its the drive belt being worn out. if there is just a little bit of tension on the belt the wheels will not roll backward. replace the belt and readjust the the cable by tightening the nut until the mower begins to crawl forward on its on. then back the nut up 5 full turns. presto
@@clownfishcanjuggle on the transmission cable halfway down along the side of the handle. This nut is used to shorten or lengthen the cable. Use 2 10mm wrenches to hold one end and turn the other. Once in correct position you tighten the small one back down on it to lock in position
Yeah, I’ve seen all the negative comments. I guess you can’t please every keyboard warrior out there. I’m glad to hear the video was a help to you. Thanks for watching.
with all the hype how wonderful Honda lawnmowers are this problem exists on ALL honda self propelled lawnmowers and the fix is quite involved. A 500 DOLLAR LAWNMOWER!!! C.R.A.P !
Guys everyone of these Honda self propelled mowers has this backwards problem. Buy another brand of mower. Honda has had this problem for 20 years or more. It’s time to fix the defect.
“If your Honda mower doesn't roll backwards I will show a few methods to repair this issue in this video.“ You showed nothing except how to pull the transmission (which I’m sure was never broken) and replace it with a rebuilt one. Least of all did you show a “few methods” that fix the problem. The actual cause for the pullback seizing was never addressed.
Your comment is hilarious. First you say that I showed nothing, then you say "Least of all did you show a “few methods” that fix the problem." so what is it. Then you say that you are "sure" the transmission was never broken. How are you so sure??? Not sure what you are tying to accomplish with your hilarious comment but it was an abysmal failure, because it accomplished nothing, but thanks for watching.
Well he showed how to replace the transmission, which you are correct, had nothing to do with the problem. The transmission does nothing for the wheels turning backwards, its 100% in the gear, spring, and key assembly...those get caked full of dirt and cause the wheels to not release to allow them to turn backwards...the transmission only provides forward movement, and if the transmission is still working propelling the mower forward, the transmission is still good. There isn't a neutral or reverse in the transmission, the only thing that allows the wheels to move backwards is that gear, spring and key assembly....if that key and spring cannot compress you get locked up wheels.
@@wildbill23c No, the bushing on the axle both sides, is exposed to everything and dirt, etc., moisture, gets in there and all those things cause the bushing and axle to not turn freely anymore. So you have to take the bushings off, clean them inside, sand down the axle smooth again, put something like anti-seize in there, put the bushing back on, and hope this will last longer than 1 season... The transmission either works or it does not work... If it does not work, of course, it will not pull backwards...
I’ve had mine 8 years and I’ve cleaned the gear mechanism once or twice. I’m ready to get an electric mower. My Ego weedeater is awesome. I’ll sell the Honda and use some of the money for an electric Ego.
That sounds like a solid plan, I have not been a fan of this mower since I have owned it. It runs great, but the engineering behind the drive is horrible. Thanks for watching.
I bought a RYOBI electric mower last year and it is wonderful to mow with. I still have the Honda that runs perfectly but know backing up with it sucks!
Best video on RUclips to resolve this issue. I have to say it was more time consuming than I thought. Breaking down and reassembling would have been a total nightmare for this weekend warrior. Glad I found your video to help guide me through the process. Thank you!
What exactly was wrong in the defective transmission, what failed? I was really hoping you'd open the bad one up and show us... Anyway, I'll sure as heck NEVER buy a power drive Honda that's for sure.....
Gears were messed up inside. This is probably a worse case but I figured I’d go through the whole tear down/reassembly process including other tips that may possibly help someone. Thanks for watching.
I was thinking about it because my buddy has one he bought in early 2018 after hurricane Harvey flooded him and it's never been unboxed,, it's a coffee table in his garage / mancave,,, lol. It's been a great coffee table !!
You didn’t fix anything you put in a different transmission. So why was your other transmission not letting your wheels spin? That’s 10 solid minutes of my life. I’m not getting back.
I actually fixed a Honda mower that did not roll backwards because the transmission was no longer any good, it was worn out, broken, not working, trash. Funny how you say you will not get a solid 10 minutes of your life back but then spend more time to make a comment, but hey thanks for checking in. I’m happy to have helped.
Well done. I am in the process of changing out the transmission on my neighbor's HRR series mower. It's about 5 years old. While she was mowing it stopped propelling forward and the wheels locked up and it won't roll backwards. The cable was fine and the belt had about the same amount of slack as my mower (I have almost the exact mower). Because of how it failed, I guessed it most likely was the transmission. I had to take the plastic shroud off to get the transmission out... much smaller holes where the axle goes through. The snap rings have been a total pain. I had to run to Advance and buy another pair of snap ring pliers because the holes are so small. The new smaller pliers still didn't fit in the holes of the snap ring. I had to file the new pliers down. Agh. For sure the transmission is bad. It is seized up and won't turn. Without your video, it would be a much harder job. I don't understand a few of the not so nice critics who have commented. They likely don't have any videos posted. You did a fantastic job. I know you spent a lot of time making it. I did a lot of research before I bought my mower. I won't be buying another Honda. The wheels wore out in just 5 years. I suspect I will be replacing the transmission in mine soon too.
My HRR216 started doing this today and I bought it right after Labor Day in 2019. So, it's barely used.... I'm taking it into a honda repair shop and having them fix it under warranty. You just shouldn't have any kind of issue like this on a mower that's less 1 year old and hasn't completed 1 season.
I bought mine late last year and they say it's not covered by the recall. My serial # is literally newer than the one's on the list. Tried to charge me $250 so I said I'd figure it out myself. Was quite the chore but I managed it. I'm pretty pissed at Honda right now.
Thank you for posting. I found the layout of rear wheel component stack most helpful during reassembly. It feels like a brand new mower after 4-1/2 seasons of cutting. In my case the thick carbon bushings machined a proud burr around the shaft which effectively pinched the axle causing rear wheel drag. I used a bench grinder and wheel to clean the shaft. I also filled the transaxle gearbox with fresh 5W-30 synthetic. Book calls for 10W-30 filled to 0.3" - 0.5" below the splitline. I recommend purchase and install a new belt if doing all this work. It makes a big difference in how the mower takes off with a slight touch of the smart drive.
@@funbro1 Thank your for the video, funbro1. May I ask what was done to correct the problem? I'm not understanding what the actual fix was. Was there a part that needed replacement, or some adjustment that was made, etc? Your disassembly/reassembly will be very helpful. Much appreciated!
@@russgoos4628 The problem is that the shaft gets rusty and binds up in the bushings on either side. The fix is cleaning the shaft ends where they go through the bushings using a couple of grades of sandpaper. The shaft ends should be polished up nicely so the bushings slide on and freely rotate.
Bob....you took things apart, cleaned things and put all back and mower was able to roll back. Great,,,,however, what was the fix? what was the problem? am i missing something?
Wow. So short answer is throw the mower away. ….or spend a day replacing the transmission.. Great video for wrench turners, but it would really help to start off by saying that it is “ a very big problem to fix, and many, many steps”
I guess I could have started off by saying I would never buy one of these ever again, which is true, but then who would watch that? I actually ended up buying a very nice Toro lawnmower. I still have this one and it runs great but it’s not as nice as the Toro in my opinion, thanks for checking in.
Bob, I watched several videos trying to figure out this and other things. I bought an old HRR216 and bought enough replacement parts to double the price. But I've enjoyed the refurbishing process and know I can now fix anything on my nearly-new mower. (It is a wonderful mower.) By far, yours was the best video I found. I truly thank you for making and publishing this video. If you're ever in town, I'll buy you a cup of coffee and a happy meal.
Seriously dude, when in your video did you mention the fix was replacing the transmission? You didn’t fix anything you just replace a part. Update: I called Honda, they claim there is nothing wrong with these transmissions. He mentioned that there are bushings that require maintenance. So I removed the wheels, snap rings, and bushings, cleaned, lubercated with MotorKote and grease. Adjusted the rear wheels as recommended (lockup and loosen 8 turns) by Honda. This solved all my issues with pullback and I think it’s better then new. I’m guessing that perhaps these were dry from the factory. Anyhow don’t forget the wheels have bearings and need oil as well. I suggest if you own this mower to go ahead and do this.... takes about 20 minutes.
I’m not sure if you are asking a question or just making a comment based on what I’m reading. Either way it works now so it is fixed. Thanks for watching.
He fixed the mower, bro. Lots of parts coming off and going back on in a particular order. This video was a lifesaver for me. I would never had gotten all these parts back on in the right order.
I am having the same issue with my machine (wheels locking up) when rolling backward. Did Honda tell you over the phone about the adjustment to the rear wheels (lockup and loosen 8 turns) or is it something that can be downloaded from their website? Thanks, in advance, for your input.
Had they used a stainless axle shaft, it would have prevented any issues. I have been up to my ears in fixing these mowers, all with the same exact problem. The sad part is, they start rusting as soon as they are replaced, so a year or two later, same issue all over again. Honda mowers are JUNK now.
@@andybub45 They used to use ball bearings years ago. They switched to metal bushings then plastic ones. This is the problem. They also went from a shaft drive transmission to a belt one. The first belt drive was good. I have one. At the same time they switched to plastic bushings they changed the transmission too and made it worse. I've had a 1989 honda, a 2010 and two family members with 2015+ models. Both the 2015s have the issue. I'd go toro if I needed a new mower.
Interesting, the long video how to disassemble the mower tranny and assemble it back without explaining what was wrong and what fixed it :-) But, google search is to help. This is a well known problem with Honda mowers. In fact, they even issued Service Bulletin #107 which explains the problem and the fix. You need to sand and smooth your axle. Also, you need to replace these plastic parts which seize the tranny. Better to order new ones. Anyway, just my 2 cents.
Interesting, the long comment on the video that many have used to disassemble, repair, and reassemble their mower. But if you watch again you will notice several fixes were mentioned and the fix for this one ended up being the transmission. Not that that is the fix for everyone but it happened to be for this one. Anyway, thanks for watching.
This will happen constantly. It's the LAST Honda mower I will own. On my third now, but none are self propelled or roll backwards after one season. This is too much work to do every couple months on a new mower!!!
I have a hrr216 mower that is hard to pull back and after it runs for awhile the wheels totally lock up. I have changed both wheel bushings with height adjusters (so that I would get new seals also) .That didn't work so since I noticed the shaft had some groves and pits that I could not polish out I installed a brand new transmission since Honda says it's the only way I can get a shaft for this model. That didn't work. And btw adjustment to the cable and a new belt replacement have been made to no avail. This time I'm changing the drive pulley that hasn't come in yet and we'll see how that goes. The belt rotates around that pulley when pulling back...maybe this is it. I do no one thing....this mower pulled back just fine when I bought it new four years ago. Oh Ya ..funbro 1....no grease...grease is a no no ...it collects dirt of all kinds. Just clean and dry. Also the spring that connects to the trans and/or the drive cable could be stretched out and not allowing the trans to spring back to a position that allows the belt to slip through the pulley correctly. Once I install the new pulley I'll post whether or not that solved the problem. If not the spring will be next.
Good video. Honda had a recall on this, not published. I had to dig deep in the web to find it. Took it to dealer under warranty and they supposedly changed the shaft. It still pulled relatively hard. Now it’s skidding the wheels in reverse like this video. The only good thing about the Honda is the mulching, will never buy another one.
I found the “hidden recall” as well and supposedly the dealer replaced the shaft as well. Mine still pulls hard and locks up backwards. I also will never buy another Honda, even though they supposedly fixed the issue on new models.
Wow, that's some job! And great camerawork. You showed how to remove the height adjuster which is just what I wanted, cos one doesn't work. I couldn't see the bolts inside cos of all the crud. THANK YOU!
I had the same issue.Used as recommended 50/50 mix of acetone and automatic transmission fluid.Pulled up the rubber gaskets on each side and put in liquid in and let it sit a few hours.I had to do this a second time a month later.It pulls much better than before. Not sure if this is the final fix.I hesitate taking this apart to sand the excel and have something go wrong.If it happens again I will try taking it apart in the winter months.
Thanks for the detailed video, really helps with the assembly sequence. Wish I had researched this mower a little more before buying one, I can promise that I will NEVER buy a Honda mower again! Should’ve bought the Toro SR4 😢
I have to agree. I’ve had a Toro Personal Pace that was 24 years old and worked perfectly. I gave it away and bought a Honda for my new home. Never Again! Defective carburetor right out of the box, and now this! I’m going to fix it... sell it... and buy a Toro
I agree. Honda had a recall on this, not published. I had to dig deep in the web to find it. Took it to dealer under warranty and they supposedly changed the shaft. It still pulled relatively hard. Now it’s skidding the wheels in reverse like this video. The only good thing about the Honda is the mulching, will never buy another one.
I had a Toro Personal Pace that was 24 years old and worked perfectly. I gave it away and bought a Honda for my new home. Never Again! I like Honda products generally. As a matter of fact, I worked at a Honda Power-sports dealership for 10 years and found the brand to be quite reliable. I have always had Honda motorcycles, and my HS520 snowblower ROCKS and never quits. My HRR lawnmower is an over engineered piece of crap (IMO). Defective carburetor right out of the box, and now this! I’m going to fix it... sell it... and buy another Toro!
This worked for me. I was able to sand the shaft without removing the transmission. There is just enough side movement to clean it.. I reassembled with anti seize grease. Hopefully it lasts and doesn’t need to be done again.
I've replaced bushings, bearings, gears, spacers and washers till I'm blue. So I finally figured out what I needed to do in order to get this problem fixed........SPRAY PISS OUT OF THE TWO WHEELS, SPACERS, GEARS AND SUCH THAT CAN BE REACHED BY LAYING THE MOWER ON IT'S SIDE. No tools necessary!
I just sprayed a penetrating oil on the axle shaft where the rear wheels contact it , & it now rolls backwards. I do this every time after I mow, so far it's working.Probably would be good to spray before mowing too?
That's all it takes to keep them freewheeling, but usually once they lock up and won't spin backwards at all you have to take the wheels and gear assembly off and clean everything up...replacing the transmission has absolutely nothing to do with the actual problem though.
@@wildbill23c In his case, he said the transmission stopped working, so he had to do this much to get it out and replace it... I agree that the normal problem is dirt, grass, moisture, etc., gets in between the bushings on the axle and this makes it really harder to pull backwards... An absolute terrible design flaw that Honda let happen and they do not even care...
So how did you fix the problem? It looked like you just took it apart & then put it back together with the same parts. Update on my Honda, I had the same problem it would not roll backwards at all & all I did to fix it was I took both back wheel's off & took some WD-40 & soak it down, sprayed it real heavy where the axle goes into the bearing, let it sit for about an hour & now it rolls backwards like new.
Well shit. I'm not looking forward to this. I ordered a new belt thinking if I'm doing this, I might as well change that too. Now I'm like can I just buy a new mower, but even cheap mowers are stupid expensive now.
Nice video but me doing this job is above my pay grade. I never did a jigsaw puzzle so theres no way i can fix my honda wheels not moving forward or backwards.
So what if I’ve changed the transmission with a new one and it still does the same thing? At first, after replacing it worked good but a short time later, it will not roll back. Could I have put the washers in the wrong sequence? It pulls great forward but just won’t pull back!
My Honda lawn mower used to have the same problem. I believe there are many possible causes of this problem: (1) The control cable that engages the transmission may come loose that causes the transmission is still slightly engaged (to move forward) when it is supposed to be released, and it needs to be tightened up. (2) The attachment point where the control cable is attached to the transmission is on top of the transmission housing; debris may collect there; debris prevents the control cable from fully disengaging the transmission; drill a big hole at the back of the mower and spray jet of water to remove the debris. (3) The half moon key inside the wheel assembly may get stuck because of too much debris inside and that locks the wheel in forward motion; that area needs to be cleaned. (4) This one I have never tried: The surface on the shaft of the transmission is rust and sticks to a bushing and creates too much friction; remove the rust is supposed to fix this problem; I have not tried this myself and I don't quite understand the logic. As for me, I tried all the first 3 methods with various level of success. But eventually the problem always came back after a short period. Had a small engine mechanic to fix it, and no luck. Finally I fixed the problem by doing exactly what you have done - I replaced the whole transmission. This has been 4 years or so and the problem has not returned yet. If the problem comes back, I will try the method #4 that I mentioned above.
Man.....I thought Honda mowers were supposed to be the top of the line and the way to go. Have had mine for three years and have treated it right....oil changes, etc. Rear wheels started locking up when trying to roll it backwards last week. I cannot believe that the fix for this is to completely disassemble the rear end to polish and clean the rear axle to alleviate this problem. Just an absolute horrible design for a $400+ mower. 😡
@@funbro1 ....the Honda motor is what makes them good running. I'm not debating that. But the rear wheel lock up is obviously a faulty design issue. Especially given the fact that the entire rear end needs to be disassembled to fix it. The rear wheels should not be locking up due to the axle needing to be smoothed out. That's crap.
Your video probably saved me hundreds. Where do I send the cheque.? Lol. One suggestion: when removing the transmission spring, maybe a long 12" wide blade screwdriver to remount the inside top of that spring? I inserted the screwdriver up into the spring and landed on the u-shaped connector then just pushed it up and twisted it on the receiving hole. Thanks again. my unit was the GCV-180. 21"
Same issue for me. No more Honda mowers in my future. I reverted back to my old Troy-bilt that the Honda replaced by adding new front wheels, blade and tightening the bolts under the air filter to stop a small oil leak. I'm going to remove self-propelled transmission, belt and other parts on the Honda and just make it a push mower as a spare. My yards only 10k sq ft of grass, so no big deal to push it. I could go through all of the steps that the video shows, but it's just going to happen again in the future, because it's a design issue.
I just did this. What a nightmare! Great video though. I had to beat my axel out with a hammer. It was seized to the shaft. Anyone know where I can get new bushings?
I'm unsure where the problem was. All the parts were removed, and then put back on again. Sounds like this is a constant problem from my research. I think I'll just have to live with the wheel locking up.
great video. I thank God that there are people that are mechanically inclined to take their off time and create videos like this one. Thank you from Wyoming....
Mine was doing the same thing. The fix was to take out the plastic bushing sand the axle shaft smooth on each wheel, lube the bushings and reassemble. The axle gets scored up from dirt I guess. Sand with 100 grit first then 400, makes the axle smooth again. The transmission does not need to come out. And you only need to take one side of the big snap rings off. The axle slides enough to get the other bushing out. The big ass plastic belt cover needs to come out, along with the bag/mulch door. It took me a couple hours to do mainly because I didn’t know what all needed to be removed to access the big snap ring to remove the wheel adjusters to get at the bushings. Hopefully this will last a 3 or 4 years before it’s time to relube.
very sorry to say I have been looking at this for 2+ years and was unsure something simple as grease in the bushings would cure the issue. THRILLED to say, I finally did it. AND IT WORKS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
In this case it was the transmission (universal joint). Not to say that is always the problem but the video may help with disassembly. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for this video. Helped me immensely in taking the mower apart and re-assembling it. While I was in mid-surgery, I dropped a bolt and it fell behind the plastic baffle (mounted under the mower). I removed the baffle by taking out 6 mounting bolts. Easy, actually. Found that by removing the baffle, it would have made the entire process easier.
Man I will never buy another Honda mower. I had a Toro for many years and never had this problem. I am having this problem but to have to go through all this is BS! I've only had mine for a couple years and the deck is rusting through, now it won't back up. What a POS!
Don’t how is your mower off. I just did that to mine a couple of days ago and now the back wheels are locked. I took K 50 which is like WD-40 and sprayed it all around the wheels without taking anything off and it broke loose and is able to be pulled backwards now. Use your leaf blower to clean off your mower and then wipe it down with a rag. Do not blast it with a hose. That’s when my trouble started.
"Honda mower will not roll backwards" is what is wrong with it. In the video I show several way this can be fixed up to and including replacing the transmission. Please re-watch the video. Hope this helps explain things to you . Thanks for checking in.
Excellent video. Just finished doing mine and the rear wheels unlocked and my smart drive is back working again. However, now that she’s back together I’ve noticed I don’t have the clicking of the wheels when I roll it forward. Is this a big deal? I don’t want to do damage to it. Can anyone help me out? Thanks
If both whells are driving forward when you lift the back off ground then, free wheels when pulled back on the ground, it's OK. The grease in the whl. Drv. Gear quiets the clicking. If a wheel doesn't drive, half moon key and/or spring fell out.
Yeah, none of that works. I've had the back end of my machine apart twice and it never operates like when I took the machine out of the box. Not even close
Great video and thank u for adding the direct issue in the description of ur video! Could have watched 100 videos before getting to the one I needed. My Honda is doing the same thing. Thought it was the belt but just realized it won’t roll backwards when taking it out of my shed
My old 1983 Honda had a sealed belt drive system and after 40 years has NEVER had that problem and continues to function as it did on day one. My newer 2017 model is always jamming up. Took it in for warranty and the mech said all that needs to be done is clean the dead grass that bunches up under the plastic shroud.. When mine does that I clean out the dead grass that accumulated under the plastic cover and it is fixed until the grass builds up again. I have actually considered cutting that shroud right out but the cleaning process has worked so far.
ATG & I knew that Honda has this problem for decades. Buying a $550.00 dollars junk that the transmission is sealed. Most will trash it because the putting a transmission is very costly. Gears are defective inside which no one ever show nor rebuilt funbro1, did not repair the transmission. He replaced it. Let's hope he doesn't replace his car transmission when its slipping.
@@funbro1 Your exchanged video is good. Again, it is only good if one able to get a rebuilt & do it yourself. It's very time consuming to replace or exchange plus the belt & wheels. Because mower is worth less than $59. Best to save & buy new battery model if you have small yard or in townhome.
I wish I would have known that replacing the transmission was the fix. I would have done that while it was still under warranty. I'm still dragging mine backwards like a hound dog fighting all the way lol. Thanks
Sorry to hear that, You may not have a bad transmission. Sometimes sanding the axels smooth will help. That is an easier fix so try that first. Thanks for watching.
I fixed mine a while back, but it’s doing it again, very frustrating to have to drag it backwards or pick up the backend when pulling backwards. There should be a recall on it. If I were a cussing man….,?!’”@&$)
Its not. Simply taking the wheels off and cleaning the gear, keyway and spring assembly is all it takes. the transmission has absolutely nothing to do with the wheels turning backwards or not.
Bob, thanks for the video. Your viewers should note that the gears that drive the wheels are different on the left and on the right. Take note which is which when disassembling them. Where did you find/buy a remanufactured transmission?
What up.I had my Honda HRR216K10VKAA over 4 years now.Yes,it won't pull backwards.Sometimes it will and mostly it won't.I have replaced the plastic bushings,the plastic dust cap,took the little spring out and cleaned the hole,replaced the dust covers,pinion gear keeps wollering out the hole.Replaced pinion gears,replaced rear tires,the Belt pulley wore out and this is for the speed,replaced belt and pulley,sanded axle,didn't put any grease anywhere,will cause dirt build up.Carburetor quit working,couldn't rebuild,it was real clean,put a new one it and that fixed it.The speed cable is adjusted great.Pulls real fast.The plastic cover under lawn mover got a hole in it.replaced it.I have fixed everything but the issue with it locking up in reverse.So when I pull it back wards,I just lift it up.The little spring and the rachet key is made for pulling it backwards.That is why you have to put the pinion gear in a certain way.The worn part on the pinion gear always goes on the outside cause it lines up with the gears on the tires.I need new rear tires again,They are bald.This Honda is a money pit.The Transmission is not the problem.The problem is the design.One good thing is.I have a 85 Nissan 720 4x4 and the Honda mower uses the same spark plug as my exhaust side.Also uses the same oil.10W30.I have a bunch of extra parts but they wont fix it.I am waiting on some new little springs.A new Transmission is 68 bucks,but that is not the problem.Also have replaced the recoil starter.The rope would not wind back up.I will just keep lifting it up to pull backwards.
Very well done step by step video! A local mower mechanic of 30 plus years says he doesn't grease drive gears on self propelled mowers, as it attracts more dirt...etc. etc. I agree with you though, a LIGHT coating never hurts!
It seems to me whenever I grease it up, my Florida sand gets stuck to everything and messes things up quickly. I agree with your mechanic also. I always wondered what the right way was. Looks like whatever you prefer I guess.
What did you do to free up the wheels. All I saw was it wouldn’t roll back so you tore everything apart and put it back together there was no explanation as to why the rear wheels wouldn’t roll backwards.
I'm sorry, but were is the fix? All I saw was you gaining access to the transmission, then reassembling. Although a great video, I'm not quite sure what you did to fix the roll backwards issue? Did you replace the transmission?
I bought the hrg536 model a month ago, after only 2-3 uses the rear wheels are stuck when I am trying pull backwards. What should i do. I bought a new machine and the rear wheels sometimes are stuck when pull backwards, this is ridiculous.
I saw one of these on craigs list for $80 that had a rough reverse issue so I bought it but instead of disassembling I just kept spraying the axel bushings with PBlaster every time I used and gradually it loosened up over the weeks.
Putting a a rebuilt transmission was kind of a cheat here.
Cheat if you mist call it that but it works.
Thanks for watching.
How about show what’s broken
How about watch the video?
You never really said what caused the wheels locking up in reverse. Was it the transmission? You said you put in a rebuilt.
Transmission. Thanks for watching.
Dirty and no grease
its the drive belt being worn out. if there is just a little bit of tension on the belt the wheels will not roll backward. replace the belt and readjust the the cable by tightening the nut until the mower begins to crawl forward on its on. then back the nut up 5 full turns. presto
@@byronturnbow2189 what nut are you talking about that needs loosened
@@clownfishcanjuggle on the transmission cable halfway down along the side of the handle. This nut is used to shorten or lengthen the cable. Use 2 10mm wrenches to hold one end and turn the other. Once in correct position you tighten the small one back down on it to lock in position
There are negative comments in your video but for me, you did a fantastic job on how to change the transmission.
Yeah, I’ve seen all the negative comments. I guess you can’t please every keyboard warrior out there. I’m glad to hear the video was a help to you. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the video Bob. I appreciate how concisely you approached and demonstrated the procedure. The mystery is gone. I subscribed.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
with all the hype how wonderful Honda lawnmowers are this problem exists on ALL honda self propelled lawnmowers and the fix is quite involved. A 500 DOLLAR LAWNMOWER!!! C.R.A.P !
Agreed, thanks for watching.
I would advise not to grease the gears in the wheels. It’s not a sealed unit so it will gunk up with dirt and grass clippings in no time.
Ok, then I would not recommend that you grease them either. Thanks for watching.
Guys everyone of these Honda self propelled mowers has this backwards problem. Buy another brand of mower. Honda has had this problem for 20 years or more. It’s time to fix the defect.
I agree, never again.
Thanks for watching.
“If your Honda mower doesn't roll backwards I will show a few methods to repair this issue in this video.“
You showed nothing except how to pull the transmission (which I’m sure was never broken) and replace it with a rebuilt one. Least of all did you show a “few methods” that fix the problem. The actual cause for the pullback seizing was never addressed.
Your comment is hilarious. First you say that I showed nothing, then you say "Least of all did you show a “few methods” that fix the problem." so what is it. Then you say that you are "sure" the transmission was never broken. How are you so sure??? Not sure what you are tying to accomplish with your hilarious comment but it was an abysmal failure, because it accomplished nothing, but thanks for watching.
Well he showed how to replace the transmission, which you are correct, had nothing to do with the problem. The transmission does nothing for the wheels turning backwards, its 100% in the gear, spring, and key assembly...those get caked full of dirt and cause the wheels to not release to allow them to turn backwards...the transmission only provides forward movement, and if the transmission is still working propelling the mower forward, the transmission is still good. There isn't a neutral or reverse in the transmission, the only thing that allows the wheels to move backwards is that gear, spring and key assembly....if that key and spring cannot compress you get locked up wheels.
@@wildbill23c No, the bushing on the axle both sides, is exposed to everything and dirt, etc., moisture, gets in there and all those things cause the bushing and axle to not turn freely anymore. So you have to take the bushings off, clean them inside, sand down the axle smooth again, put something like anti-seize in there, put the bushing back on, and hope this will last longer than 1 season... The transmission either works or it does not work... If it does not work, of course, it will not pull backwards...
I keep waiting for the part where you throw the whole effing thing in the trash. Cuz that’s what I’m going to do. Thanks for saving me all that time.
That comes right after the video. Terrible design on this mower.
Thanks for watching.
I’ve had mine 8 years and I’ve cleaned the gear mechanism once or twice. I’m ready to get an electric mower. My Ego weedeater is awesome. I’ll sell the Honda and use some of the money for an electric Ego.
That sounds like a solid plan, I have not been a fan of this mower since I have owned it. It runs great, but the engineering behind the drive is horrible. Thanks for watching.
I bought a RYOBI electric mower last year and it is wonderful to mow with. I still have the Honda that runs perfectly but know backing up with it sucks!
Best video on RUclips to resolve this issue. I have to say it was more time consuming than I thought. Breaking down and reassembling would have been a total nightmare for this weekend warrior. Glad I found your video to help guide me through the process. Thank you!
Glad it helped! make sure to clean the axels as you put it back together, Many people have reported this as the problem. Thanks for watching.
@@funbro1 any suggestions on how to clean them? Sand paper?
And thanks for the video.
What exactly was wrong in the defective transmission, what failed?
I was really hoping you'd open the bad one up and show us...
Anyway, I'll sure as heck NEVER buy a power drive Honda that's for sure.....
Gears were messed up inside. This is probably a worse case but I figured I’d go through the whole tear down/reassembly process including other tips that may possibly help someone. Thanks for watching.
I was thinking about it because my buddy has one he bought in early 2018 after hurricane Harvey flooded him and it's never been unboxed,, it's a coffee table in his garage / mancave,,, lol.
It's been a great coffee table !!
You didn’t fix anything you put in a different transmission. So why was your other transmission not letting your wheels spin? That’s 10 solid minutes of my life. I’m not getting back.
I actually fixed a Honda mower that did not roll backwards because the transmission was no longer any good, it was worn out, broken, not working, trash. Funny how you say you will not get a solid 10 minutes of your life back but then spend more time to make a comment, but hey thanks for checking in. I’m happy to have helped.
Well done. I am in the process of changing out the transmission on my neighbor's HRR series mower. It's about 5 years old. While she was mowing it stopped propelling forward and the wheels locked up and it won't roll backwards. The cable was fine and the belt had about the same amount of slack as my mower (I have almost the exact mower). Because of how it failed, I guessed it most likely was the transmission.
I had to take the plastic shroud off to get the transmission out... much smaller holes where the axle goes through. The snap rings have been a total pain. I had to run to Advance and buy another pair of snap ring pliers because the holes are so small. The new smaller pliers still didn't fit in the holes of the snap ring. I had to file the new pliers down. Agh. For sure the transmission is bad. It is seized up and won't turn. Without your video, it would be a much harder job.
I don't understand a few of the not so nice critics who have commented. They likely don't have any videos posted. You did a fantastic job. I know you spent a lot of time making it.
I did a lot of research before I bought my mower. I won't be buying another Honda. The wheels wore out in just 5 years. I suspect I will be replacing the transmission in mine soon too.
I agree, I will not be buying a Honda mower ever again. I wish you the best on your repair. Thanks for watching.
My HRR216 started doing this today and I bought it right after Labor Day in 2019. So, it's barely used.... I'm taking it into a honda repair shop and having them fix it under warranty. You just shouldn't have any kind of issue like this on a mower that's less 1 year old and hasn't completed 1 season.
I agree. They should take care of you on that one. Thanks for watching.
I bought mine late last year and they say it's not covered by the recall. My serial # is literally newer than the one's on the list. Tried to charge me $250 so I said I'd figure it out myself. Was quite the chore but I managed it. I'm pretty pissed at Honda right now.
No more Honda for me either. They're supposed be so good, het I had a Craftsman that lasted 4 times longer than this POS, 2017 HRR216VKA.
Thank you for posting. I found the layout of rear wheel component stack most helpful during reassembly. It feels like a brand new mower after 4-1/2 seasons of cutting. In my case the thick carbon bushings machined a proud burr around the shaft which effectively pinched the axle causing rear wheel drag. I used a bench grinder and wheel to clean the shaft. I also filled the transaxle gearbox with fresh 5W-30 synthetic. Book calls for 10W-30 filled to 0.3" - 0.5" below the splitline. I recommend purchase and install a new belt if doing all this work. It makes a big difference in how the mower takes off with a slight touch of the smart drive.
Thanks for the tips and thanks for watching.
Your video is well done and informative !
I am curious , is the transmission rebuildable or it’s tossed for a new one ?
Why didn’t you show what you did to the shaft to fix the problem? That’s the most important part people are gonna be interested in.
I didn’t really do anything to the shaft. Thanks for watching.
So your video was about how to take apart the transmission and the remount it???
Right I was in the same boat. I thought he was going to show how to fix it not just swap it out.
@@funbro1 Thank your for the video, funbro1. May I ask what was done to correct the problem? I'm not understanding what the actual fix was. Was there a part that needed replacement, or some adjustment that was made, etc? Your disassembly/reassembly will be very helpful. Much appreciated!
@@russgoos4628 The problem is that the shaft gets rusty and binds up in the bushings on either side. The fix is cleaning the shaft ends where they go through the bushings using a couple of grades of sandpaper. The shaft ends should be polished up nicely so the bushings slide on and freely rotate.
Bob....you took things apart, cleaned things and put all back and mower was able to roll back. Great,,,,however, what was the fix? what was the problem? am
i missing something?
Yep, I think you are missing something.
Thanks for watching? Maybe watch again?
Wow. So short answer is throw the mower away. ….or spend a day replacing the transmission..
Great video for wrench turners, but it would really help to start off by saying that it is “ a very big problem to fix, and many, many steps”
I guess I could have started off by saying I would never buy one of these ever again, which is true, but then who would watch that? I actually ended up buying a very nice Toro lawnmower. I still have this one and it runs great but it’s not as nice as the Toro in my opinion, thanks for checking in.
my first honda lawnmower lasted 35 years, purchased a new one, what a P.O.S. won't roll back? never to purchase another.
I have heard many people disappointed with these mowers. Thanks for watching.
Bob, I watched several videos trying to figure out this and other things. I bought an old HRR216 and bought enough replacement parts to double the price. But I've enjoyed the refurbishing process and know I can now fix anything on my nearly-new mower. (It is a wonderful mower.)
By far, yours was the best video I found. I truly thank you for making and publishing this video. If you're ever in town, I'll buy you a cup of coffee and a happy meal.
Sounds like a plan, thanks for watching.
Did I miss something? Aside from taking it apart and then reassembling it, what did you actually do to solve the issue?
Yep, you must have missed it. In my case it needed the transmission rebuilt/replaced. Thanks for checking in
Seriously dude, when in your video did you mention the fix was replacing the transmission? You didn’t fix anything you just replace a part.
Update: I called Honda, they claim there is nothing wrong with these transmissions. He mentioned that there are bushings that require maintenance. So I removed the wheels, snap rings, and bushings, cleaned, lubercated with MotorKote and grease. Adjusted the rear wheels as recommended (lockup and loosen 8 turns) by Honda. This solved all my issues with pullback and I think it’s better then new. I’m guessing that perhaps these were dry from the factory. Anyhow don’t forget the wheels have bearings and need oil as well. I suggest if you own this mower to go ahead and do this.... takes about 20 minutes.
I’m not sure if you are asking a question or just making a comment based on what I’m reading. Either way it works now so it is fixed. Thanks for watching.
I had a hip replacement. The surgeons only replaced parts. Should I tell them they didn't fix anything? There's a smile in there Les.
He fixed the mower, bro. Lots of parts coming off and going back on in a particular order. This video was a lifesaver for me. I would never had gotten all these parts back on in the right order.
the solution was in cleaning up the axle where the bushings ride. Strangely, he spike to this but did not show it!
I am having the same issue with my machine (wheels locking up) when rolling backward. Did Honda tell you over the phone about the adjustment to the rear wheels (lockup and loosen 8 turns) or is it something that can be downloaded from their website? Thanks, in advance, for your input.
Great video!!! Thank you for the great detail of disassembly and reassembly. I wouldn't have been able to put it all back together without this video.
Thanks for watching.
I've had 4 Honda mowers, and ALL of them have suffered this same problem. Poor design.
Good mowers but I agree, poor design. Thanks for watching.
Had they used a stainless axle shaft, it would have prevented any issues. I have been up to my ears in fixing these mowers, all with the same exact problem. The sad part is, they start rusting as soon as they are replaced, so a year or two later, same issue all over again. Honda mowers are JUNK now.
@@scottfirman better yet, use ball bearings where the shaft goes through the height adjuster.
@@andybub45 They used to use ball bearings years ago. They switched to metal bushings then plastic ones. This is the problem. They also went from a shaft drive transmission to a belt one. The first belt drive was good. I have one. At the same time they switched to plastic bushings they changed the transmission too and made it worse. I've had a 1989 honda, a 2010 and two family members with 2015+ models. Both the 2015s have the issue. I'd go toro if I needed a new mower.
Interesting, the long video how to disassemble the mower tranny and assemble it back without explaining what was wrong and what fixed it :-) But, google search is to help. This is a well known problem with Honda mowers. In fact, they even issued Service Bulletin #107 which explains the problem and the fix. You need to sand and smooth your axle. Also, you need to replace these plastic parts which seize the tranny. Better to order new ones. Anyway, just my 2 cents.
Interesting, the long comment on the video that many have used to disassemble, repair, and reassemble their mower. But if you watch again you will notice several fixes were mentioned and the fix for this one ended up being the transmission. Not that that is the fix for everyone but it happened to be for this one. Anyway, thanks for watching.
This will happen constantly. It's the LAST Honda mower I will own. On my third now, but none are self propelled or roll backwards after one season. This is too much work to do every couple months on a new mower!!!
I agree, possible design flaw? Thanks for watching.
From experience Honda does not like to honor thier warranties on known defects they know they have.
I will never buy honda power equipment again
I have a hrr216 mower that is hard to pull back and after it runs for awhile the wheels totally lock up. I have changed both wheel bushings with height adjusters (so that I would get new seals also) .That didn't work so since I noticed the shaft had some groves and pits that I could not polish out I installed a brand new transmission since Honda says it's the only way I can get a shaft for this model. That didn't work. And btw adjustment to the cable and a new belt replacement have been made to no avail. This time I'm changing the drive pulley that hasn't come in yet and we'll see how that goes. The belt rotates around that pulley when pulling back...maybe this is it. I do no one thing....this mower pulled back just fine when I bought it new four years ago. Oh Ya ..funbro 1....no grease...grease is a no no ...it collects dirt of all kinds. Just clean and dry. Also the spring that connects to the trans and/or the drive cable could be stretched out and not allowing the trans to spring back to a position that allows the belt to slip through the pulley correctly. Once I install the new pulley I'll post whether or not that solved the problem. If not the spring will be next.
Ok I replaced the drive pulley and it still pulls back hard...checking spring tomorrow.
These mowers are notorious for this issue. I will not be getting another.
Thanks for watching.
Good video. Honda had a recall on this, not published. I had to dig deep in the web to find it. Took it to dealer under warranty and they supposedly changed the shaft. It still pulled relatively hard. Now it’s skidding the wheels in reverse like this video. The only good thing about the Honda is the mulching, will never buy another one.
Yeah I believe this is a poor design, many would agree. I will not be buying another.
Thanks for watching.
I found the “hidden recall” as well and supposedly the dealer replaced the shaft as well. Mine still pulls hard and locks up backwards. I also will never buy another Honda, even though they supposedly fixed the issue on new models.
HRR model "Hard Rolling Reverse" mower. Typical honda problem
Very true! Thanks for watching.
Great job, Your attention to detail sure helped me with reassembly. Now mine works good too.
Good to hear, glad the video was a help. Thanks for watching.
I have no prob tearing mechanical things apart but WD fixed mine.
Nice, glad that fixed it. Thanks for watching.
I would stay away from honda.
From experience Honda does not like to honor thier warranties on known defects they know they have
At this point I agree. Thanks for watching.
Wow, that's some job! And great camerawork. You showed how to remove the height adjuster which is just what I wanted, cos one doesn't work. I couldn't see the bolts inside cos of all the crud. THANK YOU!
Glad it helped! Thanks for watching.
I had the same issue.Used as recommended 50/50 mix of acetone and automatic transmission fluid.Pulled up the rubber gaskets on each side and put in liquid in and let it sit a few hours.I had to do this a second time a month later.It pulls much better than before. Not sure if this is the final fix.I hesitate taking this apart to sand the excel and have something go wrong.If it happens again I will try taking it apart in the winter months.
Thanks for the detailed video, really helps with the assembly sequence. Wish I had researched this mower a little more before buying one, I can promise that I will NEVER buy a Honda mower again! Should’ve bought the Toro SR4 😢
It definitely has some design issues. Thanks for watching.
I have to agree. I’ve had a Toro Personal Pace that was 24 years old and worked perfectly. I gave it away and bought a Honda for my new home. Never Again! Defective carburetor right out of the box, and now this! I’m going to fix it... sell it... and buy a Toro
I agree. Honda had a recall on this, not published. I had to dig deep in the web to find it. Took it to dealer under warranty and they supposedly changed the shaft. It still pulled relatively hard. Now it’s skidding the wheels in reverse like this video. The only good thing about the Honda is the mulching, will never buy another one.
I had a Toro Personal Pace that was 24 years old and worked perfectly. I gave it away and bought a Honda for my new home. Never Again! I like Honda products generally. As a matter of fact, I worked at a Honda Power-sports dealership for 10 years and found the brand to be quite reliable. I have always had Honda motorcycles, and my HS520 snowblower ROCKS and never quits. My HRR lawnmower is an over engineered piece of crap (IMO). Defective carburetor right out of the box, and now this! I’m going to fix it... sell it... and buy another Toro!
Sounds like a good plan. Thanks for watching.
This worked for me. I was able to sand the shaft without removing the transmission. There is just enough side movement to clean it.. I reassembled with anti seize grease. Hopefully it lasts and doesn’t need to be done again.
Good to hear, Let's hope it lasts.
Thanks for watching.
Wanted to see the old transmission & what the problem was, not just replacing with a rebuilt trans.
Sorry but it wasn't included in the video. Thanks for watching.
I've replaced bushings, bearings, gears, spacers and washers till I'm blue. So I finally figured out what I needed to do in order to get this problem fixed........SPRAY PISS OUT OF THE TWO WHEELS, SPACERS, GEARS AND SUCH THAT CAN BE REACHED BY LAYING THE MOWER ON IT'S SIDE. No tools necessary!
Sounds good, thanks for sharing.
I just sprayed a penetrating oil on the axle shaft where the rear wheels contact it , & it now rolls backwards. I do this every time after I mow, so far it's working.Probably would be good to spray before mowing too?
Thanks for the tip and Thanks for watching.
That's all it takes to keep them freewheeling, but usually once they lock up and won't spin backwards at all you have to take the wheels and gear assembly off and clean everything up...replacing the transmission has absolutely nothing to do with the actual problem though.
@@wildbill23c In his case, he said the transmission stopped working, so he had to do this much to get it out and replace it... I agree that the normal problem is dirt, grass, moisture, etc., gets in between the bushings on the axle and this makes it really harder to pull backwards... An absolute terrible design flaw that Honda let happen and they do not even care...
So how did you fix the problem?
It looked like you just took it apart & then put it back together with the same parts.
Update on my Honda, I had the same problem it would not roll backwards at all & all I did to fix it was I took both back wheel's off & took some WD-40 & soak it down, sprayed it real heavy where the axle goes into the bearing, let it sit for about an hour & now it rolls backwards like new.
Well shit. I'm not looking forward to this. I ordered a new belt thinking if I'm doing this, I might as well change that too. Now I'm like can I just buy a new mower, but even cheap mowers are stupid expensive now.
Nice video but me doing this job is above my pay grade. I never did a jigsaw puzzle so theres no way i can fix my honda wheels not moving forward or backwards.
So what if I’ve changed the transmission with a new one and it still does the same thing? At first, after replacing it worked good but a short time later, it will not roll back. Could I have put the washers in the wrong sequence? It pulls great forward but just won’t pull back!
Didn't have to go that far to fix roll back just forward drive problem most of the time.Roll back is shaft and bushing problem.
My Honda lawn mower used to have the same problem. I believe there are many possible causes of this problem: (1) The control cable that engages the transmission may come loose that causes the transmission is still slightly engaged (to move forward) when it is supposed to be released, and it needs to be tightened up. (2) The attachment point where the control cable is attached to the transmission is on top of the transmission housing; debris may collect there; debris prevents the control cable from fully disengaging the transmission; drill a big hole at the back of the mower and spray jet of water to remove the debris. (3) The half moon key inside the wheel assembly may get stuck because of too much debris inside and that locks the wheel in forward motion; that area needs to be cleaned. (4) This one I have never tried: The surface on the shaft of the transmission is rust and sticks to a bushing and creates too much friction; remove the rust is supposed to fix this problem; I have not tried this myself and I don't quite understand the logic. As for me, I tried all the first 3 methods with various level of success. But eventually the problem always came back after a short period. Had a small engine mechanic to fix it, and no luck. Finally I fixed the problem by doing exactly what you have done - I replaced the whole transmission. This has been 4 years or so and the problem has not returned yet. If the problem comes back, I will try the method #4 that I mentioned above.
Yes, there are many design flaws in this mower that could cause this issue. Thanks for watching.
The woodruff key was originally in upside down. It was reinstalled correctly, with the curved side in the slot toward the shaft.
Sure, Thanks for watching.
Man.....I thought Honda mowers were supposed to be the top of the line and the way to go. Have had mine for three years and have treated it right....oil changes, etc. Rear wheels started locking up when trying to roll it backwards last week. I cannot believe that the fix for this is to completely disassemble the rear end to polish and clean the rear axle to alleviate this problem. Just an absolute horrible design for a $400+ mower. 😡
They are good running mowers but over engineered IMHO. Thanks for watching.
@@funbro1 ....the Honda motor is what makes them good running. I'm not debating that. But the rear wheel lock up is obviously a faulty design issue. Especially given the fact that the entire rear end needs to be disassembled to fix it. The rear wheels should not be locking up due to the axle needing to be smoothed out. That's crap.
Agreed
Sorry, but that is the only way to get it to move backwards kind of easily...
Your video probably saved me hundreds. Where do I send the cheque.? Lol.
One suggestion: when removing the transmission spring, maybe a long 12" wide blade screwdriver to remount the inside top of that spring? I inserted the screwdriver up into the spring and landed on the u-shaped connector then just pushed it up and twisted it on the receiving hole.
Thanks again. my unit was the GCV-180. 21"
Glad it was a help to you, Thanks for watching.
Same issue for me. No more Honda mowers in my future. I reverted back to my old Troy-bilt that the Honda replaced by adding new front wheels, blade and tightening the bolts under the air filter to stop a small oil leak. I'm going to remove self-propelled transmission, belt and other parts on the Honda and just make it a push mower as a spare. My yards only 10k sq ft of grass, so no big deal to push it.
I could go through all of the steps that the video shows, but it's just going to happen again in the future, because it's a design issue.
Yeah, I’m not buying another.
Thanks for watching.
I just did this. What a nightmare! Great video though. I had to beat my axel out with a hammer. It was seized to the shaft. Anyone know where I can get new bushings?
Watched the 15 min video and still don't know why mower won't roll backwards WTH?
Try watching it again…with sound on this time.
So the fix was to replace the transmission with a rebuilt? Pretty pricey fix.
Bad design on this mower, the transmission helped on this one. Thanks for watching
I'm unsure where the problem was. All the parts were removed, and then put back on again. Sounds like this is a constant problem from my research. I think I'll just have to live with the wheel locking up.
Bad design is the problem, some people have said Honda made a fix for this issue. Thanks for watching.
Straight to the point Bob excellent video
Thanks for watching.
great video. I thank God that there are people that are mechanically inclined to take their off time and create videos like this one. Thank you from Wyoming....
Glad you found it useful, thanks for checking in.
Mine was doing the same thing. The fix was to take out the plastic bushing sand the axle shaft smooth on each wheel, lube the bushings and reassemble. The axle gets scored up from dirt I guess. Sand with 100 grit first then 400, makes the axle smooth again. The transmission does not need to come out. And you only need to take one side of the big snap rings off. The axle slides enough to get the other bushing out. The big ass plastic belt cover needs to come out, along with the bag/mulch door. It took me a couple hours to do mainly because I didn’t know what all needed to be removed to access the big snap ring to remove the wheel adjusters to get at the bushings. Hopefully this will last a 3 or 4 years before it’s time to relube.
Glad to hear that yours was not as involved as this one was. Thanks for watching.
Yes.. great for disassembly and reassembly. Not so great if you don't have a reconditioned or new gearbox laying around.
Doesn’t everyone have one laying around? (Sarcasm)
Thanks buddy thanks.
very sorry to say I have been looking at this for 2+ years and was unsure something simple as grease in the bushings would cure the issue. THRILLED to say, I finally did it. AND IT WORKS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Thanks for watching.
great video!!👍👍👍👍 but you need to grease the plastic bushing in the height adjuster the plastic wears out!👌👌👌👌
I’m a little worried the grease may attract dirt, maybe some graphite would do better.
Thanks for watching.
You did a good job but I’d rather push my mower off a cliff before doing all that!
Not a bad idea. I’m about ready to do that with mine, no more Honda mowers for me.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the detailed video. Did you mention what was the actual fix? Forgive me If I missed it. Cheers
In this case it was the transmission (universal joint). Not to say that is always the problem but the video may help with disassembly.
Thanks for watching.
@@funbro1 Ok. Thank you
Is this still an issue with the new Honda mowers? Mine is an older HR 216 and the rear wheels lock up most of the time. Pretty frustrating.
I’m not sure if the new ones still behave this way I’m not willing to try one.
Thanks for watching.
It would have been interesting to know if the problem was in the transmission or the wheel drive.
Transmission on this one, but that is not always the case. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for this video. Helped me immensely in taking the mower apart and re-assembling it. While I was in mid-surgery, I dropped a bolt and it fell behind the plastic baffle (mounted under the mower). I removed the baffle by taking out 6 mounting bolts. Easy, actually. Found that by removing the baffle, it would have made the entire process easier.
Glad it helped, Thanks for watching.
Did you check & lube axel bushings first?
Have to say thanks so much as this was very easy to follow...many thanks 😊
Man I will never buy another Honda mower. I had a Toro for many years and never had this problem. I am having this problem but to have to go through all this is BS! I've only had mine for a couple years and the deck is rusting through, now it won't back up. What a POS!
Never for me either.
Thanks for watching.
Don’t how is your mower off. I just did that to mine a couple of days ago and now the back wheels are locked. I took K 50 which is like WD-40 and sprayed it all around the wheels without taking anything off and it broke loose and is able to be pulled backwards now. Use your leaf blower to clean off your mower and then wipe it down with a rag. Do not blast it with a hose. That’s when my trouble started.
I would receive to make sure it is dry before storing it also.
Thanks for watching
On the wheel , the curve washer first, then the flat washer or the other way around ?
great video..straight and to the point..saved me easily a couple hundred dollars
Thanks for watching.
Didnt tell us what was wrong with it which is why i watched in first place.
"Honda mower will not roll backwards" is what is wrong with it. In the video I show several way this can be fixed up to and including replacing the transmission. Please re-watch the video. Hope this helps explain things to you . Thanks for checking in.
Is this for real? The video title should be, "How to take apart and reassemble a honda lawn mower. "
Yep it's real alright. Should have watched the whole thing. Thanks for checking in.
@@funbro1 those snap rings are something else. I bought 3 pairs to get them off. What brand pliers are you using?
When you adjust the cable you keep saying im adjusting to the loose or tighten position. Well...... which is it? You cant have it be both ways.
Loosen the drive by tightening the cable or tightening the drive by loosening the cable. See it works both ways.
Thanks for watching
heck, I'll just buy a different mower, this thing is more complicated than a rolex watch.
It is pretty complicated but far less expensive than a Rolex watch.
Thanks for watching
What a complete waste of time. That was 🤣 thanks helped alot. So basically you had someone else fix the gear box and you took the credit.
What a waste of time.🤣 so you basically comment for what reason? I replaced a broken part. That fixed the problem.
Thanks for watching.
SOOOOOO.....if it doesn't roll backwards it needs a new rebuilt transmission housing. What fails inside of it..? Is it serviceable..?
SOOOOOOO…. It’s probably serviceable, but I found it easier to just replace it. Thanks for watching.
@@funbro1 what was the approximate cost of said part of I may inquire. 😂😂
Excellent video. Just finished doing mine and the rear wheels unlocked and my smart drive is back working again. However, now that she’s back together I’ve noticed I don’t have the clicking of the wheels when I roll it forward. Is this a big deal? I don’t want to do damage to it. Can anyone help me out? Thanks
If both whells are driving forward when you lift the back off ground then, free wheels when pulled back on the ground, it's OK. The grease in the whl. Drv. Gear quiets the clicking. If a wheel doesn't drive, half moon key and/or spring fell out.
Correct. Thanks for watching.
@@pao4318 It is called a Woodruff Key...
Good video but mine ended up being the transmission…the axle would not spin easily with the trans
Removed.
Yeah, there are many issues with this design. Thanks for watching.
So what exactly was the problem? What part of everything you did actually fixed it?
Transmission
Yeah, none of that works. I've had the back end of my machine apart twice and it never operates like when I took the machine out of the box. Not even close
Worked for me and many others, sorry to hear it didn’t work for you. Thanks for watching.
Great video and thank u for adding the direct issue in the description of ur video! Could have watched 100 videos before getting to the one I needed. My Honda is doing the same thing. Thought it was the belt but just realized it won’t roll backwards when taking it out of my shed
Glad you were able to use the video.
Thanks for watching.
My old 1983 Honda had a sealed belt drive system and after 40 years has NEVER had that problem and continues to function as it did on day one. My newer 2017 model is always jamming up. Took it in for warranty and the mech said all that needs to be done is clean the dead grass that bunches up under the plastic shroud.. When mine does that I clean out the dead grass that accumulated under the plastic cover and it is fixed until the grass builds up again. I have actually considered cutting that shroud right out but the cleaning process has worked so far.
methodical and clear. Thanks!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the video. I just fixed mine. Works great. Thanks again.
Thanks for watching.
ATG & I knew that Honda has this problem for decades. Buying a $550.00 dollars junk that the transmission is sealed.
Most will trash it because the putting a transmission is very costly. Gears are defective inside which no one ever show nor rebuilt
funbro1, did not repair the transmission. He replaced it.
Let's hope he doesn't replace his car transmission when its slipping.
Better yet let’s hope no one reads your comment. Thanks for watching.
@@funbro1 Your exchanged video is good. Again, it is only good if one able to get a rebuilt & do it yourself.
It's very time consuming to replace or exchange plus the belt & wheels. Because mower is worth less than $59.
Best to save & buy new battery model if you have small yard or in townhome.
I wish I would have known that replacing the transmission was the fix. I would have done that while it was still under warranty. I'm still dragging mine backwards like a hound dog fighting all the way lol. Thanks
Sorry to hear that, You may not have a bad transmission. Sometimes sanding the axels smooth will help. That is an easier fix so try that first. Thanks for watching.
I fixed mine a while back, but it’s doing it again, very frustrating to have to drag it backwards or pick up the backend when pulling backwards. There should be a recall on it. If I were a cussing man….,?!’”@&$)
Its not. Simply taking the wheels off and cleaning the gear, keyway and spring assembly is all it takes. the transmission has absolutely nothing to do with the wheels turning backwards or not.
@@funbro1 Axles.....
Bob, thanks for the video. Your viewers should note that the gears that drive the wheels are different on the left and on the right. Take note which is which when disassembling them.
Where did you find/buy a remanufactured transmission?
That is correct. I got the transmission online after doing a search using the model number. Thanks for watching.
What up.I had my Honda HRR216K10VKAA over 4 years now.Yes,it won't pull backwards.Sometimes it will and mostly it won't.I have replaced the plastic bushings,the plastic dust cap,took the little spring out and cleaned the hole,replaced the dust covers,pinion gear keeps wollering out the hole.Replaced pinion gears,replaced rear tires,the Belt pulley wore out and this is for the speed,replaced belt and pulley,sanded axle,didn't put any grease anywhere,will cause dirt build up.Carburetor quit working,couldn't rebuild,it was real clean,put a new one it and that fixed it.The speed cable is adjusted great.Pulls real fast.The plastic cover under lawn mover got a hole in it.replaced it.I have fixed everything but the issue with it locking up in reverse.So when I pull it back wards,I just lift it up.The little spring and the rachet key is made for pulling it backwards.That is why you have to put the pinion gear in a certain way.The worn part on the pinion gear always goes on the outside cause it lines up with the gears on the tires.I need new rear tires again,They are bald.This Honda is a money pit.The Transmission is not the problem.The problem is the design.One good thing is.I have a 85 Nissan 720 4x4 and the Honda mower uses the same spark plug as my exhaust side.Also uses the same oil.10W30.I have a bunch of extra parts but they wont fix it.I am waiting on some new little springs.A new Transmission is 68 bucks,but that is not the problem.Also have replaced the recoil starter.The rope would not wind back up.I will just keep lifting it up to pull backwards.
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I have the same problem. Before I undertake this procedure, how do I determine if it's the wheel gears are the transmission itself?
Very well done step by step video! A local mower mechanic of 30 plus years says he doesn't grease drive gears on self propelled mowers, as it attracts more dirt...etc. etc. I agree with you though, a LIGHT coating never hurts!
Thanks for watching.
It seems to me whenever I grease it up, my Florida sand gets stuck to everything and messes things up quickly. I agree with your mechanic also. I always wondered what the right way was. Looks like whatever you prefer I guess.
What did you do to free up the wheels. All I saw was it wouldn’t roll back so you tore everything apart and put it back together there was no explanation as to why the rear wheels wouldn’t roll backwards.
He replied to one of these comments saying the transmission was replaced.
Replaced the transmission.
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I'm sorry, but were is the fix? All I saw was you gaining access to the transmission, then reassembling. Although a great video, I'm not quite sure what you did to fix the roll backwards issue? Did you replace the transmission?
Yep
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@@funbro1 - okay?
Okay??
I bought the hrg536 model a month ago, after only 2-3 uses the rear wheels are stuck when I am trying pull backwards. What should i do. I bought a new machine and the rear wheels sometimes are stuck when pull backwards, this is ridiculous.
Take it back, you will have problems with it forever.
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@@funbro1 It is out of the question that they will give me back the money, i cant returned. I think i wasted my money.
I’m afraid so. 😞
I saw one of these on craigs list for $80 that had a rough reverse issue so I bought it but instead of disassembling I just kept spraying the axel bushings with PBlaster every time I used and gradually it loosened up over the weeks.
Sounds like you have a fix.
Thanks for watching.
Awesome video! Very informative and easy to follow.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
At the end of the video, your front right wheel did not roll backwards. Back to the drawing board again 😁
The right front wheel has nothing to do with the transmission so no need to go back to the drawing board. Thanks for the comment.
@@funbro1 I know. I was being a sercastic jerk.