers show Catholic beliefs. The beliefs of today's Catholic Church are the same as what the early church fathers wrote about. When I mentioned it to my wife, she said she always wanted to be Catholic. Which was a relief. So we both sign up for RCIA but she had to file for an annulment from her first marriage. I was allowed to be confirmed before the annulment, in 2020. She had to wait until 2021 when she received her annulment. After a month of marriage prep using a video series on Formed, she was confirmed at a daily mass then our marriage was convalidated.
I enjoyed my life as a Protestant. I was an ordained elder and thought I was serving the Lord. I had no desire of leaving my church. But when God speaks to you, you listen. As a Catholic, it does upset me that my church taught things not supported by scripture. I try to teach what is correct to Protestants on social media if they will listen. Most are trolls and just want to argue. People like that I pray for.
Ex catholics say they don’t get anything g from the mass. That it’s boring and does not make them “feel good”. Maybe it’s not about you feeling good and what you can “get” from your time there. Maybe it’s about Jesus, not you.
I left the Catholic Church for 10 years only because social aspects were better in protestant churches. I never hated on Catholics though.. I was under the belief though that all churches were the same as long as you believed in God.I came back after experiencing untruths and hatred for the Catholic Church from a pastor I would follow including if you are catholic you are going to hell. I am a proud catholic now and am home to stay.
New subs here Kenny. Enjoyed your Marian sessions with Matt and Ken at the Coming Home Network. God bless. On topic, those Catholics who fell out of the faith was not able to really dig deep to know what the church truly teaches. Otherwise, they would have not taken the leap. I'm a cradle Catholic and to be honest, the pandemic made me dig deeper than I could ever have through the years. What sustained me is the parish life to which I have immersed myself in my younger years. Keep doing what you are doing. You are helping a lot of Catholics and non Catholics alike for sure
Ex-Catholic: I’m worse than a reformed smoker. Let me tell you how bad the Catholic Church is. Me: It’s better for your health to start smoking immediately and return to the Catholic Church than to have healthier lungs but spew out lies about Jesus’ One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Thank God I'm a cradle Catholic, Love my faith And I know how to defend my faith with the Bible My Nextdoor neighbor stopped talking to me because I will respond back with the Bible all her attacks about the Catholic Church, I don't understand why If they say only the Bible and we respond with the Bible they don't like it they don't accepted I'm confused 😕🤔
Awesome! Keep going! Take her to Mass and ask her to try to make a note of every time a biblical phrase is used, and whether or not they read as much Bible in her Church as you do.
Yeah, I find, mostly, that former Catholics (who present themselves as expert Catholics) often have a similarly-evolved experience of Catholicism that generally goes like this... 1. Early Childhood: I'm being raised in a nominally Catholic home. It doesn't leave Church with us. It stays there and we don't talk about it. 2. Pre-Teen: I'm going through the Catholic motions as my nominally-Catholic parents are making me do it. I still don't understand it, and it's not coming home with me. 3. Early Teen: I am Spiritually hungry. I know some Christians in other denominations who seem serious about their faith. They invited me to their stuff and it seems more alive to me. 4. Late Teen Early Adult: I'm leaving the Catholic Church. I don't get anything out of it like I do at First (Second, Third, Fourth) Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, Lutheran Church (or Wave, Skyline, Mill Creek, Light House fellowship). The REAL Christians are in this Church. 5. Early Adult: Not only am I NOT Catholic anymore, but WOW! My new Church (Southpoint, Freewill Baptist, Cornerstone Lutheran, Hillcrest Presbyterian, IGNITE Fellowship, etc.) has helped me to see that Catholicism is actually NOT Christian at all. I was deceived. Now my mission is to get as many Catholics out of it as I can. Next month we're taking a mission trip to Mexico to save the Catholics and spread our novel version of North American Protestant Evangelicalism (complete with skits and motions) with the folks down there who worship Mary and the Pope. 6. Adult to Old Age: Hey, I was raised Catholic, and boy, let me tell you (as a former insider and expert) what is rrreeeaaaallly going on over there (insert 7-10 typical caricatures, myths, rumors, hoaxes, exaggerations, memes, canards, and insufferable mischaracterizations here). In reality, most of these folks have "arrested development" regarding Catholicism, grew up in homes with parents who were not devout (no matter what they tell you), and listened to non-Catholics tell them that it's because Catholicism = bad. It's so tragic. Having pastored many many many of these folks, and conversed with several of them (through their tears and anger) when they heard I was becoming Catholic, I am more convinced than ever that there is solid data here.
@@KennyBurchard Brilliant! Your little summary there could be, and probably is a whole book, by scores of "Catholic experts." But what is curious is after they attend and leave all those dozens of other churches, they never refer to themselves as "ex-JimBob ministries" do they? The only one they carry for life is ex-Catholic. There's some deep psychology there that I can't put my finger on. Accept that as everybody knows, ex-Catholic gives you street cred.
@@bazzy8376 Yep. Excellent point. I was telling Doug Beaumont recently that often my FIRST question to an ex/expert Catholic who gives me the "I now go to a REAL Christian Church" is -- "Is it the same one you were going to when you left Catholicism?" The answer is almost ALWAYS: NO! And they will give reasons for why some of the churches they got involved in were "in error" and they had to leave those too. "Are you in the same denomination you were in after leaving Catholicism" is a very early question in my dialogue with ex/expert Catholics now. They continue to jump around and we often discover that they, themselves, are the arbiters of their own preferred theological convictions and "essentials." That is -- they are the pope of their own Christianity (though they often say they're just following Jesus). What they are actually doing is following their auto-curated (self-made) version of a "christianity" (for there are innumerable christianities in protestantism) that they can agree with. Feel free to use whatever you like. PEACE!
@@bazzy8376 When I was in seminary, many of my fellow seminarians fell into a tribe of Anti-Credal - Anti-Confessional Christianity in favor of the moniker of "Red Letter Christians" and "Jesus Followers" who did not subscribe to any credal statements. On deep inspection I discovered that they all had one thing in common; they all agreed that there wasn't anyone (they thought) who had any authority to say which one of the creeds or confessions was "best" or "most correct" or "binding on all believers" so they just chucked it all and set out on their own. THAT is the quintessential protestant impulse. The presupposition behind it all is this; Jesus didn't found ONE visible Church and he didn't invest that Church with his teaching authority. Rather, Jesus gave us a book -- and the most important part of the book is the places where the ink is red.
Very excellent presentation my Catholic brother Kenny,for I can testify to what you’ve presented in your video about cradle Catholics who claim they did this or that when they were born into the Catholic Church as an infant and went through an early stage of childhood to learn the Catholic faith but stopped for whatever reason and left the Catholic Church at a certain age,now I can testify for myself that I was the same way raised in the Catholic Church but even though I didn’t learn much of the church teachings from a very young age and was totally unfaithful and disobedient to the Catholic Church for several decades some how I never left it and am now for these past two decades have’d been helped by a very overwhelming power of guidance from above to learn and find understanding of what the Catholic Church teaches.And I can say this that now that I’m back working hard to learn of how to understand and be faithful to God I find myself irresistibly attached to the Catholic Church of Traditional Teachings and Worship.Alleluia Amen Deo Gratis 🙏🐑🕊️✨🔥
I liked the subject you chose, especially when you mentioned the scholars/theologians who converted to Catholicism. More power to you and your ministry!
I want to say when I first heard anti catholic attacks I responded as young 10 year old at the time speaking up for my mum who I loved and was Catholic.True Catholicism produces very holy people not least of all my mum.No Pentecostal,Baptist or Protestant could compare.
I find that former Catholics on YT and elsewhere are poorly catechized in Church teachings, and have been fed a lot of untrue, anti-Catholic information. In some instances I really can't believe they were, in fact, ever Catholic.
Kenny is right about a 12-year-old understanding interfering with a full understanding of the Catholic Faith. It is a normal stage of adolescent growth to question one's earlier self. It is necessary for each of us to make our own, what we were taught. This was the age that Ignatius of Loyola became worldly. And Teresa of Avila lost her early fervor. This is the age that Therese of Lisieux chose to become a saint.
I was Baptized Catholic as an infant. I was Catechized, before and after Confirmation. People consider me an expert. And what I have to say is: Converts existing really help when I have difficulties with God, a la Area of Effect Attack but with God's Blessing and Grace. It is like stopping a family fight when a neighbor visits. After 45 years I am still Catholic . Meeting converts help remind us cradle Catholics how nice and good our Church really is. I bet many converts think the conversion is only about their own salvation, the help us too. Sincerely in Xto (Christo) * Mike B. B. From Philly, P.A. U.S.A. P.S. Welcome Home Mr Burchard. *I believe I can send You the 1906 book I got that sign out from. Yes 06 not 60.
What Protestants don't understand about themselves is that need good preaching.They are emotionaly manipulated by good preaching . A Protestant pastor has to be like a good politician, or he want have a Job.
To be honest Catechesis has not been great and many of the Catholics I know who are currently practicing are either Converts or reverts who basically taught themselves Catholicism as adults. I fall into the latter category.
In order to receive the sacraments a Catholic child is given the education, or at least the opportunity to learn about the faith. What they do with it afterwards in their lives is largely up to them.
@@Kitiwake but parishes are huge, priests and deacons are soo few. Its great that we have new deacons now bu t before theyre all guys totong ther kids during mass.
I'm a cradle Catholic 😁 It's the biggest gift that I have received from my parents it's an honor 🙏 Thank you Jesus for the gift for his Church I could Never Even be a protester I would be so unhappy and mad if I would have been born Protester 😬 I don't understand Protestants
I also see atheists all the time who lay claim to being experts on Christian religion and scripture on the same exact basis of being born to Christian parents or growing up in a Christian family, perhaps also being in church all that while. They'll also say they never actually understood what was going, or what Christianity is actually about all the time. But now, they are adults, and have read a few books published by a handful of controversial university philosophy professors, which have proven conclusively that all religious belief is absolute nonsense. How smart!
Yep, it's the same tactic. But it cuts both ways. I can say: "I was an atheist and I now believe atheism is wrong because ______. Now I'm a Christian."
I've seen it over and over and over again. Some of the people I've known the longest who are former Catholics present themselves as experts at Catholicism, and many of them left their under-formed or malformed Catholic faith (or some version of it mis-modeled for them by their parents) as teens -- but they know it's not true and can tell you why.
Those who condemn the bad behavior of the Church are only identifying their own broken human nature. Everyone in Ravi Zacharias' congregation felt as perfect as the pastor. Until....
I joined the Church in ‘97 as an adult. It took a few years of spiritual warfare, but I finally figured out that some of the LEAST educated people on the Catholic Church are people who were “raised” Catholic. It’s a Good Rule of Thumb, NEVER ask a Catholic/ex-Catholic about Catholic Church teaching, they likely will be wrong if you do.
I was born and raised Catholic, left for awhile and came home 24 years ago. Even when I answer a nonCatholic or an antiCatholic I consult a good, orthodox Catholic source first.
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You make an excellent point: if we only pay attention to the people who left a religious tradition we will inevitably find only the negatives. You could probably find a bunch of people with negative experiences of Protestant churches who would say "stay away from those Protestants". No religion is going to succeed in every one of its followers, unfortunately.
I have known two ex-Catholics who both fit in exactly as you described as the ex-Catholic meme that left the CC in their young adulthood for a Protestantism brand that was especially anti Catholic. So much so, and throughout their lives they define their faith as the true faith especially by use of placing in perspective to theirs the " false gospel of the Catholics". And so they preach. I have noted that both these individuals have a similar personality most likely very independent of their spiritual beliefs. I have known them for a period of perhaps twenty yrs. I have listened to their testimonies and have paid attention in how they interact with others generally. They are quick to label others as fools and proceed to badger "these fools" for the sport of it as if it builds them up and the idea that they could be fools in turn is more foreign or remote to them than pigs giving birth to calves. They are both set of proving themselves by spiritual axes to grind accompanied by poor social skills. Both suffer from "I'm a teacher and therefore I know what I'm talking about..."as sufficient authority to be ignorant and abusive of others. Their world revolves around "Me" and "my kind". All others are of no account. And so such personalities have latched on to being ex-Catholic and having no Charity, none!, zero! for Catholics. They are now somebodies that stand by being against others in order to point out that others are so unlike themselves as to be made nobodies in the name of the Gospel as they understand it. Note: It is almost as if their personalities were predestined to be anti-Catholic, Catholics who's vast communion they might subconsciously envy having personalities that were less popular in young adulthood compared to others who could easily make friends. :)
It’s sad. There is a culture of this among many ex Catholics. They make it their ministry and personality to destroy the Church of Jesus thinking they are doing God a favor.
I would take people complaining about bad experiences ruining things for them seriously if they applied it to secular (or protestant) institutions they go to. But usually it's just neurotic people who conform to a new order and want to justify their feelings. You should always recognize that every organization has bad eggs and also that God can do good through evil people. It makes no sense to do evil because leaders did evil to you rather you should stay stalwart in the faith of hardship
I've always been irritated by the fawning people do over "Ex-" whatevers. No longer being X does not make you an expert on X, nor (worse) an expert on non-X.
It is interesting. Ex-Catholics are also the most hateful of the Church. Not every one of them but then you get one who comes out and is just mean. Not even attacking the Church but attacking the believers.
Sadly, they learn this from ex or anti Catholic pastors (I was one) and rather than seeing their own spiritual immaturity as something they are also responsible for they blame the Church. But look at the Saints!!! What made them different?
@lois2997 I'm glad I wasn't the only one. However Kenny gave some great insight about Paul doing things in the temple for reconciliation or being a temple worker. I need to rewarch this tonight and read through everything but I still think it brings up a good point. Paul is administering reconciliation in these regards and not just Jesus. Now I may be saying this wrong but when I read it again I will jump in with my full understanding of Kenny's teaching and ultimately the Churches.
So if I moved to another country at the age of 12 and became a citizen there, I could go on news shows later in life as an expert on American political issues?
Bible christian society, Newsletter #456 paragraph 6, Mike Gendron is asked if he divorced his wife in 1982 and remarried in 1984. and asked if that is why he left the church. (A friend of John Martignoni sent him Texas record).
I did everything Catholic all the way through weekly religion classes through the 12th grade in school. I left after that following my mom saying (when I asked why she believes it all) just by blind faith. This was 1979 when there was folk masses and priests in sandals at my upstate NY Catholic Church. I didn’t know squat really, about much of anything much less Catholicism. I did know a bit about music and just focused on that in life (and stayed in school). 20 years later, I came back to church via an encounter with evangelicalism. Then, after a bit of study, began to be interested in the Catholic Church again. 20 years after that, now I am on the fence trying to understand how so many brilliant Christian researchers come to opposite conclusions on the great 16th century divide (take Gavin Ortlund and Joe Heshmyer for example). Honestly, the maddening back and forth at times threatens throwing the baby out with the bath water so to speak. How can all these problems be?
Welcome, David. Before I was ever Catholic (I was evangelical/pentecostal for 33 years), I can remember being frustrated about why there were so many Christians who all claimed to follow the Bible, but then they all interpreted it differently and came to wildly different conclusions. For the longest time I supposed that this was just "how it was" and that even God himself wanted it that way. What I discovered was that it was something else -- and this "something else" was warned about all through Church history, beginning with warnings from the Apostles themselves in the New Testament. An author who helped me put it all together was Dr. Brad S.. Gregory, who is a Church Historian and professor at Notre Dame. He wrote one of the most important books I have read on the "BUT WHY? -- BUT HOW?" questions. It's called "The Unintended Reformation." And it is a sweeping study of what has happened in the West over the past 500 years since Luther's "FIVE SOLAS" took root in the minds of untold numbers of people. In particular, his SOLA FIDE (Faith Alone), Dr. Gregory demonstrates, had the effect of radically individualizing a faith that was once held in common so that people now talk about "my faith" vs. "the faith." But very related to this is another of Luther's "solas" - namely, "Sola Scriptura" and very related to this, what John Wesley calls the "Pillar of the Reformation" which is "the right of private judgment." The right of private judgment gives each individual believer the right, prerogative, and even responsibility of interpreting the Bible for himself/herself, regardless of what any authoritative church might say it means. It also gave rise to Luther deciding that he didn't like entire texts of Scripture that had always been in the Christian Bible for 1,200 years -- and removing them. When each person has his own faith, his own interpretations of the Bible, and even the power to remove books of his own accord, very very very smart and devout people will come to very different conclusions, and will believe they have the right and responsiblity to act on those conclusions -- and will believe that in so doing, they are simply being faithful to God. In this way, Luther opened a door he cold not close behind him. He took to himself the right of private judgment, convinced millions of Christians that they had the same right, and -- like a shattered pane of safety glass -- millions and millions of Christians have created innumerable versions of Christianity. This pervasive notion, as Dr. Gregory shows in his scholarly work, also accounts for radical secularization, moral relativism, pluralism, and even (as we now see) the entire framework of epistemology moving from the realm of objectivity and science to subjectivity and feelings. "I feel like a man, though I have a woman's body," etc. etc. It is, in this cultural milieu, that a new kind of DOGMA has arisen and given way to the "Unintended Reformation" (back to Gregory's book) that Luther never imagined. He, and his ideas, have created the avalanche of confusion, subjectivity, and in some cases, insanity that we now have because the question of authority has moved from a Church founded by Jesus, to an individual person and his or her faith -- alone.
Gavin's play is to try to discredit Catholic theology by trying to plant a "reasonable doubt" about Catholic dogma particularly, and which has been overturned by people like Joe and others. Not that a reasonable doubt is good enough to overthrow established Catholic theology in any event.
As a protestant pastor he was a trained expert in protestant theology (at least one or more forms of that), and so was fully informed about what he was leaving and what he was converting to. In my experience ex-Catholics were never experts in Catholic theology--in fact they know very little of it.
No, it's not the same thing. I'll echo the other reply here - Kenny was a pastor, not some random pew sitter who slept through Sunday sermons and never attended a Bible study. He's speaking from a place of authority that the vast majority of former Catholics don't have. The majority of former Catholics never took hold of their faith in a personal manner and learned on anything but a surface level (if that). We can know this because of the incredibly basic errors they make about the Catholic faith when "refuting" it - things that can be found easily in the catechism with about two seconds of effort. If they are making such basic errors in facts (not even touching on their opinions), then we can see plainly they never took responsibility for their own learning. Also, Kenny doesn't make a habit of "well I was a protestant pastor" as a meme....he mostly brings it up when it's relevant to a mistake he made in his role as teacher in those years he was a pastor. He's attempting to undo some of the spiritual damage he created.
Politics seems to be rampant in Protestant evangelical church. Hopefully it stays there. Otherwise why need church when there is Fox News. Church should be not worldly but transcending.
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I block trolls. Irenic or serious comments and questions are 100% welcome. One strike rule. You troll, you magically and instantly disappear as soon as I see the comment.
Keep going to mass Kenny, and keep Christ in the centre of your heart and mind. GOD BLESS. PAX.
Do you block goblins?
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@@KennyBurchard keep white good work Kenny..God bless you..greetings from Croatia
Sorry, wanted to put this here.
I’m a convert (2008) whose main goal in catechizing youth at our parish is to make sure they don’t misunderstand and then fall away. I truly believe that anyone who understands the sacraments could never walk away, regardless of boredom or offense, which are two common complaints. The sacraments are so rooted in our salvation, through grace, that we can’t live without them! Thank you for bringing this topic to bear.
Keep up the good work
@@frederickanderson1860 what is your denomination?
Thank you. This has to be said. Catholics who understand that Jesus has not left us orphaned, but comes to us in the Eucharist, cannot leave the Church.
I just saw a baseball player coming in from a home run, make the sign of the cross in gratitude.
We have had that is the Catholic Church great converts who were Protestants like Steve Ray, Scott Hahn, Tim Staples and many more and yourself Kenny we as Catholics are lucky to have you in Jesus Christ Holy Catholic Church.
Thanks John
Luck is a pagan idea
@@Kitiwake outside the Catholic Church is pagan
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Kenny, you made me think maybe I do the same meme concerning my previous Baptist faith but I have listened to Protestant pastors, etc. state what their faiths believe and teach. I have also listened to what Catholicism believes and teaches from Catholics. The tie breaker for me are the early church writings. They not only agree with Catholicism, they were all Catholics themselves because it was the only faith that sprang from the Apostolic period. There simply was no other church or faith. Thanks for your drive time talks.
This is outstanding. Whenever I hear, “I used to be Catholic but…” it’s never a dull moment.
Thanks for this episode. I just referenced it on Allie Beth Stuckey’s page. She had Mike Genderon on “exposing” the Catholic Church. I think this episode pegged him very well. He has been debunked many many times.
Thank you again.
Well, they'll be coming for me then. HA!
@@KennyBurchard isn’t there a saying, “All publicity is good publicity?” 😇😉😆
Mike Genderon's rhetoric is precisely what Allie Beth believes about the church. A refusal to submit to authority is generally disguised as a "love of scripture" - "I love scripture too much to have it interpreted for me".
@@ekatrinya It is love of self.
@@KennyBurchard Allie Beth had Trent Horn on her channel once. He was very patient with her and brought her very close to accepting the Catholic understanding, before she pulled back. Please keep her in your prayers.
You did it again!!! Made a charitable but revealing exposition on why former Catholics and now anti-Catholics cannot hold a credible testimony to what Catholicism is about. We pray for their healing and reversion. We also look to authentic sources of Catholicism spanning 2 millennia written by faithful Catholics to learn about Christ’s Church.
Thanks!!
This was the Spiritual Warfare (yes it’s real) used on me after I became Catholic.
For about 7 years, everywhere I went, “Oh I was raised Catholic, if you want to be a REAL Christian….”
Once I started learning the Faith, the attacks stopped. Now I go on the offensive, looking for them to talk to! 😂😂😇🤺⚔️
Thank you!
I'm an ex-Protestant. I left Protestantism after 55 years because God showed me it's errors. He's been showing me the errors for 30 years prior and I never listened to Him. Finally, He showed me the one false teaching that would get my attention and it did, I left my church the following week. I didn't go to any church for about 8 weeks. I spent my time in prayer reading scripture and reading things like the early church fathers and what various churches teach. I came away that the Bible (my Protestant Bible) shows Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church. The early church fathers show Catholic beliefs. The beliefs of today's Catholic Church are the same as what the early church fathers wrote about. When I mentioned it to my wife, she said she always wanted to be Catholic. Which was a relief. So we both sign up for RCIA but she had to file for an annulment from her first marriage. I was allowed to be confirmed before the annulment, in 2020. She had to wait until 2021 when she received her annulment. After a month of marriage prep using a video series on Formed, she was confirmed at a daily mass then our marriage was convalidated.
I enjoyed my life as a Protestant. I was an ordained elder and thought I was serving the Lord. I had no desire of leaving my church. But when God speaks to you, you listen. As a Catholic, it does upset me that my church taught things not supported by scripture. I try to teach what is correct to Protestants on social media if they will listen. Most are trolls and just want to argue. People like that I pray for.
Wow! What a journey! That’s powerful! Your wife being ready to just become Catholic is somewhat miraculous! Bless you both!❤️🙏🏻
History! Reveals truth and condemns innovation.
Ex catholics say they don’t get anything g from the mass. That it’s boring and does not make them “feel good”. Maybe it’s not about you feeling good and what you can “get” from your time there. Maybe it’s about Jesus, not you.
There's no "maybe" about it.
Its totally about Jesus.
That includes reference to TLM advocates.
The mass isn't about them.
@@Kitiwake , that's precisely why people love the TLM because to us it is more about Jesus and less about "the audience".
@@kathleenrawner573 it's about them and their preferences.
The choice of the liturgy is purely and totally a matter for the curia.
My favorite answer for that is "I wonder if Jesus got anything from the cross?"
Our standards are the saints
I left the Catholic Church for 10 years only because social aspects were better in protestant churches. I never hated on Catholics though.. I was under the belief though that all churches were the same as long as you believed in God.I came back after experiencing untruths and hatred for the Catholic Church from a pastor I would follow including if you are catholic you are going to hell. I am a proud catholic now and am home to stay.
New subs here Kenny. Enjoyed your Marian sessions with Matt and Ken at the Coming Home Network. God bless.
On topic, those Catholics who fell out of the faith was not able to really dig deep to know what the church truly teaches. Otherwise, they would have not taken the leap. I'm a cradle Catholic and to be honest, the pandemic made me dig deeper than I could ever have through the years. What sustained me is the parish life to which I have immersed myself in my younger years. Keep doing what you are doing. You are helping a lot of Catholics and non Catholics alike for sure
I’d like to hear out the ex-Catholic then show them what the Catholic Church actually believes and Whom they left.
Without knowing, they lived out John 6:66.
Ex-Catholic: I’m worse than a reformed smoker. Let me tell you how bad the Catholic Church is.
Me: It’s better for your health to start smoking immediately and return to the Catholic Church than to have healthier lungs but spew out lies about Jesus’ One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Thank God I'm a cradle Catholic, Love my faith
And I know how to defend my faith with the Bible
My Nextdoor neighbor stopped talking to me because I will respond back with the Bible all her attacks about the Catholic Church, I don't understand why If they say only the Bible and we respond with the Bible they don't like it they don't accepted
I'm confused 😕🤔
Awesome! Keep going! Take her to Mass and ask her to try to make a note of every time a biblical phrase is used, and whether or not they read as much Bible in her Church as you do.
"I'm was raised Catholic, then...." translation: "I failed to comprehend Catholicism, therefore I will find a way to prove it wrong."
Yeah, I find, mostly, that former Catholics (who present themselves as expert Catholics) often have a similarly-evolved experience of Catholicism that generally goes like this...
1. Early Childhood: I'm being raised in a nominally Catholic home. It doesn't leave Church with us. It stays there and we don't talk about it.
2. Pre-Teen: I'm going through the Catholic motions as my nominally-Catholic parents are making me do it. I still don't understand it, and it's not coming home with me.
3. Early Teen: I am Spiritually hungry. I know some Christians in other denominations who seem serious about their faith. They invited me to their stuff and it seems more alive to me.
4. Late Teen Early Adult: I'm leaving the Catholic Church. I don't get anything out of it like I do at First (Second, Third, Fourth) Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, Lutheran Church (or Wave, Skyline, Mill Creek, Light House fellowship). The REAL Christians are in this Church.
5. Early Adult: Not only am I NOT Catholic anymore, but WOW! My new Church (Southpoint, Freewill Baptist, Cornerstone Lutheran, Hillcrest Presbyterian, IGNITE Fellowship, etc.) has helped me to see that Catholicism is actually NOT Christian at all. I was deceived. Now my mission is to get as many Catholics out of it as I can. Next month we're taking a mission trip to Mexico to save the Catholics and spread our novel version of North American Protestant Evangelicalism (complete with skits and motions) with the folks down there who worship Mary and the Pope.
6. Adult to Old Age: Hey, I was raised Catholic, and boy, let me tell you (as a former insider and expert) what is rrreeeaaaallly going on over there (insert 7-10 typical caricatures, myths, rumors, hoaxes, exaggerations, memes, canards, and insufferable mischaracterizations here).
In reality, most of these folks have "arrested development" regarding Catholicism, grew up in homes with parents who were not devout (no matter what they tell you), and listened to non-Catholics tell them that it's because Catholicism = bad. It's so tragic.
Having pastored many many many of these folks, and conversed with several of them (through their tears and anger) when they heard I was becoming Catholic, I am more convinced than ever that there is solid data here.
@@KennyBurchard Brilliant! Your little summary there could be, and probably is a whole book, by scores of "Catholic experts."
But what is curious is after they attend and leave all those dozens of other churches, they never refer to themselves as "ex-JimBob ministries" do they? The only one they carry for life is ex-Catholic. There's some deep psychology there that I can't put my finger on. Accept that as everybody knows, ex-Catholic gives you street cred.
@@bazzy8376 Yep. Excellent point. I was telling Doug Beaumont recently that often my FIRST question to an ex/expert Catholic who gives me the "I now go to a REAL Christian Church" is -- "Is it the same one you were going to when you left Catholicism?" The answer is almost ALWAYS: NO! And they will give reasons for why some of the churches they got involved in were "in error" and they had to leave those too. "Are you in the same denomination you were in after leaving Catholicism" is a very early question in my dialogue with ex/expert Catholics now. They continue to jump around and we often discover that they, themselves, are the arbiters of their own preferred theological convictions and "essentials." That is -- they are the pope of their own Christianity (though they often say they're just following Jesus). What they are actually doing is following their auto-curated (self-made) version of a "christianity" (for there are innumerable christianities in protestantism) that they can agree with.
Feel free to use whatever you like. PEACE!
@@bazzy8376 When I was in seminary, many of my fellow seminarians fell into a tribe of Anti-Credal - Anti-Confessional Christianity in favor of the moniker of "Red Letter Christians" and "Jesus Followers" who did not subscribe to any credal statements. On deep inspection I discovered that they all had one thing in common; they all agreed that there wasn't anyone (they thought) who had any authority to say which one of the creeds or confessions was "best" or "most correct" or "binding on all believers" so they just chucked it all and set out on their own. THAT is the quintessential protestant impulse. The presupposition behind it all is this; Jesus didn't found ONE visible Church and he didn't invest that Church with his teaching authority. Rather, Jesus gave us a book -- and the most important part of the book is the places where the ink is red.
@@KennyBurchard O love that question. It's so telling. I'll use it.
Very excellent presentation my Catholic brother Kenny,for I can testify to what you’ve presented in your video about cradle Catholics who claim they did this or that when they were born into the Catholic Church as an infant and went through an early stage of childhood to learn the Catholic faith but stopped for whatever reason and left the Catholic Church at a certain age,now I can testify for myself that I was the same way raised in the Catholic Church but even though I didn’t learn much of the church teachings from a very young age and was totally unfaithful and disobedient to the Catholic Church for several decades some how I never left it and am now for these past two decades have’d been helped by a very overwhelming power of guidance from above to learn and find understanding of what the Catholic Church teaches.And I can say this that now that I’m back working hard to learn of how to understand and be faithful to God I find myself irresistibly attached to the Catholic Church of Traditional Teachings and Worship.Alleluia Amen Deo Gratis 🙏🐑🕊️✨🔥
I liked the subject you chose, especially when you mentioned the scholars/theologians who converted to Catholicism. More power to you and your ministry!
I want to say when I first heard anti catholic attacks I responded as young 10 year old at the time speaking up for my mum who I loved and was Catholic.True Catholicism produces very holy people not least of all my mum.No Pentecostal,Baptist or Protestant could compare.
I find that former Catholics on YT and elsewhere are poorly catechized in Church teachings, and have been fed a lot of untrue, anti-Catholic information. In some instances I really can't believe they were, in fact, ever Catholic.
That has been my observation too
Honestly, a good percentage of them must be plain old liars. The tales they spin...
Kenny is right about a 12-year-old understanding interfering with a full understanding of the Catholic Faith.
It is a normal stage of adolescent growth to question one's earlier self. It is necessary for each of us to make our own, what we were taught. This was the age that Ignatius of Loyola became worldly. And Teresa of Avila lost her early fervor. This is the age that Therese of Lisieux chose to become a saint.
I was Baptized Catholic as an infant.
I was Catechized, before and after Confirmation.
People consider me an expert.
And what I have to say is:
Converts existing really help when I have difficulties with God, a la Area of Effect Attack but with God's Blessing and Grace.
It is like stopping a family fight when a neighbor visits.
After 45 years I am still Catholic .
Meeting converts help remind us cradle Catholics how nice and good our Church really is.
I bet many converts think the conversion is only about their own salvation, the help us too.
Sincerely in Xto (Christo) *
Mike B. B. From Philly, P.A. U.S.A. P.S. Welcome Home Mr Burchard.
*I believe I can send You the 1906 book I got that sign out from. Yes 06 not 60.
What Protestants don't understand about themselves is that need good preaching.They are emotionaly manipulated by good preaching . A Protestant pastor has to be like a good politician, or he want have a Job.
it's not good preaching, it's rethorical fireworks
I like the your description
Awesome videos brother God Bless you . Welcome Home !!!
@@AgapeJiuJitsu-nz4vj thanks!!
Well said, excellent monologue. Really mind-opening, Kenny. Thank you very much.
To be honest Catechesis has not been great and many of the Catholics I know who are currently practicing are either Converts or reverts who basically taught themselves Catholicism as adults. I fall into the latter category.
Very true! We are trying to change this but it is a long process.
In order to receive the sacraments a Catholic child is given the education, or at least the opportunity to learn about the faith.
What they do with it afterwards in their lives is largely up to them.
@@Kitiwake but parishes are huge, priests and deacons are soo few. Its great that we have new deacons now bu t before theyre all guys totong ther kids during mass.
I'm a cradle Catholic 😁
It's the biggest gift that I have received from my parents it's an honor 🙏 Thank you Jesus for the gift for his Church
I could Never Even be a protester I would be so unhappy and mad if I would have been born Protester 😬 I don't understand Protestants
@@almarodriguez298 watch my video "The Protestant Reflex" to understand more
I also see atheists all the time who lay claim to being experts on Christian religion and scripture on the same exact basis of being born to Christian parents or growing up in a Christian family, perhaps also being in church all that while. They'll also say they never actually understood what was going, or what Christianity is actually about all the time. But now, they are adults, and have read a few books published by a handful of controversial university philosophy professors, which have proven conclusively that all religious belief is absolute nonsense. How smart!
Good point
Yep, it's the same tactic. But it cuts both ways. I can say: "I was an atheist and I now believe atheism is wrong because ______. Now I'm a Christian."
New to your podcast. I really enjoyed this episode.
Mike Gendron comes to mind.
He's the embodiment of the typical dishonest ex Catholic.
Yes! All one has to be is at one time had a label of "Catholic" and suddenly they're an expert on every facet of the Church.
I've seen it over and over and over again. Some of the people I've known the longest who are former Catholics present themselves as experts at Catholicism, and many of them left their under-formed or malformed Catholic faith (or some version of it mis-modeled for them by their parents) as teens -- but they know it's not true and can tell you why.
Those who condemn the bad behavior of the Church are only identifying their own broken human nature. Everyone in Ravi Zacharias' congregation felt as perfect as the pastor. Until....
I joined the Church in ‘97 as an adult. It took a few years of spiritual warfare, but I finally figured out that some of the LEAST educated people on the Catholic Church are people who were “raised” Catholic. It’s a Good Rule of Thumb, NEVER ask a Catholic/ex-Catholic about Catholic Church teaching, they likely will be wrong if you do.
And they NEVER ask a convert.
I was born and raised Catholic, left for awhile and came home 24 years ago. Even when I answer a nonCatholic or an antiCatholic I consult a good, orthodox Catholic source first.
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Very fair assessment
You make an excellent point: if we only pay attention to the people who left a religious tradition we will inevitably find only the negatives. You could probably find a bunch of people with negative experiences of Protestant churches who would say "stay away from those Protestants". No religion is going to succeed in every one of its followers, unfortunately.
I have known two ex-Catholics who both fit in exactly as you described as the ex-Catholic meme that left the CC in their young adulthood for a Protestantism brand that was especially anti Catholic. So much so, and throughout their lives they define their faith as the true faith especially by use of placing in perspective to theirs the " false gospel of the Catholics". And so they preach. I have noted that both these individuals have a similar personality most likely very independent of their spiritual beliefs. I have known them for a period of perhaps twenty yrs. I have listened to their testimonies and have paid attention in how they interact with others generally. They are quick to label others as fools and proceed to badger "these fools" for the sport of it as if it builds them up and the idea that they could be fools in turn is more foreign or remote to them than pigs giving birth to calves. They are both set of proving themselves by spiritual axes to grind accompanied by poor social skills. Both suffer from "I'm a teacher and therefore I know what I'm talking about..."as sufficient authority to be ignorant and abusive of others. Their world revolves around "Me" and "my kind". All others are of no account. And so such personalities have latched on to being ex-Catholic and having no Charity, none!, zero! for Catholics. They are now somebodies that stand by being against others in order to point out that others are so unlike themselves as to be made nobodies in the name of the Gospel as they understand it. Note: It is almost as if their personalities were predestined to be anti-Catholic, Catholics who's vast communion they might subconsciously envy having personalities that were less popular in young adulthood compared to others who could easily make friends. :)
It’s sad. There is a culture of this among many ex Catholics. They make it their ministry and personality to destroy the Church of Jesus thinking they are doing God a favor.
Very good point.
I would take people complaining about bad experiences ruining things for them seriously if they applied it to secular (or protestant) institutions they go to. But usually it's just neurotic people who conform to a new order and want to justify their feelings. You should always recognize that every organization has bad eggs and also that God can do good through evil people. It makes no sense to do evil because leaders did evil to you rather you should stay stalwart in the faith of hardship
Some times those people where never Catholics but feel that their comments have more weight if they act as they Catholics
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I've always been irritated by the fawning people do over "Ex-" whatevers. No longer being X does not make you an expert on X, nor (worse) an expert on non-X.
exactly, like being divorced does not make you a marriage expert.
It is interesting. Ex-Catholics are also the most hateful of the Church. Not every one of them but then you get one who comes out and is just mean. Not even attacking the Church but attacking the believers.
Sadly, they learn this from ex or anti Catholic pastors (I was one) and rather than seeing their own spiritual immaturity as something they are also responsible for they blame the Church. But look at the Saints!!! What made them different?
I noticed that too
@lois2997 I'm glad I wasn't the only one. However Kenny gave some great insight about Paul doing things in the temple for reconciliation or being a temple worker. I need to rewarch this tonight and read through everything but I still think it brings up a good point. Paul is administering reconciliation in these regards and not just Jesus. Now I may be saying this wrong but when I read it again I will jump in with my full understanding of Kenny's teaching and ultimately the Churches.
So if I moved to another country at the age of 12 and became a citizen there, I could go on news shows later in life as an expert on American political issues?
Nailed it!!!
Couldn’t have said it better
Bible christian society, Newsletter #456 paragraph 6, Mike Gendron is asked if he divorced his wife in 1982 and remarried in 1984. and asked if that is why he left the church. (A friend of John Martignoni sent him Texas record).
I did everything Catholic all the way through weekly religion classes through the 12th grade in school. I left after that following my mom saying (when I asked why she believes it all) just by blind faith. This was 1979 when there was folk masses and priests in sandals at my upstate NY Catholic Church. I didn’t know squat really, about much of anything much less Catholicism. I did know a bit about music and just focused on that in life (and stayed in school). 20 years later, I came back to church
via an encounter with evangelicalism. Then, after a bit of study, began to be interested in the Catholic Church again. 20 years after that, now I am on the fence trying to understand how so many brilliant Christian researchers come to opposite conclusions on the great 16th century divide (take Gavin Ortlund and Joe Heshmyer for example). Honestly, the maddening back and forth at times threatens throwing the baby out with the bath water so to speak. How can all these problems be?
Welcome, David. Before I was ever Catholic (I was evangelical/pentecostal for 33 years), I can remember being frustrated about why there were so many Christians who all claimed to follow the Bible, but then they all interpreted it differently and came to wildly different conclusions. For the longest time I supposed that this was just "how it was" and that even God himself wanted it that way. What I discovered was that it was something else -- and this "something else" was warned about all through Church history, beginning with warnings from the Apostles themselves in the New Testament. An author who helped me put it all together was Dr. Brad S.. Gregory, who is a Church Historian and professor at Notre Dame. He wrote one of the most important books I have read on the "BUT WHY? -- BUT HOW?" questions. It's called "The Unintended Reformation." And it is a sweeping study of what has happened in the West over the past 500 years since Luther's "FIVE SOLAS" took root in the minds of untold numbers of people. In particular, his SOLA FIDE (Faith Alone), Dr. Gregory demonstrates, had the effect of radically individualizing a faith that was once held in common so that people now talk about "my faith" vs. "the faith." But very related to this is another of Luther's "solas" - namely, "Sola Scriptura" and very related to this, what John Wesley calls the "Pillar of the Reformation" which is "the right of private judgment." The right of private judgment gives each individual believer the right, prerogative, and even responsibility of interpreting the Bible for himself/herself, regardless of what any authoritative church might say it means. It also gave rise to Luther deciding that he didn't like entire texts of Scripture that had always been in the Christian Bible for 1,200 years -- and removing them. When each person has his own faith, his own interpretations of the Bible, and even the power to remove books of his own accord, very very very smart and devout people will come to very different conclusions, and will believe they have the right and responsiblity to act on those conclusions -- and will believe that in so doing, they are simply being faithful to God. In this way, Luther opened a door he cold not close behind him. He took to himself the right of private judgment, convinced millions of Christians that they had the same right, and -- like a shattered pane of safety glass -- millions and millions of Christians have created innumerable versions of Christianity. This pervasive notion, as Dr. Gregory shows in his scholarly work, also accounts for radical secularization, moral relativism, pluralism, and even (as we now see) the entire framework of epistemology moving from the realm of objectivity and science to subjectivity and feelings. "I feel like a man, though I have a woman's body," etc. etc. It is, in this cultural milieu, that a new kind of DOGMA has arisen and given way to the "Unintended Reformation" (back to Gregory's book) that Luther never imagined. He, and his ideas, have created the avalanche of confusion, subjectivity, and in some cases, insanity that we now have because the question of authority has moved from a Church founded by Jesus, to an individual person and his or her faith -- alone.
This is helpful. Thanks you. I’m ordering that book.
Gavin's play is to try to discredit Catholic theology by trying to plant a "reasonable doubt" about Catholic dogma particularly, and which has been overturned by people like Joe and others.
Not that a reasonable doubt is good enough to overthrow established Catholic theology in any event.
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🙂 It can go both ways. Are you not doing the same saying 'I was a protestant pastor?'
He's not bashing Protestantism. That's not his message.
I bet you did not listen to when he had to day
As a protestant pastor he was a trained expert in protestant theology (at least one or more forms of that), and so was fully informed about what he was leaving and what he was converting to. In my experience ex-Catholics were never experts in Catholic theology--in fact they know very little of it.
No, it's not the same thing. I'll echo the other reply here - Kenny was a pastor, not some random pew sitter who slept through Sunday sermons and never attended a Bible study. He's speaking from a place of authority that the vast majority of former Catholics don't have. The majority of former Catholics never took hold of their faith in a personal manner and learned on anything but a surface level (if that). We can know this because of the incredibly basic errors they make about the Catholic faith when "refuting" it - things that can be found easily in the catechism with about two seconds of effort. If they are making such basic errors in facts (not even touching on their opinions), then we can see plainly they never took responsibility for their own learning.
Also, Kenny doesn't make a habit of "well I was a protestant pastor" as a meme....he mostly brings it up when it's relevant to a mistake he made in his role as teacher in those years he was a pastor. He's attempting to undo some of the spiritual damage he created.
NO! He KNOWS Protestantism, fully, and left.
Politics seems to be rampant in Protestant evangelical church.
Hopefully it stays there. Otherwise why need church when there is Fox News.
Church should be not worldly but transcending.
Ex catholic are rather worst.