Yes! I have performed this procedure, and adjusted valve lash, and replaced all 4 wheels, on my Honda lawnmower that is now in its 22nd year of service. Absolutely worth the tedium, especially if you divide the hours of maintenance by the years of service. Also, I looked at new lawnmowers and not only were they very expensive, most of their parts are plastic now (mine is still an all metal version, even the transmission), and most have safety features that add unnecessary complexity to the design. I decided it was far preferable to perform heavy maintenance on mine instead of replacing it. I have only ever owned two lawn mowers in my adult life (the other was a Lawn Boy that lasted 9 years - I repalced it because I hated the two cycle engine - I could have fixed it but went to the Honda to have a four cycle upgrade in 1999). Great video - I needed it to see which direction to reinstall the drive gears, I forgot to take a picture as I disassembled them... Keep up the great work!
This is definitely the Achilles heel for these mowers. I've had to rebuild mine 2 or 3 times in the last 5 years. Always the same issue with the spring loaded key seizing or the pinion gears wearing excessively (yours also looks well worn, so replace them if you also buy new rear wheels). One thing I would add is that the transmission isn't really sealed for life. A little Googling will help you find the capacity for it. It's normally just 10W30 engine oil. I changed the fluid in mine about a month ago for the first time with no adverse effects. You just need to have the mower upside down to fill it. Open it upside down as well and then use a pail to catch it as you turn the mower over so you can accurately measure how much came out. Compare that with the fluid spec amount you find online especially if it shows signs of leaking.
Good afternoon I just fixed two lawn mowers and one had a broken selfpropel system and a broken carburetor unfortunately. I used this video to help me fix the mowers selfpropel. Thank you great video.
Excellent repair video! Being retired, I wound not hesitate to put in 8 hours on a complicated repair. Of course if was a customer's machine I would not justify the labor charges. For a spring removal tool I use a wire coat hanger that i reshape for added strength and comfort.
One of the best how-to videos I've seen for Honda Harmony II lawnmowers. Mine is an HRT216SDA purchased in May 1999. I need to replace the gear selector cable. Excellent shot composition, lighting, focus and voiceover quality. (Yes, I was a video producer before retiring) Thank you for the very helpful video!
Hello HG, as I’ve mentioned in some of your other videos I have spent well over eight hours on the few repairs that I have done for some of my friends the deal is you drop the mower off and you’ll get it back when I’m done if you expect it done tomorrow you’ve come to the wrong person. I am a very handy person, as I have a mechanical background by watching your videos I have learned a few things. Good job.
I’ll tell all you this , I have two close to the same models. And they both are in need of this exact procedure! It’s going to be a long couple days guys!!! But I do like both….. great video one of the very best Thanks you Sr.
The good thing is that it is rebuildable to functioning like it’s designed to do and wasn’t that expensive doing it..and any time you can keep things out of the landfill, that’s worth a little bit of time in my eyes. Far too many things are ‘throw-away’ and for no good reason other than greed. Have a good one y’all!
I would spend the time, but only because I do small engine repair as a hobby and not to make money from. I sell stuff I rebuild mostly for cost, just because I enjoy doing it. Thanks for your videos, I really enjoy them.
This video saved my $$$. I sprayed WD40 on the rear axles where the riser handles are and I was good to go. I was able to pull the mower backwards and the sel-propel worked again. THANK YOU!
Yes done it several times !! These Honda mowers are very very expensive new the reason being they are a dam good mower I bet that mower you have there will last another 10 years the engine on the other hand will probably last another 30 years I have a Honda Izy thats over 30 years old and still going strong its now on its third deck Nice up load thankyou !!
Like most things, once you've done a repair for the first time subsequent repairs are much quicker and easier to do. Seeing the amount of rust it has I suspect the previous owner(s) left it outside. My 30 year old Honda mower has far less rust than that one and it has never required any repair. They are good durable mowers if looked after properly which includes regular preventative maintenance. That said, excellent explanation on how to do the repair. 👌
I notice this is a very common issue with self propelled mowers...and this is a great/helpful video. However, I think this looks more complicated than a typical homeowner can handle. I suspect that if it takes 8 hours for you - with your expertise - it would take way longer for me (even if I remember to put it back the way it was...video or not). I learned a lot from your videos. Can you please do a video on (seasonal?) preventative maintenance for a self propelled mower especially to ensure that the self-propelled feature continues to work? The whole world will thank you 🙂
you make a good point, however if your labor is cheap, then spend the time. IF on the other hand, you make 30-100 an hour at your job, pay someone else to fix it.
Hot tip for re-assembling these mowers: I've lost many of these bolts because they vibrated loose. Never use lube on the fasteners, use blue Locktite. The locktite will prevent loss of the fasteners and prevent corrosion also. And for the do-it-yourselfers, never disassemble the mower in the grass. That's a guaranteed way to lose fasteners.
The way I determine if it's worth my time is how much do the parts cost. I never include my time when working on anything. I'm retired and I like working on different things and helping friends family and neighbors. I really love watching you work on the drive system. I haven't had the need to work on one yet.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video my mom has a similar lawnmower with transmission problems and this gives me a peek at what I'm into. Your question about the time spent personally I would because I have the time to put into it I'm 60 and kind of retired and mom is 80 and doesn't want to buy another lawnmower but I do understand what you mean about time if you have a shop to make a living or extra money or even a young family ware the time could be better spent. Thank you for your video's Ted
I watched this video for one main reason, and that reason was I knew when you got done those rear wheels still were not going to turn backward. A little background. I've been repairing mowers for a living since 1999. I have replaced many a honda transmission through the years. I never really understood why the wheels would never turn backwards or were very hard to turn. In 2008 the shop I worked for sent me to Nashville for a 5-day honda school. One morning while waiting for the class to start the guy next to me was asking the guy next to him that very question, and he worked at a honda dealership. His answer was they were designed that way. They were designed to pivot as a zero-turn mower does. Made sense to me and believed it to this day.
The only reason I'm replying is that I find that hard to believe. If it was meant as a zero turn then all the self propels would have the front casters. And of those Front castered Honda mowers I've worked on, that one would also roll backwards. My own personal Honda's have all rolled backward with no problem.
darryl thompson ---The main reason the wheels do not pull backwards easily, is because of the terrible design Honda did on the back wheels... Notice, there is nothing, a shield, some axle seals, etc., to keep dirt, grass, moisture, etc., from getting in between that axle bushing and the axle itself.. So, once dirt, moisture, etc., gets in there, on both sides, rust forms, and then for sure, the axles will not turn backwards very well... I have found depending on how much you mow, how wet the grass is, and if you use water to clean off your mower, you can sometimes get more time using it normally or less time, before it starts to bind up again... It was and probably still is, a most awful, careless, design that Honda did to these mowers, and they all have this issue because of that... As much as I like this Honda, I end up not using it because I know it will start binding back there again, and I have to take all that stuff off the rear wheels, clean it all up, polish the axles again, lube a little, (not too much as this also attracts dirt and it sticks there), and I may be good for another season or two.. I will never, ever, buy another Honda mower again because of their ridiculously designed rear axle/adjuster mess.....
Yes, I've spent more time than practicable on repairs for several reasons. One reason is that quitting before fixing means I've wasted the time spent thus far. Also. and maybe more important, is the satisfaction of success. Also the lesson learned will be of future benefit. I use a wire coat hanger to remove and replace springs. It' provides good leverage and is easy to maneuver. Early on I found springs were hard to grip and stretch with pliers, Chanelllocks, etc. I didn't have the benefit of a YT resource to simplify analysis and techniques.
I worked 10 hours today on mine...replaced the blades, belt, back tires, oil, air filter, and polished the axle. It wasn't allowing the mower to freely be pulled backwards. It's about 8 years old, but like new again! Only $40 in parts. Reasons: 1) save $, 2) like the challenge 3) can't see it filling up the landfill and junking up the planet, when it just takes some elbow grease.
Harbor Freight sells several sizes of magnetic metal cups that are not expense. I have 4 as I stop projects usually for parts so just stick the cups on metal for a week or two until I get back working on interrupted projects.
Great video. My HRR216TDA had a "frozen" gear shift cable. It broke the shift lever housing when I forced it. Took me most of the day to take the trans out, clean up the dirt and rust and old grease, and figure out how to remove the cable. Virtually same procedure as you did, just not as smooth and well documented as you had done. Now waiting for parts. Your video will help me put it back together. Thanks.
I think it was worth it to repair the mower !! These mowers, like I mentioned in the last post are close to $500 dollars!! I remember buying a new mtd mower that had a similar deck and everything, but was a push mower for around $95 dollars!! ( it was on sale from $125 dollars! ) it lasted for almost 20 years! Anyway, thanks for the great video!
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Thanks, I couldn't afford a new mower, so, like you, I would fix up one that a neighbor or someone would leave by the curb ! I did, however buy the mid mower brand new! Only mowers that don't hold up are snapper brand, they're heavy and engines don't hold up !
This for sure a week-end Job. 8 hours seems long, but you took your time and was learning in the process. It doesn't seem anyone was doing yearly maintenance to the mower. But in the end, don't you feel proud on what you just achieved? This one is an older Honda. Yes, the new ones cost 1000.00 but my understanding, Honda is going all in on battery powered mowers starting in 2024.
Thanks a lot for this information I have a 215 Masters that is dragging real hard going backwards and even putting strain on the transmission so it was very considerate of you to lift this video for all the rest of us. Thanks again
I’m going have to spend all this time since I wasn’t told that this was broken when buying it used $400 Canadian :( THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND POSTING
Thank you for the video. During the summer and raining season, I would not do any lawn mower repair because I have to cut the grass once per week for two houses.
If u learned ANYTHING the time was well worth it. Do u have any videos dissecting one of these plastic transmissions? I would dig seeing it! Thanks!😎😎✌
Thank you for making this video. To answer your question yes I would spend eight hours to fix my mower because to replace it with a new mower would cost me over $500. I have a Honda push mower which no longer engages the self propel. Simply adjusting the cable did not do the trick so I will be taking it apart checking everything and cleaning it like you showed in the video. I have had mine five or six years and definitely hope to get another five or so out of it. Do you have a favorite reliable source for parts online?
I would use ereplacementparts dot com, put the first part of the model number in the search field, like "hhr216" then look at the last numbers and match it up with comes on the screen, xvaa.. etc.
I know this video is 3 months old, but was at home depot this week and noticed that the Honda mowers are close to $500.00 !! It would be worth it to repair your mower !!
Fantastic Video and great explanation. This is the only video that explains in details about how gear selector cable and self propelled cable works. I didnoot realized all this time that when i start the engine, the pulley in that transmission rotates as well, but the power gets transferred to wheel when i pull the self propelled cable.. just to let you know i dismantle engine and rebuild automotive cars, shame that I didnot know how this works.
You spent 8hrs on this but also did a lot more to the mower then just fix the issue. Probably didn't need to do anymore than free up the adjusters. Did the other things really need to be done? It's always tough to know that answer. This is where we rely on the experience that is gained from working on something for 8hrs and learning. Excellent video!! Thanks for sharing.
I bought a HRR216K5 with smart drive, I believe the transmission worn out, I tested it by engaging the lever, then rotate the engine, the input pulley of the transmission always rotates, the wheel want to move but once I try to force the wheel from moving, the output shaft wont turn, did some research, people mentioned the worn out brass cone, but have no idea how to fix it other than getting a new transmission.
It's good video to watch and learn my John Deer self propeller lawnmower still running for 28 years and never done anything to it. every summer done and throw it in the shed only thing its need oil changed one before the summer.
Yes I have spent 8 hours or more on a mower just because I like to fix them and have nothing else to do, that is IF they are fixable. After fixing them I sell them for any money I put into it and maybe a few bucks more. I do it all the time. Love fixing mowers, weed trimmers and chain saws. Good video BTY.
I would try not to but like you I probably have out of curiosity. This is a great detailed video. The Honda self propelled system is overly complicated in my opinion.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I have had several Hondas with broken or frozen self propelled system. Yes the Troybilt and Toros break too but they are easier to remove IMO and I usually have a spare axle/ tranny around.
HG I was able to fix the rear wheels without removing the gear. Cleaned the wheels and the dirt and old grease from the bolt and those two washers Lubed lubed n lubed. Then put it all back. Rolling backwards and forwards Thank you.
The more complicated the assembly, the longer the diagnosis. It doesn't matter what the brand is.. But in reality.. I like the little challenge.. That's why my 1991 Snapper is still a working mower in my collection.
I just got a free Harmony 215. Manufactured between '88 and '94. It's got a lot wrong with the self-propel system. The engine starts in first pull and the blade engages flawlessly, so I'm going to spend what I have to and keep this relic mowing.
I appreciate this video as I got a free Honda mower with a sketchy transmission with the problems you described. I plan to do it as it seems like a very nice mower and I am cheap. I would just divide the time up into small chunks.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE It all came apart pretty easy. I noticed just needed some gentle cleaning of the bearing that the axle goes in. The cable that controls the speed, was the main problem, as once I got it apart, I noticed it was stuck between gears, and shifting it did nothing as it was seized up. Again thanks for this, it made it easy to follow.
I had a mower last 17 years without an oil change or air filter. It did get blades. Best $280 ever. Now I have a Honda engined Victa mower. It gets serviced.
Very late reply here, but yes I have spent many hours on lawn mowers. But since it's a hobby for me, and I usually give them away to people in need, Well, you get the idea. In fact I just took possession of a mower, with a Briggs engine that has points and condenser. I'm looking forward to that challenge...
I just got mower like this one and she said it needed a cable , welp i so far spent 4hrs befriending it today ( drain oil gas take underside apart to learn that the clutch cable isnt broke it just maybe all stretch out and not getting pulled back far enough to engage gearbox , what a choir so far tho im learning on these and this honda motors last longtime so im gonna get it all working for next season. Hoping tmrw when i get fluids back in it , the clutch cable with engage trans and ill be good to go , Video helps to see everything were as i had a mirror up in there to see how that clutch lever works without dismantling as. You have ,
Welp i can tell the engagement lever is working tho its not turning axel in either of the 3 gears , so im wondering if i just need to tighten up gear shifter cable , thanx for reply
Excellent video, tons of information, but that's a lot of work for me and taking it to the shop might be 200+ is better off to just put 200$ more to buy a new one and call it a day. My Lawn mower it's from 2016, it gave me a good run.
In reference to removing the tension spring with the vise grips another way to remove springs is by a piece of " mule tape pulling line " tied to the 1st coil of the spring NOT the hook end and then with the mower secured you can pull the mule tape line to release the spring just be sure you tide the line to spring coil so it won't come loose when pulling it . I've used this method on many springs on commercial zero turns , residential riders , etc. and you can repeat in order to reconnect the springs . Be safe !
I'd guess that about 99% of the general public have never heard of Muletape nor would they know anyone to aquire a small length of it from. I have a spool of 1800 lb Muletape and I always give some to friends because of its many uses.
My mower did not reverse and the self propelled was not working at all, after looking and assessing my only problem with the self propelled was the tensioner cable, I readjusted the nut and spin the adjuster and this fix the problem immediately the reverse got fix and the self propelled is stronger and faster.👍🏼
For my third Craftsman Lawn Mower (5 years old), I spent over $100 for parts and I tried to fix by myself, but it did not work. I sent it to Sear's Outlet and I was told they did not have part for it. I gave it up in the back yard for some time.
Yes I have a 1988 Toro Recycler that had a transmission that was hard to shift gears.I changed the dried up grease in the transmission and have been using it for the past 15 years.
Thanks for the great video, I'm halfway through the repair but had to stop due to freezing hands. I may end up just leaving the gears off and using it as a push mower, but still I'm going to press on for fun. I'm 4 hours in now, mainly due to a cheap pair of snap ring pliers.
Well I've complete my repair after about 12 hours of work, mower works perfectly. The drive shaft was pretty worn at the bushing and all I had was 150 grit sandpaper, but it seemed to work okay. The belt tension spring was a pain to take off and to put back on, but I finally figured out that it's easier to connect the spring before the belt, and then use a wonder bar and a 2x4 to extend the spring to install the belt. My clutch cable also seemed to be a problem, not disengaging the transmission on the bench, but installed with the engine running it now disengages, sometimes with a little extra tap on the bar. I ordered a replacement cable, hopefully it will have the mid-cable adjuster. I also had some trouble re-connecting the gear shift cable, finally figured out that you have to pull the cable through the housing and install from the right wheel side. Next time I think I can do this repair in about 4 hours, with a better pair of snap-ring pliers. Thanks again for the video.
Just as I said before,80 PSI is good for that engine because it has a decompression mechanism on the camshaft,my dads needs rebuilding because while it was 65 PSI when it was brand new it tests at about 43 PSI now, it's an 18 year old Honda GSV190 engine now. 8 hours of labour to fix that lawnmower is only worth it if it's either a commercial lawnmower or a domestic one which you're fixing up for yourself !
The value of the hours you put into fixing something varies. If the time spent causes you to lose the opportunity to put those same hours into a paying job then no it’s not worth it. But if you are between paying jobs or you have down time that you can’t bill to someone then yes, it’s absolutely worth putting those spare hours into something like this.
Thanks for the video - and as for the time cost - I would and am in the process of spending the time fixing mine - I think we throw too many things away before their time - who cares if a mower is 20 years old, as long as it can be made to work a while longer - why not - have you seen the junk they are making now?? AND the price just about doubled this year! I'm in for the old dependable stuff, even if it does suck up a perfectly good saturday - that's what podcasts are made for :p
no I wouldn't unless I'm bored and broke. Nice video. keep it up. I'm going to use it as a push mower because I have 3' thistle plants to mow down at the cabin.. Then we'll see.
Myself I had one that lost all it's fluid. I drilled a hole in it and filled it with grease. I used a screw for a plug and it seemed to work just fine after that. The guy still uses it and it still works.
Thanks for the tranny tip, I’ll have to remember that. I would have taken it apart, looks like torx security screws, bought a set of those years back, a life saver
Got one that has the same problem took off gears on both wheels push mower now mine is a 1998 still runs great and cuts great too .I may do mine now just to have something to do.thank you.
I have been having issue with wheels locking when trying to pull mower backwards. I have the HRX217hxa. I removed the pinion gear, key and spring, cleaned. I replaced all three parts and put the gear on so that it now rolls backwards properly, like new. This is pure logic as to which way the gear should be on. I notice that your gear position is just as mine is. However, now the mower will not engage the self propel, it tries but there is no pull. If I reverse the gear, put on backwards, the transmission grabs but now cannot roll backwards. This is blowing my mind. I would love your view on this. Thanks
sure, the ratcheting sound should be present when you push the mower forward. If it makes the clicking noise when pulling it backwards, it's because you have the gears facing backwards. either the bushing in the adjusters rusted to the shaft, or your transmission is locked up.
had the same problem with mine which is just like your. mine jsut needed the cable to be adjsuted . logic would seem then one would pull the cable to get it tighter, but the honda was reverse and need the cable push forward. after i figured that out its been perfect .
Very good video and narration. Two lube fittings or the like on each mechanism for engaging/disengaging the propulsion would have saved 7-1/2 hrs (about 500$)labor I wonder if i honda designed that portion of the mower?
Very interesting. And handy info who knows may come across one myself. And thanks to you I’ll have some idea about it. As for time spent on it. Just do a bit when I have spare time. Cheers. 👍🏼
I’ve got a Toro that is now 21 years old. It has grease fittings on rear wheels , runs and pulls fine. They don’t make them like that any longer I’m afraid..
I am glad you like your Toro... I have never seen a Toro that cuts grass very well... They seem to just run over the top of it and leave it all smashed down and not cut evenly...
Usually I don’t use a hammer on a shaft. The hammer is hardened metal, which can mushroom the end of the shaft. Typically I sand the end of the shaft and as much as close to the adjuster arm.
I don't know how to do this, so I would most likely pass on the project. However, I can see that it would be a good learning experience. I just wouldn't want it to be another unfinished project in the house. Apart from the transmission, what big problems could you run into trying to fix this?
I have this exact same mower as this one that I inherited from my dad. On the one I have the engine works perfectly but the transmission has died. Just a push mower now.
for that spring removal...i would try using a hook for removing radiator hoses. its a thick hook so its strong enough for something like that. they come in different configurations. theres one that like, bends back towards u that should be able to hook that spring pretty good
Brake spring pliers are made for this...! Thank you for a well made video & honest too- boo boos are half the job!. Do you recommend a light coat of grease on the gear teeth?
probably but compressed only works to get what you want clean, and transfer them to your eyes close and other parts don't need cleaning. it's also carb cleaner
I have fixed at least 8 of these Honda mowers with the exact same problem. It’s a design flaw, and even the factory recommended recall parts won’t fix them all properly. You have to remove the HOC plate bearing, shine up the drive shaft to a mirror finish and use graphite or synthetic lube (in some cases no lube because the bearing tolerances are too tight) and try to get a few more years out of them. Even the factory recall replacement HOC bearing is too tight in many cases, Honda really screwed up on this one. Just google “Honda mower won’t pull backwards” and you’ll see what a major screwup these mowers are. Not all, but the majority.
HELPFUL VIDEO! Just replaced trans(new $105 from ebay) Alittle tricky to get snap rings free. Make sure small axle drive gears are turning in correct direction, if not tranny won't engage wheels to drive forward. My Honda mower is 25 yrs old and still runs like a raped ape..
finally i found what i need i just pulled a mower out of the garbage the engine is torn apart and the one wheel of the FWD is locked i have another mower with a good engine but bad deck so im trying to get that wheel free so i can use my engine on it without the self propel so according to this video i can just pull the gear off the axle and I should be good because even with no belt its still stuck
Damn what a job. There needs to be an access panel on top of the mower deck That would save a lot of effort. I have one with the same problem I may just sell it as is.
Those screws on the bottom side of that transmission are removable or you can remove the bottom plate from the transmission and it doesn't have oil it has grease inside and it can be re lubricated. Why you said it was a sealed system I do not know since you could clearly see the screws in this video. I just watched two other videos on RUclips showing you how to remove the bottom of it and what to look for.
honda has several transmission styles, ones with metal plates, plastic ones, 1 speed, multiple speeds and even better the hyrodstatic,. On this one you don't want to take the bottom off of it, and I'm not going to tell you why because I'm sure you already know why.. but when you do, you'll understand
Very well explained video. Thanks for all the side notes. I have the same problem. I thought it was the clutch cable and changed it. Didn't solve it. Followed your video. Took most of the parts out. Snapring removal is PIA. I need to remove one screw to remove the shroud and take out the axle. What did you use to clean the axle and transmission? Looks beautiful.
Snap ring pliers with worn tips are basically torture devices. The tips should be cylindrical; once they're tapered, they can tax your patience beyond rational limits. New pliers would be a sound investment in your own mental health...
great video i just run into it trying to fix my lawnmower i bought the belt and install it it seems like it wants to go and it does but very little and watching your video i notice im missing the spring tensioner do you think that would be enough to make the wheels move how they suppose to now with it since i put a spring but not anywhere close as big as the one it has??
Another great video. I have a similar Honda mower that I just restored so I can sell it. QUESTION: Does the compression tester you posted work on small two cycle engines as well?
I’ve been doing this work for 53 years. I still make mistakes. No one is perfect. Great job. What a pain in the butt.
thank you Larry Jones
Yes! I have performed this procedure, and adjusted valve lash, and replaced all 4 wheels, on my Honda lawnmower that is now in its 22nd year of service. Absolutely worth the tedium, especially if you divide the hours of maintenance by the years of service. Also, I looked at new lawnmowers and not only were they very expensive, most of their parts are plastic now (mine is still an all metal version, even the transmission), and most have safety features that add unnecessary complexity to the design. I decided it was far preferable to perform heavy maintenance on mine instead of replacing it. I have only ever owned two lawn mowers in my adult life (the other was a Lawn Boy that lasted 9 years - I repalced it because I hated the two cycle engine - I could have fixed it but went to the Honda to have a four cycle upgrade in 1999). Great video - I needed it to see which direction to reinstall the drive gears, I forgot to take a picture as I disassembled them... Keep up the great work!
thank you Jay Tetzloff
This is definitely the Achilles heel for these mowers. I've had to rebuild mine 2 or 3 times in the last 5 years. Always the same issue with the spring loaded key seizing or the pinion gears wearing excessively (yours also looks well worn, so replace them if you also buy new rear wheels). One thing I would add is that the transmission isn't really sealed for life. A little Googling will help you find the capacity for it. It's normally just 10W30 engine oil. I changed the fluid in mine about a month ago for the first time with no adverse effects. You just need to have the mower upside down to fill it. Open it upside down as well and then use a pail to catch it as you turn the mower over so you can accurately measure how much came out. Compare that with the fluid spec amount you find online especially if it shows signs of leaking.
thank you for the information Darin Nederhoff.
Good afternoon I just fixed two lawn mowers and one had a broken selfpropel system and a broken carburetor unfortunately. I used this video to help me fix the mowers selfpropel. Thank you great video.
Nice and thank you or the comment, I appreciate it.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 😁👍
Excellent repair video! Being retired, I wound not hesitate to put in 8 hours on a complicated repair. Of course if was a customer's machine I would not justify the labor charges. For a spring removal tool I use a wire coat hanger that i reshape for added strength and comfort.
thank you cherokeefiddler
A lot of ideas and that ' 2:49 s fine, for the easy or for the tools needed for sc ess to som parts
Fabulous video showing the clear detail of all the washers and the order that they go on. Thank you.
thanks !
One of the best how-to videos I've seen for Honda Harmony II lawnmowers. Mine is an HRT216SDA purchased in May 1999. I need to replace the gear selector cable. Excellent shot composition, lighting, focus and voiceover quality. (Yes, I was a video producer before retiring) Thank you for the very helpful video!
thank you Hank Ebert.
Hello HG, as I’ve mentioned in some of your other videos I have spent well over eight hours on the few repairs that I have done for some of my friends the deal is you drop the mower off and you’ll get it back when I’m done if you expect it done tomorrow you’ve come to the wrong person. I am a very handy person, as I have a mechanical background by watching your videos I have learned a few things.
Good job.
well said, for some of mine, they don't seem to care they want it ASAP.
I’ll tell all you this , I have two close to the same models. And they both are in need of this exact procedure! It’s going to be a long couple days guys!!! But I do like both….. great video one of the very best Thanks you Sr.
no problem and thank you!
The good thing is that it is rebuildable to functioning like it’s designed to do and wasn’t that expensive doing it..and any time you can keep things out of the landfill, that’s worth a little bit of time in my eyes. Far too many things are ‘throw-away’ and for no good reason other than greed. Have a good one y’all!
thank you Steve Turk.
I would spend the time, but only because I do small engine repair as a hobby and not to make money from. I sell stuff I rebuild mostly for cost, just because I enjoy doing it. Thanks for your videos, I really enjoy them.
thank you Jeff Snodgrass.
This video saved my $$$. I sprayed WD40 on the rear axles where the riser handles are and I was good to go. I was able to pull the mower backwards and the sel-propel worked again. THANK YOU!
very nice work!
Finally, an honest guy who doesn't make others feel inept by saying " cleaned it up and works good, No big deal"....
I appreciate that. Thanks
Yes done it several times !! These Honda mowers are very very expensive new the reason being they are a dam good mower I bet that mower you have there will last another 10 years
the engine on the other hand will probably last another 30 years I have a Honda Izy thats over 30 years old and still going strong its now on its third deck Nice up load thankyou !!
no problem and thank you Allan Hughes.
Like most things, once you've done a repair for the first time subsequent repairs are much quicker and easier to do. Seeing the amount of rust it has I suspect the previous owner(s) left it outside. My 30 year old Honda mower has far less rust than that one and it has never required any repair. They are good durable mowers if looked after properly which includes regular preventative maintenance. That said, excellent explanation on how to do the repair. 👌
I think you're right about that and thanks
I notice this is a very common issue with self propelled mowers...and this is a great/helpful video. However, I think this looks more complicated than a typical homeowner can handle. I suspect that if it takes 8 hours for you - with your expertise - it would take way longer for me (even if I remember to put it back the way it was...video or not). I learned a lot from your videos. Can you please do a video on (seasonal?) preventative maintenance for a self propelled mower especially to ensure that the self-propelled feature continues to work? The whole world will thank you 🙂
you make a good point, however if your labor is cheap, then spend the time. IF on the other hand, you make 30-100 an hour at your job, pay someone else to fix it.
Hot tip for re-assembling these mowers: I've lost many of these bolts because they vibrated loose. Never use lube on the fasteners, use blue Locktite. The locktite will prevent loss of the fasteners and prevent corrosion also.
And for the do-it-yourselfers, never disassemble the mower in the grass. That's a guaranteed way to lose fasteners.
thanks
To attach or remove springs I use a T shaped tool with a hook at the end. It came with a trampoline I bought for my kid.
Nice. I'll have to see of I can find something like that.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I needed one for my mower, and I actually found it at the auto parts store. It’s used for drum brake springs.
The way I determine if it's worth my time is how much do the parts cost. I never include my time when working on anything. I'm retired and I like working on different things and helping friends family and neighbors.
I really love watching you work on the drive system. I haven't had the need to work on one yet.
Well said! Thank you David Frank.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video my mom has a similar lawnmower with transmission problems and this gives me a peek at what I'm into. Your question about the time spent personally I would because I have the time to put into it I'm 60 and kind of retired and mom is 80 and doesn't want to buy another lawnmower but I do understand what you mean about time if you have a shop to make a living or extra money or even a young family ware the time could be better spent.
Thank you for your video's Ted
thank you Just Ted, good luck on your mom's mower
I watched this video for one main reason, and that reason was I knew when you got done those rear wheels still were not going to turn backward. A little background. I've been repairing mowers for a living since 1999. I have replaced many a honda transmission through the years. I never really understood why the wheels would never turn backwards or were very hard to turn. In 2008 the shop I worked for sent me to Nashville for a 5-day honda school. One morning while waiting for the class to start the guy next to me was asking the guy next to him that very question, and he worked at a honda dealership. His answer was they were designed that way. They were designed to pivot as a zero-turn mower does. Made sense to me and believed it to this day.
The only reason I'm replying is that I find that hard to believe. If it was meant as a zero turn then all the self propels would have the front casters. And of those Front castered Honda mowers I've worked on, that one would also roll backwards. My own personal Honda's have all rolled backward with no problem.
darryl thompson ---The main reason the wheels do not pull backwards easily, is because of the terrible design Honda did on the back wheels... Notice, there is nothing, a shield, some axle seals, etc., to keep dirt, grass, moisture, etc., from getting in between that axle bushing and the axle itself.. So, once dirt, moisture, etc., gets in there, on both sides, rust forms, and then for sure, the axles will not turn backwards very well... I have found depending on how much you mow, how wet the grass is, and if you use water to clean off your mower, you can sometimes get more time using it normally or less time, before it starts to bind up again... It was and probably still is, a most awful, careless, design that Honda did to these mowers, and they all have this issue because of that... As much as I like this Honda, I end up not using it because I know it will start binding back there again, and I have to take all that stuff off the rear wheels, clean it all up, polish the axles again, lube a little, (not too much as this also attracts dirt and it sticks there), and I may be good for another season or two..
I will never, ever, buy another Honda mower again because of their ridiculously designed rear axle/adjuster mess.....
Excellent video! I would spend the time but I'm retired. My HSX 17 I bought new in 1986 is still going strong!
wow very nice!
Yes, I've spent more time than practicable on repairs for several reasons. One reason is that quitting before fixing means I've wasted the time spent thus far. Also. and maybe more important, is the satisfaction of success. Also the lesson learned will be of future benefit. I use a wire coat hanger to remove and replace springs. It' provides good leverage and is easy to maneuver. Early on I found springs were hard to grip and stretch with pliers, Chanelllocks, etc. I didn't have the benefit of a YT resource to simplify analysis and techniques.
oh that's a good idea about the hanger. I'll have to try that out.
I worked 10 hours today on mine...replaced the blades, belt, back tires, oil, air filter, and polished the axle. It wasn't allowing the mower to freely be pulled backwards. It's about 8 years old, but like new again! Only $40 in parts. Reasons: 1) save $, 2) like the challenge 3) can't see it filling up the landfill and junking up the planet, when it just takes some elbow grease.
I wish more people were like you
Nice tip regarding the magnet and keeping the parts in order.
thank you A Patterson
Harbor Freight sells several sizes of magnetic metal cups that are not expense. I have 4 as I stop projects usually for parts so just stick the cups on metal for a week or two until I get back working on interrupted projects.
Great video. My HRR216TDA had a "frozen" gear shift cable. It broke the shift lever housing when I forced it. Took me most of the day to take the trans out, clean up the dirt and rust and old grease, and figure out how to remove the cable. Virtually same procedure as you did, just not as smooth and well documented as you had done. Now waiting for parts. Your video will help me put it back together. Thanks.
wow, I like your determination! Thank you for your time too.
I think it was worth it to repair the mower !! These mowers, like I mentioned in the last post are close to $500 dollars!! I remember buying a new mtd mower that had a similar deck and everything, but was a push mower for around $95 dollars!! ( it was on sale from $125 dollars! ) it lasted for almost 20 years! Anyway, thanks for the great video!
wow, you really take good care of your stuff!
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Thanks, I couldn't afford a new mower, so, like you, I would fix up one that a neighbor or someone would leave by the curb ! I did, however buy the mid mower brand new! Only mowers that don't hold up are snapper brand, they're heavy and engines don't hold up !
thank you B. Powell
This for sure a week-end Job. 8 hours seems long, but you took your time and was learning in the process. It doesn't seem anyone was doing yearly maintenance to the mower. But in the end, don't you feel proud on what you just achieved? This one is an older Honda. Yes, the new ones cost 1000.00 but my understanding, Honda is going all in on battery powered mowers starting in 2024.
yes you are correct 8 hours is a long time
Thanks a lot for this information I have a 215 Masters that is dragging real hard going backwards and even putting strain on the transmission so it was very considerate of you to lift this video for all the rest of us. Thanks again
Glad to help
I’m going have to spend all this time since I wasn’t told that this was broken when buying it used $400 Canadian :(
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND POSTING
No problem and thank you too
Thank you for the video. During the summer and raining season, I would not do any lawn mower repair because I have to cut the grass once per week for two houses.
that makes sense.
If u learned ANYTHING the time was well worth it. Do u have any videos dissecting one of these plastic transmissions? I would dig seeing it! Thanks!😎😎✌
thanks, and no I don't have a "dedicated" video on the topic, but it'd be a good idea for one
Thank you for making this video. To answer your question yes I would spend eight hours to fix my mower because to replace it with a new mower would cost me over $500. I have a Honda push mower which no longer engages the self propel. Simply adjusting the cable did not do the trick so I will be taking it apart checking everything and cleaning it like you showed in the video. I have had mine five or six years and definitely hope to get another five or so out of it. Do you have a favorite reliable source for parts online?
I would use ereplacementparts dot com, put the first part of the model number in the search field, like "hhr216" then look at the last numbers and match it up with comes on the screen, xvaa.. etc.
I know this video is 3 months old, but was at home depot this week and noticed that the Honda mowers are close to $500.00 !! It would be worth it to repair your mower !!
you are absolutely right about that.
If they are $500, that is the cheaper model....
Fantastic Video and great explanation. This is the only video that explains in details about how gear selector cable and self propelled cable works. I didnoot realized all this time that when i start the engine, the pulley in that transmission rotates as well, but the power gets transferred to wheel when i pull the self propelled cable.. just to let you know i dismantle engine and rebuild automotive cars, shame that I didnot know how this works.
thank you and at least you know now.
This video was a lifesaver thanks man, I looked for this video for 3 hours again thanks.
Glad it helped
You spent 8hrs on this but also did a lot more to the mower then just fix the issue. Probably didn't need to do anymore than free up the adjusters. Did the other things really need to be done? It's always tough to know that answer. This is where we rely on the experience that is gained from working on something for 8hrs and learning. Excellent video!! Thanks for sharing.
possibly, however I felt as though it needed to be done and the experience was rather nice, Thanks I appreciate your comment.
You can also slide a small rope on the hook if the spring, double it and pull the rope. I found this to be a great way to remove springs.
what kind of rope do you use?
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I like to use a small diameter parachute cord.
@@littledavieb that's a good idea. thanks David B
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE you’re welcome. I really enjoy the videos you put out. Keep up the good work!
@@littledavieb I will.
BIG job. Lotta moving pieces. Nice job. No doubt it would be cheaper to replace here in CT.
Thank you Phil Del Giudice.
I bought a HRR216K5 with smart drive, I believe the transmission worn out, I tested it by engaging the lever, then rotate the engine, the input pulley of the transmission always rotates, the wheel want to move but once I try to force the wheel from moving, the output shaft wont turn, did some research, people mentioned the worn out brass cone, but have no idea how to fix it other than getting a new transmission.
sorry to hear that
It's good video to watch and learn my John Deer self propeller lawnmower still running for 28 years and never done anything to it. every summer done and throw it in the shed only thing its need oil changed one before the summer.
wow that's pretty amazing.
Excellent video. My drive stopped yesterday... Taking a look today...
thanks and hope you get it working again
Yes I have spent 8 hours or more on a mower just because I like to fix them and have nothing else to do, that is IF they are fixable. After fixing them I sell them for any money I put into it and maybe a few bucks more. I do it all the time. Love fixing mowers, weed trimmers and chain saws. Good video BTY.
nice, glad to see other people like me.
Fantastic video thanks for taking the time to demonstrate a nightmare repair.
Glad to help
I would try not to but like you I probably have out of curiosity. This is a great detailed video. The Honda self propelled system is overly complicated in my opinion.
I believe you are right How ever at they last. I've seen some toro and troy bilt from and rear drive systems that break internally
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I have had several Hondas with broken or frozen self propelled system. Yes the Troybilt and Toros break too but they are easier to remove IMO and I usually have a spare axle/ tranny around.
HG I was able to fix the rear wheels without removing the gear. Cleaned the wheels and the dirt and old grease from the bolt and those two washers Lubed lubed n lubed. Then put it all back. Rolling backwards and forwards
Thank you.
Nice work!
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE do u have a clip on replacing the kill switch on a Craftsman 2012 7.5 190 cc starts but won’t turn off. Thank you
The more complicated the assembly, the longer the diagnosis. It doesn't matter what the brand is.. But in reality.. I like the little challenge.. That's why my 1991 Snapper is still a working mower in my collection.
correct and good choice
I just got a free Harmony 215. Manufactured between '88 and '94. It's got a lot wrong with the self-propel system. The engine starts in first pull and the blade engages flawlessly, so I'm going to spend what I have to and keep this relic mowing.
it's a shame you aren't able to get the self propel fixed.
My Briggs and Stratton mower is over 20 years old, it still runs great
nice, what kind of maintenance do you do to yours?
Excellent video. Fixed mine and the one belonging to the neighbor across the street.
nice work and thank you Robert Phillips
I appreciate this video as I got a free Honda mower with a sketchy transmission with the problems you described. I plan to do it as it seems like a very nice mower and I am cheap. I would just divide the time up into small chunks.
yes that works out too, and good luck with it
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE It all came apart pretty easy. I noticed just needed some gentle cleaning of the bearing that the axle goes in. The cable that controls the speed, was the main problem, as once I got it apart, I noticed it was stuck between gears, and shifting it did nothing as it was seized up. Again thanks for this, it made it easy to follow.
They wanted 100 for belt replacement im I to it for about 3 hours so far great video dude
thank you D M
I had a mower last 17 years without an oil change or air filter. It did get blades. Best $280 ever.
Now I have a Honda engined Victa mower. It gets serviced.
wow very nice.
Very late reply here, but yes I have spent many hours on lawn mowers. But since it's a hobby for me, and I usually give them away to people in need, Well, you get the idea. In fact I just took possession of a mower, with a Briggs engine that has points and condenser. I'm looking forward to that challenge...
wow, that mower is from the early 80's then?
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Yes, the date code is 1980.
I take a length of paracord. Loop it around the spring. Then I can easily pull it with both hands. Won’t slip off like pliers either.
I have some paracord so I'm definitely going to try it out. Thank you Rob Stone.
I just got mower like this one and she said it needed a cable , welp i so far spent 4hrs befriending it today ( drain oil gas take underside apart to learn that the clutch cable isnt broke it just maybe all stretch out and not getting pulled back far enough to engage gearbox , what a choir so far tho im learning on these and this honda motors last longtime so im gonna get it all working for next season. Hoping tmrw when i get fluids back in it , the clutch cable with engage trans and ill be good to go , Video helps to see everything were as i had a mirror up in there to see how that clutch lever works without dismantling as. You have ,
good luck with it, these are certainly worth the effort in my book
Welp i can tell the engagement lever is working tho its not turning axel in either of the 3 gears , so im wondering if i just need to tighten up gear shifter cable , thanx for reply
no problem and good luck with it.
Those Honda mowers are great Mowers I like them usually they start on the first pull
yes they have been very good to me, that's why I like them.
Excellent video, tons of information, but that's a lot of work for me and taking it to the shop might be 200+ is better off to just put 200$ more to buy a new one and call it a day. My Lawn mower it's from 2016, it gave me a good run.
I undrestand
In reference to removing the tension spring with the vise grips another way to remove springs is by a piece of " mule tape pulling line " tied to the 1st coil of the spring NOT the hook end and then with the mower secured you can pull the mule tape line to release the spring just be sure you tide the line to spring coil so it won't come loose when pulling it . I've used this method on many springs on commercial zero turns , residential riders , etc. and you can repeat in order to reconnect the springs . Be safe !
thanks for the tip
I'd guess that about 99% of the general public have never heard of Muletape nor would they know anyone to aquire a small length of it from.
I have a spool of 1800 lb Muletape and I always give some to friends because of its many uses.
My mower did not reverse and the self propelled was not working at all, after looking and assessing my only problem with the self propelled was the tensioner cable, I readjusted the nut and spin the adjuster and this fix the problem immediately the reverse got fix and the self propelled is stronger and faster.👍🏼
wow nice work!
Holy shit, I was thinking about fixing my mower myself until I saw this 1000 piece puzzle.
yes this job was not fun at all.
Doing a good job .
Cleaning and fixing. Takes time
you got that right
Well worth fixing.. new value added.. for Honda I would fix it... The problem was lack of maintenance...
yes an extreme lack of maintenance but I hate to say it, if it wasn't for that, I wouldn't be working on it.
For my third Craftsman Lawn Mower (5 years old), I spent over $100 for parts and I tried to fix by myself, but it did not work. I sent it to Sear's Outlet and I was told they did not have part for it. I gave it up in the back yard for some time.
would you mind telling me what it was and wasn't doing? Oh the service centers don't want to fix your stuff, they want you to buy a new one.
Yes I have a 1988 Toro Recycler that had a transmission that was hard to shift gears.I changed the dried up grease in the transmission and have been using it for the past 15 years.
very nice work.
Great video! This is the main reason you see these cheap on offer up. 👍👍they r worth fixing.
thank you Gregory Pierce Sr.
Thanks for the great video, I'm halfway through the repair but had to stop due to freezing hands. I may end up just leaving the gears off and using it as a push mower, but still I'm going to press on for fun. I'm 4 hours in now, mainly due to a cheap pair of snap ring pliers.
I completely understand, nothing wrong with a push mower.
Well I've complete my repair after about 12 hours of work, mower works perfectly. The drive shaft was pretty worn at the bushing and all I had was 150 grit sandpaper, but it seemed to work okay. The belt tension spring was a pain to take off and to put back on, but I finally figured out that it's easier to connect the spring before the belt, and then use a wonder bar and a 2x4 to extend the spring to install the belt. My clutch cable also seemed to be a problem, not disengaging the transmission on the bench, but installed with the engine running it now disengages, sometimes with a little extra tap on the bar. I ordered a replacement cable, hopefully it will have the mid-cable adjuster. I also had some trouble re-connecting the gear shift cable, finally figured out that you have to pull the cable through the housing and install from the right wheel side. Next time I think I can do this repair in about 4 hours, with a better pair of snap-ring pliers. Thanks again for the video.
@@bleelaw - I found Channel Lock brand pliers to work great.. I bought the small set and the regular size set and snap rings were no problems again...
Just as I said before,80 PSI is good for that engine because it has a decompression mechanism on the camshaft,my dads needs rebuilding because while it was 65 PSI when it was brand new it tests at about 43 PSI now, it's an 18 year old Honda GSV190 engine now.
8 hours of labour to fix that lawnmower is only worth it if it's either a commercial lawnmower or a domestic one which you're fixing up for yourself !
very well said Russell Booth
The value of the hours you put into fixing something varies. If the time spent causes you to lose the opportunity to put those same hours into a paying job then no it’s not worth it. But if you are between paying jobs or you have down time that you can’t bill to someone then yes, it’s absolutely worth putting those spare hours into something like this.
@@johnfisher747 you are absolutely right about that
Thanks for the video - and as for the time cost - I would and am in the process of spending the time fixing mine - I think we throw too many things away before their time - who cares if a mower is 20 years old, as long as it can be made to work a while longer - why not - have you seen the junk they are making now?? AND the price just about doubled this year! I'm in for the old dependable stuff, even if it does suck up a perfectly good saturday - that's what podcasts are made for :p
well said!
I've often spent to much time fixing an old mower because I enjoy the thrill of victory! Besides, I'm a cheap skate.
me too.
I find that before I dismantle or attempt to repair , it is useful to take a few before photos to record how things go back together...useful
very good tip!
no I wouldn't unless I'm bored and broke. Nice video. keep it up. I'm going to use it as a push mower because I have 3' thistle plants to mow down at the cabin.. Then we'll see.
I will thank you!
Myself I had one that lost all it's fluid. I drilled a hole in it and filled it with grease. I used a screw for a plug and it seemed to work just fine after that. The guy still uses it and it still works.
nice work.
Thanks for the tranny tip, I’ll have to remember that. I would have taken it apart, looks like torx security screws, bought a set of those years back, a life saver
Got one that has the same problem took off gears on both wheels push mower now mine is a 1998 still runs great and cuts great too .I may do mine now just to have something to do.thank you.
Right on thank you Ted Mangold.
I have been having issue with wheels locking when trying to pull mower backwards. I have the HRX217hxa. I removed the pinion gear, key and spring, cleaned. I replaced all three parts and put the gear on so that it now rolls backwards properly, like new. This is pure logic as to which way the gear should be on. I notice that your gear position is just as mine is. However, now the mower will not engage the self propel, it tries but there is no pull. If I reverse the gear, put on backwards, the transmission grabs but now cannot roll backwards. This is blowing my mind. I would love your view on this. Thanks
sure, the ratcheting sound should be present when you push the mower forward. If it makes the clicking noise when pulling it backwards, it's because you have the gears facing backwards. either the bushing in the adjusters rusted to the shaft, or your transmission is locked up.
I don't know if i'd spend that long on a mower. Things are tight so I guess if I couldn't buy another mower I would have to Thank you for the video
I understand where you're coming from
Too complex for me but props for a great vid!
yes it was very complex and unfortunately it can put off a lot of people
Simple cable adjustment like you recommended and I have the wheels spinning again!
hey nice work!
had the same problem with mine which is just like your. mine jsut needed the cable to be adjsuted . logic would seem then one would pull the cable to get it tighter, but the honda was reverse and need the cable push forward. after i figured that out its been perfect .
Nice decution
This thing works. Here’s a small pile I collected after a single pass over a 600sq.ft area
thanks!
Very good video and narration. Two lube fittings or the like on each mechanism for engaging/disengaging the propulsion would have saved 7-1/2 hrs (about 500$)labor
I wonder if i honda designed that portion of the mower?
I have to agree with you on that, certainly seems like it
Well, very well, presented video...most valuable info thanks for taking the time to help others
Glad it was helpful!
Very interesting. And handy info who knows may come across one myself. And thanks to you I’ll have some idea about it. As for time spent on it. Just do a bit when I have spare time. Cheers. 👍🏼
I appreciate your time here!
I’ve got a Toro that is now 21 years old. It has grease fittings on rear wheels , runs and pulls fine. They don’t make them like that any longer I’m afraid..
you are absolutely right about that.
I am glad you like your Toro... I have never seen a Toro that cuts grass very well... They seem to just run over the top of it and leave it all smashed down and not cut evenly...
Usually I don’t use a hammer on a shaft. The hammer is hardened metal, which can mushroom the end of the shaft. Typically I sand the end of the shaft and as much as close to the adjuster arm.
nice technique
Great repair job done mate. The videoing was really good too. Cheers 🇦🇺
Thank you Tyrone Clarke
I don't know how to do this, so I would most likely pass on the project. However, I can see that it would be a good learning experience. I just wouldn't want it to be another unfinished project in the house.
Apart from the transmission, what big problems could you run into trying to fix this?
it's understandable and the biggest one is breaking or loosing a Snap ring. The spring is also really tough to put back on.
I am certainly glad that you get right to the issue, and do not talk endlessly.
thanks
I have this exact same mower as this one that I inherited from my dad. On the one I have the engine works perfectly but the transmission has died. Just a push mower now.
sorry to hear that
for that spring removal...i would try using a hook for removing radiator hoses. its a thick hook so its strong enough for something like that. they come in different configurations. theres one that like, bends back towards u that should be able to hook that spring pretty good
thank you Papi4l2 for the tip.
Brake spring pliers are made for this...!
Thank you for a well made video & honest too- boo boos are half the job!. Do you recommend a light coat of grease on the gear teeth?
Great video, nice detail, great camera work and editing. Seems you need to invest in compressed air instead of using WD40 to clean everything though.
probably but compressed only works to get what you want clean, and transfer them to your eyes close and other parts don't need cleaning. it's also carb cleaner
Best repair video ever
thanks I appreciate that
I have fixed at least 8 of these Honda mowers with the exact same problem. It’s a design flaw, and even the factory recommended recall parts won’t fix them all properly. You have to remove the HOC plate bearing, shine up the drive shaft to a mirror finish and use graphite or synthetic lube (in some cases no lube because the bearing tolerances are too tight) and try to get a few more years out of them. Even the factory recall replacement HOC bearing is too tight in many cases, Honda really screwed up on this one. Just google “Honda mower won’t pull backwards” and you’ll see what a major screwup these mowers are. Not all, but the majority.
that was very good information I appreciate you sharing that.
HELPFUL VIDEO! Just replaced trans(new $105 from ebay) Alittle tricky to get snap rings free. Make sure small axle drive gears are turning in correct direction, if not tranny won't engage wheels to drive forward. My Honda mower is 25 yrs old and still runs like a raped ape..
thank you WFO holeshot for the tips.
finally i found what i need i just pulled a mower out of the garbage the engine is torn apart and the one wheel of the FWD is locked i have another mower with a good engine but bad deck so im trying to get that wheel free so i can use my engine on it without the self propel so according to this video i can just pull the gear off the axle and I should be good because even with no belt its still stuck
good luck to you on that project, sounds like you've considered all your options.
Damn what a job. There needs to be an access panel on top of the mower deck That would save a lot of effort. I have one with the same problem I may just sell it as is.
I know right!
Those screws on the bottom side of that transmission are removable or you can remove the bottom plate from the transmission and it doesn't have oil it has grease inside and it can be re lubricated. Why you said it was a sealed system I do not know since you could clearly see the screws in this video. I just watched two other videos on RUclips showing you how to remove the bottom of it and what to look for.
honda has several transmission styles, ones with metal plates, plastic ones, 1 speed, multiple speeds and even better the hyrodstatic,. On this one you don't want to take the bottom off of it, and I'm not going to tell you why because I'm sure you already know why.. but when you do, you'll understand
Very well explained video. Thanks for all the side notes. I have the same problem. I thought it was the clutch cable and changed it. Didn't solve it. Followed your video. Took most of the parts out. Snapring removal is PIA. I need to remove one screw to remove the shroud and take out the axle. What did you use to clean the axle and transmission? Looks beautiful.
If I recall, I used, sand paper and brake cleaner, for the axle. The trans I use old gasoline.
Snap ring pliers with worn tips are basically torture devices. The tips should be cylindrical; once they're tapered, they can tax your patience beyond rational limits. New pliers would be a sound investment in your own mental health...
@@rbarr775 - The Channel Lock snap ring pliers I have came with a lot of extra tips, so that was a big plus...
great video i just run into it trying to fix my lawnmower i bought the belt and install it it seems like it wants to go and it does but very little and watching your video i notice im missing the spring tensioner do you think that would be enough to make the wheels move how they suppose to now with it since i put a spring but not anywhere close as big as the one it has??
yes the spring is essential, to putting enough friction on the belt and the pulleys.
Another great video. I have a similar Honda mower that I just restored so I can sell it. QUESTION: Does the compression tester you posted work on small two cycle engines as well?
yes it does, I use the same one for all my equipment, from 21 cc engines to truck engines.